The worst thing about this is not that people who don't actually enjoy the hobby for what it is are changing it over some nonexistent bigotry, but the fact that people will pretend that there have been no changes and you're a bigoted villain for thinking there are.
Changes are relative in this hobby, you can grab books from the 80's and still play them just like back then, there's entire communities devoted to give you support for older systems and you have complete control of who you let play on your table and what happens on it; so complaining about "change" or other people is kind of dumb.
ntayrt
Its necessarily a social game unless you're Hikikomori solo. If the social and cultural environment is changed it requires conforming to those changes to participate or forming your own groups with different mores and folkways. Significant cultural capital has been invested in cultural shifting, this is undeniable regardless of your opinions on it.
Finding like-minded people is easier than ever, many here have some rose tinted glasses about the olden times, but the true That Guy stories are from that era, where you couldn't be choosie about who you played with so you were forced to bear with some dickhead week after week. Now if you tun a game online, you can even reclute people here and accept them or reject them after running a one shot to see how they play until you form your ideal group.
I have no idea what exactly your issue is besides some abstract idea of "someone I don't like will do something I don't like maybe"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>pretending to be dumb
Okay. You are, but not in the way you think.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell me your real non-hypothetical issue.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I could go to Wal-Mart and ask every other person if they'd like to play some tabletop with me and at the end of the day I'd up with a more interesting and less mentally ill group than I could ever get from head hunting online no matter how judiciously I gate kept and filtered. Add in the general degradation of people as a whole and it's never been harder to find competent - good players. Sure it's never been more convenient to just sit in your computer chair and advertise but increased convenience has come at the cost of a massive drop in group quality.
This is like arguing you shouldn't be upset that a sequel to a video game you enjoy is bad. The original is still there to replay so why are you mad that the new one is bad? Yes, you can still play older editions, but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't criticize the new stuff for being poor quality.
Is harder to make new content for a video game since you need competent moders. Making new content for an ttrpg is so fucking easy you can just make some tables and create infinite adventures with it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It kinda ignores the whole community aspect of it, the stories, the resources
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, there's entire communities build around OSR one click away, and having less people on the hobby wont make you have more community for games.
Critical Role and its consequences have been a disaster for nerd kind.
At least normies don't have staying power and lack of new popular media that have D&D references and the next edition of D&D looking like derivative shit with no shiny bells and whistles to hype the NPCs will hopefully lead to the casuals and culture warriors fucking off and D&D collapsing so more tables and explore other systems without having to take the normies through the D&D swamp first before trying other systems
Sure have all the popularity for yourself. I'm fucking tired of dealing with the least common denominator of expectations, i will just run whatever the fuck i want and i don't care if u will eventually run out of players, when that happens i'll just divert my time to painting and playing with my saxophone. No game is ALWAYS better than shit game.
>join a soccer team >a bunch of people show up >they want for everyone to be able to grab the ball >they complain that the ball to big >etc. etc. >in the end you are the asshole because you want to play a simple soccer instead of tennis
yes, but unironically, modern games with official rules made by companies who don't give a shit about the players have destroyed the changeable aspect of classic games
Historicals are never going to be more popular than they are now. It's not like people are going to go see a Napoleon movie and think "oh fuck, I need to get little toys to recreate those battles in silent miniature, but only after spending weeks buying, assembling, and painting them."
The impulse buy is gonna be some video game. Historical war games are really only for a niche group and always have been, and expecting a surge of popularity when the biggest fish in the tank dies is forgetting that whatever killed that big fish is likely gonna wipe out all the little fish.
No. My favorite game would still be near unheard of, but I wouldn't have to put up with anywhere as near as many enormous cunts and normalfags if yours was not popular.
Yes. There was even this whole thing where WoD was starting to grow rapidly and people were projecting that it was on a trajectory to outpace even D&D, but when TSR died it killed the entire industry's momentum and White Wolf went from the next big thing to having to fire most of its staff and fighting to stay alive within just a few months.
There probably were also people who imagined before TSR's collapse that the best thing that could happen for WoD is if D&D just disappeared and WoD'd be able to just gobble up the market and become the new king, but the reality ended up being quite the opposite.
It's interesting how that happens in a lot of games/media spaces.
It's especially common when an area of industry lacks strong competition.
The latter sounds a bit silly, because WW with WoD was quite cleanly competition in every sense to TSR with DnD. The problem was, it shouldn't have been. WoD isn't meant to be popular. It's goth and gay and edgy, it's meant for the outcasts and freaks to enjoy, not for normal people, it's pretty much it's whole appeal.
For THAT to be the only competition on the market vs DnD, it's no wonder the whole place came down.
Makes sense. Popularity is finite resource and contest for spotlight is a zero sum game.
Actually, I just hope the entire hobby becomes more obscure.
Amen
Of course, half of the complains is that people you dislike are enjoying something you only want for yourself and your secret club.
The worst thing about this is not that people who don't actually enjoy the hobby for what it is are changing it over some nonexistent bigotry, but the fact that people will pretend that there have been no changes and you're a bigoted villain for thinking there are.
Changes are relative in this hobby, you can grab books from the 80's and still play them just like back then, there's entire communities devoted to give you support for older systems and you have complete control of who you let play on your table and what happens on it; so complaining about "change" or other people is kind of dumb.
ntayrt
Its necessarily a social game unless you're Hikikomori solo. If the social and cultural environment is changed it requires conforming to those changes to participate or forming your own groups with different mores and folkways. Significant cultural capital has been invested in cultural shifting, this is undeniable regardless of your opinions on it.
Finding like-minded people is easier than ever, many here have some rose tinted glasses about the olden times, but the true That Guy stories are from that era, where you couldn't be choosie about who you played with so you were forced to bear with some dickhead week after week. Now if you tun a game online, you can even reclute people here and accept them or reject them after running a one shot to see how they play until you form your ideal group.
I have no idea what exactly your issue is besides some abstract idea of "someone I don't like will do something I don't like maybe"
>pretending to be dumb
Okay. You are, but not in the way you think.
Tell me your real non-hypothetical issue.
I could go to Wal-Mart and ask every other person if they'd like to play some tabletop with me and at the end of the day I'd up with a more interesting and less mentally ill group than I could ever get from head hunting online no matter how judiciously I gate kept and filtered. Add in the general degradation of people as a whole and it's never been harder to find competent - good players. Sure it's never been more convenient to just sit in your computer chair and advertise but increased convenience has come at the cost of a massive drop in group quality.
This is like arguing you shouldn't be upset that a sequel to a video game you enjoy is bad. The original is still there to replay so why are you mad that the new one is bad? Yes, you can still play older editions, but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't criticize the new stuff for being poor quality.
Is harder to make new content for a video game since you need competent moders. Making new content for an ttrpg is so fucking easy you can just make some tables and create infinite adventures with it.
It kinda ignores the whole community aspect of it, the stories, the resources
Anon, there's entire communities build around OSR one click away, and having less people on the hobby wont make you have more community for games.
>He fell for the "Popularity=quality" meme
Preach. There's a certain point of popularity where general quality starts to decrease and we are past that point.
>He fell for the "Popularity=poor quality" meme
That's not a meme.
Name one (1) popular RPG that's actually good.
most of them can be great if you're not a miserable Gankerfag who will never be happy
Heard good things about CoC
Critical Role and its consequences have been a disaster for nerd kind.
At least normies don't have staying power and lack of new popular media that have D&D references and the next edition of D&D looking like derivative shit with no shiny bells and whistles to hype the NPCs will hopefully lead to the casuals and culture warriors fucking off and D&D collapsing so more tables and explore other systems without having to take the normies through the D&D swamp first before trying other systems
>the next edition of D&D looking like derivative shit
so exactly like the last five editions, except worse every time?
I want to do horrible things to that orc girl. Like hold hands.
you sick fuck
Ha, you fool, my favourite game is already dead!
Sure have all the popularity for yourself. I'm fucking tired of dealing with the least common denominator of expectations, i will just run whatever the fuck i want and i don't care if u will eventually run out of players, when that happens i'll just divert my time to painting and playing with my saxophone. No game is ALWAYS better than shit game.
>join a soccer team
>a bunch of people show up
>they want for everyone to be able to grab the ball
>they complain that the ball to big
>etc. etc.
>in the end you are the asshole because you want to play a simple soccer instead of tennis
yes, but unironically, modern games with official rules made by companies who don't give a shit about the players have destroyed the changeable aspect of classic games
>literal skub comic is effective bait
lmao even
I genuinely couldn't care less about popularity, as I have a stable table when we all write our own stuff.
why does it need to be incredibly popular, just play it retard
Actually true for miniatures and card games because it's competitive multi-player based. You need people around you to physically play.
>playing card games with friends
Cool people.
>playing card games in competitive tournaments
Complete homosexuals.
This but unironically. 40k should die so historicals can be more popular
Historicals are never going to be more popular than they are now. It's not like people are going to go see a Napoleon movie and think "oh fuck, I need to get little toys to recreate those battles in silent miniature, but only after spending weeks buying, assembling, and painting them."
The impulse buy is gonna be some video game. Historical war games are really only for a niche group and always have been, and expecting a surge of popularity when the biggest fish in the tank dies is forgetting that whatever killed that big fish is likely gonna wipe out all the little fish.
No. My favorite game would still be near unheard of, but I wouldn't have to put up with anywhere as near as many enormous cunts and normalfags if yours was not popular.
Didn't this literally happen when TSR collapsed, and as it turned out, everyone's sales tanked?
Yes. There was even this whole thing where WoD was starting to grow rapidly and people were projecting that it was on a trajectory to outpace even D&D, but when TSR died it killed the entire industry's momentum and White Wolf went from the next big thing to having to fire most of its staff and fighting to stay alive within just a few months.
There probably were also people who imagined before TSR's collapse that the best thing that could happen for WoD is if D&D just disappeared and WoD'd be able to just gobble up the market and become the new king, but the reality ended up being quite the opposite.
D20 and Sword & Sorcery saved White Wolf's bacon iirc.
It's interesting how that happens in a lot of games/media spaces.
It's especially common when an area of industry lacks strong competition.
The latter sounds a bit silly, because WW with WoD was quite cleanly competition in every sense to TSR with DnD. The problem was, it shouldn't have been. WoD isn't meant to be popular. It's goth and gay and edgy, it's meant for the outcasts and freaks to enjoy, not for normal people, it's pretty much it's whole appeal.
For THAT to be the only competition on the market vs DnD, it's no wonder the whole place came down.