In ten years, Arch Linux will be the most popular gaming platform for games that aren't published by Microsoft.
You can thank Valve.
In ten years, Arch Linux will be the most popular gaming platform for games that aren't published by Microsoft.
You can thank Valve.
I don't need it to be popular. I just need it to work, and it already does.
>but multiplayer
I'd be fine with that shit primarily staying on Windows. Normie OS for normie games.
yuh i hope we get halo mcc this Steam Deck is tight yo frfr no cap shits bussin
>pretending to be mentally disabled with no discernible motive for such a ruse
based...?
This is why it's a good thing you can't play Dead by Daylight, Valorant, Halo, Fortnite and other zoomer garbage
I don't want them using Linux, they should keep using Winblows like the goyslop consumers they are
You shouldn't play FPS games without a mouse anyway. Including Halo.
You can play Halo MCC (and the original PC ports of 1 and 2) on Linux.
MCC runs on eck tho bru jus gotta move a file
most multiplayer games do work on Linux
it's just some popular ones that have fricked up anticheat
and even that will get better with time
It was real illuminating how few people play smite. Currently it isn't playable on steam deck, but a Google search shows a healing 4-5 users requesting it. It's the perfect device for smite and yet noone gives a shit.
Smite I played quite a bit back in the day, but they went hard on the "collection event skin" shit where you needed to buy like $300 worth of shit in order to get the new fancy skin or whatever the frick - I left as soon as it started getting like that. Its a pity because as a MOBA its one of the better ones and they started out with the "pay a flat rate, get all characters" thing and even legendary skins were cheap and relatively infrequent/unlockable through play. Then that changed and I can just imagine how shitty it is now years later
Pity if the anticheat prevents it from working on Linux though.
>Linux chuds literally filter out Chinese spyware by default
Uhh... I think that's based?
This. I just prefer Arch, I don't need everyone else using it, I use it and that's enough
Exactly this. Arch's AUR mogs everything else completely, the more users we have the higher a chance niche shit gets worked on, like Compiz 0.8 (the only way to do Compiz)
>Arch's AUR mogs everything else completely
it's just a worse way of distributing packages that are too prone to be tampered by malicious parties considering 90% of the neckbeards running arch and bragging about it can't even read code
that with none of the convenience of malware like deb packages or whatever
>says "normie"
>thinks he isn't one
>making his GUI a part of his personality
ugh frickin die dude
cope
Arch Linux + KDE is the ultimate gigachad combo, thank god Valve went with that instead of some awful meme shit like one of the corporate distros that NEETs pretending to have a job shill so much.
KDE got hacked, this really doesn't proof your point. Valve didn't male Linux better it made KDE linux into their brand.
Also friendly reminder that Proton is the reason games work, not the KDE. You spent money buying junk hardware that will die out because Valve will not support it forever, they did it with their VR an dwill do it with Steam Deck.
You mean the one that fail just like Steam Deck because it is doing the exact same thing.
>KDE got hacked
What are you talking about?
>You spent money buying junk hardware that will die out because Valve will not support it forever
Why would it die if Valve stops supporting it? That's not how PCs work, are you thinking of consoles?
He also seems to have missed Valve continuing to update the Steam Link device firmware long after the device itself was discontinued.
Old Steam Alienware: "We are useless". Valve doesn't always keep support forever.
>Old Steam Alienware: "We are useless". Valve doesn't always keep support forever.
But the old Steam Machines weren't made by Valve and they also aren't useless, they work just fine? What's wrong with them?
This guy try to play games in 2021: https://youtu.be/XY_I6RsEKnk?t=448
Here's that same guy also trying to play games on it in 2021 and succeeding: https://youtu.be/zPGezXfYHtg?t=802
What's not working, exactly?
>Try to play games
He doesn't try hard enough seeing as he's trying to launch windows games without proton
not gonna watch the video but
>he's trying to launch windows games without proton
hilarious if true
Right at the link anon gives he goes for a windows game, as such big picture says NOT AVAILABLE ON STEAMOS which is what you get when you don't go into settings and tick the box for steamplay/proton. One could argue the interface is old steam as I'm not 100% aware but there's no fricking way you can't get an up to date debian steam on there with the interface for proton. It's just some clueless windows only normie clicking PLAY and being told no
Steamos2 got updates thru 2019 despite being long fricking dead, they were probably in the single digits for users
I fear the day Gay Ben dies and whoever's left in charge decides to pull the plug on their Linux efforts and sell out.
I still remember the times before Valve stepped in and hired their own GPU driver developers to fix the driver shitshow, back when Nvidia was the only viable option for games on Linux.
Valve just happened to get in on things when the AMD driver situation was already improving. Not going to say that they weren't pivotal in funding the work, because they were, but it probably would have happened even without their involvement, and at this point if Valve exits it would slow things down for a little while, but it wouldn't stop things.
Kids forget Linux gaming has been progressing in fits and starts since the 90s. A lot of the people who are involved today are the same people who were involved back then, all that's really changed in some cases are who is signing the paychecks for critical projects like Mesa, SDL, and Wine.
I don't think Valve will change their position any time in the forseeable future, even if Gaben dies. Valve's ownership structure, and their interests in making money on local gaming will keep them from selling out.
Its like buying music may be 'obsolete' as a business because subscription music streaming services are the big thing now, but people still buy music and its still a big business. Just not as big as appealing to the lowest common denominator.
Why serve in hell when you can rule in heaven?
>but it probably would have happened even without their involvement
I'm not so sure about that. AMD might've managed to get their shit together, but I remember when Mesa in general was never supposed to have support for OpenGL past 3.0 in compatibility profile mode.
>Oh your OpenGL 4.6 application doesn't work with core profile? Just fix it yourself or complain about it to the developer.
But that's not how it works. Hell, some older Linux native games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided still list a Nvidia GPU as a hard requirement.
Thing is, even back then AMD's involvement was basically limited to releasing the specs, and then hiring a few of the developers that stepped up on Mesa.
I don't want to minimize Valve's contribution here because they did step up in a big way, and they were instrumental behind the scenes on making Vulkan happen. Who knows, maybe they were more involved than we realize in getting AMD to open up in the first place.
Its just hard not to see GNU/Linux as inevitable for gaming in the long term, because ultimately there's just not money in making operating systems anymore, and hasn't been since Microsoft killed the OS market in the 90s.
If Valve hadn't been involved things may not be where they are today, but they'd still likely be in a lot better shape than they were. Microsoft just can't help themselves but destroy the desktop because they need to make more money and desktop just can't bring in the cash to make their shareholders happy.
Linux has been progressing very slowly.
It wasn't until Valve got involved that it improved significantly.
I wonder if there are people at Valve who actually want to ruin this.
Obviously, everything related to Linux would be gone in a heartbeat if Valve were a publicly traded company. Microsoft would buy 51% and within five minutes there would be some kind of press release somehow spinning the discontinuation of Steam for Linux as being good for Gamers™.
"We can now focus on offering better services and games to talk gamers". maybe offer "free keys " for windows to users that has Linux usage so they aren't "left behind"
>I wonder if there are people at Valve who actually want to ruin this.
back during 2013-2016 when Valve was just working on CS:GO, the only reason that happened was that it brought in massive bonuses from selling the keys and skins.
despite the 'flat structure' when peer-review rolls out if one of the older staff decided to give you a poor review, your screwed. so they would basically force the entire staff to work on CSGO so they could rake in loads of bonuses. Gabe was too busy playing Dota 2 to care so it went on like that for a while until they all left for higher positions at other companies and gabe pushed everyone into doing the VR stuff. luckily valve has a proper structure now and it seems most of the stock is owned by gabe, rest is owned by valve employees. but hopefully gabe owns atleast 51% and leaves it to a trust
God I love Linux
great look, I take it's KDE?
>troony color scheme
Unironically have a nice day
In ten years, india will be the superpower INDIA SUPERPOWER IN TEN YEARS!!!!!
Not til you guys start using the 10 billion charity toilets we installed
Friendly reminder that you could always play many non-native games on Linux years and years ago, way before Valve touched anything. It's cringe as frick to unironically believe that video games on Linux wouldn't be possible without Valve.
Wine wasn't idiotproof enough for most people unfortunately. That said we should still be thankful for proton cutting out the work
the last 3 years of proton development and DXVK make wine's entire lifetime look like a joke
DXVK wasn't started by Valve you fricking moron, they came in later and funded the developer
That doesn't contradict anything that he wrote.
>"the last 3 years of proton development and DXVK make wine's entire lifetime look like a joke"
Still true. He didn't even say Valve in that post.
proton is almost worthless
wine+winetricks could play everything you wanted three years ago, and still works better than proton in most cases
there's nothing to "develop" when the bulk of work is already done through wine's own concepts and third party apps do a better job than valve's spyware at things
You could, but Valve is the only reason wine is even close to being truly "plug and play".
In the past you had to do shit like add values to wine registry or try your luck with overriding certain libraries just to make sure your game runs, and if it run it was 40% of Windows' performance.
I was actually considering switching to Linux for a very long time, but I didn't have the heart of doing all that shit for every game I wanted to play. I switched to Linux at 2019, because by then things have massively improved. I wonder why...
You still have to do that but Proton steals peoples work and changes it for you. No credit, no way to not accept their data grabbing software, worst thing to happen since Microsoft started to steal peoples data.
Valve didn't do anything but pay people to work on a copycat Wine version of gaming. Valve ruin the meaning of linux gaming.
Proton is open source and can work without Steam, the frick you're on about?
Steam Deck without Proton is just worthless linux OS that doesn't work for games. Read the context, why do you reply without reading the context.
Steam is spyware, Arch Linux goal is Versatility. Valve is a control freak that makes you buy their product within their own ecosystem. They are not the same.
Read the User Agreement, a contract you sign that says they can use your information on many of their service like fourms to collect and give you ads on your computer because you install Steam. You went backwards on fighting ads not forwards, you are in the same position as Google data collecting, you agree to this.
FOSS idea was to make it better not copy it, this is why A.I Art is better on certain developers who spent their time making A.I Art better. Valve did not make Proton better it made it the same with their brand name.
servers =/= windows OS, know how stuff works.
They got hacked: https://thehackernews.com/2019/08/kde-desktop-linux-vulnerability.html
So this is bait, but Valve totally supports whatever you want from outside vendors.
Not a Mac OS, get rekt.
Installing other OS is never recommended and it's always leads t problems to where the steam community doesn't even understand basic linux troubleshoot. NO you do not want to install another OS and find out that you cant play a game because no one in Steam Deck community understands your OS.
Yes they do scan your computer, read the User Agreement dumby. They have it in bold words, read it.
>MoDIfICaTIoNs woRK
This really doesn't proof that Valve didn't abandoned it. This is the fate of Steam Deck, it only got hype and then interince die out. It can't even sell 1 million on the first few months and only 1 years since then people have made nothing new about it. It's the same old junk hardware that runs Linux OS that has Proton with Steam spyware.
>MoDIfICaTIoNs woRK
It works without modifications though, as demonstrated in the video. Again, how exactly is the hardware useless when it plays games just fine?
>This really doesn't proof that Valve didn't abandoned it. This is the fate of Steam Deck
And just like we see in the video if Valve does abandon the Steam Deck games will still work just fine on it. So like I asked you originally, why would the Steam Deck die if Valve stops supporting it?
>It can't even sell 1 million on the first few months
The first few months they were doing like 10 or 25k a week, so no shit they a million units sold. They didn't ship a million units.
Now they're at about 50 to 60k units a week which is a million every 4 months.
Pretty great numbers for a market segment that traditionally sells under a hundred thousand for a whole device run.
Not to mention people waited a year after for theirs. It's not like there were steam decks sitting out in the open up for grabs, I reserved the day they could be and didn't get mine til almost exactly a year later, so this charade that sales were/are slow is moronic
no it's not and another thing, we don't have actual numbers to proof anything. Valve has the record sales and Valve never made it public. There is no proof of a million steam decks sold and there isn't proof it even got hardwere to keep selling it. This is Valve ways to keep people like you believing in fake numbers by your fake make believe world of Valve being the good guy.
They haven't had to make sales public because they have said how many reservations they're fulfilling a week. Which is the same thing.
Early on it was also possible to see which number you were in line, and there were at least 750k on the first day.
Valve had 1 year, they will never release it. They are doing the same thing with Steam Machines they will not release sales. If even they did we cant even confirm if they are real because only Valve put the numbers. Valve putting the numbers is the same has Sony claiming 1 billion sales. We need confirmation not corporate control.
KDE conference were the guy says "1 million" and doesn't prove anything. Ya real way to show people how dumb you look.
That cake pic happened in Valve HQ. moron.
You fail to realized were the rumor 1 million is, KDE is the only source. no other sources exist.
Why even buy useless hardware then if you can install it on better computer. THINK ANON THINK. you just brought something useless when you can do the same thing on a raspberry pi.
>Why even buy useless hardware then if you can install it on better computer.
How is it useless? See
This really has nothing to do with steam machine or are you saying yes Steam Deck will die out. Make up your mind.
Yep you are dumb i said do the same useless thing like not being able to run the game because it's a windows DRM and Valve made deal with rockstar to make it run especially for Proton. Now it does work on raspberry pi. Gosh, why are you so dumb.
>This really has nothing to do with steam machine or are you saying yes Steam Deck will die out. Make up your mind.
I'm asking why you think the Steam Deck will end up being useless due to Valve dropping support when the Steam Machines aren't useless, despite the dropped support?
Steam machines are useless, you just saw the person unable to play games and that is without modifications to the default state of the machine. Steam Deck will end up in the same place, you can only do limited things and run into problems with either hardware or software.
Games will want people to upgrade to better hardwere. Steam Deck is not design to be upgradeable at all, the custom hardwere you brought will be the reason why you can't play the new games. AMD can also just say no to Valve, they are a company who wants profit not a company like Valve that has billions of dollars doing nothing. IFIX it can also say no to Valve, warranty doesn't matter when people who brought VR also had problems, ETC. Valve has a history of never caring about their hardware or causing problems with hardware. This is not any different.
>Steam machines are useless, you just saw the person unable to play games and that is without modifications to the default state of the machine.
No, his ability to play games had nothing to do with the "modifications" and everything to do with him installing Windows, which proves that even the Steam Machines aren't useless. But of course games would also work on any modern Linux distro you could install on them as well, so how are they useless exactly?
>Steam Deck is not design to be upgradeable at all
Of course not, it can't be. That's not how UMPCs or handhelds in general work.
>the custom hardwere you brought will be the reason why you can't play the new games.
What does the hardware being "custom" have to do with whether you can play games or not?
>AMD can also just say no to Valve
Say no about what? And why would they? Valve can work with other companies than AMD.
>IFIX it can also say no to Valve
Say no about what? Valve can partner with other service companies than ifixit, what power does ifixit have over Valve in this equation?
>warranty doesn't matter when people who brought VR also had problems
Why wouldn't warranty matter when it comes to issues covered by waranty? Do you know what a warranty is?
>Valve has a history of never caring about their hardware or causing problems with hardware.
Then how come they kept updating the Steam Controller and Steam Link, despite discontinuing both?
It can't play genshin impact or any mmo games, you consider this a success? The steam machine only works on steam games, it will never work anything outside of steam. That is why no one brought it, the same mistakes are still present in the steam machines as they were 4 years ago. Nothing changes.
UMPCs are still more useful because they are actual pocket size that makes them able to live longer than PCs. Steam Deck fails at this, people are calling it UMPC because you have zero understandings what a UMPC is or why it was called such a thing 30 years ago. Steam Deck will never be a UMPC it's a machine that runs linux with custom hardware. Trying to change the Definition of a thing is never going to make it better.
Look at android, do you see people buying the custom hardwere? no because it's always better to buy the new thing not fix it. Only a few select people will bother to fix it. Steam Deck is not a PC either, you cant switch parts with AMD because AMD only made it for actual PC not 1 dumb deal from Valve that fail to sell 1 million units.
AMD has history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD#Corporate_affairs
They dont last long either, Valve is just one of many.
Storage for IFIX is not cheap, you cant make companies keep junk. Just like you can't make Best Buy keep radios from the 90s.
Warranty with Valve is always a problem, people with steam machines had problems, VR has problems and there are the same case by case with Steam Deck. You don't have Warranty, you have Valve honor system.
Valve developers do anything they want, since we dont have any information on why. We can maybe guess someone at Valve wants the controller to work and then it will get abandoned. The controller doesn't work on other things, it's just an Apple like product that only works in steam.
>It can't play genshin impact or any mmo games, you consider this a success?
Nothing of value is lost with these omissions, so...yes/
>It can't play genshin impact or any mmo games, you consider this a success?
Why wouldn't Windows be able to play Genshin Impact?
>The steam machine only works on steam games, it will never work anything outside of steam.
Objectively false, in the video we're talking about he's literally playing Fortnite.
>UMPCs are still more useful because they are actual pocket size that makes them able to live longer than PCs.
The Steam Deck is an UMPC. Your comment has nothing to do with the fact that UMPCs aren't upgradable in general.
>Look at android, do you see people buying the custom hardwere?
Again, what does custom hardware have to do with it? Do you know what "custom hardware" means, or that the custom hardware in question isn't all that different from AMD's other hardware? What does hardware being custom have to do with whether you can play games or not?
>They dont last long either, Valve is just one of many.
All companies have a history of failed collaborations, so what? Does that mean that all their future projects are going to fail? And you never told me why Valve would have to work with AMD in the first place?
>Storage for IFIX is not cheap, you cant make companies keep junk.
Again, why would Valve have to work with ifixit when they can work with any service company or even handle it themselves?
>Warranty with Valve is always a problem, people with steam machines had problems, VR has problems and there are the same case by case with Steam Deck. You don't have Warranty, you have Valve honor system.
Wrong, you do have warranty.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4E41-6123-79EF-25BA
This warranty is legally binding, particularly in countries where it's the law, like in the EU. But aren't you also the guy shilling Chinese handhelds, which have literally zero warranty?
>We can maybe guess someone at Valve wants the controller to work and then it will get abandoned.
So why did they keep updating it if they didn't care about it?
>The controller doesn't work on other things, it's just an Apple like product that only works in steam.
But it does work with non-Steam games, moron.
>genshin impact
people unironically play gacha games?
>any mmo games
I don't know about more obscure ones but it plays ffxiv and wow classic just fine
Why would you want to play rootkit impact https://github.com/leeza007/evil-mhyprot-cli
https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/ nevertheless you can install windows on it and it even works on Linux if you use a script to bypass the anticheat altogether. Wow, ff14, RuneScape work too. Can't be arsed reading the rest of your post when you've already proven to be moronic
>best price to perf and TDP to perf UMPC on the market
>useless
>when you can do the same thing on a raspberry pi
Ah yes, let me just boot up RDR2 on a raspberry pi.
But Valve accidentally released the number - over a million steam decks sold out. It happened last year.
Technically it was sometime in September, which lines up with Valve's statements about how many reservations they were fulfilling a month.
Right now they should be closing in on two million.
If they keep going at this rate, and they keep selling the Deck for the rumored 5 years, they may be rivaling some consoles for sales, and get close to the best selling open platform gaming machine of all time.
Yeah, I bet that Valve can hit 5+ million steam decks easily this year.
>NO you do not want to install another OS and find out that you cant play a game because no one in steam deck community understands your OS.
You can do whatever you want and be just fine. The hardware isn't exactly obscure, it's just an AMD APU. People have installed gentoo on it and ripped the install scripts going to get the steam UI back. It'll play games through proton on any distro the same way it would on steamOS which is just a glorified arch fork. You won't have to ever worry about compatibility issues in the first place if you install windows, which you're free to do and valve still supports it.
>Yes they do scan your computer
No, they don't, chinglish. The only thing they "scan" is your hardware if you explicitly opt in to the hardware survey.
This is the problem with your claim, you say only 3 linux OS have worked but never tried or read other linux. Gentoo is not user friendly it will never be something for you who wants easy install. How dumb can you be to just assume anyone can install some spyware like Steam on certain linux without problems happening. This doesn't even go into the realms of terminal linux OS that itself is another story. SO what you claim is nothing but short sighted stories of other people who install working OS on steam deck not true assessment of the linux community.
Also here is a TLDR version of it because you are too dumb to understand it: https://tosdr.org/en/service/180
>Gentoo is not user friendly it will never be something for you who wants easy install.
Yeah, that's the point, chang. You can use the least "user friendly" distro possible and it still works just fine.
>Valve is a control freak that makes you buy their product within their own ecosystem
??
You can install any software you want in desktop mode since the OS is open. You can install any distro you want or windows on the deck since the bios are open.
>they can use your information on many of their service like fourms to collect and give you ads
>forums
They don't do this. They have your game purchase history and your friend's and that's all they need to give you recommendations on their store page like "Because you played [x]" or "Recommended by [friend]". You made it sound like they literally scan your computer looking for shit like some kind of malware like EGS does.
Technically Valve didn't even make Proton. They paid the company that represents many of the core Wine developers, and who offer other professional and officially supported releases of Wine optimized for specific uses, to create a version specifically optimized and supported for gaming.
So I'm not sure where your ire is coming from.
no you moron. a company called codeweavers works primarily on wine and valve is one of their biggest sponsors.
https://wiki.winehq.org/Acknowledgements
https://www.codeweavers.com/about/news/press/20220225
>Aug 07, 2019
ah so the hacked KDE thing is bait
No it's real recent as 2/1/2022: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-77/KDE.html
WTF I love xfce now
>They got hacked: https://thehackernews.com/2019/08/kde-desktop-linux-vulnerability.html
You're a braindead moron. This is just a vulnerability, that eventually got patched out, like what routinely happens just about any major piece of software. KDE didn't get hacked.
Windows is secure because nobody tells him about the vulnerabilities :^)
>Proton steals peoples work and changes it for you
>make open source software
>corporation forks it and makes it better
>NOOOOO STOP!!!!! THIS IS LITERALLY THEFT!!
lol?
>their data grabbing software
What data? Valve doesn't take any data besides stuff like game playtime which is literally a feature of steam, and an opt in hardware survey. And the improvements made with proton do make their way to wine.
>copycat
???? lol
Proton is essentially a Python wrapper around Wine, to integrate Wine into Steam. It doesn't "copy" Wine; it includes Wine. This is how FOSS works. If you release free software then you don't get to screech about other people expanding on it or using it.
you do realize linux is built into windows now?
you don't get to choose how your free software goes around
it's a prostitute for all
>and if it run it was 40% of Windows' performance.
Well, if it was a game using standard APIs and not Microsoft non-standard crap it could be 100%.
The issue that really slowed things down in the past is OpenGL is a high level API, and Direct3D was a high level API, and it was hard to go from one to the other because they didn't line up very well.
It started to change when Gallium showed up with a mid-level API and Direct3D support started being written into that, for a while there Gallium9 was the reason to get an AMD card with the open source driver because it was so much faster than D3D9 -> OpenGL.
Its a lot faster now because of Vulkan which as a low-level API is able to have full speed support written in a hardware agnostic way.
Of course Valve wasn't involved in the initial development of DXVK but they do employ the main developers now, and arguably Valve is the reason why Vulkan exists.
If Microsoft had their way, Vulkan would probably have wound up getting the same treatment as Long's Peak.
>steam decks rollling out
>linux popularity decreasing
???
the steam survey is pretty busted
ultimate copium
it doesn't even trigger like it should, didn't for years until I saw you could just manually edit the steam conf to force it
what's your point? that would happen on windows too
yea, it hadn't surveyed me for years on either platform
its busted
that's my point
citation needed
it happened this month
it'll happen next month
the config edit works every time
🙂
i still don't see what your point is. sending a survey is entirely clientside, if the requirements for sending a survey aren't met the server won't process it either way. forcing the client to send a survey literally does nothing except inform valve you're sending fake queries to their server.
its not sending the survey that is busted; its the trigger that gives you the pop up at all asking if you want to participate
editing the config date makes it trigger 100% of the time
meanwhile it hadn't prompted for a survey since 2018
Fwiw steam knew what OS I played on through the entire year, so it's not that they don't know. They made pie graphs showing when I was on Arch vs steam deck by the hour
its a bit of a shame it didn't track actual distro differences, just the overall platform of Linux and Steam Deck despite both being Linux
works for everyone else, you probably opted out at some point
considering I found the solution by finding others complaining about the same solution, no
there are 4 items with Survey in the name and none of them are related to being an opt-out whatsoever
citation needed
PC gaming is on a constant rise and the default is always windows for the RGBT community
Are Steam Decks even part of the survey?
considering the highest percentage for Linux distros is SteamOS (from the deck)...
I heard that vanilla Arch is losing steam because people aren't keepig stuff up to date properly?
What do you mean?
A couple of months ago maybe, a core Arch dev left the project or stopped updating some core package something and the rest of the team needed a while to figure out who does what.
Is Arch easy to install these days?
Simple as typing arch install, if you're scared install endeavourOS instead
Is the steam overlay still broken in Linux? I was having a great time but realizing that the fricking Steam client doesn't even work right put a bad taste in my mouth.
it works fine?
ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6280
plus the beta releases keep breaking then unbreaking gnome
ah, I don't use gnome
maybe that's the issue (or wayland)
I've tried several combos with no improvement. At this point I'm just waiting and hoping official SteamOS will have a lot of this shit hammered out for my tv setup.
>Keyboard issue in Steam Overlay
Just tested chat in Steam overlay and it seems to work perfectly for me. I guess I'm lucky.
I think reading that thread they've narrowed it down to a Proton thing, admittedly I haven't gone back and tried in about a month and a half so maybe it's fixed in newest proton but that is probably the single issue keeping my default boot set to Windows. Next reboot I'll give it a shot.
>I think reading that thread they've narrowed it down to a Proton thing
oh, lol
I tested it with a native game
Works on my machine :^)
This is a real problem, and it has to do with how the controller is handled outside of handheld mode. I hope they implement some steam-independent driver that doesn't need the fricking thing connected to the internet to be able to move the cursor and click on things.
you don't need to be on the internet, you can connect to steam offline and it'll still load a desktop controller profile
all else fails you can hold the steam button to force the trackpad to be a mouse until it hooks in
FRICK THE SWITCH!
I wish. I tried Linux recently and loved almost every aspect of it but I hate how much shit needs tinkering. As much as I hate Windows the ability to just double click and have games work with 0 tinkering 99% of the time is great. Sometimes you just want to boot up the game and play.
Having more support for it would be great.
>tinkering
That's heavily dependent on what games you're trying to play. I can name plenty of games I've played that required some tinkering, but a shitload more that didn't.
Hasn't PC had like zero developer support since 2009?
Nah.
Which desktop os should I get for gaming? I'm a Linux noob
Windows 11 Education
Manjaro
All the benefits of arch Linux, none of the hassle of having to know anything about it to use it.
If you want to get into the nitty gritty, Google some shit and have fun but otherwise, it's perfectly usable out of the box.
literally any just werks distro is fine, you don't need muh bleeding edge
mint is based
If he has a new GPU then he might have trouble with stable distros.
Mint works for me though.
Look into "just werks" distros like Manjaro or Mint and pick whichever one tickles your fancy
Manjaro, and if prompted, choose KDE as your default desktop environment. Desktop Environment is in broad strokes the main GUI of a Linux system. There are a lot of different options but KDE is the closest thing to the Windows GUI so it's gonna be the most familiar.
I just wish the steam had better hardware
You can barely run elden ring at the lowest graphics on it
well, it's a handheld.
Maybe they'll release a SteamOS-powered desktop PC or laptop next.
I would buy it.
SteamOS is basically Arch Linux with Steam pre-installed which boots into Big Picture Mode, no need to release anything. You can install it on pretty much any laptop or desktop pc and it's gonna be mostly the same thing.
i ran it fine at medium settings
as long as I can install their software on the SUPERIOR handheld.
>numerical filename
Sorry I don't spend my time memorizing what all the Chinese handhelds look like. Which one is that?
You can run Linux on it?
can you consolewargay somewhere else? steam users don't give a shit. the ones who got a deck got it because we have like 800 games in our steam library
i just spent hours playing nier automata and the battery is still at 63%
i love this thing
I'll wait for SteamOS Desktop Edition before making the switch
Did Valve ever actually say they'd be releasing the Arch-based SteamOS for desktop use? Don't say "yes" if you just heard it from Anonymous.
they did actually say they would release it but that's meaningless considering anything with a 3 in it's name has never been released by valve
see you when the sun burns out
am i crazy for thinking about getting a steamdeck+lapdock instead of a normal laptop?
do mods work on it?
Yes; it's a PC.
Getting [whatever mod you're thinking about] to work with Proton may or may not require some extra work. If the mod is a DLL (like many widescreen patches are), you just need to add an environment variable that tells Proton to use that DLL. I usually refer to Silent's blog for this:
https://cookieplmonster.github.io/setup-instructions/#proton-wine
If the mod is installed by running some mysterious "dude just trust me lol" executable you downloaded from Mega, then I guess you could try running it with Wine or Proton; your mileage may vary. Personal anecdote: This arguably isn't a mod, but to set up Doom 64 EX on Linux, I used Wine to run the batch file that converts the WAD file from Steam's Doom 64 to a format Doom 64 EX can use, and to get that batch script to work with Wine, I had to install Wine Mono or whatever the frick. It worked after that though. Learn to troubleshoot based on logs when things fail.
you can run .bat scripts with wine?
I haven't bothered trying anything but adding shit to steam and running it through proton so I don't know how to use wine still. Could you do that with a .bat?
Doing it through steam creates a compatdata folder that I have to delete manually so it doesn't waste space, does running things through wine do that too?
>you can run .bat scripts with wine?
Yes; if I remember correctly, you would run something like `wine cmd <whatever>.bat`.
>I haven't bothered trying anything but adding shit to steam and running it through proton so I don't know how to use wine still. Could you do that with a .bat?
Not sure how but there's probably a way.
>Doing it through steam creates a compatdata folder that I have to delete manually so it doesn't waste space, does running things through wine do that too?
The compatdata folder that Steam creates for each game contains a Wine prefix. When you just run Wine, it will create a prefix at `~/.wine` by default; you can use the environment variable WINEPREFIX to change that location. A common recommendation is to use a separate prefix for each game (especially when different games require different tweaks or whatever), and that's basically what Steam is doing for you with Proton's bazillion compatdata folders.
you mean just doing that directly in the terminal? I don't know if the deck has wine just by default
>environment variable
I don't really know how to use these, call me a moron but I can't into the terminal really and don't like it
so by default wine just makes a single prefix and runs everything you use it for in the same one? does the prefix persist like the compatdata folders or does it delete itself when you're done?
Wrong board
You're late. Literally 100 replies before you got here. ZERO rupees have been deposited to your Bing Shopping account.
Mad
oh so that's why Ganker started riding arch's dick all of a sudden
Arch is the best distro
So is this the GNU/Linux gaming thread or the Steam Deck thread?
>only one screenshot of a game running on GNU/Linux
Sad!
>Arch Linux will be the most popular gaming platform for games
Maybe, but it would be all about SteamOS despite being based on Arch Linux. They are not same. Publishers, Studios in the future would focus on SteamOS and Windows. They will ignore other linux to save their time and headache.
>Maybe, but it would be all about SteamOS despite being based on Arch Linux. They are not same. Publishers, Studios in the future would focus on SteamOS and Windows. They will ignore other linux to save their time and headache.
I used to think this was a bad thing but lately I've come conclusion that it's probably the only way Linux gaming will ever work, based on how a lot of distros and FOSS developers act.
Even so SteamOS is JUST arch with a few bells and whistles. Any optimization devs put in for steamOS you will see on Arch
>but it would be all about SteamOS
So what?
>probably the only way Linux gaming will ever work
That's already how it worked for years.
Look at the system requirements for any Linux-native game (or, actually, any released before Steam Deck, because some developers might actually be targeting SteamOS by now) and you'll probably see that it "requires" Ubuntu. Case in point: The Linux version of Cave Story+ on Steam requires "Ubuntu 10.04 and Newer". That didn't stop me from running it on Steam Deck — yes, the Linux version, not with Proton — and future developers targeting SteamOS won't keep most of those games from running on other distros either.
Have fun dealing with the devs over Linux. When the devs find out that you don't use SteamOS or Windows, they bluntly tell you that they can't do anything about your problem cuz your specific linux is not supported. :^)
I'm not having a problem though.
Works on Steam Deck and my PC.
And of course they would say only Ubuntu is supported, the same way the developer of Divine Divinity would tell me only Windows XP is supported if I wrote an angry email about a bug on Windows 11 (or, in my case, if I complained about it not working on Linux, which I wouldn't, because with Proton it does).
>Look at the system requirements for any Linux-native game (or, actually, any released before Steam Deck, because some developers might actually be targeting SteamOS by now)
As far as I'm aware they're neither targeting Ubuntu or SteamOS, but the Steam client itself; specifically the Steam Linux runtime.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime
I don't know what "they" are doing in general these days, but a good number of games' system requirements explicitly say Ubuntu. One example is Cave Story+ supporting ""Ubuntu 10.04 and Newer" as already mentioned.
Some other games officially support both Ubuntu and SteamOS. Crypt of the NecroDancer's system requirements section says "Steam OS and Ubuntu 12.04 are the only supported Linux OSes" (though I'm not sure whether the SteamOS in question is the old Debian-based one or the new Arch-based one; it's probably the former).
And yes, to your credit, some developers apparently do target Steam Linux Runtime specifically. I'm guessing this is the case for Super Meat Boy, for which the OS line in the Linux system requirements just says "If you're running the Steam client, you're good" (a pretty bold claim if Steam Linux Runtime isn't the target).
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/200900/Cave_Story/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/247080/Crypt_of_the_NecroDancer/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/40800/Super_Meat_Boy/
>And yes, to your credit, some developers apparently do target Steam Linux Runtime specifically. I'm guessing this is the case for Super Meat Boy, for which the OS line in the Linux system requirements just says "If you're running the Steam client, you're good" (a pretty bold claim if Steam Linux Runtime isn't the target).
AFAIK all modern Linux native games have to target the Steam Linux Runtime, but unless I remember incorrectly this didn't use to be the case, because Valve initially had some problems getting it working properly. That probably explains it.
Upon re-reading, I understand you were referring only to what devs are doing post-Deck, so you can ignore the first half of
where I was just repeating myself about old games.
Although... Super Meat Boy is an old game too, and so I'm actually very surprised that its system requirements DON'T just say "Ubuntu [old-ass version] or bust", but maybe it was updated at some point.
Based valve thank you steamdeck is the best product of the 2020s
I pray that windows loses it's monopoly. It's getting predatory at this point but most people who game on PC don't have a choice.
Just thought you guys should know you're arguing with a bingtendo fanboy who shits up every deck thread on Ganker calling people "gabentroony", and is the same guy who shits up linux threads calling everyone "freetard"
I don't think it's the same poster, this guy is more ESL than the schizo and isn't typing 😉 after every sentence.
> In ten years, Arch Linux will be the most popular gaming platform for games that aren't published by Microsoft.
I’m going to buy a steam deck but you Valve Black folk are delusional. The Steam Deck has sold between 1.5 and 2 million. That is a drop of ocean in PC gaming ecosystem.
Gaben was right about piracy being a service issue
Downloading games that work through Proton on Linux illegally is a pain in the ass. It's easy on Windows
I just wish SteamOS wasn't immutable.
Arch without an AUR kinda feels suffocating. The fact that Steam Deck didn't get KDE connect till like a year into it's lifespan is moronic, glad they have it now though.
I get that they did this to make it normie friendly though, and I do genuinely appreciate the advancements to linux that valve is bringing, now if only they'd polish up SteamVR to the point that it had Motion Smoothing and the SteamVR Home SDK like on windows.
>now if only they'd polish up SteamVR to the point that it had Motion Smoothing and the SteamVR Home SDK like on windows.
Just based on the fact that they're working a portable headset that's the VR equivalent of the Steam Deck they're almost guaranteed to do this.
I get why they did it, but it should have an easily ticked/flashed "PRO MODE" that let's you get the updates and still use the aur without everything resetting/getting deleted
>linux will be the most popular platform for playing games even though it requires the use of a cobbled together in between thing like proton, which is used to run windows programs
>linux gays actually think this
just use fricking windows
t.
>just use fricking windows
No, I don't think I will.
Thanks, Valve
If it can run early 2000s VNs I’ll switch right now
uhhh Sisters??
I play 2D indie games sweetie.
The battery life is great.
Don't @ me.
>I play 2D indie games sweetie
Like what?
Like whichever ones I want.
Shovel Knight
Dustforce DX
Super Meat Boy
Downwell
They Bleed Pixels
Jamestown
and dumb shit you never heard of
Thanks.
Journos gonna journo, keep sucking off them journos
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This had to be one o the dumbest videos I ever watched
>one year out, and the Steam Deck already needs an update
An update to fricking what? It's a fricking handheld, it will always be primarily held back by battery technology.
It's digital foundry, anything less than rock solid 60fps on ultra settings needs an upgrade.
How does multiple steam accounts work with desktop mode? like windows?
Desktop mode is just like a normal desktop.
I am going to play doom by clicking play on steam and there is nothing you can do to stop me.