>In the span of time since the Mario movie was officially announced to be in development, we've had two Sonic movies and now know more about the third one than the Mario Movie
Where did it go so wrong?
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Sonic movies are made with love
Mario movie is being made for money and compete with sonic
They didnt even have anything to show except the voice actors and that it is being made. So fricking pathetic.
Sonic games always came across as if they were barely holding together and would just about to break it anytime.
At best they look like somebody part way through a game development cloth at a community college made a fan game.
What has kept that franchise alive is the surrounding media. With consistently high quality television shows and comics and now multiple good movies where they actively listen to what their fan base wants and are willing to spend millions of dollars remaking scenes of their film when characters don't look like their audience wants them to.
I actually do recommend the Sonic boom cartoon. It is legitimately funny in a way that very few child's oriented media products can be. If you compare that to any of the non-video game media of Mario such as that atrocious movie all the dreadful cartoons from the 1980s there is no contest here.
Mario has no personality and has a bunch of side characters who have absolutely no personality. Can you even name a single thing actually said in a Mario game?
"Your princess is in another castle"
"Here we go!"
"Whoopopie!"
These games do not have plots or characters or anything aside from some pretty good gameplay and bright flashy colors. Why does anyone actually like Mario as a character? He can't even keep his own accent consistent. What is his character?
So what would you put in a Mario movie? Aside from the plot being the big Bowser guy is going to kidnap princess peach and Mario has to rescue him what are you actually going to put in that film?
>So what would you put in a Mario movie? Aside from the plot being the big Bowser guy is going to kidnap princess peach and Mario has to rescue him what are you actually going to put in that film?
At best I'm expecting a Scooby Doo '02-style spoof filled with insufferable self-referential jokes.
you have no idea what game development looks like. The amount of crap you typed for how little you know is a shocking level of smug ignorance even for Ganker. Unironically I think reddit's more your speed.
They hated him because he told the truth
Yeah, Mario is a good game, but there is a difference between gameplay and character development, and Mario's lack of character does not translate well to other media. Hell, he's a silent character in most of his games so we have no idea what his motivations or interests are other than "rescue peach".
The casting is fricking ass too. They really need to recast if they want to compete with Sonic, which is killing it in casting.
Nobody cares about voice acting in children movies.
Since when? Everyone loved the voice acting in the Disney renaissance movies.
Not Rosio O' Donnell as Terk.
That's true, and people widely criticized it when it didn't work because people care about the voice acting. Cartoon characters practically ARE their voices, as much as they are their designs and personalities, of course it's fricking important.
>Sonic movies are made with love
>Fart jokes
>No Sonic settings
>No Sonic music, have Bruno Mars instead
>OC human characters for literally no reason
>The few actual Sonic characters have entirely different personalities
What aspect had even a slight amount of love put into these movies? It's crazy how people act like these movies subverted the tradition of game movies being trash. I guess I shouldn't expect Sonic fans to have standards, but still.
Mario will definitely be worse, but let's all quit pretending the Sonic movies were good.
B-b-but they referenced [thing]!!
Seriously. I feel like I'm talking schizo pills whenever I see such widespread praise for these shitty Sonic movies. They are literally Super Mario Bros (1993) tier in terms of adaptations.
>The few actual Sonic characters have entirely different personalities
Tails and Knuckles were pretty much spot on, Sonic and Robotnik are the worst acting cute or autistic.
What, you didn't like Sonic moping and being depressed like in his shit comics? It shows that he's a deep complex character that
>Gangsta's Paradise plays
This. Sonic being a little kid who just wants a mommy and daddy is so fricking shit. It just screams of american producers putting Sonic in the same story as like a Pixar movie or something.
It would be "OK" if it was just for the first movie but we are now at Movie 3 which will be a SA2 "adaption" and he has made no progress into becoming the Adventure+ era "Cool 90's dude" Sonic.
Can't wait for Fortnite dance jokes 5 minutes after the Maria/Shadow backstory.
How else are they going to make a smug blue hedgehog relatable?
idk homie they literally go to labyrinth zone in the second movie
there's the tornado
super sonic
le chilli dogs
death egg robot
then what is it supposed to be doing?
if they did a cgi movie you'd also complain that they did "L-LE REFERENCE".
He wants Detective Pikachu
Because clearly that movie was the peak of video game cinema
Detective pikachu had the exact same problems
don't be moronic
Not him, but if it was completely CG it would make more sense to have actual things there. Actually take place in Green Hill Zone instead of generic suburbia with a WINK WINK sign.
but what wink wink you mean
they LITERALLY GO INTO LABYRINTH ZONE
it rises from the ground and they go inside to the zone
LITERALLY the worst zone
Yeah, so, like, why even be in the human world?
>Sonic movies are made with love
>literally Smurfs but with Sonic
>flossing, product placement, heavy focus on OC humans
I can't wait for Sonic 3's B plot being Donut Lord panicking about the baby almost being born. And Sonic 4's being about him and Sonic growing apart because of the baby.
>Sonic movies are made with love
Purposefully leave Metal Sonic, Sonic’s best rival, out of the third movie because shadow is more profitable
>Metal Sonic, Sonic’s best rival
That's a tie for me. Metal Sonic and Fang are both great anti-Sonics in their own way. Metal Sonic is an evil doppelganger who's the opposite of what Sonic stands for as a person (life, freedom, nature, etc) yet Fang is a comedic exaggeration of all of Sonic's "edgy" traits, while inverting all of his good traits into their opposite form. Sonic is confident and smug, Fang is arrogant to the point of self-sabotage, Sonic is cool and dexterous, Fang is a goofy klutz, Sonic is selfless, Fang is completely self-centered, Sonic thinks fast and acts on the fly, Fang tries to be a cunning sneak, etc.
That being said, if they saved Shadow for 4 and made 3 about Metal (and Fang in a perfect world), that would have been the ultimate display of love and soul.
>Fang
Such an underrated rival. It's a shame he never made the jump into 3D and faded into obscurity. You can tell SEGA was trying to make him a mainstay when he was appearing with the cast in Drift 2 and Fighters.
He gets a surprising amount of love in top quality fan games though. Sonic Robo Blast 2, Sonic Galactic, and recently Triple Trouble 16-bit.
Okay.
But now show me good games.
S3&K you dolt
Thats one.
Mario has like 2 or 3 bad games among dozens
Sonic movies are made with anything but love. Paramount has been open about their plan to milk Sonic dry like they did Transformers
They fricking redeemed Knuckles, they can handle side characters better than Sega imo.
As opposed to the knuckles who was perfectly fine until like 06?
>Sonic movies are made with love
>okay so Sonic goes to the REAL WORLD and ends up with an INTERRACIAL COUPLE
>also they always talk about OLIVE GARDEN
>and in the sequel we have a BIG BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN getting married but she gets tricked and goes on an EPIC rampage because SHE DON'T NEED NO MAN
>oh but the black people get together and Sonic is saved by the power of LOVE heckin wholesome
Stopped reading at the second line lmfao. Obsessed
>getting triggered by a legitimate plot synopsis
You do realize you have to go for the lowest denominator for the audience in first movies; and then focus on what the audience likes after that in the sequels, right?
>and then focus on what the audience likes after that in the sequels, right?
ah yes, what I was truly waiting for in Sonic 2: a fat woman marrying the guy from Criminal Minds
Which later revealed G.U.N later in the scene. Could they have just introduced the unit into the movie with little explanation, yes; but it's easier to meld things from the first movie into more Sonic stuff to increase suspension of disbelief.
sonic has had a power of love thing before
It's the characters and how they are that bring people in. Sonic, Tails, and even Smart Knuckles are FUN. What can Chris Pratt bring to Mario outside of a bad Italian accent? "Heya fatso shutathefrick-up-a!"
The Sonic movies literally have a bunch of unrelated humans because corporate thought an entirely CG film based on Sonic characters only wouldn't retain viewer attention. Tom, Maddie, and the rest are soulless Hallmark tier filler that eat up half of each movie.
Thats only true for the first movie, in the 2nd the human characters are barely there.
We get it anon, you can't handle the chad energy of Donut Lord.
>Sonic movies are made with love
>posts Disney shit in response.
>Disney brings an animated character to the real world
>funny, full of heart
>Sega does it
>checklist made by electronic old men
brings an animated character to the real world
, full of heart
Lmao
They exists entirely because other companies re doing the same shit with their own IPs and making tons of cash from morons who consume this garbage for simply having familiar characters in it.
Please have a nice day.
I'm a Mariogay. I haven't touched a Sonic game in my life. But I have to agree with you. Haven't seen the Sonic movies but it's obvious they are a fun and inocent product while the Mario movie is kept top secret for years now and I warantee it will flop.
Mario is Mickey, a character that Walt created because a cute little fella to outsmart bad guys that would make people sad when he is in danger, but without being able to use dialogue
This. Actually, the only way you make this kinda work was if it was like a Mr. Bean movie where the main character is often alone and barely saying nothing. Then it would at least be interesting
>Movie is literally about a plummer who falls from a pipe and ends up in the Mushroom Kingdon while Peach is being captured
>Toads immeditialy ask him to save the princess just because he is taller than everyone else (which is not saying a lot), mario never gets the chance of saying no so he is forced into doing it
>Basically mario struggling with basic stuff to get from point A to point B, since it's a fantasy word he knows nothing about
>All of this while saying nothing
Kino
And all of that personality and range of emotion that made Mickey a funny and lovable cartoon character was gradually stripped away to make him as broadly appealing as possible. Which is happening to Mario now.
The Disney renaissance ended up being great for Mickey, he was alright in the 90s and 00s. Having such a creative environment in a company did wonders for the mascot.
>all of that personality and range of emotion that made Mickey a funny and lovable cartoon character was gradually stripped away to make him as broadly appealing as possible
it really depended on the project and writers like always
the rat's strength is his flexibility
Rudish Mickey isn't real Mickey, it's like a different character from any previous Mickey. Not saying it's bad, just not really Mickey.
>it's like a different character from any previous Mickey
not really
You won't see comic's Mickey screaming like a spastic and acting like a hysterical little girl.
this mickey gives me bad vibes, I don't trust him
Sonic actually speaks in coherent sentences, so already that's one less major roadblock to screenwriting
Are those fursuits?
Didn't Jim Carrey say he was done?
Working. Watch the set interviews. Sonic isn't work for him, it's a paid holiday.
Hope soon we get to see pics of him fat af, confirming that his slim eggman is gone.
>christmas themed shadow movie
kino
even more kino when you realize pic related
SOVL
>Battle
Frick off zoomer
Black person tell that to them not me the original SA2 is June 23rd
On the First day of christmas, G.U.N gave to me One dead maria
2 Hedgehogs Racing
3 Team Dark Members
3 person scat sex
4 Damn Chaos Emeralds
5 Awful Games
Hey man Spinball was fun
6 Variant Knuckles
7 chaos emeralds
8-Figure Peel Out
Better Christmas movie than Die Hard
It came out the same year in Japan and in 2002 in the US dumbass. Plus most SA2 fans came from battle anyway
it's like it was the 90's again
You reminded me of that Maria's First Christmas comic.
vidya gaems?
>happy holidays
why do christgays get so triggered over this phrase? you know there's more than one holiday during that time of year right? 3 of which you morons celebrate yourselves (thanksgiving, christmas, new years)
Frick off Shlomo
I'm not Christian and I still want you to go Xmas yourself. If it were about return to authentic tradition you'd call it Yule. You just want me to care or think about hanukkah but I never will
Has been said since forever, seethed over since only recently
Cast him.
Michael Fassbender
Elliot Page
Ftm trannies unironically love sonic for some reason. I think its because of how feminine all the characters act.
Jason Griffith.
Idris Ilba
Christan Bale
I too sawe that tiktok
I would shit myself if this happened. Maybe cum, too
Gilbert Gottfried
If he was still alive, Michael Jackson.
Gilbert Gottfried.
Anthony Fantano
Adam Baldwin
Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner
Sam Witwer
Adam Driver
Would be kino but i doubt he would agree
Nicholas Cage
As far as I know, there was no vision for a Mario movie. What happened, Illumination approached Nintendo and said they want to make a Mario movie, or vice versa? I get the impression it was just "Hey, this property is popular! Hey, this studio is successful! If we work together we can make a sure hit!" with no thought put into what a good Mario movie would actually be like. So they're just floundering trying to make it work, which can't be fricking easy for a bunch of corporate goons, given the current state of Mario, who's only enjoyable 90% because of gameplay these day (back in the 90's and 00s, characters and the world were at least 50% of the charm without distracting from great gameplay).
If they got someone that actually understand cartoons, movies, and creating a creative environment to spearhead the project (like Genndy Tartakovsky or Tomm Moore), it would have been out by now and it would have been fun. It might not have been exactly what suits at Nintendo want, but it at least it would have been good, and fricking out by now.
*marry christmas
Mario movie is probably pretty bad and they know they have to make something at least as good as the Sonic movies so it's taking way too long.
Also, Mario movie as a concept is just moronic. Sonic is much easier to make a movie about because of the way his character is. Mario is le funny bingle bongle italian plumber mascot. This works for video games. On the other hand Sonic has actual character, arcs, can speak etc. This is divisive and causes lots of mixed opinions on the games, but it also means that its easier to make a Sonic movie that actually feels faithful and justified compared to a Mario movie that run the risk of coming off as a low effort cash grab.
>Also, Mario movie as a concept is just moronic.
Not necessarily, it's only moronic because you know it's going to have Minions type animation, writing, and "humor". And you know it's going to be constrained by Miyamoto's autistic, boring, repetitive "ARR MARIO MUST BE TOTARRY CONSISTENT AND SAME-U" NSMB bullshit.
In the right hands, a Mario movie could be pretty cool.
>strange, surreal, dangerous fantasy land full of magic, mysticism, weird creatures, and monsters
>said land is being explored by a pair of kooky Italian-American plumbers that wandered in by mistake and don't fit the atmosphere at all
>Mario and Peach falling in love after meeting for the first time, showing that Mario has never had a woman as sweet and kind as Peach in his life, and Peach has never known a man that makes her laugh and smile so much, and can keep her safe from harm
>things getting a little more fun and bright wherever the Mario goes because of his helpful, kind, funny, and strong nature
>Bowser's daughter with the bow forces Luigi to impregnate her
There's so much cool shit you can do.
>Bowser's daughter with the bow forces Luigi to impregnate her
You lost me here.
Hey I'm just spitballing here, nothing's set in stone yet. It could be Birdo, or even Dixie Kong that forces Luigi to impregnate her.
Adding Luigi rape to the list of things I wish I didn't find hot
Didn't she have a crush on Luigi in an episode of the cartoon or something?
She flirted with Weegee a bunch in Mario Goes Missing.
I know, totally letting Wendy's DSL go to waste.
Jfc my sides
You would have a point if the movie was anything like the sonic games.
quality >>>>
Nintendo is famously strict regarding their IP, and Illumination is famous for making sterile cute movies.
Every fricking frame of the Mario movie is going to go through so much committee planning it would put Disney's execs to shame.
nintendo is clearly busy suing people that cares about game preservation and charging full price for old games
I'm going to be nearing 30 by the time this film releases.
Metal Gear Solid movie was announced on Metal Gear's 25th anniversary.
Last month, we had Metal Gear's 35th anniversary.
I'm pretty sure none of these movies ever get past the producers pitch, i think studios just contact the copyright holders in one phonecall, ask if they are interested, and then drop it after generating some hype pieces from media outlets
I remenber in2008 to 2014 where EVERY game was going to have a movie
>GoW movie
>Shenmue movie
>Sleeping Dogs movie (that somehow had a update in 2017)
>Onimusha movie
Some get stuck in development hell. The production company and rights holders can't agree on a script, can't find directors/actors, can't agree on a budget, etc. When that happens it can take years if ever to get free of it. What you'll sometimes see are things like the Banana Splits movie, where a script gets repurposed when it fails to work for a liscenced property. The problem is you generally won't know on a lot of video game movies, unless the premise is unique enough to stand out. Metal Gear is a commando sneaking into a secure facility, Shenmue is a guy tracking down criminals for revenge, with attached love story, etc.
>Mario movie is being done by Illumination
That's where it went so wrong. Illumination are money-first hacks who have never made even a passable film. They're literally all shit.
I'm pretty sure it was silently cancelled and now Nintendo is starting from scratch without the studio. I'm not saying that nintendo is the most hardworking company ever, far from it actually, but illumination is the "good enough" philosophy studio. None of the Illumination projects ever looked impressive on any aspect. People say "But the animation is good", but any person with basic understanding in 3D can see that all of their characters are designed to be easy to rig and they only oversaturate the colors so it distracts from the "meh" textures they have. Even movies like "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs " at least had a spastic type of quick stretch animation that makes it look impressive for 3D.
The issue is: In Japan the concept of "Good enough" is wildly different from a casual going Californian/french studio. They can and will trown curve balls like "finish this in less than a month" or "remake all of this, it's wrong". Japan is the nation that where almost every single project, from AA games to a simple VN can become development hell.I don't think Illumination ever had troubled development, the studio was founded around not having this. I actually imagine that most of the studio are middle aged mom's and dad's who don't think much of movies other than something silly for their kids bellow six. And then were stuck with Myiamoto, who is notoriously hard to work with, especially with foreign devs
>Myiamoto, who is notoriously hard to work with
>has gotten along well with most, especially the guy who pitched Mario hanging out with the Proto-Minions while using a gun
Move on, Giles Goddard.
I think the "upending the tea table" thing is largely a myth
Mickey goes through cycles of getting a personality and Disney pulling back, presently he has one because of the Paul Rudish cartoons but it took 15+ years for that to happen because Disney freaked out about pic related and somewhat about House of Mouse
>I'm pretty sure it was silently cancelled
I doubt this, but goddamn it'd be hilarious if the major impetus for Nintendo going with Universal Studios for their parks was just casually chucked. Cucking Universal would also absolutely shit on Nintendo's recently declared intentions to expand their IPs with more non-game media, because studios talk, and word would spread among them if Nintendo were miserable sticklers and bridge-burners to work with.
This has already happened, Nintendo walked away from Netflix because they did guerilla marketing tactics about the Star Fox and Zelda series they were working on without telling Nintendo. It is absolutely a legitimate way to build hype but Nintendo was mad they weren't in control. Also man Nintendo's theme parks look kinda lame. How do you turn Mario Kart into an augmented reality ride on rails in the dark? What were they thinking?
> It is absolutely a legitimate way to build hype but Nintendo was mad they weren't in control.
I think in the Netflix case Nintendo wanted an out and just happened to get an immaculate excuse to kill it. Ubisoft did the same thing with Mario + Rabbids, and the initial reaction was even that of mockery and horror, and that came out without a hiccup. Hell, it's the best selling Mario RPG and it has a sequel coming out.
Despicable Me is at least passable.
At this point it's gotta be miyamoto clashing with the producers over them wanting to make it woke right? I can't see any other reason it would take so long
The Mario series already has Birdo as the trans character, why would it need to be "woke"?
It's unwoke because they did it too long ago
That said they did put that illumination guide on the nintendo board, surerly if they were clashing that badly they wouldn't have done it, unless he was the one guy willing to not be woke
Sonic movies are great, recent games are trash
Mario movie will probably not be great, games are still good.
The universe must balance itself somehow.
How are they going to adapt the scene where Maria gets gunned down
>getting a full, in-depth analysis SIXTEEN MONTHS before it comes out
What's the fricking point? Just wait until it releases, you autistic spaz.
Wasn't there also a spinoff show announced as well?
Is the live action trend the worst thing that has happened to animated films and shows in recent history?
Why not make an original post instead of copying a tweet
Cast them
I'd get people to audition and pick the ones that could bring the characters to life the best.
People forget that sonic movie was announced a few years back and took ages to actually get anything out of it
Pumping out half-assed hybrid movies vs taking your time animating a masterpiece
Nothing went wrong. Quality over quantity, clearly something sonic fans don't give a shit about.
You guys think we'll have bat milkers in the movie?
Sonic movies are cheaply, fast made through focus groups.
Mario is made with love for a brand Nintendo care deeply for.
>Shadow revealed
>Jim Carrey not returning as Robotnik
>we probably won't get Rouge
>time has to be dedicated to Sonic's family
Fricking monkey paw
I think Rouge might appear in the Knuckles show
Sonic has always been really good outside vidya. Top notch cartoons, music and mostly fun comics. It only makes sense he would be a success in the movies.
Mario has pretty much zero personality so it is much harder to make a movie. Also the rumor about test audiences saying it was boring.
>Mario has pretty much zero personality
This. And I wouldn't even say "pretty much", he has no personality. I don't even know if he has feelings other than happiness I guess. He comes across like a mindless robot.
Luigi on the other hand can feel jealousy and fear.
Even in Mario Odyssey he doesn't have any personality. It's hilarious.
>headstrong moron who gets his shit slapped in by Bowser
>gets jealous and then rejected, sympathizing with his nemesis
>that last one even triggered Ganker, resulting in rants about ebil womyn
They're more like retro cartoon characters from the 30's
Honestly, the Mario movie could be one of the biggest events to happen to Ganker. Whether it's good or bad, the shitposting across Ganker, Ganker, and Ganker will be fricking glorious.
the fact that out of all the franchises to break the video game movie curse, it was Sonic the Hedgehog after nearly a decade of being its own punchline in the video game world, and on top of it it was somehow one of the best decisions in Jim Carrey's career and potentially let him end it on an undisputable high note is never not funny to me.
Sonic can translate into other mediums easier because he has a defined character, Mario doesn't. Mario is more of a brand than a character. Mario is designed purely as a video game protagonist without much thought how'd he'd fare outside of that. Even the overalls and mustache was there to make parts of his body stand out more back when shit like Donkey Kong and the original Mario Bros were being made. Outside of maybe Paper Mario (idk never played them) Mario doesn't have any defined characteristics beyond being a mascot. A fricking Crash Bandicoot movie would be less of a hassle to make than a Mario one.
>Mario movie
You know Hollywood is going to make this pairing a thing there, right?
That cast and directors pretty much screams "self referential meta subverting expectations" parody.