>Influence gained: Kreia. >Influence lost: Kreia

>Influence gained: Kreia
>Influence lost: Kreia

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    would you be bothered if Kreia was black?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro DID I JUST CATCH YOU BEING CHARITABLE

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        she would just step in and grab the credits mid transaction

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      is she also sassy and fat

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really influenced a lot of Star Wars going forward honestly. Great character

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Want to name some examples? Preferably ones that can be attributed directly to Kreia and not the generally darker tone of the Prequels?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kreia obviously had no baring over George’s direction with the Prequels, but KOTOR 2 is interesting in the sense that it released just prior to Revenge of the Sith— This is particularly interesting because RoTS has a very similar tone to KOTOR 2 and also touches upon very similar themes. KOTOR 2 could be seen as a primer for RoTS as a result. Admittedly, I’d be very interested in hearing George’s opinion on Kreia since she aligns with his view on what Star Wars is in some aspects, while also deconstructing other aspects.

        Also, with regards to Disney Wars, Luke’s portrayal in The Last Jedi was a poor attempt at turning him into a Kreia type character.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          what themes does RoTS have in common with KOTOR 2?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hypocrisy of the Jedi Council, the portrayal of Jedi as fallible and human in general, the butterfly effect of smaller actions having bigger consequences, social and political decay within the republic, and the similarities between Jedi and Sith to name a few.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Influence lost:Kreia
    >Influence gained: Kreia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have no influence and I must scream

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bro she just wants you to think about your choices
    I know what i do and why i'm doing it. Why does she think i'm retarded?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The exile almost losing his life and soul after following the orders of Revan without thinking is literally a central theme

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kreia is a great character designed to make you question your morality, problem is if you already act like a grey Jedi, she'll treat like you don't, it's just a limitation from the game and its writing which can't be that deep without adding a whole new layer of story to it...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can act like a grey Jedi though. You just have to explain your reasoning to her.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not every time tho but yeah, you're right, I remember now...

          this actually helped me a lot to develop my critical thinking and help me question myself and others more when I was a teen...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Kreia is a great character designed to make you question your morality
        No, she's a libertarian mouthpiece because the game was written by a libertarian and he just wrote that libertarianism is right.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >machiavelianism = lolbertarianism
          lol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's not what espouses at all.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Seems pretty spot on to me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong wikipedia page, buddy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Making analogies with real world philosophies to simplify the message and essentialize it to simply that ideology that looks similar to a fictional character's way of acting is a dead end to truly understand that character, it's essentially making a strawman, by doing so you ignore all the contrast that is being put by the author and therefore the real message...

                You have failed me Anon, completely, utterly...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are influences of many teachings from our world in Kreia's way of thinking but ultimately she's a free thinker and wants you to be one, so she has no defined ideology nor wants you to have one...

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Whatever you say, not like I care if you don't like the character or libertarianism... Just don't step on the snek and we'll be ok :^)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Since when is Avellone a libertarian?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't even pay attention to what this tardis is posting m_, he's either trying to b8 us or he's stupid, either way, it's not worth it to give him answers or attention...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Since he said "If a woman can't afford to pay someone to defend her from being raped then she deserves to be raped".

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Did he really say that or is it what you understood from his statement?

              I'm pretty sure if he really said that he wouldn't be working with any more video game companies and all the SJW trannies would have tanked his career by putting on trends on Twitter...

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does she bleach her skin so fast after going to Malachor?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Giving yourself to the dark side always let's you reroll your character for free

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about when they have a redemption arc and go good again

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only corrupt Bastila is hot

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that dialogue
          Jesus. Even KOTOR 2’s more one dimensional antagonists don’t sound that corny.

          >but you can’t
          I feel this is unironically the point KOTOR 2 is trying to make. Under the will of the Force, the going down either a light or dark path is a slippery slope. In fact, the movies (The Prequels especially) also touch upon what Kreia mentioned about how smaller selfish actions can spiral into great tragedies.

          Kreia’s philosophy is “commit to a side, but with full knowledge of that side’s strengths and weaknesses”.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Light and Dark side don't exist in purely Gorge cannon.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Lucas: The Dark Side isn't natural, it's a cancer on the Force caused by sentients misusing it
              >Also Lucas: The Force can be "balanced" by killing two Sith and hundreds of Jedi

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Looks like Georgie boy here believes that Cancer is artificial.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              he sold the entire fucking IP to chinks, his "canon" can suck my fat cock, my headcanon is the only one that matters

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                based headcanon respecting george lucas fellatio recipient anon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In order to truly follow a belief, you must be willing to betray it.
            Yeah I remember those lines. Her point is that if you cannot levy full criticism of your own ideals you are simply caught within them.
            Sith get powerhungry and careless under their rule while the Jedi have less of a slippery slope and more a mountain of righteousness they climb. Those that don't fall often end up with their heads completely embedded in the clouds (of their own farts)

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Her point is that if you cannot levy full criticism of your own ideals you are simply caught within them.
              I thought her point was in essence a more complex way of saying "let go". For the Sith they believe that you need to be willing to betray or murder everything in order to be truly free, while the Jedi believe that you need to let go of all attachments to be free. But the Sith still go on clutching at power while the Jedi cling to morality, and they both tie themselves to the trappings of their organizations, so they're hypocritical.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "Let it go" or "be willing to let it go" is indeed her point and the very thing I wanted to express.
                In a certain way Kreia's teachings have a very Zen like quality to them.
                Escape the cycle of life and destruction caused by the universe i.e. "the will of the force".

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                “Let go” is arguably the message of SW as a whole. Vader was created by Anakin’s inability to let go and only through self-sacrifice does he redeem himself.

                That said, the flaw of Kreia’s philosophy is that to truly let go, once must become one with the Force, since the Force is the essence of all life. I often feel as though Kreia’s hatred of the Forcs is a form of bitterness she feels at spending her whole life being betrayed by force sensitives.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >only through self-sacrifice
                You mean, his inability to let go of his love for Padme prevented him from fully embracing the Dark Side and refusing to let go of Luke gave him the will to toss the Emperor down a shaft, to redeem himself

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Force is the essence of all life
                The entire point of the Exile is that he proves that line to be bullshit. The force is important to many life forms but it is not essential.
                Kreia's hatred of the force isn't some old woman being bitter. She has the spirit of the Nietzschian Übermensch, she wants to be control of her own fate.
                Unfortunately in her universe she finds out that God keeps rigging the elections to support the war economy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The entire point of the Exile is that he proves that line
                To be completely right. He's a Force leech the same as Nihilus, but he had the strength of will to "sever" himself from the Force enough to reduce the effects to a point where he can act like he's disconnected entirely instead of being an insatiable planet eater. He's still draining from everyone around him though, those he forms Force Bonds with especially. That's why he forms those bonds so easily and so many at once.

                He was never truly free of the Force.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >To be completely right.
                He proves it to be wrong. The Exile lived for five years completely disconnected from the Force, showing that the Force is not necessary for life.
                >He's still draining from everyone around him though, those he forms Force Bonds with especially.
                He uses the Force through others, yes. But for years he wasn't connected to it at all. This is why the Jedi were so frightened by him, because his existence upends their entire worldview.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          She was right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to skincare routines some would consider... unnatural

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You didn't just give that homeless man $5, did you?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is Kreia the only one to ever do this. It seems like this should be an entire lightsaber form all on it's own.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sidious and Yoda should've done this when fighting with sabers to show how powerful they are in the force and that they don't need to practice conventional forms anymore.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a ridiculous way to fight that leaves you open the moment you get even slightly distracted.

        Sidious and Yoda should've done this when fighting with sabers to show how powerful they are in the force and that they don't need to practice conventional forms anymore.

        Sidious as a Sith and Yoda as a tiny guy should've been beyond lightsabre combat. Don't care if RLM said it, it's still true.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yoda’s dinky saber
          It should have been normal size. Really lightsabers should all be long as fuck or have a long mode. It’s not like a metal sword where length causes problems with weight and balance. It literally weighs next to nothing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            actually lightsabers are heavy according to lucas and there are some with dual length settings. there's also a lightsaber form where the user toggles the saber on and off while fighting but it's so cheap both the jedi and sith have banned it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imma say because it's fucking difficult and Kreia could only do it because of the location and her bond to you - so extremely unique circumstances.

          I mean you could hold a normal saber while fighting with others, just in case.
          It's the most obvious thing in the world though. They have fucking telekinesis.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And that telekensis requires more thought put into it that just swinging your hands around. You have to be concious of something outside your body at all times because it will either end up useless at best or actively harmful at worst.

            Even in the situation it's shown, a one on one where the Exile is only trying to fight the lightsabres instead of hitting Kreia, it's not especially effective.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So what? It's exactly the sort of thing that you'd expect a Jedi or Sith master to be capable of. It's only "not effective" in Kotor 2 because it's a videogame and the lightsabers are just being held by invisible NPCs, so the Exile can fight them normally and just lose a few points of health instead of all of them flying around his saber and bisecting him instantly.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, focusing on making lightsabres fly around means leaving yourself open. See how good your three sabre triple cut technique is when your opponent is choking or shoving you around the room

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You could say the exact same thing for just fighting with a lightsaber plainly. It's always been implicit that Jedi and Sith protect themselves with the Force when fighting other Force-users. And if you say "no they don't, it's only all the moving and fighting makes it distracting so their opponents can't use the Force on them", I would then ask how the fuck is being attacked by three lightsabers flying at you from every direction less distracting than fighting a guy with a sword?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And if you say
                Yes they do but their focus is all on themselves already so it's easier to defend their bodies from Force attacks when they're using an extension of their body to fight.

                Vader throws shit at Luke in Empire because he's basically rubbing in how outclassed Luke is. He doesn't throw shit in Return when Luke is closer to his ability level and all fucked up on rage.
                Now imagine if Vader was trying to twirl sabres around the room while Luke's coming straight at him like a madman.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He doesn't throw shit in Return
                He throws his lightsaber.
                >Now imagine if Vader was trying to twirl sabres around the room while Luke's coming straight at him like a madman.
                Vader could have easily done that and Luke would have instantly been killed. Vader doesn't lose because Luke outclasses him, he loses because he can't bring himself to actually try to kill his son.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        kotor did it to get around limitations of animating characters in vidya at the time (finding something cool in the process), movies never had such limitations

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >get around limitations of animating characters
          What limitation? Kreia being one handed all game doesn't stop her using any of the melee animations as your companion so why would they suddenly find an issue right at the very end of the game, in a rushed and unfinished segment no less?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Master Thon did it in the tales of the jedi dark horse run

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imma say because it's fucking difficult and Kreia could only do it because of the location and her bond to you - so extremely unique circumstances.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I always thought it was kind of dumb because what's stopping a jedi knight from either using the force to grab one of those lightsabers or straight up just grabbing it with their hands?

        And if Kreia is that strong with the force compared to everyone else, why not just force choke people?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a fucking space fantasy universe, things exist to be cool and to make a point, not to be 100% credible...

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          novel combat forms have an advantage because no one has trained for it and has reflexive defenses

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        jedi are too autistic to use anything hyper dangerous and not defensive
        powerful force sith will just go unga bunga lighting

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You didn't just give that homeless man $5, did you?

      the whole point of that scene is to be mindful of the consequences of your actions
      your charity makes him a target, your callousness makes him a brigand, either way someone will end up hurt, but mindfulness is the lesson

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    STOP BEING A FUCKING RETARD AND THINK FOR YOURSELF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mentored 2 special people in her time
    wew

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kreia....

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      *Atris

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Never do anything out of hunger. Not even eating

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lmfao still not sure whether he was supposed to be over the top cheesy as fuck on purpose or not since the rest of that season was chock full of subtleties and hidden meaning

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically great advice

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guardian or Sentinel?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Guardian.
      Always.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sentinel for that sweet yellow lightsaber

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sentinel is strictly better in Kotor 2.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But then you don't get to fly across the map with Force Jump

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you just edit your save.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >hurr if I edit my pistol to do 999 damage with 100% accuracy, scout with no advances is actually the best class
            Go chew glass, dipstick.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The simple fact of the matter is that you're playing a 3.5 derivative system and therefore there is no reason to play anything other than a spellcaster. t. /tg/

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Guardian and Sentinel are both equally broken if you build them right though. A high Strength Guardian or Sentinel can one shot 90% of enemies and bosses in the game.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Capable, yes, but you can do that and also have a lot of utility and shit as a caster.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except in both 1 and 2 the main threats are from single targets, which guardian is more efficient at dispatching.
        Enlightenment in particular is easily the most broken ability in the series

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Enlightenment in particular is easily the most broken ability in the series

          That’s a tough one to judge. Especially since there are a ton of broken abilities:
          >Battle Meditation
          >Force Speed
          >Sneak Attack
          >Force Storm
          >Force Whirlwind
          >Power Attack
          >Kreia’s Force bond ability
          >Hanharr’s Rage ability

          The list goes on.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Enlightement gives you speed on top of +6 to each attribute (and shield as well, but that's pretty much irrelevant). With a full unga bunga stat block with it, you can easily one shot anything in the game

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Except in both 1 and 2 the main threats are from single targets, which guardian is more efficient at dispatching.
          That is what Force Kill is for.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >*is a Light Side yandere in your path*

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"EXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILE!" Kreia shook the Ebon Hawk as she calmly scolded the Exile through the force
    >"DID YOU PUT 5 CREDITS INTO THE GOBLET OF HOMELESSNESS?" Kreia's query splitting the Exile's brain into pieces
    >"It may help him - if nothing else but to survi-" The Exile mentally stammered in response
    >"AND WHAT IF BY SURVIVING HE BRINGS A GREATER DARKNESS UPON ANOTHER?!" Kreia bellowed with a gentleness greater than the detonation of the Mass Shadow Generator
    >"And what if it doesen't?" The Exile meekly replied as he collapsed to the floor
    >"THE FORCE BINDS ALL THINGS,THE SMALLEST TOUCH SENDS ECHOES THROUGH THE FORCE, EVEN AN ACT OF KINDNESS HAS MORE SEVER REPRECUSSIONS THAN YOU KNOW! BY GIVING HIM WHAT HE HAS NOT EARNED ALL YOU HAVE HELPED HIM BECOME IS ANOTHER TARGET, AND IN THE END ALL YOU WILL HAVE WROUGHT IS MORE PAIN! THAT IS MY LESSON TO YOU" Kreia's tender tutoring giving the Exile an aneurism
    >" I will consider what you have said." The Exile gasped as he jammed a life support pack into himself
    >"That is all I ask." Kreia said as she gave another 50 influence points to Jedi Jesus

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      She said calmly

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      excellent

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Heh

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what was Kreia’s relationship with the Sith Assassins?

    The game establishes that they serve under Darth Sion, but at the Trayus Academy, the implication seem to be that they’re taking orders from her.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did you skip the scene where she shows up as Trayus and Sion immediately becomes her bitch again

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just be manipulative and self reliant and she'll love you

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    George Lucas is a hack fraud who just wanted some good vs. evil shit with no nuance and depth and honestly I appreciate that sort of media sometimes. Kreia just feels like Chris Avellone's mouthpiece to shit on the world.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      George Lucas actually puts a lot of nuance in his work, you just failed to see it because you havent watched the movies since you were a kid or you are retarded...

      George couldn't make a character as subtle as Kreia because the movies have to last 1 or 2 hours you fucking nitwit that doesn't mean there's no nuance or subtlety in his movies...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kreia, I feel, is the sum of multiple characters throughout Lucas’ films.

        I feel Kreia is what would happen if you took Qui Gon Jinn, Palpatine and OT era Obi-Wan and put them in a blender.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Lucas' plans for the ST dating back to the 80's was to have some metaphysical outlook on The Force and how it affects the galaxy and even the universe

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >metaphysical outlook on The Force
        Didn't it involve a group of beings called the Whills messing with everything

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like a lot of people's grace for these games at the time was based on the idea that they were refining ideas that would be used to improve another game further down the line
    Now that it's obvious videogames are in a terminal stage with improvements coming from stupid shit like raytracing, you can't just forgive old stupid decisions because they're temporary limits in a rising medium

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Influence Gained: Kreia
    >Influence Lost: Kreia
    >Dark Side points gained
    >Light Side points gained
    >Net Dark Side shift

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always ignore all of her teachings. Go full dark side just for the fun of it. Corrupt and train the handmaiden. And always tell the old crone to keep her opinions to herself. There truly is no greater insult then to ignore the depth of her character because she's annoying.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Single hilt, double bladed or dual wield?

    What’s your lightsaber preference?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A gun

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      double blade at first then switch to two when you have enough high end crystals to make two good ones

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He uses a lightsaber in KOTOR games.

      AHAHAHAHAHA. OH NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. LAUGHT AT THE RETARD, EVERYONE!

      no but seriously. baragwin assault blade for kotor 1 and sith tremor sword for kotor 2. equip a lightsaber in other hand so you can force jump and deflect bolts etc.

      God, does anyone here even played the games?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >using any of the DLC items except the catsuit (for Mission)
        >using a vibroblade instead of a lightsaber in II and missing out on lightsaber forms
        >using an offhand weapon that isn't twin lightsabers
        >using an offhand lightsaber instead of taking Force Deflection
        Based absolute retard, I salute you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Single hilt, but then I always crack and go for two for the upgrades.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Single blade, yellow. And in JO/JA, medium stance. For my boy, Yun. RIP.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never played the game. What should a man do to get her in his bed?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Indignities

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Be a general

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    only played the 2nd game, how was the first game?

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    She didn't actually give a shit about what choices you made, light or dark, good or bad, only that you made the choices to please yourself, and not because someone else influenced you, her included. She keeps shitting on your choices to reinforce your resilience to other people influencing you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      She calls Dark Side Exile a complete gay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        She calls Light Side Exile a complete gay, too.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          she really doesn't
          she's nice to intelligent darkside but if you just automatically chose evil babymurderer opinions at every decision node she calls you a shitter

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kreia likes it when you do Dark Side options as long as you aren’t being psychotic and edgy for the sake of it. She seethes if you kill the council members, but only because you denied her of her revenge.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        She was just bitching because she thought you were on the same path as Scion or Nihilus, even if you simply say "I don't think I'll be at peace until the Sith stop hunting me." At the end of the game she's satisfied for you to take over the academy.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From the last Kreia thread a few days ago. I can't help but imagine Sara Kestelman's voice while reading the comment

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that pic
      redditors can be some next level stupid.
      Lots of landlords rent below market value because having consistent clean tenants who don't cause issues can be much cheaper than a revolving door of drugged out felons

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so tired of all of this retarded morality dick-measuring on the internet, Jesus Christ, it's all so fucking dumb and predictable.

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