Is AI anti-cheat the holy grail of fair gaming? Just five minutes to detect and permanently ban a cheater?

Is AI anti-cheat the holy grail of fair gaming? Just five minutes to detect and permanently ban a cheater? I mean PERMANENTLY, it collects your biometric data so even if you buy a new account you'll just get banned again. As a non-cheater, I love this idea.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >walk similarly to a cheater
    >money stolen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OY VEY GOY JUST LEARN TO WALK LIKE A HUMAN. you're just a bot aren't you goy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beep boop system has detected you have [brown eyes] this feature is shared with a banned account. Locking system.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate tech bubbles.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >play too well
    >play too abnormally
    >start playing better than you normally do
    >flick your mouse too fast
    >banned forever with an esoteric and fallible method to make sure you never play again
    >developer will endlessly tinker the sensativity to fight false positives and forever allow real hackers to go through
    LoL, Lmao.
    You should be fine with someone watching everything you do over your shoulder all day and comment on what you do. As someone who has nothing to hide, I love this idea.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the death of client side server hosting
      >kernel level anti-cheats take over because people have an aneurysm every time someone cheats in a multiplayer game
      >demand rises
      >now people want biometrics and AI anti-cheat
      jesus christ

      >be dev
      >automatically flag user that have high headshot rate as cheater
      >run algorithm to detect if the cursor is locking to the enemy's head all the time
      Ezpz, most of the hackers are gone.
      Only left are those using a more premium hacks that simulate human mouse behavior
      But they are too lazy to even do this simple check.

      er... yes, anon, and if you're interested in our ai anticheat then i have a bridge to sell you

      >aimbotters use evolving AI cheat to more and more closely imitate just being a really good player
      >eventually normal players start getting false flagged because the cheat AI got close enough to the goal of imitating them
      >have to deliberately play bad to avoid being banned for life
      But that last part won't be a problem for OP, he does it naturally

      Salty cheaters are scared. THEY'RE SCARED!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        their terror campaigns are coming to and end and they are pissing and shidding themselves kek meanwhile we can just sit back and watch the tears flow kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >meanwhile we can just sit back and get our money stolen because of an error.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your "error' was in cheating, Raul. you can chose to stop doing it at any time.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Your "error' was in looking like you were cheating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just happen to make hundreds of humanly impossible micro adjustments over 10 minutes
                >trust me bro i was legit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all cheating is physical software hacks
                >no other type of cheating exsits

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cheaters always act in a way that's different to legit players. It's why csgo overwatch was so good lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you must conform to the approved play style
                The best part is, you can train an AI on AI anti cheat so it learns how to avoid detection.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"Looks like he's cheating."
                >"Ok, ban him"
                Is it really you just want some way to beg for your account to a human when you do get caught? That's what it sounds like.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anti-cheat gays like you are basically
        >I'm a corporate cuckold yes daddy frick me harder with rootkits
        you'd sell your house and give up your wife if it led to "owning the cheaters"
        truly pathetic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go dilate gay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A cheater impacts me less than rootkits with kernel access or a corporation recording my voice to train a bot that bans consumers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As long as you don't have 99% heads hot accuracy you'll be fine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right? There is no way this can be wrong. It's doubleplusgood!

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the death of client side server hosting
    >kernel level anti-cheats take over because people have an aneurysm every time someone cheats in a multiplayer game
    >demand rises
    >now people want biometrics and AI anti-cheat
    jesus christ

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>now people want biometrics and AI anti-cheat
      Well, what I WANT is for people to stop cheating. But they won't, will they. And if they're going to use AI to cheat in the future then Ai anti-cheat will be necessary just to keep up. None of you are good enough to have to worry about you getting kicked for "being too good" but if that's how you want to cope then so be it. You're nothing without your hacks, kid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why don't you advocate for the return of self hosting where this isn't necessary and owners/admins can just ban the cheater instantly?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We've been trying to get true dedicated servers back for 20 years, but the corporations both misunderstood the request (publisher-hosted servers instead of community dedicated servers) and didn't want to give up their control (and piss poor automated policing methods).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, I remember the good 'ol days of the konami code, but that totally goes against "le gamer ethos" against cheating nowadays right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cheating in a singleplayer game literally doesn't matter. Stop being a Black person online

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >calls me a Black person
            >wants top down kernel level anti-cheat to Black personman me
            stfu

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wants top down kernel level anti-cheat to Black personman me
              Yeah, I want to see you cheater Black folk cope and seethe

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why would an AI anticheat need kernel access? All it would do is analyze your game inputs. Wouldn't it be a good thing if it killed shit like Vanguard?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cheating in single player doesn't matter
            Here are a few reasons companies disagree with you
            >season passes
            >cosmetics dlc
            >'pay-to-not-grind' as a smokescreen for p2w
            >achievements
            >un-approved modding
            This anti-cheat will be used in single player games.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >season passes
              >cosmetics dlc
              >un-approved modding
              Involves no one but the single player
              >pay-to-not-grind' as a smokescreen for p2w
              A cancer
              >achievements
              achievement hunters was a thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you, perhaps, tried cheating yourself?
        You should sometime. It's fun.
        and an AI will, 100%, permaban people for being too good because they get reported as cheating.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I only play a few games online and easily get the most kills. I don't cheat because I don't need to. and by "need" I mean you hate yourself and know you're inferior to most people and it eats at you and it makes you do shit like cheat in a game to make yourself feel big and important. I understand why you do it. I have only pity for you and your kind. Believe me, playing with people is really only fun with other white people. It's embarrassing that we keep kicking you away and you keep crawling back for more. I finally really understand some parts of Shogun now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cheaters are the cancer of multilayer games.

      I hope all games start using AI anti cheat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >loser is bad at game and gets ours killed. Reports them as a cheater

        >loser hates that people in gta are money hacking and not buying shark cards like a good little npc consoomer

        Yeah we know why you don’t like “cheating”.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. cheater

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anti-cheat (aka rootkits) are the cancer of multiplayer games

        better than a hardware ban. losers that cheat in competitive games need the rope.

        >hardware bans
        can't wait for a new form of griefing to begin with the bait morons into buying a new CPU challenge

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >now people want
      consensus manufacturing all the way down, baby
      it's about selling the illusion so that herd mentality makes it self-fulfilling and self-reinforcing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>the death of client side server hosting
      because israelites want to sell you subscriptions, lootboxes, virtual clothes, and battle passes. and to stop you from modding the game to make new game modes that could compete with them (like CS, DotA, Ricochet, etc. did).
      rises
      no one asked for this shit. any and all anti-cheats are peddled by dishonest actors using it as smokescreen to justify powergrabs.
      the truth is there's no way to stop cheats. there are cheats that literally read the video feed from the screen via a camera and literally tap the phone's screen or send the same signals a mouse would. there's no way to stop this short of making people play at approved facilities designated by the company, using company-issued hardware.
      furthermore, if even the international competitions like the olympics can't stop cheaters (substance abuse, etc.), what makes you think some shady corpo that sells a game for children could ever hope to?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be dev
    >automatically flag user that have high headshot rate as cheater
    >run algorithm to detect if the cursor is locking to the enemy's head all the time
    Ezpz, most of the hackers are gone.
    Only left are those using a more premium hacks that simulate human mouse behavior
    But they are too lazy to even do this simple check.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only left are those using a more premium hacks that simulate human mouse behavior
      that's a basic feature now

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    er... yes, anon, and if you're interested in our ai anticheat then i have a bridge to sell you

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >aimbotters use evolving AI cheat to more and more closely imitate just being a really good player
    >eventually normal players start getting false flagged because the cheat AI got close enough to the goal of imitating them
    >have to deliberately play bad to avoid being banned for life
    But that last part won't be a problem for OP, he does it naturally

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Or we could just go back to third party server hosting where any obvious cheaters could be removed by the owner or admins.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather take my chances with the AI. Mods and admin are susceptible to external forces that ignore cheaters at best and encourage it at worst. Sunnyvale is a perfect example.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >community server admin is a 16 year old transgender furhomosexual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is an awful lot of time and money to avoid dedicated servers.

      So why don't you advocate for the return of self hosting where this isn't necessary and owners/admins can just ban the cheater instantly?

      millenials and zoomers don't know how to use a server browser, your axing over half your playerbase. matchmaking exists for a reason.

      Why would an AI anticheat need kernel access? All it would do is analyze your game inputs. Wouldn't it be a good thing if it killed shit like Vanguard?

      cheats edit the memory directly you idiot

      >aimbotters use evolving AI cheat to more and more closely imitate just being a really good player
      >eventually normal players start getting false flagged because the cheat AI got close enough to the goal of imitating them
      >have to deliberately play bad to avoid being banned for life
      But that last part won't be a problem for OP, he does it naturally

      fps games should all have a soft aimbot by default like controllers. head shots should never be a 1 hit kill. game designers should prioritize strategy rather than blatant aim

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fps games should all have a soft aimbot by default like controllers.
        Always wanted to see the idea entertained, like a circle crosshair a few degrees wide that targets anything inside of it.
        Not that sloppy console aim assist shit, just a targeting ring or something like Goldeneye's vectorized autoaim that doesn't frick with your camera.
        >head shots should never be a 1 hit kill
        Should be the standard. In fact, frick headshots entirely.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It sounds like you should just stick with Goldeneye, boomer. You're slowing down in your old age.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >matchmaking exists for a reason.
        It'd be easy to create a system to make both people happy but they won't because they like the control they have over players to play the way 'they' see it should be played.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is an awful lot of time and money to avoid dedicated servers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Datamining users isn't as easy and reliable when you allow the users to host their own servers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably a NSA thing and companies arent allowed to talk about it by law

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would biometric data be able to detect you if you changed your mouse sensitivity by 0.01?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything that can be automated at least to an acceptable level (whatever that is) is going to be automated. Good luck if you get false-positive'd. No recourse for you!

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want an Anticheat that tells everybody the IP and home address of any detected cheatef.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think OP is a datamining glowie

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is AI anti-cheat the holy grail of fair gaming?
    Is anonymous posting the holy grail of attention-starved people? Just five seconds to fire off a shit thread with a ridiculous premise so that you get a cheap, fake imitation of interaction with other people?
    Verification not required.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this guy agrees it's gonna be awesome.

      >calls me a Black person
      >wants top down kernel level anti-cheat to Black personman me
      stfu

      You're a beaner. I can tell by how you reacted to being called a nog. A white person would have laughed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A white person would not enslave his system to government and publicly-traded slop companies

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          iI's emancipation, not enslavement. We don't want to play with you anymore, and we are going to make it reality. You will lose your hobby and money in the process, and I feel great about it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AI still likes to hallucinate in chatgpt or its other applications so im very skeptical it will be a fool-proof solution.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AI gait recognition has been around for more than a decade. it's the same principle just applied to a smaller scale based off m/kb movement.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >A white person would not enslave his system to government and publicly-traded slop companies

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >walk funny
    >currency revoked

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI Anti-cheat
    That combination of words alone should be an immediate red-flag for the worst idea ever, and you are a gay for even suggesting that this could be good.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    look bro. I have over 10k hours in DayZ. The game is noring as frick to me now and I'm just having fun not actually physically hurting anyone or committing a crime. you guys need to chill out. I'm practically forced to cheat at the game just to keep it fresh and find reason to on playing it another day. And any loot I get that I don't want I give to freshies so what's the fricking problem? You guys just like to b***h about everything or what? And like that other guy said there's kernels in there and it's dangerous I'm sure it's probably even illegal to ask an American to install that kind of stuff. I refuse.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This really has nothing to do with "AI". I've been advocating for irregular input detection as anti-cheat measure since 1999. Cheaters always do something fishy, no one tries to play exactly like a good player.

    Detecting weird actions is better than kernel anti-cheats. Bans need manual validation though.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they put kernel/ai anticheat in my game, I'm flaming devs.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uh oh cheaters. I guess you'll have to actually play the game now.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to implement "AI" machine learning stuff like it's reliable or efficient is a huge mistake.

    This is not to AI's strength of extrapolation and exploration. There will be more elegant detection methods that don't need vastly more processing resources.

    The idea that you want to permanently identify and ban players based on any methodology is also just disturbing. These are entertainment products and services, not signing up to work in school or government.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just stop cheating, please. Or don't. Either way I won't have to deal with it much longer. You're ruining my fun, so I'm ruining yours.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wasn't defending cheaters, just condemning overreach and poor methodology.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The idea that you want to permanently identify and ban players based on any methodology is also just disturbing
      They’re getting the framework in place to force gamers to stop going against the artificial culture

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I work as a dev at an AI company so hear me out on this.

    AI isn't the amazing marvel that people like you make it out to be. It's incredibly flawed and makes mistakes all the time. Implementing such a system simply means that a lot of people will be unfairly banned for no good reason.

    Please stop treating AI like a god.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a lot of people will be unfairly banned for no good reason.
      So nothing is going to change? That sucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I work as a dev at an AI company so
      yeah well I invented Ai and you're 100% wrong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        konnichiwa kojima chama

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats why you dont just use this
      you use this to detect potential cheaters and then run other more reliable tests on those players to confirm whether or not they are actually cheaters

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There has to be a button a human presses to finalize the ban. If nothing else then the company can say a human did the actual ban even if they just glanced at the metrics for a second. It's never going to be borderline cheating. Once it has enough data on how you play it it's 1000% more reliable than a human. people trust calculators and PCs everyday, this is nothing new.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Activision turned ricochet into an ai anticheat back in October and so far the only people it bans are rog ally/legion go users for daring to use a system with tdp throttling

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hand over biometrics
    >to play a fricking video game
    If you're in favor of this you should be burned alive while your loved ones watch.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, the obvious hope is that one day it can sense blacks and third worlders on the servers and insta-kick them. Why are you opposed to it?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can see this giving false positives for top tier pro players (lol most of them cheat who are we kidding)

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cheating isn't even that bad.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everytime they say PR shit like this it's usually investorspeak.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If anything, it'll be like the anti-bot measures of youtube and twitter. Legitimate users getting blocked because they act out of the norm, while bots are still running rampant.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. malding cheat maker

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >system that constantly monitorizes your gameplay
    Yeah, frick this shit, nevermind the cheating or no cheating part.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you're not cheating then you have nothing to fear

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >blindly trusting tech designed to make shit up
    >zero recourse or human oversight
    Honestly I don't see much of a difference between this and whatever bullshit reporting system we have now.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >say 逃げる!or 內個
    >AI permanently bans all japanese and chinese from the web
    >gaming industry reliant on all the money from china collapses
    im ok with this

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI detects trend in cheating
    >starts banning Chinese or Russian connections outright
    >system rogue, lobotomise it to not appear racist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual in charge of PUBG didn't want to region lock China because of racism
      What a gay.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    better than a hardware ban. losers that cheat in competitive games need the rope.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Valve has done this in CS:GO for about a decade now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, vac is just about detecting definite proof of a cheat on the pc
      Valve has spoken about AI style anticheat that requires lots of data to work but its not obviously implemented yet

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >biometric profiles to identify you across different accounts
    total bullshit

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would never work because it is way too efficient. Imagine banning all the cheaters and losing large chunks of your playerbase and the people boosting accounts with cheats. Many players gone and no more boosting services. Game dead and it's commercial relevance dead.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's strange seeing so many people defending it in this thread.
    There was something similar a while back when Lost Ark mistakenly banned tens of thousands of inactive accounts that hadn't touched the game since trying it for a couple hours at launch.
    An extremely discomforting fanboyism in the /vg/ threads where everybody was convinced that all 10k of those accounts that don't play the game must have cheated or bought RMT for those 3 hours they spent in the tutorial a year prior. "Our game is perfect, you're just mad got caught" cried the increasingly lonely moron trying to mask his sunk cost attitude in a dying game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good. They'll just make and sell accounts anyways. Ban anything that isn't a real, active player.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >quit playing game
        >steam account stolen
        interesting idea you have there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the west will be worse than the ccp if people don't wake up

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how long until we have ai on a separate computer playing on another

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Step 1: Be 17 years, 11 months and 30 days old
    Step 2: Obtain cheat for an online game protected by that "AI"
    Step 3: Get banned
    Step 4: File a data deletion request under the GDPR because you were a minor when the data was submitted
    Step 5: Wait a month for the game company to process your request
    Step 6: Create a new account, check to see if you are still banned. If you are, go to step 7
    Step 7: Sue the game company for not deleting your personally identifyable data

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