Is HDR just a meme?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Right is better thought

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Thought
      american education system

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Though is better although

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe he's not American, maybe he is a guy from south America, who learned english all by himself, and by that he knows more language than you, Mr intelligent. Did you think about that, prick ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/W98tjU8.jpg

      They didn't make a standard when they released HDR. SRGB conversion and white point can make one game look good and frick up another.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >its brighter so it must be better!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      OP = homosexual
      first post = best post

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Left seems more atmospheric

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a meme if you don't have a 1000nits display

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      True

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >everything is blue instead of dark grey
    >WOW WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      t. Zoomer that grew up with piss filters instead of Crayola 64

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've never seen an actual HDR monitor, as in 1000+ nits, proper color calibration, many dimming zones or oled, etc, so I couldn't tell you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Watch youtube HDR videos on your phone.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have 4000nits display 1400dimming zones and hdr is great.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's what people tell me.
        It seems to be quite the game changer at the high end, but anything cheap advertising itself as "HDR" is bound to look like shit, like

        Everything under 600-700 nits will be total shit with hdr, and you absolutely cant buy a monitor brighter than 300 nits for 320 bucks

        pointed out.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >4000 nits
        homie, you are going to burn your eyeballs

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, because it's not on Linux.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It kinda is if you are willing to jump onto some wip stuff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It (barely) is though, if you don't mind jumping through a lot of hoops.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It kinda is if you are willing to jump onto some wip stuff

      It (barely) is though, if you don't mind jumping through a lot of hoops.

      What's the deal with this? Is it some hardware DRM shit or is it just not readily available?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The code is not readily open source due to licensing, it conflicts with Linux open source nature. Think of how HDMI 2.1 VRR is a b***h to get working on Linux while it's simple on DP.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >HDR10 is an open and royalty-free standard
          I don't get it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's open but it doesn't mean it's easy to implement. there's still licensing to go through.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          "Hardware" DRM was the wrong term, but I figured it was some shit like this.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Basically seeking a standard between a bunch of companies is hard, and until recently HDR monitor were a big meme. I think the main players trying to get HDR working currently are valve and red hat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Works on my machine. But refresh rate is locked at 60hz on gamwscope-session and I can't figure out how to let me change it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >X is Y but I can't figure out how to change it
        sounds like everything in linux

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda depends more on how the game implemented the HDR. Tbh rarely any games use it properly except for a few like the dead space remake. Playing that game on a 4k oled hdr TV is rpetty kino.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a meme on non-oled displays because it'll wash out everything and make light bleeding 1000x worse.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have genuinely no idea what display HDR is supposed to do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It makes bright colors and lights much brighter. You can't really see it without an HDR compatible display but it's very noticeable with light sources, it makes them really pop out in a way a non-HDR display can't. Games still look fine without it though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have a cheapish tcl tv but the first game to make me notice it was anthem, the absolutely bright explosions made me go "wow"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The HDR display (NOT to be confused with HDR graphics setting), are meant to able to display a higher range of colors and help to avoid many darker or bright scenes from being complete blown out, losing much details in the process.

      Basically dark scene won't just look like Doom 3, and you actually seen objects in bright scene instead of just being flashbanged.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        bit daft that video.
        What it doesn't explain is that he's compressing the dynamic range of the brightness to compensate for the limited brightness of his SDR screen, which is around 350-450 nits.
        HDR is doing the opposite. It doesn't need the dynamic range compressed. You're getting the full dynamic range of blinding bright specular on black backgrounds.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What I'm doing is to first compress the maximum brightness and then switch back to the normal video

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            what? You're still limited to the SDR maximum brightness. All that video is doing is blowing out the contrast.
            Look at a real burning candle and then look at a glossy magazine photo of that same candle.
            They may look alike, but one has a high dynamic range while the other has a low dynamic range.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It seems like you don't really know what's going on.
              The video is very clear and you're making shit up about the content.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You just don't understand...
                I understand more than the both the idiot on the video and you, apparently.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I understand more than the both the idiot on the video and you
                >You're still limited to the SDR maximum brightness
                SDR maximum brightness is pure white.
                SDR minimum brightness is pure black.
                How that looks like is dependent on your TV/Monitor.
                The difference between ''HDR'' and ''SDR'' are the brightness steps inbetween. 10bit vs 8 bit.

                The video isn't claiming to make a high contrast OLED out of a shitty LCD and it isn't demonizing OLEDs.
                It's about the HDR marketing label, that many (you) get confused by.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >SDR maximum brightness is pure white.
                >SDR minimum brightness is pure black.
                A 200nit screen showing a full 100% while level isn't going to have a white bright level of a 1000nit screen showing the same 100% white level. Try it yourself on your monitor. Turn your brightness to 100% and then to 20%. Are they the same? No. So how is a 200-300 nit screen vs a 1000nit screen going to be the same?
                >The video isn't claiming to make a high contrast OLED out of a shitty LCD and it isn't demonizing OLEDs.
                It's about the HDR marketing label, that many (you) get confused by.
                shut up you fricking moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The difference between ''HDR'' and ''SDR'' are the brightness steps inbetween. 10bit vs 8 bit.
                also how those steps are distributed, linear vs log
                in SDR if you brighten the display up, everything gets bright and your eyes will fricking hurt if you look at it, in log when you brighten shit up the highlights gets bright first, but rest of the image stays still within a watchable range

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah

                >A 200nit screen showing a full 100% while level isn't going to have a white bright level of a 1000nit screen showing the same 100% white level. Try it yourself on your monitor. Turn your brightness to 100% and then to 20%. Are they the same? No. So how is a 200-300 nit screen vs a 1000nit screen going to be the same?
                dude
                >How that looks like is dependent on your TV/Monitor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think what you're confused about is perceptual brightness. You're almost right but you're missing a crucial detail.
                "How that looks like is dependent on your TV/Monitor"
                Yeah... but also no... The point of HDR is to stop that happening as much as is reasonably possible. The idea is to STANDARDISE brightness. (Except we created like 4 standards of HDR, but let's put that aside for now.)
                You are right about SDR: min brightness is as dark as the TV can go, max brightness is as high as the TV can go and what that range is depends entirely on the TV. But only on SDR TVs. HDR TVs do not do this.
                With HDR this range was given a standardised range of values so that SDR max was defined as say 250nits. If your TV can go to 500nits, SDR max would STAY at 250nits unless you fricked with the settings to blow out the contrast. HDR gives the source material more headroom to go beyond 250nits. To go brighter than SDR max as well as improve color gradients within the regular range.
                The confusion happens because technology isn't there yet to display the full HDR range and so both source and display have to compress the range to what they can display and this leads to highly inconsistent results. There are professional monitors with fan assisted heatsinks that can display the full HDR range for extended periods of time but it's somewhat pointless to master your content for a display 99.9999% of the population can't have. Instead you do a "best effort" to match the HDR standard you're mastering for, but test it on various common TVs to make sure it doesn't look like shit.
                It also doesn't help that people frick with the TV's display settings until they blow out the HDR gamma curve so that it looks dimmer than their fricked up SDR curve, but consumers gonna consume.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Pure black is simple, but what does pure white means? Is it just pure white colour, no addmixtures from yellow or blue e.t.c. or does brightnes of that white comes into the pure-ness or what? Is it still pure white with low nits?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Is it still pure white with low nits?
                Depends on your eyes. I'm sitting in a dark room and set my monitor brightness to 0 and the textbox sure as frick is white until I turn on the lights.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think the DV spec at least is designed with 1000nits in mind, with lower peak nits resulting in reduced gamut

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        everything in that video is wrong
        hdr is simple, light brightness can go to infinite, to the point you are staring at a laser that will fricking burn your eyes out
        in normal Standard Range brightness is capped by the camera sensor, in HDR just allows bigger range of brightness that allows to reproduce effects of bright objects

        obviously you dont want for your tv to make your blind or set your room on fire with te brightness of the sun, but the current range of displays is very low, and only recently started to get better

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >everything in that video is wrong
          You don't contradict a single thing. Camera tech is outside of the scope of the video.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Misleading picture.
          Both traditional SDR TVs like CRTs and HDR-Compatible Displays like OLED are capable of displaying pure black, let alone night skies and full moons.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR just turns the contrast up to 100 and that's it lol what a scam

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      with SDR white sunlight is the same colour as white paper.
      with HDR white sunlight is bright and paper isn't
      For eg. Elden Ring on a 1000 nits display, the little glowing magic spells actually can dazzle you and look like those bright LED lights. In SDR they look like blue blobs on the screen.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >with HDR white sunlight is bright and paper isn't
        but your eyes will adjust to the sun and you'll not see the paper white anyway

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Found the moron

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    complete meme on anything but self-emissive TV's
    every monitor (ips, VA, TN) that advertises it is just for marketing
    even the new OLED monitors are just too dim to be worth using

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Get nice Samsung 4k TV with HDR to use as monitor
    >dim as shit
    >HDR works but is hardly noticeable when playing games
    >had to upgrade windows to even use it in games
    >awful fricking backlight bleed ruins the display within a year

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Get nice Samsung 4k TV with HDR to use as monitor
      You bought a shit one. Not a nice one. idiot

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >bought a shit one
        ya no shit idiot thats what my post was about

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I bought a nice one
          >but I meant it was shit. You just don't get humour, lolzers

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Came here to call you a Black person

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >dim
      I wonder what might be the problem they have fricking 1500 nits tv for 1k lmao, how could you frick up

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      People often saying "nice" or "expensive" fail to understand that not every tv or monitor has actual HDR features. Most of them have fake HDR where they brighten the whites and contrast adjust the rest, making it look like washed out shit.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >judging hdr by screenshots
    IQ measurement required

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, I... You do realize that to actually judge the difference you need a HDR capable screen (and a good one at that) and HDR content, right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He's talking about game hdr not screen hdr.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You need a hdr screen to see hdr in game tho

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          while true, the colormapping of game hdr is often fricked up which OP is making fun of

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why do zoomers hate shadows and dark colors

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Night is scary for a lot of children.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it's excellent on oleds

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite use of HDR has to be in this collection of movies. It has so many shades of black, white, and gray that it increases the detail to unreal levels.
    Newly made movies like Puss in Boots look really cool in HDR as well.
    As for games, there's definitely a difference, but it really depends on the game.
    Windows 11 has an AutoHDR feature that seems to make my eyes hurt after awhile

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      cyberpunk 2077 on an HDR display is another good showcase of the technology.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Touch of Evil 4k is brilliant along with Pyscho along with double indemnity, citazen kane, saboteur and shadow of a doubt. B&w looks amazing in 4k hdr.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm about to pull on A95K just to watch kino in 4K HDR. Those old movies were shot on 35mm film which has real resolution of ~4K. So basically there was no better time for a home cinema as you can actually experience movies even in better quality than when they were shot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >not going for qn90b
        Ngmi

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's okay I have a job.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Those old movies were shot on 35mm film which has real resolution of ~4K
        I thought the real "resolution" of 35mm was considered somewhere around 8k

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          In practice it depends on a bunch of factors, including the film stock, the lenses, processing and so on. Technically it probably has a lot more than that under perfect conditions, but in practice, and especially for older movies, once you get past 4K the biggest difference you're going to get is sharper grain, not so much actual image detail.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well, that makes sense.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I bet those look incredible in HDR

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >grey filter VS blue filter

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I notice a big difference and I think HDR usually looks much better. only time I had to turn it off was for resident evil village. no matter my hdr setting that game always looks either too dark or too bright with hdr.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Buy monitor for 320 bucks
    >Is capable of 2K, HDR and 160 fps

    >Switch to 160 fps
    >Nice
    >2K is always on
    >Active HDR
    >Somehow every color is fricked in Fiorefox and Windows

    Somebody knows why?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Everything under 600-700 nits will be total shit with hdr, and you absolutely cant buy a monitor brighter than 300 nits for 320 bucks

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I bought this one for $200 two months ago and it's 400 nits. A similar quality LG monitor is on sale regularly for the same price.

        https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0949KL83T?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fricked up how? Like washed out? That's fairly normal when activating windows auto HDR. Just shut it off and turn it on when you're going to play a game. You can press Windows key+alt+B to toggle it on and off.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Like washed out?
        Yes
        >Just shut it off and turn it on when you're going to play a game. You can press Windows key+alt+B to toggle it on and off.
        We live in 2023 why cant Windows adapt to HDR? Is this a technical problem or what do i miss here?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Are you really surprised of Microsoft bring incompetent

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Somebody knows why?
      Yes. HDR and SDR have different colour profiles. You're only meant to turn HDR on while watching HDR content. You can adjust Windows to sort of match SDR brightness but the colours won't match up and it'll look odd and you'll see extreme banding etc.
      Turn HDR off until you play a game in HDR, then turn it on before you launch the game.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        PlayStation 5 has an automatic turn on when supported feature.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Some games also have that on Steam, but some don't. Returnal and the RE4 demo require you to turn it on beforehand.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. But I'm replying to a post talking about Firefox browser running in Windows

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wild hearts starts in SDR even though that 'on when supported' mode is active on my ps5, and then when I switch it to HDR it's much worse. Had to disable it for that game, they fricked up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Post your monitor model. It most likely doesn't have HDR. It's like claiming 4k resolution but you just stretch the image.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      HDR doesnt actually work for sub-1k € monitors because they lack contrast & brightness and you're better off just using sdr on those.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Current operating systems don't support HDR, you have to enable it only before launching the game or watching a movie. Yeah, moronic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You need to calibrate your monitor. Make sure you have the latest drivers installed for your specific monitor and find the Windows HDR calibration app and use it

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is indeed a meme and is just there to brick your TV faster. consume.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not really.
    On a purely technical term, HDR is a real thing. The implementation is questionable.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ligma test

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only meme is SDR and nothing changes that fact, not even the poor turdworlders here screeching about it.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you pretty much need an Oled or the most expensive VA panel you can get to see it. This tech came out prematurely. Most Tv's nowadays support Hdr but can't actually display it. That shit is only there to keep prices high.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In theory HDR is good, but in practice it's a meme. For one, there's no real standard for it. Like 95% of shit advertised as "HDR capable" is fake and gay and not actually HDR at all. Then there are the problems of implementation where it's not standardized so it totally comes down to the individual game/movie/whatever whether it's implemented properly or looks like shit. Then there are issues like how HDR on any form of LCD is a fricking joke because local dimming zones are required and fricking suck. Which leaves OLED as the only real option, but OLED sucks even more unless you're a dumb goyslop consoomer who thinks it's totally cool to pay a couple grand on a screen just for it to develop burn-in a couple years later and then need to go out and buy a new expensive OLED all over again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What HDR monitor do you own?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Burn in
      You could have just said you're a complete moron at first, I wouldn't have bothered reading this shit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, anyone who uses the terms " goyslop consoomer" is a moronic coping poorgay

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you're right, technically it's organic compound degradation.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sir, fyi full array qled was invented

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i watched mulan in 4khdr the other day and that shit was kino

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, but your image is
    HDR allows white light to look like it does on a CRT

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no, its actually a great improvement, more noticeable than 4k

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah no

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >vasline games

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I turned it off on my monitor because everything looked blown out and bright. Especially reds. I tried to adjust it but I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to color and stuff. It looks fine in sdr to me. Could just be my monitor has bad hdr I don't know.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, if it’s blown out bright it’s probably just not calibrated well
      Bad HDR is dull mostly

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Your monitor is probably ~400nits, which is about a third of what you need for HDR to look good. Honestly, it's not even worth calling it HDR.
      Good HDR monitors cost a couple of thousand.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Devs and movie maker have full control on how the image will look
    >Strap a dozen filters on top to improve it
    I'll never get it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hdr is not a filter?

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is cancer

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Good graphics are a meme

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    in my experience on most games it looks like shit
    but on demos eg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Dru5y3ROc hdr looks good and sdr like smeared shit

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no, but no gaming monitors can do good HDR

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      By no gaming monitors I’m going to assume you mean yours doesn’t

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Can monitors really go higher than 700 nits

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yup

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Holy frick

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >no certification
            it's over.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >43" monitor
            >can't tilt
            How do you even use that thing? Do you move your head the whole time?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no you dumb frick, IPS cant do hdr, 99% of top end gaming monitors are IPS or VA
        you got like 5 oled monitors that will burn in, and will give you eye cancer from all the ghosting

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is that there is no standard or presets to adjust the HDR to the artistic vision. So you are basically lost in what should be the proper look.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the even bigger issue is that if the game dosnt render in hdr space then then some gimmicky real time conversion will be about as good as those shitty post 3d movies we were fed 5 years ago
        most games do linear space rendering both for accuracy and for better framerate

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you know they just keep making shit up so you buy new product right?

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hdr doesnt work like that. You also cant really showcase hdr on sdr display anyway. Dolby Vision on OLED is amazing. I love watching old movie 4k conversions with proper hdr

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it looked good with RE7 on my gigabyte G27Q but every other game seems to look worse with it on, even other RE engine games.

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If they want it to have the colors on the right they can make it have the colors on the right.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s an image trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to explain what hdr does so people with an sdr monitor can understand
      But it does it completely wrong, think of HDR like being able to see light more realistically

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, way bigger impact then RTX.
    The problem is that even mid range monitors really suck at it, so "poor" gays think hdr is a meme.
    1k+ tvs/monitors make it shine, and if you disable it you cant imagine that you used to be okay with non hdr.
    It really is day and night and its not like op's picture at all. Thats over saturation, thats not whay hdr does

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i must be really dumb,
    because i don't get hdr.
    yes, colors are more saturated, but that's it.
    but it doesn't look better, i have watched guides
    that to actually make it look good, you have to calibrate the hdr.
    i did and still looks, normal + saturated.
    but my ps4 pro, was running hotter, and sounding like a jet.
    the only one that i can say, made a improvement was shadow of the tomb raider,
    because it made the dark part, less dark.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s an image trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to explain what hdr does so people with an sdr monitor can understand
      But it does it completely wrong, think of HDR like being able to see light more realistically

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It’s an image trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to explain what hdr does so people with an sdr monitor can understand
        But it does it completely wrong, think of HDR like being able to see light more realistically

        but isn't raytracing trying to do the same, but better?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, not really. HDR is beter colour, rtx is better path of rays from lighting object and reflections

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >i must be really dumb,
      >because i don't get hdr.
      You might be, but it's also just as likely that your display is crap and/or completely off calibration in both SDR and HDR. Also not all developers have completely figured it out yet, and in some cases they've been using duct tape to attach it to legacy engines that weren't really designed for it from the ground up. The result is that it's still the wild west in how and how well HDR is presented across different games.

      Here's my attempt at an HDR for dummies explanation:
      HDR is not about everything being brighter, it's about being able to be brighter when it needs to.
      HDR is not about everything being more saturated, it's about being able to be more saturated when it needs to.

      In an environment where all the variables like display, game engine, room brightness and so on were properly used, controlled and calibrated, an HDR and SDR image of the same game should have a fairly similar base image, but any strong light sources would be brighter and show more detail in HDR, and any strong colors, like neon lights, would be more saturated and show more detail in HDR.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Colors are more saturated
      Then you are using a shit tier hdr panel that pumps shit up to compensate for how shit it is.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You have a shit monitor.
      I owned one of those 4k 2.5k expensive monitors and its hdr was fantastic, but I scaled down to a midrange 3440 monitor. It was still $700, but the hdr was still fricking trash.
      You need oled or a fald display, then you know the brand took hdr seriously. Otherwise its just as simple "the monitor understands the signal"

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. But you have to have a decent display and proper calibration for it to look good. Most monitors blow at HDR except some of the newer OLED ones.

    It's hard to really represent since you have to see it for yourself. You can take HDR screen shots but they are in a specially format.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    None of those images are in HDR, you just upped the contrast abit

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Every game since HL2 is HDR internally.
    HDR screens just allow the games to represent the internal rendering better.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking if someone made a gif sliding levels in photoshop around on a HDR image and SDR image it would explain to everybody what HDR is.
    Since the HDR image would be as detailed no matter the brightness, but SDR would get overblown or turn into a black blob, im surprised nobody does the comparison like this.
    heres an example, only need better quality and normal image under it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You still need a HDR monitor to actually see it, so no other way to show it to nay-sayers but on an actual good HDR screen.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nah, you wont have to, since you will be showing it in slices in diffrent frames, in HDR every frame will look diffrent and detailed like in that gif, but in SDR every frame will look the same only darker and brighter to the point the compression will kill all detail
        not pefect representation but will show off the idea of logarithmic range

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That can be achieved by changing brightness and contrast and other settings, if you can recreate that on a non HDR tv its not a HDR. You are just showing a ugly sdr settings next to a better looking settings

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That can be achieved by changing brightness and contrast and other settings
            but it cant be
            you dont have the range of information to reproduce the effect with just contrast
            since 0 to infinity of log gets baked down to 0 to 1 rangeof linear, you lose up to 99,999999999999....% of information, you literally dont have it anymore in a normal image

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            here
            i took a hdr image, exported is as png, imported to same file and changed exposure, see how much detail was lost, it only gets worse the darker the image gets
            i could convert it into a gif, brighten up a bit, and since any display can do 0nits colors even if it cant do 1000 nits you will be able to see the loss of data even on a shitty ips that has 30%rgb color range and 200nits
            maybe i will do such gif for every time hdr gets brought up, but im kinda lazy to export 20 images one by one and importing them as animation

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >any display can do 0nits

              uhh

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      HDR in photography and HDR as TV term are different things.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Top looks like everything was photoshopped in lmao

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, but they both use log color range to store the image data ( assuming you are viewing real and not fake hdr )
        hdr images are the best way to explain hdr to somone who dosnt have a hdr display, they allow you to show on a sdr display how the extra detail in hdr works

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >HDR in photography and HDR as TV term are different things.
        It's the same underlying idea though, of having access to and displaying a greater range of image data/detail than would normally be possible. The major difference is that with HDR in common photography you use the greater range you get from the different exposures in a very fake/photoshopped way to try to present it all on a regular, limited monitor. Whereas with HDR displays you don't have to fake it, because the display is actually capable of showing that greater range natively.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Can someone explain where all the orange comes from? None of the source pictures have that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The orange is pure fantasy/photoshopping and has nothing to do with HDR.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            then why do I see more orange when I turn HDR on

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              In what context? Some random game? Could be different things:
              - In your case the orange may be part of the original data, but it is being washed out slightly by the conversion to SDR, so in HDR mode you get to see it as it should be.
              - The SDR and/or HDR modes on your display are not calibrated or close enough to reference.
              - The game handles HDR improperly.

              In that specific photo however it is 100% faked, someone just thought it looked nicer that way.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Enabling it via windows adds a very noticeable orange tint, recent games I've tried with it like DMCV and mass effect LE have it but not as bad. I assume it's just my display, I've messed with the settings before but didn't really follow any guide, just changed everything until I liked it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                In that case it's possible you have different white balance settings in SDR and HDR modes. Look around sites like rtings, they often post calibration settings on their display reviews. You should never copy any of the detailed settings where they mess with specific RGB values, but it might be helpful to get the display to a neutral baseline if you're not that familiar with what everything does.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do I need the ICC profile too? I just tried to install it and it's not showing up in color management when I add it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you don't know what you're doing I would avoid complicating things further with ICC profiles, I'm not super familiar with monitors as opposed to TVs, but I would try to stick to the basic settings that can be changed on the monitor itself.

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is good but 90% of monitors are fake-hdr so people think it's some placebo

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I got a Samsung QN94A and it looks amazing for HDR. In games though it has a local dimming issue that dulls the colour to keep blooming under control with bright objects in dark areas and it’s real fricking annoying. I’d like an OLED but i hear they have their own issues to some degree. It’s a case of picking your poison with TV’s and gaming ATM. Even this years TV’s ain’t perfect for games.

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is HDR 400 worth using?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's completely up to you, some people don't like it, some people think it's still a visual upgrade. If you already have a 400 monitor then just try it and see for yourself.

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have a LG C1 and its a huge deal changer. I pretty much play everything I can in HDR.

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is great and will be the standard in a few years but there still isn't a monitor or TV out there that can display no compromise 1000 nit HDR. FALD screens can go bright but have blooming and dimming zone flickers, OLEDs have the pixel perfect contrast but can't go over 500 nits on a decently sized area.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Those low Hz
      My condolences, for me that is one of the most important stuff, high frames

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >60 Hz
      Holy poorgay moment

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >muh framez

        Yeah I bet you're a pro CS gamer too

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't played in 60 Hz for a decade now, stop coping

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I have a C1 lmao

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              So get yourself a HDMI 2.1 cable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You do know with that GPU you could get most games runing at least 75 hz or higher

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'll stick to 30fps if I can max the graphics instead

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I had that cope on my old laptop too, minus the max graphics

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      LG C2 literally does 1000 nits.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        iirc it hits 700 max in tests, G2 gets closer to 1000 despite using exactly same panel because it's overclocked to shit and has heatsinks everywhere

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          youre right, i was misremembering

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah for 5 seconds in a 5% window before ABL kicks in and gimps that in half.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To be honest, it might take a few years for OLED to make full use of HDR. While flagship models are already good for HDR movies and gaming (peak brightness 1,000 nits+ this year hitting 1,300 nits at 65D), all OLED products still have flaws:

      >WOLED
      color luminance is still too low, even with MLA. BT.2020 range is still below 80%.

      >QD-OLED
      near blacks are bad: EOTF tracking either crushed or lifted, color rather greenish than black and dark gradients show banding

      Next step will be blue phosphor that might drastically increase brightness. Until RBG OLED will be viable for screen sizes bigger 48 inch, which will probably take longer than the mass production of microLED or at least real QNED, OLED will hit a wall probably sooner than later.

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a neet btw.

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How many monitor have true hdr right now. Like maybe 5 right?

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR on a 4k Oled TV is a fricking amazing gaming experience

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For 90% of games yes. For Uncharted 4 and Forza Horizon, no.

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what HDR and SDR even mean.

  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, since I can see the difference on a non-hdr screen.

  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I got an Sony x900e and games looks much better with hdr off. Probably because my tv is old? At the time it had good ratings.

  59. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I can't see any difference between 1080p and 4K, are HDR or OLED similar meme features that do nothing?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't see any difference between 1080p and 4K
      I genuinely think you need glasses

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I thought so too but I've gotten my eyes checked multiple times and I always have near-20/20 vision. I got glasses a time ago because my eyes hurt when reading sometimes but never use them. I've seen 4K tvs and I just don't know what is added. To me 1080p doesn't look blurry or anything, it's not like there are flaws that need to be fixed, y'know? So I'm not sure what improvement I'm supposed to be seeing with 4K.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Image should be sharper, and more details, while 1080p has bit softer and not as sharp image, lets say if you look at someones face on 4k you can really see the smallest detail

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But if I look at someone's face in 1080p it looks the same as in real life. Unless like the image has been compressed or something. There are no details missing that I can notice.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And if you squnt abit their faces look no different as in 480p, so why even go higher right? Lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because I don't squint in real life?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Start squinting and 240p will look like real life

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Why bother going to a higher resolution if the eye and brain can't receive/interpret more visual information?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your eye and brain maybe cant, i can see the difference and its decently huge

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Optometrist, now annon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The difference between 1080p and 4K is entirely dependent on your screen size/seating distance ratio. If you sit too far or your screen is too small, you're simple not going to be able to appreciate the increased resolution no matter how good your eyesight. HDR and OLED however do not really depend on that in the same way, perfect black level and greater contrast can be enjoyed regardless.

      Granted you may still be one of those boomer/zoomer types who can't tell the difference and are perfectly fine streaming movies in awful quality in 12 parts on Youtube, but if you have any standards OLED and HDR is a huge improvement.

  60. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's just really hard to compare SDR to HDR without looking like a moron or lying, since the people you need to convince still have SDR and thus you can't truly show them the difference. It's the same as how when you find "60hz vs 144hz monitor!" comparison videos it's usually like, 24 or lower fps compared to the same animation in 60fps, since if you compared 60 to 144 on a 60hz monitor they'd both effectively be 60fps.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, if you cant notice the difference between SDR and HDR you're either need to see a doctor or your monitor/TV is garbage. The difference is massive on my c2 55" OLED

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Please post your IQ and native language so I can correctly address your reading comprehension issues.

  61. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's really funny how poor most of this board is, as big of a loser as I am at least I have a woman and am not as poor as you lot

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >at least I have a woman
      My condolences. I'd rather be poor.

  62. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is only worth on OLED/QD-OLED screens.

  63. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Bought HDR compatible monitor last year
    >turn HDR on
    >everything is dark as frick
    >screen blinks when I alt-tab out of a game
    >turn off HDR
    >everything looks fine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >HDR monitor

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It happens because your screen is garbage for HDR. 99% of "HDR compatible" monitors just try to simulate HDR and they dont have enough nits to do proper HDR. The only screens that can do proper HDR are OLED/QD-OLED ones.

  64. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How to get the proper HDR experience as a better by a ex Brandsmart TV store employee expert myself:

    >Buy a TV that has at least 1000 nits of peak brightness (LG C1 OLED for example or high quality Mini LED from Samsung)
    >Calibrate the TV settings according to RTINGS.COM
    >Run Windows HDR Calibration tool from Windows Store if you're using a Windows PC it is a requirement
    >Play in a room that is well lit, not totally bright but not totally dark
    Congratulations you have the peak HDR experience, everything looks like real life now.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't c1 800nits?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        C1 55'' has 800 nits and c2 55'' has 850 nits.

        OLED can get away with lower nits because they have more dimming zones than other displays and every pixel can individually control itself. It's a perk of the tech but also a drawback as that's what allows burn in and wearing out colors.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      C1 55'' has 800 nits and c2 55'' has 850 nits.

  65. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    this thread reminded me to calibrate my new monitor for HDR
    thanks anons

  66. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hi guys let's make a definitive list of good and bad HDR games? I've only played a few. I'll start
    >Good
    Uncharted 4
    Dead Space
    Modern Warfare 2019
    Doom Eternal
    Forza Horizon 4
    Forza Horizon 5
    Ori Will of Wisps
    Halo Infinite
    Mass effect andromeda
    >Bad
    Cyberpunk 2077
    Red Dead Redemption 2
    Spiderman
    God of War
    Assassin's Creed Origins / any Ubisoft game
    Devil May Cry V
    Resident Evil 7
    Resident evil 2 remake
    Hitman
    Uncharted Lost Legacy
    Wo Long

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ghost of tsushima and GOW ragnarok HDR are pretty good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      RDR2 is not that bad if you turn on the "game" visual profile, which unlocks more range. The RE games, at least after the PS5 upgrades, are way better than regular SDR. DMC5 still kinda fricked though. The Decima games have pretty good HDR as well.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Good
      Returnal
      latest Gears of War, especially the expansion
      And Im pretty sure Cyberpunk and RDR2 got fixed long ago. Atleast for Cyberpunk I played through it with HDR and it was good 6 months ago.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      RDR2 looks fantastic on PC

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What exactly makes a game HDR good or bad? Most of the time it boils down to user preference.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        technical implementation

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You have to elaborate further with that. It's just a on/off for most games while others they have settings the user adjusts. Games with setting are not always good either.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            On my Samsung QN94A it can goto 1500nits in a game. So in SDR looking at the sun or a fire is bright but in HDR it’s super bright and still had dark details that aren’t blown out. It’s like having a max brightness flame on a wall right next to a dark doorway.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cyberpunk HDR is legitimately bad on OLED because they got the black values wrong. You need a mod to fix it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >What exactly makes a game HDR good or bad?
        Good HDR is when things light sources, fires, explosions, effects and specular reflections are much brighter, more saturated, and show more detail than in SDR, without making the rest of the image brighter as well, i.e. you want as much contrast as possible between light and dark. Preferably without having to mess around with a bunch of sliders to achieve it.

        In some games the brightness increase on these parts of the image is very small, so you don't get much of an HDR effect. In some cases, you can make it go brighter, but it also makes the rest of the image too bright as well, so in the end you don't gain anything. You would get largely the same effect playing in SDR and just increasing the display/monitor brightness. Sometimes you get a good contrast but things like lights reflecting on wet pavement like in

        here
        i took a hdr image, exported is as png, imported to same file and changed exposure, see how much detail was lost, it only gets worse the darker the image gets
        i could convert it into a gif, brighten up a bit, and since any display can do 0nits colors even if it cant do 1000 nits you will be able to see the loss of data even on a shitty ips that has 30%rgb color range and 200nits
        maybe i will do such gif for every time hdr gets brought up, but im kinda lazy to export 20 images one by one and importing them as animation

        doesn't actually show that additional detail you want, it's just a brighter blob of largely white. It all depends on the game engine, how many corners they've cut, how SDR-specific the pipeline is with their shaders and so on.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why is Uncharted 4 there? It doesn't have any HDR settings and just outputs up to 10.000 nits

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The expansion fixes it though and looks much better.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Uncharted 4 (PS5/PC)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Resident Evil 7 has the best HDR configuration. It has like five different ways to calibrate the gamma and brightness. I wish more games had this.

      Put Ori in Good btw, that lil homie blinds my retinas in a good way

      raytracing while technically amazing is a meme

      it can look good in specific situations, like physx when that first came out. As long as devs don't go full waxed mall tile mode, raytracing is nice.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sea of Thieves has amazing HDR. At night on the ship with all the lights off in the cabin is pitch black then you turn on a candle illuminating the room perfectly. Also the fireworks are really cool and vivid.

  67. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw only 350 nits

    Its over.

  68. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >that backlight

  69. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it me or hogarts legacy HDR is pretty bad even on a c2 OLED?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Im on a c2 oled too. Hdr's shit on that game.

  70. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  71. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is a meme yes.

    Dolby Vision is not. Makes the image look much better. Sony needs to support it like MS sooner rather than later.

  72. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's a corporate scheme to make streaming and video captures look like shit.

  73. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR10 in display allows vidya to use wider tonal range. Of course it's not a meme, it's obvious how it works and why it's beneficial. You want your bright day sky to be physically brighter than the ground it illuminates, you want sources of light to be significantly brighter than dark city without losing any detail both in darkness and in bright ares. However, vidya implementations are all over the place, some games look wonderful, some are so broken you're honestly better off disabling it (AC Origins).

    Got meme C2 recently. Damn, i sure missed those real blacks, it looks like entirely different image quality, and once you pair it with bright HDR lights in vidya, the result is just insane despite the fact that C2 isn't even all that bright for 2023 flagship standards.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need 1000 nits when you have infinite contrast, that's why it still looks great despite those OLED barely hitting 700nits on a small window on a good day.
      It's a matter of contrast. Those people claiming that 600nits is too low for HDR don't understand the whole story.
      Those TVs with a backlight need to hit >1000+nits for a similar HDR quality to OLED because they need the contrast to be higher between black and full white light. Despite the higher peak brightness, they still cannot beat the perfect contrast on OLED.
      They have FALD systems to create blacker black, but that also create input lag for games, that's another point in favor of OLEDs if you want HDR gaming. HDR game mode on those TV/monitors typically also have lower zone processing so that's more blooming and less contrast. And FALD are fricking expensive too. It's just a bad idea all around.

  74. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what's amazing is you can view the hdr screenshot on your normal screen. incredible right

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As long as there is no pure black to display, it's possible.

  75. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is because the average gays experience has been ruined by fake/crappy hdr that tv and monitors have been allowed to throw it on whatever.
    It just ends up making things look grey and washed out instead.
    Those who get the real experience know that it looks nice.

  76. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have an hdr display but how do I use it? There's a windows setting, but does that frick up content thats not hdr? Do I go to my monitors settings?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you're using Windows 11 download the Microsoft HDR Calibration tool from Windows Store and run it. Then just turn on HDR in your display settings. SDR and HDR should look great and Auto HDR should enhance old games.

  77. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Turning HDR on forces my monitor's brightness to be 100% which is fricking blinding. I keep it at 30% at all times.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. God forbid you play a game that does full screen flashes like counter strike.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's how HDR works, the display is set to 100% brightness, so that brightness can actually be available for the brighter pixels that need it. But what should happen is that everything else that doesn't need to be super-bright, like the desktop, should have much lower values in the video signal to compensate. Optimally, on a properly-working and calibrated setup, switching between HDR and SDR should have no major effect on things like the desktop or interfaces. I don't know how HDR is in Windows now, but it was a fair mess a few years ago so I mostly avoided it. It's so much simpler on newer consoles/TVs where everything is designed around it.

  78. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >"HDR is a meme"
    >"4k is a meme"
    >"Raytracing is a meme"
    when will poorgays stop complaining? It is 2023 ffs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      raytracing while technically amazing is a meme

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Raytracing is the same as HDR, it depends on implementation. Cyberpunk is amazing with raytracing. Dogshit like Control is terrible with raytracing.

  79. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes I started gaming on Xbox instead of PC because of HDR on my oled TV being that much better

  80. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is always shit when I enable it in games. Do I gotta enable it on both my monitor settings and in game to balance it correctly or something or is it just shit on PC?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      its just shit on PC. HDR is unironically better on console

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It works fine on Windows 11 you just need to

        If you're using Windows 11 download the Microsoft HDR Calibration tool from Windows Store and run it. Then just turn on HDR in your display settings. SDR and HDR should look great and Auto HDR should enhance old games.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >windows 11
          no thanks

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Then no HDR for you on PC

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              There's no reason for that configuration tool to be locked behind 11

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                windows 10 can't do hdr properly. its not the tools fault. wddm is older on Windows 10. upgrade your depreciated OS.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              guess i'll have to use my windows version Xbox UI for perfect HDR and keep my PC clean of all that shit that is windows 11

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's largely due to hdr being shit on monitors due to lack of standard enforcement and reliance on OLED, which I think has production issues at monitor size among other issues

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well I plan to grab a new TV and a Series X this year for Gamespass basement play so maybe Mass Effect LE will have tolerable HDR that way.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do it, a nice TV and series X makes games look amazing in hdr

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            TV I'm replacing has been there 13 years so saving for the LG C2 but that 65 incher is expensive and I got a new couch on my CC as well.

  81. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It IS good, but only at the highest end, so it's not yet worth it.
    Spending money on 400 HDR shit today is like the first fricker that spent like 5000$ on the first shitty plasma tv, or the first 4k TV.
    The only constant in tech seems to be that no matter what, early adopters always end up getting fricked.

  82. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    both look horrendus to be honest

  83. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought so until I experienced it on my LG C1 OLED TM

  84. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah if you're a poorgay coping with a cheap display

  85. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR and Atmos are only a meme to pc morons because they never have a good implementation. Meanwhile, my large 4k tv and 5.1.4 setup shits on all of your /r/pcmasterrace setups.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ofc a console only Black person is to stupid to realize you can just use a nice modern OLED TV for a monitor and enjoy nice HDR.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      based. PC cucks in shambles with their poor HDR implementation

  86. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't use freesync and HDR at the same time and I'd rather use freesync

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I can. But my denon receiver doesn't work with VRR even though it says it does. And I would rather have surround sound then VRR.

  87. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno. I have never saw true HDR

  88. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought HDR is incredible, even in it's rough early stages with games like Forza Horizon 3 the way the night sky and taillights popped was so cool to me. I really dont see the issue people have with it. It's a far more readily noticeable upgrade than 1080p to 4k at first glance.

  89. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is great. The problem is there are a bunch of shitty IPS and VA monitors that advertise HDR support without actually being able to produce the brightness levels and contrast that are needed for HDR.

  90. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That picture is moronic, you can't see HDR if you don't use an HDR display.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >what is HDR photography

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not the same.
        HDR photography capture details that would be crushed in the blacks or whites because the sensor wasn't sensitive enough.
        But you need an HDR display to show HDR content, that is content encoded in an HDR format with higher bit depth than normal displays, otherwise you would just crunch the details in the picture/video if you use an SDR display.

  91. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    On an OLED no it's fantastic
    You know those Capcom RE engine games with their washed out colors and low black level? On HDR that's completely fixed.

  92. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are CRTs HDR?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      no, as they're not processing 10bit image data and shit. CRTs are just SDR with near perfectly black blacks

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No, they only understand the traditional SDR type of signal. Though I'm sure in some obscure corner of Japan, someone at some point probably developed a prototype CRT with some kind of rudimentary HDR.

        They display whatever you feed them throught the analog cable, so with pic related something better than SDR could work with professional monitors.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Even if the signal is analog it still needs to be sent in a certain way, you can't just crank it up beyond specs and expect the display to act accordingly. I don't think there's anything that would technically prevent one from creating or perhaps modding a CRT to be capable of some kind of HDR, but I imagine the biggest problem would be to do an electron beam that could light up the screen with enough power, while simultaneously not burning your house down.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick is that and why?
          Theres no way whatever the frick that is provides any benefits over a normal cable.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Only for true black's IIRC.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, they only understand the traditional SDR type of signal. Though I'm sure in some obscure corner of Japan, someone at some point probably developed a prototype CRT with some kind of rudimentary HDR.

  93. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the dirty little secret with HDR on windows:
    A lot of games run in a limited-RGB container, but most GPUs and PCs default to full-RGB. The result is a washed out video.
    Any of you gays that play on a LG OLED, try changing your TV RGB to limited while keeping the GPU on full. You will see an IMMEDIATE pop in colors and erasure of the washed out image. Especially noticeable in Sony games like Uncharted 4 which I've been playing lately.
    But it isn't a perfect solution either because this workaround limits HDR brightness and I think crushes blacks slightly. But the image quality is so much better.

  94. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it's a meme for girls.
    The government creates a problem, "omg! it looks so bland and colorless!" on purpose. Then women go get excited for when they bring in the solution.
    If you can slice off the head of the satanic snake that broke the colors in the first place, then you can stop the whoring out also to gimick solutions like Camera shake, bloom, depth of field, controller only games on PC, and more. (They worship a prostitute woman).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      incel moment

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Go drown in the water as a pig, demon. Baptism saves demons too.

  95. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only time you ever want HDR is on an OLED or a MiniLED or something like that where pixel brightness matters. HDR otherwise makes so little difference, it's hard to notice that you even have it on.

  96. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fricking disaster. Using HDR on W11 is still a massive glitchy inconvenience. Also there are no proper HDR displays out today and for the foreseeable future (at least 6 years).

  97. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  98. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Games do look better but its just so fricking bright. I don't understand how people can use those 1000+ nit brightness panels. I find myself switching back to SDR with brightness set to 180 nits so my eyes don't get strained in the dark.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just because the panel is capable of 1000 nits doesn't mean you should increase the brightness of the image across the board, in fact that's detrimental to the HDR experience. What you want is a normally bright image, with what's called "diffuse" or "paper" white around 100-150 nits, and then reserve those extreme 1000+ nit values for displaying strong, typically fairly small light sources. That way you get the greatest contrast which is what makes it realistic.

  99. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I tried to turn on HDR on my monitor once, got literal pain in my eyes

  100. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    since im viewing this in sdr and right looks better, then yes hdr is a meme since that can clearly be done without it...

  101. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HDR is one of those things that people think does nothing because their monitor doesn't support it, like FPS above 60.

  102. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The industry set HDR back literal decades by certifying trash displays that can't do it properly.
    I don't blame anyone who thinks it's a meme, most people buy displays that don't get bright enough, use HDR and assume it's a meme.
    They should have set HDR minimum spec to like 800 nits instead of 400.

  103. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How are miniLED monitors?

  104. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's only meme for those who don't have a good monitor for HDR (like mine). Still, you can notice the difference in games that support it, as for example Elden Ring, after playing a lot with HDR On when turning it off you immediately notice that the image is now less rich and interesting.
    But most people don't even have monitors capable of that, and even the ones that do are low quality shit like my gigabyte m27q.

  105. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think the best way to describe HDR to someone who has no idea is to use an audio analogy.
    SDR displays are like if when you listen to a song, every single note is the same volume, there are no parts louder or softer than the others.
    An HDR display is like listening to a song normally, with some parts barely audible and then suddenly the guitar riffs in and blows your ears off.

  106. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Just get a plasma - they have extremely high contrast by default so they don't need it.

  107. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have a HDR capable TV and HDR either looks like shit or it doesn't look different from SDR at all.

    I even have a PSVR2 which has HDR enabled by default and it doesn't look much different to SDR honestly. Whenever someone goes "whoa the lights are BLINDING!!!" I have to wonder if they're moronic or I'm unaffected by brightness.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Garbage TV, garbage content, garbage eyes or a bit of all three. Proper HDR makes a big difference, with highlights looking really muted and compressed in SDR. Switching to HDR is like lifting a veil, the sense of clarity increases and everything just opens up.

  108. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    unless your display's panel is capable of showing HDR, that pic in the OP won't really show what HDR looks like. And even if your display does have HDR, most people are too moronic to calibrate their colors for fidelity. For me HDR makes a huge difference, it accents things like fire so that they pop more, and it makes darks stand look richer. Not to mention the depth of color gradient you get with HDR, it's just beautiful.

    Here's a screenshot I just took, with in-game HDR turned on. When viewed in SDR outside of game, it looks completely washed out and gray, way worse than SDR. But in game, this looks lush as hell

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      indeed pic in OP shows what GOOD sdr looks like since its not an hdr image etc
      devs are just lazy and make their games bland as shit then do an auto hdr pass

  109. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw 24" 1080p/60Hz VA monitor

  110. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Strange how the "HDR" on that supposed example still looks miraculously better on my SDR screen. Almost as though it was made with a specific conclusion already in mind as an advertisement point.

  111. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How "HDR is a meme" morons still exist in 2023? HDR has been the standard on TVs made after 2015.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You'd be surprised by the number of people who don't own a TV these days, who watch everything on their monitor, laptop or tablet.

  112. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it is, you using this image is moronic no matter what your stance is tho

  113. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a relatively pointless thing that's only relatively useful for flashbanging your viewer with even more contrast than necessary.

  114. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have the MAG274, the HDR works pretty good, auto HDR kinda blows out the whiteness in steam overlay and makes it super contrastey but that's it, otherwise even with it's relatively low nits it looks pretty good, text is enhanced a lot and any lighting looks much better.

  115. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Whoa. My SDR monitor can display that HDR image.

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