Is it dumb to want to learn complex rules systems purely so you can say you know complex rules systems?

Is it dumb to want to learn complex rules systems purely so you can say you know complex rules systems?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    I prefer Panzerblitz, though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it more or less complex than ASL?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Far less complex, but very fun to play.
        Especially if you have two sets and play double-blind.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why though? Is your life so empty that this is your only possible achievement?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you want to do things, is it the sole thing you want to do?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you’re constantly living on the edge and push yourself you stop finding things that don’t challenge you fun. You gotta constantly push yourself, be it for your career, your family, your health or your hobbies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        None of that was even a bit like what OP wants though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm so far on the edge... I learnt the rules for Campaign for North Africa... and didn't even play it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hell yeah brother!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anon wistfully posted on Ganker's traditional games board

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >purely so you can say you know complex rules systems
    yes, is dumb is that is "purely" the reason why. If you enjoy doing it that's another story

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. doesn’t know how to play ASL

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you just want to say you know complex rules then you can probably just do that without learning them all. I don't think anyone will check

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's pretty much why people still learn languages even though google translate exists

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are an actual fricking idiot. That software doesn't work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Comparing it to learning a language is good.
      Languages, instruments, etc, those are things worth learning for its own sake as a sort of challenge (but obviously pick the language/instrument you like the most).

      Learning rules for its own sake is like learning speedrun, but worse, speedrunning is autistic execution and knowledge for the sake of 1 single game, if it's shit like Mario 64 it might give you some exposure, but if it's an obscure game it's just autism in the void.
      The best challenges are the ones that you can at least get some leverage, for languages you can travel there, experience the culture first-hand and talk to people, with instruments you can show-off a cool skill recognized by any normalgay and that instantly raises your status (if you do it well), with learning obscure rules for a toy game that literally nobody would play with you, unless you had a doormat friend that goes along with every stupid idea you have? Well, that isn't going to do much for you, is it.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, there is no wrong reason to learn anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wanting to learn things so you can do harm to other people with that knowledge is wrong

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only if for some moronic reason harming is always wrong. It isn't.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Knowing how to destroy someone how is attempting to harm your family is an ontological good.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it's incredibly dumb. Why the hell would you put effort into leaning the rules of a game you have no intention of playing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How brown are you just out of curiosity?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ASL isn't complex, it's complicated. If you automated all the upkeep chrome of the game the actual decision making left to the players would be no more complex than Risk

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's dumb to brag about anything you learn and never use. And you probably didn't actually learn it without keeping up practice also.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >purely so you can say you know
    This part is dumb and invalidates anything else you would have to say.
    That you're not seeking knowledge for its own sake, not trying to round out your background or engage with a community, or even play a game, but instead want only to posture socially, makes you total parasite shoot on sight.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's midwit at best. It's a claim of intelligence and social proof and skill/knowledge of gaming.

    It's cargo cult intellectualism. The trappings and ritual instead of the heart.

    Would you refuse if someone else offered to play?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You already know the answer to this.

    Internal validation is the only validation worth pursuing.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it's dumb. No one is going to double check or even ask for precision so you can simply half heartedly pretend and you'll be gold anyway. I do that on every topic all the time. Save yourself the hassle.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who are you going to say this to? You don't have any friends.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you need to verbalize your achievements to enjoy them?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just bought this last month, it's fun.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, not at all if is fun for you and you get a sense of achievement. Power level is a real social phenomena and other enthusiasts do look up to you if you complex games or just play more games in general. I found this out by accident. Its a secondary heavy hobby.

    Its also has very real benefits as knowing one game helps learn another and if you know a couple of complex games you can pick up new games quickly because you’ve encountered ‘new’ rules before in your rule encyclopedia games.

    >What the frick is this paragraph about?
    >Battletech does a variation of that its actually simple when you get it its just this rulebook is illegable garbage like all rulebooks.
    Many such cases.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, that is dumb.
    The point of learning a game is so you can play that game or interpret it to people who want to play it.
    Anything done with a game not in service to those two things is dumb.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess I'm a bit dumb too, because I forgot the most important aspect of this hobby: learning game design.
      Learning any game, whether complex or not, in service to developing your own skill as a designer is also not dumb.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is it dumb to do X just so you can say you've done X
    Always.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, posting about it is dumb though.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey! Did someone ask about complex game rules?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As long as you can think 3D, it’s not that bad

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it dumb to want to learn complex rules systems purely so you can say you know complex rules systems?
    Yeah because you're probably going to end up one of those guys that try to simplify the rules set, and then tell people that they're gatekeeping for not playing your rules set in which you set out to 'fix' said game.

    You play complex games if the games you tried aren't granular or detailed enough for your tastes, not for bragging rights.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if you like playing complex games because you find enjoyment in figuring out a complex ruleset and slowly mastering it over several sessions of play?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then you’re a homosexual, straight up

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. It’s also incredibly pretentious.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Knowledge for the sake of knowledge is never a bad thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Knowledge without purpose is evil

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >purely so you can say you know complex rules systems?
    Yes. It is vain and comes from a place of insecurity or a self-perceived need to validate one's self to others in a superficial way. Besides, complexity does not correlate to quality.

    >An idiot admires complexity. A genius admires simplicity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As an old professor once told me, simplifying is overlooking

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >an old professor once told me
        He must have been senile and deep into his tenure.

        [...]
        An idiot makes simple things sound complex, a genius makes complex things sound simple.

        This.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As an old professor once told me, simplifying is overlooking

      An idiot makes simple things sound complex, a genius makes complex things sound simple.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A grifter sells the idea of simplicity pasted over actuality. That youve been had is not a mark of 'genius'.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, it would only make sense if the system was actually (in)famous, like FATAL.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FATAL is actually really simple, it’s just roll for chart then roll on chart.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's still very complex in practice for all the wrong reasons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only complexity comes from the social aspect of trying to figure out how one can play the game and still have friends

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but do it anyway.
    Eventually you'll get bored of rules and start studying Law or Mathematics for fun.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it dumb to want to learn complex rules systems
    No. Learning is never dumb.
    >purely so you can say you know complex rules systems
    Yes. That's a pretty dumb pseudo-reason.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do that for gurps, sometimes it's just interesting to read about how real life can be translated to fake mechanics. Also more vidya than tg but Dominions manuals are fricking fascinating to read.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. I had gotten pretty bored with life in general for a while and felt like I had not learned anything new in quite some time, and decided that learning ASL was the way to go. I always considered it the mount everest of wargaming rules. After about 2 years I can play full ASL now. Its honestly not the greatest ruleset, but I do really like playing the Starter Kit rules.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. At the very least it increases your knowledge set about other ways of doing things- in OP's Pic case ... is war gaming I guess?

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