Is it insensitive to portray the Fey as neurodivergent?

Is it insensitive to portray the Fey as neurodivergent? I think its an interesting under-explored historical parallel but I can see it potentially making some players uncomfortable.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There’s credence to the idea but you’ve got to EXTENSIVELY worldbuild in order to prevent it coming off as insensitive, as “my son/daughter was replaced by fae and now I’m stuck with this weirdo” is a VERY dangerous subject to even skirt around

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that dangerous. It's the conventional explanation for why the legends even started.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm autistic and I think the myth makes sense. None of the people around me make any sense. It's all illogical or irrational, but my idea of what that is seems inherently flawed in a way that I can't begin to understand.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >“my son/daughter was replaced by fae and now I’m stuck with this weirdo” is a VERY dangerous subject to even skirt around
      It's a fricking millennia old myth you fricking cuck.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One that may well have its origins in pervasive developmental disorders

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And this is why modern media is fricking bland as shit sludge.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it insensitive to portray the Fey as neurodivergent?
      It is INSULTING to be overly sensitive. Do this, and you're really better cutting yourself off from the whole of fantasy and sci fi literature.

      > I think its an interesting under-explored historical parallel
      I don't.
      > I can see it potentially making some players uncomfortable.
      Those players should be playing other games.

      Depends on your players. Sensitivity is about considering the thoughts and feelings of the specific people you interact with or otherwise affect. It's not insensitive to do what you suggest if no one in your table minds, but it might be insensitive if you have, like, an autistic player or a player with an autistic relative who'd be offended by that. In other words, talk to your players.

      Is this a troll?
      >>VERY dangerous subject to even skirt around
      If Grimm or Bulfinch are dangerous for your players, stick to WW2 war simulations, and if that's too much go to abstract TG like checkers.

      You want to portray like 20+ different types of creatures you don't understand sharing only a common origin in mythology, as a mental illness you don't understand.
      Have you ever considered doing real research? On either? Not some pop psych book or a picture book full of faeries you found at Barnes & Noble while you debated between "matcha or tea" at the adjoining Starbucks. I mean to say serious reading of original materials that might be boring or challenging, with the intent to learn.
      It's crazy how some of you, OP included, care so much about sensitivity, but don't see being clueless about autism (or fey for that matter) but trying to write or converse about it as insensitive.

      '
      I have to wonder what their idea for portraying other, alien beings standards are. I mean, are there than many tables with people who would get triggered by Stephen fricking Universe or new She Ra? Do I need to slap some frickers upside the head with my DSM 4?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Boohoo Karen. Why the frick do you even post here

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your players. Sensitivity is about considering the thoughts and feelings of the specific people you interact with or otherwise affect. It's not insensitive to do what you suggest if no one in your table minds, but it might be insensitive if you have, like, an autistic player or a player with an autistic relative who'd be offended by that. In other words, talk to your players.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Sensitivity is about sensing how your behaviour affects people.
      It is insensitive to try to outsource your decisions to a Hungarian brewing forum, because it's asking a bunch of distant autists what they think rather than observing how the people in front of you act.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In fairness, if OP was looking for autists; he came to the right palce.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would a race entirely consisting of morons survive?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fey are not usually bound by material norms. They are usually inherently magical or extraplanar beings, and there is absolutely no reason to expect them to having to "survive", which is why they are often depicted as being fricking memes.

      It's not that dangerous. It's the conventional explanation for why the legends even started.

      This.

      [...]

      Also, this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look at how humans survived.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just grab a mirror and witness that miracle for yourself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno. How does your fecal-based moron race survive?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While mental conditions aren't an unreasonable explanation for the original myths about changelings, that could just be a changeling thing, and not a general statement about all the fey.
    I think the best way to make it work is to never describe them as such in a player-facing manner. Don't call the fey thing autistic (not that the word means much with it describing 15 different conditions), just describe its behaviors and let the players come to that conclusion. If it offends them, you have plausible deniability from the mythological roots. New mental disorders can make new fey easily once you've established that.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"insensitive"
    >"neurodivergent"
    No, it is perfectly normal to portray various kinds of fey as different kinds of moronic.
    >under-explored
    It's the fricking norm.
    >uncomfortable
    At no point was it ever said that players need to be or should be comfortable at all times. In fact, a lot of players should absolutely be uncomfortable, both for their own good as well as the good of society.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >neurodivergent?

    Probably. I don't know what specific instance of fey you're going with but most instances I know of when it comes to weird things like absolute adherence to an agreement and love of riddles they seem to acknowledge that they don't like it or think it's unfair but do it anyway out of cooperation instead of some mental tick that they can't resist no matter how they struggle with it.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As an autist myself, I'd be cool with it.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who gives a frick how you portray beings which are not human?
    they have stupid ass rules like 'no lying' or about eating or staying in the human realm for too long, how are you as a human going to judge a non-human, fictive race by human standards?
    what you call neurodivergent could be completely normal for a tiny winged humanoid

    this is so stupid, it is like those people who want to tell you orcs are black stereotypes- ignoring that there are actually black people around in fantasy land
    >example: Redguards- Elder Scrolls or nubari for dnd
    besides, that says more about the person saying it is racist than it says about orcs as a whole

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're not human, so diverging from what? Humans? They're supposed to be different.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ask your players moron

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Found the neurodivergent.
    I'm pretty sure I have a card for what to say in this situation.... Ah "You fit in, you don't have to try so hard"

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My condition is not your virtue signalling. You don't get to speak on my behalf.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think I speak for all autists when I say they're moronic.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > all cats are on the autism spectrum
    There's a fair argument that all animals are autistic, or rather that features of autistic consciousness are default features of lower animal consciousness. Grandin in particular spoke of using her own autism as a basis to theorize how animals treat cues in order to design better slaughterhouses.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fey literally don't think like normal people. As long as you don't straight up say you made tinkerbell autistic I doubt anyone would even notice.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it insensitive to portray the Fey
    Who cares?

    >as neurodivergent?
    Gay

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You want to portray like 20+ different types of creatures you don't understand sharing only a common origin in mythology, as a mental illness you don't understand.
    Have you ever considered doing real research? On either? Not some pop psych book or a picture book full of faeries you found at Barnes & Noble while you debated between "matcha or tea" at the adjoining Starbucks. I mean to say serious reading of original materials that might be boring or challenging, with the intent to learn.
    It's crazy how some of you, OP included, care so much about sensitivity, but don't see being clueless about autism (or fey for that matter) but trying to write or converse about it as insensitive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's crazy how some of you, OP included, care so much about sensitivity, but don't see being clueless about autism (or fey for that matter) but trying to write or converse about it as insensitive.
      Sensitivity, tolerance, inclusivity and all those other nonsense terms are Magic Words whose utterance gives you power. It's that gay and shrimple. Twenty years ago it was "patriot" and "green."

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    insensitive to whom?
    i'm on the spectrum, you probably are too since you post here, it's all cool bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He’s worried about getting visited by the little people

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neurodivergent means someone who processes information different than others OR is on the Autism spectrum. That first part has been used to describe the Fey since as long as they have been been in the folklore record and is the number one reason you shouldn't deal with them. You couple something with immense magical power AND a completely alien thought process? It leads to disaster when you deal with them whether they are malevolent or benevolent in nature, that's the whole point.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    damn, i wish i really was a changeling. maybe would get the chance to return to the fey world instead of being stuck here

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >insensitive
    >neurodivergent
    >making some players uncomfortable
    Its a game, get over it. It'll be fine or they're so neurodivergent they're pointless to engage with or much more likely just using social leverage in predictably lame ways to position themselves and taking away from any actual merit awareness and sensitivity could have. In which case they're shitty people and you should scorn, avoid or commit violence to them.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Dude you're like unable to understand cultural effects over time.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but don't mimic human neurodivergences, create new ones. Try to invent mental illnesses that don't exist in the real world, then write a fantasy culture where everyone has always had those mental illnesses and always will.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is only an issue if you're some anti-social frickwit playing with fellow anti-social randoms.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >making some players uncomfortable
    Meanwhile here I am trying to make my players having nightmares about Krasula irl.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sperg here.
    Not only do I not take offense to the idea, I sincerely think it's funny and suggest that you totally do it. Don't even try to be "respectful" about it because it's going to come across as cringe. Lean into the joke and laugh about it. You and your friends will probably have more fun that way.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neurodivergent is an anti-category. It's everything ∉Neurotypical. You'll have to be more specific :^)

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Adhd Fey
    Constantly just doing whatever is fun at the moment with no regard for the consequences
    >Autism Fey
    Cannot understand humans and their emotions, only follow strange rules
    >Schizophrenic Fey
    Very weak grasp on reality, sees things that aren't(?) actually there
    >Kleptomaniac Fey
    Steals your shit
    >ASPD Fey
    Casual violence and murder

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aside from schizophrenic fae I think I've seen all of these in depictions of the fair folk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Schizophrenic is a base fey ability. The border between real and the fairy world.

        He’s worried about getting visited by the little people

        Well, they put up with the Boston Celtics and the Lucky Charms guy. I think they're hardier than OP thinks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aside from schizophrenic fae I think I've seen all of these in depictions of the fair folk

      People didn't think schizo's were fey, they thought schizo's could see fey that were hidden from the rest of us.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MEOW

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not insensitive, it's just a fricking stupid idea. Neurodivergent vs neurotypical relates atypical people to the norm of their own species, fey aren't fricking humans so they can't be "neurodivergent", whatever they behave like is *their* neurotypical.

    What's next OP, you going to run a Planet of the Apes game where you "portray the Apes as black people"?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a silly semantics argument, obviously what OP means is that he wants to portray the Fair Folk in a way that is modelled after what is, in humans, actual neurodivergent behaviour.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's insensitive for you to be such a homosexual

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a diagnosed aspie, it's funny as frick. Quit worrying about offending people, you'll never make anything interesting if you do

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it insensitive
    Shut the frick up. The fact you even brought this up means that YOU need to go see a psychiatrist right now.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who cares

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. It isn't. So long as you do so as evenly as you portray anyone else in your own campaign.

    Some players are going to feel uncomfortable if you are playing Cutepuppies & Cupcakes. If you want to run an rpg without offending anyone, play solo. Then when the gm becomes an butthole, there's only one person to blame.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just don't use the word "autistic", describe the behavior and give it some otherworldly traits like "it looked like her eyes glowed for a second", it mystifies the situation more.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    imagine NOT wanting the fae to make people uncomfortable

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Some players" are gays. Don't play with them.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The King of the fae flaps his hands and rocks back and forth on his throne refusing to make eye contact with the party
    IDK. I don't think it adds anything to the game, but it's your game so go for it.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Considering they used to burn autistic kids alive because they thought they were fey... no.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because the fey are not autism.
    They're just regularly illogical.
    One of the most autistic person I have ever know could never wrap her head around how the fey work because she was too autistically rigid in her thinking.
    The fey are lies made truth, and that goes against autism's autisticness.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neurodivergent is a term specifically for the context of a human mind so of course anything not human is going to be neurodivergent you pretentious hack. Sensitivity isn't your issue, your issue is you have an idea that's actually nothing it all

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