I've beaten the game several times on hard, the combat is shit, or well, more like the encounters are shit
And no, prebuffing and building isn't combat
>moron paladin >moron
why would you expose yourself like that
you just proved you haven't even played the game, just read about it from shitposters here
>Cleared the whole map without resting because I was scared of someone dying >No spells >Just this one room left >this theme starts playing >Zacharius appears >OH GOD OH FUCK
Legitimately one of the most tense moments I had in a game, it really fits lich so well
Sounds like any generic movie OST. It's decent, sure, but it's definitely generic. If you told me that was something I'd missed from a Nolan movie I'd believe you without a second thought.
It felt like every fucking song in BG3 was just some derivative of Down The Fucking River. You hear it constantly. Trash. If I blasted Friday by Rebecca Black at you for hours every day, it'd be stuck in your head too.
>we generic orchestra! >order me up one of those heckrino disney songs like the 8 in every animated disney film!
Just admit WoTR was too difficult for you to complete act one. >My VAN down by the river.
The reason is stuck in your head is because its remixed constantly in the game. Just like Divinity 2's theme. You remember i because its all you hear for most of the game.
too bad you can't hear that over any of the sound effects in the game. literally one counter charm and it's completely drowned out and indecipherable babble
they tried though
>No it doesn't lol.
I've played both games and I'd say BG3 writing (English lang) is trash and WOTR writing (Russian lang) is worse than trash.
The main weaknesses of BG3 are companions and last minute changes.
WOTR is utter shit overall.
>Worse voice acting
Yes but it's irrelevant unless you're a normie moron that plays cRPGs for WEG tier romancing, waifus and mocap cutscenes. It's why I hate BG3 and most Bioware games. They're barely games, more like interactive novels. >Worse combat
Bg3 has the worst combat ever seen in a cRPG so that's obviously impossible. >Worse music
Wrong, BG3 has a total of 3 good songs, one of them is copied from DoS2 lol. >Worse writing
Again, wrong.
>my eurojank is superior except for this , that, this and these objectively shit features in my game. ... which is why I hate that other, critically acclaimed, massively succesful AAA WRPG, because I'm a special snowflake contrarian bitch
heh
Kek, what does this even mean? You're playing an rpg if you didn't notice, lack of reactivity is one of the worst things about this game, and the worst part is that it's still better than Kingmaker, the game where you can play as a tiefling and ask about how tieflings work
>voice acting
Comparable though I am biased against british accent. Can't stand it. >combat
WoTR is better >music
tie >writing
subjective, though I prefer WoTR >more pozzed
lol, lmao even
>Worse voice acting
correct >Worse combat
correct >Worse music
debatable >Worse writing
dialogue is worse but the plot is servicable >And is far more blatantly pozzed.
The pozz in WOTR is frontloaded. In BG3 it's heavily backloaded
>Fuck like most of the hell demons >In every style possible >Time to settle >Finds some stupid ass commander and give him "I have changed bullshit" >He is rich virgin and loves you >You win
Fuck that cuck shit honestly >Remember you are not allowed to have sex with anyone bc you will fail this shithead of a romance
>she legitimately changes for the better
Thats what she wants you to believe. >Oh sir commander i've never cum on deamon orgies but with YOU yeah i definately came so hard i saw desna my favourite goddes, trust me.
>>too busy injecting your own cuck fantasies to even read the text on screen.
I've never romanced her. My commander has his dick up the spider girls ass
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It was a wenduagfag
wendubros...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wenduagfag talking about Cuckshit
Worse romance ever. Arue and Camellia mogs her hard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You realize that particular tale of debauchery Wendy is spinning is a lie right?
That's when she goes and makes a deal with the demon guy, something you can actually find out if you follow her, you even get the option to call her out on the lie.
She never fucked that Incubus, its just her cover story. The only person she is confirmed to have ever fucked is Lann, and they are childhood friends.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it's a lie but the fact that this happened after she basically break down and confessed her feeling make it far worse >confess that you love the guy >go on to make deal with Demon sugar daddy to betray him >tell your boyfriend that you were busy going on a date with a Incubus who fucked her very hard.
This is legit why i hated her. Camellia may be a pscyho but she hasnt't done any of that shit in my current playthrough where i am romancing her. even her rooftop scene is greater than Wenduag shitty tavern scene
>Look, she'll be bad if you literally corrupt her again and push her back into her old lifestyle through your choices.
Anon, you cucked yourself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Can't you read? he posted her Aeon ending where she stayed faithful even if you have a nice day. There is also a ending if you sacrifice yourself in the worldwound where she copes by staying inside her dreams where you are still alive.
>Time to settle >Finds some stupid ass commander and give him "I have changed bullshit" >He is rich virgin and loves you >gay 4chantard that projects his 3DPD issues onto a fictional character also plays as a virgin
lol
I hope Rogue Trader is good. Leave it to the 40k setting to make fucking an elf actually exotic again.
Alpha and beta were rather promising imo. >clingy eldar that's willing to kill her farseer for you >SoB that dreams of burning heretics alive and playing with children in a field of flowers >disney princess mutant that can stun the entire battlefield >can corrupt interrogator >all 4 chaos gods have demons >woke up to daemonettes in my bed after one warp jump >chance to exterminate planet >player has permit to tell everyone to fuckoff cuz they're plebs >space combat is decent
etc.
dialogue is a fucking mid 90's text box
>ayeee! Is that text in my rpg? >am I expected to actually read words? >this is literally genocide
>launch wotr >look up most overpowered builds for every character >play below core dificulty >heh game is too easy, there is literally no challenge
Worse, they do that and then post shit like this:
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff >encounter >miss miss miss miss miss miss miss >critical miss >reload >rinse, repeat until you don't miss miss miss
>How
Iirc it starts with him investigating into a demonic machine and if you don't stop him early on he starts looking too far into it. I think it went further in the data mined files but I'd have to install it to check.
Maybe if you just play it purely as expected, following every quest line via the obvious ways played out to you, and want to go into every combat mashing your party's generic tactic into the enemy. Baldur's Gate 3 is a game of creative problem solving at its heart. It's as much an immersive sim as it is an RPG, and you'll have to acknowledge that one day. Every irrelevant criticism holding up the older style of RPG falls to irrelevance in the face of that.
>Baldur's Gate 3 is a game of creative problem solving at its heart
You wot m8? I like BG3, but 95% of "problem solving" just boils down to killing everyone and then sorting through the corpses. Talking to animals and dead people adds some depth, but there really aren't that many quests where that makes a significant difference.
>hurr durr PF has too many build and feat which is irrelevant since you only need a few
>but BG3 which has infinitely less build, less feat, less skills and fuckload easier to cheese and break the game whilst having redundant gameplay mechanic? >hurr durr that's suddenly good because umm.....i like watching cuckold scene and gay orgy
>Valerie in kingmaker cucks you with a farmer >Arue in wotr cucks you with an entire peasant village >Shadowslut in bg3 cucks you with 2 drow and a bear
Maybe because devs keep putting cuckshit in their games?
I'd say the plot is better in WOTR, but the writing is better in BG3. Companions are better in WOTR, but companion writing is better in BG3. Combat is better in WTOR but encounters are more unique in BG3. With that being said, I rate WOTR as a 9/10 and BG3 as an 8.5/10
>I'd say the plot is better in WOTR
there is no deep plot in WOTR. bg3's just flows better without getting roadbloacked by campaign mechanics (which were better implemented in kingmaker)
>bg3's just flows better without getting roadbloacked by campaign mechanics (which were better implemented in kingmaker)
Plot in BG3 was good for act 1, it was boring in act 2 and outright shitlypaced in Act 3. I dropped it in Act 3 so many times before sucking it up and continuing.
The villains in BG3 are somehow even worse than the ones in WotR and that's saying something, only Ketheric is worth a shit and even then he only gets like two scenes before he dies
>is wotr plot really worse
The plot of WOTR is "a demon lady ripped open a vortex to hell and demons are flooding through, solve the crisis" very linear progress to it. You get an awful RTS attached to it that everyone hates since you become the boss of the military movement since you're so damn awesome you fucking main character.
It's story is much better, I don't know if any RPG can match the epicness of WOTR and I say that in the sense that you go from basically a powerful adventurer to king slayer/ hero to by the end a literal deity contending with gods. Pure kino through and through. Plus the romances are much better in my opinion, sure shadowheart and minthara are cute and a lil crazy, but no one will match the serial killer wife Camellia
I want another great cRPG trilogy again. Jamming an adventurer's journey to god contender is a bit much. Having a Baldur's Gate Trilogy power progression let's you enjoy each era of the player character's progression much more.
WOTR companions were done better(not much snowflake shit backstory)
WOTR story was done better
WOTR music was done better
WOTR build/combat has more depth
WOTR filters normalfags by lacking motion captured high res models
>Every single character in the game is a snowflake of some kind except for the two nogs Ganker hates
Ember is anything but a snowflake, she is oblivious to the world around her and for most of her life people just either ignore her or treat her like shit.
Really? Out of all the snowflakes in the cast, you pick the biggest snowflake of them all? She's literally elven jesus christ
I wasn't complaining by the way, but trying to deny that the WotR cast isn't filled with snowflakes is just delusional, although none of them are as blatant as BG3 and it's "I literally fucked the goddess of magic" mage Alistair
She doesn't, Nocticula was already on her way to become good even without Ember's intervention
Then again, it doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks a demon lord is a devil speedreads this fucking fast
Hellknight commander and Shamanic noble serial killer vs "Literally fucked a god woe is me I was trying to love her too much and got heckin' fucked by dark magic."
BG3's characters are well written but terribly bland. you have what... like... 5 elves/halfs you can recruit over the course of the game and zero dwarves?
>Hellknight commander
Who is also a gnome who acts NOTHING like a gnome who is also extremely fucking successful as a hellknight to the point that even other hellknights are surprised at how dedicated he is, also he has one of the highest ranking positions in the order of the godclaw, and also acts as their leader during the game >noble serial killer
I'll admit I forgot about her, also Greybor, one is just a crazy chick the other is just some random assassin
It was a delightful subversion with Regill, I heard that voice then saw he was a fucking gnome model and it was like "Wait, aren't you supposed to be HECKIN QUIRKY or you die?" and his response was more or less "You're going to die too someday, what the fuck of it?"
Immediately respect. Even playing a lawful goodish kind of run you and him can see eye to eye very clearly on some issues and he still respects your command if you don't. Excellent character, surprisingly bro tier.
Shame the amulet of non-detection gave Cam away immediately as being evil, though I admit not really appreciating just HOW FUCKING EVIL.
I think a lot of these writers severely underestimate how much people would love a party where all the tropes are played straight, to a t. >Cantankerous Dwarven warrior with a taste for booze >Wise old wizard who's seen a lifetime of shit >Acrobatic and agile street urchin thief (female, because I can fix her) >Pompous Elven archer who knows the wilderness like the back of their hand >Half-Orc barbarian who's so angry the only way for him to cool off is drinking contests with the dwarf
These are all infamous tropes, but I can't think of a single game that has every single one of them, together, as your party. I can think of ones that come close - BG1/2, Dragon Age Origins, but nothing that just plays it completely straight.
Ah yes anon, we clearly need to have a chaotic neutral transexual Aasimar who is a member of fantasy Antifa instead. I think you severely underestimate just how many people do indeed want the lawful good Aasimar paladin in their party instead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Child, I've been playing RPGs since before you were born. No one who has played the genre for any significant amount of time wants cookie cutter cardboard cutout characters with predictable motivations they've seen a hundred times already. I don't care about quirky gay shit, but what I do care about is writers being creative and coming up with characters that do not kill off the game's playerbase by inducing boredom.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok boomer now fuck off, nobody cares about your wrinkly dinosaur ass
Your post reveals that your desire for tropes to be played straight is actually just a desire for a greater degree of subversion. You're not arguing the merits of these individual tropes or saying why they're interesting, you just want them because "it hasn't been done before," because it's a subversion of the current norm of subversion. You don't actually want a story played straight, you just want to smugly imagine people being upset because you subverted their expectations of the current popular methods of storytelling.
Your post reeks of fart sniffing dude. Relax. Try not to push your glasses too far up your brow ridge. I'm not gonna pretend to be an anthropologist or some shit and claim to know why people like basically Gimli from Lord of the Rings or basically Merlin and would love to have characters like that in their party. All I know is that characters like that and with those tropes have been around for decades, if not centuries, so they must be doing something right to have staying power.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Gimli >Merlin >not subversive characters
You're not very media-literate, are you?
>severely underestimate how much people would love a party where all the tropes are played straight, to a t.
no one will like it and people will call all companion generic stereotypes.
Kingmaker's companion's are >Angry barbarian STRONG woman >Angry scorned knight-girl who is Joan of Arc without any of the charm >Cheerful sisterfu midget >Snarky smartguy midget >Slutty magic elf >Slutty angry orc >Grumpy emo dwarf >Possibly autistic virgin boi cleric >Definitely autistic black man >Semen demon (literallly) twins
Not exactly the fellowship of the ring or the knights of king arthur's court there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
barbarian STRONG woman
sisterfu midget
People like these characters. I don't get it. Both so obnoxious and overbearing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I love Linzi.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sisterfu was fine. She fits the "annoyingly adorable" trope well. It's not always to everyone's cup of tea but I always like having characters like Linzi or Imoen in my party just to juxtapose other edgey/serious characters like Sarevok or Jae'thal.
You can't always have super serious characters in the roster.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The midget that is forced onto you and you can't get rid of unlike every other character until the very end of the game isn't fine at all
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's the flaw I can agree on. It's pretty shit that she sticks onto you especially if you're running an evil party. Owlcat really wanted to push the "she was the narrator all along" angle.
I was unimpressed when a female moron paladin is forced upon my party as the game opens, and as you go through the intro you meet a thin white woman who goes out of their way to introduce you to their lesbian half-orc wife. Like I can buy the lesbian bit, or marrying a half-orc, but not both. It's too much.
Combat in PF games is really fucking bad. If I need to install a mod that auto-buffs me because there's dozens of buffs you need to put on otherwise you won't have enough to beat the 90+ AC random fucking monsters have
Yeah except for the graphics and all that shit that just depends on money.
I haven't seen anyone talk about humor because, my god, larian humor is awful. It's always something unfunny totally in the wrong place at the wrong moment.
>Developer's first game made in less than 2 years was buggy.
How long has bg3 been in development? 5 years? And how's the third act doing?
>And how's the third act doing?
It's actually doing decent, one month of updates is terrible but when you compare it with Owlcat's "fix one bug, discover two more" with every update...
Most of the wotr bugs were and are related to classes or can be fixed by reloading. Wotr was fully playable on release, but yes kingmaker was unplayable.
I just think this comparison is hilarious in general considering budgets, studio sizes, and development times.
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff >encounter >miss miss miss miss miss miss miss >critical miss >reload >rinse, repeat until you don't miss miss miss
No, it's mechanically worse because its rtwp, the dungeon design is virtually non-existent, and the encounters are some of the laziest ever conceived to the point of being insulting. It also has much worse interactivity and reactivity, like several thousand magnitudes. But at least you can larp super hard with your gay annoying tiefling with super devil anime magic self-insert.
>most other things
I would argue that with the implementation of rtwp they've somehow managed to make 3.5e combat worse than 5e combat. Also the maps are generally disjointed and have nothing in them, (many are even reused several times) so bg3 beats it there. So what's left really?
>Russian Spyware.
Anon, you need to stop believing everything random chucklefucks tell you. I bet you have a tencent game or cyberpunk installed bad news, and if ROTR is spyware... well I have some bad news for you.
nope >shit combat >no voiced dialogue after frauding the opening >all your builds are just theoretical goyslop you jack off to in your head because combat isnt visceral enough to actually bring any of them to life >horrible non skippable minigames >Overworld is traveled by tiles on a map like a game made 20 years ago
i could go on and on. Its literal garbage can tier
>Filtered >No voiceslop meaning more text meaning more choices >Literally admitting to having no imagination >Mod to skip it exists >Zoomer needs an empty open world to have fun instead of skipping to the good parts
holy fuck just read a book instead dude its much more rewarding and better for your brain than pretending the other half of the game youre playing exists
>Overworld is traveled by tiles on a map like a game made 20 years ago
It's still better than making goblin camp and druid camp 100 meters out of each other and pretend that neither of sides knows where is the other one
Sense of scale is fucked in BG3
BG3 has better encounter design and more interactivity in its combat, but unfortunately its extremely easy even on tactician so none of its mechanics matter all too much. But unfotunately the babby difficulty + cucked 5e ruleset is what is getting them so many sales to begin with.
>BG3 has better encounter design
It has zero encounter design, because it has zero difficulty. If encounters are not challenging, they're not even worth playing.
>b-but it's the system's fault!
No, it isn't. Even with a mechanically primitive and imbalanced combat system one can create challenging encounters, yet Latrine Studios have never managed to create one in all 3 of their Kiddinity games.
It is, which is unfortunate because WotR is pretty mid. The people who made WotR clearly actually *liked* CRPGs though and that shows. The demon city in act 4 is obnoxious as fuck but the concept is cool, even if the implementation wasn't great.
Full voice acting is a plague on the RPG genre, because it forces the writers to create primitive dialogue trees with only a handful of possible responses. If you do not enjoy the abundance of dialogue roleplaying opportunities WotR provides, you are moroncattle.
For a handful of things, maybe.
The only positive for WoTR I can think of off the top of my head is the character sheets are far nicer. Why is everything so cramped in BG3? Also I guess class variety and leveling up in general is nicer too.
Damn though, once you experience BG3's environments, WoTR just seems like crap.
Pathfinder writing is definitely worse. Why you guys keep pretending that Pathfinder has some good qualities beside difficulty and build autism is beyond me.
Pathfinder writing is definitely worse. Why you guys keep pretending that Pathfinder has some good qualities beside difficulty and build autism is beyond me.
Have Larian improved their writing after Original Sin 1? I remember constantly cringing at the wacky Gearbox level humor in practically every single line of dialogue. Even the initially promising murder mystery blew its load too soon by immediately jumping to "YOU'RE DA CHOSEN ONE YOU MUST SAVE ALL OF REALITY" shit.
Yes, but respect where it's due, it's less cringe and less pozzed. I mean, it's pozzed in a different way. It's not like Pathfinder where everything is fucking neutered, at least they are daring in their degeneracy and I can somewhat respect that. While pathfinder is just so fucking weak, writing wise, it's repulsive. I even managed to finish DoS2 despite the astronomical levels of cringe shit writing, but I couldn't finish PF
And what's bad about wotr writing? I agree that Neno is shit and i thank the lord above that they atleast grant you the ability to kill her immediately when you see her
>If the character is doing some sort of action while speaking, have the character model do it instead. I also think it’s a crutch for poor dialogue writing.
It's because it's a lower budget game.
I can make my own party (total custom) in Wrath, can ignore "romances" completely (nobody jumps into my bed except single scripted events and I can still tell them to fuck off without any consequences, yeah, fuck that lizard dude, have proper turn-based combat and have functional system (Pathfinder is better than 5e). That's enough for me to count Wrath as better. I mean, what's the deal with story? It's just excuse for killing demons and wrecking shit. Premade "companions" belong in trash anyway due to their massively unoptimized stats and classes, so why should I care about what they say? Maybe this gnome dude was okay, rest can dump into pile of shit.
In fact, I played Solasta for last few weeks and had much better 5e experience than whatever BadG 3 could offer me.
Honest answer.
They both do things fun and neat and things shitty and ghey. They both bow to the poz or lean a little hard on the degeneracy. Slightly different playstyles I'd enjoy a mix of like being able to have more than one fucking elixir at a time but doesn't have to be so insanely buff happy you need a buff mod for every long rest. WoTR having a higher level cap feels much better than capping at 12 like BG3. Especially if you really look at some of the abilities and skills each class gets approaching 20th level. Having issues implementing Wish and Power Word: Kill shouldn't ruin the fun of the entire leveling game when 5-8/9 feel like a fucking slog.
I think that limiting levels in 5e game actually do make a lot of sense. 5e is best suited for low level adventures (up to 10), above that it start to lose momentum fast. Meanwhile Pathfinder was designed to avoid "empty levels" and encourage players to spend whole 20 levels in single class via archetypes system (which is basically multiclassing in other form).
If it can be used as example, Solasta was originally restricted to level 10 and main campaign was fun that way, balanced and well designed in terms of encounters. Dlcs increased cap to 12 and then to 16 but these extra 6 levels barely changed much - when your paladin combat capability peak around level 8 (because she still have just 2 attacks per round + extra from feat, stats are capped at 20 and she don't get more than level 4 spells) and all your wizard gain over extra 6 levels are few higher level spells (that still can be casted twice or once per long rest and cannot be recovered by arcane recovery ability), you can see that something is off.
don't really agree, i feel like your build feels half-ass and unfinished in act 2 of bg3, most of them really only come together at lv12 and a lot of classes prefer even more levels because they have some class features at too high levels to multiclass (looking at you lv11 shadow monk)
the encounters being too easy is a separate issue, the game would be A LOT better if you had more build options with more levels + significantly tougher encounters to capitalize on those stronger builds
Trash mobs everywhere and the fights feel meaningless. Real-Time mode is unsatisfying and garbage and I don't know why so many crpgs are obsessed with it. Turn-based mode instantly puts me to sleep because I'm fighting trash mobs and fodder 90% of the time.
The trash mobs on the only difficulty that matters are harder than any boss fight larian has ever shat out. In fact, you were filtered by said trash mobs 🙂
>Decide to play a crpg >"Hmm, which difficulty should I pick?" >"I know, I'll pick the hardest mode thats called unfair because I'm a pro gamer man :)" >Gets filtered >Proceeds to cry
I love how hard pathfinder filters the retards.
The people itt that complain about dip builds and unbeatable ac numbers. You know, the type of posters who either didn't play the game at all or picked unfair and came here to cry about it:
>a game is not a good role-playing game unless it is filled with meaningless combat encounters for me to win by making sure I picked options that boost numbers as much as possible
Why are retards like this?
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff >encounter >rinse, repeat
it's the best spreadsheet simulator, I'll give you that
Combat in PF games is really fucking bad. If I need to install a mod that auto-buffs me because there's dozens of buffs you need to put on otherwise you won't have enough to beat the 90+ AC random fucking monsters have
>monk and vivi dips every build
nah homie, lets not forget how buggy kingmaker was at launch and post launch, owlcat deserves nothing.
i literally played kingmaker (at unfair) and got that fey bitch's secret ending/romance and i fought that giant flaming ball at the end?
stop riding on bg3's success (which revived this genre) to lure people into playing this pos, not to mention owlcat has yet to prove themselves, lets see how bad rogue trader will be (i really hope not but it's owlcat)
>a game is not a good role-playing game unless it is filled with meaningless combat encounters for me to win by making sure I picked options that boost numbers as much as possible
By that logic, boss fights are also meaningless because they're just a check if you "picked options that boost numbers as much as possible".
Do you actually want to play a video game or watch an interactive movie? What even is a roleplaying game to you?
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff >encounter >miss miss miss miss miss miss miss >critical miss >reload >rinse, repeat until you don't miss miss miss
It's on par with it when it comes to writing. Aka, dogshit, but at least it uses the superior ruleset. Someone please give me a pathfinder game with a DM mode and toolset please.
Not in every way. Presentation and cutscenes are much better in BG3. The UI is heaps better in pathfinder wotr. BG3 is much easier to understand and play than wotr. Characters and story are about the same, really.
When I finished playing WotR i said to myself "well, sad to admit it, it's the best game in this year, cause everyone else is even worse" . No such thing with bg3, it's not "good only in comparison" type of game.
wotr only ever had companions I actively tried to pursue try to proposition me. well, and the literal sex demon too, but that's excusable, I think. meanwhile every single companion in bg3 tried to bang me one or multiple times, with gale reaching a grand total of 3 attempts despite being shot down every time.
>wotr only ever had companions I actively tried to pursue try to proposition me. well, and the literal sex demon too
Wrong on both accounts, Arueshalae never pursues you and every other romance option other than her and Sosiel (and Galfrey if you want to count her) tries to start the romance at some point without your input
>Camellia and Wenduag offer to fuck >Lann's infamous romance scene in act 2 always happens even if you don't flirt with him >Daeran always flirts with you and you have to shut him down in act 2 for him to stop
Both Arueshalae and Sosiel need you to flirt with them first to start the romance
>2 sec after meeting her
Irrelevant, the point is that she doesn't pursue you unless you start the romance first (and even then she still doesn't seeing as she wants to break up until act 4) >cam and wendog aren't romantically attached
With that logic then you shouldn't be complaining about BG3 companions trying to fuck you, because they're not romantically interested, they just want sex
Very unsubtle goalpost moving, try harder next time
Nope. Arue romance is only started if you >talk about finding love with her and pick the most obvious dialogue >rescue her from the prison and sing a song like a disney prince and princess duo and will chase her if she ran away
wotr sucks >chud tied to the main quest >dogshit homm3 minigame you have to suffer through for hours >rtwp means mindless enemy placement and and the main gameplay is prebuffing yourself
>turning yourself into an animal? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >turning yourself into an undead? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >turning yourself into a literal god? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >turning yourself into a dragon? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >turning yourself into an inanimate object? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >turning yourself into an extradimensional being? that's fine, it's fantasy bro >drinking a potion to turn yourself into the opposite gender? WHAT THE FUCK THAT IS TOO MUCH, THE WEST IS DONE FOR, BILLIONS MUST DIE
reminder that fantasy is literally the one and only place in the world a man can become a woman, and if you deny that you're a brainwashed 4chancel
Pathfinder is one of the most artificially forced and gayy thing ever pushed on this board. Nothing about it is quality, its just zoomers first rpg. RPGs were a mistake.
>more cope >plus some projection this time
embarassing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"I'm not found out!"
I'm calling you a lukewarm IQ, do you need a text box for it? you're free to enjoy the game, don't make it more than it is. >"b-but muh ultra unfair hardcore ironman pro difficulty"
trivialized by proper build planing, cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>trivialized by proper build planing
Post your unfair Areelu win.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm with froggie [...] on this one, show how good you are at the game if you think it so trivial.
ask me in 8 hours, fags. but even if I do you'll cry saying "n-no that doesn't count, you did XYZ"because you're insecure
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
concession accepted
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>so trivial I can't do it!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no that doesn't count, you did XYZ
You're talking to froggy so yes, unless you one shot her on unfair he'll say it doesn't count
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm with froggie [...] on this one, show how good you are at the game if you think it so trivial.
this is a "beat everysoulsborn level 1 without weapon" level of cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm with froggie
>trivialized by proper build planing
Post your unfair Areelu win.
on this one, show how good you are at the game if you think it so trivial.
bg3 characters are purely driven by their sex appeal, otherwise they're not interesting. In early access, everyone called them pompous assholes and believed the worst characters were front-loaded into Act 1 to make players attached to them before the good characters joined. NPC also have this very "millenial" impudent attitude to them.
The story being driven by dire need for parasite cure is overburdening. You should never be sidetracked. The writing is very black and white. If it accidentally makes something morally ambiguous, theres a secret Hitler involved.
And the game is still unfinished, so why even bother.
I find the whole dice skill check pointless. You don't fail forward, so every skill check should be passed. And the game piles you with so many bonuses to make sure you do pass them, why would or should you ever fail?
say what you want about "combat" or "theory crafting" but even fucking pozzed BG3 is less pozzed than Pathfinder, you can't argue about it. You can't jump around it. It's the cringiest pozziest rpg, even more cringe than DoS2, which is impressive. Therefore it is very sad to see all that depth of crafting builds go to waste.
NTA, but Anevia and Irabeth, though fucking annoying, are not REMOTELY as pushed as Isobel and the retarded Assmar.
Irabeth and Anevia get a single hug scene that's over quick, and though they're married, the game actually lets you interact with either the dumb fucking half-orc or the chud separately.
Isobel and SPESHUL THE CHARACTER get multiple hyper-dramatic cutscenes, they do far more than just hug, they KEEP talking about fucking one another's brains out, and they occupy your camp if you let them. WOTR allso at least accurately portrays both Anevia and Irabeth as absolute shitters that don't stand a chance against you, while BG3 tries to put forth both of those retarded bitches as ultra-special and strong, specially the Aasimar lady, with her being NECESSARY to kill Thorm (And if you kill her instead, fuck you, you lose a ton of content), and being portrayed as your equal, even if in-game, she just kinda did fucking nothing on my playthrough.
Both are bad, and I do wish I could just tell the chud or the Butch Paladin to fuck off way earlier in the game (Though I can at least punch the bitch), but BG3 is waaaayy worse with those two.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not to mention you can get Irabeth to stop being such a moody dyke by slashing her in the face and giving her a scar
it's just so fucking gay, it's like pegi +12 pozz. At least BG3 is daring in it's degeneracy, while Pathfinder is politically correct to the bone. Extreme Gay RPG.
>Character building: WotR
This one's no contest. Mythic powers on top of base Pathfinder.
>Companions (and voice acting): BG3
WotR has some interesting companions that break cliches.but ultimately BG3 companions are more involved in the story, have more voiced lines etc. In BG3 all companions are viable vs. WotR having some real train wrecks.
>Gameplay and combat: BG3
There's simply more strategy in BG3. Encounter design is better. Some boss fights are far too easy.
WotR on the other hand is mostly just buffs and characters builds. WotR lacks world interactivity and Crusade mode sucks ass.
>Graphics, presentation, UI: Tied
WotR has a great color palette and use of contrast. The world map, story book sections etc. are comfy. However character models are ugly and the UI could be better (especially in turn-based mode). BG3 looks "childish" but at least it's visually very clear. I prefer the UI in BG3 and character models are certainly far better.
>Music: Tied
WotR is high quality but fairly generic. Some tracks simply overstay their welcome. BG3 is pleasant but a bit forgettable.
>Story: WotR
WotR takes itself more seriously vs. BG3's Marvel quips. The secret ending is genuinely interesting and rewarding.
I'd say they're fairly even honestly. But to be fair WotR was buggy mess for a long time after its launch so it's not entirely fair to compare the games. BG3 is far less buggier and rushed which is saying a lot.
Simply having verticality adds a whole new layer of strategy that WotR doesn't have. Concentration system invalidates pre-buffing and makes you choose what you want to do in combat. Monsters don't have crazy defenses that invalidate most of your spells or builds. Then there's all the DOS2 surface stuff etc (which I don't really care for). That's off the top of my head.
what's the point of twinned hold when martials can kill like 3 enemies in 1 turn
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Instant boss shutdown. Instant shutdown of any threat. You can hold Gortash and the Titan, for example and you can stack up to 30 enchantment DC on a proper build so they have virtually no chance of resisting. Haste gives you more actions, but guaranteed crits against high priority targets and instant disables of those targets have more value.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i don't really remember more than 1 fight where there are 2 things you want to hold
Having a Y axis is nice but it's mainly used to cheese enemies that don't have good loot. Larian also gives you an advantage that isn't in the rules when you claim the high ground, making it central rather than optional. What Larian really has over Owlcat is environmental interactivity (excluding the exploding barrels) rather than verticality.
Concentration eliminates pre-buffing, yes, but Pillars of Eternity's solution was better imo, and I'm not opposed to prebuffing systems in any case. I don't get the complaint about monsters with insane stats given you can complete the game on normal without min-maxing. It's only from Core onwards that you need to know what you're doing and even then hyper autistic dip builds aren't necessary.
Only thing BG3 has over it is the co-op and even that is worse than DOS2 in my opinion, I couldn't believe you only get 3 feats total, what kind of customisation for an RPG is that
BG3 has better map design, combat, reactivity, and interconnectivity than pathfinder. It's not really debatable when both KM and WotR are dicking around on a big overmap to go to copypasted tiny maps where you have like 2 fights that are just resolved by casting haste and clicking once. It's complete shit and you'd have to be a lunatic to think otherwise.
I explained why it's better. BG3 is for retards, but pathfinder is for even bigger retards. Half of the crying about bg3 is third worlders that can't run it and just watched a playthrough on youtube. Why are you wasting all this time arguing over these rpg slops instead of playing a real video games anyways?
WotR has really inconsistent voice acting. Regill's VA puts on an absolutely amazing performance, Areelu's did a fantastic job too. I also really like Nenio's voice but I didn't at first, it took awhile for it to grow on me but it really conveys the character well. Then you have people like fucking Woljif who sounds like the most obnoxious, stereotypical Tiktok zoomer you could possibl imagine, or Ember, who's voice sounds so stilted and awkward (I see what they were going for with her but I don't think they pulled it off).
>My CRPG slop has slightly less gays, lesbians, trannies, furries, and morons everywhere!! your CRPG slop is worse!!! oink oink sloppy tasty oink oink wheeeeeeeeee
Embarassing. Sticking to ARPGs.
>finish bg3 >oh ill try kingmaker its similar >2 hours in >boring as fucking sin >playing a wizard and 90% of my turns are NOT doing wizard shit, instead I'm forced to use a bow because cantrips do 1-3 damage
???
Focus more on what you specialize as bro. want to become a blaster caster? pic precise shot immediately and get snowball and scorching rays. want to CC? get spell focus enchantment and illusion and don't forget tot heighten them later on .
i mean you don't use cantrips in bg3 past the early game either, unless you're warlock. spending 1 turn to do 3d10 singletarget damage at level 12 is hilariously bad
>BG3 trannies have gotten to the point where they have to grasp straws so hard that they legitimately try to say that the music in wotr is worse. >Also legitimately try to say wotr is more pozzed when their game has a chud slider in the character creation.
>hate the sheer amount of pre-buffing >hate missing most of my attacks >feat autism gives me a massive headache >sheer amount of unique build defining gear doesn't help >No way to craft weapons so good luck using exotics
I really should hate this game with the amount of bullshit you have to go through, but I'm almost 300 hours in and still loving every second of it. There just isn't any other game that scratches that dungeon crawler itch with so much build diversity
It's more to do with every choice you make, whether it's your class, subclass, deity, race, subrace, everything WILL have a reaction to it at the most appropriate chance in almost any encounter.
How you approach encounters in the game, whether it's combat, dialogue or past choices, characters will react accordingly to it.
There's loads of cRPGs where you walk around as a Drow and you would get at best, 5 NPCs reacting to it, while in this game you're going to expect at least 60, and that's just for one subrace.
I would say this was mostly true at the beginning of the game and gets less true as you go along. By the end of the game there was less and less reactivity, especially from my companions who just became mutes. I don't know if it was just Larian's game being buggy or not though
It's just Larian cooking the toast on one side but the bread side is still soft on the other side.
it's typical for them, and for pretty obvious reason, the chapter that gets released in EA and one that journos may actually finish before writing a review get's polished, branched out and so on, and then the further you go the worse it gets
i didnt say the game got worse as you progressed. but there was generally a lot less reactivity as u progressed through the game compared to the opening levels.
You know what? That's true, BG3 does have that, at least in the first act. Every class and race does give you some variety(even if I'm not a fan of the actual options you're given as part of that variety for the most part).
Literally just acknowledgement from both your character and the game of your race and/or class, like playing a paladin and getting a paladin only dialogue option that can be there just for RP or in some cases it may help you bypass a skill check
It was much better in every way except production values, yeah. I would say BG3 has a better first act, but it shits the bed hard in Act 2 and 3. Very frontloaded.
Standalone is different but the bosses you fight are the same. i didn't play it for that long but some people say you can even fight Baphomet and deskari at high lvls.
how do people play mages focusing on spells like scorching ray? Monsters have so much AC you will never touch them then theres also Spell resist and Saving throw this shit is just does not seem to be worth the effort.
Because at a certain lvl(7-8) it becomes a non issue. Also scorching rays targets touch AC which is not that high. That is why Alchemist and Wizard/sorcerer are OP damage DPS
im act 3 and my Nenio has 10 Attack while enemy bosses have 40 AC, even if i pass AC check theres still spell res and saving throws to penetrate. I dont see how are touch attack spells ever viable in this game.
Mix in eldritch knight levels, if you feel like you're missing attack bonus. You can make a ray caster in multiple ways by combining Elemental Specialist, Sorcerer dip, Eldritch Knight and Loremaster classes.
>people arguing about whether Wrath or BG3 has the best music >meanwhile there is STILL not a single boss track that ever surpassed this
The only ones that came even close were prankman's four fights. Speaking of, for a mythic adventure Areelu was a pretty poor final boss compared to LK. >inb4 Deskari as Angel
Not once you get him to shit himself.
But that's what I'm saying anon, that I can't really take him as a threat once you make him understand he's going to eat shit forever and he starts panicking. Granted, wouldn't have met the threshold were it not for that feat adding your strength bonus to the intimidation roll.
Idk. i was hitting her somehow like 3-4 times inbetween concelment misses. maybe it was because of Blind fight or the amount of copious buffs i had. played as a 20 Instinct/ 20 Twf btw
BG3 felt better for directly interacting with its world. Abilities in Wrath just boil down to combat use.
One thing I will say that Pathfinder does better is fleshing out your character's place in the world in its CC. BG3 just tosses you a vague background and off you go.
>want to play lich >heard it has you grovelling to Zaccharius most of the path >the undead companions suck >you have fuckall to do during act 4 in the abyss >goes full murderhobo in act 5
is it still worth it bros?
you just described it >want to be a good lich >Dev: a good person doesnt want lichdom so the bulk of their powers will be nerfed >What the fuck? Fine ill do some evil then >Be Zacharius toady and yesman for power >cant do a single thing that isnt sucking up, not even have a debate.
If you want to do it go for it.
you need to grovel exactly once before geting your phylactery and it's like one line otherwise you get a debuff
but I had a lot of fun raising the most powerful enemy on the map as an undead and then using it to clear the rest of the map, most fun I had in the game so far because it felt like I have some agency beyond the 'normal rules' or 'intended design' or whatever even if it really isn't
and on another plus side you can tell Areelu to go fuck herself and still end up basically a god of undeath, so one sucing up traded for another
I enjoyed the last sarkorians and I will enjoy this one, had it not been for through the ashes part 2 it would have been a great second batch of dlc unlike the first one
No, demon is based BECAUSE you don't have to suck up to Nocticula, you can tell her to go fuck herself from the getgo and then just kill her and take over her realm for yourself
>Succing up to mommy Nocticula - based.
have a nice day. The fact that you have to be nice to during the beginning scene to Minagho GF and clean up after the orgy just to get a kiss from Nocti is not worth it when you can kill her and get huge ass Succ harem.
None of the 2nd rate succs are as good as Noctimommy and killing her is a massive and pointless waste since she's far more useful as an ally and """doms""" you only for show since she grants you the rulership of Alushinyrra (which is the capital of her realm) anyway.
>she's far more useful as an ally
She's not, you're outright stronger than her >since she grants you the rulership of Alushinyrra (which is the capital of her realm) anyway
Yeah and then she ascend without you, all that simping for nothing
I swear the only people that lack more self respect than Nocticulafags are Galfreyfags
>d killing her is a massive and pointless waste since she's far more useful as an ally
Bro you and your companions are literally stronger than her at MR 9
I have no idea how anyone can praise owlcats games. They are so insanely hollow and bad. I half suspect it's third worlders too poor to run bg3 so they have to force this narrative.
>People will get filtered the fuck out by the complexity tho
What complexity? Feats don't equal complexity. Hell, actual hard RPGs like KotC2 actually limit your feat choices the further you crank the difficulty up because they trivialize the game otherwise.
>many such cases
I wish there was. The way kotc2 works is that level ups cost gold, and you need to craft your own gear which also costs experience and gold, and you also need to buy very expensive gear, so there's lots of choice and consequences rather than arbitrary progression to string the player along.
Thanks for confirming that you didn't even play KoTC2 and that BG3's combat and CnC is so shit that you got filtered by an actual great D&D game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you didn't even play KoTC2
Of course I didn't. Why would I play some kiddieshit game with no difficulty when I steamrolled 1 with no effort?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like kotc2 and bg3 and think wotr is for retards.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
WoTR is for retards but BG3 is 100x more retarded than WoTR so I don't why people praise that heap of simplified kiddy shit. Shit, the encounter design is 5x more bad compared to WoTR. RPG devs should've looked to KoTC series and PoE2 for combat(also some reactivity and CnC), and Age of Decadence for CnC and reactivity.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only reason to look at kotc is to learn how to make your shit game bomb in the most embarrassing fashion imaginable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You do realize KoTC is not a popular game by any stretch of the imagination right? You do realize that doesn't matter right? You do realize that BG3 will literally be utterly forgotten 2 months onward and will fail compared to a literal game made by far-right chads like Tetris and Minecraft right?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wasn't Tetris made by a commie?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dude was a hardcore capitalist in a commie country. That technically made him a far-right dude. Don't know more about his personal politic but he did say that free and open-source software destroys the market which even to an intellectual far-right nazi like me, is fucking mind-boggling.
https://news.slashdot.org/story/08/02/26/1859249/tetris-creator-claims-foss-destroys-the-market
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the encounter design is 5x more bad compared to WoTR
It objectively isn't and playing the game for literally 15 minutes would make this abundantly obvious. Encounters are almost always designed with intent rather than wotr just throwing blobs of non-descript enemies at you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It objectively isn't and playing the game for literally 15 minutes would make this abundantly obvious.
Oh you mean the 15 minutes casual low-level adventures that gets you through the game without any thought whatsoever? You seem to be utterly dismissing what happened to the game after you reached level 4 and 5.
>Encounters are almost always designed with intent
That's 100x fucking worse you moe-loving fag. They designed it to be thoughtful and engaging and ended up literally being 100x more braindead than Pathfinder's sterile and boring encounter. Just because it had pretty graphic and some retard singing a Disney song doesn't make it good.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>putting thought into encounters is bad
Okay retard, you seem completely sane
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No you retard. I'm saying BG3 utterly failed to convey any of their intended design into the game. The so called physics and imsim elements are rendered redundant by the game's retarded RPG mechanic thanks to 5E and the game's easily broken game mechanic. Literally ALL of the encounters that you will go through have no thought whatsoever since you can caste haste/speed potion and bonk your way to literally any of them even on FUCKING TACTICIAN.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry going to need an autistic youtuber to do a 6 hour take down of the game before you're allowed to point out obvious flaws
KotC2 is hard for real, it is not for beginners. And yes, wotr is a baby game for retards.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh I see, it's for the most insufferable gays like you who can only gain self-esteem through subjecting yourself to some sadist dev's magical realm. No thanks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I quite enjoyed making a mantid monk waifu that could attack 26 times per turn and crit every attack and could move after attacking that had 40 AC and could fly, that's why I enjoyed it. You can make cool builds and fight in cool encounters that actually put up a fight for such power rather than pathfinders autopilot nonsense.
How does the turn based combat compare to the real time with pause combat? Is one just a gimped version of the other?
Part of the reason I played BG3 is because I like turn based combat and have a lot of experience with it. Real time with pause just looks like a bit of a clusterfuck to me.
I've thought about getting a handle on it but mostly just to scrape through Planescape Torment and BG1.
The games aren't really designed around turn based. Activating turn based mode completely breaks encounters and the games throw 50 billion enemies at you because it's designed for rtwp, which makes battles take forever.
In pathfinder you basically just build all your characters to autotrip and trigger AoO on flank and direct your zerg ball into the enemy. People only like it because it's dbz tier power level wank, the game itself is extremely boring and repetitive, and encounter design in WotR is even worse than KM. They are terrible games.
The games aren't really designed around turn based. Activating turn based mode completely breaks encounters and the games throw 50 billion enemies at you because it's designed for rtwp, which makes battles take forever.
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. That it's designed around rtwp with turn based shoehorned in and you end up with the kind of turn based that the people who hate turn based think the whole genre is.
Still interested in giving a shot but I'll hold off for a deep Steam sale and when I'm in the mood.
I suggest you get kingmaker instead of wotr. WotR is a much worse game and the people praising it are legit schizos if this thread wasn't enough of an indication.
The only """men""" who refuse to kiss Noctimommy's hoof are incels with a fragile ego who have never sniffed a woman. Real men can appreciate a good uppity hag and have the mental maturity to play along.
No, the game is extremely bloated. I'm in act 3 and i dread going back to the hub because I know I'm going to get spammed with more shitty side quests. I don't give a shit about sosiels brother or missing crusaders fuck off
One look at the Character Creation screen alone should already tell you which is the vastly superior cRPG >but muh voice acting and graffix
All garbage in cRPGs and only serve to bring the overall game quality down because budget will be spent there instead of much better areas such as more content, classes, spells, feats, abilities, maps, enemies etc.
BG3 is the fucking bimbo of cRPGs, it doesn't even surpass its 20 year old predecessor in most places like magic, story, companions, banter, music.
At least WOTR improved on SOME areas when compared to older cRPGs even if it still loses to BG2 in a few aspects, while trying to push the genre forward.
Build Autism & modding potential is also part of what makes these games live long lives, BG3 might have sold 100000x more but will be mostly dead next year, while you still have autismos playing NWN1 and Pathfinder for different reasons.
>One look at the Character Creation screen alone should already tell you which is the vastly superior cRPG
0.000001% of your time in the game will be spent in the character shit, and your character dipped into 4 different classes will express this build by just doing lots of damage when they autoattack, so not sure how this is impressive.
Thanks. is there no way to get something like Greater blind fight for ranged guys that allows them to turn total concelment and half concelment into 20% Concelment?
Read the darn description. The anwser is literally in the first 2 words.
When you sort by ranged Blind fight is alos in the feat selection so i had to ask
>start kingmaker >reach the first dungeon >giant spiders and lizards drain my stats >spider swarms have like 19 AC on challenging when my to hit bonus with a torch is +3 >nobody can hit them with alchemist fire
epic
I dunno I haven't played either yet.
WotR has:
>Worse voice acting
>Worse combat
>Worse music
>Worse writing
And is far more blatantly pozzed.
Nope.
>And is far more blatantly pozzed.
nah, bg3 is worse
combat
tell me you've never beat core+ without saying you've never beat core+
I've beaten the game several times on hard, the combat is shit, or well, more like the encounters are shit
And no, prebuffing and building isn't combat
this is a "beat everysoulsborn level 1 without weapon" level of cope
You meet moron lesbian paladin like 2 minutes into the game in wotr.
>moron paladin
>moron
why would you expose yourself like that
you just proved you haven't even played the game, just read about it from shitposters here
>Worse music
Hell no
Mythic Power alone mogs every track in BG3
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for me, it's the lich
>Cleared the whole map without resting because I was scared of someone dying
>No spells
>Just this one room left
>this theme starts playing
>Zacharius appears
>OH GOD OH FUCK
Legitimately one of the most tense moments I had in a game, it really fits lich so well
can any bg3 track even compete?
Mythic Power and most of the mythic path themes are great. Can't remmeber a single track from BG3 on the other hand
>myrkul theme
>raphael fight theme
>main screen theme
no to all three. I love bg3 by the way and I probably played it more than you did
>b-but muh generic bombastic orchestral tracks
Literally soulless.
There's a reason everyone got "down the river" stuck in their head.
call this generic
i fucking dare you
Sounds like any generic movie OST. It's decent, sure, but it's definitely generic. If you told me that was something I'd missed from a Nolan movie I'd believe you without a second thought.
because it plays over and over and over during cc?
because it doesn't stop fucking playing. it's good but it doesn't hold a candle to owlcat's soundtracks
not by a long shot is anything in bg3 as good as this. sorry
It felt like every fucking song in BG3 was just some derivative of Down The Fucking River. You hear it constantly. Trash. If I blasted Friday by Rebecca Black at you for hours every day, it'd be stuck in your head too.
This, the game repeats the same goddamn motif in every track. Its fucking distracting if you know even an iota of music theory.
>midwit doesn't know what a leitmotif is
LISA did it better
just checked it and it sounds mediocre, DOS2 rivellon mogs it hard
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Yeah, because I played it with my wife and she had it playing through her laptop speakers too during character gen
You didn't play the game, you wouldn't get it.
>Mythic Power alone mogs every track in BG3
also this
>My hecking disney villain song so basearino
Unholy mother of cringe.
you wouldn't know
>generic orchestra
yaaaaawn
i'll take 1 disney please
>we generic orchestra!
>order me up one of those heckrino disney songs like the 8 in every animated disney film!
Just admit WoTR was too difficult for you to complete act one.
>My VAN down by the river.
The reason is stuck in your head is because its remixed constantly in the game. Just like Divinity 2's theme. You remember i because its all you hear for most of the game.
cringe shit like this would never fly in an owlcat title
too bad you can't hear that over any of the sound effects in the game. literally one counter charm and it's completely drowned out and indecipherable babble
they tried though
Aeon>Lich>Swarm>Legend>Gold Dragon>Angel>Demon>Devil>Azata>Trickster
For themes
>Azata that fucking low
What absolutely fucking garbage horrid taste
I don't like azata or their gay flutes, you can stick them up your ass along with your cringe dragon
Imagine having the lawtard stick so far up your ass that you can't even admit that the azata theme is good
I don't want to lie so yes I can't admit that
This bro mad he'llwill never tap lamia cloaca
What the hell?
I couldn't remember a single song from Wrath. Kingmaker had a better fucking soundtrack and that was also boring shite.
Maybe try getting some taste
Besides the Mythic themes, the only song I actually like is the fight against Baphomet and Deskari.
>The guitar kicking in
>Current objective: survive
KINO
Survive what, Baphomet is a joke
Just use some weaker classes. The game can be a good struggle if you don't make a super power combination team.
this video made me cringe, to see all this talent and hard work wasted on a fucking queerbait nerdshit fagRPG video game
A phenomenal track, I couldn't believe my ears when I first heard it.
>Worse writing
No it doesn't lol.
Also it has a banger OST, even if it's not Bg3 good.
>No it doesn't lol.
I've played both games and I'd say BG3 writing (English lang) is trash and WOTR writing (Russian lang) is worse than trash.
The main weaknesses of BG3 are companions and last minute changes.
WOTR is utter shit overall.
combat
music
writing
lol
>far more blatantly pozzed
lmao
>Worse voice acting
Yes but it's irrelevant unless you're a normie moron that plays cRPGs for WEG tier romancing, waifus and mocap cutscenes. It's why I hate BG3 and most Bioware games. They're barely games, more like interactive novels.
>Worse combat
Bg3 has the worst combat ever seen in a cRPG so that's obviously impossible.
>Worse music
Wrong, BG3 has a total of 3 good songs, one of them is copied from DoS2 lol.
>Worse writing
Again, wrong.
>my eurojank is superior except for this , that, this and these objectively shit features in my game. ... which is why I hate that other, critically acclaimed, massively succesful AAA WRPG, because I'm a special snowflake contrarian bitch
heh
>And is far more blatantly pozzed.
my man
>And is far more blatantly pozzed.
BG3 lets you make a character with They/Them pronouns, tits, a penis and a man's voice.
BG3 has an actual chud pedophile sex offender as a voice actor, what are you talking about?
Only voice acting part is correct
How can anything be more pozzed than BG3?
BG3 has no genders, chuds everywhere and everyone is literally a gay!
>chuds everywhere
There are only like two trannies that they specifically had to hide in act 3
who's the other one?
The circus necromancer
Fucking tieflings. Man, I'm gonna fucking kill them all, I swear, after I'm done killing the Goblins.
Tieflings are for marriage
Not every way but it is an overall better game. But BG3 is a bigger achievement due to the sheer scale and interactivity it offers.
Combat, writing and music are way better than BG3. BG3s 5e combat is ASS.
Interactivity is bait for retards
I agree that it adds little to the gameplay but it helps making the game more immersive.
Kek, what does this even mean? You're playing an rpg if you didn't notice, lack of reactivity is one of the worst things about this game, and the worst part is that it's still better than Kingmaker, the game where you can play as a tiefling and ask about how tieflings work
just stick to vns or toddslop
>Yeah bro my class and race in the roleplaying game? who cares! it's just for numbers!
Like a battered wife
>it's just for numbers
yes
combat
My brother in Christ, it features toggleable RTwP and TB
>voice acting
Comparable though I am biased against british accent. Can't stand it.
>combat
WoTR is better
>music
tie
>writing
subjective, though I prefer WoTR
>more pozzed
lol, lmao even
>Worse voice acting
correct
>Worse combat
correct
>Worse music
debatable
>Worse writing
dialogue is worse but the plot is servicable
>And is far more blatantly pozzed.
The pozz in WOTR is frontloaded. In BG3 it's heavily backloaded
No
It has less reactivity, obviously worse production values, also the combat is worse
That's it, it's better in everything else
it is not worse. pathfinder actually has proper build diversity and punishes you for not making optimal use of all resources available to you
Pathfinder combat is just 2 hours of theorycrafting, then 10 minutes of buffing followed by 2 minutes of fighting.
>is it just straight up better than baldur's gate 3 in every way?
It's better in the only way that matters: it has Nenio.
dialogue is a fucking mid 90's text box
yes, that's the most soulful way to present dialogue in a CRPG.
kys zoomer
it would be were dialogues not written like millenial cringespeak
Isn't fun when you can tell who started with BG3
>dialogue is a fucking mid 90's text box
Lol what
This is literally how dialogue is in every RPG lol, have you never played this genre before?
I fucking HATE bioware behind the shoulder dialogue "so we can show off how expressive our characters are".
my cute trad virgin succubus waifu
Larian would never
>Fuck like most of the hell demons
>In every style possible
>Time to settle
>Finds some stupid ass commander and give him "I have changed bullshit"
>He is rich virgin and loves you
>You win
Fuck that cuck shit honestly
>Remember you are not allowed to have sex with anyone bc you will fail this shithead of a romance
yeah anon, she legitimately changes for the better, thats why its in a fantasy game. Women never do that, but its a nice thing to imagine.
>she legitimately changes for the better
Thats what she wants you to believe.
>Oh sir commander i've never cum on deamon orgies but with YOU yeah i definately came so hard i saw desna my favourite goddes, trust me.
>too busy injecting your own cuck fantasies to even read the text on screen.
I'm not sure what I expected anon.
>>too busy injecting your own cuck fantasies to even read the text on screen.
I've never romanced her. My commander has his dick up the spider girls ass
>It was a wenduagfag
>wenduagfag talking about Cuckshit
Worse romance ever. Arue and Camellia mogs her hard
You realize that particular tale of debauchery Wendy is spinning is a lie right?
That's when she goes and makes a deal with the demon guy, something you can actually find out if you follow her, you even get the option to call her out on the lie.
She never fucked that Incubus, its just her cover story. The only person she is confirmed to have ever fucked is Lann, and they are childhood friends.
Yes it's a lie but the fact that this happened after she basically break down and confessed her feeling make it far worse
>confess that you love the guy
>go on to make deal with Demon sugar daddy to betray him
>tell your boyfriend that you were busy going on a date with a Incubus who fucked her very hard.
This is legit why i hated her. Camellia may be a pscyho but she hasnt't done any of that shit in my current playthrough where i am romancing her. even her rooftop scene is greater than Wenduag shitty tavern scene
>cuck fantasies
It's all they have
>Look, she'll be bad if you literally corrupt her again and push her back into her old lifestyle through your choices.
Anon, you cucked yourself.
Can't you read? he posted her Aeon ending where she stayed faithful even if you have a nice day. There is also a ending if you sacrifice yourself in the worldwound where she copes by staying inside her dreams where you are still alive.
>Time to settle
>Finds some stupid ass commander and give him "I have changed bullshit"
>He is rich virgin and loves you
>gay 4chantard that projects his 3DPD issues onto a fictional character also plays as a virgin
lol
>gay 4chantard that projects his 3DPD issues onto a fictional character also plays as a virgin
Is this 4chan tard in this thread with us?
Best girl out of them all. Her romance is the best in the game and even has some mythic path interaction too
Alpha and beta were rather promising imo.
>clingy eldar that's willing to kill her farseer for you
>SoB that dreams of burning heretics alive and playing with children in a field of flowers
>disney princess mutant that can stun the entire battlefield
>can corrupt interrogator
>all 4 chaos gods have demons
>woke up to daemonettes in my bed after one warp jump
>chance to exterminate planet
>player has permit to tell everyone to fuckoff cuz they're plebs
>space combat is decent
etc.
>ayeee! Is that text in my rpg?
>am I expected to actually read words?
>this is literally genocide
>can corrupt interrogator
How?
Worse, they do that and then post shit like this:
It was more about BG3 and that gimped dice setting to prevent this in the first place.
>How
Iirc it starts with him investigating into a demonic machine and if you don't stop him early on he starts looking too far into it. I think it went further in the data mined files but I'd have to install it to check.
Dumb butt slut.
>>woke up to daemonettes in my bed after one warp jump
I thought i was the only one who got it., was it Alpha or beta?
Damn lewd succubi..
Maybe if you just play it purely as expected, following every quest line via the obvious ways played out to you, and want to go into every combat mashing your party's generic tactic into the enemy. Baldur's Gate 3 is a game of creative problem solving at its heart. It's as much an immersive sim as it is an RPG, and you'll have to acknowledge that one day. Every irrelevant criticism holding up the older style of RPG falls to irrelevance in the face of that.
>Baldur's Gate 3 is a game of creative problem solving at its heart
You wot m8? I like BG3, but 95% of "problem solving" just boils down to killing everyone and then sorting through the corpses. Talking to animals and dead people adds some depth, but there really aren't that many quests where that makes a significant difference.
just because you can play murderhobo does not mean alternative solutions do not exist. its an RPG through and through for a reason.
>hurr durr PF has too many build and feat which is irrelevant since you only need a few
>but BG3 which has infinitely less build, less feat, less skills and fuckload easier to cheese and break the game whilst having redundant gameplay mechanic?
>hurr durr that's suddenly good because umm.....i like watching cuckold scene and gay orgy
What does any of this have to do with his post? Are you a bot?
It means BG3 """"alternative solution""" means jackshit since you can trivialize the entire fucking game by using 1 or 2 abilities.
moron
Good game, but No.
I hope Rogue Trader is good. Leave it to the 40k setting to make fucking an elf actually exotic again.
How come every major CRPG release in the last 5 years has its share of cuck fantasy schizos?
Farmer memes plus autism.
I honestly think it's the usual
>old good new bad
gays
At no point will you ever see any kind of cuckoldry shitposting with any of the old characters
wendubros...
If this was a larian game she would want to fuck Ulbrig even while you're romancing her, and if you said no she would get mad at you
>Valerie in kingmaker cucks you with a farmer
>Arue in wotr cucks you with an entire peasant village
>Shadowslut in bg3 cucks you with 2 drow and a bear
Maybe because devs keep putting cuckshit in their games?
Only one of those happens btw
Its the age of cringe crpg writing
holy hell
also the game looks like league of legends...
i dunno bros... seems like cuckfinder path of the ONIONS ain't for me...
this is from kingmaker
So kingmaker is from a different company?
This moron gets his cuck fantasy where he gets to be the bull and he's STILL bitching about it
Why won't owlcat let us romance the halflings?
>The queens side
Ah, so youre a chud
is wotr plot really worse
i played bg3 and the whole tadpole elder brain plot kind of fell apart towards the end, i'm sure it's not a high bar to clear
both are shit
piracy
No, you'll have people saying its shit because they didn't like specific companions or for other frivilous reason but the plot of WOTR is solid.
I'd say the plot is better in WOTR, but the writing is better in BG3. Companions are better in WOTR, but companion writing is better in BG3. Combat is better in WTOR but encounters are more unique in BG3. With that being said, I rate WOTR as a 9/10 and BG3 as an 8.5/10
>I'd say the plot is better in WOTR
there is no deep plot in WOTR. bg3's just flows better without getting roadbloacked by campaign mechanics (which were better implemented in kingmaker)
>there is no deep plot in WOTR
Stupid take.
>bg3's just flows better without getting roadbloacked by campaign mechanics (which were better implemented in kingmaker)
Plot in BG3 was good for act 1, it was boring in act 2 and outright shitlypaced in Act 3. I dropped it in Act 3 so many times before sucking it up and continuing.
The villains in BG3 are somehow even worse than the ones in WotR and that's saying something, only Ketheric is worth a shit and even then he only gets like two scenes before he dies
>is wotr plot really worse
The plot of WOTR is "a demon lady ripped open a vortex to hell and demons are flooding through, solve the crisis" very linear progress to it. You get an awful RTS attached to it that everyone hates since you become the boss of the military movement since you're so damn awesome you fucking main character.
>RTS
Since when Wrath include REAL TIME strategy?
It's story is much better, I don't know if any RPG can match the epicness of WOTR and I say that in the sense that you go from basically a powerful adventurer to king slayer/ hero to by the end a literal deity contending with gods. Pure kino through and through. Plus the romances are much better in my opinion, sure shadowheart and minthara are cute and a lil crazy, but no one will match the serial killer wife Camellia
>Shadowheart wants to fuck Halsin
>Camellia leaves you and fucks other men
Goes with being a half elf I guess
you had me until >camfag
opinion discarded
>Camcuck
>Likes trite shonen power fantasies
I want another great cRPG trilogy again. Jamming an adventurer's journey to god contender is a bit much. Having a Baldur's Gate Trilogy power progression let's you enjoy each era of the player character's progression much more.
Nah, Kingmaker is (in turn based mode playing on core rules)
WOTR companions were done better(not much snowflake shit backstory)
WOTR story was done better
WOTR music was done better
WOTR build/combat has more depth
WOTR filters normalfags by lacking motion captured high res models
>not much snowflake shit backstory
Every single character in the game is a snowflake of some kind except for the two nogs Ganker hates
>Every single character in the game is a snowflake of some kind except for the two nogs Ganker hates
Ember is anything but a snowflake, she is oblivious to the world around her and for most of her life people just either ignore her or treat her like shit.
Really? Out of all the snowflakes in the cast, you pick the biggest snowflake of them all? She's literally elven jesus christ
I wasn't complaining by the way, but trying to deny that the WotR cast isn't filled with snowflakes is just delusional, although none of them are as blatant as BG3 and it's "I literally fucked the goddess of magic" mage Alistair
She literally redeems a devil just by asking it nicely to be good
She doesn't, Nocticula was already on her way to become good even without Ember's intervention
Then again, it doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks a demon lord is a devil speedreads this fucking fast
>Nocticula was... LE GOOD!
>instead of Ascending spends her time conquering the abyss with her new boytoy
Let's hear some cope, redeemerkeks.
Shes also incredibly prone to the worst endings if things aren't done just right. She's fun to mess with in various ways if youre into that.
Hellknight commander and Shamanic noble serial killer vs "Literally fucked a god woe is me I was trying to love her too much and got heckin' fucked by dark magic."
BG3's characters are well written but terribly bland. you have what... like... 5 elves/halfs you can recruit over the course of the game and zero dwarves?
Shameful.
>Hellknight commander
Who is also a gnome who acts NOTHING like a gnome who is also extremely fucking successful as a hellknight to the point that even other hellknights are surprised at how dedicated he is, also he has one of the highest ranking positions in the order of the godclaw, and also acts as their leader during the game
>noble serial killer
I'll admit I forgot about her, also Greybor, one is just a crazy chick the other is just some random assassin
It was a delightful subversion with Regill, I heard that voice then saw he was a fucking gnome model and it was like "Wait, aren't you supposed to be HECKIN QUIRKY or you die?" and his response was more or less "You're going to die too someday, what the fuck of it?"
Immediately respect. Even playing a lawful goodish kind of run you and him can see eye to eye very clearly on some issues and he still respects your command if you don't. Excellent character, surprisingly bro tier.
Shame the amulet of non-detection gave Cam away immediately as being evil, though I admit not really appreciating just HOW FUCKING EVIL.
I think they went a little too hard trying to subvert expectations
>aasimar but bad
>succubus but good
>gnome but lawful
>black but good
I think a lot of these writers severely underestimate how much people would love a party where all the tropes are played straight, to a t.
>Cantankerous Dwarven warrior with a taste for booze
>Wise old wizard who's seen a lifetime of shit
>Acrobatic and agile street urchin thief (female, because I can fix her)
>Pompous Elven archer who knows the wilderness like the back of their hand
>Half-Orc barbarian who's so angry the only way for him to cool off is drinking contests with the dwarf
These are all infamous tropes, but I can't think of a single game that has every single one of them, together, as your party. I can think of ones that come close - BG1/2, Dragon Age Origins, but nothing that just plays it completely straight.
NOOO we have to be SUBVERSIVE! If I don't SUBVOOORT nobody will know how self aware I am!
Sounds pure undiluted dogshit. Some advice to you: never attempt to write anything.
Ah yes anon, we clearly need to have a chaotic neutral transexual Aasimar who is a member of fantasy Antifa instead. I think you severely underestimate just how many people do indeed want the lawful good Aasimar paladin in their party instead.
Child, I've been playing RPGs since before you were born. No one who has played the genre for any significant amount of time wants cookie cutter cardboard cutout characters with predictable motivations they've seen a hundred times already. I don't care about quirky gay shit, but what I do care about is writers being creative and coming up with characters that do not kill off the game's playerbase by inducing boredom.
Ok boomer now fuck off, nobody cares about your wrinkly dinosaur ass
t.born in 2001
Your post reveals that your desire for tropes to be played straight is actually just a desire for a greater degree of subversion. You're not arguing the merits of these individual tropes or saying why they're interesting, you just want them because "it hasn't been done before," because it's a subversion of the current norm of subversion. You don't actually want a story played straight, you just want to smugly imagine people being upset because you subverted their expectations of the current popular methods of storytelling.
Your post reeks of fart sniffing dude. Relax. Try not to push your glasses too far up your brow ridge. I'm not gonna pretend to be an anthropologist or some shit and claim to know why people like basically Gimli from Lord of the Rings or basically Merlin and would love to have characters like that in their party. All I know is that characters like that and with those tropes have been around for decades, if not centuries, so they must be doing something right to have staying power.
>Gimli
>Merlin
>not subversive characters
You're not very media-literate, are you?
>severely underestimate how much people would love a party where all the tropes are played straight, to a t.
no one will like it and people will call all companion generic stereotypes.
Didn't we have those in kingmaker already?
Nope. the half-orc barbarian is a magus with blue dragon blood and is in a relationship with the half- elf wizard girl
Kingmaker's companion's are
>Angry barbarian STRONG woman
>Angry scorned knight-girl who is Joan of Arc without any of the charm
>Cheerful sisterfu midget
>Snarky smartguy midget
>Slutty magic elf
>Slutty angry orc
>Grumpy emo dwarf
>Possibly autistic virgin boi cleric
>Definitely autistic black man
>Semen demon (literallly) twins
Not exactly the fellowship of the ring or the knights of king arthur's court there.
barbarian STRONG woman
sisterfu midget
People like these characters. I don't get it. Both so obnoxious and overbearing.
I love Linzi.
Sisterfu was fine. She fits the "annoyingly adorable" trope well. It's not always to everyone's cup of tea but I always like having characters like Linzi or Imoen in my party just to juxtapose other edgey/serious characters like Sarevok or Jae'thal.
You can't always have super serious characters in the roster.
The midget that is forced onto you and you can't get rid of unlike every other character until the very end of the game isn't fine at all
That's the flaw I can agree on. It's pretty shit that she sticks onto you especially if you're running an evil party. Owlcat really wanted to push the "she was the narrator all along" angle.
You forgot Jaethal
No one would give a fuck about any of those if they actually acted the way they're meant to act
>WOTRfags cope better
WOTR baddies are pretty generically evil, it only picks up with Areelu
Well yeah, they are demons.
I was unimpressed when a female moron paladin is forced upon my party as the game opens, and as you go through the intro you meet a thin white woman who goes out of their way to introduce you to their lesbian half-orc wife. Like I can buy the lesbian bit, or marrying a half-orc, but not both. It's too much.
It pays off when you bench her ass and get white possibly the best gnome hellknight bro in existence. What a perfectly cast voice too.
Absolutely not.
Combat in PF games is really fucking bad. If I need to install a mod that auto-buffs me because there's dozens of buffs you need to put on otherwise you won't have enough to beat the 90+ AC random fucking monsters have
My human eldritch scion had no problem having 100 + to hit chance. Seems like you have a skill issue
>monk and vivi dips every build
nah homie, lets not forget how buggy kingmaker was at launch and post launch, owlcat deserves nothing.
Yeah except for the graphics and all that shit that just depends on money.
I haven't seen anyone talk about humor because, my god, larian humor is awful. It's always something unfunny totally in the wrong place at the wrong moment.
>Developer's first game made in less than 2 years was buggy.
How long has bg3 been in development? 5 years? And how's the third act doing?
>And how's the third act doing?
It's actually doing decent, one month of updates is terrible but when you compare it with Owlcat's "fix one bug, discover two more" with every update...
Most of the wotr bugs were and are related to classes or can be fixed by reloading. Wotr was fully playable on release, but yes kingmaker was unplayable.
I just think this comparison is hilarious in general considering budgets, studio sizes, and development times.
BG3 is far from perfect but you need to be next level of contrarian to think pathfinder games are better.
>less characters
>less classes
>less challenge
>less musical selection
>shorter
>less variety of enemies and locations
>less variety in companion races/classes
Seems more objectively correct then contrarian m8, though both are good games. I'm thinking you're just a WRPG tourist caught up in the hype though.
>less challenge
the only challenge is planning a build.
Post your unfair Areelu win.
do you accept microsoft excel 97?
it's quite a challenge for weg3 fans
It is. BG3 just had better budget and marketers
No.
weg3 babies simply can't compete
>Large amount of shilling
>Checks reviews
>Average 79
You need to do better than that to get me to try your 100h crpg
Crpgs, filtering retards since 1983.
wotr got rightfully reviewbombed when owlcat tried to sneak in a spyware with an update
It was still like that before their spyware shit, people just get filtered, same reason why Kingmaker was mixed.
And yet BG3 has the same spyware in, quite interesting that no one complained about it, makes one wonder...
I enjoyed both.
No, it's mechanically worse because its rtwp, the dungeon design is virtually non-existent, and the encounters are some of the laziest ever conceived to the point of being insulting. It also has much worse interactivity and reactivity, like several thousand magnitudes. But at least you can larp super hard with your gay annoying tiefling with super devil anime magic self-insert.
bro, you're posting your gay anime persona, right now
the irony is tangible
>In every way
No, it has far worse interactivity with the environment and 0 applications for magic outside of combat
Most other things yeah
>most other things
I would argue that with the implementation of rtwp they've somehow managed to make 3.5e combat worse than 5e combat. Also the maps are generally disjointed and have nothing in them, (many are even reused several times) so bg3 beats it there. So what's left really?
isnt this literally just russian spyware or was that another crpg
i was sure it was pathfinder
>Russian Spyware.
Anon, you need to stop believing everything random chucklefucks tell you. I bet you have a tencent game or cyberpunk installed bad news, and if ROTR is spyware... well I have some bad news for you.
nope
>shit combat
>no voiced dialogue after frauding the opening
>all your builds are just theoretical goyslop you jack off to in your head because combat isnt visceral enough to actually bring any of them to life
>horrible non skippable minigames
>Overworld is traveled by tiles on a map like a game made 20 years ago
i could go on and on. Its literal garbage can tier
>Filtered
>No voiceslop meaning more text meaning more choices
>Literally admitting to having no imagination
>Mod to skip it exists
>Zoomer needs an empty open world to have fun instead of skipping to the good parts
holy fuck just read a book instead dude its much more rewarding and better for your brain than pretending the other half of the game youre playing exists
>Overworld is traveled by tiles on a map like a game made 20 years ago
It's still better than making goblin camp and druid camp 100 meters out of each other and pretend that neither of sides knows where is the other one
Sense of scale is fucked in BG3
Half of those are not even real problems
First playthrough frens, any tips for me?
Eventually, not early, but eventually, get the blind fight feat on every character. Every single one.
Delay poison makes you immune to being poisoned. This will be useful for act 2.
Dont be afraid of buying kingdom money with your gold and selling loot
>shitfinder
shit system, shit games
No, but D:OS2 is.
cam still filters redditors to this day
Cam's canon ending filtered camcucks so hard they made a cope mod
BG3 has better encounter design and more interactivity in its combat, but unfortunately its extremely easy even on tactician so none of its mechanics matter all too much. But unfotunately the babby difficulty + cucked 5e ruleset is what is getting them so many sales to begin with.
>BG3 has better encounter design
It has zero encounter design, because it has zero difficulty. If encounters are not challenging, they're not even worth playing.
>b-but it's the system's fault!
No, it isn't. Even with a mechanically primitive and imbalanced combat system one can create challenging encounters, yet Latrine Studios have never managed to create one in all 3 of their Kiddinity games.
Play it and find out.
You made this thread just to ragebait. Op fuck off and die already.
It is, which is unfortunate because WotR is pretty mid. The people who made WotR clearly actually *liked* CRPGs though and that shows. The demon city in act 4 is obnoxious as fuck but the concept is cool, even if the implementation wasn't great.
Full voice acting is a plague on the RPG genre, because it forces the writers to create primitive dialogue trees with only a handful of possible responses. If you do not enjoy the abundance of dialogue roleplaying opportunities WotR provides, you are moroncattle.
Wrath of the chud is just bland wordy middling tripe. One of the weakest crpgs Ive played
wow your romance novel beat his romance novel shit. go back, chud
For a handful of things, maybe.
The only positive for WoTR I can think of off the top of my head is the character sheets are far nicer. Why is everything so cramped in BG3? Also I guess class variety and leveling up in general is nicer too.
Damn though, once you experience BG3's environments, WoTR just seems like crap.
>mathfinder
filtered by math. stay in school, kid
>Tards defending wotr """writing"""
Shouldn't you be in school or smth?
Nothing is worse than larian writing.
Pathfinder writing is definitely worse. Why you guys keep pretending that Pathfinder has some good qualities beside difficulty and build autism is beyond me.
wrong
Have Larian improved their writing after Original Sin 1? I remember constantly cringing at the wacky Gearbox level humor in practically every single line of dialogue. Even the initially promising murder mystery blew its load too soon by immediately jumping to "YOU'RE DA CHOSEN ONE YOU MUST SAVE ALL OF REALITY" shit.
No, in fact they doubled down on it.
Lol no. Bg3 is atleast somewhat better than their divinity games but it's still somewhat filled with their legendary "belgian humor"
Original Sin 2 is same thing. Baldur's Gate 3 has much less of the quirky comedy shit but there's still a bit of there left in it.
Yes, but respect where it's due, it's less cringe and less pozzed. I mean, it's pozzed in a different way. It's not like Pathfinder where everything is fucking neutered, at least they are daring in their degeneracy and I can somewhat respect that. While pathfinder is just so fucking weak, writing wise, it's repulsive. I even managed to finish DoS2 despite the astronomical levels of cringe shit writing, but I couldn't finish PF
And what's bad about wotr writing? I agree that Neno is shit and i thank the lord above that they atleast grant you the ability to kill her immediately when you see her
>And what's bad about wotr writing
there isn't any
there's nothing straight about either game
karlach is angry at me for killing the druids, anything I can do to make her calm and join me, or do I fulfill my contract
Kill her and get the cool greatsword.
>If the character is doing some sort of action while speaking, have the character model do it instead. I also think it’s a crutch for poor dialogue writing.
It's because it's a lower budget game.
no but it is really good
I didn't know a more LGBT and politically forced RPG than WotR could be possible until I played BG3.
WotR is cool if you're into drawn out shonen power fantasies with unrewarding encounters.
Has about the same level of writing quality.
what do you mean by unrewarding encounters
I can make my own party (total custom) in Wrath, can ignore "romances" completely (nobody jumps into my bed except single scripted events and I can still tell them to fuck off without any consequences, yeah, fuck that lizard dude, have proper turn-based combat and have functional system (Pathfinder is better than 5e). That's enough for me to count Wrath as better. I mean, what's the deal with story? It's just excuse for killing demons and wrecking shit. Premade "companions" belong in trash anyway due to their massively unoptimized stats and classes, so why should I care about what they say? Maybe this gnome dude was okay, rest can dump into pile of shit.
In fact, I played Solasta for last few weeks and had much better 5e experience than whatever BadG 3 could offer me.
Honest answer.
They both do things fun and neat and things shitty and ghey. They both bow to the poz or lean a little hard on the degeneracy. Slightly different playstyles I'd enjoy a mix of like being able to have more than one fucking elixir at a time but doesn't have to be so insanely buff happy you need a buff mod for every long rest. WoTR having a higher level cap feels much better than capping at 12 like BG3. Especially if you really look at some of the abilities and skills each class gets approaching 20th level. Having issues implementing Wish and Power Word: Kill shouldn't ruin the fun of the entire leveling game when 5-8/9 feel like a fucking slog.
>An actual non-shit comparison of the two games.
It's a miracle.
I think that limiting levels in 5e game actually do make a lot of sense. 5e is best suited for low level adventures (up to 10), above that it start to lose momentum fast. Meanwhile Pathfinder was designed to avoid "empty levels" and encourage players to spend whole 20 levels in single class via archetypes system (which is basically multiclassing in other form).
If it can be used as example, Solasta was originally restricted to level 10 and main campaign was fun that way, balanced and well designed in terms of encounters. Dlcs increased cap to 12 and then to 16 but these extra 6 levels barely changed much - when your paladin combat capability peak around level 8 (because she still have just 2 attacks per round + extra from feat, stats are capped at 20 and she don't get more than level 4 spells) and all your wizard gain over extra 6 levels are few higher level spells (that still can be casted twice or once per long rest and cannot be recovered by arcane recovery ability), you can see that something is off.
don't really agree, i feel like your build feels half-ass and unfinished in act 2 of bg3, most of them really only come together at lv12 and a lot of classes prefer even more levels because they have some class features at too high levels to multiclass (looking at you lv11 shadow monk)
the encounters being too easy is a separate issue, the game would be A LOT better if you had more build options with more levels + significantly tougher encounters to capitalize on those stronger builds
cam won
Only thing she "won" was my blade across her stomach. Fucking psycho.
low t
Personally I don't find casting 30 buffs and then autoattacking enemies so hard they die in a single round particularly engaging gameplay.
You are too smart for an average crpg player.
Trash mobs everywhere and the fights feel meaningless. Real-Time mode is unsatisfying and garbage and I don't know why so many crpgs are obsessed with it. Turn-based mode instantly puts me to sleep because I'm fighting trash mobs and fodder 90% of the time.
The trash mobs on the only difficulty that matters are harder than any boss fight larian has ever shat out. In fact, you were filtered by said trash mobs 🙂
>Decide to play a crpg
>"Hmm, which difficulty should I pick?"
>"I know, I'll pick the hardest mode thats called unfair because I'm a pro gamer man :)"
>Gets filtered
>Proceeds to cry
I love how hard pathfinder filters the retards.
Is there any evidence for this?
The people itt that complain about dip builds and unbeatable ac numbers. You know, the type of posters who either didn't play the game at all or picked unfair and came here to cry about it:
i literally played kingmaker (at unfair) and got that fey bitch's secret ending/romance and i fought that giant flaming ball at the end?
stop riding on bg3's success (which revived this genre) to lure people into playing this pos, not to mention owlcat has yet to prove themselves, lets see how bad rogue trader will be (i really hope not but it's owlcat)
Then perhaps you shouldn't have played it at unfair huh? Ya fucking retard.
>a game is not a good role-playing game unless it is filled with meaningless combat encounters for me to win by making sure I picked options that boost numbers as much as possible
Why are retards like this?
just play a vn then
By that logic, boss fights are also meaningless because they're just a check if you "picked options that boost numbers as much as possible".
Do you actually want to play a video game or watch an interactive movie? What even is a roleplaying game to you?
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff
>encounter
>rinse, repeat
it's the best spreadsheet simulator, I'll give you that
>buff buff buff buff buff buff buff
>encounter
>miss miss miss miss miss miss miss
>critical miss
>reload
>rinse, repeat until you don't miss miss miss
is she better than all bg3 companions?
yes
Mercilessly mogs all of them.
I can just HEAR the sitcom laugh tracks, what a fucking terrible character
She's worse, and that's saying something
Nope. i rather have Gale than her any day. even if he wants to show me magic tricks everyday
It's on par with it when it comes to writing. Aka, dogshit, but at least it uses the superior ruleset. Someone please give me a pathfinder game with a DM mode and toolset please.
>launch wotr
>look up most overpowered builds for every character
>play below core dificulty
>heh game is too easy, there is literally no challenge
Not in every way. Presentation and cutscenes are much better in BG3. The UI is heaps better in pathfinder wotr. BG3 is much easier to understand and play than wotr. Characters and story are about the same, really.
When I finished playing WotR i said to myself "well, sad to admit it, it's the best game in this year, cause everyone else is even worse" . No such thing with bg3, it's not "good only in comparison" type of game.
wotr only ever had companions I actively tried to pursue try to proposition me. well, and the literal sex demon too, but that's excusable, I think. meanwhile every single companion in bg3 tried to bang me one or multiple times, with gale reaching a grand total of 3 attempts despite being shot down every time.
RPG romance was a mistake.
Except Arueshalae. She's a blssed mistake.
arue is disgusting you have to be a degenerate coomer pedo to like her
>coomer pedo
Reddit is the other way
>wotr only ever had companions I actively tried to pursue try to proposition me. well, and the literal sex demon too
Wrong on both accounts, Arueshalae never pursues you and every other romance option other than her and Sosiel (and Galfrey if you want to count her) tries to start the romance at some point without your input
everything in this post is wrong
>Camellia and Wenduag offer to fuck
>Lann's infamous romance scene in act 2 always happens even if you don't flirt with him
>Daeran always flirts with you and you have to shut him down in act 2 for him to stop
Both Arueshalae and Sosiel need you to flirt with them first to start the romance
arue falls for you after 2 sec of meeting her
cam and wendog aren't romantically attached to you unless you simp/babysit them
>2 sec after meeting her
Irrelevant, the point is that she doesn't pursue you unless you start the romance first (and even then she still doesn't seeing as she wants to break up until act 4)
>cam and wendog aren't romantically attached
With that logic then you shouldn't be complaining about BG3 companions trying to fuck you, because they're not romantically interested, they just want sex
Very unsubtle goalpost moving, try harder next time
>irrelevant
Holy cope
Nope. Arue romance is only started if you
>talk about finding love with her and pick the most obvious dialogue
>rescue her from the prison and sing a song like a disney prince and princess duo and will chase her if she ran away
wotr sucks
>chud tied to the main quest
>dogshit homm3 minigame you have to suffer through for hours
>rtwp means mindless enemy placement and and the main gameplay is prebuffing yourself
>turning yourself into an animal? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>turning yourself into an undead? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>turning yourself into a literal god? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>turning yourself into a dragon? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>turning yourself into an inanimate object? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>turning yourself into an extradimensional being? that's fine, it's fantasy bro
>drinking a potion to turn yourself into the opposite gender? WHAT THE FUCK THAT IS TOO MUCH, THE WEST IS DONE FOR, BILLIONS MUST DIE
reminder that fantasy is literally the one and only place in the world a man can become a woman, and if you deny that you're a brainwashed 4chancel
>RTWP
>trash mobs
AHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
wotr sucks ass. owlcat sucks ass
filtered
There is no point in searching dungeons for powerful gear if you don't have trash mobs to unleash it all on.
Same way there is no point in looking forward to level 20 if there is only 1 battle left by the time you are level 20.
Lol no.
Owlcat games are absolute trash, and they added literal spyware to it.
>posted from my iPhone
Actually, I have a pixel with GrapheneOS.
Pathfinder is one of the most artificially forced and gayy thing ever pushed on this board. Nothing about it is quality, its just zoomers first rpg. RPGs were a mistake.
>the most mechanically complicated RPG is "zoomers first RPG"
damn, didn't know zoomers were this based
complicated doesn't equate good or well-made. you use your brain more playing Xcom. Dark Souls isn't mechanically complicated.
>brainlet cope
keep it coming
>"n-no my baby game is big brain I swear"
you've copied your build and followed a guide 100%
>more cope
>plus some projection this time
embarassing
>"I'm not found out!"
I'm calling you a lukewarm IQ, do you need a text box for it? you're free to enjoy the game, don't make it more than it is.
>"b-but muh ultra unfair hardcore ironman pro difficulty"
trivialized by proper build planing, cope
>trivialized by proper build planing
Post your unfair Areelu win.
ask me in 8 hours, fags. but even if I do you'll cry saying "n-no that doesn't count, you did XYZ"because you're insecure
concession accepted
>so trivial I can't do it!
>no that doesn't count, you did XYZ
You're talking to froggy so yes, unless you one shot her on unfair he'll say it doesn't count
I'm with froggie
on this one, show how good you are at the game if you think it so trivial.
bg3 characters are purely driven by their sex appeal, otherwise they're not interesting. In early access, everyone called them pompous assholes and believed the worst characters were front-loaded into Act 1 to make players attached to them before the good characters joined. NPC also have this very "millenial" impudent attitude to them.
The story being driven by dire need for parasite cure is overburdening. You should never be sidetracked. The writing is very black and white. If it accidentally makes something morally ambiguous, theres a secret Hitler involved.
And the game is still unfinished, so why even bother.
I find the whole dice skill check pointless. You don't fail forward, so every skill check should be passed. And the game piles you with so many bonuses to make sure you do pass them, why would or should you ever fail?
>loved kingmaker
>can't get into this for some reason
why?? am I retarded or its just shittier??
no, WotR is just bloated kingmaker with worse companions
Both. how the fuck can you get filtered by Wotr if you played Kingmaker? it's 1:1 the same game but now with mythic powers
>can you get filtered by Wotr
its just fucking boring compared to kingmaker
I present to you the true king of CRPGs Pathfinder Kinomaker....Bladders Gay 3 and Wotr just can't compete with the comfy stolen lands.
In reality everybody hates to downgrade from wotr to kingmaker. Less feat options and less class options is a real downer.
say what you want about "combat" or "theory crafting" but even fucking pozzed BG3 is less pozzed than Pathfinder, you can't argue about it. You can't jump around it. It's the cringiest pozziest rpg, even more cringe than DoS2, which is impressive. Therefore it is very sad to see all that depth of crafting builds go to waste.
Not really.
What kind of own do you think this is? Okay, two dykes
Now I present you: two dykes, and one of them used to be a man
The dykeshit is just very in your face. And BG3 has trannies too.
>The dykeshit is just very in your face
And Anevia and Irabeth aren't?
NTA, but Anevia and Irabeth, though fucking annoying, are not REMOTELY as pushed as Isobel and the retarded Assmar.
Irabeth and Anevia get a single hug scene that's over quick, and though they're married, the game actually lets you interact with either the dumb fucking half-orc or the chud separately.
Isobel and SPESHUL THE CHARACTER get multiple hyper-dramatic cutscenes, they do far more than just hug, they KEEP talking about fucking one another's brains out, and they occupy your camp if you let them. WOTR allso at least accurately portrays both Anevia and Irabeth as absolute shitters that don't stand a chance against you, while BG3 tries to put forth both of those retarded bitches as ultra-special and strong, specially the Aasimar lady, with her being NECESSARY to kill Thorm (And if you kill her instead, fuck you, you lose a ton of content), and being portrayed as your equal, even if in-game, she just kinda did fucking nothing on my playthrough.
Both are bad, and I do wish I could just tell the chud or the Butch Paladin to fuck off way earlier in the game (Though I can at least punch the bitch), but BG3 is waaaayy worse with those two.
Not to mention you can get Irabeth to stop being such a moody dyke by slashing her in the face and giving her a scar
I killed both of them as the durge and enjoyed it. No hot women are going to be lesbians and unavailable on my watch.
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
wow, what an eloquent point you're making there
it's just so fucking gay, it's like pegi +12 pozz. At least BG3 is daring in it's degeneracy, while Pathfinder is politically correct to the bone. Extreme Gay RPG.
>Character building: WotR
This one's no contest. Mythic powers on top of base Pathfinder.
>Companions (and voice acting): BG3
WotR has some interesting companions that break cliches.but ultimately BG3 companions are more involved in the story, have more voiced lines etc. In BG3 all companions are viable vs. WotR having some real train wrecks.
>Gameplay and combat: BG3
There's simply more strategy in BG3. Encounter design is better. Some boss fights are far too easy.
WotR on the other hand is mostly just buffs and characters builds. WotR lacks world interactivity and Crusade mode sucks ass.
>Graphics, presentation, UI: Tied
WotR has a great color palette and use of contrast. The world map, story book sections etc. are comfy. However character models are ugly and the UI could be better (especially in turn-based mode). BG3 looks "childish" but at least it's visually very clear. I prefer the UI in BG3 and character models are certainly far better.
>Music: Tied
WotR is high quality but fairly generic. Some tracks simply overstay their welcome. BG3 is pleasant but a bit forgettable.
>Story: WotR
WotR takes itself more seriously vs. BG3's Marvel quips. The secret ending is genuinely interesting and rewarding.
I'd say they're fairly even honestly. But to be fair WotR was buggy mess for a long time after its launch so it's not entirely fair to compare the games. BG3 is far less buggier and rushed which is saying a lot.
>There's simply more strategy in BG3.
I'd like you to qualify that statement.
Simply having verticality adds a whole new layer of strategy that WotR doesn't have. Concentration system invalidates pre-buffing and makes you choose what you want to do in combat. Monsters don't have crazy defenses that invalidate most of your spells or builds. Then there's all the DOS2 surface stuff etc (which I don't really care for). That's off the top of my head.
you mean concentration invalidates most spells outright because they're usually just inferior to twincast haste
Hey, if you want to be a min-maxing turbo autist then WotR is the game for you.
>twincast haste
You mean Enchanter-twinned Hold Person/Monster.
what's the point of twinned hold when martials can kill like 3 enemies in 1 turn
Instant boss shutdown. Instant shutdown of any threat. You can hold Gortash and the Titan, for example and you can stack up to 30 enchantment DC on a proper build so they have virtually no chance of resisting. Haste gives you more actions, but guaranteed crits against high priority targets and instant disables of those targets have more value.
i don't really remember more than 1 fight where there are 2 things you want to hold
Having a Y axis is nice but it's mainly used to cheese enemies that don't have good loot. Larian also gives you an advantage that isn't in the rules when you claim the high ground, making it central rather than optional. What Larian really has over Owlcat is environmental interactivity (excluding the exploding barrels) rather than verticality.
Concentration eliminates pre-buffing, yes, but Pillars of Eternity's solution was better imo, and I'm not opposed to prebuffing systems in any case. I don't get the complaint about monsters with insane stats given you can complete the game on normal without min-maxing. It's only from Core onwards that you need to know what you're doing and even then hyper autistic dip builds aren't necessary.
>hyper autistic dip builds aren't necessary.
For Core, I mean. After that then sure.
Only thing BG3 has over it is the co-op and even that is worse than DOS2 in my opinion, I couldn't believe you only get 3 feats total, what kind of customisation for an RPG is that
BG3 has better map design, combat, reactivity, and interconnectivity than pathfinder. It's not really debatable when both KM and WotR are dicking around on a big overmap to go to copypasted tiny maps where you have like 2 fights that are just resolved by casting haste and clicking once. It's complete shit and you'd have to be a lunatic to think otherwise.
as opposed to bg3 where you click haste twice and weapon attack a few times
>complains about pathfinder combat being simple
>at the same time mentions BG3 being better
holy fuck come on now
I explained why it's better. BG3 is for retards, but pathfinder is for even bigger retards. Half of the crying about bg3 is third worlders that can't run it and just watched a playthrough on youtube. Why are you wasting all this time arguing over these rpg slops instead of playing a real video games anyways?
who the fuck is hope anyway
WotR has really inconsistent voice acting. Regill's VA puts on an absolutely amazing performance, Areelu's did a fantastic job too. I also really like Nenio's voice but I didn't at first, it took awhile for it to grow on me but it really conveys the character well. Then you have people like fucking Woljif who sounds like the most obnoxious, stereotypical Tiktok zoomer you could possibl imagine, or Ember, who's voice sounds so stilted and awkward (I see what they were going for with her but I don't think they pulled it off).
Does WotR just have voice acting for some scenes? I've looked at different clips and sometimes there's voice and other times there's not.
Yes
No one is posting any waifus from the game so I have to imagine this shit fucking sucks.
Maybe try reading the 300+ replies thread before posting
>My CRPG slop has slightly less gays, lesbians, trannies, furries, and morons everywhere!! your CRPG slop is worse!!! oink oink sloppy tasty oink oink wheeeeeeeeee
Embarassing. Sticking to ARPGs.
WHEN ARE THEY DROPPING THE CITADEL DLC?
I WANT TO FINALLY BEAT THIS GAME
Like 3-4 months from now.
When the 3.5 unpaid interns finish it.
Two more weeks
pretty sure that the "standalone campaign" shit no one cares about is first, so it will be a fucking while
>finish bg3
>oh ill try kingmaker its similar
>2 hours in
>boring as fucking sin
>playing a wizard and 90% of my turns are NOT doing wizard shit, instead I'm forced to use a bow because cantrips do 1-3 damage
???
bro you should try this epic youtube build dont forget your monk dip
Snowball, Grease, and Glitterdust are your bread and butter wizard spells that let you do proper earl game wizardry.
Focus more on what you specialize as bro. want to become a blaster caster? pic precise shot immediately and get snowball and scorching rays. want to CC? get spell focus enchantment and illusion and don't forget tot heighten them later on .
I will give BG3 this. The fact that cantrips don't scale in Pathfinder is a crime.
i mean you don't use cantrips in bg3 past the early game either, unless you're warlock. spending 1 turn to do 3d10 singletarget damage at level 12 is hilariously bad
>3d10 singletarget damage at level 12 is hilariously bad
Is there no way to increase the damage dice like you can as a Kineticist?
you'd need to quadruple that damage to keep up with martials
this
especially grease, being stinkmage, as in grease, stinking cloud, cloudkill is not just a way to win but to steamroll the game
>wizard
>monk dip
retard.
seething owlchud
What does a monk dip give a Wizard? Your entire focus should either be buffing up your ranged touch spells or stacking the shit out of your DC.
At least pretend to understand the system ou're disparaging
incredible seethe owlchud
>BG3 trannies have gotten to the point where they have to grasp straws so hard that they legitimately try to say that the music in wotr is worse.
>Also legitimately try to say wotr is more pozzed when their game has a chud slider in the character creation.
>hate the sheer amount of pre-buffing
>hate missing most of my attacks
>feat autism gives me a massive headache
>sheer amount of unique build defining gear doesn't help
>No way to craft weapons so good luck using exotics
I really should hate this game with the amount of bullshit you have to go through, but I'm almost 300 hours in and still loving every second of it. There just isn't any other game that scratches that dungeon crawler itch with so much build diversity
Alright, I've heard a lot about BG3 having reactivity and whatnot. Can some fans of BG3 explain to me what they mean by that? Like give me specifics.
It's more to do with every choice you make, whether it's your class, subclass, deity, race, subrace, everything WILL have a reaction to it at the most appropriate chance in almost any encounter.
How you approach encounters in the game, whether it's combat, dialogue or past choices, characters will react accordingly to it.
There's loads of cRPGs where you walk around as a Drow and you would get at best, 5 NPCs reacting to it, while in this game you're going to expect at least 60, and that's just for one subrace.
I would say this was mostly true at the beginning of the game and gets less true as you go along. By the end of the game there was less and less reactivity, especially from my companions who just became mutes. I don't know if it was just Larian's game being buggy or not though
It's just Larian cooking the toast on one side but the bread side is still soft on the other side.
Was kind of the same thing for DOS2. Fort Joy was amazing, mid game was good, but then you get to the Island and the game becomes quite horrible
it's typical for them, and for pretty obvious reason, the chapter that gets released in EA and one that journos may actually finish before writing a review get's polished, branched out and so on, and then the further you go the worse it gets
> By the end of the game there was less and less reactivity
true. Deus Ex, Pathfinder, FO, etc. also suffer from the same fate.
>Deus Ex
Nope. Area 51 and the last level is great.
i didnt say the game got worse as you progressed. but there was generally a lot less reactivity as u progressed through the game compared to the opening levels.
You know what? That's true, BG3 does have that, at least in the first act. Every class and race does give you some variety(even if I'm not a fan of the actual options you're given as part of that variety for the most part).
Literally just acknowledgement from both your character and the game of your race and/or class, like playing a paladin and getting a paladin only dialogue option that can be there just for RP or in some cases it may help you bypass a skill check
It was much better in every way except production values, yeah. I would say BG3 has a better first act, but it shits the bed hard in Act 2 and 3. Very frontloaded.
BG3 was too easy. Even on Tactician it felt like Journalist difficulty. I had to actually use my brain on Core in WoTR
>I had to actually use my brain on Core in WoTR
read as "I was using the wong build"
How does the standalone midnight isles DLC work? Is it infinite dungeons? Or do I go through the same bosses as I do in the campaign version.
Standalone is different but the bosses you fight are the same. i didn't play it for that long but some people say you can even fight Baphomet and deskari at high lvls.
yes
it's both a better game and even a better spiritual successor to BG2 than BG3
it's by no means perfect, sure, but in comparison it fucking shines
how do people play mages focusing on spells like scorching ray? Monsters have so much AC you will never touch them then theres also Spell resist and Saving throw this shit is just does not seem to be worth the effort.
Because at a certain lvl(7-8) it becomes a non issue. Also scorching rays targets touch AC which is not that high. That is why Alchemist and Wizard/sorcerer are OP damage DPS
im act 3 and my Nenio has 10 Attack while enemy bosses have 40 AC, even if i pass AC check theres still spell res and saving throws to penetrate. I dont see how are touch attack spells ever viable in this game.
Did you pick spell pen and spell pen mythic? don't forget to grab precise shot too
>spell res
>act 3
Robe of Inevitability, Ring of Pyromania, Goggles of Pure Sight, Quarterstaff of the Warmage.
>saving throws to penetrate
Damaging rays like Scorching Ray and Hellfire Ray don't need to beat saves, just hit touch AC.
Ray and DC casting require completely different builds.
Also, if you're new to playing a caster, go look at some builds here:
https://pastebin.com/u/pwrg_builds
>Expanded arsenal
Mix in eldritch knight levels, if you feel like you're missing attack bonus. You can make a ray caster in multiple ways by combining Elemental Specialist, Sorcerer dip, Eldritch Knight and Loremaster classes.
>people arguing about whether Wrath or BG3 has the best music
>meanwhile there is STILL not a single boss track that ever surpassed this
The only ones that came even close were prankman's four fights. Speaking of, for a mythic adventure Areelu was a pretty poor final boss compared to LK.
>inb4 Deskari as Angel
Not once you get him to shit himself.
I don't care how basic people think I am but Bhaalspawn Battle can't be topped:
Still good taste anon, third favorite IE boss theme
>Not once you get him to shit himself.
CHAlet. Imagine not having Arue or Ember in your party to diplomacy or intimadate
But that's what I'm saying anon, that I can't really take him as a threat once you make him understand he's going to eat shit forever and he starts panicking. Granted, wouldn't have met the threshold were it not for that feat adding your strength bonus to the intimidation roll.
I just did an Angel run and never got this, did I fuck up by letting the Inheritor leave to rediscover himself after healing him?
>Needing your waifu or your daughterfu to intimidate Deskari instead of doing it yourself
Bro...
>Areelu was a pretty poor final boss compared to LK
How? The meme king is piss easy, Areelu is way harder
NTa but Areelu was only harder when i was playing as a angel. She ws piss easy in my other playthrough as a Lich and a Legend
How exactly do you do to find her easier on legend than on angel, with that shitty areshkagal aspect being there
Idk. i was hitting her somehow like 3-4 times inbetween concelment misses. maybe it was because of Blind fight or the amount of copious buffs i had. played as a 20 Instinct/ 20 Twf btw
wait for the bg3 expansion and watch owlkeks seethe
What expansion? They're not releasing anything
Probably meant Definitive Edition - which we all know is coming. Even if Larian denies it (to prevent loss of launch sales).
pretty funny how Ganker used to shit on this game relentlessly but now it's some sort of masterpiece? top kek
that's because nu-rpg more popular that muh rpg.
wotw has lower lows than even act 3 of bg3 (which people like to hate on but i thought was pretty good)
i liked wotr, didnt like kingmaker and didnt like bg3.
BG3 felt better for directly interacting with its world. Abilities in Wrath just boil down to combat use.
One thing I will say that Pathfinder does better is fleshing out your character's place in the world in its CC. BG3 just tosses you a vague background and off you go.
What's the citadel dlc supposed to add anyways? A few quests and stuff like the last sarkonians?
If you played the actual Citadel DLC you should know what it adds
I'm sure they will love their guest of honor and shit won't be awkward at all
>want to play lich
>heard it has you grovelling to Zaccharius most of the path
>the undead companions suck
>you have fuckall to do during act 4 in the abyss
>goes full murderhobo in act 5
is it still worth it bros?
you just described it
>want to be a good lich
>Dev: a good person doesnt want lichdom so the bulk of their powers will be nerfed
>What the fuck? Fine ill do some evil then
>Be Zacharius toady and yesman for power
>cant do a single thing that isnt sucking up, not even have a debate.
If you want to do it go for it.
you need to grovel exactly once before geting your phylactery and it's like one line otherwise you get a debuff
but I had a lot of fun raising the most powerful enemy on the map as an undead and then using it to clear the rest of the map, most fun I had in the game so far because it felt like I have some agency beyond the 'normal rules' or 'intended design' or whatever even if it really isn't
and on another plus side you can tell Areelu to go fuck herself and still end up basically a god of undeath, so one sucing up traded for another
If Owlkeks do not add a date with Nenio, I will never buy any of their games ever again.
isn't the game big enough. does it need more dlc?
Act 5 is completely barebones
>Retards creaming themselves over another shitty dlc
lol
I enjoyed the last sarkorians and I will enjoy this one, had it not been for through the ashes part 2 it would have been a great second batch of dlc unlike the first one
Succing up to mommy Nocticula - based.
Sucking up to some crusty old undead boomer - cringe.
This is why Demon will always be the best.
No, demon is based BECAUSE you don't have to suck up to Nocticula, you can tell her to go fuck herself from the getgo and then just kill her and take over her realm for yourself
>Succing up to mommy Nocticula - based.
have a nice day. The fact that you have to be nice to during the beginning scene to Minagho GF and clean up after the orgy just to get a kiss from Nocti is not worth it when you can kill her and get huge ass Succ harem.
None of the 2nd rate succs are as good as Noctimommy and killing her is a massive and pointless waste since she's far more useful as an ally and """doms""" you only for show since she grants you the rulership of Alushinyrra (which is the capital of her realm) anyway.
>she's far more useful as an ally
She's not, you're outright stronger than her
>since she grants you the rulership of Alushinyrra (which is the capital of her realm) anyway
Yeah and then she ascend without you, all that simping for nothing
I swear the only people that lack more self respect than Nocticulafags are Galfreyfags
>She's not, you're outright stronger than her
Being stronger than her doesn't mean you're not going to be even stronger with her.
>Yeah and then she ascend without you
Wrong
. You didn't beat the game.
Nocticula WILL ascend, this is canon, even if you go out of your way to pick the evil option during Ember's questline
>Nocticula WILL ascend
Point me to the precise place where it is said in the ending.
>this is canon
The only canon is the ending I choose. Cope.
>d killing her is a massive and pointless waste since she's far more useful as an ally
Bro you and your companions are literally stronger than her at MR 9
Sucking up to anyone is cringe. Legend is the best path.
I wish more games let you self-destruct so hard that you start making the antagonist uncomfortable
Careful, you're going to trigger anti-Iomemefags.
I have no idea how anyone can praise owlcats games. They are so insanely hollow and bad. I half suspect it's third worlders too poor to run bg3 so they have to force this narrative.
Observe closely, this is how you spot a filtered shitter.
Is the druid dlc good?
Shifter is a shapeshifting martial and Ulbrig is based
Here is your new Pathfinder game waifu bro.
Oh and just so you know these things pray upon Human male to lay eggs inside them. Kinky
Not in every way, but all around? Without a doubt
People will get filtered the fuck out by the complexity tho
>People will get filtered the fuck out by the complexity tho
What complexity? Feats don't equal complexity. Hell, actual hard RPGs like KotC2 actually limit your feat choices the further you crank the difficulty up because they trivialize the game otherwise.
Never played kotc2, but 1 was piss easy.
KotC2 is much more complex than 1 and comes with a 400 page manual.
>m-muh manual
Child, anyone who played 3.5e games will steamroll kotc without any manuals, don't heckin' kid yourself, kid.
>"actually hard" RPG is only hard because it hobbles the player
many such cases
yeah because of the homebrew
>many such cases
I wish there was. The way kotc2 works is that level ups cost gold, and you need to craft your own gear which also costs experience and gold, and you also need to buy very expensive gear, so there's lots of choice and consequences rather than arbitrary progression to string the player along.
>hack&slash trash
>C&C
Laugh at the codexchud.
Thanks for confirming that you didn't even play KoTC2 and that BG3's combat and CnC is so shit that you got filtered by an actual great D&D game.
>you didn't even play KoTC2
Of course I didn't. Why would I play some kiddieshit game with no difficulty when I steamrolled 1 with no effort?
I like kotc2 and bg3 and think wotr is for retards.
WoTR is for retards but BG3 is 100x more retarded than WoTR so I don't why people praise that heap of simplified kiddy shit. Shit, the encounter design is 5x more bad compared to WoTR. RPG devs should've looked to KoTC series and PoE2 for combat(also some reactivity and CnC), and Age of Decadence for CnC and reactivity.
The only reason to look at kotc is to learn how to make your shit game bomb in the most embarrassing fashion imaginable.
You do realize KoTC is not a popular game by any stretch of the imagination right? You do realize that doesn't matter right? You do realize that BG3 will literally be utterly forgotten 2 months onward and will fail compared to a literal game made by far-right chads like Tetris and Minecraft right?
Wasn't Tetris made by a commie?
Dude was a hardcore capitalist in a commie country. That technically made him a far-right dude. Don't know more about his personal politic but he did say that free and open-source software destroys the market which even to an intellectual far-right nazi like me, is fucking mind-boggling.
https://news.slashdot.org/story/08/02/26/1859249/tetris-creator-claims-foss-destroys-the-market
>the encounter design is 5x more bad compared to WoTR
It objectively isn't and playing the game for literally 15 minutes would make this abundantly obvious. Encounters are almost always designed with intent rather than wotr just throwing blobs of non-descript enemies at you.
>It objectively isn't and playing the game for literally 15 minutes would make this abundantly obvious.
Oh you mean the 15 minutes casual low-level adventures that gets you through the game without any thought whatsoever? You seem to be utterly dismissing what happened to the game after you reached level 4 and 5.
>Encounters are almost always designed with intent
That's 100x fucking worse you moe-loving fag. They designed it to be thoughtful and engaging and ended up literally being 100x more braindead than Pathfinder's sterile and boring encounter. Just because it had pretty graphic and some retard singing a Disney song doesn't make it good.
>putting thought into encounters is bad
Okay retard, you seem completely sane
No you retard. I'm saying BG3 utterly failed to convey any of their intended design into the game. The so called physics and imsim elements are rendered redundant by the game's retarded RPG mechanic thanks to 5E and the game's easily broken game mechanic. Literally ALL of the encounters that you will go through have no thought whatsoever since you can caste haste/speed potion and bonk your way to literally any of them even on FUCKING TACTICIAN.
Sorry going to need an autistic youtuber to do a 6 hour take down of the game before you're allowed to point out obvious flaws
If I'm reading the reviews right this makes Owlkek encounter design look inspired and fair.
KotC2 is hard for real, it is not for beginners. And yes, wotr is a baby game for retards.
Oh I see, it's for the most insufferable gays like you who can only gain self-esteem through subjecting yourself to some sadist dev's magical realm. No thanks.
I quite enjoyed making a mantid monk waifu that could attack 26 times per turn and crit every attack and could move after attacking that had 40 AC and could fly, that's why I enjoyed it. You can make cool builds and fight in cool encounters that actually put up a fight for such power rather than pathfinders autopilot nonsense.
Impressive, very nice. Now, solve the riddle.
post your iron man unfair clear.
How does the turn based combat compare to the real time with pause combat? Is one just a gimped version of the other?
Part of the reason I played BG3 is because I like turn based combat and have a lot of experience with it. Real time with pause just looks like a bit of a clusterfuck to me.
I've thought about getting a handle on it but mostly just to scrape through Planescape Torment and BG1.
WOTR has a turn based mode
Yeah, I can read a Steam page dumbass. That's why I'm wondering if I'll be fucked if I choose one or the other.
you can switch between them on the fly.
You can switch on the fly by pressing T
The games aren't really designed around turn based. Activating turn based mode completely breaks encounters and the games throw 50 billion enemies at you because it's designed for rtwp, which makes battles take forever.
In pathfinder you basically just build all your characters to autotrip and trigger AoO on flank and direct your zerg ball into the enemy. People only like it because it's dbz tier power level wank, the game itself is extremely boring and repetitive, and encounter design in WotR is even worse than KM. They are terrible games.
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. That it's designed around rtwp with turn based shoehorned in and you end up with the kind of turn based that the people who hate turn based think the whole genre is.
Still interested in giving a shot but I'll hold off for a deep Steam sale and when I'm in the mood.
I suggest you get kingmaker instead of wotr. WotR is a much worse game and the people praising it are legit schizos if this thread wasn't enough of an indication.
The only """men""" who refuse to kiss Noctimommy's hoof are incels with a fragile ego who have never sniffed a woman. Real men can appreciate a good uppity hag and have the mental maturity to play along.
No, the game is extremely bloated. I'm in act 3 and i dread going back to the hub because I know I'm going to get spammed with more shitty side quests. I don't give a shit about sosiels brother or missing crusaders fuck off
Larian will never let me feel the power to oneshot a Demon Lord.
>snoygelchud
>nodamage
Name a more iconic duo.
Nobody cares, frogshitter.
I accept your seething concession.
Didn't ask, don't care.
I love Cavalier so much. It's one of the best martial class in this game.
holy shit this game looks like ass
Indieshit trannies will always overhype their vaporware.
>vaporware
The game is out and has a 50 hour long campaign. How is it vaporware?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
*wheeze*
OH NO NO NO NO
You can set it to tab mode and it just looks like a 1:1 recreation of dnd tabletop.
One look at the Character Creation screen alone should already tell you which is the vastly superior cRPG
>but muh voice acting and graffix
All garbage in cRPGs and only serve to bring the overall game quality down because budget will be spent there instead of much better areas such as more content, classes, spells, feats, abilities, maps, enemies etc.
BG3 is the fucking bimbo of cRPGs, it doesn't even surpass its 20 year old predecessor in most places like magic, story, companions, banter, music.
At least WOTR improved on SOME areas when compared to older cRPGs even if it still loses to BG2 in a few aspects, while trying to push the genre forward.
Build Autism & modding potential is also part of what makes these games live long lives, BG3 might have sold 100000x more but will be mostly dead next year, while you still have autismos playing NWN1 and Pathfinder for different reasons.
>One look at the Character Creation screen alone should already tell you which is the vastly superior cRPG
0.000001% of your time in the game will be spent in the character shit, and your character dipped into 4 different classes will express this build by just doing lots of damage when they autoattack, so not sure how this is impressive.
>KoTC shill codexchud having a yet another meltdown
Why don't you infest some BG3 thread? Maybe someone will be gullible enough to play your game.
Question, does Blind fight work with Ranged weapon?
Read the darn description. The anwser is literally in the first 2 words.
You're supposed to use a lust provoking image
Blind Fight is for melee, though it will protect you from getting immediately pasted by concealed enemies. For ranged you need Improved Precise Shot.
Thanks. is there no way to get something like Greater blind fight for ranged guys that allows them to turn total concelment and half concelment into 20% Concelment?
When you sort by ranged Blind fight is alos in the feat selection so i had to ask
No but there's always True Sight or a wand of Echolocation
thnx
This funniest thing about this kotc codexchud shill is that he's a zoomer veddit refugee, not a real codexer.
>t. posted on the 'dex in times when multiheaded dicks were hitting ass and leg and Bryce demanded plane tickets from a bitch
Codex got filtered by kotc, it's mostly underage eastern european/russian schizos that have undermined and ruined the site, much like Ganker.
You do realize dex praised both series to high heavens right? Doesn't matter if he's a zoomer chud or a 12 year old.
By the time kotc2 released, the 'dex was long dead, kid.
>froggy is a boomer codexer
How deep does the lore get?
>start kingmaker
>reach the first dungeon
>giant spiders and lizards drain my stats
>spider swarms have like 19 AC on challenging when my to hit bonus with a torch is +3
>nobody can hit them with alchemist fire
epic
Oh man, she's got some fresh meat here