Is it safe to say that this was a mistake?

The constant power scaling and arguments by bringing every single Champion and having them compete?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The constant power scaling and arguments
    Cynthiafags are the only ones doing this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yep
      >only real power scaling is telling you leon is #1 and that ash and Iris are the newbies
      >everything else depends on match ups

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. Nothing but constant arguments about Leon, Iris and Ash. They can’t mentally handle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP
      I can’t believe it took 10 years for Cynthiafags to reveal themselves as absolutely unhinged

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        New here? They've always been crazy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I can tell you're an irisfag who still hasnt coped

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kek you're in another thread claiming everybody is an Irisfag. You're still having your mental breakdown that Shitrona lost in both matches.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Reminder

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Is there a full version of that? If so, could you link it

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99783596

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Taking the boogeyman out of the spot
      >JN105 stated that Wallace is on par with Steven. Ash steamrolls him off-screen.
      >Ash vs Steven. Former plays like shit before the Z-move
      Powerscaling was fucked from the get-go.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally came to this thread to say this. They do not shut up and always jump from rationalization to rationalization that would give her more credit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cope monkey. You went from saying it's one Irisfag now it's two of us? It's probably YOU talking to yourself and pretending you're other people. Take a break from the internet. Shitrona lost

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lancefags get ignored even about this
      Lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying
      Lancekeks had a total meltdown because they got "beaten by the worst and weakest Champion".
      Stevenfags were malding to no end about how the tendrils of the Z-Move could be redirected out of nowhere when absolutely nothing beforehand even slightly hinted at that being possible.
      Irispedos are still in copium overdose about how she totally almost beat Cynthia rather than getting destroyed.
      Diantha got stomped by Leon so badly that it made the people who shat on her for almost a decade
      Fujos and yumes on Twitter who live and breathe Leon are disgusted by his portrayal in the anime and would rather pretend anime Leon is a different character.
      Ashfags are pissed because fanfic team that's only been shown training on-screen and interacting with one another less than five times is the one accomplishing the dream of fighting and defeating Champions rather than reserves.
      Alan jobbing to Leon made Alanfags mad because of how he jobbed and Ashfags mad because there was no Kalos runback with the frog.

      There's literally not a single person who came out happy because of this piece of shit badly written badly animated badly built-up badly paced tournament.

      A once in a lifetime event that's finally happening after over two decades and it's a disappointment in nearly every aspect.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Diantha got stomped by Leon so badly that it made the people who shat on her for almost a decade
        Fuck, I didn't finish here.
        Diantha got stomped by Leon so badly that it made the people who shat on her for almost a decade start to sympathize with her and think she didn't deserve such a horrendous treatment, specially after coming from her defeating Lance and somewhat "fixing her reputation".
        Dianthafags, all five of them, finally got a win, just to get an even bigger L right afterwards.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As a Diantha supporter I'm okay with it. She got a win while I expected nothing. I'm happy for her but the next fight was a no hoper. I braced for impact.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Only Cynthiafags are doing this.

        Explains this entire post. Don’t try to “whatboutism” and wrap everybody else in your gayry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Only Cynthiafags are doing this!
          >Proceeds to prove you wrong by showing how all other Championfags were doing it and are still doing it in some cases
          >W-WELL DOESN'T COUNT!!!
          I accept your concession.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > Irispedos are still in copium overdose about how she totally almost beat Cynthia rather than getting destroyed.

            Destroyed is her sweeping her entire team with Milotic. Destroyed is mega Garchomp finishing the match as soon as that Keystone came out. You’re a Cynthiafag. I accept your confession.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Cope, seethe and mald forever, Irispedo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not an Irisfag and it’s common knowledge that “narrow lost” isn’t the correct wording. The narrator instead said that she put on a tough fight. That’s good enough.

                You’re the Cynthiafag pushing a narrative and ignoring what happened in the episode. Iris did lose after Cynthia pulled out a Keystone which isn’t getting destroyed. Great job proving you’re even more of a Cynthiafag keeping that screenshot

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I barely saw any of that besides retards not understanding why Ash didn't get to refight Alain for no reason.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Because it didn’t happen. That gay is trying to deflect that it’s Cynthiafags doing all of this. Literally no other person is powerscaling but them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >I didn't see it so it didn't happen! LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
              Okay, fine, let's pretend you're right and that you barely saw any of those. But you are you're seriously trying to tell me that you've "barely seen" any complaining about the reserves not being used? No complaining about how OP the PM team is just because?
              Okay dude. Whatever you say. Keep living in your imaginary world where everyone loves the PWC except the Cynthiafag boogeyman.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cynthiafag calm down and take your medication. She pulled out a Keystone against a base Haxorus, lost two of her Pokémon to Lucario and is canonically weaker than Leon. All of these are facts. Cope. She more closer to Iris level than Leon kek

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >But you are you're seriously trying to tell me that you've "barely seen" any complaining about the reserves not being used? No complaining about how OP the PM team is just because?

                No I never said that I see that everywhere. But that has nothing to do with power scaling butthurt in OP. And anyway the "muh reserves" shit is retarded Ash's Pokemon strength has always been totally fucking nonsensical his Tauros and Kingler win all the time despite not training for shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ash team of newly caught Pokemon being Champion level just because has nothing to do with power scaling
                bro what?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You heard them Cynthiafag. The OP was discussing power scaling between the CHAMPIONS. Not you throwing random shit as a deflect.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ash IS a Champion, retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And nobody gives a shit about what team he’s using here, you fucking dumbass. It’s discussing all of the other Champions. Stop being an obtuse gay to deflect that you wrote all of that shit as a deflect of Cynthiafags being pissed and power scaling. She pulled out a Keystone on a base Pokemon, lost two Pokémon to Lucario and is canonically weaker than Leon. Get fucked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Iris was hard countered by Acid Armor
                Iris's Dragonite is the biggest jobber in all of JN
                Garchomp matched up with Haxorus using Outrage without using any moves itself

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >And nobody gives a shit about what team he’s using here, you fucking dumbass.
                That's a straight up lie and you know it.
                >It’s discussing all of the other Champions.
                And Ash IS a Champion and him defeating other Champions with that team of newly caught Pokemon affects the other Champions and the power scaling in general.

                >Stop being an obtuse gay to deflect that you wrote all of that shit as a deflect of Cynthiafags being pissed and power scaling.
                See

                >Only Cynthiafags are doing this!
                >Proceeds to prove you wrong by showing how all other Championfags were doing it and are still doing it in some cases
                >W-WELL DOESN'T COUNT!!!
                I accept your concession.

                >She pulled out a Keystone on a base Pokemon, lost two Pokémon to Lucario and is canonically weaker than Leon. Get fucked
                You sound unhinged, anon. You should take a break from these discussions if you cannot remain calm. You may burst a vein or worse.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re calling a fanbase pedophiles and calling people bros. You sound unhinged. Most people have already accepted the bullshit of what Ash has been doing. Keep deflecting from the topic at hand by using Ash as a scapegoat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP
      The final humbling of Sinnohzooms has been 24 karat comedy gold.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They’ll still be coping long after that Craprona was horrible this whole tournament. Remember they said she didn’t need a gimmick unlike Leon? Remember when they thought she would be the dream crusher?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Remember they said she didn’t need a gimmick unlike Leon?
          Leon is the only who relies on dynamax spam 24/7
          Cynthia has canonically never even used ANY gimmick until the Iris battle. And yet in a very short time - she already mastered TWO of them.

          Thats real talent.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Cynthia has canonically never even used ANY gimmick until the Iris battle.
            is that true?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That extremely impressive. So she is very strong without gimmicks, and then she still has 2 gimmicks on top of that...

                Give her Kommo-o a Z-move and she is perfect

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yea it’s talent for failing to land a single Dragon Claw on a person who just became Champion and it’s talent that your Dynamax Togekiss did so little shit that Lucario was able to take it and then her ace.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nah, cry more irispedo

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not at all. Who cares what a few Hispanics say online. It's not like it really matters that much anyway except for certain very autistic people.

    What WAS a mistake was the fights being boring, zero stakes terribly animated shite, there wasn't even an attempt to make the fights for the strongest people in the world more visually exciting than in random shitty fodder episodes. I got baited into watching this after having not seen the anime since forever because you'd expect them to actually give a damn over this, but nope. Guess I was the idiot for expecting anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What WAS a mistake was the fights being boring, zero stakes terribly animated shite, there wasn't even an attempt to make the fights for the strongest people in the world more visually exciting than in random shitty fodder episodes. I got baited into watching this after having not seen the anime since forever because you'd expect them to actually give a damn over this, but nope. Guess I was the idiot for expecting anything.

      agreed. That and no old Pokemon of Ash's being used.

      Why not just do a "world's top trainer" where no champions are allowed to participate? And winner gets to fight Leon?

      That way you can celebrate the 25th anniversary by bringing back Alain, Paul, Ritchie, Harrison, Tyson, AJ, Katie, Sakura, etc etc without wasting the champions on dogshit animation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ash battling Leon doesn't mean much if Leon has no battles prior to their battle

        This tournament is not about old characters. It's about Ash battling Leon. The entire reason they came up with the PWC is because there was no way to have Ash do the Galar League with the region hopping.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The entire reason they came up with the PWC is because there was no way to have Ash do the Galar League with the region hopping.

          they could say it was the PWC was a farming preliminary system, and that the final event takes place in Galar, the host region.

          Kind of like how Scott scouts for potential trainers to do the Battle Frontier, this farms for strong trainers to compete in the "ultimate" tournament.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            By the time they got to the Masters Tournament, how it works was already set in stone. It was too late to retcon the rules.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What WAS a mistake was the fights being boring, zero stakes terribly animated shite, there wasn't even an attempt to make the fights for the strongest people in the world more visually exciting than in random shitty fodder episodes. I got baited into watching this after having not seen the anime since forever because you'd expect them to actually give a damn over this, but nope. Guess I was the idiot for expecting anything.
      THIS
      H
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      I´M MAD BECAUSE IT'S SO SHIT IS PHYSICALLY PAINFULL TO SEE
      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This
      What a fucking boring, shitty, and disappointing anniversary style event

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > Powerscaling Pokémon anime
    The absolute bottom of society

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like 90% of anime the idea was good, but the execution was shit

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. If you want to actually showcase Leon's strength and Ash's growth, you need to show them beating Champion-tier opponents.

    Saying "X is the strongest in the world" doesn't work if we don't actually see them beat any credible opponents. No one's going to buy it if we're only told rather than shown.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Leon defeated Diantha and Lance and Ash defeated Iris, Steven and Cynthia.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely

    >Leonwank
    >Jobber Champion Iris
    >Alain having no reason being there
    >Rillaboom Clipshow
    >No reserves
    >Alola Champion not using any Alolan Mons
    >1 year old Shilldog
    >3v3s Instead of 6v6s from the Start
    >Static cameos.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Alola Champion not using any Alolan Mons
      Explain why he should.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why shouldn't he? Besides from Z move theirs nothing else about Ash that represents Alola.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because he's not known as "Ash, Champion of Alola", he's known as "Ash from Pallet Town".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah this is a perfect summary tbh

      Leon's overconfident "you can use three gimmicks" thing is the shitstain on top. Complete bullshit and kind of unsporting. They should act like these are real competitive battles, not wank over Leon

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the fact that full power Cynthia will remain undefeated for a future rematch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So she basically threw in the match by not using her strongest power? That’s the new cope?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Duh, she should have mega'd a borderline dead garchomp instead of dynamax a perfectly healthy togekiss.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You’re right! Look how weak she looks and tired!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dies in two hits
            Yeah, dead.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Now thats headcanon

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Oh wow it’s barely struggling getting a move in! Look how it just jumped like that! Totally weak.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Look how it just jumped like that! Totally weak.
                >pokemon executes the move in the way it should
                And still died it two hits, yes.
                Keep coping cynthiatard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No it didn’t you dumbass. You claimed that it shouldn’t have mega’d because it was weak and this says otherwise. Your cope is stupid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Now thats headcanon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Full power means using dyna + mega

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I like the fact that full power Cynthia will remain undefeated for a future rematch
      They can make it pure kino if they have her use a Z-move Kommo-o

      Then its 3(4) gimmicks Ash vs 3 gimmicks Cynthia
      Battle of Gods.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >full power Cynthia will remain undefeated for a future rematch
      So she is the strongest? (aside from Ash)
      Since leon is already showing all he has and still going down

      Makes sense.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >jotho is the only region too shit to have a rep
    jothosis...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lance is the champion of both. Initially I think they left Kanto champion a mystery or were planning to have Gary, but decided to do otherwise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lance is the Champion of Kanto. The Indigo Leauge is specifically in Kanto. You can just qualify with Jhoto badges.

        Jhoto is a backwater that dosen't have it's own champion.

        Although I guess you could argue Lance is from Jhoto [Specifically Blackthorn City], so Kanto is the one without a rep.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the anime confirmed Lance is the champion of Kanto AND Johto.

          earlier in Journeys, they said he was "elite 4". In the OS, he was mentioned to be "winner of the Elite Four cup".

          I think they were initially going to have separate Kanto and Johto champions, because the leagues are separate in the anime. Someone said they were planning on Gary being the champion or someone else, but it got scrapped.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So they made Iris Champion and not Gary?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yeah. Weird decision, idk why Gary can't be a researcher AND trainer like Professor Oak was implied to be in the past.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lucrative. Iris is more known than Gary, Dragon Master doesn’t conflict with being a Champion or take time away from that. It’s also a regression of character because he purposely stopped collecting badges. If they had to pick, it made sense

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Iris is more known than Gary
                Lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re 25+. This series isn’t about you. She’s a companion, was shown more recently and has a bigger role in BW2 than Gary does in LPLE

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re 25+. This series isn’t about you. She’s a companion, was shown more recently and has a bigger role in BW2 than Gary does in LPLE

                This is the biggest touch grass moment I've seen on this board in a long time. You're fucking delusional

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re almost if not already in your 30’s. Unfortunately most kids these ages didn’t play RYE-FRLG.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They sure as fuck don't play BW

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Says who? Gary could have been Champion but like it or not, between their statuses in the show, the most recent series and the most recent games, it mad sense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Says who
                Gen 5 was over a decade ago. For any kid it is as much old shit as anything before it. If you take an actual living kid right now they started gen 7 or later

                >Gary could have been Champion but like it or not, between their statuses in the show, the most recent series and the most recent games, it mad sense
                Not what I'm fucking arguing. Entirely irrelevant.

                We're on the claim you made that Iris is more popular/well known than Gary - which is fucking nonsense.
                Look, I'm not an autistic genwunner retard, My favourite gens even are 3 and 5. But you're out of your fucking mind to think Gary is less well known.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're still 2x of the demographics hence the bias. You can't speak for kids or what kids know about because you aren't one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No one on this board is a fucking kid, I don't know where you think you're coming from trying to take a highground here, unless you're admitting to being underaged.
                Just do some fucking math.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Saying your age is not a high ground. Are you not 2x the age of the demographics you fuck dud? Embarrassed about something? The point of the matter is, you're nowhere near a child's age so saying it's an undisputed fact that Gary is more known is stupid.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gary quit competitive battling. Iris didn't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Gary quit competitive battling

                his VA said he still trains to keep up with Ash even though he's a researcher. He went toe to toe with a Moltres. He defeated Ash after Battle Frontier.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wasn't he only a trainer and then when he retired became a researcher?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris humiliation was fun
    irisfags are even still seething rn in /padt/

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s perfectly fine if you use simple logic.

    Leon defeated Alain, therefore Leon is stronger than Alain.
    Cynthia defeated Iris, therefore Cynthia is stronger than Iris.
    Diantha defeated Lance, therefore Diantha is stronger than Lance.
    Ash defeated Steven, therefore Ash is stronger than Steven.
    Leon defeated Diantha, therefore Leon is stronger than Diantha and Lance and Alain.
    Ash defeated Cynthia, therefore Ash is stronger than Cynthia and Iris and Steven.
    Now we will wait to see whether Ash defeats Leon, making Ash stronger than Leon, Diantha, Lance, Steven, Cynthia, Iris and Alain, or if Leon defeats Ash, making Leon stronger than Ash and the aforementioned others.

    Anything else is coping, seething and dilating by manchild powerlevel fags treating the series like Dragon Ball Z.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Garchomp wasnt any more damaged than Lucario.
    They had enough HP left to pummel each other for some time.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This was one of the few moments where power scales shouldn't exist and everything should depend on technique and skill.

    I don't know what the current competitive environment is like, but years ago the pokemon of each player were adjusted to level 50 regardless of whether they were higher or lower level, so they faced each other in similar conditions, this was before breeding and EVs became common knowledge.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >
      Could not agree more. I have had the "everyone should be adjusted to level 50" thing in my head this whole time. One person being OP for no explicable reason should just never happen. And it makes the whole thing dull because we want to see technique and skill.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the two anti-cynthiafags on this board are circlejerking again

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's obviously the end of Ash's story.

    Gen 9 anime will be a reboot. New protag. Ash has undeniably reached his goal at this point, and anything added in Paldea to over-write the events of the Gen 8 anime would be a retcon. Leon is *the best trainer in the world*. The Masters 8 are the best trainers in the world.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idiot. Remember that the gen 9 shit is based around a school. After this shot Ash is going to be offered a job - bam, there’s your premise

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ash
        >getting a job
        nah, if anything he's gonna study in paldea much like alola and job against the robot-like gal

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >revolves exclusively around three retarded nu-gen mechanical gimmicks that largely aren't even allowed in the games anymore and will age like rancid milk as quickly as next month
    >abysmal representation of every single established champion when the anime used to play them up as gods among men
    >meanwhile TPCi's newest charizard merchandise toy comes out of all this completely unscathed
    >Alain being here at all, let alone only tagging along to get tarred and feathered as a scapegoat
    >Dragonite
    It was a cute idea but it never belonged in the trAshnime, and its zombie animators ensured every step was taken to demonstrate why.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yep, was a mistake, no one needed them to have some official ranking. It only brought shitty "my favorite is better than yours" discussion to the table.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only reason anyone is upset about the rankings is that Cynthia isn't number one. That's it.

      If Cynthia was considered the strongest, no one would care. No, it's only a problem because she's #2

      And these rankings are for the anime universe only anyway. Yeah in the anime, Leon is in a tier above all other Champions, but headcanon can still be applied to the games

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cynthiafags number one cope as to why she was number two is that she didn’t utilize gimmicks and once the anime stopped that shitty headcanon they haven’t been the same since.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Source on that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah in the anime, Leon is in a tier above all other Champions, but headcanon can still be applied to the games

        You guys need to just let this go, Cynthia's team being stronger mechanically is true but the game tells you outright Raihan is champion tier of other regions and only stays in Galar because he wants to beat Leon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >game tells you outright
          Nah
          Rumorschizos cope.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>If Cynthia was considered the strongest, no one would care. No, it's only a problem because she's #2
        Being only behind Ash is fine, he is the MC with plot armor
        Cynthia with both gimmicks beats anyone else.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think its safe to say Cynthia might be more popular and beloved than all other champions combined.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Correct. The new cope is also "Cynthia is stronger than Leon because she has more gimmicks" despite Ash (who beat her) using all of his gimmicks to stand against Leon with his singular gimmick.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The mistake was no care being given to the animation quality in what is pretty much the single biggest event in the franchises history. All they needed to do in this final stretch was have good battles and they couldn't even get that right.

    Think I dropped after Iris/Cynthia. I haven't watched this show in like 20 plus years and came back for this event because of how monumental it was. I've seen webms of previous seasons, I know it can look much better than this.
    Lesson learned, I will never watch this drizzling shitshow ever again.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would prefer of they adapted Sword and Shield like the other games into anime and then did the master tournament. Tje whole thing with eternatus was too rushed and i would have liked to see more of the other gym leaders

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The power scaling is fine. You retards are 3 things: mad that your favorite champion lost against another, in denial that Leon is the strongest (besides Ash) despite the show both showing and telling you he is multiple times, and delusional in thinking that all Champions are relative in strength just because they have the title Champion.

    Now fuck off, cuck.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      leon is weaker than champions with more than 1 gimmick
      Cope & dial8

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The entire Pokémon anime was a mistake.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Yet another thread of Cynthia living rent free on the haters' head
    You love to see it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now she’s living on the couch with Diantha after losing Togekiss AND Garchomp to Lucario. Irrelevant and no longer living rent free, had to move out for Leon. The true star.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And yet even now people still prefer to talk about Cynthia than Leon's current fight. Sounds like she's still living rent free in everyone's head to me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >And yet even now people still prefer to talk about Cynthia than Leon's current fight
          Leon flopped hard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn’t matter. She’s not living rent free in the writers head. She’s been used up. She’s on the couch with Diantha while the real star, Leon, is on the battle field. Who can canonically crush Cynthia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What the fuck do the writers have to do with this? The post you originally replied to was talking about Cynthia haters, not the writers. Unless you're gonna try to argue that the writers are Cynthia haters in which case I recommend you to take your meds.
            I accept your concession since you shamelessly tried to move the goalpost like this.
            And honestly that they made all the other Champions fuck off but nonetheless made Cynthia and Diantha stay says something.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody cares about Cynthia. Her gay ass fan base is the discussion not the character. Are you Cynthia? I realize some of you want to be but this is about her fagfanbase. The point of the matter is, no matter how much you praise and worship that character, the writers are over it and doesn’t give a shit. Leon is here now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody cares about Cynthia
                >Her gay ass fan base
                >but this is about her fagfanbase.
                So which is it then?
                You're losing your grasp on reality, anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Is Justin Bieber his fanbase (beliebers) or is he Justin Bieber? Let me know if you want me to explain more anon if you aren’t getting this simple analogy. Take as much time as you need.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >randomly bringing up Justin Bieber
                Ah you're underaged I see

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you’re a 30 year old man, I see?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If no one cares about Cynthia then why does she have a fanbase you keep seething and malding about?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody cares about Cynthia.
                even you dont believe that, schizo.

                >Leon is here
                kek

                >And yet even now people still prefer to talk about Cynthia than Leon's current fight
                Leon flopped hard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think you need to find something better to occupy your time with other than being mad at a fanbase for some powerleveling shitposting, something all series with fights partake in.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cynthia is ALL I can are about and the only reason I got up to watch this show live four episodes in a row.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      very true. All Leonfags talk about is Cynthia. it's amazing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How much crying and screaming will you be doing it Leon wins with just a Dynamax band, something Cynthia couldn’t do?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >All Leonfags talk about is Cynthia.
        they really love her

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris was hard countered by Acid Armor
    Iris's Dragonite is the biggest jobber in all of JN
    Garchomp matched up with Haxorus using Outrage without using any moves itself

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Irisfags are the worst

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >unpopular
    >cant master more than 1 gimmick
    >thus weaker than Cynthia and Ash
    leonsisters..

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget now that his VA is a serial cheater.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yikes
        What a shitshow

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its a fact that leon will lose to Ash and that he can only beat champions that have 1 gimmick

    Cynthia and any future champion with > 1 gimmick are all canonically stronger than him

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and any future champion with > 1 gimmick are all canonically stronger than him
      Geetachads we won

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget that Leon can only use Dynamax inside Galar.
      He's objectively weaker if he's fighting outside Galar. What for other Champions is normal battling for him is being handicapped since he gets carried by Dynamax.

      >and any future champion with > 1 gimmick are all canonically stronger than him
      Geetachads we won

      Geeta is on the same situation as Leon since you can only use Terastal inside Paldea.

      Leon and Geeta are unironically the weakest Champions because they cannot fight without their Gimmick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't forget that Leon can only use Dynamax inside Galar.
        >He's objectively weaker if he's fighting outside Galar.
        leonfags NEVER mention this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          N-No see he beat Flint without Dynamaxing so that means he's strongest! J-Just pretend that him defeating an Elite Four is a super duper ultra mega hyper amazing feat of power! It's not like Champions by very definition have to be stronger than an Elite Four!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          bro Leon defeated Alain with his base Charizard against MCX and Cynthia took 5+ to hammer down Haxorus after mega evolving. Cynthiafag cope is getting dangerous

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Alain
            Alain is E4 tier. See

            N-No see he beat Flint without Dynamaxing so that means he's strongest! J-Just pretend that him defeating an Elite Four is a super duper ultra mega hyper amazing feat of power! It's not like Champions by very definition have to be stronger than an Elite Four!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Cynthia decides to use her full strength against Iris as a show of respect for her growth
            >Leon wastes his Dynamax like a cocky braggart because he doesn't respect his opponents and just wants to showboat
            Says a lot about their personalities.
            And Alain is not a Champion. Why are you so proud of Leon defeating him? Do you become proud when you take your overleveled started to defeat bug catchers on the first route?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Cynthia decides to use her full strength against Iris as a show of respect for her growth
              Don't know what's going on here but this is a cope. Cynthia never said such words and neither did the recap episodes. She seemed pretty determined to make Chomp's Dragon Claw to hit but couldn't do it.

              >And Alain is not a Champion. Why are you so proud of Leon defeating him? Do you become proud when you take your overleveled started to defeat bug catchers on the first route?

              He's above Iris and clearly is Champion level unless you're saying she'd easily beat him?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >He's above Iris and clearly is Champion level
                nah

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Geeta is on the same situation as Leon since you can only use Terastal inside Paldea.
        Thats true, but if they want to make her real strong and try to make a Cynthia 2.0 - they might give her an extra gimmick like Cynthia has

        But who knows. We dont even know if there will be an SV anime

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Her ace is the ice/dragon pseudo. She's doomed already.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the way this guy keeps shamelessly jumping between Iris and Leon
    KEK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think all of these posts are confusing you because one of those posters is insulting Cynthia for even allowing herself to match Iris. That’s not the same as defending her. Anon it’s clear you’re the only Cynthiafag in here.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I think all of these posts are confusing you because one of those posters is insulting Cynthia for even allowing herself to match Iris.
        Matching?

        Iris was hard countered by Acid Armor
        Iris's Dragonite is the biggest jobber in all of JN
        Garchomp matched up with Haxorus using Outrage without using any moves itself

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. Those Dragon Claws should have cut through Psycho Cut but couldn't for some odd reason. Embarrassing.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Leon was groomed by the chairman of the Pokémon League and became the Galar Champion, undefeated, at the age of 10. Since then he’s been honing his craft, battling and bonding with the Pokémon in his team, and notably went on a 100 person win streak all across the world. After defeating Lance, bass Eternatus, Raihan, and Flint, only ever losing more than one Pokémon against Diantha in the current M8, it was undeniable that he is the strongest trainer in the Pokémon world as of right now.

    Cynthia started out young just like Leon, but notably didn’t become Champion until her teens. Some of her strongest Pokémon like Milotic and Garchomp have been with her since she was a child. She has owned her role as Champion, defeating the Frontier Brain Palmer, 3/4 of the Sinnoh Elite Four, and mentoring the current Unova E4 member Caitlin. Her strength is comparably to Leon, but she notably lost 2 Pokemon in her battle against Flint who is just an E4 while Diantha is a Champion.

    Steven is the heir to Devon, so he likely has access to all types of training methods and strong Pokémon. Back in AG he was a trainer of myth, people knew he was incredibly strong but never saw him because he was always looking for stones. He managed to defeat the previous Hoenn Champion; Wallace, fight on equal terms with Primal Kyogre, took down the entire Team Flare HQ, and his Mega Metagross shrugged off a Blast Burn from Alain’s Mega Charizard X’s Blast Burn. His Mega Metagross has only ever fallen to Ash’s Pikachu’s unbeatable Z-Move, that even took down Tapu Koko’z own Z-Move.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lance never had a huge show of power to his name. His most notable feat is managing to equal out a Hyper Beam from base Kyogre, but wasn’t able to do more than that even with both of his ace Pokémon fighting it. By the time of JN, he was still an E4 member but managed to win the PWT in Driftveil City. He lost to Leon despite the type advantage, but later managed to become the Champion of both Kanto and Johto. Only thing is neither Kanto nor Johto had a Champion anyways, and back in AG even Ash and Pikachu were fighting toe to toe with Agatha and her Gengar.

      Diantha is an odd case, because like Leon and Cynthia she’s had her ace since she was a kid, and managed to enter the Kalos Summer Camp Hall of Fame. Despite her film career, she still regularly defeated strong trainers from competitions that challenged her, and she notably defeated Wikstrom’s Mega Scizor with Mega Gardevoir’s Moonblast even with the huge ineffectiveness. However her biggest battle was against an incomplete Ash-Greninja, and was beaten so badly that Mega Gardevoir only had the strength to do one last attack to blast away Team Rocket before KOing from exhaustion. Her Mega Gardevoir is plenty strong, and has gotten stronger since it’s last appearance, but it says a lot when Alain’s Mega Charizard X defeated a completed Ash-Greninja.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Iris is a prodigy, with a 99 trainer win streak on her shoulders from when she was a little kid, while also having the benefit of having Dragon Master powers. At any time she can connect her heart to her Dragon Pokémon and bring out a short powerup to seize victory. Iris’ Excadrill managed to tie with Drayden’s Haxorus, and notably Drayden is a Dragon Master himself. Iris’ Axew also overpowered Cynthia’s Garchomp for a split second back when they first battled. Iris went on to travel across the world training with and battling against other Dragon trainers, and managed to become the Unova Champion. By doing so, she was able to defeat Caitlin’s Gothitelle that could hold its own against Cynthia’s Garchomp, and Alder’s Bouffalant. Unova doesn’t however have the best track record with truly strong trainers besides the two that were just named, so despite being the Champion, she still lost to Ash’s new JN team.

        Alain is a fish out of a water, and being one shotted by Leon’s troupe was the most realistic and obvious of outcomes.

        And finally Ash, the trainer that people seem to not understand the most. Why is his JN team so strong? Because he spends all of his team training them in the Sakuragi Park with each other and Goh’s Pokémon. He trains them from when he wakes up to when the sun goes down, and they even train amongst themselves sometimes. Besides Pikachu who for the first time in forever hasnt dealt with some sort of reset, all of Ash’s JN Pokémon have taken the advantage of not constantly traveling a region and just being in one place, to develop themselves and each other. They are so strong simply because they finally have the opportunity to get that strong. And Ash isn’t the only Champion who does this, as we saw with Leon as well. Now with a team that can rival Champions, and arsenal of mastered gimmicks, Ash is at his absolute best and that is the reason why he can equal Leon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >so despite being the Champion, she still lost to Ash’s new JN team.

          So did Steven and Cynthia? Do you think if they would have fought him first (especially Steven) the same thing wouldn't have happened.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > So did Steven and Cynthia?
            They lost to Ash in the Masters 8, not in the Super Class which was way before. Dumbass.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >They lost to Ash in the Masters 8, not in the Super Class which was way before.
              this

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You didn't answer my question. If Cynthia and Steven just entered in the PWC and fought Ash would the result not be the same?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No you dumbass, because at that point Gengar didn’t have Will-O-Wisp, and Lucario didn’t have Bullet Punch or it’s Mega Evolution. Ash beat Steven because of his Z-Move, and at the point when he battled Iris, his Z-Move was still sitting at home. He would’ve lost because he didn’t have any of the experience he gained through the Ultra Class.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The fact you think that Ash's move sets at the time determined him winning or what he did is cute. Keep pushing your agenda liiittllle babieee, aw you're so adorable with your agenda and all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument

                Thanks for the concession, autist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're such an adorable baby. Don't forget to get your milk and medication before bed, you agenda pushing baby, you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Goo goo ga ga Mr. Agenda baby.

                https://www.clinical-partners.co.uk/for-adults/autism-and-aspergers/adult-autism-test

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you got me I laughed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How was Lucario going to defeat Togekiss without Bullet Punch? Steel Beam, the attack that drains it if it’s stamina? What about against Dynamax? And even if he did bullshit his way with Steel Beam, what was he gonna do against Garchomp? Sirfetch’d didn’t have Meteor Assault at that time either, so how was he gonna get it’s health as low as he did?

                Ash beat Steven’s Aggron with Will o Wisp, what was he gonna do without it? Have Pikachu attempt to carry the team? The only reason he was aware of the Metagross battle style was because of Paul, so how would he have known to tell Dracovish to stop it in its tracks?

                I swear you guys are dumbasses through and through, the jokes write themselves.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Goo goo ga ga Mr. Agenda baby.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Le off-screen training
          lol
          lmao
          And reminder that bros like this are also the same ones who argue that "reserves coming back would make no sense because they're too weak".
          But it's okay when the PM team becomes Champion level off-screen.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cope

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I accept your concession.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Concession to what? You didn’t argue against anything. You just said Lmao and projected, lmao. You can’t concede to a point if a point wasn’t made. Keep coping or come up with some counter arguments, lmao.

                But I’ll humor your pathetic excuse of a “counter argument” lol
                >le off screen training
                He’s trained both on screen and off screen in every series. JN included. It’s canon he’s trained in JN more often than other series. Cope lmao.

                >the same ones who argue that "reserves coming back would make no sense because they're too weak".
                Crazy you’d even assume that since, if you actually watched JN, we got an episode where it was revealed that Infernape trains with the other Fire-type Pokémon so it’s obvious his other Pokémon do to, In the last Alola episode Ash trained his Alola team with his JN team before the Battle Royal, and we saw Greninja defeat Lucario, showing how strong it had gotten just off of cutting vines all day. Some of his reserves are in the same realm of strength as his JN team by now, he just specifically chose not to use them. Have sex.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Defeating Eternatus
      Stopped reading here.
      Leon LOST against Eternatus.
      Lance was 1 vs 1.
      We don't know how many other Pokemon were used vs Raihan and vs Flint.
      And reminder that Leon needed to Dynamax to defeat Raihan.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Eternatus
        bro why you lyin lol

        Both of you are retards. Leon beat BASE Eternatus. Eternamax Eternatus is the one that defeated him. Watch the show you retards, you’re exactly the provlem.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Leon beat BASE Eternatus.
          nah. If that were true, then eternatus would be KOd and defeated/captured right away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If that were true, then eternatus would be KOd and defeated/captured right away
            Uh no? After Leon took it down, it broke out of the Pokeball and transformed. What happened when you defeated it in the games? It immediately transformed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >it broke out
              So it wasnt down at all..

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What happened when you defeated it in the games? It immediately transformed.

                Can you read?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Games are not relevant to anime, retard
                broke out of the ball = nowhere near defeated

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Games are not relevant to anime, retard
                The anime literally adapted that entire final battle sequence, retard. Keep coping kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Leon LOST against Eternatus
        No, he lost against the bigger form.
        >Lance was 1 vs 1
        And? Lance had the type advantage
        > We don't know how many other Pokemon were used vs Raihan and vs Flint.
        Yes we do, they were 1v1. Did you not watch the episode or at least look at the scoreboard?
        >And reminder that Leon needed to Dynamax to defeat Raihan.
        Headcanon. Leon beat Raihan so many times that Raihan had a bitch fit about it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Eternatus
      bro why you lyin lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lance never had a huge show of power to his name. His most notable feat is managing to equal out a Hyper Beam from base Kyogre, but wasn’t able to do more than that even with both of his ace Pokémon fighting it. By the time of JN, he was still an E4 member but managed to win the PWT in Driftveil City. He lost to Leon despite the type advantage, but later managed to become the Champion of both Kanto and Johto. Only thing is neither Kanto nor Johto had a Champion anyways, and back in AG even Ash and Pikachu were fighting toe to toe with Agatha and her Gengar.

      Diantha is an odd case, because like Leon and Cynthia she’s had her ace since she was a kid, and managed to enter the Kalos Summer Camp Hall of Fame. Despite her film career, she still regularly defeated strong trainers from competitions that challenged her, and she notably defeated Wikstrom’s Mega Scizor with Mega Gardevoir’s Moonblast even with the huge ineffectiveness. However her biggest battle was against an incomplete Ash-Greninja, and was beaten so badly that Mega Gardevoir only had the strength to do one last attack to blast away Team Rocket before KOing from exhaustion. Her Mega Gardevoir is plenty strong, and has gotten stronger since it’s last appearance, but it says a lot when Alain’s Mega Charizard X defeated a completed Ash-Greninja.

      Iris is a prodigy, with a 99 trainer win streak on her shoulders from when she was a little kid, while also having the benefit of having Dragon Master powers. At any time she can connect her heart to her Dragon Pokémon and bring out a short powerup to seize victory. Iris’ Excadrill managed to tie with Drayden’s Haxorus, and notably Drayden is a Dragon Master himself. Iris’ Axew also overpowered Cynthia’s Garchomp for a split second back when they first battled. Iris went on to travel across the world training with and battling against other Dragon trainers, and managed to become the Unova Champion. By doing so, she was able to defeat Caitlin’s Gothitelle that could hold its own against Cynthia’s Garchomp, and Alder’s Bouffalant. Unova doesn’t however have the best track record with truly strong trainers besides the two that were just named, so despite being the Champion, she still lost to Ash’s new JN team.

      Alain is a fish out of a water, and being one shotted by Leon’s troupe was the most realistic and obvious of outcomes.

      And finally Ash, the trainer that people seem to not understand the most. Why is his JN team so strong? Because he spends all of his team training them in the Sakuragi Park with each other and Goh’s Pokémon. He trains them from when he wakes up to when the sun goes down, and they even train amongst themselves sometimes. Besides Pikachu who for the first time in forever hasnt dealt with some sort of reset, all of Ash’s JN Pokémon have taken the advantage of not constantly traveling a region and just being in one place, to develop themselves and each other. They are so strong simply because they finally have the opportunity to get that strong. And Ash isn’t the only Champion who does this, as we saw with Leon as well. Now with a team that can rival Champions, and arsenal of mastered gimmicks, Ash is at his absolute best and that is the reason why he can equal Leon.

      Thanks for summing up all their feats. Paints a better picture about who’s stronger than who and why some are ranked over others.

      I’m also glad someone else agrees Alain shouldn’t even have been there lol

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris feets

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is clearly overlap between irisfags and leonfags

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They both have shit taste

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The overlap being that Cynthiafags schiz out around them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They both seethe 24/7 over Cynthia being stronger and more liked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So relaxed, so classy
          Cynthia a best

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I hope she has a fun time watching from the TV instead of a first person experience.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not going to take part in any retarded powerlevelgayry wank only underages do, just passing by to say that I like all pokémon champions.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it a mistake
    Hell no
    >Was how this tournament being handled bad?
    100% yes

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like there's a disconnect between what people watch Journeys for and what it's actually about.

    That or people just heard there was a tournament with all the Champions in it and jumped in not knowing that it was actually just the conclusion to an arc that's been going on for three years.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or maybe there's disconnect because everyone who hears something TOURNAMENT BETWEEN ALL THE CHAMPIONS enters expecting something good because something like that has to be good yes or yes this is a once in a lifetime thing they surely won't fuck it up and instead they get something that's just as bad as Unova League in terms of writing and pathetically embarrassing animation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was never billed as a Champion tournament. They aren't competing as Champions, they're all just competitors aiming for the same title of Monarch.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ash didn't use charizard, snorlax, infernape, heracross or sceptile

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only mistake was having a huge tournament with barely any in game characters participating. I wanted to see Marnie vs Gloria, Clair vs Lance, and a Rosa & Hilda vs Hugh & Cheren double team battle not Ash wank and that Goh fillerfest bullshit

    Or at least show all the Champions interacting and having character arcs beforehand

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Someone in this thread already broke down every characters feats in comparison to each other and schizos are STILL going at it in disagreement with each other. So yes, this was a bad idea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Half of that shit was mixed with some bias and opinions and things you could just go on the wiki for

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No it wasn’t? It was an objective list of all their feats. There wasn’t a single opinion and/or bias in any of those retardedly long paragraphs. The only ones he didn’t list was Alain’s.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You’re the one who made the list. New flash idiot, the way you word something and or the words you use sometimes and implies a stand point without directly saying so

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No I didn’t dumbass. I’m

            Someone in this thread already broke down every characters feats in comparison to each other and schizos are STILL going at it in disagreement with each other. So yes, this was a bad idea.

            News flash retard, get better reading comprehension. There wasn’t a single opinion thrown in.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So it's you? Got it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that anon lied and twisted info a lot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What did they lie about?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A lot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Like what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What did they lie about?

        Just finished reading the whole thing. The only thing they lied about was Iris beating Caitlin and Alder. We don’t know how she became Champion or who she beat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The anime has never backtracked on what they said about the league or contradicted themselves. The only way of becoming a Champion is entering a league and winning, fighting the Elite and then defeat the current Champion. Iris is the Champion, that how that happened. When has the anime said otherwise?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dude I don’t know, Im just saying that’s the only non fact I read after the other guys called him a liar. Chill out.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >power scaling
    Iris, Steven, and Cynthia were all in the same level of power
    Diantha was weaker and Lance was stronger.
    Ash and Leon were both at the top basically uncontested

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why was Diantha weaker?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Diantha was humiliated by Leon and put up a worse showing that even fellow Kalos native Alain did
        She beat Lance, objectively a stronger trainer, using type matchups and shifty tactics. The narrator even summarized her win as due to tactics and typing. Lance's Gyarados narrowly lost to Leon's Charizard in the previous PWT and Gyarados isn't even his real ace, that's the Dynamax Dragonite.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And Alain?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Alain was the only competitor to beat the opponent's gimmick yet still lose.
            In XY, he's held his own aginst Steven and he holds a type advantage against Steven and Iris. Chances are he's somewhere in their tier of power.
            Leon > Ash > Lance > Cynthia = Steven = Iris = Alain > Diantha on pure power
            Ash > Leon > Cynthia > Diantha > Alain > Iris > Lance > Steven on tactics

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              > In XY, he's held his own aginst Steven and he holds a type advantage against Steven and Iris.

              This is an example of someone just blatantly lying.

              Alain didn’t hold his own against Steven, in fact Steven had to humor him multiple times. Alain’s Mega Charizard X, despite the huge power boost, couldn’t even give Mega Metagross a hint of fatigue with Blast Burn. Regular Metagross’ Psychic was strong enough to just completely nullify Mega Charizard X’s Flamethrower. One Flash Cannon from Mega Metagross was enough to significantly bring down Zard X’s stamina. The gap between Steven and Alain was so wide it was actually pitiful.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > She beat Lance, objectively a stronger trainer, using type matchups and shifty tactics.
          So how does that equate to Lance being objectively stronger? His Gyarados went down faster to her Gourgeist than it did against Leon’s Charizard back when they first battled

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >His Gyarados went down faster to her Gourgeist than it did against Leon’s Charizard back when they first battled
            Gourgeist turned Gyarados into Ghost-type then used SE Ghost moves on it. Gourgeist was also protected by screens which let it tank moves better.
            Lance is stronger because his Dragonite ate a shit ton of super effective moves and basically outmuscled Diantha's type advantage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Being able to go unga bunga more than someone else doesn’t mean your stronger than that person. Diantha beating him with a combination of strategy, tactics, and type advantage means she’s the stronger trainer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Being able to go unga bunga more than someone else doesn’t mean your stronger than that person
                That's literally what it means

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No it doesn’t. A stronger trainer is someone who can use their pokemons abilities compared to their opponents. All Lance has is brute force. His final strategy was a game of chicken, and Diantha literally “Checkmate”’d him by simply telling her Pokémon to dodge

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The stronger trainer is whoever wins the fucking battle

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And guess who won?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, not disputing that, just saying all the fancy tactics in the world don't matter if you don't actually clutch the W

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The better trainer is whoever wins the fucking battle
                Not sure why retards are arguing that Lance wasn't outright stronger than Diantha, if he wasn't, why did she use cheese tactics like screens and Trick or Treat against him? Why not just unga with Mega Gardevoir from the start?
                Dynamax Dragonite beats Mega Gardevoir if it's at full health. It lost because it had to fight two mons and ate like 4 Blizzards and a Moonblast.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, her Mega Gardevoir could’ve swept his entire team. You’re delusional.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not sure why retards are arguing that Lance wasn't outright stronger than Diantha
                because he lost

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                screens are not cheese tactics
                they're just moves

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >screens are not cheese tactics
                the narrator outright calls it cheese and claims they're the only reason Diantha won

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No they don’t. Stop lying, Lancefag.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the narrator outright calls it cheese
                no, they didn't
                pure headcanon
                screens are a move
                using them is a tactic

                unless your position is that anything that isn't a direct-damage move is cheesing, which is fucking retarded

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Spotted the Lancefag

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > why did she use cheese tactics like screens and Trick or Treat against him?
                Because she’s the better trainer? Lance is a Dragon tsukai, so why the fuck does none of his Dragons have a move like Dragon Dance? Every single trainer used a “cheese tactic” except Lance. Because he’s retarded and only relies on brute. That’s why he lost against Leon in the finals despite a type advantage, took him 20 years to become Champion, and lost against someone lower ranked than him.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Because she’s the better trainer?
                Follow the thread

                The stronger trainer is whoever wins the fucking battle

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why did a Fairy specialist rely on shenanigans and trickery instead of tbhTOROYA BEAMU x6 like honorabaru Rance?????
                The world may never know

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Considering all of them can drag each others Pokémon down to the last Pokémon and nobody got a straight sweep, it’s possible saying they are all more or less on the same level.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, because that’s taking the context of how it got to that point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What context? Alain was out of his league, Lance should have thought more about a plan than brute force, Iris should have brought backup and Steven was already doomed.

                Most of these are just circumstantial rather than actual strength being the deciding factor. It’s almost like the tournament was structured around Leon and Ash. Arguing about who’s stronger when it was just circumstantial is stupid. Nobody in their right mind thinks Cynthia beats every single Champion every right and vice versa minus Leon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Nobody in their right mind thinks Cynthia beats every single Champion every right and vice versa minus Leon.
                I’m glad you threw in right mind to let Cynthiafags know they are delusional

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They are delusional. Before this tournament Cynthia has only beaten Elite Four Members and Paul. Nothing indicating she’s extremely stronger than any other Champion besides a ranking. And even then the lowest ranked Champion gave her a fight. They’re all around the same level just some with a slight curve at best. Even if all the first round winners are stronger it’s by a small margin and who says they’d win every single time?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Iris was outmatched against Cynthia, and only got as far as she did because her ace carried her side. Alain was somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be. Diantha’s ace swept Lance despite how tanky his Pokémon are. The Top 3 + Ash are the only ones who can reasonably assumed to be around the same level, which is exactly how it works in any other narrative. The bottom half of the Masters 8 however are as non equal as they could be. How any of them even managed to get to the Top 8 is a question in itself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > How any of them even managed to get to the Top 8 is a question in itself.
                It’s because the writers wanted all the Champions to be in the tournament, and Alain because he was Ash’s only rival to not have gotten a return yet. There are much stronger trainers deserving of the bottom 4 than those jobbers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Probably because it was pitched as some all stars champion gathering. Realistically we should’ve gotten trainers like Tobias, Brandon, Palmer, and Kukui. Those four trainers have a better track record than the other four, combined.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Iris was not outmatched by Cynthia but that wasn’t even the point of the conversation. There is nothing Cynthia has done before this or during the match that makes me think she’s extremely stronger than her or anybody. Any person who’s saying otherwise just can’t handle that Iris is a Champion or anywhere close to her despite the anime saying otherwise.

                The top three did no better than the bottom. Steven’s ace got absolutely no wins and Diantha and Lance was a flip of a coin. They’re most likely not far off from each other as well. This tournament has no opponent that extremely outclasses the other or at least the anime doesn’t say that. Anything else is pure headcanon outside of Leon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >There is nothing Cynthia has done before this or during the match that makes me think she’s extremely stronger than her or anybody
                Then you’re delusional. Glad we got that all figured out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Beating the Sinnoh Elite and Paul. Could Iris not do the same? You’re delusional. Show me Cynthia’s feat besides this ranking which is ambiguous that implies she’s stronger in every match against her?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Beating the Sinnoh Elite and Paul. Could Iris not do the same?
                No, she couldn’t. Flint took down 2 of Cynthia’s Pokémon, Iris struggled to take down even one without her ace. Paul’s Garchomp beat Ash’s Dragonite, the same Dragonite that beat Iris’ ace way before Ash and Paul even battled. Iris’ Dragonite got beaten down by every single member of the Therian trio back to back while Cynthia’s Garchomp took on T-Landorus just fine. Cynthia’s Garchomp equalized a Spaciel Rend from Palkia with her Draco Meteor. Iris was clearly out of her League.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No, she couldn’t. Flint took down 2 of Cynthia’s Pokémon, Iris struggled to take down even one without her ace.

                Flint got kicked out of the Masters 8 and Iris is there. That enough proves what you’re saying is stupid.

                >Paul’s Garchomp beat Ash’s Dragonite, the same Dragonite that beat Iris’ ace way before Ash and Paul even battled.

                Power scaling by
                >This Pokémon beats that means this Pokémon is stronger”

                is stupid. Does that mean that Metagross is weaker than Cynthia’s Roserade since Dracovish did a good amount of damage on it but Roserade almost defeated it?

                >Iris’ Dragonite got beaten down by every single member of the Therian trio back to back while Cynthia’s Garchomp took on T-Landorus just fine. Cynthia’s Garchomp equalized a Spaciel Rend from Palkia with her Draco Meteor. Iris was clearly out of her League.

                You’re comparing BW Iris with JN Iris and then failing to ignore that I was talking about DP Paul and you brought up JN Paul. Either way you’re moving the goal post and this is more about proving Iris is weak than Cynthia being better. I don’t care either way, they’re ALL on the same level not just Iris and Cynthia. Why are you making this about Iris?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Flint got kicked out of the Masters 8
                Flint lost to Leon, Iris didn’t. What the fuck are you saying?
                >is stupid
                No it’s just you being in denial, because again you’re delusional.
                >Does that mean that Metagross is weaker than Cynthia’s Roserade since Dracovish did a good amount of damage on it but Roserade almost defeated it?
                When was it ever shown that Dracovish almost lost to Roserade? All it did was Poison it, and that’s directly due to it powering through Poison Jab and biting Roserade’s arms. Even after that it ran through Roserade’s Leaf Storm, KO’d it, told Ash to fuck off so it could keep fighting, powered through Milotic’s Disarming Voice despite the type advantage, and land one final Fishious Rend on Milotic while canceling out its Iron Head. Don’t insert headcanon into a conversation about objectivity.

                >You’re comparing BW Iris with JN Iris
                Because we’re comparing feats are we not? If I we were to strictly talk about JN Iris, what feats does she have besides becoming Champion? She lost to Ash with her Champion team while he was using his newer team, and then lost to Cynthia. She hasn’t done anything of note besides beating Caitlin and Alder, who themselves have no feats. Stop being defensive because it seems like that’s all you’re good at judging from this conversation. If you’re not going to come up with actual counter arguments then fuck off.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Iris was not outmatched by Cynthia but that wasn’t even the point of the conversation.
                Was Excadrill not getting its ass handed to it by Gastrodon? Did it not solely win due to Horn Drill? Did Dragonite not immediately fall to Milotic? Was Haxorus not able to do any significant damage to Garchomp before or after it Mega Evolved?

                If the answer to each of those questions is Yes, then yes she was outmatched and does match the point of the conversation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Was Excadrill not getting its ass handed to it by Gastrodon?

                Not exactly.

                >Did it not solely win due to Horn Drill?

                After Cynthia’s many super effective Muddy Waters powered by Rain Dance failed to take him out.

                >Did Dragonite not immediately fall to Milotic?

                The multiple Thunder Punches allowed Haxorus knocking it out very quickly but yes.

                >Was Haxorus not able to do any significant damage to Garchomp before or after it Mega Evolved?

                Outrage made it possible that it went through Draco Meteor completely unharmed which is Garchomp’s strongest move. Most of the battle was Haxorus VS M Chomp. It’s only logical that Haxorus had a hard time against her mega evolved ace and he still held his ground. Sure you aren’t pushing something?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not exactly.

                Yeah anon’s right dude. You are definitely delusional. It didn’t land a single attack on Gastrodon before Horn Drill. Its Focus Blast was blown away by Muddy Water. It was struggling under the second Muddy Water. All of its attacks were being absorbed or repelled.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon didn’t say that. Anon said that Excadrill shouldn’t have even survived the first Muddy Water if Cynthia is that strong + Type advantage + stat boost.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Outrage made it possible that it went through Draco Meteor completely unharmed
                What actual damage did it do to Garchomp though? That entire battle between the two happened and Garchomp still was more damaged and exhausted from fighting Sirfetch’d than it was against Haxorus. When the battle ended it didn’t even have a scratch on it, and had no signs of fatigue.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sirfetch’d fought against base Garchomp and Haxorus fought M Chomp. Why are you making this about Iris when she was barely in the post? I’m not concerned with your headcanon. There is nothing Cynthia has shown to make me think the power level curve is that huge. It seems like you’re trying to convince yourself all of this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Sirfetch’d fought against base Garchomp and Haxorus fought M Chomp
                What? Haxorus fought both base and Mega Garchomp. What are you talking about? And why are you saying “why am I making it about Iris” when Iris is literally the only thing you took out of my post here

                Iris was outmatched against Cynthia, and only got as far as she did because her ace carried her side. Alain was somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be. Diantha’s ace swept Lance despite how tanky his Pokémon are. The Top 3 + Ash are the only ones who can reasonably assumed to be around the same level, which is exactly how it works in any other narrative. The bottom half of the Masters 8 however are as non equal as they could be. How any of them even managed to get to the Top 8 is a question in itself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The top three did no better than the bottom. Steven’s ace got absolutely no wins and Diantha and Lance was a flip of a coin. They’re most likely not far off from each other as well. This tournament has no opponent that extremely outclasses the other or at least the anime doesn’t say that. Anything else is pure headcanon outside of Leon.

                Because I said all of this and you made an autism rant about Weather Trio, Alder, Caitlin, Dragonite etc. Best to just drop the conversation here though. They’re all the same in my perspective and if you want to magnify glass that one point sure.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Because I said all of this and you made an autism rant about Weather Trio, Alder, Caitlin, Dragonite etc.
                Because you wanted to compare feats you autist. Do you not read your own posts? You specifically asked about feats and I broke them all down. It’s not my fault you chose to sperg out and forget about what we were even talking about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Show me the feats

                Isn’t asking to compare feats. You brought up everybody else.

                And I see how you ignored that I pointed out I discussed all of the other Masters 8 and you hyper focused on that bite.

                > The power scaling, obviously, because you’ve deluded yourself into thinking Iris is stronger than she is.

                And this explains why. This is more about calling her weak than arguing about anything else. I’m not an irisfag so I don’t give a shit how weak she is. You do. Don’t get outraged when people aren’t subscribing to your head canon and twisting facts. You randomly brought up Paul in this to say he’s Champion level or stronger when this was about Cynthia. Who gives gives a shit, they both lost. Until the anime confirms anyone is way stronger than another beyond deciding who Ash and Leon should fight, everything is head canon. If they wanted to make a point that they’re nowhere close in level they should have had Garchomp sweep her entire team and make it a short battle like Leon vs Alain or had Milotic do it. That way, like Leon it shows he’s above most of the other competitors. They didn’t. Everything else is headcanon. Which is why I stopped arguing that. Just had to point this out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Isn’t asking to compare feats. You brought up everybody else.
                You asked if Iris could beat the Sinnoh E4 and Paul, did you not? I showed you why she couldn’t, did I not? Did you miss all the parts of my post

                >Beating the Sinnoh Elite and Paul. Could Iris not do the same?
                No, she couldn’t. Flint took down 2 of Cynthia’s Pokémon, Iris struggled to take down even one without her ace. Paul’s Garchomp beat Ash’s Dragonite, the same Dragonite that beat Iris’ ace way before Ash and Paul even battled. Iris’ Dragonite got beaten down by every single member of the Therian trio back to back while Cynthia’s Garchomp took on T-Landorus just fine. Cynthia’s Garchomp equalized a Spaciel Rend from Palkia with her Draco Meteor. Iris was clearly out of her League.

                that talked about Cynthia’s feats, the ones you asked for?

                Okay then, fuck off, autist.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What are you anti Iris fags going to do when she keeps showing up in the series as a Champion? Appearance after appearance. Keep throwing hissy fits? Arguing about a match that happened 3+ months ago and counting? Cynthia pulled out a keystone win, the next episode said she put up a close fight (not that narrow margin shit) against Cynthia and Team Rocket, Ash, Goh, Alain and Leon thought she could win. Medication, now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >anti Irisfags

                Stopped reading there. I own a Iris body pillow. Just because I know how to correctly judge a character doesn’t mean I hate them. Iris’ return episode was one of the best episodes in this shitty show and got the best development of all the girls. She still isn’t anywhere close to Cynthia, Ash, Steven, or Leon. Get that through your thick ass skill, autist.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the same anon. You just shat on Iris the entire conversation and said everyone is stronger than her. You stopped right there because the characters and the recaps did say she almost won and you’re ignoring that. You got mad arguing with an anon that she was stronger despite them never saying that. Now go punch your Iris pillow more. Repeating something over and over doesn’t make it true.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You just shat on Iris the entire conversation and said everyone is stronger than her.
                No I didn’t. I listed her feats along with Cynthia’s because that’s what anon asked. Stop trying to spin some retarded narrative.
                >You stopped right there because the characters and the recaps did say she almost won
                Not a single character or recap said that. Not even the fucking magazines said that. What’s wrong with you guys? Why lie?
                >You got mad
                Uh, who’s mad? Where did that come from?
                >Repeating something over and over doesn’t make it true.
                Exactly, so I don’t know why you or the other anon keep saying that Iris almost won. Stop that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You stopped right there because the characters and the recaps did say she almost won and you’re ignoring that.
                Post screencap before thread archives

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Team Rocket, Ash, Goh, Alain and Leon thought she could win.
                Why are you lying?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This is more about calling her weak than arguing about anything else
                The only person that’s even implied that she’s weak is you because I sure didn’t.
                >I’m not an irisfag
                You’re certainly playing the part well
                >You do
                I don’t, just talking about power scaling which was the topic of this thread that you somehow missed.
                >Don’t get outraged when people aren’t subscribing to your head canon
                The irony.
                >You randomly brought up Paul
                You were the first one to bring up Paul

                Beating the Sinnoh Elite and Paul. Could Iris not do the same? You’re delusional. Show me Cynthia’s feat besides this ranking which is ambiguous that implies she’s stronger in every match against her?

                >Champion level
                There is no Champion level because Champions aren’t relative. Champion is just a title.
                >Who gives gives a shit
                Clearly you because you brought him up and are now shitting yourself.
                >Until the anime confirms anyone is way stronger than another
                They did, in this tournament.
                >If they wanted to make a point that they’re nowhere close in level
                They did, by showing her Excadrill in a desperate struggle, her Dragonite down in 30 seconds, and her Haxorus not able to land any significant blow.
                >Everything else is headcanon.
                No, everything you’ve tried to push is headcanon. I go by objectivity. You should try it sometime. Go cry about it and Take your meds.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kek Iris rent free again. Since battles are being compared, Dragon Claw landed on Sirfetch’d twice but Cynthia couldn’t get a clean hit with Mega Garchomp on base Haxorus. Doesn’t matter what you say the anime never said Cynthia is extremely more powerful than Iris and actually said the contrary

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Kek Iris rent free again.
                ??? What.

                >Since battles are being compared, Dragon Claw landed on Sirfetch’d twice
                Did you watch the battle? Clearly not because Sirfetch’d used Detect on the second Dragon Claw.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn’t mean he blocked it by himself. Yes I watched the battle kek

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >That doesn’t mean he blocked it by himself
                ??? What? What part of Dragon Claw touched him? He completely dodged it. What in the world are you talking about?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn’t matter what you say the anime never said Cynthia is extremely more powerful than Iris and actually said the contrary
                Kek no it didn’t. Stop lying to yourself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also Gastrodon is a Water/Ground Type. Exacdrill only has Ground and Steel Type moves barring Focus Blast (which accuracy failed even further because of Muddy Water). Horn Drill was the only move left and if Cynthia didn’t fail on getting this super effective win, he wouldn’t have had the chance of pulling it off.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >By her side

                Haxorus and Garchomp both got a single win. Haxorus one shot Milotic after Dragonite landed a bunch of Super Effective Thunder Punches. At least be bias and correct.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then that means Diantha is a better trainer than Lance

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Then that means Diantha is a better trainer than Lance
            Most likely, but Diantha had so much of type advantage she could afford tactics like that. Rillaboom just OHKO her entire team so there was no chance to do anything.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm really wondering how Ash is gonna deal with Rillaboom
              it's no joke, and nobody in his team really has a clear advantage over it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The one saving grace with Rillaboom is that it doesn't have Grassy Surge as an ability
                All of Leon's other mons have their HAs. If that holds true for Charizard that's good too because Gmax Charizard can't get boosted by Solar Power.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only mistake was changing the rules of the entire tournament solely for Ash, just so Leon can have a "full power" fight
    Fuck off, it's a handicap, and it ruins the spirit of competition

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn’t make any sense. Ash has mastered all gimmicks, but was restricted to using one. He was fighting with a handicap the entire competition. Leon took that limiter off so he could fight Ash at his best.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How does Ash being able to fight at his best ruin the spirit of the competition

        Ash at his "best" would be using all the other pokemon he's trained to championship level along the way

        Why doesn't Leon just let Ash use 60 fucking pokemon, it's Ash at his best afterall!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He doesn’t have a mega stone for any other Pokémon but Lucario, or the Gmax factor for any other Pokémon than Gengar. How would that be his best?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            then the rules of the tournament should have been
            >You can use as many gimmicks as you are capable of using
            Cynthia wasn't able to D-Max and Mega in the same battle

            It's just lame to take the established tournament rules and throw them out the window for the finale
            now if Ash wins, people will just say
            >but he needed all 3 gimmicks to win so he's not really stronger than Leon

            I just want a definite answer to which is the better trainer, and this doesn't do that

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >You can use as many gimmicks as you are capable of using
              Yeah you’re right. Being forced to only using one is stupid in a competition to determine the strongest trainer.

              > It's just lame to take the established tournament rules and throw them out the window for the finale
              Because Leon, the strongest trainer, feels like he can’t hold that title unless he wins against the other top trainer at their strongest.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It just feels like Leon is looking down on Ash

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Cynthia wasn't able to D-Max and Mega in the same battle
              Nobody knew she could Dynamax or Mega before the championships. The dynamax against Ash was a surprise. If Ash knows she could do that ahead of time it isn't as effective, and he can also has Dynamax at his disposal.
              Let it also be known that Ash is the best Dynamaxer in the anime aside from Leon, he's KO'd at least one mon every time he did it bar the very first time against Leon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > Why doesn't Leon just let Ash use 60 fucking pokemon, it's Ash at his best afterall!
          Because that’s not fair? In what official competition are you restricted to just one gimmick?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In what official competition are you restricted to just one gimmick?
            THIS ONE, RIGHT UP UNTIL LEON OVERRODE THE RULES

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I wasn’t talking about the anime, I was talking about real life. The actual PWC doesn’t restrict you to one gimmick. You can use Ultra Burst, a Z-Move, Primal Reversion, Battle Bond, and Mega Evolution all in the same battle.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok well we're talking about the anime right now

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And the anime’s rule is retarded. Among other things. Forcing ash to fight at a disadvantage just to keep up with that stupid rule is retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It’s supposed to come off that way. Japanese fans were saying the exact same thing when the episode aired. Most of his dialogue during the battle is supposed to come off as him taking the piss out of Ash. He’s taking lightly his strong a full-powered Ash actually is, which is why he took the first loss with Inteleon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Meant to reply to

                It just feels like Leon is looking down on Ash

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Weird, seems out of character for Leon. I guess they realized they needed to make him a little less likeable so people would root for Ash harder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How does Ash being able to fight at his best ruin the spirit of the competition

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my biggest issue is how this will affect the future
    this is a pretty cement declaration of the strongest trainers in the entire world, not just Galar. what happens now? is Paldea/all future regions just full of subpar trainers that never show up in any tournaments or something?? way to write yourself into a wall, Pokemon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the anime is probably legitimately ending, at least for a while
      we're at the point where I don't want them to retire ash, but they basically have to

      Just let the kid get his big win and become the strongest, then we can leave him in peace
      It's not like they can't dig him up for cameos here and there

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No because it humbled delusional Alainfags after 6 years of dealing with their bullshit

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone with a brain know that Journeys is trash. But people are deluding themselves into liking it to cope because they want to see Ash win something, otherwise it will remind them of how their lives are miserable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they want to see Ash win something, otherwise it will remind them of how their lives are miserable
      yeah, I won't lie, that's how it is for me
      I just want something nice to happen for once

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think it will happen, its just that it could have been so much better.

        All that projection. You doomfags have shitty lives.

        I just want the anime to be good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All that projection. You doomfags have shitty lives.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t understand how people can complain about this but dick suck the Alola and Kalos League. Alain’s Mega Charizard X literally got shitted on by Ash-Greninja’s incomplete form, and then went on to beat it in its complete form. Ash got like 3 last minute powerups all within a couple hours in order to beat Gladion and Kukui. Let’s not even talk about how ash only beat Hau because Rowlet was able to cosplay in-battle

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Give them a mirror to face themselves and they'll break it. They will cry in pain, move the goalposts, deflect with other excuses, and accusing you as coping & seething Irispedo/Leonjeet/Ashpedro as they lash over you when you remind them that she lost.
    As I like Cynthia for her elegance, perfection. Her unhinged, barbaric, primitive, power monger fans don't deserve her.

    We need a prize for this unbiased Cynthia fan asap!

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The entirety of Journeys was a mistake

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Flint lost to Leon, Iris didn’t. What the fuck are you saying?
    Getting defeated by Leon didn’t remove him from the Masters 8. Watch the show instead of speed watching.

    >No it’s just you being in denial, because again you’re delusional.

    Denial of what? Arbitrary logic and ridiculous power scaling? I didn’t say Iris was stronger than her. You’re taking it that way.

    > Don’t insert headcanon into a conversation about objectivity.

    The irony.

    > If I we were to strictly talk about JN Iris, what feats does she have besides becoming Champion?

    This is mouth.

    >She lost to Ash with her Champion team while he was using his newer team,

    So did Cynthia and Steven. And if you argue that Ash got stronger than by logic she did as well since she even beat him into the Masters 8.

    >and then lost to Cynthia.

    She did but that doesn’t mean she’d lose every single time.

    >She hasn’t done anything of note besides beating Caitlin and Alder, who themselves have no feats.

    They’re not main characters. What feats did Aaron have during DP?

    >Stop being defensive
    The irony

    >because it seems like that’s all you’re good at judging from this conversation.

    Irony part 2

    > If you’re not going to come up with actual counter arguments then fuck off.

    Irony part 3.

    You’re spewing headcanon and you’re not convincing me or anybody else. I didn’t say Iris is stronger and I don’t think she is. All of the Champions besides Leon and Ash are on equal footing. You made this about some weird argument about her becoming Champion, her feats and imaginary fantasy battles. It’s weird. Why so hung up?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Getting defeated by Leon didn’t remove him from the Masters 8.
      It put him at #8, then when we saw Raihan it was shown he was #8. Watch the show instead of speed watching.

      >Denial of what?
      The power scaling, obviously, because you’ve deluded yourself into thinking Iris is stronger than she is.
      >I didn’t say Iris was stronger than her.
      You said there’s nothing showing Cynthia isn’t vastly stronger than her, which isn’t true. Again, you’re delusional.
      >The irony.
      Haven’t even attempted to insert headcanon because I’m not a retard, like yourself.
      >This is mouth.
      Did you finally break?
      >So did Cynthia and Steve
      They lost to Ash with gimmicks, stronger than he was back then. Iris lost to Ash vanilla, with a fresh new capture at that.
      >since she even beat him into the Masters 8.
      The Ultra Class battles were on a schedule and his just so happened to be the last battle. Watch the show instead of speed watching.
      >She did but that doesn’t mean she’d lose every single time.
      There is absolutely nothing showing she wouldn’t lose every time.
      >The irony
      Using that word wrong again.
      >Irony part 2
      And again
      >Irony part 3.
      And again.

      >You’re spewing headcanon
      Completely false, try again.
      >and you’re not convincing me or anybody else.
      Believe me, I don’t need to convince someone with mental illness. No one agrees with you.
      >All of the Champions besides Leon and Ash are on equal footing.
      There is absolutely nothing implying this at all.
      >You made this about some weird argument about her becoming Champion
      Uh no, that was you dumbass, see

      Iris was not outmatched by Cynthia but that wasn’t even the point of the conversation. There is nothing Cynthia has done before this or during the match that makes me think she’s extremely stronger than her or anybody. Any person who’s saying otherwise just can’t handle that Iris is a Champion or anywhere close to her despite the anime saying otherwise.

      The top three did no better than the bottom. Steven’s ace got absolutely no wins and Diantha and Lance was a flip of a coin. They’re most likely not far off from each other as well. This tournament has no opponent that extremely outclasses the other or at least the anime doesn’t say that. Anything else is pure headcanon outside of Leon.

      I never once mentioned anything about her being Champion. See what I mean by saying you’re delusional? You made up stuff and cried about it. Not indulging in this anymore, take your meds.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Irisfags got BTFO once again, goodness gracious this has to be a record

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris was annoying as shit in BW and a hypocrite but boy did Journeys making her a Champion stay hilarious even now. A fictional character has everyone up in arms yelling. Go touch some grass peeps. And then the fight with Cynthia? Lmao.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One person saying Iris was outmatched by Cynthia, in a post not even solely focusing on Iris, single-handedly made one Irisfag derail the remainder of this thread. Irisfags are mentally ill.!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, they both went at it. That anon was pretty neutral and kept repeating Iris didn’t deserve a win over Cynthia and that they’re all equal. That drove you Cynthiafags off the rail because that means Iris is good enough to be there and your blonde bimbo isn’t completely on Leon’s and Ash’s level. I love that they got paired together in the first round because this is comedy gold.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like you are said anon because they were anything but neutral. And I hate Cynthia fyi. Leon >>>>> in any point in history. Maybe you Irisfags should stop pointing fingers and instead focus on seeking help.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Irisfag made a post not focused on Iris, about Iris

        The jokes write themselves.

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