>is like a 50 year old man when he takes Sean from the vault

>is like a 50 year old man when he takes Sean from the vault
>still like a 50 year old man when you thaw out and find him
but father is like totally your son bro
why dont you believe it bro???
You wouldn't seriously kill the 70 year old man claiming to be your son would you????
>:0
>He's claming to be your son!
>Clearly he IS your son.
Mother fricking fallout 4 writing lmao

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the only lesson i learned from fallout 4 is that bald people like kidnapping children

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Kellogg is an ageless immortal cyborg, heavily modified by the Institute... which still doesn't really make sense because they don't seem to have any other ageless synths, since gen 3 synths are essentially just cloned humans with a mind-control device.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 3 synths also don't age. They don't lose or gain weight either. Honestly, I don't understand how they'd be so hard to distinguish knowing that. I'd expect them to have completely whack biology if that were true

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >immortal cyborg
      That’s now how cell life works dipshit
      Having a robot laser eye or a titanium arm doesn’t magically stop the aging process
      And if the institute has a way to magically stop the aging process why the frick did it allow father to get old and die when the entire operation is literally predicated on his leadership?
      Give father the fricking magic cyborg youth serum?
      Frick that.
      Better to give it to this random merc grunt we occasionally employ even though he’s objectively a step down from the fricking terminators we can churn out by the dozen and program however we want

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >And if the institute has a way to magically stop the aging process why the frick did it allow father to get old and die when the entire operation is literally predicated on his leadership?
        old leadership was down with that type of research and willing to use it.
        new leadership thought frick that we going to do other moronic shit.
        as for why father didnt think hey wait we have this. we should use it its pretty clear the institute are moronic and lost knowledge stays lost even if it would be easy to find.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >dipshit
        Easy, friendo. I didn't say it made sense. That's simply the explanation given in-game for why Kellogg looks the same. They just say the Institute has altered him a bunch.

        Gen 3 synths also don't age. They don't lose or gain weight either. Honestly, I don't understand how they'd be so hard to distinguish knowing that. I'd expect them to have completely whack biology if that were true

        I know there are a few references to synths not aging or needing to eat/breathe, but I can't see how that makes any sense when they also make it so clear that "no medical test can distinguish a synth". If that's the case, then why the frick didn't the lady in Covenant just put captured people on a diet for a week instead of administering their moronic GOAT thing? The gen 3 synth lore just seems like Bethesda made no effort to decide how they worked before people started writing the stories with them.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You can kind of excuse it by the fact that the tells I listed are only accessible on an Institute terminal, not general knowledge, so no one surface side is likely to know this stuff.

          But on the whole you're right. If someone doesn't need to eat or sleep to continue living then it really ought to be as simple as taking a blood sample and seeing what the frick is up under a microscope. Their biology is going to be completely alien.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's lazy and stupid but not really that bad for bethesda. I remember the "synths" in battlestar galactica can jam a bundle of fiber optic cable into their arm and create computer signals through it yet there is also no way to test whether they're not human
          If anything has ever been dumber than bethesda I give bethesda a pass, they have to hit top stupidest thing in human history for me to consider it out of line

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >a step down from the terminators
        It's unlikely, Kellogg was already considered exceptionally tough and the Institute kept him hired specifically so he wouldn't cause too much damage across the Wasteland.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >And if the institute has a way to magically stop the aging process why the frick did it allow father to get old and die when the entire operation is literally predicated on his leadership?
        serious: for no reason. like actually for no reason. the institute is a troll faction, they do shit for the lulz and 'for great science!'
        the only reason why kellogg is a cyborg is so that he looks the same age from when you find him as when he kidnaps the kid, so the player can plausibly believe that no time has passed even though anyone with a brain would have figured 'theres no way for me to know how much time has passed, that kid could have died of old age by now'
        actually i lied, the other reason he is a cyborg is so that the player character can have their moronic 'revenge' that bethesda wrote even though kellogg ostensibly isnt that big a fan of the institute and is the players only lead to it. the cyberbrain shit allows them to make you be able to kill kellogg and still find a way inside.
        why do you even need the revenge? kellogg is a crazy hardened merc that is ubercompetent, when tasked to retrieve virgil from the glowing sea, he tells them dead or alive. he is (in-universe) hardcore, so why does he lose his shit after one second of this random groggy frozen person refusing to let go of a kid, getting rid of a valuable pre-war untainted test subject? simple, they needed to get rid of the spouse so that you can run around the wasteland without them plausibly.
        when you get inside and look up the cybernetics proposal on an institute terminal, it contains an institute scientist detailing the success that was observed in the test's single subject (kellogg) with permission to continue funding and research. underneath it says (Denied: No reason given)
        lol
        lmao

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >serious: for no reason. like actually for no reason. the institute is a troll faction, they do shit for the lulz and 'for great science!'
          Red.dit the faction

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit can you put it through an ai and summarize it?
          I wanna read it but your formatting is absolutely insane

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Could you maybe stop being black??

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I'm White, so I prefer to read well structured text instead of this stream of crazy bullshit where the guy doesn't even know what capital letters are

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://convertcase.net/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            i will not truncate my post

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > so the player can plausibly believe that no time has passed even though anyone with a brain would have figured 'theres no way for me to know how much time has passed, that kid could have died of old age by now'
          I hate this so much. There is no way for your character or any character in the game to bring that eventuality, just because Emil wanted this «gotcha» moment. I unironically believe that this guy is a legit moron

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair Kellogg is also unnecessarily ruthless. He immediately killed the protagonist's spouse just for holding onto Shaun shortly after being unfrozen, there's no way the protagonist can forgive that. Kellogg might've been stressed out by the protagonist because he was both sent out again so he'd be killed by the protagonist (also Shaun's personal revenge), he never really left loose ends before and he didn't expect the protagonist to survive in the Commonwealth, so he has a good reason to give a frick about the random guy that is trying to kill him.
          The problem with "finding a way inside" is probably worse when you consider that teleportation has become an important aspect of the story, when it should've remained relegated to wacky settings like Old World Blues. LITERAL molecular rearrangement from any distance to any destination, it's probably one of THE most future-tech things in the franchise and it's been slapped onto the main story as "the only way to get to and from the Institute".

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >. He immediately killed the protagonist's spouse just for holding onto Shaun shortly after being unfrozen
            She was warned to let go of the baby and she refused. It wasn't as if Nora was too dazed from cryogenic waking to know what was happening, she clearly refused to give up shaun and paid the price for it.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >It wasn't as if Nora was too dazed from cryogenic waking to know what was happening
              Actually for the people in the cryogenic arrays the Great War happened about a few minutes prior to being frozen, and that memory was still very recent in their minds. One of the terminals also pointed out that the vault dwellers didn't protest at all to being shoved into cryo because they were still too shocked. Both Nate and Nora are pre-war citizens so they're used to pre-war civility, neither of them expected to immediately get shot in the head for not complying while a lady in a hazmat suit is forcibly trying to take their baby away.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >And if the institute has a way to magically stop the aging process why the frick did it allow father to get old and die when the entire operation is literally predicated on his leadership?
        He himself shut down the implant division because to quote "the institute isn't about the merging of humanity and machines".

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >mankind, redefined
          >no, not like that!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes anon, the institute is moronic.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Indeed, here's the full quote.
            >I'm told Kellogg has gone offline. Strangely, I find myself thinking of Dr. Walker. He had such high hopes for Kellogg. Such faith in the implants, and what they could mean. I still regret eliminating that project, but I know where it would have led us. Walker was never shy about his goals, and too many others were starting to listen. In the end, I believe I was justified. The Institute is about preserving humanity, not some bizarre amalgamation of biology and technology.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >creates gen 3 synths

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              This is one of those pure cases where you could tell the writers wrote themselves into a corner.
              >kellogg needs implants in order to have the epic plot twist
              >but now it's a problem because the key plot of the institute is father is dying
              >ok we'll just have it so that only kellogg got those implants for some reason
              And entire faction molded around a twist that was leaked a week before launch.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Good thing too, or we'd get an institute FEV The Master. And, man, I don't think I could have endured that...

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >The Institute is about preserving humanity
              >main effect on the wasteland is killing and replacing people, and making more supermutants they've released to kill people
              this is such a moronic fricking faction

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The Institute is about preserving humanity
                preserving only what they define as humanity, not wasters and commonwealth's potential government that could've proved a threat so they killed it off
                >main effect on the wasteland is killing and replacing people, and making more supermutants they've released to kill people
                supermutant thing was a mistake on their part, they stopped doing that long before the ss shows up, sm's made more of themselves after
                they changed agenda to expanding underground and looting the surface and it's not made bluntly obvious, but it's there

                they have a clear motivation and logic it's just not spoonfed to you

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair it's been established since Fallout 2 that the people on the surface are no longer human. Father would at least be as consistent as the Enclave were in FO2

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >the institute isn't about the merging of humanity and machines".
          So what is the Institute about

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      And was then promptly murdered by a level 3 moron and his pipe rifle?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU MEAN WORKING FOR THE AMORAL SHADOW COUNCIL FACTION THAT LIVES UNDERGROUND AND DOES FRICKED UP EXPERIMENTS WOULD LEAD ME TO DO QUESTIONABLE THINGS???? AAAWWWGGGHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NATE-SAMA PLEEEASE FORGIVE ME

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >have drastically slowed his aging process down
    >is an actual cyborg, even though it's not visible
    >technology never mentioned again
    Even New Vegas had cybernetic implants for the player character.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    everything about the sean plotline is so dumb, it genuinely seems like it was a last-second idea because they couldn't think of a better motivation for your character than a carbon copy of 3's plot
    as much as I think the synths are stupid it would've been a better narrative if your character simply was a synth, or was at least just heavily suspected to be one, and their only motivation was just trying to find answers. like everything about being pre-war and the cryo chamber shit and your son is just too much nonsense

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It took me a second to even understand what you were talking about but then I vaguely remember the intro.

    People actually do story shit in Bethesda games? I thought people just modded them and fricked around killing?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's a robot.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I found it way stranger how they found him.
    >Hey Kelloggs had a house here but hasn't been here for months, better have your dog follow the freshest scent trail to the point of coming across a caravan he randomly murdered moments ago

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly tho
      And the AFTER a place camped at for a night on his way north
      There are like 20 different things that make the timeline complete horse shit in the main quest
      None of this impossible to do if you just take 5 minutes to plan it out; nothing like this happened in new vegans and they had a MUCH longer tracking time line to keep consistent

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    .

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      he's right. just play fallout 2. half the time that game is like a post apocalyptic family guy episode. bethesda wasn't wrong to view the lore so casually when they had that game as a basis point. bethesda didn't 'rape' the series, brian fargo and black isle did

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The entire series was based on Fargo's game Wasteland. The series was never ruined. Your sense of humor changed and now you're bitter and middle aged.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The big problem is that Bethesda is not consistent. People didn't mind shit like Mothership Zeta, aliens already existed in the setting. They minded the fact that they tiptoe around whether ghouls need regular sustenance or not, or that they retconned Jet, a post-war drug, to be a pre-war drug. And people don't even mind changes that much if the result looks better, power armor is now more like a walking mini-tank rather than extremely durable armor, with an energy source and all. Whenever Bethesda doesn't remain consistent with the franchise there's room for interpretation that at best Bethesda forgot/made an oopsie (there's hundreds of employees working on a game and they get assigned different things) and at worst they don't care at all about the setting.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He's the only half way decent character in Fallout 4. All of the rest of them are soulless and boring. Fallout 5 needs more guys like him and less characters like the entirety of Starfield.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think Kellog would have been a better character if he would have said things like "chew on THIS" and "this is gonna cereal-lousy HURT" during his fight

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Kellogg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I agree. Kellogg had more personality than all of the other F4 npcs combined. There should have been more of him.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He eats babies to stay young

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Good way to circumvent that shit would be some int/one of the robotics perk check where you could check your freezer in the vault and dates of it being opened, although it probably could be tampered with, but I doubt they would bother.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bethesda thought that the old shaun reveal would be the most electrifying narrative moment in the history of vidya, they aren't giving that away

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My guess is that they came up with the Shaun being the Old Man arc long after they did the entire Kellog sequence so they lazily shoved in an excuse for how he's still alive after 60 years and completely forget about it.

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