Is playing dual blades or sword and shield or other fast weapons in Monster Hunter missing the point of the game?

Is playing dual blades or sword and shield or other fast weapons in Monster Hunter missing the point of the game? I hear it's all about big committal attacks, so playing a fast attacking weapon seems to go against it, but I could just be autistic

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, you trade off good long ranged attacks for the higher mobility and your strongest moves still have long recovery frames so it's easy to get caught out, they're also much worse than others at battling some specific monsters where player mobility is less of a concern than the reach of your attacks. In general most weapons in their newer iterations adhere pretty closely to each other and encourage you to learn your specific moveset, the moves of the enemy monsters and toy with your specific equipment loadout/managing your inventory. The closest thing to an exception is hammer, which takes very little skill to use and plays identically against every other monster since it gives you free knockdowns with little effort

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No because now you have to learn something far more difficult.

    Math.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hunting is about about killing something, turning it into fancy clothes and killing more things. Gunners are the purest hunters because they understand that all that matters is killing fast so you can kill more.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      MH should never have gunner weapons

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is the most portable game post i've seen on this board.

      • 1 year ago
        SAGE

        >gunner weapons are more busted than ever in gen 5
        >lel portable moment
        Absolutely mindbroken.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like if you have faster attacking weapons you get greedy with how many combos/loops of said combos you can do, and you really have to show withdrawal or learn advanced cancels and stuff but maybe I’m just making that up and no such thing exists. But its certainly possible. Slowest weapon I use is SA, next probably CB, and fastest is LS. LS i find myself getting greedy, and also wanting to get fancy with combos. CB has a guard point i think and pretty sure SA has a dodge cancel somewhere. Anyway this game has more intricacies than it gets credit for.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At the end of the day, the game is always about positioning and timing
    Be it with a fast hitting close range weapon, or a slow swinging long range weapon, if you're in the wrong place or attacking at the wrong time, you're fricked

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anything but longsword is okay to pick op. Unless you're French then you're also not allowed to use the insect glaive.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dual blades in Monster Hunter is not what you'd really expect of that weapon type. You'd think its a weapon that dodges around and is constantly on the move but SnS actually fits that better. Dual Blades is more about stamina management and finding a good timing to use your super move that locks you in place for the entirety of the animation.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MH hasn't been about big committal attacks since GU.
    World took another approach but combat is still a lot floatier.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm playing 3U and 4U

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, commitment died when GS RIP’d in world

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      normal GL in World is overcommitment: the weapon

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not like it matters
        >mantles
        >health aug
        >monsters flinch and trip from every hit

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          sure, but you've moved the goalpost entirely

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We need to return to Tri.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, it's very simple actually

    >Melee weapons
    Playing it right
    >Ranged weapons
    Playing it wrong

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I mean, valor GS charged instantly and had valor's get out of jail free card.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I love valor GS. it's so dumb

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    nah even with tackle you still had to commit to stuff in world because ultimately it's a mainline game that at least tries to be more grounded, GU valor gs is fricking crazy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you still had to commit to stuff in world because ultimately it's a mainline game that at least tries to be more grounded
      The frick does this even mean? You can cancel any charge any time you want you god damn Black person

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not to mention how you can steer a charge practically 180 regardless.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sns and ds have some of the biggest commits in the form of perfect rush and demon dance.
    'fast' weapons just lock you into multi hit combos.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, fast weapons deal small damage per hit and must compensate with higher aggression which they are good at in the first place.

    That is why I love lance, I can just attack non stop and kill the monsters with one hundred pokes.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >love big unga damage in fighting games
    >used to love great sword too
    >for some reason now in love with sns
    hmmm

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Every weapon has commital attacks

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is there really any benefit playing 3U on cemu vs 3ds?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You fricking c**t you've been asking this question 5 times in the past 3 days just shut up already

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        FUUUUUUUUUARK

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only weapon that doesn't have to commit to something to deal damage is ranged weapons and Lance
    Everything else has some higher form of animation commitment

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bug?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Dunno

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is playing dual blades or sword and shield or other fast weapons in Monster Hunter missing the point of the game?
    Sort of, you used to be appropriately punished for playing these weapons because they were deliberately much weaker than the slow high commital weapons like GS/Hammer/HBG so you were naturally pushed towards learning these weapons with the small and fast ones acting as crutches for beginners, but the balance in the newer games is shit and there's very little reason to bother anymore (or you just play ranged weapons which outdamage everything while also being completely safe and braindead)

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i picked up rise as a newcomer to the series and am torn between hammer, lance, and gunlance
    which should i be for solo (i dont have friends)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They are all fun
      Just swap around when you're bored

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lance

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Become a lance chad

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >start the supposed masterpiece freedom unite
    >sns has literally one entire combo, two if you count being super commited
    >barely any moves
    SnS is incredibly boring in that game

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're not supposed to be playing SnS, FU's weapons are GS, Hammer, LS and HBG
      Pick one

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Oh cool, what a fantastic game where half the weapons are pointless. FUgays are moronic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh cool, what a fantastic game where half the weapons are pointless
          You mean like every MH game? Or every action game? Or every video game even?
          Some things are always gonna be better than others, that doesn't make a game bad, how fun the good shit is is what matters

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ahahaha fricking hell

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Half the weapons in 4U are pointless and people can't stop sucking off that game. It's just kind of unavoidable. The sooner you stop worrying about things like weapon balance and learn to play to a game's strengths, the happier you'll be.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Half the weapons in 4U are pointless
                Not even remotely true, CB is busted but that doesn't invalidate the other weapons. If you want actual pointless weapons, look at any weapon that isn't lance while hunting underwater in 3U.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you mention CB specifically tells me you don't actually know anything about 4U.
                GS is the king of 4U, followed by IG, and then HBG, CB and DB roughly tied, with some matchup dependence. But one of these weapons will always have the number 1 spot on every hunt. Meanwhile the other half of the weapon lineup trail far behind, with SnS and Bow still being playable but not as good as the top and high tiers.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Except I never mentioned damage or tiers, I said it was boring because you do the same sequence over and over.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I said it was boring because you do the same sequence over and over
                Every weapon uses the same moves over and over
                You do that in most action games in fact unless you're playing DMC where you're just trying to look cool

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean GS is literally a single move that you sometimes charge and is great fun, SnS in FU is just mind numbing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >GS
                Only good in endgame apex hunts with complete builds. An awful CB will carry you solo from low rank to grank without ever fainting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cb is king of clearing story in a clownsuit because of how safe and damaging it is.
                bugstick doesn't really take off until you have a miku suit at which point it becomes discotan.
                if you farmed a gq gs you have terminal autism and I doff my hat to you sir.

                4U is piss easy until endgame, bringing up tiers before late G rank and GQs when that's where you'll spend most of your playtime is pointless
                >but I quit playing after 50 hours and never did GQs
                Then you're not good enough for tiers to even apply to you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cb is king of clearing story in a clownsuit because of how safe and damaging it is.
                bugstick doesn't really take off until you have a miku suit at which point it becomes discotan.
                if you farmed a gq gs you have terminal autism and I doff my hat to you sir.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Meanwhile every run in the top 10 speedruns in MHW is with a different weapon. Curious.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              monster hunter speedruns are a joke and are just abort abort abort fifty times until you get an uninterrupted sequence of windows.
              it's like if they gave you unlimited run ups on the pole vault.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nice deflection.

                >Meanwhile every run in the top 10 speedruns in MHW is with a different weapon.
                Are we seriously gonna act like MHW speedruns weren't dominated by chink HBG mains and a few frostcraft SnS players?

                Not in the top 10 they aren't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Not in the top 10 they aren't.
                How about you post that mythical "top 10" then?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How about you look it up for yourself before you whine about something that isn't true?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Meanwhile every run in the top 10 speedruns in MHW is with a different weapon.
              Are we seriously gonna act like MHW speedruns weren't dominated by chink HBG mains and a few frostcraft SnS players?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you mean like every MH game? Or every action game? Or every video game even?
            theres no way you actually think like this

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Name 1 game that doesn't have multiple weapons that just suck ass

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Iceborne

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                IG and Hammer are pretty bad overall, IG is entirely carried by DT drills and Hammer by ledge setups

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the weapons are bad because you have to use them in a different way, then they're good
                Big think.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They're bad because they're not consistent, the ways to make them strong don't work outside of a few select quests
                It doesn't matter how good of a matchup IG has vs Alatreon, that doesn't make the weapon good overall

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hatchets are genuinely top tier and tonfas are incredible. axe has bad skill setups but performs well, no idea about kusarigama
                >t. +9 depths player

                >hatchets defenders
                Imagine having your weapon's entire identity mogged by a single switchglaive DLC skill

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                a single high commitment short range toss is not the same as having a massive assortment of long-range options, fantastic mobility, and multiple absurdly strong multihits and zoning tools
                so obvious when people who played hatchets with just tosses reveal themselves

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Weird, I don't see him use ledges or slides at all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no reply
                >posts something completely unrelated to complain about next
                Oh you know exactly what kind of thread this'll be.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no reply
                >posts something completely unrelated to complain about next
                Oh you know exactly what kind of thread this'll be.

                to be fair Garuga's basically the one good matchup hammer will always have even at its worst, even in 4U where hammer was miserably shit it still did well vs Garuga

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                nioh and nioh 2

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hatchets, tonfa, axe and kusarigama are pretty shit in 2 (and everything is shit in that game compared to fists)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                SHITTER DETECTED

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hatchets are genuinely top tier and tonfas are incredible. axe has bad skill setups but performs well, no idea about kusarigama
                >t. +9 depths player

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >SnS is incredibly boring in that game
      Ok

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        SnS is super fun in 3 and 4 though, but awful in FU

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's cool.
          I'm sure each game has a weapon someone finds boring.
          I like the bow in FU but wasn't a fan of it in World (just didn't click).
          It happens.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i think its fine. but i also started this series at freedom 2 so i may be biased. its not like 3rd gens sns is that much different, you only get 2 new moves to your weapon since shield bashing is a meme outside of rise. 4U only added the backhop attack which iirc wasnt very good anyways. its always been a very simple weapon, it also feels like it attacks much faster in FU than 3U/4U but that could just be my imagination

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >it also feels like it attacks much faster in FU than 3U/4U but that could just be my imagination
        Main series titles have exaggerated hitstop so fast attacking weapons feel like you're swinging them underwater
        Portable games usually have very little hitstop so fast weapons feel extremely quick and snappy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          uuuuuuuh i'm pretty sure hitstop is normalized to the same formula in 3U/4U/GU/SB
          only world has this wonky one where damage done affect the amount of hitstop

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I recall that SB hitstop also depends on the damage. Orange numbers have longer hitstop than white ones.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          what? by that logic tri is a mainline game and has massive hitstop but in reality the hitstop is the same as 3U? (almost none) also FU definitely has hitstop on anything that isnt a shitzone and 4U has even bigger hitstop

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Faster-hitting weapons in MonHun are typically a 'death of a thousand cuts' sort of deal. You're still committing to each action you do, outside of things like Demon Dance they're simply put towards shorter animation locks instead. And depending on the game, sharpness may or may not be a bigger issue compared to the slower weapons, who would get more mileage out of the same amount.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I want next MH to be open world with swimming and palamutes and exploring for endemic life and I'm not sorry.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As long as it won't be a GaaS that requires a Capcom ID.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        of course it will
        they're shilling it in their new title exoprimal

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          All the RNG will be then a pain in the neck. Right now you can at least savescum the upcoming augments and then roll them on the part you want.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with everything you have said except palamutes. I think they trivialize the travelling on a big open map also frick fast travels while we're at it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I want monster taming.
      I want to raise a Rathian and Rathalos, then set them free, then get into a bind during a hunt years and years later (in game story time) and have them show up all grown up and save me.
      I would then feed them Well-Done Steaks.
      I should probably just make a monster raiser game at this point

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried monster hunter stories?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I want the next MH to be open world with monster breeding and palamute breeding and endemic life breeding.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Uhhhh what kind of breeding are we talking about here?

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >want to be a gunlance chad
    >completely unwieldy and can't do shit
    I will suffer through the learning curve but holy hell this thing is weird

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what game? Rise Sunbreak GL is one of the most mobile unga bunga weapon in the game. Before Rise, yeah they take a while to learn.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        4U

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why has every MH thread for the past 2 days or so have this "3DS or cemu" question? Is it an actual bot?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      probably some kid looking for emulator tech support

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How can anyone enjoy anything beyond GS is beyond me

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I've introduced someone to the series and they've found the combat lacking it's usually because they're using fast weapons that can let them play more passively and reactionary and taking forever to clear hunts. Stepping up to something that takes a bit more commitment like hammer or charge blade often makes it easier for them to understand how you're supposed to get in and slap a monster's shit.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if its called monster hunter, why do I have to go around and gather materials from nodes now and again? can't they just automate all that shit now

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    LOL!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >mantle
      >air troony
      christ i don't know how anyone can even defend world

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nobody is forcing you to play that way

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you ignoring the post that disproved your claim, only to then post a webm of a specific scenario that only works during that particular setup and phase?
      Your point was "hammer is only good in certain fights", now you're posting something that only works in that particular hunt and only at that particular spot. Are you trying to sabotage your own argument?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Don't bother, he'll deflect to "muh clutch claw" next.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          But the clutch claw hammer moves are fantastic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You posted a bullshit controlled arena fight like it's representative of normal hammer gameplay. Normal hammer gameplay which is sliding across half the maps because the devs are morons and the other where strong damage comes from low commitement attacks (ledge jumps). So yeah, I fight dishonest with dishonest. Blow me homosexual.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying that hammer is bad because in normal gameplay it would be even better than in that video?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It is bad because it limits the effective moveset you can use for consistent damage. It's like saying hammer was fine in base rise because impact crater did 300MV worth of damage. Completely neutering the rest of the moveset.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Can you post a scenario where you fight a monster that is neither on flat ground nor next to slides nor next to ledges nor next to walls? What are you expecting exactly, being able to fly?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >those attacks are too good so the weapon is bad
              >also it has good attacks in every scenario imaginable, which is bad

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >hammer is bad
          >proof: a video and a webm of completely different scenarios where hammer performs incredibly well
          ???

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You literally fight Fatalis in an arena.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So what's he gonna do once the mantle runs out or the phase changes or he can't get the monster stuck in this loop again?

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >want to use heavy moves more
    >can't use it for 70% of the fight

    risking a high commital move to get a hail mary flinch is stupid

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The controls are equally shit on faster weapons, don't worry.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Spare Shot
    >Razor Sharp

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >the two furious rajang quest in rise
    Boy, this sure isn't fun.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    charge blade is pretty cool

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wtf they're fighting on a slide but he's not sliding around everywhere, how can that be?!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shall Never Surrender
      Kek. I honestly don't miss uneven ground. In Rise:SB sliding is pure cancer and sadly occurs arbitrary in some transitions and places.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      CB hasn't been good since MH4U, the only game where it actually used guard points to play optimally

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The shit boomers come up with to rationalize their game being the "real" one is comical

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's the MonHun cycle. World was available for everyone so it *has* to be bad. Rise was a timed exclusive so it *has* to be amazing. World is considered the casual babby game even though Rise is objectively easier in every single way, something which the fanboys admitted themselves before Sunbreak came out, saying that "it will fix everything", while turning around and saying that Iceborne "fixed nothing".

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >its based when I'm clearly biased though
            lol

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Love how you always describe the polar opposite of what actually happens in these threads.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you got the Rise fanboys really upset with this one lol

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        idk what you are talking about, I started playing 4U from Worldborne and not being able to block>GP is ass. Also, not losing charge on your shield when you do SAED in Iceworld surely means that GP>SAED is better than in 4U?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Losing shield boost after SAED was good, not sure why they removed that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          because SAED is already a high committal move that removes a good chunk of your resources?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >muh counters
        4U CB was braindead as shit but honestly CB hasn't been in a good spot in any game it's appeared in, the weapon is just conceptually flawed

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >conceptually flawed
          What youtuber are you parroting now

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            My own opinion you fricking homosexual
            Every weapon introduced since Tri has been utter dogshit

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              ahahahahaha no seriously no one is this fricking casual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                SA is shit
                IG is shit
                CB is shit
                Every weapon rework in World and Rise was shit
                Deal with it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          is it because you play SnS mode for 80% of the time, Axe Mode being too slow, or being able/unable to spam AED/SAED?

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    and that's why there's no point ever arguing with mhg discordtroons
    it's just dishonest garbage spewing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >still 39 IDs
      >too cowardly to properly reply TWICE in a row
      Maybe you're the problem here, ever thought about that?

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No one asked world babies

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >gets thoroughly BTFO
      >proceeds to cry
      Every time.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I hear it's all about big committal attacks
    no it's about killing big monster

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I make the "this is fun" face on World as well as FU.
      I haven't played any other MH games.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what is that squiggly arrow supposed to mean? fricking moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the fact this pic starts at FU tells me everything i need to know

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. literally the first case but framing it in a different way to deflect
      Absolutely pathetic lmao.

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what to do after Fatalis

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, but playing rangeshitter weapons is.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >GS when hunting Solo
    >Lance when hunting in a group
    >on very rare occassions use a Hammer just because it's fun to smack up certain monsters with it
    simple as
    all I need

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