Is there such a thing as being too critical toward a video game or a video game company? Assuming the person acts in good faith.
Is there such a thing as being too critical toward a video game or a video game company?
Is there such a thing as being too critical toward a video game or a video game company? Assuming the person acts in good faith.
I think people and me included might have been too critical of Blasphemous 2 and Salt and Sacrifice. Maybe it was just metroidvania fatigue or something.
>too critical of Blasphemous 2 and Salt and Sacrifice
two boring, shit sequels to two boring, shit games. I see no problem giving either 1/5, just like the originals.
No, in fact people aren't critical enough. Kneejerk responses and fanboyism aren't the same as general critique.
this
when you put something out for people to consume, dont be surprised people may not like it
do you really want to be like those crybabies at bungie when even the slightest criticism is spun into harassment because devs are so thin skinned they cant handle it like a grown adult?
No. Be too cautious. Don't buy things you aren't 100% sure you'll like. There's other things to do in life.
What I like to do is write a list of things I think I want, then leave it a week and go through the list, seeing if I still want it. Do this for a while and you'll find that a lot of the things you think you want are just momentary whims.
I haven't bought a game within 2 years of release for almost a decade now.
No. The fact that companies get away with releasing broken games and take years to patch them tells me we aren't critical enough and that normalfags are subhuman retards who don't actually play the games they buy or have incredibly low standards.
No and consumers are nowhere near critical enough. What's worse is when they form little armies to try and crush any criticism on behalf of their poor little billion dollar corporations because they're too creatively bankrupt and clueless to understand the importance of critique and view it only as an insult. Meanwhile corporations exploit this behavior all the way to the bank to the detriment of everyone.
>What's worse is when they form little armies to try and crush any criticism on behalf of their poor little billion dollar corporations
warframe forums was(is? haven't been there for years) notorious of this
heaven forbid someone not even made a criticism, but brought forth an issue with the game, i.e a bug, pages upon pages corporate bootlicking how coding is hard and that bug doesn't matter and the company doesn't have time and needs more money
jesus
Destiny was far more militant about it and the cheaters spread that bullshit to other games crying for nerfs in PVE games like diablo 4 for fucks sake..
Yes
This board is proof enough
Critical for criticals sake, to the point of fabricating outrage just for pseudo upvotes in the form of (you)
This is correct. I think people are willing to nitpick the smallest things if it's from a developer they don't like. It's not to say they don't also have valid complaints, but they'll certainly get more angry about some things than they need to be.
>t. the cucks that
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No and consumers are nowhere near critical enough. What's worse is when they form little armies to try and crush any criticism on behalf of their poor little billion dollar corporations because they're too creatively bankrupt and clueless to understand the importance of critique and view it only as an insult. Meanwhile corporations exploit this behavior all the way to the bank to the detriment of everyone. are referring to
Broken games and what I'm talking about are two different things.
Yes: companies deserve my money.
The thing I hated the most about this is basically all the complaints were about black actors when it was dogshit in every department and the rest just gets off scot free. Ugly, dull, cringeworthy show lacking any kind of passion.
Still th actors shouldn't have been black and that alone made the show bad.
The fact everything about it was also terrible was obfuscated by them first
I keep forgetting they made that show
The moment this got political is the moment it lost all credibility. That goes for the show and the criticism of said show. If you can't criticize something without crying democrat, blm, republicans, fascists or whatever other buzzword, then you're just pushing an agenda through confirmation of bias. Do better.
Reddit is fine though, that website is a cesspool, no matter where you go. I've never seen a bigger congregation of bootlickers.
Blackwash is a legitimate complaint and politics are everywhere and in everything, get over it.
>people who say don't think, just consume product and get excited for next product, join the brand cult and be brand evangelists
People are critical because they are passionate about things they love and they don't like when the things they love become divisive, broken, exploitative and/or shit. There is no such thing as overly critical, there is only bad faith criticism such as concern trolling or making mountains out of molehills.
>Is there such a thing as being too critical toward a video game or a video game company?
No. Even if you're being an anal piece of shit contrarian who's nitpicking a popular game just to complain about it, there's nothing wrong with expressing your negative opinion.
People should be encouraged to shit on companies and bad games, big or small.
Sure there is. Its mostly born of entitlement, unrealistic expectations, and zero clue how games operate. Some criticism is valid, but there’s a lot of people who are mind bogglingly ignorant that are way too loud.
>you're entitled for demanding a $70 game work on day one
>you're entitled for noticing a $70 requires $100 in microtransactions to get the full experience
>you're entitled if you notice the game is intentionally wasting your time
>you're entitled if you aren't having fun with your $70 purchase and you complain about it
Games aren't $1 wahoos from the dollar store. They charge a luxury price, they get a luxury critique.
they aren't though. Open any video game selling store physical or digital and you'll see a plethora of titles for quite cheap.
within a year of their release most titles are 20-50% off. Within five years, some reach as high as 90% off, and many get a permanent price reduction. Others add free (or at one time paid) additional content into the base price.
Gone are the days where video games where an inert program. Video games are living things now, buying a game early means you not only pay a premium, you often get a feature incomplete game. You may be a commie and not like it, but the market for purchasing a video game day 1 has spoken and they don't mind buying buggy incomplete overpriced games unironically.
Anon I can guarantee you're a homosexual socialist and the type of person that ruthlessly exploits other people while pretending you're not the problem. have a nice day.
what sort of insane projection was that. I don't even know what being socialist means lmao
Yeah anon I think you "don't know" many things.
yet you haven't countered one of my points. curious. Your argument thwarted by one you consider foolish, oh the egg you must feel on your face.
Anon I think you're a fucking retard with sub 100 IQ. You are incapable of reason and instead decided to take the heroic position of defending $100 video games because "you can just wait 10 years and buy them for $10 maybe"
>I have to have my new toy brand new or else I'll get FOMO
I'm the retard? You're incapable of waiting to play with electronic toys and this is somehow a societal issue.
The fact you think games are so low value you wait 5 years to play them is itself a critique of the current state of games, you retard.
You're arguing with a literal, unironic NPC, don't bother. That guy has never had an original opinion in his life, he's essentially an algorithm trained on YouTube videos.
that has nothing to do with anything I've posted or said.
There was a poster he said
>games cost a premium
I walk into gamestore, I can buy games for very cheap. I open steam/psn/e-shop I can buy games for cheap. Hundreds of titles on sale for 10 dollars or less. Thousand on sales for 25 dollars or less.
instantly debunked. Games do not cost a premium you choose to buy premium priced games.
Wow I guess if the vast majority of lemmings who buy garbage outnumber me that means games shouldn't be criticized for anything ever. Eat shit and die retard.
you're losing sight of the conversation. You're free to criticize games but you can't say you were forced to pay a premium and thus you should judge a game like a 70 dollar product. Because video games are not 70 dollar products.
He said games are a premium price, they aren't,
you choose to pay a premium price to play it sooner. It's not a secret that all games besides nintendo eventually go on steep sales. And even nintendo titles generally get a yearly 10-20% off.
>games aren't premium products
>you could like, pirate the game and pay $0
>you aren't entitled to criticize it
You really are taking the shit road huh?
the fact that you post a game that isn't even released yet leads me to believe you are either posting in bad faith or cannot read. either is a deal breaker for continuing the conversation.
sad!
>get embarrassed and BTFO for being a retarded mindless consoomer
>run away like a bitch while declaring victory
is this a bot? or a ploy to get me to reply?
you're distinctly stating the OPPOSITE of what I've posted. Don't be a consoomer, Don't buy day 1, unless you don't mind the issues that come with buying day 1 (which I also don't mind it's your money do what you want with it)
Quit trying to obfuscate the issue, you conniving israelite rat. You're defending that companies release unfinished products for the price of a finished product by saying "W-WELL YOU CAN JUST WAIT TEN YEARS AND GET IT ON SALE" like a drooling retard. You fucking sicken me.
sad!
>zero fucking arguments
That's what I thought. I accept your concession.
sad!!
You've already admitted you're just trolling. I've won. You can stop responding now, pup.
sad!!!
what if i sold you a kebab at full price, but 50% of the ingredients are missing, including the meat, and there are also pieces of hair in it
of course you don't get to see it either, because it's inside a box
enjoy your meal!
sad fucking homosexual
>food analogy
and the american reveals himself. he was hungry. no wonder he's so angry. enjoy second Brunch my sweet burger.
>i use le food analogy arrow card! xdd damn son i btfo him now
nagger homosexual
point to one of my posts that's disingenuous or posted in bad faith or ironically.
Everything I said was 100% serious I'll defend anything I said (please include a quote)
You have to yet to address the fact that you are defending companies releasing unfinished products and expecting people to pay the price of a finished product. And no, "Y-You can just wait for a sale/patches" is not a fucking argument because games were not always released as unfinished, bug-ridden pieces of shit dependent on patches and DLC. You would know this if you weren't a fucking zoomer.
no more food analogies, fatass?
oh you're hungry? i can shove my cock down your throat and promise i'll cum down it, but in the end i'll just pull out and paint your face
why are amerisharts all gay lmao
post hands
appeal to tradition is not a valid argument either.
What are you even saying. I don't defend companies releasing unfinished/overrpiced products. If I did I would purchase them. I play video games, if they were worth 70 dollars, I would pay that. They aren't. The consoomers are to blame, people buy the games in the state they're in, how can you blame the company for doing something profitable?
>games were not always released as unfinished, bug-ridden pieces of shit dependent on patches and DLC.
this is also not valid as it presupposes what you're saying is true. but it's not, some games have released in the past as buggy unfinished pieces of shit, and not all games release in that state today. You state it as an absolute when it is anything but 100% true in any time frame (in the past not all games were finished/not bug ridden, in the present not all games are unfinshed/bug ridden)
I recall quest for glory 4 a game from 1994 was borderline unplayable on release and unlike a game from today it got patched but I never received that patch.
Furthermore you can just wait for sales/patches is a perfectly valid argument whether or not games were at one time released in a more feature complete state. I don't see how the two ideas are connected and this seems like a weird leap in logic.
>weren't a fucking zoomer
what does that have to do with anything?
You're just moving the goalposts like a babbling retard. There is zero defense for companies releasing unfinished products and charging the price of a finished product, regardless of whether or not they go on sale. "Appeal to tradition" is a fucking retarded response to the fact that these shit devs intentionally pump out half-finished garbage just because there are some morons who buy it. The morons are also to blame, but you're acting like the companies are blameless like a israelite rat shill.
>what does that have to do with anything?
You just confirmed that you're a zoomer who doesn't even remember a time when games released in an actually finished and playable state. "N-NOT ALL GAMES ARE LIKE THAT" isn't an argument either.
that's honestly just a sad post bro. moving the goalposts? which are? what were they and how did I move them.
let's just focus on this one thing. What were the goal posts, how did I move them? go.
>s-s-sad!
And you go back to your pathetic, transparent attempts at "trolling". I sincerely want your entire generation to die. Fucking zoomer.
what were the goalposts and how did I move them?
video games are a product
washing machines are a product
now then, once you purchase (for full price) the latter, would you find it normal that you'll get its chassis and motor only, and only over the course of years, you'll also get the other components?
Except your analogy falls apart because most video games are released in a perfectly playable state. No a few bugs or glitches or poor performance on some systems are not equivalent to a washing machine that cannot run at all.
Furthermore the time frame is off. Critical bugs are typically patched quite quickly compared to "the course of years"
Yes the issues are extremely frustrating that vidya experiences on launch but like my original post ITT says the people who buy vidya day 1 are cool with it, so what can you do or say. If you aren't in that market that's fine but don't claim this is some societal issue or that you have NOGAEMS to play because there are fucking thousands of good games for you to play that are cheap or free.
It is bad faith to assert that the only reasonable way to play video games is waiting 10 years for them to be on sale.
1. how is that bad faith?
2. Your post is in bad faith as you put words in my mouth like "wait 10 years" when the time frames I used were 1 year and 5 years.
>Y-YOU SAID 10 YEARS, I ACTUALLY SAID 5 YEARS SO I WIN
Zoom zoom.
sad....
>back to his Facebook-approved "trolling" methods
Zoooooooooooooom.
I guess I don't understand, what is it you want, is it just to argue and insult someone who will reply to you? because that just seems pretty sad.
nta but I want you to have a nice day because you are a retarded nagger drone and the reason companies can get away with releasing sub par products, because brain dead nagger retards like you will excuse it by saying you can just wait for a sale or dlc or a fucking day 1 30gb patch to fix game breaking bugs that should never have made it off the development floor.
you can cry and say it's the consumer's fault all you want but that doesn't change the simple fact that you are a disgusting israelite apologist that should have been aborted and your family should face criminal charges for failing to kill you in your crib and stop you from becoming the cancerous piece of shit that you are today
Jesus, take your blood pressure pills before you have a stroke, PIGmerican.
>you're the reason a company does something because of something you said on Ganker dot org
well that's flattering but I highly doubt it. They probably steer their priorities towards pleasing their paying customers, which are people who buy video games day 1.
Except in debate format you conceded 10 years previously. What does it matter if it's 1 year, or 5 years, or 10 years? Your point is still the same; and yes it's bad faith because it's unreasonable to suggest that it's even a sustainable strategy to buy games this way. If everyone literally applied your advice the video game industry would collapse and you would have ZERO new games to buy in 10 years.
in what way retard?
>paying full price for shit because they never drop the price
>piracy is fine but what good is it if you don't actually support the games you enjoy
You really should be less obvious with the trolling next time.
>third-worlder starts randomly seething about America
Fucking kek.
>there’s a lot of people who are mind bogglingly ignorant that are way too loud
I get mad when I read a post on this board that calls a game "pixelshit" lmao
>entitlement
You are literally entitled to something that's worth your money and time.
What conpany are you a fan of, Blizzard or Bethesda? Maybe CDPR?
probably a larian gay
>pay for product
>it doesn't work as advertised
>get a refund and write a complaint
>''ugh those entitled gamers"
Funny how you only see this type of reaction in the film and videogame industry.
No, fuck off back to your hugbox.
>It's not fun
>It won't run on my system
>It's not worth the money to me
All the weapons I need in my arsenal.
You can overstate a problem, for example
>Every. Single. FUCKING. Stage. Has five 1-Ups, BUT THIS ONE ONLY HAS FOUR?
That's obviously silly, but I don't think there's ever anything wrong with pointing out a shortcoming. If something's 99% perfect, people deserve to know what the missing 1% is. It doesn't matter that the game met your enjoyment threshold or whatever, if there's a flaw, say it - for posterity's sake.
Not vidya, but I recently rewatched The Thing and I was caught off guard by how stiff and quiet the actors were in some scenes. I love that film and recommend it to people, but I can totally see why critucs panned it when it came out. There's several scenes where people just kinda' stand around, saying nothing, when you'd think they'd at least have some kind of reaction.
no, being critical is good.
if your positive feelings towards something can be ruined by someone criticizing it then those feelings weren't worth having in the first place.
If they're acting in good faith, then for the most part, no. But even acting in good faith, some people can't differentiate between "this game is good but not my kind of game" and "this game robbed a sperm bank and drowned my entire family in cum". But you can always be as critical as you want about game companies.
>Is there such a thing as being too critical toward a [product]
KEK
/v/‘s soulsbase is in a weird spot. It’s very critical, I can’t say it’s in good faith 99% of the time.
There's no such thing as good faith when it comes to an argument/disagreement/debate.
There is, but only in high trust societies. If you let bad actors into these sorts of circles, they'll just ruin debate with their bad tastes and bad faith. It doesn't help that these sorts of people intentionally set out to do just that.
Yeah anon because everyone argues with ulterior motives like you. What you said is only indicative of the type of scum bag you are. Bad faith means lying, you are actually capable of debating without lying at all.
How naive to ignore an flaw that is present in all humanity.
Believe it or not you can go through life without lying.
Prove it.
It's not productive to debate a liar.
If that was true we wouldn't have political debates where both sides consistently lie.
You don't have to lie even if other people do.
Never said I had to. But if debating lairs is pointless why do we have political debates?
Typically you do this (publicly) so that the audience can see the other person is a liar. A one on one debate with a liar is fruitless and a waste of time.
you can't write this information out without qualifying good faith and bad faith along the lines de Beauvoir and Sartre had in mind.
People won't understand (I mean, plenty of Francophiles don't understand even after having read the original works in French, but that goes for everything in the world)
No. Games come out virtually unplayable with day 1 patches, day 1 DLC, DLC that was obviously just intentionally left out of the game just so the greedy israelite rat devs could make you pay more to continue playing the game you already paid for, etc. There is no such thing as being "too" critical when the landscape is so predatory.
You can never be too critical, but you can be wrong in your critiques.
>good faith
Most video game critics are not acting in good faith and instead are scraping the bottom of the barrel for shit to complain about because criticizing shit is more popular than celebrating the good things in games. I think Cyberpunk was when it got out of control because that game was fucking garbage at launch but now years later you still see people copy pasting arguments that have been outdated since weeks from the initial launch. Like, you can dislike the game because it's just a looter-shooter or whatever but no what you actually see is people spamming shit that's untrue like "THERE'S NO TRAFFIC."
>Assuming the person acts in good faith.
Why
There is literally no good reason to not assume 100% of people you don't know personally are just out to pick your pocket and leave you dead at the side of the road while they enjoy the spoils
There are millions of hours of recordings online of people watching other people die or be maimed and doing nothing so why would you not assume someone selling you a product to make money for themselves will do the bare minimum to grab your cash then move on?
It's not good for your mental health to think this way it also causes you to treat your fellow human beings like shit (and thus they return the favor). You are traveling the road of an isolated unhappy life.
>also causes you to treat your fellow human beings like shit
AKA reeeee gibs me your stuff/time
I do my job, I come home, and I ignore the shithole society we live in until there's another problem I have to deal with
a video game needs to have a strong first impression. Most people will play something on release. Evergreen titles aren't super common. There is a reason why Dark Souls 2 has a piss poor reputation, because it had a metric ton of issues at launch that were either patched or revised with a literal different version fromsoft shat out. I STILL criticize Dark Souls 2 because of the sheer audacity to shit out that version of the game without any real proper fixes and just a couple of crappy boo boo bandaids and worse level design
I agree with a lot of what you said but
ds1, 3 and BB all shitloads of issues at launch. BB had 1 minute long loading screens every time you died lol. Those games are all beloved. DS2 has deeper issues than just launch shit
>I mindbroke him
sad!!!!
homosexual
sad!!!!!
homosexual
Yes and no. There's obviously red flags that you can spot without playing a game, but there are way too many homosexuals out there who talk about how garbage a game is without even playing it. There's a different level of knowledge required to go from "this game doesn't look good" and "this game isn't good".
You van absolutely 100% tell from gameplay videos if you don't like a game. You should be able to, anyway. There's no functional difference between those two statements.
I disagree. Sometimes things just don't make sense until you are holding it in your hands. The only real exception to this stuff like story and visuals, but even then I would say you would have to watch a sizable chunk before having a valid opinion on it. Would you trust a journalist who watched the trailers to give a valid review score?
>I disagree
Good for you, you're wrong
homosexual, you didn't address a single point I made. You mean to tell me that you have NEVER changed your opinion on a game while you were playing it? Do you really think a review of a game can be considered valid if the reviewer didn't play the game at all?
don't give IGN any ideas.
I won't trust a journalist because they aren't going yo share my opinion. What they think doesn't matter. Only the gameplay video matters to me. I very, very much doubt I've ever missed out on my new favourite game because I've misjudged.
You're dodging the question about reviewers. I didn't ask if you could personally trust the opinions of a reviewer. I asked if a review could be considered reliable and/or valid if they didn't play the game. Hell, this applies to stuff like steam and fan reviews too.
>I very, very much doubt I've ever missed out on my new favourite game because I've misjudged
If this is true, then you simply don't play enough games. When I first played Rain World, I was really frusterated by it and didn't think highly of it. Now it's one of my favorites of all time. Trailers can be deceiving and often gameplay cannot be fully understood until you have played it for a while. I'm not telling you to buy every AAA garbage out there, but sometimes experimenting a little can end up surprising you with a good game you misjudged.
>he likes Reddit World
Opinion discarded.
Your complete and utter refusal to address any of the points I said is telling. homosexuals like tou shit up every discussion on this board because you pretend to be an expert on a game when the reality is that you never touched it.
>homosexuals like tou
ESL retard. Reddit World is garbage btw.
"T" and "Y" are next to each other on the keyboard, so it was obviously a fat finger and you know it, further proving my point that you are a homosexual that shits up any thread you enter. This board would be 100% better if bitches like you just left.
>admits he's a fatass Amerishart
Kek.
The rate at which you have derailed this conversation should be a clear sign of just how much of a fucking thread killer you are
Then why do you keep responding bitchboy
When the critiques are nitpicks being used to devalue the whole game, yeah. You just sound like a bitch. Be angry if they arent fixed in a patch or sequel, but dont base your whole opinion of the game on it.
I'm not sure what you want from me here, I don't think the opinion of someone that has played a game for 400 hoi is more valid than someone who hasn't, no, because it is of absolutely no interest to me.
I'm in my mid 30s. I've played enough to know what I do and don't like, and I've spent long enough "trying" to like games that I never would.
If a video doesn't do it for you, that's too bad, but I'm getting everything I need from it. No, I probably can't tell you if I'll think its an 8/10 or 10/10, but I can tell you if I will like it or not with 100% certainty.
I'm not talking about whether or not you are able to tell if you'll like a game. I'm talking homosexuals screeching "this game is shit!!!" without ever touching it. 90% of this board talks about games they haven't played like they are experts.
Reddit World is a big pile of shit tho.
Jesus fuck, I don't know why I even bothered. It's clear you homosexuals have no intention of actually discussing this topic. Imagine having such shit opinions you resort to shitposting like this
I think so, If you're too critical, you end up liking maybe 1 or 2 games per genre
That said I prefer that than not being critical enough and play literal hundreds and never having time for anything else
People aren't nearly critical enough
We are figuratively multiple orders of magnitude from being critical enough, even on Ganker. The video game industry has the most brainwashed corporate subservient consumers by a significant margin.
Not that bad
>Assuming the person acts in good faith.
too much of a good thing can we a bad thing. criticism is fine. nitpicking is annoying and deserves a hammer to the face.
Modern gaming is in a pathetic state specificaly becasue people aren't nearly as critical as they should