Is this a good DMG cover for D&D 5.5? Who even remembers Venger and Warduke except for old grogs?

Is this a good DMG cover for D&D 5.5? Who even remembers Venger and Warduke except for old grogs?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There has been other illustrations with old D&D-cartoon and action figure characters from the 80s, I wonder if Hasbro is misunderstanding their own franchise and think most players are fans of the 80s non-roleplaying stuff?
    Actually that would make sense, since tabletop RPGs are time-consuming social meetings with rules while cartoons and movies etc. are more easily consumable and thus make more money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If what I've overheard at the game stores in and around Renton are true, the handful of people at WotC who actually playtest theri shit fans of the 1980s non-rpg D&D content.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The most important thing he does is expose that Hasbro is so fricking moronic and desperate that they are leveraging their entire relaunch (totallynotanewedition) of D&D on nostalgia for a cartoon that wasn't even that good, nor that popular. The PHB art they showed a few weeks ago had several of the main characters from it in several pieces of art and it's fricking baffling. Frickers should just make a new cartoon, but whoops, they fired 2000 people and sold off their movie studio.

      The weird thing is that most 5e players are millennials and zoomers who only play 5e and was born long after the cartoon aired. The people who grew up with the cartoon are in their late 40s and 50s now, if they play the game they play an older edition. Most people who play 5e probably don’t even have a clue that the cartoon existed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People know the cartoon existed, but as a sort of meme. They may have seen clips or pictures or "DID YOU KNOW???" videos that point out that other party seen in the D&D movie is a reference to the cartoon... But even people who have seen it have no real, genuine fondness for it. Certainly not enough that seeing a character from it would make people go
        >NO WAY?!
        >THE BAD GUY FROM THE D&D CARTOON?
        >I GOTTA BUY 200$ WORTH OF BOOKS RIGHT NOW!!
        >WHOOOOOOOOOA!!
        >THIS BOOK HAS ART IN IT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER CHARACTERS FROM THE D&D CARTOON!!
        >I GOTTA GO POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THIS SO EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS THEY SHOULD BUY THESE BOOKS TOO!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But even people who have seen it have no real, genuine fondness for it.
          In Baldur's Gate II they joked that the whole group had been eaten by Tiamat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >akshually
            The text says "swallowed", not eaten, which is an allusion to the fact that the roller-coaster ride ends with the coaster going into Tiamat's mouth (and taking the kids to another world). If the kids are in a fantasy world and are swallowed by Tiamat, perhaps that implies they returned home, which is what BGII was implying as that time the cartoon was unfinished and their fate was in limbo.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Huh.
              That's actually more nuanced than I thought.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Huh.
              That's actually more nuanced than I thought.

              Or maybe it's about vore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, he is a dungeon master so it only would make sense that he is a massive degenerate as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >vored into his magical realm
                It all makes sense now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Now, children, you have to face Tiamat, the mighty Queen of Evil Dragons, with her five drooling, gaping, yawning maws! Beware, she has a special ability to swallow you whole if you fail your saving throw, oh ho ho~!"
                "Also beware my son Venger; he has gone full newbie phoneposter who calls me a degenerated boomer while also complaining about 5th edition even if that is the only thing he ever plays and shits /tg/ with his low-quality bait threads."

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, he is a dungeon master so it only would make sense that he is a massive degenerate as well.

                Too right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that drawn by fricking Gabe from PA?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, that's Jab and Laz. Da'Younguns & Dragon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Coulda fooled me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The people who grew up with the cartoon are in their late 40s and 50s now
        Early 40s

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The cartoon is 41 years old anon. If you watched it when you where 8 years old back when it originally aired you’re pushing 50.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You could easily have watched it when you were like, 5. Plus years of reruns.
            Also, I know it probably aired in my country at least a couple years later. D&D is a worldwide market thing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If what I've overheard at the game stores in and around Renton are true, the handful of people at WotC who actually playtest theri shit fans of the 1980s non-rpg D&D content.

      It's way, way fricking easier
      >People who grew up watching it are now designing for the game
      That's literally it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds unlikely, if you look at the books which first started bringing in these characters.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I stopped playing 5e some time ago - what's the current situation with 5.5 or D&Done or whatever it's called?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it has an open license, more open than 3rd edition was. you can take the basic rules and slap it into a new game system and sell it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, israelites of the Coast really back-pedalled that hard?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, the colors look super weird and not very pretty. Original fifth edition core rulebooks were mostly one color; orange for PHB, blue for MM, purple for dmg. Same with 3.5. Here the colors are all over the place and it looks ugly. The art also looks blurry but that might just be the file quality. I also don’t see anything particularly evocative of a “dungeon master’s guide” though that can be hard to quantify. A monster manual is easy because you can just make the book look like a monster like in 3e, but Dungeon master is harder. I like 3e’s depiction of the mechanical globe on the DMG but I don’t know how that would fit with the other D&Done covers. 5e had Acerack and a bunch of unremarkable minions which I suppose fits the idea of a DM controlling the NPCs but this cover has colorful lieutenants who draw their own attention.
    >Who even remembers Venger and Warduke except for old grogs?
    Not many people I imagine. I watched a couple episodes of the show and it’s rather silly. Not sure how it fits with the brand image hasbro wants.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, I hate the partially realistic corporate style adopted by wotc nowadays and this still replicated that shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks better than the chicken scratch in pre-3e books.
      >inb4 MUH SOUL
      Meaningless buzzword, actually describe what you mean instead of saying a meaningless buzzword to describe things you like/dislike.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll take any time some earnest and naive chicken scratch over the nth sterile winkwink-so-80s regurgitation corposlop. This shit is soulless because doesn't have an inch of creativity in it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >earnest and naive chicken scratch
          Bad art is bad art, and anything from Gygaxian D&D is bad art.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, if the pick is between honest bad art and creative bankrupt "professional art" i'll take the first any time, at least the first can give me a chuckle out of sympathy at worst and be memorable at best, conversely the second would be painfully transparent at worst (you can feel the suit dictating the checklists to fill) and bland at best.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're a moron who lets ideology dictate their views on quality. Good art is good art, bad art is bad art, if I have to choose between shitty scribbles that a 5 year old made and high quality art I will choose the latter every time. Merit is the only thing that matters, and thus in a comparison of quality the higher quality art wins out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh ideology
                The last resource of the disingenuous, when you have nothing to reply with there comes the convenient little box where to put the person and archive the whole argument, what part of my post channelled (any) ideology you projecting prick? I double dare you to quote the specific parts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are being the literal homosexual that you accuse him of being. Everyone here knows exactly what he means yet you're being purposefully obtuse for the sake of contrarianism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3e was really the peak of d&d, both aesthetically and mechanically

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nerds who pretend to love an "obscure" thing for clout, the same people who keep talking about how much they love Spelljammer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it is a very vapid case of nostalgia signalling for "geek cred."

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >good
    >D&D
    Pick one and only one.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a huge fan of the way they handled colors on the front cover. Ice blue lower half with a bright pink upper half and a random orange sword don't mesh together very well. The back cover is nice though and actually feels cohesive.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the 50th anniversary, they should've done updates of the classic ad&d covers. It's a fricking no brainer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the OD&D covers, yes?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AD&D1E, the covers are more well known outside of the OSR community that Hasbro loathes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't they be frightened of dealing with satanic panic over it?

          I'm really biased but I'd stick with basic 2e style.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            2e is best art, I'll give you that. Exactly which religious community has the clout to get up in their shit over "satanic panic" in 2024?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think it's more Hasbro that would avoid that association. They pander to everyone but the players.

              Sure, it's nice to see these familiar faces, but I doubt that will reflect in the content.

              Yall do know that Warduke and Venger have literally been in a bunch of 5e adventures lately right?

              I thought I saw the Warduke because I pirated Witchlight for some of the content. Where's Venger been?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The people who pushed the Satanic was almost 40 years ago. Anyone who lived through it hated it, and today's moral crusade is against drawing pretty girls and making good content.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. I know that'd be more "technically" right, but the original ad&d 1e covers are the most iconic. Even the reprint covers are pretty boss, truth be told.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't, the guy on the horse is traced from a Dr strange comic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lol, you're right. Plus Eldritch Wizardry had a naked chick on an altar, which really wouldn't fly with today's redditor/twatter crowd.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think it's even more the part about her being a human sacrifice or other implications.

            The bar hasn't been high from the start.

            As usual, 2e had decent covers for the DMG

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is this for? Who has WotC not completely alienated at this point?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Redditors who want upboats for their unboxing videos?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even Redditors have turned on them after the OGL fiasco.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing will ever beat 3/3.5e's "looks like an actual in-world tome of lore" look.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Warduke is such an awesome character and that art is such dogshit.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >warduke
    We're so back

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the problem with that art imo is that if you look closer it looks like unfinished garbage with no detail

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's because Hasbro is hemorrhaging money and will only pay for freelancers, and freelancers want to put in the least amount of time for the project to be accept so they can move on to the next commission. If they had salaried artists on staff given reasonable time tables and a coherent design goal then we'd get something worth looking at.

      Once again, capitalism is shit for industry. There is no such thing as infinite profit growth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Capitalism is competence in the marketplace of ideas. If you pay for the worst artist to save money knowing your fanbase will buy any turd you print that's not capitalism

        Also I don't think socialialism (everybody gets the same salary independently of qualifications or effort) will do much better

        And three, this is not the place for stupid political diatribe like that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's not capitalism if it's bad
          Same shit as "real communism has never been tried".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Greed and scams are not capitalism, comunism also has that shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, but cutting corners to make the biggest profit possible is, in fact, capitalism. Capitalism is defined by private ownership being used to generate profit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not the same. People who talk about "real communism" are describing left-leaning liberal democracies (whether they know it or not) and those just happen to have the highest standards of living in human history. It's radicalized post-capitalist shitholes which have a low standard of living.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >it's not capitalism if it's bad
              Same shit as "real communism has never been tried".

              Almost right.
              Marx, the creator of the concept, postulated in his own work that 'Communism' was a theoretical concept, as it has never been done according to his precepts in human history.
              Every nation that has attempted 'Communist' was actually either an autocracy, plutocracy, or oligarchy, and most nations never had a chance to get anywhere without being disrupted by outside forces.
              >To wit, Marx did declare that for 'Communism' to work, the entire WORLD needed to fall in to step behind it, not individual nation states or territories
              >that is why non-Communist nations were so afraid of it; by it's very nature, it must be expansive, or it will fail

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've seen people blame capitalism for things the Federal government was 100% in control of. Words like Capitalism and Fascism have lost all meaning.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy a fricking ad you worthless shill subhuman.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wasn't warduke in the 5e feywild adventure?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The World's Greatest Roleplaying Game
    Based

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MY FARTS ARE BETTER THAN FREE LEAGUE’S FARTS

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait Venger’s gonna be on the cover?

    Fricking awesome.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the hell does Venger even do apart from twirling his moustache, err, I mean his horn?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fights Tiamat for power or something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The most important thing he does is expose that Hasbro is so fricking moronic and desperate that they are leveraging their entire relaunch (totallynotanewedition) of D&D on nostalgia for a cartoon that wasn't even that good, nor that popular. The PHB art they showed a few weeks ago had several of the main characters from it in several pieces of art and it's fricking baffling. Frickers should just make a new cartoon, but whoops, they fired 2000 people and sold off their movie studio.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guess your generation, which they were trying to market to before, wasn't as profitable as they expected huh

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're a fricking moron if you think art from "gygaxian dnd" is all "naive chicken scrawl". Moreso if you believe that encompasses everything pre 3rd edition

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate that moronic cartoon

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yall do know that Warduke and Venger have literally been in a bunch of 5e adventures lately right?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pink and blue
    >Troon colors
    This shit is everywhere

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ugly as 12 fricks. I hate it. I think they make the standard books ugly so people will buy the expensive collector editions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The collector's editions look even uglier.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related is a good cover for any D&D.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea who these people are but the witch and the helmetguy look cool. The guy in red however looks stupid.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Higher resolution: https://www.enworld.org/attachments/1716948745984-png.365301/

    Still looks unfinished and blurry, like a painting undersketch. Jacobsen has done better work and needs to detail this out and finish it. Pretty sad compared to old masters like Caldwell, Parkinson, Easley, or Elmore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This has a nice composition but the quality is on the same level as something a digital concept artist would sketch out in 30 minutes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      90% is unfinished, what the frick?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is the Mirror reporting on D&D?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WotC is paying for puff piece articles and PR hype all over the place and/or many news outlets are so desperate to appear in-touch with pop culture that they are jumping on the chance to hype up the new D&D material.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uninteresting but not that bad. Better than the earlier one IMO, same with the players handbook.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey, Dm covers have been worse.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bar hasn't been high from the start.

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