It doesn't make sense
Why copy and paste instead of just yknow
A brain transplant?
It doesn't make sense. Why copy and paste instead of just yknow. A brain transplant?
It doesn't make sense
Why copy and paste instead of just yknow
A brain transplant?
cuz that's too hard
but catherine did it when simon plugged her into the door opener from the broken robot
no that was a copy, the Cathrine inside the robot is dead now
but she wasn't in the robot, she was in the cortex chip
so is simon
the cortex chip is just a tool for making copies, the reality of the situation is that they are all soulless simulations and the ark is completely pointless
>soulless
idk they seem pretty self aware
>soulless
Okay, the real non-retarded reason the ark is pointless is because it is only temporary. The circuits keeping it running will eventually degrade from radiation, or its orbit will decay and it will fall into the sun, or the minds in the ark will grow tired of their immortality. There is nothing the minds inside the ark can do to influence the outside world so they can never return humanity to earth or repopulate, and its questionable if they'd even be able to reproduce inside the ark itself outside of some half assed brain copy/merge/clone system. Humanity is doomed to extinction even if the ark is launched successfully. Ironically only the WAU is capable of returning humanity, at least some part of it, to the earth.
retard, they know that, and explicitly state that the plan is to just enjoy heaven for a thousand years or however long it takes for the satellite to break down (which in the vacuum of deep space takes a fairly long while).
the first anon is right, the reason why it's all pointless is that nothing on the ark is alive or can actually experience or feel anything, it's just data and computer algorithms n shit designed to replicate how people would think and feel, but that doesn't actually make it feel anything or become alive in any meaningful way.
Technically, since there is no being inside the ark that can have the experience of being in it, and no known being that could know about its existence, it's basically already kaput. Though, to fantasize a little about it, couldn't the programs in the ark be programmed in such a way that during those thousands of years it'd take for it to collapse, based on our counting of time, they could prolong that time into eternity? Then again, who cares anyway? All that happens in this game and whatever philosophical questions it asks is wholly speculative...
>become alive in any meaningful way
bio-cope
>they could prolong that time into eternity?
you can just speed up the simulation, which would consume more electricity so even then you do have a limit
but Catherine isn't a brain, she's a computer program
no retard thats where it resided she just ejected the "tape"
transplant into what? a computer chip? a headless corpse?
>transplant into what?
Transplant into the Ark.
Remove the hardware in your head with your brain installed and insert it into the ark, simple as that game solved and happy ending. Why copy paste it when you can just read the information by plug it in? Are they retarded?
>ohh no, they didn't have the technology
They had the technology to scan the brain and to install it into a robot, it's the same.
Alright, let's say this is even possible to do. Simon removes the cortex chip to insert it into the ark. His now lifeless body with nothing to control it falls limp, drops the chip, and collapses onto the ground in a heap. Good job genius.
Just asks the goo monster for assistance
Of course there would be another machine to do this for you.
>Remove the hardware in your head with your brain installed and insert it into the ark
Simon and Catherine were already copies of copies of copies, their existences are meaningless.
Well it's similar to a video upload. You won't lose to original data when uploading to somewhere else and Catherine isn't the type of person who really cares about what she leaves behind.
>Transplant into the Ark.
>all brains die within the next 10 years
>ark is dead
>humanity is dead
wow, that was fun
meh
humanity is overrated anyways
the point is that it would make the ark pointless
the ark project was never meant to save humanity
i think it was just a last resort cope from the pathos 2 crew after their incompetence ruined every other chance of actually preserving humanity
>the ark project was never meant to save humanity
I never suggested that it was.
Arguably, it can be seen as the "don't forget us" of humanity. Putting simulated people in there would at least put something of humanity out there until it's hit by some celestial body or drops down on one.
>Arguably, it can be seen as the "don't forget us" of humanity
Assuming there's anyone to remember. Honestly, encountering a highly advanced species willing to pull you out and make you rejoin the physical world, like in that one TNG episode where they find the frozen business man and pals, is humanity's best bet at that point.
Are you responding to my post or to your own assumptions?
It doesn't matter if anyone actually finds the ark or does anything with it. The point of the ark, in this interpretation at least, is just to put something out there, to not have to admit ultimate defeat, to keep the illusion of purpose living on. The people who created and joined it were all desperate. They likely didn't make any plans about actually being found, they just wanted to do anything.
>just a last resort cope from the pathos 2 crew after their incompetence ruined every other chance of actually preserving humanity
Pathos 2 was never meant to preserve humanity, they were just a geothermal power plant crew at the bottom of the sea who happened to survive the apocalypse. They were a few dozen people trapped at the bottom of the ocean, they never had a chance to save the world or humanity anyway because they only have extremely limited food (hence why the people at the last couple stations all starved to death except that one chick on life support) so they can't even make kids or anything.
Sure, the WAU was there, but it doesn't have a proper concept of human life so all it can do is put non-sentient AIs in corpses and pretend its alive, like Simon
the ark is already pointless. the people inside will quickly go insane because the devs barely added any content inside it.
The ark is already pointless. There is absolutely no purpose it could ever serve, it's just humanity spitefully clinging to a facsimile of life and refusing to go out quietly.
by humanity you mean a bunch of mentally ill scientists?
Does your soul transfer to the copy or is it a coinflip?
The soul doesn't exist, Sarang was a coping retard that convinced others to kill themselves
That's not what the bible says
and this is why youll be one of the retards dying in a church praying for salvation during a extinction event instead of roaming some spooky sea facility trying to launch some computer programs to space because thats the only goal you have to keep going. You also wont get an advanced goop AI who will try to make you better in the most fucked up literal ways possible and in the future become the best waifu you could ask for.
The "coinflip" is a lie, just like there's no 'coinflip' when you Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V a file.
From the copy's perspective, they got transferred into a new location. But the reality is that the original gets fucked.
>copy paste = coin flip
>cut paste = always win
why is this game so stupid?
There is no coin flip you absolute fucking retard.
it's a shitty meme
play along
playing along with bad memes just makes everyone retarded and encourages actual retards to make their home here
there's plenty to go around
yeah because people kept playing along with bad memes for decades
just humor the retards a bit so that soma threads don't die instantly
no, it just makes this website worse
there was a soma thread the other day were we actually talked about it without resorting to acting like morons
link to thread?
humoring a coin flip retard can't be worse than letting the thread die so that another one of these replaces it instead
There are people who unironically believe there's a coin flip, so no. You're only encouraging retardation.
It's not a cope, it's literally a lie told to Simon to make him cooperate, nothing more. It didn't take me any time to realize this because I'm not a brain damaged retard.
>there's a coin flip
there is for Simon
Yes it's a cope, took you long to realize?
Cut and paste works IRL by copying data and deleting the original data. It's all pointers all the way down.
In this scenario it would be Simon copying himself and then killing himself.
>Cut and paste works IRL by copying data and deleting the original data.
if this were true then cutting and pasting would be slower than a copypaste
How do you move data then retard? You can't physically move it, the pointer simply changes.
i'm not a computer scientist, i wouldn't know for sure
but my guess it just moves the existing bits of information to another place in the drive
>existing bits of information to another place in the drive
Yes, and how does that happen? The file system just updates the pointers in the file table to reflect the new location of the data, it doesn't actually move.
Cut and paste is just copy paste with the original address removed.
wouldn't that technically mean changing a single bit of the original data creates a new entity
So is copy-pasting. The only way to truly cut and paste a brain scan in Soma is to physically move the chip from one place to another. It goes without saying that this is impossible, given the circumstances.
POST THIS ON EVERY SOMA THREAD
>Simon blaming Catherine for losing the coin toss.jpg
I love this comic but I think my favorite part is that they're in this ultra futuristic setting but they're using a knife of all thing to off him
Are you the memories/storage in your brain or the parts that read the storage?
In most cases, programs are read into RAM before they can be run.
What brain
Why not just make a symlink to your original brain instead of copypasting?
Fuck you Catherine, I'll just shove a WAU tentacle up my ass and become immortal. Before that I'll copy myself to four or five other bodies so we can play D&D in perpetuity.
>"Let's have a Soma thread. I really like the underwater horror environments and existenti-"
COIN FLIP!
>"That was just a--"
COIN FLIP!
>"There is no-"
COIN FLIP!
>"Simon's a reta-"
COOOOOOOIN FLIP!
blame the shit ending
The brain will eventually decay and die
Pathos-2 is such a cool facility
Wish there was a mode where you could freely walk around it before SHTF and the facility became completely run down
Why can't people just get over that the SOMA protagonist is literally a brain damaged dumbass that couldn't wrap his head around mental copies of himself running around?
Because there's this underlying, and usually true, notion that information presented in a game isn't lying to you. Because there has to be a degree of unconditional trust for the medium to function at all. So the idea that something the game tells you, and the protagonist believes, is just outright wrong is hard to accept. It's much easier to believe that another character was wrong than the protagonist/the player.
>Anon cutting brain out of person's head and trying to stuff it into a USB port
What are some other SOMA-core games? Mostly the sort of games that give similar feelings of loneliness and disassociation.
I played Silent Hill 2 already, the only other game that gave me similar feelings was Signalis
no other game like it
soma is a literal one of a kind
Amnesia 1.
amnesia is completely different to soma
amnesia's your standard run of the mill horror game while they snorted down half the planet's crack supply to come up with soma
Amnesia is just a glorified walking sim+hide until the monster despawns/run through an obstacle course game, it might be considered "revolutionary" when it came out but everyone's back to resource management survival horror nowadays.
How is that different to Soma
That's the thing, they're both the same barring the pretentious ass story that Soma has over it.
How is it pretentious?
"zomg we can copy your brain/soul into a robot body/computer where you can live in some wank off virtual world!!!"
"wait i dont get it, what do you mean by copying, why can't you just transfer the current me"
"umm ok its a coin flip whether you get transferred ok"
*gets copied*
"wait what, why is there two of me????? i thought its supposed to be a transfer!!"
"yeah umm i lied"
And the worst part is that more than half of the Pathos facility crew literally killed themselves over this point as well, it's hard to take seriously by then.
What is pretentious about that? It's a basic sci fi story?
Do you know what the word pretentious means?
You are making fun of concepts and events you don't actually understand.
everything must seem pretentious when you are this retarded
What is pretentious about it though? Just summarizing the plot in a disingenious way doesn't explain how it's pretentious
In which way is Soma's story pretentious, it doesn't pretend to be some grand thing, it's really a pretty small, personal struggle for one dude making a purpose for himself out of an existence he didn't ask to be dropped into.
nobody ever praised soma for its stellar gameplay if that's what you're referring
Because Soma and Amnesia were compared to eachother with the former being said it was different
Amnesia 1s story is hardly run of the mill. It's as good as Somas.
Nier Gestalt/Replicant
The Desolate Hope
Death Stranding
Baroque
If you keep replacing your brain with electronics wouldn’t it be a Ship of Theseus situation. Would it even be you anymore after a certain point?
Depends on what you consider to be "you". The contents, or the medium?
>literally steals the concept of this and gets away with it
the "concept" is a philosophical question that has been debated for hundreds of years at this point
every robo/cyborg media thats worth a damn has these concepts present. even astro boy and thats from the 50s
I want to be a robot, I don't care if I'm structure goo or half a dead person.
YWNBAR
You are stuck in your old shitty body
but it wont be you
it will be a perfect imitator of you but its still not you
In the way soma does it that's true, but i don't think i would mind making a copy of myself so he can be a robot.
I'm literally crying.
My flesh is weak i crave the strength and certainty of steel.
I liked the game
Thank you for listening
The true horror of SOMA was finishing it and then looking up discussions online about it and finding out Simon is a pretty average intellect.
Why wouldn't he be? He's a book store clerk with brain damage, he never had to be he was just a normal dude that happened to have a brain scan saved.
In Simon's defense, in his situation it's very easy to just outright refuse to accept that you're doomed to wander this underwater hellscape in total isolation no matter what, while some asshole copy of yourself gets to live it up in virtual and actual space. It's much easier to delude yourself into thinking you're gonna make it somehow. And it's not like he's the first to do so in the game, so we really get to see how everyone else arrived at the same conclusion.
From simon's perspective he literally went from normal toronto life to suddenly in a broken down facility in the future (during arguably the most interesting part of the game).
When I first played I thought (based on the beginning obviously it wasn't long before i realized that wasn't the schtick they were going for) it was going to be all in his head like the brain scanner put him in some sor tof fucked up coma and his brain has him basically in permanent lucid nightmare mode.
In the end it's all just a coin flip. The coin flipped onto brain scan instead of brain transplant.
It isn't a coin flip though. It is explained, repeatedly, how it works and that it is copy and paste. She lies to Simon to get him to feel better about it.
Why don't they network the replicated consciousness into one
catherine said something about simon 2 being basically asleep for a week, she probably wanted to jsut get going.
if such a thing is even possible, i mean data doesn't really "move" through a wire like water through a tube, it's not the same material on the other end. One computer reads the information to be sent, taps out that information like someone transcribing a book, then the computer on the other end reads that and transcribes it to their database.
What two simon bots could do, even if they're two different consciousnesses, is every so often merge their memory libraries so that each consciousness has the same data to run off of so they stay the same "person".
Technically our two brain halves do this, they have a link between them were they constantly share information and so act as one but if you cut that link they start differentiating.
>Technically our two brain halves do this, they have a link between them were they constantly share information and so act as one but if you cut that link they start differentiating.
Didn't they use to "treat" schizophrenia by cutting those connections?
Not schizophrenia, but childhood seizures.
I think they still do in some cases, but they've only ever done split brain surgery on cases where like, the patient couldn't live with the seizures otherwise.
Soma VR when
Sadly its next to impossible unless they open sourced it. But Arx Fatalis is open source and nobody will VR port it...
Is it impossible? Someone ported Amnesia to VR https://www.moddb.com/mods/sclerosis-an-amnesia-vr-remake
>1:1 recreation of the entire game on the Unity engine, making Amnesia VR possible;
That's not the usual VR hackjob, its an autistic amount of work. Good thing Amnesia is so simplistic but I think SOMA is much more complex on nearly ever metric.
Did somebody say "coin flip"?
its uploaded intelligence that works better in hostile environments because everything is tech
So, if you were in Simon's shoes (minus brain injury), would you participate in the brain scan experiment, knowing what it gets used for? I like the idea of copies of me continuing to exist after I die, even if I know that none of them are really *me*, but on the other hand it sounds like a lot of these copies had pretty short and uncomfortable lives, even before the events of the game.
No. The last thing I would do is have soulless corporations get a thinking feeling copy of myself they can do with what they want to.
i would because i know that "I" would like to experience that regardless.
nah, because i already hate myself enough, making more of me would just make the world a shittier place
a brain transplant is still "death" since you'd need to turn off the brain to remove it in the first place
not that it matters since consciousness is not even a real thing
p-zombie over here
>self reflection so low he doesn't notice how sloppy his brain actually is
yikes
What's wrong? You said you don't have consciousness, I am agreeing with you.
I couldn't imagine someone who actually has a consciousness like me legitimately denying they have one. So the only reasonable conclusion is that anybody who says they don't have a consciousness, really doesn't have a consciousness.
That's what a p-zombie is.
>who actually has a consciousness like me
Like you would even know what a consciousness is, p-zombie.
See that's how you know the difference between a p-zombie and someone with consciousness, someone with consciousness wouldn't even think twice as to whether or not they're conscious. Since you don't have a consciousness you experience no more than a tree or an inanimate object. You may react as if you're real but there's really nothing there.
Anyways now that you've revealed what you are there's no more point arguing with you than there is arguing with a chatbot except maybe to influence it to be less annoying, like reprogramming a toy. You said it yourself, you don't exist, there's no actual consciousness perceiving your experiences..
lol u mad
I mean I get it, you probably noticed you're conscious of about 5% of anything that is happening in your own brain at the moment, even while reading this sentence 95% of whatever the fuck you're processing goes beyond you
godspeed cope-anon
>you probably noticed you're conscious
Oh so suddenly consciousness CAN exist for you, but only a tiny little bit, right?
God i need to stop arguing with the retards and teenagers on this site, it always starts fun but gets boring really fast.
>drywood is wet because it contains 5% water
ayyyyy
Begone chatbot.
You will never have what I have, and I know it won't matter to you because you don't have a consciousness anyways.
>That's what a p-zombie is.
It really isn't
That is quiet literally what it is, a person that acts like a person but doesn't have a consciousness.
Wait so this happen in the movie chappie aswell there was no conscious transplant but only a copy and paste?
What is a person?
>ctrl + f cointoss
everytime