It's fucking insane to me that Metroid is viewed on the same level as other grandfather IPs just because they had one decent game decades ago. Then again I guess other IPs have been popular for even less.
It's fucking insane to me that Metroid is viewed on the same level as other grandfather IPs just because they had one decent game decades ago.
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nobody except metroid fans views it like this, it's actually pretty niche
mad
Then why aren't they called Castletroids?
>they had one decent game decades ago
They had three
>one decent game
So, you haven't played the Metroid series then?
>Been around since the NES days, series turns 37 this year
>Has two games that are widely considered to be among the best ever made across two different genres
>Main character is a video game icon beloved to this day
>All but one of the main instalments and several of the remakes/spin-offs have sold at least a million units each
>Inspired and named its own popular subgenre
I dunno man, seems like everything checks out
>Has two games that are widely considered to be among the best ever made across two different genres
I often think how every FPS is grouped under the same umbrella at times and how Metroid Prime is unlike nearly any other shooter. Just like how indie devs make Warioland-likes and Zelda 2-likes I'm sure that if people were to make a fps like Prime it would be known as a Prime-like.
>I'm sure that if people were to make a fps like Prime it would be known as a Prime-like.
Surely there must be some out there already, right?
If there are any more prime shooters then they've escaped my radar for all my childhood.
>Inspired and named its own popular subgenre
Castlevania?
Symphony of the Night hadn't come out yet
Dumb little gay
OP is a gay
related to the thread, should I play super metroid, fusion, or prime 2 next?
Which ones have you already played?
dread, prime, zero mission, and samus returns.
I will get to fusion eventually and it gets high praise. I guess I SHOULD do super next as others are saying.
Super it is. Thanks frens.
When you do get to Fusion, don’t go into it expecting it to be like other Metroid games. It’s a bit different. Although maybe you’re aware of that.
fusion, to this day my favourite game.
Fusion is my personal favorite, but Super is all around solid and the precursor to that storywise so I would recommend it first if you have never played.
Play in order, Super Metroid, then Fusion, then Prime 2
Super, or do a 1% Fusion run
assuming you already played prime
play prime 2.
super will just feel like prime but 2d.
Yes
If you've already played Prime, just play through 2 and 3 next; they're different enough it doesn't get old and they're all good. Other than that, I recommend playing Super before Fusion, because going from Fusion's controls to Super's would likely be a very rough transition to make.
Zoomer says what?
Super Metroid is mediocre as fuck
Based the only thing that makes it playable in 2023 is redux hack with gba gravity.
gay.
no he's right. why is super metroid's air speed so fucking fast
Metroid as an IP isn't viewed on the same level as other grandfather IPs.
Super Metroid as a game is viewed on the same level as other grandfather video games.
There's a huge difference.
I like metroid far more than mario.
I arguably like metroid more than zelda.
They are generally better games.
Mass market appeal does not make greatness.
Deal with it.
Wait until you hear about the Half-Life and Sonic franchises, zoom zoom.
I've been trying to get into the Metroid Prime remaster, I haven't played any of them in ages.
Holy shit... This game is BAD.
have a (you)
hothead out
Counterpoint: The game is GOOD.
the only bad part is having to trek through magmoor every time you want to go to phendrana
Prime Remaster was my first time playing the Prime games and I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would, it's easy to see why people speak so highly about it. Really got me hyped for Prime 4.
Same dude, I enjoyed every minute of that game, save for the Phazon Mines, but that was completely on me because I hadn't needed to use dodge for any other area so I had to actually learn how to play for that area.
Fusion was less annoying, prettier and had a more interesting plot than Super Metroid. How is it not better?
>more interesting plot than Super Metroid
You mean better than nothing at all?
Well, yes.
>prettier
Fusion looks fine, but no way.
It is mildly less annoying. You are wrong on every other account
It's just not as expansive.
I've always hated that Metroid was predominantly a handheld franchise cause every 2D Metroid on a gameboy makes every area and room feel cramped.
In most regards I would say that Fusion is the superior game, but unfortunately the level design has been so aggressively streamlined that it really hurts it in comparison to Super. If the linearity doesn't bother you, you'll probably enjoy it more than the other Metroid games, though. IMO, Dread really nails the sweet spot between Super's complex layouts and Fusion's more purposeful level design.
Almost every Metroid game is good though. Other M and Federation Force are the only bad games. Cant say the same for Zelda or Mario. Zelda 2, SS, ST, PH are all bad at the very least but you could say TP as well as maybe a few others. Mario has so many bad games I cant even name them.
They've had multiple great games, although I'd say there are some stinkers too.
>Great
Super, Prime 1, Prime 2, Zero Mission
>Good
Dread, Fusion
>alright/average
2 Remake, Prime 3
>Old/dated
1, 2
>shit
Other M, Federation Force, Prime Hunters
I think most would agree with this, although I personally would put Dread up there with Super Metroid. Sure the music and some aspects of the level design were a bit less interesting, but In think the fantastic controls and boss fights more than make up for that. Also I actually think Prime Hunters is pretty damned impressive for what it is; it just suffers from being a DS game. It's a real shame they made Federation Force for the 3DS instead of Hunters 2.
I played this first, as a kid in the 90's. I understood that the music was meant to emulate the background noise of creatures and things in a subterranean cave. I loved how it intensified as you got further in, and I loved the exploration. This game has been one of the most memorable experiences of my life.
It's a pity most of the following games rarely feel as this one, sadly both the remakes completely miss the atmosphere of the original.
People calling it outdated are not wrong by a technical pov but it's still worth to experience for me.
Couldn't it be said the atmosphere was more attributed to the of limitations of hardware color scheme wise more than anything else?
Everyone who thinks Metroid 2 has some kind of unmatched atmosphere needs some serious reality checks or to replay the game because you spend most of it listening to this shit.
you simply lack the imagination to allow the sounds do what they were meant to do.
What are they meant to do? I can accept the cave themes being random diegetic but you can't convince me the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse ass chiptune of the Chozo temples is meant to be anything but shitty music.
my bad, i assumed you post one of the cave tracks. Yeah the chozo ruins music isnt that great. it has a feel of confusion and just meanders, its like a wrecked song for wrecked ruins i guess
The original track is pretty bad but I really liked the SR remix
worth comparing
Kino.
i played it for the first time in the months prior to dread's release, it's my favorite game of the series and maybe in my top 10 of all time
horror games are typically nothing that matches my personality in a way to get anything out of them, metroid 2 actually functioned to get my on-edge nerves up
>metroid 2 actually functioned to get my on-edge nerves up
yeah, it did that for me too. Samus' huge sprite plays a part in that i think, you feel kinda claustrophobic during metroid encounters. sad the remakes didnt retain any of what made metroid 2 what it is
Can you refute my taste Ganker?
>fusion: A
i find this list unacceptable
Yeah you're right, it should be S as well.
with the S standing for SHIT
Sorry about your opinion you got from Ganker or a youtuber, anon.
Should be c
Other M is a better game than Metroid 1.
0/10 bait
The original Metroid is a dumpster fire of a game. It looks like shit, runs like shit, the whole map is a handful of screens recycled over and over. The final build had to be developed in 3 months to hit its deadline. It's awful beyond words.
close.
prime 2 gets an S+
original is better than 2 so maybe move it to b.
i actually PERSONALLY like it more than zero mission but i accept how you dumb fucks would like it more than the NES game.
for me its like
S: prime, prime2, super
A: nes original, am2r, dread
B: pinball, fusion, metroid 2, samus returns
C: prime 3, hunters
F: other N
F- federation farce
F-- ruined the series with coomerbait tier: zero mission 😉
>other M above anything
not playing something is still better than playing other M
It's above 'didn't play' you illiterate esl retard
yeah it should be below them anyway because you still know they're better
>Hunters in C tier
Considering that game likely ruined the shoulder button on my DSi, I have to agree
Finally a solid list
Honestly Metroid 1 is better than Mario 1 and Zelda 1
Not sure I'd say that, but I think overall 2D Metroid is better 2D Zelda or Mario.
Super Metroid > ALttP > SMW
Fusion/Dread/Zero Mission > LA/LBW/Oracles/MS > Mario Advance games etc.
3D is a bit more tricky.
Didn't mean for that last quote
do you think dark samus remembers being metroid prime
Super Metroid is my 2nd favorite game of all time. It is a master class in game design. I’m constantly impressed by how much it does with such simplicity.
Prime 1 & 2 are great but not on the same level.
The rest of the series can be put in the trash for all I care.
At least play Zero Mission before saying that.
I don't think telling somebody who only liked Super Metroid to play the game that basically feels like a slightly weaker Super Metroid is going to do much to change his mind
>The rest of the series can be put in the trash for all I care.
Why would you say this about games that have a lot in common with your second favorite game of all time?
At worst, they'll just be good games for you if you actually play them.
>Why would you say this about games that have a lot in common with your second favorite game of all time?
While the first two games feel like prototypes to SM, the rest of the series barely feels like it has anything in common with it beyond the surface level to me. Wish I could enjoy em but I just don’t.
Fair enough. I haven’t played Zero Mission or either Metroid 2 remake so I very well may enjoy it as well.
>Hey Ganker let's talking about metroid
>0 replies
>eyes closed, arms crossed, smug british accent bad anime dub voice
>Hmph!. It's fucking insane to me that Metroid is viewed on the same level as other grandfather IPs just because they had one decent game decades ago. Then again I guess other IPs have been popular for even less.
STOP THE TRAIN I HAVE TO TELL HIM HOW HES WRONG
This is why Ganker is shit and will never get better
Nobody even makes earnest threads anymore.
I reply when I see one about something I like, but lets be serious, that's not even going to happen often enough that influencing it will change anything.
i have tried making many earnest threads and they get 3 replies then die
Yep, not like I make them either, but if I see one about something I like I reply to it, not that it usually matters.
There were actually several good Metroid threads prior to Remastered releasing. They were just infrequent and were usually in the evening.
I don't like how Samus feels in Super. It feels like you're jumping in water everywhere.
I like Fusion more than Super
>B-b-b-b-but you can do crazy sequence breaks in Super?!? You can get the items in annnnnnnnny order ever???
Do you? You probably get the same item order as 99% of the people that play this game, you know, the order the devs clearly intended you get them?
If I can’t see a Metroid steam chart that’s impressive, it’s not a good game.
Which Prime game has the best final boss?
1
Prime 2 had an interesting asymmetrical design that stands out among the other final bosses.
Prime 2 no contest.
2 had the best bosses of the series
that includes the final boss. quadraxis and such too.
2, great music too
Got really lucky with quick and subsequent appearances, then Smash sort of confirmed him as the Metroid series big bad with the Melee intro and the Brawl boss fights, then the too big fiasco and Ultimate.
Plus hes a space dragon, that's just inherently cool.
Prime 2 cheats by having both Ing Emperor and Dark Samus back to back, but I'll be damned if it isn't cool. I really like how fast and crazy the Dark Samus fight at the end of Prime 3 is, though.
Dark Samus battle is mostly for show, but Emperor Ing might be one of the best boss fights in gaming history. Metroid Prime was kino too.
>decent
Super Metroid is easily top 5 SNES games.
Why are people always like this when it comes to Metroid? Yeah, Super and Prime are GOAT tier but the rest of the mainline games except for Other M are worth playing too.
NES Metroid, Metroid II, Super Metroid, Zero Mission, Samus Returns, Dread, and Prime 1 - 3 are all good games.
Samus Returns is a good game but the timing was bad.
Nah it was really boring and repetitive. But the final stretch with metroid mommy and ridley was incredible and just for that I'm glad I finished it.
It was good, but I wonder how much I would have liked it if there wasn't such a huge drought. Metroid 2 was already repetitive so, doing a remake of an already repetitive game already hurt it.
i died with the baby metrod after the queen metroid fight because i hardcore let my guard down because of the original ending. i went awhile without even knowing ridley was in the game
Does anyone else hate how 'clean' and 'sterile' the mercury steam games are? the levels feel blocky, and not organic at all
SLIT YOUR FUCKING THROAT NECK
You mean like Star Fox?
Metroidvania is just a shitty genre to do sequels for. The casltevania games also have that problem. You always get kinda the same shit. If something is improved something else is downgraded. Gimmicks don't fit well into metroidvania games because they just need the core aspects to be strong but then what else can you do to make the sequel more interesting? And then they still use some shitty gimmick that just waters the experience down because it's difficult to come up with something else.
Metroidvanias are literally the easiest genre to do sequels for because all you need to do is have a different set of items.
Yet for whatever reason Metroid seems insistent on always having the same shit in every game.
Try to come up with a completely new set of items for a Metroid game that aren't just variations on the existing items and almost all have practical use outside of specific situations, I guarantee you will not have an easy time
Sure.
>short range but wide blast beam
>dash that works in mid air (this one was already in Dread but whatever)
>homing missiles
>some kind of pogostick ability to use on enemies and bounce off them
>some kind of blade or other short range weapon that arches around you and you can use in the middle of any other action
>beam that bounces off walls
>short range but wide blast beam
Spazer/Wide Beam variation
>dash that works in mid air (this one was already in Dread but whatever)
Flash Shift, as you said
>homing missiles
Seeker/Storm Missiles
>some kind of blade or other short range weapon that arches around you and you can use in the middle of any other action
Melee Counter variation
compare:
Metroid has same items, new maps
Castlevania has new items, same damn castle
What different items? What is it going to be if it's not mobility upgrades or firepower upgrades like in every metroidvania?
i'd like it if they at least got more creative with the suits instead of just power>varia>gravity
Samus Returns Ridley was probably his best fight in the entire series. It was such a long time without a decent Metroid game that I didn't even question his addition or that he was added in just in this iteration of the game.
Part of me wonders what made Ridley so popular in the first place. Most of his boss battles were not that great and his most prominent role is in Super Metroid where he steals the baby metroid at the beginning.
inspired by, and named after the director of, Alien
Who knows, he's alright to me. But I guess he's the Bowser or Ganondorf equivalent. His issue being he's not nearly has charismatic or entertaining as either of them because he's never given a voice, yet we're supposed to believe he's so intelligent he built pic related.
>But I guess he's the Bowser or Ganondorf equivalent
I'm surprised it settled at that place. Back in the 80's it was Mother Brain being pushed in those bad American cartoons. I'm Glad Ridley got his time in the spotlight but I'm glad Metroid is a series that doesn't lean too heavily on the same antagonists anymore. Dread seems to have closed the book on the Metroids, X, Mother Brain and Ridley for good.
He's a rad space dragon and he's on the cover of Super Metroid Kraid is there too but nobody notices him. Then Retro made him into a cyborg, which was even more rad.
Dragons are cool.
I think it's because his fight in Super operates on such different rules than the others. He doesn't have a weak point to aim for while carefully dodging a memorized sequence of attacks: his whole body is a hitbox and he just keeps coming at you faster and faster until one of you dies.
he looks like shit in that one because of how bright purple he is and his inclusions felt forced as hell too (like robot ridley in Zero Mission)
seriously stop shoving him in every game. Thank God he wasn't in Dread.
Ridley being forced in at the end was dumb but it was definitely one of the best boss fights in the series
That Ridley fight needed to happen.
It was a message to the player, Samus is back and she's not having none of Ridley's bullshit.
The dark days of Other M are over.
Bring it back and make it actually good
How many times, when it's included has the Plasma beam NOT been the final upgrade in the games?
Zero Mission: Plasma Beam
Metroid 2: Plasma Beam
Super: Plasma Beam
Fusion: Ice Beam(?)
Dread: Wave Beam
Prime: Plasma Beam
Prime 2: Annihilator Beam
Prime 3: Nova Beam
I kind of agree. Super Metroid is lightning in a bottle. My next favorite after it is NEStroid solely because the design philosophy most closely resembles Super.
>It's fucking insane to me that Metroid is viewed on the same level as other grandfather IPs just because they had one decent game decades ago. Then again I guess other IPs have been popular for even less.
Oh, look who's talking! A person with a superficial view of video games trying to argue about IPs.
What an absolute joke! How can you judge the worthiness of an IP without even understanding its value?
I bet you're one of those plebs that thinks Call of Duty is the pinnacle of FPS gaming.
Let me explain something to you since it seems like your tiny brain can't comprehend it:
Metroid has remained relevant for over two decades because it's a well-crafted and timeless game series that offers challenging gameplay, immersive world-building, and innovative mechanics.
In case you didn't know, Metroid was responsible for introducing new elements in adventure-platformer genre such as non-linear exploration, backtracking and sequence-breaking.
And if we are going by sales figures then let me tell you that Metroid Prime outsold many other "grandfather" IPs out there.
So before making a fool out of yourself on this board again, do some research and get your facts straight.
Otherwise go back to playing Fortnite or whatever casual garbage game suits your taste level below average.
you talk like a fag
I've never played a bad Metroid game, taking into account I never played Other M, Federation Force, Hunters, or Prime 2/3.
I remember loading up Fusion after a bunch of people told me it is mediocre and just thought it was excellent.
hunters is unironically the best arena fps since quake 3
Instead of celebrating or trying to find justification for your own ignorance, why don't you do some research to find out WHY it's hailed as one of the greatest games of all time
You're kind of stupid.
Almost all Metroid games are good. If anything Super Metroid is over-rated. It doesn't really do much better than Fusion or Zero Mission or Dread.
All Metroid games ar egreate except other m