>t. person who has never created anything in their life
It's funny because we are talking about a game getting made that will have to do extra work because of garden gnome.
how to spot coping temporarily-embarrassed millionaires who would rather hog knowledge for personal profit than advance to the next age of civilization.
The notion of "intellectual property" is fundamentally flawed and harmful to human progress. Treating ideas, information, and culture as ownable property may benefit individual interests, but ultimately stifles innovation and shared knowledge.
Knowledge itself is non-rivalrous - one person using an idea does not deprive others of benefitting from or modifying that idea. Yet intellectual property laws create artificial scarcity, restricting usage and distribution of information that could be freely shared. This impedes the cumulative innovation that comes from building on existing ideas.
The increasing expansion of intellectual property protections also threatens the public domain. Things like folk tales, recipes, or yoga poses become "owned" despite being part of shared human culture for ages. Corporations can then restrict or charge for cultural elements that ought to belong to all.
Intellectual property law also fails to properly credit all contributions to ideas and innovation. Advancements build on centuries of shared knowledge, yet single individuals or companies are granted monopolies, as if breakthroughs emerge from a vacuum. No creation springs wholly formed from one person's mind.
There are better systems than intellectual property for supporting creators, like patronage, prizes, or basic income programs. Ideas flourish when freely shared, not locked down for profit. Focus should be on what benefits humanity most, not protecting private corporate interests. True innovation comes from the open exchange and modification of ideas for the common good.
tl;dr fuck you and fuck your profiteering for holding back the progress of mankind at large.
>There are better systems than intellectual property for supporting creators, like patronage, prizes, or basic income programs
None of which are enough to make a living on hence the need for protection both to ensure the creator can continue what they're doing and to spurn unique creations. Ironically a lack of protection would do more damage to human progress as no one would have a reason to try new things.
There's a reason why creator protection has been observed all throughout history with the earliest instances predating the notion of corporations.
>Did the architect not get paid already for designing the chrysler building? Why do they need to extort money for a job they did decades ago?
It's every creator's right to own their creations and with them as they please. There shouldn't be a time limit on a creation unless the creator wills it and frankly having an idea stolen from you because the government said so is extremely gnomish.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's every creator's right to own their creations and with them as they please. There shouldn't be a time limit on a creation unless the creator wills it and frankly having an idea stolen from you because the government said so is extremely gnomish.
why should the government protect the right to a creation and never benefit from it? are you a fucking retard?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because the purpose of government is to serve as a mediator between conflicts, not actively be a member of the conflict
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Because the purpose of government is to serve as a mediator between conflicts, not actively be a member of the conflict
There is no point to a government granting protection to someone's idea but never laying claim to it for the public good. That's granting free monetary protection to that person iwth for no remuneration in kind. Life of the creator and that's it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just gave you the reason, dolt. >but that's not profitable for the government!
What sort of dipshit argument is this? The government "makes money" via the tax revenue it generates from entrepreneurial success. Ensuring entrepreneurs can flourish means their tax revenue goes up and the government can stay solvent.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What sort of dipshit argument is this? The government "makes money" via the tax revenue it generates from entrepreneurial success. Ensuring entrepreneurs can flourish means their tax revenue goes up and the government can stay solvent.
Yes because it costs the government money to enforce your fucking copyright you retard, you're trying to steal from the public to get what you want without returning anything. Again why should anyone allow you protection if you don't want to pay for it, that's blatant theft.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>steal from the public
You are not entitled to my property, gay. If I pay taxes, I pay for the courts that protect me. The only people stealing are welfare morons demanding everyone give them shit fo' free
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You are not entitled to my property, gay. If I pay taxes, I pay for the courts that protect me. The only people stealing are welfare morons demanding everyone give them shit fo' free
you are not entitled to having property you cannot protect yourself therefore you do not own it. simple as.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>might makes right
Then if I can kill you I shouldn't go to prison because by failing to defend your life you forfeited your right to it. Simple as.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>might
no, money. money makes right.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>shifts goalposts
You said "if you can't personally defend your property, you don't own it".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I said no such thing, I do not understand why people here think only one person can and ever will reply to them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice cope, garden gnome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
buddy you're the one claiming only one person could ever disagree with you, how is that not the biggest cope of all?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ironic since that was my first reply in this thread and you’re talking to a different anon. Keep coping. No one is fooled, garden gnome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is an internet forum, not your Marxist debate class. You can't gaslight away a post
>You are not entitled to my property, gay. If I pay taxes, I pay for the courts that protect me. The only people stealing are welfare morons demanding everyone give them shit fo' free
you are not entitled to having property you cannot protect yourself therefore you do not own it. simple as.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>inb4 everyone is autistic as me and would alter browser elements to win an internet argument
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tags in on someone in the middle of an argument >"wtf what makes you think I agree with him???"
Retard
how much money do you think the programmer who invented loading screen minigames made from the patent on it that prevented other games from having them for years? I have a strong suHispanicion that it was $0.
Because under capitalism, as soon as an individual tries to make a living off selling their innovation, they will inevitably get crushed like a fucking bug from corporations just adopting their idea and demolishing the market with a far superior capital.
You can't advance civilization in the current state of the world. We cannot reach the next stage using debt based currencies, or importing morons in our countries, so the focus should be personal wealth.
Good question anon!~
The answer is that all those classical **compositions** are in the public domain and free from copyright, but individuals' **performances and recordings** of those compositions are not!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what's this?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Transmission, torrent client.
If you're on Windows you probably use something like qBittorrent or Deluge instead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>qBittorrent
oh i see, thanks senpai
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didnt think I would see a streaming pixelated screentear meme in 2023
Ty anon, you made me laugh
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's wrong with VLC? lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
zoom zoom
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
like 50 years ago it had driver issues. basically, imagine your dad, today, asked you to help him plug a floppy disk into his iphone. its a meme so old its fossil has long turned to oil and been extracted for fuel
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it still renders like shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because, is the analogy, your still using a floppy disk drive. its been 143 years, anon, update the drivers you use. would you like me to explain it to you? we use this magical, mystery technology called g-o-o-g-l-e. yes, thats right, press the keys on that weird plastic board in front...g....o.....o....g....keep going
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>driver cope
I'd rather use a video player that actually werks, thank you very much.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you mean the ones that also updated their own video codecs and drivers? wow. i wonder what makes them work better. you realize vlc has auto updates for roughly 269 years now, right
There's no way Beethoven is copyrighted.
If you want to use a piece from his repertoire for commercial purposes you are free to do so. If you want to use a record of a Beethoven's work by, say, the London Philharmonic Orchestra you have to pay them to use that specific recording.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow I sure hope they're giving Beethoven residuals...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NOOO DON'T PAY PEOPLE FOR THEIR WORK
lmao, those records are very cheap compared to pop albums
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're right. If anon wants to plug Beethoven's work into Ableton and sell a compilation for 10 bucks, he can, not that anyone would buy it.
Society advances when individuals have incentive to create. That incentive is the spoils that come from profiting from their novel ideas. Without that incentive, people will not push the envelope. Abolishing IP will lead to cultural and technological stagnation because everyone just tries to stripmine any remotely-successful idea rather than create their own.
Profit is not the only incentive for creation. Passion, altruism, challenge, need, and other intrinsic motivations drive people. I believe that all of the above and more are stronger motivators than mere profits.
Cultural stagnation is arguable; a public domain full of remixable ideas allows more participation in culture.
Collaborative/open models can thrive without IP exclusivity, but not until we enter a paradigm where people realize that there is something greater to be had than money and materials. Greed will always hold us back. A society of people whose mantra is "fuck you, I got mine" is doomed to stagnate in its own swamp.
Abolishing IP and embracing a more open approach to knowledge and ideas would have its own pain for a long time, but hopefully humanity at large would find the wisdom (dare I say 'enlightenment') to use it for a greater purpose.
It is the main one. Some individuals might do it purely out of altruism or passion, but the vast majority do it because they stand to immediately gain from it. Offloading all human advancement on the people who have the luxury of free time to work on passion projects with no reward is not a good plan, which is why such systems always fail.
Factually, you are wrong. Compare: cultural output of the US vs the cultural output of the Soviet Union or modern day China. When people have to make their own, they do. When they can just snatch somebody else's idea, they do. It is a natural human tendency to take the path of least resistance, exceptions are not the rule.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ok but now compare cultural output from when copyright lasted 28 years max to now when it lasts for 120 years
>Abolishing IP will lead to cultural and technological stagnation because everyone just tries to stripmine any remotely-successful idea rather than create their own.
The IP owners do that. If Star Wars was in the public domain, not only would all the shitty Disney media still exist there would also be 40 other low-budget shitty cashgrabs also calling themselves Star Wars being released every year. Go look up all the Django movies; only one was actually made by the guy who came up with the idea, the other 20 or so were all knockoffs made in a span of five years all trying to cash in on the name despite having none of the creators or actors from the original. This was also the case back before IP was a legal precedent, there are THOUSANDS of knockoff versions of classic faery tales that just take characters from old stories and put them in fanfiction scenarios. The only possible benefit you can argue comes from this is those stories stay in the public conscious and make preservation of the original good stories easier. But who the hell cares about modern stories enough to want to preserve them for the ages?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>THOUSANDS of knockoff versions of classic faery tales that just take characters from old stories and put them in fanfiction scenarios
King Arthur, my beloved...
Shitty things*
For every good mod, there are tens of thousands of absolutely abhorrent mods that clog up the catalogue.
Furthermore, a LOT of amateur game devs do what they do to gain experience so they can start a career in game development proper. If they knew from the start that they would never be compensated for their time or effort, I can guarantee that a significant amount of them wouldn't bother.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
of course some people do it for the experience but many people just like creating things to share them anon. both of these things can be true at once
Furthermore, the VAST majority of the 'best games ever made' were made for profit. There are no freeware games that are on the level of Mario 3 or FF6 or THPS2 or GTA San Andreas.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>most massive media projects made under a capitalist society was made with profits in mind
holy shit no way?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
bro, you think if they were under a communist or socialist society, the game they would make would be anywhere near as good? Personal profit is as great an incentive as passion, if not a multiplier of incentive.
Case in point, compare The Hobbit, which was a passion project story Tolkien wrote that happened to come across a publisher by happenstance, to The Lord of the Rings, which was initially written only because of how financially successful The Hobbit was that the publisher wanted him to write a sequel
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
have you considered LoTR was better because of his experience from writing the hobbit? that his skill as a writer got better, and not that the dollar signs were bigger?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thats irrelevant to the fact that he wouldn't have written LOTR in the first place if the financial incentive from the Hobbit hadn't spurred him into writing it
And, for that matter, his son wouldn't have decided to collect his works and publish them in the Silmarillion without the commercial success of both preceding books, either.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Thats irrelevant to the fact that he wouldn't have written LOTR in the first place if the financial incentive from the Hobbit hadn't spurred him into writing it
I don't know if I believe that, and unless you have a source that directly backs this up we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>unless you have a source that directly backs this up we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
To reiterate, based on the text in the image -
He only began writing LOTR because his publishers asked him to make a sequel
If his publishers did not ask him to write a sequel, he would not have, and would have sooner just stuck to his academic works and only write as a hobby
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's my point. Without the money incentive, games like that would've never been made. You need dozens if not hundreds of people working fulltime for months or years to make games like that. Amateur hobbyists working in their spare time could never compete in scale, no matter how good they are. This is part of why financial gain is such a massive contributor to advancements in the human condition.
of course some people do it for the experience but many people just like creating things to share them anon. both of these things can be true at once
Three blokes dicking around on the weekend couldn't make a GTA game, anon. Not one with anywhere near the gameplay polish of a game made for profit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I genuinely believe the industry would be in a better place if we return to smaller scale development, we don't need one bazillion people doing modeling work for rockstar so every minute chinhair on the protag's face is visible. in fact the chase for profits in many cases result in worse products with much more aggressive monetization. you can't even buy a completed AAA game anymore, not on launch. no battle passes, no MTX, no graphicswhoring, just a bunch of people passionate for the medium making things they think were cool, while making enough money to survive doing it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're not going to get good games again fr Ubisoft or EA downsizing. You're going to get good games again from them going bankrupt and replaced by new young upstarts.
Every single major game was made to "chase profits". Nintendo in 1985 was a 100 year old company with a business empire that spread from real estate investjng to toys. SEGA was a casino company before it got into video games. Stop projecting your weird suburban revolutionary ideology on an era of gaming you weren't even alive to experience.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
there is a big difference between then and now in terms of monetization and you know it. games are getting worse because the cost of making them is so bloated they need to subsidize these bloated budgets via additional avenues of nickle and diming people. yes obviously most games are made with the idea that they'll be making money, but look at fucking FF7(PSX) compared to Ever Crisis for an extreme example of what I'm talking about. One is a piece of art that just so happened to be a massive hit globally, and the other is a skinnerbox meant to monetize nostalgia. Even FF7R is more about milking the IP than creating an amazing JRPG. the money people have their hands too deep in the creative process
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ask me how I know you weren't alive to experience the golden or silver age of arcades.
No they couldn't couldn't earn money on it because they didn't invent it to earn money you fucking retard. Do you seriously think that the guy that came up with how to use fire suddenly started trying to earn shiny rocks from everyone they showed it too? Money is a VERY modern invention and is almost a spec on human civilisations roadmap, dept based currency is slightly younger and every single civilisation that used it had some form of major collapse thanks to it.
Copyright is a retarded halfbaked idea that is MEANT to protect the interests of singular individuals but all it has done is stagnate innovation. This "goldrush" that you are talking about when a new idea comes around is STILL happening regardless of IP law which means that IP law only serves the individuals with the most currency or influence, not the ones with the best ideas
They did, retard. Imagine trying to suggest the first neanderthal with a wheel wasn't offering to wheel people's shit around for a price.
The difference is most of the stuff you listed is so simple and easily replicable that you'd only have a monopoly on them for a few days before the entire clan has figured it out for themselves. And historically, people were a lot more tribally oriented so were less likely to say "that is mine and you can't have it". It's part of the reason why stone age society stagnated for like 20,000 years.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He thinks neanderthals traded with each other
Lmao, also, friendly reminder that every single thing we have today is thanks to building ontop of what came before us, we couldn't have had the diesel engine without the steam engine for example. IP is stopping the natural growth of ideas from happening thanks to the fact that companies have complete say in how innovation does its thing. The reason why the tech industry fucking exploded in the 90 weren't thanks to IP laws but with companies trying to circumvent it and the US actually using its laws for the good of the idea rather than the good of the individuals that tried to profit from it. The reason why programming has expanded so quickly is also thanks to it's open source ideas which is why even the most greedy of companies on this fucking planet like Apple, all open source their stuff or use other open source stuff
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The stone age lasted for 20k years because cavemen couldn't charge people for money
LMAO
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's part of the reason why stone age society stagnated for like 20,000 years.
Corpo sponsered burger education at its finest
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>fucking KKKrapitalist AAA devs, we need to seize the means of game production and retvrn
moron video games originated as fucking casino gambling machines, arcades only existed to milk little kids of their pocket money. The only reason consoles even exist is because arcades lost popularity. If it weren't for "chasing profits" we'd still be playing Pong on oscilloscopes. You are completely brain dead
I guess the families of the people that came up with fire, the wheel, plumbing, the water wheel, the wind mill and electricity should all be allowed to collect money from doing nothing then huh?
People have been innovating since before copyright was even as much as a single thought on anyones mind and it will keep happening long after it's gone (if it ever disappears). Keep in mind that copyrights was so dumb that even the guys who came up with it said "we should have a clause or something that allows people to freely express themselves and make shit anyway" which is why we have shit like the public domain, fair use or the fact that singular individuals very rarely gets punished for breaking it. The only winners when it comes to IP law are the very people that IP law was meant to protect us against, the system is broken which is why Mickey Mouse is about to own half of all IPs on earth
Considering the way genetics work that would mean roughly 90% of the population would be owed money.
You think the cunts who invented that stuff didn't try and commercialise it? Literal wars have been fought over knowledge of arcane technology. The entire industrial revolution was predicated on people trying to sell new inventions.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No they couldn't couldn't earn money on it because they didn't invent it to earn money you fucking retard. Do you seriously think that the guy that came up with how to use fire suddenly started trying to earn shiny rocks from everyone they showed it too? Money is a VERY modern invention and is almost a spec on human civilisations roadmap, dept based currency is slightly younger and every single civilisation that used it had some form of major collapse thanks to it.
Copyright is a retarded halfbaked idea that is MEANT to protect the interests of singular individuals but all it has done is stagnate innovation. This "goldrush" that you are talking about when a new idea comes around is STILL happening regardless of IP law which means that IP law only serves the individuals with the most currency or influence, not the ones with the best ideas
Guess what gay. After the patent expires the floodgates are open to innovation from it.
If you want to debate the length of validity of patents but it has done well for both the individual and society
Ultra based. I can't imagine something fundamental as penicilin or a transistor to be copyrighted, imagine how doomed it would be for humanity. Like insulin's fate.
It's one thing if you have opinions on ways the government can protect consumers and small businesses against megacorporations
But if you're anti-supply side economics you're just a fool
Copyright laws are mighty handy if you have some valuable intellectual property you don't want others to take advantage of. Imagine spending time, effort and resources into creating something good, and then every other schmuck can come and take over your idea and work and make money off of it.
Imagine spending all your time, money, and effort opening up a restaurant and someone goes and opens up another one across the street. That shouldn't be allowed.
That's not what copywright does. It protects your right to sell the sole "Anon's Best Burger". Meaning the restaurant across the street can't also call their burger "Anon's Best".
we are constantly told that copyright law protects artists but where has it actually gotten us? works that can't be reprinted because the ip is in limbo. game developers who are unable to make sequels to their games because someone else owns the ip. artists who aren't allowed to draw characters they created. musicians who get automatically banned from streaming sites for playing their own songs. I wonder who it is that really benefits from """intellectual property"""
Oh I remember putting locked grooves of loops in the tracks I made on the records I used to press back in the 80s so people could lift samples cleanly. A lot of us used to do that. We can't any more, because the majors wiped out most of the indie distributors in the early 2000s and vinyl plants are now booked out with endless represses of boomer bands sold by the vary same companies. Just to make sure they will never lose control like they did in the 90s again.
So for what it's worth, I would urge you to actually do exactly that: create something of your own. Instead of playing the big corporate raider on the internet.
Copyright sounds good in theory but it always feels like a middle man issue where someone makes money and rules without creating anything, who's just there blocking progress and for some reason needs to get paid for doing it.
You angered the neets kek
Don't bother, they still won't get it
All they do is watch cartoons, play Chinese gacha games and jerk off .
They're not a productive creative kind.
copyright would be fixed by required it to be owned by a single human and not be sold/transferred under any circumstances (allowing someone to use your own copyright would still be allowed). The copyright dies with the owner.
The problem with the modern of system of "copyright should last X years" is that X is always, always arbitrary and can therefore be arbitrarily extended.
I'm not sure about copyright dying with the owner, there would definitely be a few crime cases where someone got snuffed just so that a rival business loses their copyright.
All patent law is literally insane on it's own face. It laughs in the face of logic.
t. person who has never created anything in their life
"Creating" is production. "Inventing" is not creation. Invention, innovation, ingenuity, etc, are tools in the producers toolkit. Production is creativity. Limiting production because somebody called "shotgun" on an idea is fucking clown tier, jester jumping up and down while blowing raspberries, insane.
patent law is utter shit when you get those fags that just patent everything and sit on it.
the entire reason 3d printers took until a decade ago to start coming out was because people had to wait for the patents from the 90s on them to expire. patents hold innovation back by 20 years.
that ones always hilarious to me. the tech to do 3d printers is just "take a regular printer from 1990's and add an axis using about 3 bucks worth of hardware". but whoops lol cant do that, thats illegal
t. person who has never created anything in their life
there is no sense arguing about copyright as a concept when modern copyright law only exists to protect you from copying a garden gnome. meanwhile chinks can copy the shit out of anything original you produce and garden gnomes buy it from them if it's good enough
No they didn't. The Division 2's is an unnamed Skyscraper. I mean you can technically make a case for it (it's in New York, IIRC) but it could be literally any Skyscraper in NY.
Yes, I can actually use a silhouette of an actual mouse and call it "Mickey" and disney couldn't legally sue me. It's only if I used the imaginary, cartoon mouse that was designed for steamboat willy that I'd get in trouble. BTW that's not what mice look like.
The newest case ended like a day ago of course people are going to talk about it, I'm proud to be a weeb and genuinely believe control of the world should be handed over to the Japanese, doesn't mean I can't criticize flaws in their copyright law
entirety of toxic "Japanese" work culture is to be blamed by americans bringing it, after the war they afterall instilled most of "1st world" quirks,
and Japanese are ironically still healthier in that than americans as that problem is somewhat in the air spoken about,
in muttland everyone copes with drugging themself to death and if anyone dares to disrupt the pharmacy's mordor rule it's a death sentence
>toxic "Japanese" work culture is to be blamed by americans bringing it
i'm not sure how 'the japanese have absolutely no agency over their own lives and fates' is apparently a good thing
it's not but despite everything right now in the world they are the most civilized and stable society to live in, after what happened with rapefugees in the western Europe,
>Teach a guy to fish >He slips in the water and gets mad he is wet
Win the fucking war next time you discount Korean gays.
and what I'm sick of is muttmericans bitching about anything when they are the very progenitor of everything that is the worst,
a nation once great that has spit on everything their forefathers have done and voluntarily became the biggest gnomish golem in the world that specifically makes the paraolympics only to prove of deranged it can be,
a nation that thought mutilating every newborn male at their very birth to most sensitive parts was accepted without a second thought, a nation living off drugging it's own populace into most cattle like obedience, a nation that proudly instated laws that are a gnomish wetnightmaredream,
the modern americans,
and yet you dare to bitch every time the rest of the world is not as "perfect" as you,
it just makes my blood boil when I see an american foid or numale bitching about other countries like said "Japanese" work culture when at the same time writing their faggy article they are at 9 different drugs to hold down their mental breakdown,
and worst korea is an absolute hell for anyone without gnomish mentality,
>pol drivel
do you check your bed every night in fear of the chud boogeyman?
dear God, that board is dead, yet again it was killed by worst vermin alive just like gamergate was won by most useless shitters responsible for vidya hellscape of today,
you won bunkerchud, 'enjoy' your "victory" before your very own masters make you face the wall
>the western europe >worst korea >america derangement syndrome >rapefugees
why are thirdies like this?
I'm literally from "anti-white globhomo" country,
anyone with a fucking brain and not on hollywood copium would have to be blind to not see what a hellscape america is for any actually decent people,
the only ones somewhat sane population in your forsaken land are rural people that barely have any connections with the internet or cities mostly someone like Amish
What the fuck does copyright law have to do with work culture, the work culture is getting less bad, the copyright stuff is getting worse and you can't blame America when all their political power is waning
You should see how much Watch_Dogs kept out of Chicago. Navy Pier's Ferris wheel (You know, the literal reason why it's a tourist attraction), the Museum of Science and Industry, and the Field Museum aren't even in the game. It also called the Sears Tower the "Willis Tower" which everyone knows isn't its name.
>Willis Tower is it’s official name currently
Go back to complaining on the local news about how no one was calling it that after you dumped all that money, Mr. Plumeri. It was hilarious.
copyright is the strongest weapon out there
There once was a palestinian show with a mickey mouse mascot that promoted suicide bombing and killing garden gnomes
The show's main problem wasn't the American government shunning it's broadcast or Israel literally bombing their studios, it was Disney's ninjas getting angry over the use of their copyrighted character
Don't fuck with copyright law
any original work is copyrighted to its original authors by default. Its always been this way, if a building was designed by a single architect, that architect by default owns the copyright to its design and floorplans, no registration needed. By default, I own the copyright to this post, since its my original work and complies with the communications decency act as well as the notice at the bottom of this very page, and if I wanted to I could monetize this post in some way. Its called copyRIGHTS, something third world monkeys do not have
the copyright was transfered to whoever owns the building now, which currently is some Australian hodings company, so if you need someone to be upset at, be upset at those Aussies, not the Americans
>be upset at those Aussies, not the Americans
Be upset at both. Those Aussie cunts for holding the copyright to something they didn't design and build themselves, and the American courts for actually respecting that claim.
>and the American courts for actually respecting that claim.
copyright is protected by international treaties, without these protections, it would be impossible to conduct any kind of international commerce, there's a reason America is the largest economy in the world and your country isn't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>copyright is protected by international treaties
And how do you think those treaties are made, retard? Countries have to agree to them. Agreeing to allow some foreign cunts to own the very image of a building they didn't design or build is retarded.
Nope you save OG peter parker face and kill tom holland parker with anime superpowers meanwhile miles loose his powers and let the og spiderman do his job
>BLM mural >gay flags everywhere
They're woke fags that should keep their politics out of games
And you're a fag too
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They are just making the Marvel universes New York as realistic as possible. No need to get upset.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's supposed to be fictional new york, real new york is a shit heep that deserves everything it gets
Marvel new york is supposed to be worth saving
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>marvel New York is supposed to be worth saving
Eeeeehhh kinda, just like real life it hasn’t been worth saving for two decades
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>should keep their politics out of games
This reminded me of some racing game that had some pride flags and gamers were complaining about them so the devs made settings to change it. But you can only make them appear even more lmao.
https://www.glitched.online/buckle-up-and-drive-dev-trolls-homophobes-by-adding-pride-flag-toggle-that-does-the-opposite-of-what-it-says/
They are just making the Marvel universes New York as realistic as possible. No need to get upset.
>They are just making the Marvel universes New York as realistic as possible. No need to get upset.
This, Pride doesn't just go away because you want it to, we're here to stay. Vive la LGBTQ+
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I sincerely hope you're the victim of a violent crime 🙂
Like trump or not this is a smart move, don't have to license trump's name and you get to worldbuild a little since Fisk is a Marvel character and Donald isn't.
Yeah that hasn't stopped people before. US Bank Stadium kills thousands of birds every year and they won't even consider modifying the glass so that birds can see it
Boo fucking hoo, wind farms kill millions of birds every year and it's still 0.001% of all birds. Thousands is a drop floating in the infinite expanse of the galaxy
>need space for OSCORP, the avengers tower and among many other buildings >oh no this hooknosed fuckers dont want this or that building to be used because they want money for it
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>false equivalence
Wouldn't it be funny if your mother wasn't a crack addicted alcoholic when she had you?
The chrysler building doesn't need to be any particular shape, it just has to be tall compared to its surroundings. It's like asking a song to sound "louder", not "specifically the exact tune from that other song"
>bro couldn't they just make this artist song by changing the pitch just a bit and the words too
poeple literally do that all the time. have you looked at copyright free music variants of popular songs?
Conan did parody songs like that all the time to get around copyright but you know it was referencing. Most comedies do that like making a name for some celeb they are making fun off so they don't get sued even though people know who they are talking about. Only one that doesn't do that seems be South Park and Family Guy.
People are going to ignore that this is literally only relevant to colleges that try to call themselves something like >THE Central Michigan University Chippewas
>the country that progressively has more and more government regulations and bureaucrats is actually libertarian bro
Btw, libertarians hate copyright law because....it gives the state a monopoly on recognizing or denying the property rights of others.
>Btw, libertarians hate copyright law because....it gives the state a monopoly on recognizing or denying the property rights of others. >Libertarians hate copyright law
Well for starters neo-libertarians LVOE the copyright system because they're the one's who made it. And furthermore Libertarians don't dislike any sound business strategies until they're the one's being assfucked instead of doing the assfucking. So fuck off.
Imagine you build a majestic statue of your own design, you are automatically granted copyright to its likeness, you can't exactly sell the statue over and over again but you can sell prints of your design, small models, stickers etc like you would if you had designed a character. Then someone just makes a 3D model of your statue and puts it in his game as decoration in the player's home, and featured it prominently in the promotional material, would you not enforce your copyright over the design?
Public domain is intended for works where ownership has ceased to exist. For example, a song written by an independent artist who then dies. Because he never sold the IP rights of the song, the music enters into the public domain. Same reason why a lot of the old Betty Boop cartoons are now public domain; the company that made them went bankrupt decades ago.
>The artist should not have the ability to do such in the first place.
artist aren't entitled to their own labor? Why are you so anti-working class comrade?
Why did the 3D modeler go out of his way to copy another statue instead of just modeling his own? Are you against promoting creativity in the industry as well?
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Anonymous
He didn't copy the statue, he made a 3D model not a statue.
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Yeah, based on someone elses work. Pretty lazy to be honest, sounds like he has a skill issue
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Everything is based on some previous work you dunce.
>the country that progressively has more and more government regulations and bureaucrats is actually libertarian bro
Btw, libertarians hate copyright law because....it gives the state a monopoly on recognizing or denying the property rights of others.
thats what poor people have been saying since...well...capitalism was invented.
look around you no one can afford to rent any apartment and pay isn't going up anytime soon everyone either needs to have roomates or work 3 jobs just to live its collapsing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
sounds like you're a failure surrounded by failures
my life is great and so is the life of everyone else i know
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
actual npc lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
sorry to hear you're brown
>"fuck you, I got mine"
Go ahead and read [...]
If you believe in the existence of entities more advanced than us, they're laughing as they watch us struggle to rise beyond a narrow-minded way of thinking that benefits less than 0.01% of all mankind.
Even if you don't, the notion of needing to accumulate things and material wealth is laughable in and of itself and keeps us all blind and chasing an invisible carrot into the void. There are more important things, but we have been conditioned not to question the current status quo, and this keeps us walking in place instead of making actual progress as a civilization.
>midwit screed #3726
yawn
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>"fuck you, I got mine"
Go ahead and read
Profit is not the only incentive for creation. Passion, altruism, challenge, need, and other intrinsic motivations drive people. I believe that all of the above and more are stronger motivators than mere profits.
Cultural stagnation is arguable; a public domain full of remixable ideas allows more participation in culture.
Collaborative/open models can thrive without IP exclusivity, but not until we enter a paradigm where people realize that there is something greater to be had than money and materials. Greed will always hold us back. A society of people whose mantra is "fuck you, I got mine" is doomed to stagnate in its own swamp.
Abolishing IP and embracing a more open approach to knowledge and ideas would have its own pain for a long time, but hopefully humanity at large would find the wisdom (dare I say 'enlightenment') to use it for a greater purpose.
If you believe in the existence of entities more advanced than us, they're laughing as they watch us struggle to rise beyond a narrow-minded way of thinking that benefits less than 0.01% of all mankind.
Even if you don't, the notion of needing to accumulate things and material wealth is laughable in and of itself and keeps us all blind and chasing an invisible carrot into the void. There are more important things, but we have been conditioned not to question the current status quo, and this keeps us walking in place instead of making actual progress as a civilization.
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>capitalism is collapsing because i have to share living quarters
"Capitalism" is failing because of socialist policies causing pressures and corruption. The problem stems from the philosophical progeny of Rousseau, all of whom should be hanged from the nearest tall object.
what socialist policy is pushing rent to insane levels?
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Anonymous
Giving out 'free' shit to everyone then inviting the entire world to live here too. This drives demand for housing up faster than supply is built.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
explain the 6 something million empty homes then there is plenty of supply its just being held by fucking "investors" its one of the reasons some are praying for a real estate collapse
>capitalism is collapsing because i have to share living quarters
just about everyone has to and those who dont have to work several jobs to live comfortably instead of the standard 40 a week max
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>just about everyone has to and those who dont have to work several jobs to live comfortably instead of the standard 40 a week max
okay and. your saying capitalism is over because...they have to share living quarters.
>copyrighting buildings
What's next garden gnomes? Copyrighting looking at buildings? What then? Copyrighting air in a building? I fucking hate garden gnomes.
Christ I'm so fucking sick and tired of Miles Morales being in literally every fucking thing Spider-Man related. Such a boring gay moron that no one should like.
>Christ I'm so fucking sick and tired of Miles Morales being in literally every fucking thing Spider-Man related. Such a boring gay moron that no one should like.
Don't buy the games. Vote with your wallet, Simple as. FOMO is 99% just that and not justified.
That's a trademark, not a copyright. But it's still bullshit. Most of the English language is trademarked, word by word. How on earth anyone sane thought that that was okay is beyond me.
they settled, but Mojang had to pay Zenimax to license the name so they just changed the name to Caller's Bane which released to zero fanfare shortly after the Microsoft buyout
How about Apple going after farming companies with fruit logos that predate the existence of Apple by literal decades and winning? Modern copyright is fucking retarded.
>Immortals fenyx rising was supposed to be called immortals gods and monsters but monster was going to sue ubisoft
They also tried going after pokemon and were btfo'd multiple times.
Can't they just name it something else? How can the New York City skyline be copyrighted? It's like the most famous shit ever, seen in every single movie and TV show.
>Create a system that protects small and growing companies from being utterly assfucked by big companies >Only monopolies end up benefitting from it to the point you can't even add in a fucking cultural building to a videogame
>Create a system that protects small and growing companies from being utterly assfucked by big companies
And where exactly have you seen this description of copyright?
The law is working as intended, it's just that there's only one company who can use it, so they buy out everything. The problem isn't IP laws, it's monopolies.
They can include the building solely to make fun of it and that way qualify under satire laws. Every time Spider-Man passes the Chrysler building he is therefore contractually obligated to say something disparaging about it.
It's private property with a very iconic design. It's the same as copywrighting a drawing or a car design. It's easy to get around by just changing the design slightly (see: GTA 4), but for whatever reason the Spider Man devs wanted the exact building and to refer to it by name.
I can tell you're a zoomer from this post. Back in the day, the WTC was probably the most iconic building in the NYC skyline. Definitely the most attention-getting. Held in the same regard as the Chrysler building and the Empire State building. That's why they were targeted.
>badass scene where Spiderman trapped a helicopter in a giant spiderweb between the world trade center towers >garden gnomes decided they needed some of that middle east oil and war money so we didn't get that
not the first time buildings were removed from a Spiderman thing
copyright over buildings and landmarks is incredibly stupid. i can get cars, guns, and other shit being protected but come on this same shit happened to cod MW2 lmao
If I were king I would have every lawyer and judge immediately executed, then I would substitute them for sensible people who never studied the scam artistry that is law.
an image of a building is fair use. maybe they can't use the name 'chrysler building' but the image of the building itself should not be a problem. this tweet is fake news and gay.
If I have a successful business it's only natural for someone else to want to invest into it so they can get a slice of the success in return. If my business dies with me, it has no chance to grow beyond one generation. Stuff that takes decades to build up would cease to exist. It would just be a revolving door of businesses selling off their physical assets every 20 years and all the employees getting kicked to the kerb because the company dies with the owner.
The sheer cheeck of them "owning" a building design when the original designers and buildings are not even here anymore just to get the ability to chargeoney for others using photos of them. Fucking greedy pigs.
you cant own ideas, you can only own labor
if some person makes a shitty low budget spiderman movie with their friends they should be able to sell it, disney or sony or whoever the fuck "owns" the "rights" should not be able to stop them because they did not film nor shoot nor do any work to facilitate the existence of that fan film
the only reason these corpos can waltz in and shut down your hard work is because they paid off politicians, which is also the reason for pretty much every other law written these days
like it or not, most people are driven to invent things because they might profit off of the idea personally. Setting up a legal framework to protect ideas from instant theft is the reason why have these inventions in the first place.
most inventions are done by people working for a company who have explicit clauses in their employment contracts that state that the company will own anything they invent. you can claim that companies invest in research because they want to make money, but framing it as an issue for some poor inventor wanting to get paid is gnomish dishonesty.
in reality many inventors barely profited off their work throughout history and the best inventions were propagated and increased in quality specifically because they were copied and improved incrementally with no regard for the creator because demanding payment from every tom dick and harry is only possible if the government is willing to force it to happen, and theyre only willing now because the people who own the copyright are already massive corporations lining the senators pockets
also nice goalpost switch, very smooth
>you can only own labour
These are your words, not mine
ok but now compare cultural output from when copyright lasted 28 years max to now when it lasts for 120 years
It was worse then. Have you ever read a book or play from the 18th century? Dreadful. Media hit its peak of creativity and quality in the 70s and stayed at that peak until the 90s.
Can't they just replace it with a building that looks similar but it's clearly not the one with copyright issues?
Like the Millennium Tower in Yakuza.
It was an original building made up for the game series itself in place of the actual real building that stood in there which looked nothing like the in-game stuff and it wasn't even a skyscraper, just a basic ass office building in real life.
They can, but it looks like the Spiderman games had a gameplay element where you could go around sightseeing and learn about various landmarks. One of which was the Chrysler building. They probably tried to negotiate the rights to use the name and history of the building to use for the landmark side content, but either didn't want to pay the license fee or got turned down. So they can do what other games have done: have a building that's 99% similar and just give it a different name.
IP laws can be ridiculous at times but the retards who want full abolishment are retarded, I will gladly take strict IP laws over the bullshit commie chinks can pull off in China
I actually dream of visiting NYC and actually going to all the places in the exact same order as in PE (Dec 24 Carnegie Hall, Dec 25 Central Park, etc.)
Chrysler Building doesn't have a "day" but considering it takes place after UB it's probably day 7 so Dec 30.
I dunno why people think public domain is evil and the death of the IP, Winnie The Pooh went into public domain and the worst thing that happened was someone made 1 bad horror movie with the characters.
>I dunno why people think public domain is evil and the death of the IP, Winnie The Pooh went into public domain and the worst thing that happened was someone made 1 bad horror movie with the characters.
because they're greedy garden gnomes.
according to garden gnomes michelangelo would never have painted the sistine chapel and beethoven would never have composed the 9th symphony if they weren't able to copyright them and guarantee payment for 120 years
>michelangelo would never have painted the sistine chapel
Was commissioned by the Papacy and paid 3,000 ducats of gold ($600k) >beethoven would never have composed the 9th symphony
Was commissioned by the London Philharmonic.
Not to defend the Disney-gnomish practice of lobbying to extend copyright law everytime the expiry date rolls around
they were paid for their work and that was it. there was no scheme to make money off of it for literally the next century. copyright is basically intellectual usury.
ok but look at it this way. when a new japanese porn game comes out and a bunch of horny gays on the internet make a menu translation patch within the first 24 hours of it being out this is productivity that doesn't respect copyrights. if you were to rely on law abiding routes it might be years or even never before you can play the game in a language you understand, even if you are willing to pay money for a copy.
>all these muppets against copyrights and patent protections
If I come up with a novel invention or write a bestselling book I would naturally want to make money off of it regardless of if I intended for my work to be profitable or not. In creating something I have not stolen from people or deprived anyone of anything. Who is the government or you to intercede in financial gains derived from the creation of something new? On what moral ground do non creators stand on when they say that I can't own what I have pulled from nothingness and made manifest in reality?
If I were to create the next LoTR or Harry Potter who has the right to say I can't pass down the product of my labor to my children like any other property I own?
Hate the abuses of a very successful system, not the system itself. Modern intellectual property protections come with the caveat that new things eventually become public knowledge. Without copyright and patent protection things will go back to a system of guild secrets and stifle human advancement more than absurd modern laws could hope to achieve.
Protecting the ability of people to own what they have created is both good in practice and good morally.
t. hobby novelist
because i want stuff and people stopping me from having stuff is bad and wrong and i dont like it and it should be illegal (for them to make it so i cant have what i want)
Don't you have to go commit a mass shooting you dysgenic swine? Or maybe groom some minors in a discord full fashy femboys? Either way, have a nice day at the earliest possible convenience.
And why shouldn't it? Why should I not be able to pass the fruits of my labors to my children like a house? The public has no role in my creation. Why should the public receive it?
If I live a full life and my children do as well, they could easily be alive to see 2100. Why should they, or their children, also live to see possession of my creation wrenched away from them just so some random people be able make money off something they did not create?
Protections should expire eventually in order to incentivize creation of novel works, but not in the lifetime of the creator nor their children. If held by an individual responsible for a works existence.
Works held by companies should just be given a set amount of years. 65 seems reasonable, those who worked on the protected work will have retired by that point with some leeway for the next generation.
So basically your argument is that it's a good thing because the government takes all your money when you die? What if instead we just let people transfer their wealth to their offspring when they die, instead of having copyright last 10 generations?
>In creating something I have not stolen from people or deprived anyone of anything.
And in sharing the PDF of it I'm not stealing or depriving anyone of anything, so why do you want your gnomish lawyers to extort me for doing it? >Protecting the ability of people to own what they have created is both good in practice and good morally.
You are actually mindbroken. As soon as you put out an idea or anything, you don't "have" it anymore. The only reason you even think "intellectual property" makes sense is because it's been drilled into the public consciousness for a few hundred years.
If you want to "protect" or "own" a novel, then put the only copy of it in a box and sit on it with a gun.
>grouping patents in with copyrights when patents have very well defined limits and apply to extremely specific things and you have to actively apply for it
Nice gnomish argumentation method, garden gnome.
They are two very similar things, protecting the product of a person's novel creation. One physical and one immaterial. Both allow for a creator to benefit from their creation and give means to protect their ownership it. Writing an epic and building a better bicycle are both done by the mind of the creator. Patents expire quickly to spur on technological advancement and copyright slower, because nothing is gained from making work public domain. >also muh garden gnomes
Take control of your life and stop blaming your personal shortcomings on others. Your like a moron bitching about whites.
They aren't even remotely similar. A patent is for a specific machine or process and you must actively apply for it. In addition if you improve/change the patent significantly then whatever you make doesn't fall under the protections of the patent. copyrights have basically no limits and protect things which arguably don't even exist. In addition because transformation is only really protected technically, they also work more on a guilty until proven innocent standard which is especially heinous since it literally applies to whats in people's heads not what is actually observable.
They very similar. A new machine or process and a new story or song are both inherently a product of a person's mind. >improve/change
You can do the same thing with books and songs as well. You can't use the initial work, but use it as a basis for you own that is an improvement or variation of the original. Just don't be blatant about it. >arguably don't exist
Tell me LoTR doesn't exist. It not physical, but certainly exists.
The rest is legal wrangling, and yes can suck. But isn't handled on a guilty first basis, a copyright holder must prove you copied the work in question and no action can be taken until it is proven.
>You can do the same thing with books and songs as well.
No you can't, I don't know why you are just telling blatant lies. Copyright is also nesting so you can not use any aspect of the original work in any way (unlike a patent). >Tell me LoTR doesn't exist
The books that were printed exist. That doesn't mean there is some invisible right to prevent other people from printing their own copy if they obtain the text, and there DEFINITELY isn't some invisible right for you to police other people's thoughts so they can't ever dream up a character that is similar to LOTR character. >But isn't handled on a guilty first basis, a copyright holder must prove you copied the work in question and no action can be taken until it is proven.
You simply don't understand the law and should stop posting. They don't have to prove you copied it. All they have to prove is that somebody could know about the work and that there is some similarity between your work and theirs. No, they don't have to prove that YOU specifically know about the work. If you somehow "copied" a TV show and you've never seen a TV you would still be in violation of the copyright because all they have to do is prove that most people would know of their work.
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>no you can't
Genres chock full of similar works show that your wrong. Like seemingly every rock band from 2000 onwards having a song named 'Adrenaline'.
Also nesting? Well I guess I can't use any instruments or words found in copyrighted material. Unless you directly copy things (not creating something new) you can use works as inspiration. >can't dream up a similar character to a LoTR character
I guess haughty elf archers, loudmouthed dwarves, and ancient evil wizards returning aren't staples of the fantasy genre.
Also stop imagining your being persecuted by invisible hands and just pay the few dollars for the book. >you don't understand
No you don't understand, you goofball. A truly novel work will rarely encounter any copyright issues. There are a trolls who sue for the sake of it and are only looking for a settlement because their claims won't hold up if you actually create someone new.
Just add a sign where the building should be
"Yeah there used to be a building here but it was poorly designed and owned by assholes so it caught fire and was sucked into hell along with its horrible pedophile owners and their lawyers."
"all the bad stuff you're talking about is all someone else's fault because the good guys are all actually completely helpless feeble wrecks with no concept of the self. i watch anime"
ok explain this garden gnomes. if I steal real property you can repossess it and give it back to the owner. if I "steal" "intellectual property" how are you going to get it out of my head? either admit that ip laws are retarded or that you are in favor of lobotomies to enforce your garden gnomery.
Mods well and truly do not give a fuck about this place but thats just yelling into the void at this point. The problem is third worlders think they have valuable opinions when they almost never do
>the aussies own the copyright to the empire state building
fuckin lmao, how did that even happen. what the fuck did you do america, you clowned yourselves
>New Vegas was supposed to have some Elvis music in the game >turns out the rights to use Elvis's music was insanely expensive plus Bethesda would probably keep having to pay rights to them >like for the cost for one Presley song, they could have gotten a bunch of other popular but lesser known songs in comparison
man
the dude has been dead for 46 years and you still have to pay out the ass to use his songs
oh the corporation cant make big slop for the masses because other corporation owns the rights to the building?
boo hoo too bad spiderman 8 was really go be a smash hit with the consooomers
>cunts going on about australians owning the chrysler building >Signa Holding GmbH (stylized as SIGNA) is Austria’s largest privately owned real estate company
Always a laugh when this happens.
what would they even gain from this, it's not like their building appearing in someone else's video game would cut from their profit or taint their image
they might as well sue google maps
your misunderstanding. the gain would of been the licensing fee, so the loss here is missing out on the licensing fees. so the options here are "make no money" or "maybe make money". guess what got chosen.
>ALIENS PROBABLY EXIST AND THEY'RE LAUGHING AT YOU WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD GIVE UP ALL YOUR RIGHTS AND WORDLY POSSESSION EAT THE BUGS AND LIVE IN A BOX
stellar arguments
what the fuck
only a garden gnome can outgarden gnome a garden gnome
Copyright is uber garden gnomed and should be abolished or at least severely weakened
Only cattle respect cattle law.
t. person who has never created anything in their life
>t. person who has never created anything in their life
It's funny because we are talking about a game getting made that will have to do extra work because of garden gnome.
Meaning copyright forced them into being original.
More like forced them to copy and paste another building model into that spot.
how to spot coping temporarily-embarrassed millionaires who would rather hog knowledge for personal profit than advance to the next age of civilization.
The notion of "intellectual property" is fundamentally flawed and harmful to human progress. Treating ideas, information, and culture as ownable property may benefit individual interests, but ultimately stifles innovation and shared knowledge.
Knowledge itself is non-rivalrous - one person using an idea does not deprive others of benefitting from or modifying that idea. Yet intellectual property laws create artificial scarcity, restricting usage and distribution of information that could be freely shared. This impedes the cumulative innovation that comes from building on existing ideas.
The increasing expansion of intellectual property protections also threatens the public domain. Things like folk tales, recipes, or yoga poses become "owned" despite being part of shared human culture for ages. Corporations can then restrict or charge for cultural elements that ought to belong to all.
Intellectual property law also fails to properly credit all contributions to ideas and innovation. Advancements build on centuries of shared knowledge, yet single individuals or companies are granted monopolies, as if breakthroughs emerge from a vacuum. No creation springs wholly formed from one person's mind.
There are better systems than intellectual property for supporting creators, like patronage, prizes, or basic income programs. Ideas flourish when freely shared, not locked down for profit. Focus should be on what benefits humanity most, not protecting private corporate interests. True innovation comes from the open exchange and modification of ideas for the common good.
tl;dr fuck you and fuck your profiteering for holding back the progress of mankind at large.
>There are better systems than intellectual property for supporting creators, like patronage, prizes, or basic income programs
None of which are enough to make a living on hence the need for protection both to ensure the creator can continue what they're doing and to spurn unique creations. Ironically a lack of protection would do more damage to human progress as no one would have a reason to try new things.
There's a reason why creator protection has been observed all throughout history with the earliest instances predating the notion of corporations.
Did the architect not get paid already for designing the chrysler building? Why do they need to extort money for a job they did decades ago?
>Did the architect not get paid already for designing the chrysler building? Why do they need to extort money for a job they did decades ago?
It's every creator's right to own their creations and with them as they please. There shouldn't be a time limit on a creation unless the creator wills it and frankly having an idea stolen from you because the government said so is extremely gnomish.
>It's every creator's right to own their creations and with them as they please. There shouldn't be a time limit on a creation unless the creator wills it and frankly having an idea stolen from you because the government said so is extremely gnomish.
why should the government protect the right to a creation and never benefit from it? are you a fucking retard?
Because the purpose of government is to serve as a mediator between conflicts, not actively be a member of the conflict
>Because the purpose of government is to serve as a mediator between conflicts, not actively be a member of the conflict
There is no point to a government granting protection to someone's idea but never laying claim to it for the public good. That's granting free monetary protection to that person iwth for no remuneration in kind. Life of the creator and that's it.
I just gave you the reason, dolt.
>but that's not profitable for the government!
What sort of dipshit argument is this? The government "makes money" via the tax revenue it generates from entrepreneurial success. Ensuring entrepreneurs can flourish means their tax revenue goes up and the government can stay solvent.
>What sort of dipshit argument is this? The government "makes money" via the tax revenue it generates from entrepreneurial success. Ensuring entrepreneurs can flourish means their tax revenue goes up and the government can stay solvent.
Yes because it costs the government money to enforce your fucking copyright you retard, you're trying to steal from the public to get what you want without returning anything. Again why should anyone allow you protection if you don't want to pay for it, that's blatant theft.
>steal from the public
You are not entitled to my property, gay. If I pay taxes, I pay for the courts that protect me. The only people stealing are welfare morons demanding everyone give them shit fo' free
>You are not entitled to my property, gay. If I pay taxes, I pay for the courts that protect me. The only people stealing are welfare morons demanding everyone give them shit fo' free
you are not entitled to having property you cannot protect yourself therefore you do not own it. simple as.
>might makes right
Then if I can kill you I shouldn't go to prison because by failing to defend your life you forfeited your right to it. Simple as.
>might
no, money. money makes right.
>shifts goalposts
You said "if you can't personally defend your property, you don't own it".
I said no such thing, I do not understand why people here think only one person can and ever will reply to them.
Nice cope, garden gnome.
buddy you're the one claiming only one person could ever disagree with you, how is that not the biggest cope of all?
Ironic since that was my first reply in this thread and you’re talking to a different anon. Keep coping. No one is fooled, garden gnome.
This is an internet forum, not your Marxist debate class. You can't gaslight away a post
>inb4 everyone is autistic as me and would alter browser elements to win an internet argument
>tags in on someone in the middle of an argument
>"wtf what makes you think I agree with him???"
Retard
how much money do you think the programmer who invented loading screen minigames made from the patent on it that prevented other games from having them for years? I have a strong suHispanicion that it was $0.
This is what corporate dicksuckers actually believe.
Because under capitalism, as soon as an individual tries to make a living off selling their innovation, they will inevitably get crushed like a fucking bug from corporations just adopting their idea and demolishing the market with a far superior capital.
>under capitalism
Under anything.
abolish copyright
>multimillion dollar company steals your ideas and claims them as their own
t-thanks...
Not an argument. Refer to
Not really no, just capitalism.
*cronyism
The failings of the government is what allowes companies to do what they do
The government should not get involved in the free market, you stupid commie moron.
you will never be rich
cuck
>The government should not get involved in the free market
So you agree that people should be allowed to permanently own their creations.
>free market
THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
Libertard larping about his free market. Now tell me how taxation is theft.
You can't advance civilization in the current state of the world. We cannot reach the next stage using debt based currencies, or importing morons in our countries, so the focus should be personal wealth.
I'm *trying* to understand what your fundamental value is which makes you come to the conclusion that you're entitled to people's intellectual work.
Beethoven died 200 years ago. Why is his music copyrighted?
oof
nicest way of saying they're pathetic cucks in history, no wonder they were so mad.
Good question anon!~
The answer is that all those classical **compositions** are in the public domain and free from copyright, but individuals' **performances and recordings** of those compositions are not!
what's this?
Transmission, torrent client.
If you're on Windows you probably use something like qBittorrent or Deluge instead.
>qBittorrent
oh i see, thanks senpai
I didnt think I would see a streaming pixelated screentear meme in 2023
Ty anon, you made me laugh
What's wrong with VLC? lol
zoom zoom
>he doesn't know
like 50 years ago it had driver issues. basically, imagine your dad, today, asked you to help him plug a floppy disk into his iphone. its a meme so old its fossil has long turned to oil and been extracted for fuel
No, it still renders like shit.
because, is the analogy, your still using a floppy disk drive. its been 143 years, anon, update the drivers you use. would you like me to explain it to you? we use this magical, mystery technology called g-o-o-g-l-e. yes, thats right, press the keys on that weird plastic board in front...g....o.....o....g....keep going
>driver cope
I'd rather use a video player that actually werks, thank you very much.
you mean the ones that also updated their own video codecs and drivers? wow. i wonder what makes them work better. you realize vlc has auto updates for roughly 269 years now, right
There's no way Beethoven is copyrighted.
If you want to use a piece from his repertoire for commercial purposes you are free to do so. If you want to use a record of a Beethoven's work by, say, the London Philharmonic Orchestra you have to pay them to use that specific recording.
Wow I sure hope they're giving Beethoven residuals...
>NOOO DON'T PAY PEOPLE FOR THEIR WORK
lmao, those records are very cheap compared to pop albums
You're right. If anon wants to plug Beethoven's work into Ableton and sell a compilation for 10 bucks, he can, not that anyone would buy it.
i would
Commie gay probably seeds his torrents too.
Society advances when individuals have incentive to create. That incentive is the spoils that come from profiting from their novel ideas. Without that incentive, people will not push the envelope. Abolishing IP will lead to cultural and technological stagnation because everyone just tries to stripmine any remotely-successful idea rather than create their own.
Profit is not the only incentive for creation. Passion, altruism, challenge, need, and other intrinsic motivations drive people. I believe that all of the above and more are stronger motivators than mere profits.
Cultural stagnation is arguable; a public domain full of remixable ideas allows more participation in culture.
Collaborative/open models can thrive without IP exclusivity, but not until we enter a paradigm where people realize that there is something greater to be had than money and materials. Greed will always hold us back. A society of people whose mantra is "fuck you, I got mine" is doomed to stagnate in its own swamp.
Abolishing IP and embracing a more open approach to knowledge and ideas would have its own pain for a long time, but hopefully humanity at large would find the wisdom (dare I say 'enlightenment') to use it for a greater purpose.
It is the main one. Some individuals might do it purely out of altruism or passion, but the vast majority do it because they stand to immediately gain from it. Offloading all human advancement on the people who have the luxury of free time to work on passion projects with no reward is not a good plan, which is why such systems always fail.
Factually, you are wrong. Compare: cultural output of the US vs the cultural output of the Soviet Union or modern day China. When people have to make their own, they do. When they can just snatch somebody else's idea, they do. It is a natural human tendency to take the path of least resistance, exceptions are not the rule.
ok but now compare cultural output from when copyright lasted 28 years max to now when it lasts for 120 years
>Abolishing IP will lead to cultural and technological stagnation because everyone just tries to stripmine any remotely-successful idea rather than create their own.
they already do that
The IP owners do that. If Star Wars was in the public domain, not only would all the shitty Disney media still exist there would also be 40 other low-budget shitty cashgrabs also calling themselves Star Wars being released every year. Go look up all the Django movies; only one was actually made by the guy who came up with the idea, the other 20 or so were all knockoffs made in a span of five years all trying to cash in on the name despite having none of the creators or actors from the original. This was also the case back before IP was a legal precedent, there are THOUSANDS of knockoff versions of classic faery tales that just take characters from old stories and put them in fanfiction scenarios. The only possible benefit you can argue comes from this is those stories stay in the public conscious and make preservation of the original good stories easier. But who the hell cares about modern stories enough to want to preserve them for the ages?
>THOUSANDS of knockoff versions of classic faery tales that just take characters from old stories and put them in fanfiction scenarios
King Arthur, my beloved...
you would have a point if we weren't on the videogame board, a hobby famous for having people willing to create things for games for free.
Shitty things*
For every good mod, there are tens of thousands of absolutely abhorrent mods that clog up the catalogue.
Furthermore, a LOT of amateur game devs do what they do to gain experience so they can start a career in game development proper. If they knew from the start that they would never be compensated for their time or effort, I can guarantee that a significant amount of them wouldn't bother.
of course some people do it for the experience but many people just like creating things to share them anon. both of these things can be true at once
Furthermore, the VAST majority of the 'best games ever made' were made for profit. There are no freeware games that are on the level of Mario 3 or FF6 or THPS2 or GTA San Andreas.
>most massive media projects made under a capitalist society was made with profits in mind
holy shit no way?
bro, you think if they were under a communist or socialist society, the game they would make would be anywhere near as good? Personal profit is as great an incentive as passion, if not a multiplier of incentive.
Case in point, compare The Hobbit, which was a passion project story Tolkien wrote that happened to come across a publisher by happenstance, to The Lord of the Rings, which was initially written only because of how financially successful The Hobbit was that the publisher wanted him to write a sequel
have you considered LoTR was better because of his experience from writing the hobbit? that his skill as a writer got better, and not that the dollar signs were bigger?
Thats irrelevant to the fact that he wouldn't have written LOTR in the first place if the financial incentive from the Hobbit hadn't spurred him into writing it
And, for that matter, his son wouldn't have decided to collect his works and publish them in the Silmarillion without the commercial success of both preceding books, either.
>Thats irrelevant to the fact that he wouldn't have written LOTR in the first place if the financial incentive from the Hobbit hadn't spurred him into writing it
I don't know if I believe that, and unless you have a source that directly backs this up we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
>unless you have a source that directly backs this up we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
To reiterate, based on the text in the image -
He only began writing LOTR because his publishers asked him to make a sequel
If his publishers did not ask him to write a sequel, he would not have, and would have sooner just stuck to his academic works and only write as a hobby
That's my point. Without the money incentive, games like that would've never been made. You need dozens if not hundreds of people working fulltime for months or years to make games like that. Amateur hobbyists working in their spare time could never compete in scale, no matter how good they are. This is part of why financial gain is such a massive contributor to advancements in the human condition.
Three blokes dicking around on the weekend couldn't make a GTA game, anon. Not one with anywhere near the gameplay polish of a game made for profit.
I genuinely believe the industry would be in a better place if we return to smaller scale development, we don't need one bazillion people doing modeling work for rockstar so every minute chinhair on the protag's face is visible. in fact the chase for profits in many cases result in worse products with much more aggressive monetization. you can't even buy a completed AAA game anymore, not on launch. no battle passes, no MTX, no graphicswhoring, just a bunch of people passionate for the medium making things they think were cool, while making enough money to survive doing it.
You're not going to get good games again fr Ubisoft or EA downsizing. You're going to get good games again from them going bankrupt and replaced by new young upstarts.
Every single major game was made to "chase profits". Nintendo in 1985 was a 100 year old company with a business empire that spread from real estate investjng to toys. SEGA was a casino company before it got into video games. Stop projecting your weird suburban revolutionary ideology on an era of gaming you weren't even alive to experience.
there is a big difference between then and now in terms of monetization and you know it. games are getting worse because the cost of making them is so bloated they need to subsidize these bloated budgets via additional avenues of nickle and diming people. yes obviously most games are made with the idea that they'll be making money, but look at fucking FF7(PSX) compared to Ever Crisis for an extreme example of what I'm talking about. One is a piece of art that just so happened to be a massive hit globally, and the other is a skinnerbox meant to monetize nostalgia. Even FF7R is more about milking the IP than creating an amazing JRPG. the money people have their hands too deep in the creative process
Ask me how I know you weren't alive to experience the golden or silver age of arcades.
They did, retard. Imagine trying to suggest the first neanderthal with a wheel wasn't offering to wheel people's shit around for a price.
The difference is most of the stuff you listed is so simple and easily replicable that you'd only have a monopoly on them for a few days before the entire clan has figured it out for themselves. And historically, people were a lot more tribally oriented so were less likely to say "that is mine and you can't have it". It's part of the reason why stone age society stagnated for like 20,000 years.
>He thinks neanderthals traded with each other
Lmao, also, friendly reminder that every single thing we have today is thanks to building ontop of what came before us, we couldn't have had the diesel engine without the steam engine for example. IP is stopping the natural growth of ideas from happening thanks to the fact that companies have complete say in how innovation does its thing. The reason why the tech industry fucking exploded in the 90 weren't thanks to IP laws but with companies trying to circumvent it and the US actually using its laws for the good of the idea rather than the good of the individuals that tried to profit from it. The reason why programming has expanded so quickly is also thanks to it's open source ideas which is why even the most greedy of companies on this fucking planet like Apple, all open source their stuff or use other open source stuff
>The stone age lasted for 20k years because cavemen couldn't charge people for money
LMAO
>It's part of the reason why stone age society stagnated for like 20,000 years.
Corpo sponsered burger education at its finest
>fucking KKKrapitalist AAA devs, we need to seize the means of game production and retvrn
moron video games originated as fucking casino gambling machines, arcades only existed to milk little kids of their pocket money. The only reason consoles even exist is because arcades lost popularity. If it weren't for "chasing profits" we'd still be playing Pong on oscilloscopes. You are completely brain dead
I guess the families of the people that came up with fire, the wheel, plumbing, the water wheel, the wind mill and electricity should all be allowed to collect money from doing nothing then huh?
People have been innovating since before copyright was even as much as a single thought on anyones mind and it will keep happening long after it's gone (if it ever disappears). Keep in mind that copyrights was so dumb that even the guys who came up with it said "we should have a clause or something that allows people to freely express themselves and make shit anyway" which is why we have shit like the public domain, fair use or the fact that singular individuals very rarely gets punished for breaking it. The only winners when it comes to IP law are the very people that IP law was meant to protect us against, the system is broken which is why Mickey Mouse is about to own half of all IPs on earth
Considering the way genetics work that would mean roughly 90% of the population would be owed money.
You think the cunts who invented that stuff didn't try and commercialise it? Literal wars have been fought over knowledge of arcane technology. The entire industrial revolution was predicated on people trying to sell new inventions.
No they couldn't couldn't earn money on it because they didn't invent it to earn money you fucking retard. Do you seriously think that the guy that came up with how to use fire suddenly started trying to earn shiny rocks from everyone they showed it too? Money is a VERY modern invention and is almost a spec on human civilisations roadmap, dept based currency is slightly younger and every single civilisation that used it had some form of major collapse thanks to it.
Copyright is a retarded halfbaked idea that is MEANT to protect the interests of singular individuals but all it has done is stagnate innovation. This "goldrush" that you are talking about when a new idea comes around is STILL happening regardless of IP law which means that IP law only serves the individuals with the most currency or influence, not the ones with the best ideas
Guess what gay. After the patent expires the floodgates are open to innovation from it.
If you want to debate the length of validity of patents but it has done well for both the individual and society
Ultra based. I can't imagine something fundamental as penicilin or a transistor to be copyrighted, imagine how doomed it would be for humanity. Like insulin's fate.
Commie frog, even has onions glasses and blue color.
>t. Temporarily embarrassed millionaire
Imagine literally being a marxist lmao
Imagine being a literal cuck lmao
It's one thing if you have opinions on ways the government can protect consumers and small businesses against megacorporations
But if you're anti-supply side economics you're just a fool
You think the guys who built the Chrysler building own the copyright? Give me a fucking break.
This.
Copyright laws are mighty handy if you have some valuable intellectual property you don't want others to take advantage of. Imagine spending time, effort and resources into creating something good, and then every other schmuck can come and take over your idea and work and make money off of it.
Imagine spending all your time, money, and effort opening up a restaurant and someone goes and opens up another one across the street. That shouldn't be allowed.
That's not what copywright does. It protects your right to sell the sole "Anon's Best Burger". Meaning the restaurant across the street can't also call their burger "Anon's Best".
That's a trademark, retard.
we are constantly told that copyright law protects artists but where has it actually gotten us? works that can't be reprinted because the ip is in limbo. game developers who are unable to make sequels to their games because someone else owns the ip. artists who aren't allowed to draw characters they created. musicians who get automatically banned from streaming sites for playing their own songs. I wonder who it is that really benefits from """intellectual property"""
Oh I remember putting locked grooves of loops in the tracks I made on the records I used to press back in the 80s so people could lift samples cleanly. A lot of us used to do that. We can't any more, because the majors wiped out most of the indie distributors in the early 2000s and vinyl plants are now booked out with endless represses of boomer bands sold by the vary same companies. Just to make sure they will never lose control like they did in the 90s again.
So for what it's worth, I would urge you to actually do exactly that: create something of your own. Instead of playing the big corporate raider on the internet.
Copyright sounds good in theory but it always feels like a middle man issue where someone makes money and rules without creating anything, who's just there blocking progress and for some reason needs to get paid for doing it.
I use copyleft licences
Shalom!
I created a pool of jizz inside your mom. copyright that gay lmao
t. person who protects giant corporations (the only people who benefit from copyright)
You angered the neets kek
Don't bother, they still won't get it
All they do is watch cartoons, play Chinese gacha games and jerk off .
They're not a productive creative kind.
copyright would be fixed by required it to be owned by a single human and not be sold/transferred under any circumstances (allowing someone to use your own copyright would still be allowed). The copyright dies with the owner.
The problem with the modern of system of "copyright should last X years" is that X is always, always arbitrary and can therefore be arbitrarily extended.
Almost everything would be solved if ownership was limited to a single human and could not be transmitted in any scenario and ended after death.
What happens to your physical possessions after you die? Burned?
You take it with you.
Only pirating the dead seems acceptable to me nowadays or if the media is very old and is in danger of being lost.
Piracy is a necessary evil.
Fucking this, most eloquent solution I've ever read.
I'm not sure about copyright dying with the owner, there would definitely be a few crime cases where someone got snuffed just so that a rival business loses their copyright.
All patent law is literally insane on it's own face. It laughs in the face of logic.
"Creating" is production. "Inventing" is not creation. Invention, innovation, ingenuity, etc, are tools in the producers toolkit. Production is creativity. Limiting production because somebody called "shotgun" on an idea is fucking clown tier, jester jumping up and down while blowing raspberries, insane.
>"Inventing" is not creation
>Have bunch of metal parts
>Make a machine that fulfills a purpose no other machine has ever done
>This isn't creating.
You need to create something to be able to invent something, anon. Even just a drawing of an invention is still crveating something.
patent law is utter shit when you get those fags that just patent everything and sit on it.
the entire reason 3d printers took until a decade ago to start coming out was because people had to wait for the patents from the 90s on them to expire. patents hold innovation back by 20 years.
that ones always hilarious to me. the tech to do 3d printers is just "take a regular printer from 1990's and add an axis using about 3 bucks worth of hardware". but whoops lol cant do that, thats illegal
It should be like China. First year is very cheap, but they add a zero to the renewal fees every year after.
YAAAAASSSS, SISTER! PREACH!
PROPERTY IS A CRIME AND NO ONE SHOULD "OWN" IT!! EVEN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS EVIL LATE STAGE CAPITALISM!!
SLAVA UKRAINI!!!
Nice try Moshe.
What do you mean, sister?
I agree!!
abolish morons sitting on patents for no other reason than to suee people who try to make anything vaguely similar
Intellectual property is a spook.
there is no sense arguing about copyright as a concept when modern copyright law only exists to protect you from copying a garden gnome. meanwhile chinks can copy the shit out of anything original you produce and garden gnomes buy it from them if it's good enough
dear god
sony lost..
>copyright issues
Parasite Eve?
>a game from the 90s
What about it?
>What about it?
Was gud.
Imagine square enix suing the division cause they did an endgame rogue like dungeon there KEK
No they didn't. The Division 2's is an unnamed Skyscraper. I mean you can technically make a case for it (it's in New York, IIRC) but it could be literally any Skyscraper in NY.
Its a joke dum dum
If true, wouldn't that be more of an insult?
i always called this the vulture building
>you can OWN silhouettes
Imagine living in an american dystopia
This shit happens all over the world. Try to put the Tokyo Dome in a game without the permission of the ownership group
Doesn't happen in the East, especially China, though China wouldn't want you to see the bad sides of it for a whole different reason.
The Chinese would definitely have something to say if you put Shanghai Tower in a game
Tell the Japanese to not put the fucking Eiffel fucking tower into their silhouette then. Nobody is confused by this "tokyo tower" bullshit.
Yes, do you think anyone can get away with using Mickey Mouse silhouette?
Other than Praguay
Yes, I can actually use a silhouette of an actual mouse and call it "Mickey" and disney couldn't legally sue me. It's only if I used the imaginary, cartoon mouse that was designed for steamboat willy that I'd get in trouble. BTW that's not what mice look like.
>you can copyright buildings
what the fuck is wrong with americans
Worse, you can copyright words
>you can copyright words
hmm what if I copyrighted it? would that mean all blacks are owned by me?
Prepare to be copy righted for what you posted.
It's what happens when corporate entities aren't reminded that they should be at the heel of your foot offering a product not ruling over you.
You don't own any picture you take of the Eiffel Tower.
Not just Murrica bro, this cancer is spreading.
Not true, Eiffel tower is fine, it way out of copyright. It's the lightshow at night which is owned by some gay "artist". He's who will sue you.
French artist are scum
This. Some dude got slapped with a huge fine for trying to sell a photo he took of it
>spreading
They did it first. I think the Eiffel Tower was the first building in the world to be copyright protected
I'm pretty sure it wasn't the tower's structure itself but the light system in it
So who owns this banger?
Me, but I'm cool with you using it.
Adolf's living relatives
Implying France isn't 100x worse when it comes to that.
>Several recent cases of people going to jail in Japan over flimsy copyright nonsense
But no clearly only Americans are the problem
>westoids can't stop seething about japan even on a thread that has nothing to do with it
Delicious
>t.
The newest case ended like a day ago of course people are going to talk about it, I'm proud to be a weeb and genuinely believe control of the world should be handed over to the Japanese, doesn't mean I can't criticize flaws in their copyright law
You will never be a Jap. Mike. Japs will never accept you no matter how much jav and hentai you jerk off to.
those don't effect me, american copyright laws do
entirety of toxic "Japanese" work culture is to be blamed by americans bringing it, after the war they afterall instilled most of "1st world" quirks,
and Japanese are ironically still healthier in that than americans as that problem is somewhat in the air spoken about,
in muttland everyone copes with drugging themself to death and if anyone dares to disrupt the pharmacy's mordor rule it's a death sentence
Japanese are diabetics
>toxic "Japanese" work culture is to be blamed by americans bringing it
i'm not sure how 'the japanese have absolutely no agency over their own lives and fates' is apparently a good thing
it's not but despite everything right now in the world they are the most civilized and stable society to live in, after what happened with rapefugees in the western Europe,
and what I'm sick of is muttmericans bitching about anything when they are the very progenitor of everything that is the worst,
a nation once great that has spit on everything their forefathers have done and voluntarily became the biggest gnomish golem in the world that specifically makes the paraolympics only to prove of deranged it can be,
a nation that thought mutilating every newborn male at their very birth to most sensitive parts was accepted without a second thought, a nation living off drugging it's own populace into most cattle like obedience, a nation that proudly instated laws that are a gnomish wetnightmaredream,
the modern americans,
and yet you dare to bitch every time the rest of the world is not as "perfect" as you,
it just makes my blood boil when I see an american foid or numale bitching about other countries like said "Japanese" work culture when at the same time writing their faggy article they are at 9 different drugs to hold down their mental breakdown,
and worst korea is an absolute hell for anyone without gnomish mentality,
man you expect me to read all that pol drivel?
>pol drivel
do you check your bed every night in fear of the chud boogeyman?
dear God, that board is dead, yet again it was killed by worst vermin alive just like gamergate was won by most useless shitters responsible for vidya hellscape of today,
you won bunkerchud, 'enjoy' your "victory" before your very own masters make you face the wall
I'm literally from "anti-white globhomo" country,
anyone with a fucking brain and not on hollywood copium would have to be blind to not see what a hellscape america is for any actually decent people,
the only ones somewhat sane population in your forsaken land are rural people that barely have any connections with the internet or cities mostly someone like Amish
>the western europe
>worst korea
>america derangement syndrome
>rapefugees
why are thirdies like this?
words words words words words words words words, words words, words words words words words words words words words words. ha ha i just owned you
>Teach a guy to fish
>He slips in the water and gets mad he is wet
Win the fucking war next time you discount Korean gays.
What the fuck does copyright law have to do with work culture, the work culture is getting less bad, the copyright stuff is getting worse and you can't blame America when all their political power is waning
Japan is 200 times worse.
>This is how third worlders think
Holy shit. You poor fucking NEETs.
STFU Boco
they sell property on the moon
You should see how much Watch_Dogs kept out of Chicago. Navy Pier's Ferris wheel (You know, the literal reason why it's a tourist attraction), the Museum of Science and Industry, and the Field Museum aren't even in the game. It also called the Sears Tower the "Willis Tower" which everyone knows isn't its name.
>Willis Tower instead of Sears
Willis Tower is it’s official name currently retard, learn how naming rights work
>Willis Tower is it’s official name currently
Go back to complaining on the local news about how no one was calling it that after you dumped all that money, Mr. Plumeri. It was hilarious.
copyright is the strongest weapon out there
There once was a palestinian show with a mickey mouse mascot that promoted suicide bombing and killing garden gnomes
The show's main problem wasn't the American government shunning it's broadcast or Israel literally bombing their studios, it was Disney's ninjas getting angry over the use of their copyrighted character
Don't fuck with copyright law
garden gnomes
Protestant are crypto garden gnomes, mutts made up scary stories just monetize them later
>you can copyright buildings
about 55% of the human dna is copyrighted.
water itself is copyrighted.
OMG I CAN'T PROFIT FRFOM PEOPLE'S WORK FOR FREE WTF IS THIS gnomish THING
And then anon whas the garden gnome
it's a useful reminder that national socialists are still socialists, simply looking for an excuse for theft
often this excuse is "look what those garden gnomes took"
Nazis never stole anything
Keep coping garden gnome
any original work is copyrighted to its original authors by default. Its always been this way, if a building was designed by a single architect, that architect by default owns the copyright to its design and floorplans, no registration needed. By default, I own the copyright to this post, since its my original work and complies with the communications decency act as well as the notice at the bottom of this very page, and if I wanted to I could monetize this post in some way. Its called copyRIGHTS, something third world monkeys do not have
That architect is dead tho
the copyright was transfered to whoever owns the building now, which currently is some Australian hodings company, so if you need someone to be upset at, be upset at those Aussies, not the Americans
It was the US that allowed aussies to own US soil!
Based, America and Australia are allies, and they deserve to have some of our land leased to them
>be upset at those Aussies, not the Americans
Be upset at both. Those Aussie cunts for holding the copyright to something they didn't design and build themselves, and the American courts for actually respecting that claim.
>and the American courts for actually respecting that claim.
copyright is protected by international treaties, without these protections, it would be impossible to conduct any kind of international commerce, there's a reason America is the largest economy in the world and your country isn't.
>copyright is protected by international treaties
And how do you think those treaties are made, retard? Countries have to agree to them. Agreeing to allow some foreign cunts to own the very image of a building they didn't design or build is retarded.
garden gnomes would copyright air if they could.
https://www.polygon.com/2014/7/18/5916957/chroma-squad-power-rangers-dispute
>garden gnome straight up ctrl+c ctrl+v a japanese show
>has the audacity to sue others for making works that reference the japanese shows
>Freedomland
>Has no freedom
Many such cases. Sad!
soooo...Spiderman 2 was going to have a 77 floor dungeon with bosses every 10 floors, randomized layouts, and orange juice covering floors 71-77?
Yeah it was the true ending where you fight your brother you never knew at the end, but now it will be changed to something else for paid DLC later.
Yup, in the end you save Spider Boy!
he's a secret character, but dlc only
Nope you save OG peter parker face and kill tom holland parker with anime superpowers meanwhile miles loose his powers and let the og spiderman do his job
wow so random XD
you will never be oldfag
Copyright on monuments in public spaces is so retarded. You should be forced to give that shit up to the public domain.
I'm ready for a shockingly similar building called the Dodger Tower
That's kind of impressive, not even mad.
Oh hey there's an available spot for the Baxter Building now
Could also be Kingpin's base of operations
Pretty sure they replaced Trump Tower with the Fisk building.
Yeah they are such petty little gays at this company
>reee they replaced daddy Trump's building with a badguys
You sound like the gay. Stay mad about a fictional video game.
>BLM mural
>gay flags everywhere
They're woke fags that should keep their politics out of games
And you're a fag too
They are just making the Marvel universes New York as realistic as possible. No need to get upset.
It's supposed to be fictional new york, real new york is a shit heep that deserves everything it gets
Marvel new york is supposed to be worth saving
>marvel New York is supposed to be worth saving
Eeeeehhh kinda, just like real life it hasn’t been worth saving for two decades
>should keep their politics out of games
This reminded me of some racing game that had some pride flags and gamers were complaining about them so the devs made settings to change it. But you can only make them appear even more lmao.
https://www.glitched.online/buckle-up-and-drive-dev-trolls-homophobes-by-adding-pride-flag-toggle-that-does-the-opposite-of-what-it-says/
>They are just making the Marvel universes New York as realistic as possible. No need to get upset.
This, Pride doesn't just go away because you want it to, we're here to stay. Vive la LGBTQ+
I sincerely hope you're the victim of a violent crime 🙂
Like trump or not this is a smart move, don't have to license trump's name and you get to worldbuild a little since Fisk is a Marvel character and Donald isn't.
There it is, the famous Baxter Building,
>car doesn't need gas
>stops at a gas station anyway
>asks for directions
>doesn't get them
>heads directly to his target anyway
>gets stuck in traffic
>car can fly
this looks like a fucking public safety hazard. imagine all the 1st degree burns from sun reflections
Yeah that hasn't stopped people before. US Bank Stadium kills thousands of birds every year and they won't even consider modifying the glass so that birds can see it
Boo fucking hoo, wind farms kill millions of birds every year and it's still 0.001% of all birds. Thousands is a drop floating in the infinite expanse of the galaxy
Theory is Reed Richard's bought Fisk Tower after Kingpin went to prison and it will become Baxter Tower in SM2.
>need space for OSCORP, the avengers tower and among many other buildings
>oh no this hooknosed fuckers dont want this or that building to be used because they want money for it
what_a_shame.jpg
and
Oh_wow_its_fucking_nothing.gif
>typing out images names
>on an imageboard
have a nice day
what is that file name?
>he doesnt know about typing out filenames
getaloadofthisguy.jpg
Get ye gone, newfag
Yes im fucking lazy to look for it and even google them..
deal_with_it.gif
>filename
Heh.
Couldn't they make a "not chrysler building" by making one the same height and position but not style, and just make it total shit?
probably will end up doing something just like that tbh
here,
is the guy I was looking for. Just put vulture on empire state or something.
>bro couldn't they just make this artist song by changing the pitch just a bit and the words too
are you an idiot? Any judge will laugh at you.
>false equivalence
Wouldn't it be funny if your mother wasn't a crack addicted alcoholic when she had you?
The chrysler building doesn't need to be any particular shape, it just has to be tall compared to its surroundings. It's like asking a song to sound "louder", not "specifically the exact tune from that other song"
>xhe doesnt know about soundalikes
>bro couldn't they just make this artist song by changing the pitch just a bit and the words too
poeple literally do that all the time. have you looked at copyright free music variants of popular songs?
Conan did parody songs like that all the time to get around copyright but you know it was referencing. Most comedies do that like making a name for some celeb they are making fun off so they don't get sued even though people know who they are talking about. Only one that doesn't do that seems be South Park and Family Guy.
whoever came up with this law should be fired
out of a cannon
into the sun
stop being so anti-semitic
>muh wageslave building
capitalists are insane
replace it w/ a crack den, or something disrespectful
Isomniac should make the building something insulting as a result. The Cryler building and make Spider-Man remark how the copy is full of scumbags.
>You can copyright shapes
The absolute fucking state of america
You are like a little baby. Watch this.
People are going to ignore that this is literally only relevant to colleges that try to call themselves something like
>THE Central Michigan University Chippewas
that's still fucking retarded
and yet it's how it works in the vast majority of the world.
The™ © fucking audacity
THE
>Redditbob
Fucking hell.
every character is a shape?
Didn't the same thing happen with the world trade center in the first game?
They also didn't include my apartment building, motherfuckers
...anon
9/11 jokes aside, I'm pretty sure he's talking about the new building
just make it slightly different
boom
>copyright buildings
America really is land of capitalism home of the dollar
America is just a neo-libertarian experiment into how much dumb shit businesses can make up before people catch on.
>the country that progressively has more and more government regulations and bureaucrats is actually libertarian bro
Btw, libertarians hate copyright law because....it gives the state a monopoly on recognizing or denying the property rights of others.
>Btw, libertarians hate copyright law because....it gives the state a monopoly on recognizing or denying the property rights of others.
>Libertarians hate copyright law
Well for starters neo-libertarians LVOE the copyright system because they're the one's who made it. And furthermore Libertarians don't dislike any sound business strategies until they're the one's being assfucked instead of doing the assfucking. So fuck off.
Imagine you build a majestic statue of your own design, you are automatically granted copyright to its likeness, you can't exactly sell the statue over and over again but you can sell prints of your design, small models, stickers etc like you would if you had designed a character. Then someone just makes a 3D model of your statue and puts it in his game as decoration in the player's home, and featured it prominently in the promotional material, would you not enforce your copyright over the design?
>would you not enforce your copyright over the design?
sure but copyright doesn't last forever, public domain is a thing and the Chrysler building was designed say 100 years ago.
Public domain is intended for works where ownership has ceased to exist. For example, a song written by an independent artist who then dies. Because he never sold the IP rights of the song, the music enters into the public domain. Same reason why a lot of the old Betty Boop cartoons are now public domain; the company that made them went bankrupt decades ago.
No? The artist should not have the ability to do such in the first place.
>The artist should not have the ability to do such in the first place.
artist aren't entitled to their own labor? Why are you so anti-working class comrade?
Like the 3D modeler? I guess his labor just doesn't count then huh.
Why did the 3D modeler go out of his way to copy another statue instead of just modeling his own? Are you against promoting creativity in the industry as well?
He didn't copy the statue, he made a 3D model not a statue.
Yeah, based on someone elses work. Pretty lazy to be honest, sounds like he has a skill issue
Everything is based on some previous work you dunce.
I didn't make the 3D model so I wouldn't be entitled to any money which it generates for the person who made it.
>capitalism is when the state says what you can and can't make under threat of fines and/or violence
>What is State Capitalism
off yourself bootlicker
You are the bootlicker if you support copyright laws though.
capitalism is when politicians are bought out by corporations to do their bidding
State or private institutes. Socialism is the move toward the removal of the state if that helps
Just two more weeks of dictatorship and we'll finally be the classless stateless moneyless propertyless borderless society!
Socialism is a dumb pipe dream that does the opposite of what it proports
and capitalism is collapsing so what now?
thats what poor people have been saying since...well...capitalism was invented.
>capitalism is collapsing
communists have been saying this since before your grandfather was even born
look around you no one can afford to rent any apartment and pay isn't going up anytime soon everyone either needs to have roomates or work 3 jobs just to live its collapsing
sounds like you're a failure surrounded by failures
my life is great and so is the life of everyone else i know
actual npc lol
sorry to hear you're brown
>midwit screed #3726
yawn
>"fuck you, I got mine"
Go ahead and read
If you believe in the existence of entities more advanced than us, they're laughing as they watch us struggle to rise beyond a narrow-minded way of thinking that benefits less than 0.01% of all mankind.
Even if you don't, the notion of needing to accumulate things and material wealth is laughable in and of itself and keeps us all blind and chasing an invisible carrot into the void. There are more important things, but we have been conditioned not to question the current status quo, and this keeps us walking in place instead of making actual progress as a civilization.
>capitalism is collapsing because i have to share living quarters
"Capitalism" is failing because of socialist policies causing pressures and corruption. The problem stems from the philosophical progeny of Rousseau, all of whom should be hanged from the nearest tall object.
>socialist policies causing pressures and corruption
name one specifically
Pick your favorite redistribution ponzi scheme
what socialist policy is pushing rent to insane levels?
Giving out 'free' shit to everyone then inviting the entire world to live here too. This drives demand for housing up faster than supply is built.
explain the 6 something million empty homes then there is plenty of supply its just being held by fucking "investors" its one of the reasons some are praying for a real estate collapse
just about everyone has to and those who dont have to work several jobs to live comfortably instead of the standard 40 a week max
>just about everyone has to and those who dont have to work several jobs to live comfortably instead of the standard 40 a week max
okay and. your saying capitalism is over because...they have to share living quarters.
We reached the point we loose buildings not cause 911 just by copyright TRULY CYBERPUNK
eventually they're going to come for your memes too
could you theoretically demolish the chrysler building just so that it could be added to video games without copyright shenanigans?
>copyrighting buildings
What's next garden gnomes? Copyrighting looking at buildings? What then? Copyrighting air in a building? I fucking hate garden gnomes.
There are more important matters at hand or afoot depending on how your prefer your dick stroked
Christ I'm so fucking sick and tired of Miles Morales being in literally every fucking thing Spider-Man related. Such a boring gay moron that no one should like.
>Christ I'm so fucking sick and tired of Miles Morales being in literally every fucking thing Spider-Man related. Such a boring gay moron that no one should like.
Don't buy the games. Vote with your wallet, Simple as. FOMO is 99% just that and not justified.
Chuds and their fake outrage campaigns never work, same shit happened with Hogwarts when Reddit xisters shit themselves over a few JK Rowling tweets.
fr god damn awful character.
why did they need to specify that Miles Morales is from Brooklyn?
Waiting for the noMiles mod.
It's now FIAT building, americano
Nah gonna be something moron woke related NIKE
nah it has to be some flash-in-the-pan techbro name that becomes hilariously irrelevant in like 3 years. The ChatGPT Building.
Cant wait spiderman lecturing an AI cause it cheats college
I'm gonna copyright the white tshirt. No one is allowed to use it unless the pay me a fee.
YOOO CJ!
quick someone copyright the pride flag so they have to remove it
God I hate capatilism
???
everything you own is made by it, and this doesn't affect you at all
you think thats bad?
monster (from the drinks) thinks it has a copyright on the word monster and sues anything popular with the wird monster in it
Immortals fenyx rising was supposed to be called immortals gods and monsters but monster was going to sue ubisoft
That's a trademark, not a copyright. But it's still bullshit. Most of the English language is trademarked, word by word. How on earth anyone sane thought that that was okay is beyond me.
That happens when you dont use your liberty guns against rich leeeches
Zenimax sued Mojang over their second game being called Scrolls, and Notch challenged them to a Quake 3 match to decide it
KEK did zenimax won cause they bought ID?
they settled, but Mojang had to pay Zenimax to license the name so they just changed the name to Caller's Bane which released to zero fanfare shortly after the Microsoft buyout
Bethesda also sued GSC for making STALKER: Oblivion Lost even though GSC was first, after Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion's announcement
How about Apple going after farming companies with fruit logos that predate the existence of Apple by literal decades and winning? Modern copyright is fucking retarded.
>Immortals fenyx rising was supposed to be called immortals gods and monsters but monster was going to sue ubisoft
They also tried going after pokemon and were btfo'd multiple times.
Rockstar (GTA) has sued literally every company with the word "rockstar" in it, including a fucking Axe Throwing range in Florida
They haven't sued Rockstar (the energy drink), because they're owned by PepsiCo
Can't they just name it something else? How can the New York City skyline be copyrighted? It's like the most famous shit ever, seen in every single movie and TV show.
Learn to laugh at the insanity of stuff like this.
Ill laugh when it comes to pc and has a mod for that
>just laugh while corporations dictate everything that you are allowed to do
>never do anything just sit back and take it
>Create a system that protects small and growing companies from being utterly assfucked by big companies
>Only monopolies end up benefitting from it to the point you can't even add in a fucking cultural building to a videogame
What did capitalism mean by this?
Welcome to human systems 101
>Create a system that protects small and growing companies from being utterly assfucked by big companies
And where exactly have you seen this description of copyright?
>Only monopolies
The law is working as intended, it's just that there's only one company who can use it, so they buy out everything. The problem isn't IP laws, it's monopolies.
>building right
Copyright was a mistake
>intellectual property
not real property, fuck off, absolute joke
They can include the building solely to make fun of it and that way qualify under satire laws. Every time Spider-Man passes the Chrysler building he is therefore contractually obligated to say something disparaging about it.
"copyright issues" ITS A FUCKING BUILDING
It's private property with a very iconic design. It's the same as copywrighting a drawing or a car design. It's easy to get around by just changing the design slightly (see: GTA 4), but for whatever reason the Spider Man devs wanted the exact building and to refer to it by name.
Based. Fuck off. Architecture is a work of art that should be respected.
are you allowed to put the old WTCs in any media? or is it banned?
How can a building be copyrighted lmao
garden gnomes have truly won.
I'm sure they'll just put a giant rainbow flag in its place.
surely this would come under fair use in that its a real building in a representation of the city.
Why name a building after the shittiest American car manufacturer? Seriously Chrysler sucks. Their cars are so unreliable and falls apart so fast.
Funny it didnt fall apart like twin towers KEK
would 9/11 have been more devastating if the Chrysler Building fell instead of the WTC?
I can tell you're a zoomer from this post. Back in the day, the WTC was probably the most iconic building in the NYC skyline. Definitely the most attention-getting. Held in the same regard as the Chrysler building and the Empire State building. That's why they were targeted.
And kebabs had tried to blow them up before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
because the guy who founded Chrysler paid for the building to be built
same reason one of the most famous baseball stadiums is named after gum
>poor noises
chrysler was one of the biggest and most well-respected car manufacturers in the world when the chrysler building was being constructed
Terrorist attack on the Chrysler building confirmed.
Put another building in it's place, make the owner of that building a gay that gets killed off
>badass scene where Spiderman trapped a helicopter in a giant spiderweb between the world trade center towers
>garden gnomes decided they needed some of that middle east oil and war money so we didn't get that
not the first time buildings were removed from a Spiderman thing
oh are they taking out the chrysler building in 2 days on the anniversary?
>Guys, the thermal drill
>GET IT!
>Spider-man has been alerted.
That movie came out in 2002?
AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO TO SAVE US-
copyright over buildings and landmarks is incredibly stupid. i can get cars, guns, and other shit being protected but come on this same shit happened to cod MW2 lmao
That's the Empire State Building.
When copyright prevents you from using an easily observable building, copyright law is officially fucked.
Amerimutts are so weird
France has this to with Eiffel tower.
You cant even take photos of the outside of some buildings in parts of Europe. We need another holocaust
yes and the USS Intrepid isn't there either it's jarring as fuck to just have that part of the waterfront empty
If I were king I would have every lawyer and judge immediately executed, then I would substitute them for sensible people who never studied the scam artistry that is law.
>give all my money to my biggest loser layabout neighbors because something something government bad
"No"
Does Google have to pay too for google maps?
kek
I kinda hope it is real. How can you fucking copyright a place? Seriously, how?
Any lawfag that can cure my crippling ignorance pls?
they did it to some cod map and it got removed for a few months
an image of a building is fair use. maybe they can't use the name 'chrysler building' but the image of the building itself should not be a problem. this tweet is fake news and gay.
They know that the building will be coming down within the next month so they're preemptively removing it from the skyline.
I just copyrighted this thread. If you wish to view this thread on your computer machine you have to pay me $20.
sent 😉
WHAT THE FUCK, MY CAPESCHLOP IS RUINED
Why do communists have to shill in every thread?
Copyright laws were a mistake.
Copyright ownership should be restricted to the creator only. That would alleviate a lot of these issues.
And what if I sell my business so I can retire?
>And what if I sell my business so I can retire?
then you lose the copyrights to the public domain.
So then why would anyone ever buy my business?
>So then why would anyone ever buy my business?
why should anyone but you give a shit?
If I have a successful business it's only natural for someone else to want to invest into it so they can get a slice of the success in return. If my business dies with me, it has no chance to grow beyond one generation. Stuff that takes decades to build up would cease to exist. It would just be a revolving door of businesses selling off their physical assets every 20 years and all the employees getting kicked to the kerb because the company dies with the owner.
I hate americans so much
No matter how much you think you hate them, it is not enough.
The sheer cheeck of them "owning" a building design when the original designers and buildings are not even here anymore just to get the ability to chargeoney for others using photos of them. Fucking greedy pigs.
UH SNOYSISTERS…..
>My ism is the best ism!
>No MY ism is the best ism!
>cuck!
>cuck!
Your autism is p mid ;/
you can't go there. you can't explore that.
Wait who owns the copyright? I'm pretty sure the building is already over a century old.
These shady named groups it seems.
I would implore everyone in this thread to google "Freedom of Panorama". No one even thinks about it, so we still have all these dumbass laws.
It was apparently a requirement for the US to join the Berne Convention. So yeah, thanks Europe
They've banned the exterior image of the Chrysler building, or the exact interior layout based on blueprints that are extant online?
you cant own ideas, you can only own labor
if some person makes a shitty low budget spiderman movie with their friends they should be able to sell it, disney or sony or whoever the fuck "owns" the "rights" should not be able to stop them because they did not film nor shoot nor do any work to facilitate the existence of that fan film
the only reason these corpos can waltz in and shut down your hard work is because they paid off politicians, which is also the reason for pretty much every other law written these days
Then you don't own your house, the people who built it do. Paco and Hernandez will be along shortly to reclaim their property, so get packing
>real estate is the same as ephemeral intellectual ideas
how many grades did you repeat?
like it or not, most people are driven to invent things because they might profit off of the idea personally. Setting up a legal framework to protect ideas from instant theft is the reason why have these inventions in the first place.
most inventions are done by people working for a company who have explicit clauses in their employment contracts that state that the company will own anything they invent. you can claim that companies invest in research because they want to make money, but framing it as an issue for some poor inventor wanting to get paid is gnomish dishonesty.
in reality many inventors barely profited off their work throughout history and the best inventions were propagated and increased in quality specifically because they were copied and improved incrementally with no regard for the creator because demanding payment from every tom dick and harry is only possible if the government is willing to force it to happen, and theyre only willing now because the people who own the copyright are already massive corporations lining the senators pockets
also nice goalpost switch, very smooth
>Mr.Sanches invented my house because he helped build it
Modern schooling at full display here folks
>you can only own labour
These are your words, not mine
It was worse then. Have you ever read a book or play from the 18th century? Dreadful. Media hit its peak of creativity and quality in the 70s and stayed at that peak until the 90s.
VENOM'S GOT ENOUGH POWER
TO TAKE DOWN THE CHRYSLER BUILDING
Which one is the Fantastic Four building?
why should i care? it has a black spiderman im not playing it anyway
Can't they just replace it with a building that looks similar but it's clearly not the one with copyright issues?
Like the Millennium Tower in Yakuza.
It was an original building made up for the game series itself in place of the actual real building that stood in there which looked nothing like the in-game stuff and it wasn't even a skyscraper, just a basic ass office building in real life.
They can, but it looks like the Spiderman games had a gameplay element where you could go around sightseeing and learn about various landmarks. One of which was the Chrysler building. They probably tried to negotiate the rights to use the name and history of the building to use for the landmark side content, but either didn't want to pay the license fee or got turned down. So they can do what other games have done: have a building that's 99% similar and just give it a different name.
109 shibuya is a known case
~Oh saaay can you se-
>This post is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Coinblatt record productions<
IP laws can be ridiculous at times but the retards who want full abolishment are retarded, I will gladly take strict IP laws over the bullshit commie chinks can pull off in China
Better we not go there anyway. I hear shit's fucked.
based PE enjoyer. PE ended with the Chrysler Building. Fuck PE2 and PE3.
One day I'll go to the actual Chrysler Building and be disappointed the layout isn't randomized every time I get to a new floor.
I actually dream of visiting NYC and actually going to all the places in the exact same order as in PE (Dec 24 Carnegie Hall, Dec 25 Central Park, etc.)
Chrysler Building doesn't have a "day" but considering it takes place after UB it's probably day 7 so Dec 30.
Don't be disappointed, just assume you're just getting incredibly unlikely RNG.
>tfw you're on the 50th floor
I'll be disappointed if I don't see 2 giant flying cockroaches, a giant bee, and a naked blue angel chick.
how in the fucking world can you copyright a landmark and people say these laws aren't the most retarded things in existence.
Whats stopping modders from bring it back with a commercial plane lodged into it?
They are STILL upset about what happened in 1998
>this is the greatest disaster since the World Trade Center bombing
I dunno why people think public domain is evil and the death of the IP, Winnie The Pooh went into public domain and the worst thing that happened was someone made 1 bad horror movie with the characters.
>I dunno why people think public domain is evil and the death of the IP, Winnie The Pooh went into public domain and the worst thing that happened was someone made 1 bad horror movie with the characters.
because they're greedy garden gnomes.
insane how rich people have managed to trick so many people into acting against their own self interests
>Make the needle different
>There are a few less windows
>Renamed the Bryisler Building
Problem solved
according to garden gnomes michelangelo would never have painted the sistine chapel and beethoven would never have composed the 9th symphony if they weren't able to copyright them and guarantee payment for 120 years
garden gnomes are the ones trying to abolish property. What tribe do you think Marx belonged to?
>garden gnomes are the ones trying to abolish property.
Only for goyim.
>michelangelo would never have painted the sistine chapel
Was commissioned by the Papacy and paid 3,000 ducats of gold ($600k)
>beethoven would never have composed the 9th symphony
Was commissioned by the London Philharmonic.
Not to defend the Disney-gnomish practice of lobbying to extend copyright law everytime the expiry date rolls around
they were paid for their work and that was it. there was no scheme to make money off of it for literally the next century. copyright is basically intellectual usury.
Can you really copyright a building?
What money are these morons losing by having their building in a video game?
ok but look at it this way. when a new japanese porn game comes out and a bunch of horny gays on the internet make a menu translation patch within the first 24 hours of it being out this is productivity that doesn't respect copyrights. if you were to rely on law abiding routes it might be years or even never before you can play the game in a language you understand, even if you are willing to pay money for a copy.
>man this is fucked up and probably contrary to the spirit of what the law was intended for
>BUH BUH BUH but eiffel tower france therefore-
>all these muppets against copyrights and patent protections
If I come up with a novel invention or write a bestselling book I would naturally want to make money off of it regardless of if I intended for my work to be profitable or not. In creating something I have not stolen from people or deprived anyone of anything. Who is the government or you to intercede in financial gains derived from the creation of something new? On what moral ground do non creators stand on when they say that I can't own what I have pulled from nothingness and made manifest in reality?
If I were to create the next LoTR or Harry Potter who has the right to say I can't pass down the product of my labor to my children like any other property I own?
Hate the abuses of a very successful system, not the system itself. Modern intellectual property protections come with the caveat that new things eventually become public knowledge. Without copyright and patent protection things will go back to a system of guild secrets and stifle human advancement more than absurd modern laws could hope to achieve.
Protecting the ability of people to own what they have created is both good in practice and good morally.
t. hobby novelist
because i want stuff and people stopping me from having stuff is bad and wrong and i dont like it and it should be illegal (for them to make it so i cant have what i want)
t. gnomish cocksucker
Don't you have to go commit a mass shooting you dysgenic swine? Or maybe groom some minors in a discord full fashy femboys? Either way, have a nice day at the earliest possible convenience.
>Or maybe groom some minors
I'm not gnomish, though.
classic projection
the system is made by and for abusers. if you published your novel now it wouldn't be public domain until literally the 22nd century.
And why shouldn't it? Why should I not be able to pass the fruits of my labors to my children like a house? The public has no role in my creation. Why should the public receive it?
If I live a full life and my children do as well, they could easily be alive to see 2100. Why should they, or their children, also live to see possession of my creation wrenched away from them just so some random people be able make money off something they did not create?
Protections should expire eventually in order to incentivize creation of novel works, but not in the lifetime of the creator nor their children. If held by an individual responsible for a works existence.
Works held by companies should just be given a set amount of years. 65 seems reasonable, those who worked on the protected work will have retired by that point with some leeway for the next generation.
So basically your argument is that it's a good thing because the government takes all your money when you die? What if instead we just let people transfer their wealth to their offspring when they die, instead of having copyright last 10 generations?
You entirely read my post wrong anon.
>In creating something I have not stolen from people or deprived anyone of anything.
And in sharing the PDF of it I'm not stealing or depriving anyone of anything, so why do you want your gnomish lawyers to extort me for doing it?
>Protecting the ability of people to own what they have created is both good in practice and good morally.
You are actually mindbroken. As soon as you put out an idea or anything, you don't "have" it anymore. The only reason you even think "intellectual property" makes sense is because it's been drilled into the public consciousness for a few hundred years.
If you want to "protect" or "own" a novel, then put the only copy of it in a box and sit on it with a gun.
>grouping patents in with copyrights when patents have very well defined limits and apply to extremely specific things and you have to actively apply for it
Nice gnomish argumentation method, garden gnome.
They are two very similar things, protecting the product of a person's novel creation. One physical and one immaterial. Both allow for a creator to benefit from their creation and give means to protect their ownership it. Writing an epic and building a better bicycle are both done by the mind of the creator. Patents expire quickly to spur on technological advancement and copyright slower, because nothing is gained from making work public domain.
>also muh garden gnomes
Take control of your life and stop blaming your personal shortcomings on others. Your like a moron bitching about whites.
They aren't even remotely similar. A patent is for a specific machine or process and you must actively apply for it. In addition if you improve/change the patent significantly then whatever you make doesn't fall under the protections of the patent. copyrights have basically no limits and protect things which arguably don't even exist. In addition because transformation is only really protected technically, they also work more on a guilty until proven innocent standard which is especially heinous since it literally applies to whats in people's heads not what is actually observable.
They very similar. A new machine or process and a new story or song are both inherently a product of a person's mind.
>improve/change
You can do the same thing with books and songs as well. You can't use the initial work, but use it as a basis for you own that is an improvement or variation of the original. Just don't be blatant about it.
>arguably don't exist
Tell me LoTR doesn't exist. It not physical, but certainly exists.
The rest is legal wrangling, and yes can suck. But isn't handled on a guilty first basis, a copyright holder must prove you copied the work in question and no action can be taken until it is proven.
>You can do the same thing with books and songs as well.
No you can't, I don't know why you are just telling blatant lies. Copyright is also nesting so you can not use any aspect of the original work in any way (unlike a patent).
>Tell me LoTR doesn't exist
The books that were printed exist. That doesn't mean there is some invisible right to prevent other people from printing their own copy if they obtain the text, and there DEFINITELY isn't some invisible right for you to police other people's thoughts so they can't ever dream up a character that is similar to LOTR character.
>But isn't handled on a guilty first basis, a copyright holder must prove you copied the work in question and no action can be taken until it is proven.
You simply don't understand the law and should stop posting. They don't have to prove you copied it. All they have to prove is that somebody could know about the work and that there is some similarity between your work and theirs. No, they don't have to prove that YOU specifically know about the work. If you somehow "copied" a TV show and you've never seen a TV you would still be in violation of the copyright because all they have to do is prove that most people would know of their work.
>no you can't
Genres chock full of similar works show that your wrong. Like seemingly every rock band from 2000 onwards having a song named 'Adrenaline'.
Also nesting? Well I guess I can't use any instruments or words found in copyrighted material. Unless you directly copy things (not creating something new) you can use works as inspiration.
>can't dream up a similar character to a LoTR character
I guess haughty elf archers, loudmouthed dwarves, and ancient evil wizards returning aren't staples of the fantasy genre.
Also stop imagining your being persecuted by invisible hands and just pay the few dollars for the book.
>you don't understand
No you don't understand, you goofball. A truly novel work will rarely encounter any copyright issues. There are a trolls who sue for the sake of it and are only looking for a settlement because their claims won't hold up if you actually create someone new.
have you tried making something original
Just add a sign where the building should be
"Yeah there used to be a building here but it was poorly designed and owned by assholes so it caught fire and was sucked into hell along with its horrible pedophile owners and their lawyers."
People acting like US copyright is bad when in Japan it's way fucking worse and you can be sent to jail for it.
The copyright system is global, which is why it is so fucking cancerous.
Who the fuck owns the copyright to the building???
Signa Holding
>$70 DLC
>Reuses the same map
>Cuts content
lmao
"all the bad stuff you're talking about is all someone else's fault because the good guys are all actually completely helpless feeble wrecks with no concept of the self. i watch anime"
ok explain this garden gnomes. if I steal real property you can repossess it and give it back to the owner. if I "steal" "intellectual property" how are you going to get it out of my head? either admit that ip laws are retarded or that you are in favor of lobotomies to enforce your garden gnomery.
wow this was worth 400 replies
but i got to get self-righteous about something, therefore i don't care
Mods well and truly do not give a fuck about this place but thats just yelling into the void at this point. The problem is third worlders think they have valuable opinions when they almost never do
>No you can't put your walls in that arrangement that was my idea!!!
Only Americans would find a way to copyright buildings
every country on Earth sans some poverty stricken hells have similar laws. The copyright holders are Australian by the way
>the aussies own the copyright to the empire state building
fuckin lmao, how did that even happen. what the fuck did you do america, you clowned yourselves
Its not the Empire State building, its the Chrysler Building.
>the empire state building
speaking of people clowning themselves,
what, some car company bought it or something?
yes, that's exactly what happened
Because Australia is fucked. It's a land of self-flagellating retards simping for the petrol-huffing natives.
>listen to a song
>it sticks in your head
>brainscanning device makes you pay each time it repeats
this is coming
A modified Chrysler Building was literally Kingpin's headquarters in the 90's Spider-Man show. Just put in an homage to that instead.
That would be too similar and would still violate the copyright.
Naw, they can make superficial changes and claim it under parody for fair use. Rockstar does that all the time with their maps of LA and New York.
No that isn't how it works lmao
Literally yes it is
depends on what the corpo holding the copyright feels like,
sometimes they let things slide but but if they really want they have all the money that's needed to make your life hell,
>Rule 11 sanctions (or equvilent for the country)
yes but something like disney definitely has a workaround for that
>New Vegas was supposed to have some Elvis music in the game
>turns out the rights to use Elvis's music was insanely expensive plus Bethesda would probably keep having to pay rights to them
>like for the cost for one Presley song, they could have gotten a bunch of other popular but lesser known songs in comparison
man
the dude has been dead for 46 years and you still have to pay out the ass to use his songs
It worked out better in the end though. We got memes like Marty Robbins. Everyone and their grandmother has already listened to Elvis
>Completed May 27, 1930; 93 years ago
>William Van Alen; Died May 24, 1954 (aged 70)
When does this racket get abolished?
only first worlders, specially americans, care about copyright
I never bought music/movies/games in my life kek
oh the corporation cant make big slop for the masses because other corporation owns the rights to the building?
boo hoo too bad spiderman 8 was really go be a smash hit with the consooomers
>cunts going on about australians owning the chrysler building
>Signa Holding GmbH (stylized as SIGNA) is Austria’s largest privately owned real estate company
Always a laugh when this happens.
>when they confused the austrian fritzl captivity/family incest guy with australia
>australians just took it in stride
lmao
>insomniac not paying some garden gnome to put a building in its game
Based
what would they even gain from this, it's not like their building appearing in someone else's video game would cut from their profit or taint their image
they might as well sue google maps
your misunderstanding. the gain would of been the licensing fee, so the loss here is missing out on the licensing fees. so the options here are "make no money" or "maybe make money". guess what got chosen.
How?
>ALIENS PROBABLY EXIST AND THEY'RE LAUGHING AT YOU WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD GIVE UP ALL YOUR RIGHTS AND WORDLY POSSESSION EAT THE BUGS AND LIVE IN A BOX
stellar arguments