Sarkeesian's influence only extends as far as modern western left wing idpol (a cancer on sustainable grassroots profit). Time and moving between culture spheres will phase it out.
Carmack's impact will always exist whenever and wherever videogames exist. In a thousand years, long after nature has taken care of the feminists, the things that he did will still be a part of the lineage of the work of the time, and people who study videogames will still know his name.
>Sarkeesian's influence only extends as far as modern western left wing idpol
Pretty sure more right wingers know Sarkeesian because they consumed media about how dumb she is/were exposed to that media or people talking about that media because of their social circles
She wasn't really relevant at all before people started hating her and hasn't been relevant for anything since
Doom was far more influential that anything Sharkeesian ever did. The doom engine was also released open source by carmack which also helped contribute to the development of the shooter genre in general. No one remembers what that b***h anita did other than grift, she’s practically forgotten. Ask someone if they know what Doom is and they’ll remember. Some people dont even know what the frick “gamergate” was
knowing what annita did isn't the same as being effected by the results. if you subscribe to the idea that modern gaming is as it is because of gamergate, she had a much greater impact
I dont think it had that big off an impact at all. The main flaws with the industry now are battlepasses and games as a service bullshit and that all started with horse armor dlc, if not earlier. The pozzed bullshit in modern games is part of a much bigger trend in global media that has all sorts of sociopolitical factors. The least of which is anita sucking dick for good reviews.
Gamergate was the vidya industry's first big sex scandal. Thats an accurate description isnt it? I have a friend who must have fried his brain consuming bread tuber bullshit about gamergate, because whenever I say that to him he says "well, acktually its a bit more complicated..." and then proceeds to describe gamergate as vidyas first big sex scandal. Its such a weirdly overdiscussed thing. People make it out to be more than it is.
He's probably under some sort of impression that he's "mAiNtAiNiNg ThE cUlTuRe" of an anonymous board of which your identity is not important, but instead the content of your posts. That is until the janitors decide to be wiener smoking homosexuals and ban you because you're a wrong thinker
He's probably under some sort of impression that he's "mAiNtAiNiNg ThE cUlTuRe" of an anonymous board of which your identity is not important, but instead the content of your posts. That is until the janitors decide to be wiener smoking homosexuals and ban you because you're a wrong thinker
you're meant to take a screenshot of the actual news articles you lazy poofters
Believing in it wasn't really high investment and the return was really high for what it would bring.
Basically one of the big ideas with metaverse was "private" ownership of virtual property.
Which sounds really fricking stupid, but if it did happen to take off and we were in some nightmare universe, the return on believing in that shit would be pretty nice.
They were essentially trying to capitalize on what Second Life and VRchat is doing and selling virtual houses and 3D Modeled porn and turning it into a meme token that people would use as currency between different types of media because it brought investors in.
I mean I understood the concept. People spent absurd amounts of money on TF2 hats back in the day. If the concept was extended and people thought that was useful outside of TF2, but the entire idea is fricking moronic and nobody would take it seriously unless we could all go into virtual areas like it's fricking SAO
People aren't going to buy VR headsets to play Secondlife except for the few thousand freaks on VRchat. If they want mass adoption, they have to ether deliver something new and exciting or lock something necessary behind the use of their otherwise useless piece of shit. The problem with the former is that you're extremely limited by the realities of internet transfer speeds in most of the world.
I don’t think it’s possible to be that interesting until we get Ready Player One stuff with full immersion, body control and feeling. That can actually enslave the minds of people but this kind of tech is probably decades away.
People really need to watch their firewall when playing a game or watching streams. Makes me laugh when families have 20mb/s download speeds and they think the reason their stream is buffering is because their internet isn't fast enough.
>Americans are the primary demographic of this always online high bandwidth using MMO. (They advertised Walmart as a feature for fricks sake). >America has the worst average internet connection speeds of all 1st world nations.
>a trillion dollar backed VR facebook could absolutely work
In Japan, Germany, and even parts of Africa...but not America. Entire metropolises with only two options for internet and lazy telecommunications companies capping bandwidth and data transfers.
It will never work because >US Internet infrastructure is garbage and will remain garbage forever because ISPs purposefully gimp services and muscle or competition >The coding complexity needed to even make an immersive online VR experience that actually lets you do more than the basic activities any online game with a social hub is far more work than any game developer would ever out in, regardless of the budget you handed them >Anyone smart and hard working enough to handle it is programming for far more meaningful shit like NASA
The experience that would actually make people say "oh yeah, this is worth it" will never exist in our lifetimes, if ever at all.
>US Internet infrastructure is garbage and will remain garbage forever
Surely at some point they will have to do some major overhaul of everything. They can't continue to live on 1999 infrastructure in 2050.
>he thinks america won't be south brazilica by 2050 >he thinks the internet won't be a luxury along with clean running water >he thinks people will even know how to spell infrastructure, let alone understand the concept
the israelite's greatest design yet: the perfect mix of Black folk and mexicans that combined create a country with all the squalor, corruption, violence, low quality of life, racial mongrelization, and class disparity of both brazil and south africa
I take offense in your comparison of US and south america, as a south american monkey, I'm proud of our ability to dehumanize, automatize and accelerate the bureaucratic system, and the fact every city in this god forsaken land has multiple flavors of internet providers, including 10k towns, already proves that US infrastructure is obsolete.
Second life and vr chat were huge
Obviously everyone who's heard of them knows they can just play them for a better experience
And I'd imagine a literal boomer ceo can't wrap his head around an mmo and thinks its a big zoom call
>Second life
Second Life was never huge. It was an obsession with journalists/the proto blue checkmark crowd in that they found the idea of it being a huge thing narratively appealing.
The people who said they believed in it only did it to get in on the grift.
If I worked at Facebook and Mark Z told me about this project, I'd do everything I can to suck up to him and be a part of the project, because it's free and easy money. Imagine getting paid to do nothing.
IMO a software developers wet dream is to get on a project that has an unlimited budget and timeframe and absolutely zero probability of ever going to production. There's zero stakes: just approve everything without testing, document nothing and write whatever spaghetti you like, it'll never come back to bite you in the ass since the thing will never leave internal tech demo stage.
Plus, even if a given Facebook project is a complete failure, the fact that you worked on ANY big Facebook project will always look good on your resume.
people? no, unless you consider people those gays who write overexcited posts on social media for whatever new homosexual reboot of old IP is announced (I have one, he's super cringe and, funny enough, a humongous metaverse shill for whatever reason, he doesn't even work for meta).
corporation? you bet your fricking ass they fell for it. I work for a huge company (just saying, multibillion dollars one), and they are exploring how to take advantage of this shit. take advantage as if there actually was any substance to it. honestly I don't think that eventually something like metaverse couldn't become popular, but now it's just a literal meme that normies even struggle to differentiate from a normal videogame. literally the offer to the demand nobody ever fricking had.
all this to say that this shit is here to stay for a long time. facebook is massively shinking because of instagram, and even the latter feels tiktotk's breath on its neck. so pushing this virtual reality shit is the way zuck came up with to try keeping the meta brand afloat
Never underestimate just how easy it is to sell dumb tech ideas to clueless boomer investors.
Literally start a company tomorrow claiming you can "triple the synergy of metaverse with complex fungible token relays based on crypto" and some boomer will be like "Oh frick, this is it, the trillion dollar idea!"
>A trillion dollar project by Facebook >wtf this will fail 100%
Literally nobody could imagine how much of a colossal disaster this would be. Nobody. It's comical just how hard they have failed. I believe at least data catching algorithm has to be topnotch.
I never believed from the get go. VR was a hard sell, frick 3D TVs/monitors outright failed. People put plastic disks in their eyes or take a small chance at going blind via laser surgery just to not wear glasses. It's just something that's never going to be.
Never underestimate just how easy it is to sell dumb tech ideas to clueless boomer investors.
Literally start a company tomorrow claiming you can "triple the synergy of metaverse with complex fungible token relays based on crypto" and some boomer will be like "Oh frick, this is it, the trillion dollar idea!"
>People had faith in it to begin with?
People are incredibly dumb. This site should have thought you this at least.
not boomers, teens too. i am honestly amazed it never picked up.
Corporate execs are beyond moronic and will buy into any "next big thing" if you make a sufficiently pretty presentation about it.
but also after shit like smartphones and how companies like Nokia literally died because they refused to buy into the meme or Bitcoin or AI, everyone will more easily buy into anything potentially new.
They had billions of dollars and John Carmack. There was plenty of reason to expect that Facebook would be able to set its bullshit bureaucratic corporate culture aside for a moment and just let the adults in the room actually get shit done. Instead they let sociopathic diversity hires frick everything up and sidelined all the actual engineering talent in the company.
No one really cared, its just the constant shilling and forced overhyping.
Its like Brie Larson no one likes it but for some reason it keeps getting shoved in our screens.
I know that "enthusiasts" (basically pic related) were wowed by the backing of Oculus and Carmack, and investors were fricking salivating at the idea of owning digital real estate in ready player one land, but anyone with any real understanding of either game/software marketing or development should understand that it's been fricking pixie dust from the start.
I'm all for innovators chipping away at the many many MANY unsolved challenges of VR, but the vision being presented by Meta is just fricking stupid.
You could have literal magic tech that is weightless and zero latency and you wouldn't see people adopting it for the shit meta wants because people generally can't or don't want to shut off their senses for extended periods of time. Ask a hundred people how they'd rather work and 99 will prefer in a room in their home on a monitor over in a fricking virtual office. Ask a hundred people how they'd rather shop and you'll get the same numbers.
I dunno, I think ditching our physical offices and moving our business onto a platform wholly owned by facebook would be a great idea for us. What could go wrong?
>First domino
No, the first domino was the global workforce being forced to take 2 years off work because of some flu that only kills octogenarians and over or those with other severe health problems, destroying productivity.
Skyrocketing Inflation, Labour shortages despite engaging in mass layoffs, governments printing money constantly.
The dominos have already been falling for quite a while now.
Pretty accurate. Who would have thought turning everything off for two years would frick everything up? Yet another case of our lives being ruined by boomers
I'm still seething that they did it. Took a fricking lot away from us and expect us to still trust them. The one positive is through forced proximity, I'm now much closer to my family.
its an interesting thought that since the economy was astroturfed and based on perpetual growth, its suddenly fricked because consumer electronics and tech has reached a point that further improvement is unnecessary and impossible without drastic and invasive changes like VR or brain chips. the economy died because we reached a plateau
>articles saying how working from home ruined productivity >most companies posted improved productivity >articles saying it will cost companies millions >most companies made money by not renewing their leases and not having an office
I am so confused
>Everything everyone is making turns to shit.
Boeing airplanes were falling out of the sky before covid started. Things are turning to shit because of the overreliance on temporary contractors because companies don't want to have real employees lower than the C-Suite anymore.
At my company all my direct managers are women or black and in a weird way I have all the power because they literally do whatever I suggest because they are obviously diversity middle management. Can you imagine how hard I work knowing that I will maybe (probably not) be promoted because I'm white?
1 year ago
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I hate it, anon. Its like that everywhere and I hate it. It doesnt end until we start our own company. Lets open a game studio and make a maximo ghosts to glory clone that sells a million copies. You do the programming and I'll do the fun stuff.
wfh means real estate israelites make less money. it also damages psychopaths who enjoy their job in management because it lets them control people. plenty of reason why there's an astroturfing campaign against wfh despite every study and all of the data saying it's a good thing
politicans get their power from taxes and bribes, big urban centers have lots of taxes and ways to bribe, waggies moving out to the country deprieves the politicans of taxes and bribes. politicans and their friendly news media liars gaslight everyone into a false reality to recover this money and power.
the 'elite', is not a coherent group. its different factions, all with different spheres of influence and pools of wealth. the citygays who went all in on their favorite urban center got fricked in the ass by waggies retreating to the woods. now they want the waggies back in their wage caggies so all the city-centric businesses and services can get their moneyback.
also a large portion of current profitability is literally fake. its created from blackrock loans, government covid stimmies, and other assorted richgay gibs.
If work from home takes off, it basically will mean the complete destruction of the concept of a corporate office, and if you don't have a corporate office, how can you come off as big and important? >:(
I work for a bank and they're happy with the wfh scheme. It was cheaper giving everyone a laptop to work from their homes than paying rent for office spaces.
The metaverse is SUPPOSED TO BE the word we use to describe the blending of real life and the digital world.
As you might have noticed, we’re not very deep into that. Everyone owns a smart phone, sure, but we’re not all walking around with AR glasses yet (because they all suck)
There needs to be some level of integrating technology into the nervous system for the digital and analog world to blend. People are fast realizing that "VR" doesnt amount to much more than strapping a monitor to your face. Real VR will involve plugging a cpu into your spinal column.
TL;DR, "metaverse" is a fancy name for just interconnecting VR content all in one big hub, and you can viably spend the majority of your life in it. Real stuff, virtual stuff, etc.
>everything is connected to each other, all within VR >go to theater, opens movie app seamlessly, sit next to friends >go to grocery store, buy stuff there, all gets mailed to your IRL house >go to VR race track, opens a Meta racing game seamlessly >drop by your workplace, seamlessly opens your company's VR desktop/cubicle/whatever, whatever your IRL job has designated as "VR doable", like accounting or meetings >go to a local venue, pay real money for a virtual ticket for a "real" concert hosted by real musicians/singers/whatever >spend real money on a virtual version of a real car made by a real car manufacturer so you can get to things in your virtual town faster >get into virtual car accidents, buy repairs, pay tickets? (Probably not...?) >grope someone without consent and be locked away in VR for a length of time, maybe even have to pay a real fine? >go to shooting range, opens shooting range app owned by a Meta partner company >buy upgrades for your virtual house with real money >name-brand furniture costs more
etc.
Horizon Worlds and Facebooks "Metaverse" aren't the same thing.
When you see these headlines about "FACEBOOK SPENT 40 TRILLION DOLLARS ON THE METAVERSE" they haven't spent all that money making Horizon.
Horizon Worlds is supposed to eventually be the backbone of the Metaverse, though it's got zero reasons to be called that so far, and it seems like such a dead project it probably never will.
>and you can viably spend the majority of your life in it
Have you ever actually used VR? Most people would barely survive half an hour without puking their guts out.
Even if Metaverse actually got made it'd drop dead as a business the moment someone manages to succesfully sue for ruining their eyesight by spending 14 hours a day in VR.
A metaverse that you can only use occasionally in your own home in under two hour bursts twice a day at most is worth jack fricking shit.
Problem is, most of what it wants to do is already done by VR Chat, Rec Room, and maybe FreelandVR if that ever comes out.
If they want to lean heavily on the "hub for many services, all stitched together seamlessly into a whole new reality" thing, that's certainly new, but unless they release another Quest, one that weighs less, is more comfortable, has a better battery life and is still cheap (haha no), nobody's going to want to spend 8+ hours a day in VR, let alone normalgays that put the headset on one time and get nauseous after five minutes.
(me)
I meant "viable" as in it would make most of the other things you do redundant, so you can "live" in this "world".
Also, I personally have lower back issues that prevent me from playing VR for more than a couple hours. The biggest hurdle for Meta is to come up with a headset that weighs a lot less than the others, has a higher res and FoV to help against eye strain, and has a bigger battery so people aren't tied down by cables as often.
...while also being really affordable, somehow.
>go to grocery store, buy stuff there, all gets mailed to your IRL house
This should be the obvious nail in the coffin for "real world" VR integration
You go to the VR Walmart, spend your time walking up and down the VR aisles picking up VR boxes and putting them in your VR cart
Then, when you're done, you have spent 45 minutes shopping and don't have groceries for another few days
You'd be better served by going to an actual Walmart (more time spent but groceries today) or using the website's 20 year old e-commerce interface (less time spent but groceries later)
You'd have to be way ahead of the curve to make a VR shopping experience worth anything
Like, VR Blockbuster presented by Steam, where you can play demos of the games with the publishers resting easy that you can't pirate the game through your headset
Of course, doing so makes it way too techy for grandma and thus makes it a terrible market proposition
This is the most astroturfed shit ever and I don't understand why. Like some power at be wants us to absolutely hate facebook's fricking SECOND LIFE knock off. Who gives a shit.
>all of us will be zucked into a datamining corposcape full of ads
Literally just don't use it like what the frick are you moronic? There was never a chance that this was even going to come close to working, and Zuck has outed himself as a moron who just got lucky when he made Facebook.
At this point I just hope facebook goes under. At least then, people could start hacking the oculus runtime on PC to run without login and to not require 50 million fricking registry entries just to function. They made it so needlessly complicated.
It's basically a term for a gigantic conglomeration of different advertising companies. Which may or may not be accessible through Horizon.
Thinks like Fortnite, Smash, Marvel vs DC, crossover episodes are all also "metaverses" in their own way as they are a unification of otherwise separate fictional universes.
So this 60 billion dollars isn't just going to Horizon, it's also going to developing VR technology, shilling technology, and making deals with other companies.
theyve made some legitimately cool tech. they just havent done anything with it. if literally any other vr company was releasing promotions like this people would be jerking them off
What us the purpose of this?
Remaking Boewulf?
Making motion tracked CG custscenes look even more soulless?
Nobody even uses their Webcam for calls at my office. I'm going to wager usage of a 3d scan avatar of yourself would somehow be lower.
>What us the purpose of this? >I'm going to wager usage of a 3d scan avatar of yourself would somehow be lower.
You just have to scan yourself one time and you'll have your avatar for VR forever. I could see it being pretty neat for meetings and things like that. Imagine giving a company-wide presentation in something like VR Chat where everyone looks realistic, but you're all at home instead of having to physically go to the meeting at your job.
It's definitely going to become the future at some point in time when it's easily accessible, cheap and free of bugs/glitches/etc.
I don't think you are understanding me anon.
I know like 2 weirdos with their picture on outlook. Nobody is going to tune into VR when they only ever turn on their webcam if some homosexual manager makes them.
The company wide presentation will go as follows.
The person presenting will have a slide deck open sharing their screen. And a webcam on about 20% of the time. Everyone else will be muted scrolling tik tok or playing games.
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Anonymous
>Nobody is going to tune into VR when they only ever turn on their webcam if some homosexual manager makes them.
The beauty of this thing is that it's just an avatar. You can look like a complete slob in reality just sitting in your pyjamas with puke all over your face after having a hangover, but your avatar will look pristine. It's basically just like a vtuber avatar.
>Everyone else will be muted scrolling tik tok or playing games.
Maybe for larger company-wide meetings, but that was just one example. You could also use this for things like D&D sessions, you could use it as a realtor showing off homes to clients in VR, you could use it as buddies watching a movie together in a VR cinema, online dating, etc. etc.
It just needs to be cheap, easy to install, easy to use, and then I could see it becoming very mainstream if some gigantic company like Google/Facebook/Apple/whatever utilized it. Eventually it will probably just be an app on your phone and then you put on a $100 super lightweight glasses like Google Glass that connects to your phone and you'll basically have full access to VR chat rooms on the fly ala something like Discord for VR.
1 year ago
Anonymous
google glass was a complete failure because they tech wasn't and will not be at a level to make it completely hidden for a good while. I think they were still using like 8nm chips then, we're at 4 right now, 3nm theoretically by end of year (though not ready for production in a mass scale yet). We'd need 2, or 1 to make glasses that can properly overlay and house info they'd need. Otherwise you get things that just look like fricking BCGs, like all those audio driver-laden "smart glasses", lmao.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sure, but it will happen eventually though. It's not a question of it, it's a question of when. VR and AR is only just getting started. It will be fricking mental in 15-20 years from now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, it's not a question of when, the chips will get there, but the question is will glasses get to a point where they're wearable like that? Will people WANT to wear fricking annoying glasses? The answer is a resounding fricking no. The entire lasik and contacts industry exists because they're fricking annoying to put on your face.
I'd put more money in neuralink and neuralink divergent tech being the way forward (IF all that shit is to progress at all, of course), rather than HMD or external wearables. Just because I think more people would genuinely rather jam something in their fricking skull than wear shit. Also people have been saying VR and AR have "just been getting started" since the god damned 80s, the shit flops every time cause the tech will never be there to match up with the promises and idealized fantasy we've been fed for just as long.
1 year ago
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>The answer is a resounding fricking no. The entire lasik and contacts industry exists because they're fricking annoying to put on your face.
That's because there's not really any upsides to just normal glasses though.
I'm 99% sure that in 2050 tons of people in first world countries will basically be experiencing AR like this daily - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't want all that crazy looking shit in my eyes while I cross a street or look for my goddamn Golden Grahams in the store.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why have an avatar of yourself? Most people look like shit and don't want to be reminded of it. None of that shit would work because many things you listed are better in person or the VR element would add useless horseshit to it. >DnD sesh
Being your character would be supperior than being you by a country mile, and if your already in VR just go full ham in a VR RPG. >realtor
No one with half a brain is buy a house that they do not tour in person. >VR cinema
This would be an abyssmal downgrade to going to the movies in person. Just rent a movie and be in a discord call together at that point. >online dating
VR would add nothing to this. The only people this would work for already are up to that shit and are fricking (literally) in VRchat already.
The only thing VR will ever be good for is games tha have a motion tracking control scheme.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Being your character would be supperior than being you by a country mile, and if your already in VR just go full ham in a VR RPG.
Sure, but some people would still prefer to do normal D&D as themselves, rather than playing an actual D&D video game.
>No one with half a brain is buy a house that they do not tour in person.
Of course not, but you could get the initial tour online and then save a recording of everything, so you can go over all the houses you have looked at over and over again. Then when you narrow it down to which ones you'd want, you obviously go look in person.
>This would be an abyssmal downgrade to going to the movies in person.
No shit. It's an alternative for people who either can't or won't go in person. People who live too far apart, people who are sick, people who may have public anxiety, etc.
>VR would add nothing to this
You're trying to tell me that people on something like Tinder wouldn't want to go on a virtual date if the VR was extremely realistic with super accurate body tracking and they could do it instantly by just pressing a button on the app, placing their phone on a table and then putting on a pair of lightweight glasses? Hell, this could even extend to people just want to talk, like distant family members/friends/whatever. It would be like FaceTime 2.0.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>DnD as themselves
fair enough I'll give you that. >virtual house tour
Doesn't really add much that pictures or video wouldn't already do. A 3d enviroment of a real space to navigate would require specialized equipment and/or software to create. I don't think it would add much over simpler means to be worth it. >movies
I don't know, it seems to specific to be viable. Plus cinemas and video cameras have a bad histroy. But the idea of a fully 3D movie to be watched in VR where you can freely look about might be a niche for that. Or something like Hardcore Henry in VR would be cool. >VR dating
If it was technically advanced to the point you say then sure. Doing that in public would make you look like a loon though.
I see where you're going with these, but some stuff hinges upon technology that may not come to fruition or even if it does may just not be widely adopted. A lot of people do not like VR or get sick when using it. More realistic than holograms and flying cars for sure, but still firmly in the Fi part of SciFi even with recent deveoplements.
1 year ago
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>"y-yeah but": The Post.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>some people >initial tour >an alternative
These are not the words you want to hear about the potential consumerbase for a literal trillion dollar project. >Would people on Tinder want [headcanon].
We'll have permanent AI companions as a flat out superior alternative to traditional dating/relationships long LONG before we have perfectly accurate 3D hologram models of people with fricking touch feedback via bodyscan.
1 year ago
Anonymous
These strike me as solutions in search of a problem nobody will use any of this once the novelty wears off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>nobody will use any of this once the novelty wears off
People said the same thing about smartphones in the beginning.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What world do you live in where there wasnt a technological arms race to miniaturize computers to fit in your pocket?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I live in the world where the vast majority of people said that their Nokia 3310 were enough and that they didn't want to carry about phones that were any more "bulky". I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
Ah, so you live in a world where the ericcson and the blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time that defined the mobile market and created a demand for further miniaturization and streamlining.
A world divorced from reality, in other words. Or some kind of third world slum where people couldnt access/afford thoee things.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time
They weren't at the time when I was talking about. Sony Ericsson P900 is from 2003 and I also mentioned Nokia 3310, which should have been another clue about the timeframe I was talking about. Blackberry was popping into mainstream around 2007-2008.
>Or some kind of third world slum where people couldnt access/afford thoee things.
I'm from Denmark.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The P900 was a relatively successful phone for the time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The P900 was a success, you dumb mongoloid. and when future iterations cut down on its size, its popularity exploded. It wasnt >It's just a trend, it'll pass
it was >it's good, but needs to get better
1 year ago
Anonymous
Every single person I showed it to back then said that it was too big, it was too confusing, it was too annoying, the stylus was stupid, etc. and that they would rather just keep their 3310/3100, or some people said that they were way more into Nokia 6600(which was INSANELY popular at the time) because it looked better and was more user-friendly.
It might have been a success from a technological standpoint, but it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted. It was too early for them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately for you, your cute little anecdote about your boomer parents being technologically illiterate doesnt change the fact that the P900 was a success and later iterations that addressed its flaws made it massively popular. >It was too early for them
Nice cope but doesnt apply since there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then. As opposed to VR or metaverse shit you're desperately trying to parallel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the P900 was a success
I never denied that it was a success. It just wasn't nearly as successful as other phones around the same time. In 2003-2005 Sony Ericsson sold a total of 73.7 million phones, and that includes T68i, T610, T600, T310, T300, T230, Z800, W800, K700, P900, P800, etc.
Meanwhile a single phone like Nokia 6600 sold 150 million in just 2003. The following year a single phone like Motorola RAZR sold 130 million. That's what's considered massively successful and popular.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It just wasn't nearly as successful as other phones
Put those goalposts back moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I wrote "It might have been a success from a technological standpoint, but it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted. It was too early for them."
Where did I move any goalposts?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted.
youalso wrote >I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
And you've done my job of proving both of those statements wrong for me with those ericcson smartphone sales, and your earlier admission that Blackberry became mainstream in 07-08.
Trying to argue "W-well, it was successful, but not as successful as others!" is a goalpost shift simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then remains unrefuted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And you've done my job of proving both of those statements wrong for me with those ericcson smartphone sales
I'm sorry to tell you, but Sony Ericsson never took off. They were always at the bottom or 2nd to bottom, even though they were more technologically advanced. Like I said from the beginning, the masses just weren't ready for smartphones back then.
>simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers
You specifically wrote "so you live in a world where the ericcson and the blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time that defined the mobile market" and "The P900 was a success, you dumb mongoloid. and when future iterations cut down on its size, its popularity exploded". Looks like you are the one moving your goalposts now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What happened in 08 that killed Erricson? It seemed to be riding the boom with everyone else even though it wasn't as big....oh wasn't it the recession?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but Sony Ericsson never took off. >screencap shows ericsson's market share doubling in just 5 years and standing next to samsung and nokia, only losing steam in 2008 for reasons that had nothing to do with the ericcson itself
You seem oddly fixated on shooting yourself im the foot. Or maybe you're so desperate for a gotcha that you didnt think it through properly
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and standing next to samsung and nokia
2002 - Nokia 35.8% - Samsung 9.8% - Sony Ericsson 5.5%
2003 - Nokia 34.7% - Samsung 10.5% - Sony Ericsson 5.1%
2004 - Nokia 30.7% - Samsung 12.6% - Sony Ericsson 6.2%
2005 - Nokia 32.5% - Samsung 12.7% - Sony Ericsson 6.3%
2006 - Nokia 34.8% - Samsung 11.8% - Sony Ericsson 7.4%
2007 - Nokia 37.8% - Samsung 13.4% - Sony Ericsson 8.8%
2008 - Nokia 38.6% - Samsung 16.3% - Sony Ericsson 7.6%
2009 - Nokia 36.4% - Samsung 19.5% - Sony Ericsson 4.5%
2010 - Nokia 28.9% - Samsung 17.6% - Sony Ericsson 2.6%
In what fricking world is this Sony Ericsson "standing next to Samsung and Nokia"? Sony Ericsson is consistently either the lowest % or second lowest % except for 2010 where it was 5th due to ZTE, HTC, Huawei etc. entering the market.
1 year ago
Anonymous
plz dont remind
1 year ago
Anonymous
I dont think you're pretending.
Take a closer look at the 2006 and 2007 numbers moron
1 year ago
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>Take a closer look at the 2006 and 2007 numbers moron
What about them? You think 7.4% and 8.8% market share are good numbers? Also, keep in mind that 8.8% is their absolute highest ever and it declines every year after until they basically stop existing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>What about them? You think their market share doubling in 4-5 years are good numbers?
You dont? >and it declines every year after until they basically stop existing
Due to reasons that bave nothing to do with the ericcson itself, as I mentioned earlier.
There's also the pointthat Ericcson's smartphone model was catching on with Nokia, Motorola, Huawei and the others, and that Blackberry came in at 2008 but at this point, it doesnt matter that much anymore since your "nobody cared it was too early!" argument is already in pieces
1 year ago
Anonymous
They started at 5.5%. Their peak was 8.8%. In what fricking world is this double to you? At this point you're just being pathetic. That growth is 3.3%. They are still 2.2% off from being double.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They started at 23 million sales. Their peak was 100 million ales. In what fricking world is this double to you?
Fair point, more like 4.4 times. And seaking of pathetic, you're not even arguing about smartphones anymore in favor of nitpicking
1 year ago
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>UHMMM ACKSHUALLY, NOW I WILL COUNT THE NUMBER OF SALES EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MARKET SHARE % THE ENTIRE TIME
And you're the one talking about nitpicking? Pathetic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The market share thing was a cope you brought up little moron, I've been focused on sales numbers since
>it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted.
youalso wrote >I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
And you've done my job of proving both of those statements wrong for me with those ericcson smartphone sales, and your earlier admission that Blackberry became mainstream in 07-08.
Trying to argue "W-well, it was successful, but not as successful as others!" is a goalpost shift simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then remains unrefuted.
because y'know, sales numbers are more indicative of the demand that you claimed was non-existent
You dont need to try so hard to save face, we're all anonymous here.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>sales numbers are more indicative of the demand
No, market share % is when we are directly comparing them to what's popular or not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>comparing them to what's popular or not.
Another goalpost shift on your end, as I called out earlier >Trying to argue "W-well, it was successful, but not as successful as others!" is a goalpost shift simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then remains unrefuted.
And just so you know, you've basically given up on refuting that point or pretending people didnt care about smarphones by now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Another goalpost shift on your end, as I called out earlier
You are just a dishonest moron. This entire time the point has been about whether or not Sony Ericsson phones were popular or not. You even tried to claim that both Blackberry and Sony Ericsson were "the hottest sellers at the time" when it was the exact opposite. They were both the lowest.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>This entire time the point has been about whether or not Sony Ericsson phones were popular or not >saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
L M A O
It's a good thing I can just scroll up to see where the argument started. You should do the same, you've embarrassed yourself enough already >They were both the lowest.
By the market share ratio metric which is pretty meaningless since this whole discussion has been about demand and how smartphones were 'too early
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are a dishonest moron. My whole point the entire time was that Sony Ericsson's smartphones were too early for mass adoption, which is 100% backed up by their low market share %. I never personally said anything about how smartphones would never catch on, but this is just you being dishonest again, I guess.
You're just a moron who saw me write that OTHER people said they didn't see a need for smartphones and thus Sony Ericsson's smartphones never really caught on back then, but then convinced yourself that it was my opinion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Sony Ericsson's smartphones were too early for mass adoption, which is 100% backed up by their low market share %
But 0% backed by their actual sales ballooning and by the fact that smartphone design bled into the other winning companies leading to the popularity of smartphones themselves skyrocketing
At this point, you're just desperate because you know by now your little "Durr people said that about smartphones too!" parallelism doesnt apply to VR. They didnt, never did.
1 year ago
Anonymous
5.5% market share starting. 8.8% market share at the peak. This is among ALL the phones that Sony Ericsson had available. So the Sony Ericsson smartphones were probably like 1% market share at very very best, if we're being incredibly generous. They were not popular. They were not adopted by the masses. P900 released in 2003. It took until ~2010 for smartphones to become mainstream. Blackberry had 21 million subs in 2008, which would be 1.72% market share.
Anything else you're confused about?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>23 million sales starting. 101 million sales at the peak. This is among ALL the phones that Sony Ericsson had available. So the Sony Ericsson smartphones were probably like 1% market share at very very best, if we're being incredibly generous. They were not popular. They were not adopted by the masses.
lmao >It took until ~2010 for smartphones to become mainstream.
As a finishing blow, I'll just leave this here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6600
Sorry buddy, but the whole "Smarphones were too early!" is just wrong.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Nokia 6600
Wasn't a real smartphone. A real smartphone has touch screen, just like the P900, which is why in one of my initial posts I specifically wrote that other people found the P900 confusing and annoying. I even mentioned the Nokia 6600 several times in this thread as one of the best selling phones at the time and in direct comparison to the P900 because it was 100x easier for people to use since it wasn't a real smartphone like the ones we were talking about, see here
Every single person I showed it to back then said that it was too big, it was too confusing, it was too annoying, the stylus was stupid, etc. and that they would rather just keep their 3310/3100, or some people said that they were way more into Nokia 6600(which was INSANELY popular at the time) because it looked better and was more user-friendly.
It might have been a success from a technological standpoint, but it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted. It was too early for them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because you wrote it off as Boomers Poopooing its necessity but it sounds like was simply a company with smaller market since even its more standard models still were dwarfed by the bigger competition.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did they though? A Smartphone makes sense because it's just building on a phone. >Oh you have a lesser laptop that doubles as your phone
It's convenient.
VR is adding a gimmick onto things that have clearly more convenient avenues, its only appeal is a clunky gimmick. You're saying it's the smartphone when it's definitely more akin to a 3D tv.
1 year ago
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>Did they though?
Yes. Smartphones didn't really become fully mainstream until like 2010, and smartphones existed for a long time prior to that. See
I live in the world where the vast majority of people said that their Nokia 3310 were enough and that they didn't want to carry about phones that were any more "bulky". I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I live in a world where it's the exact opposite though, every tiny increase of phone tech was always the hottest shit. Buying mp3s, slow ass internet, folding your ipod into a phone. I'm not buying it really. Like I can get reluctance for a cell phones in their infancy but "making your phone into a single gadget rather than carry around 2 different things? Never will catch on" seems like the most moronic bet and nothing like "very awkwardly centralize everything to this headgear when it's already far simpler to just face time"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Smartphones try from the late 90s to become mainstream, succeeded by 2010 (probably sooner you're just a homosexual but I'll use your number) >VR has been trying over and over since the 80s, possibly sooner. STILL a clunky niche hobby piece. It's 2023.
Yeah bro totally comparable.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Nobody did dude. Palm Pilots were already a thing. Blackberries basically took over the corporate world as soon as they turned the corner. The use case for an internet connected computer in your pocket and heavily in demand.
Also see survivorship bias.
People also said that about 99% of the shit to come out of the dot com bubble and turned out to be right.
Some people being wrong about 1 technology that turned out to be successful. Does not mean every idea will be.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They also said it about 3D Tvs, Theranos and Moviepass.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Theranos
Who the frick ever said that about Theranos? I'll give you the other ones, but this one is just wrong. 99.99% of people didn't even know about Theranos until news broke about the scam shit.
1 year ago
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>People said the same thing about smartphones.
Complete morons or contrarians maybe. Everyone else saw that thing Jobs was holding and said "That looks significantly better than my shit ass blackberry".
>You just have to scan yourself one time and you'll have your avatar for VR forever >blahblah company has relased metaverse avatar:HD! all you got to do is scan yourself again for a newer, better avatar! pay up at your local scanning station! >vidyagame company has a new mechanic that requires another scan, better pay that scanning fee again, anon
1 year ago
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>Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you lose or gain weight >Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you get taller >Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you age significantly >Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you lose a limb >Have to pay the bodyscan fee every time you want to update your haircut
1 year ago
Anonymous
This deserves to be presented in front of investors in a manner that would make you believe that the speaker is explaining how to cure cancer! Get the inspired hand signals out!
Bread and circuses are what holds this empire of gay and lies together. A "second life" that billions take part in daily is the ultimate circus, letting you do whatever you like in the virtual world while the ruling class destroys your real world. >but why is it lame?
Because the current "elite" are out of touch, tasteless, dumb, and have no real skills beyond nepotism and moneychanging. They sincerely thought Metaverse would be appealing because they're moronic.
The only "people" who honestly believed they'd ever deliver was out of touch corpo boomers. The funny part is that they still think it's gonna take off
They're desperate, they smell the second life money printer and figure "YO WE COULD DO THAT AND MAKE EVEN MORE CASH!".
What they fail to realize is that most people don't want to live in a facebook owned digital world, and the people that DO want some sort of digital world already have what they want with the ability to digitally frick other people over the internet.
There's NO realistic userbase for the metaverse.
>they
Judging by the plummeting stocks and countless facebook employees complaining online, zucc is the only one who still believes it's gonna be a thing.
That still seems a little too small. Don't these people remember Playstation Home? Having to have a 3D avatar to do everything is more of an impediment than immersive. Having many options trumps having many restrictions.
its fine anon. nobody knew what hiro meant back then, weeb levels were extremely low in the popular culture. other than the cringy name of the mc, its a good book. Hiro is basically a bitcoin millionare that lives like a hobo irl, but online he's a gigachad with the hottest nfts and coolest virtual home.
You think the big names work with lowly grunts? You think Kojimbo has ever even looked a 3D modeler in the eyes? You think David Cage even knows what an "animation rig" is? Do you think Miyamoto even enters the same buildings as his underlings?
why is the gpu utilization only 5%? is it true that everyone on the team are webdevs and people barely know how graphics programming works? also, release the furry avatars and people will come
I would say, jump ship, but, every ship is burning right now, my recommendation, make VR porn games using a custom build of Neo/J-Chat, sell as a SaaS.
faceberg realized that they dont have control over hardware like apple and google does with iphone and android and therefore they are slowly getting cucked out of everyone's personal data. So they wanted to create an entirely new industry that they would have ownership/monopoly over and if people used it, then they could monopolize your personal data like apple does on ios.
I might just be a contrarian here but anyone who thinks this is fricking stupid. These comments will age poorly. What they’re saying is like someone in the 1980s saying a cellphone will never be able to high quality photos, stream any music album in real time, play live tv, or allow you to talk with 32 different people at the same time over video.
>These comments will age poorly. What they’re saying is like someone in the 1980s saying a cellphone will never be able to high quality photos,
this is survivorship bias. Most business ideas and future predictions are incredibly dumb and wrong. You just dont remember them.
Ok Zuck. This shit is stupid. Nobody wants it. We just want games to go back to being fun and affordable for everyone. Not this closed platform proprietary garbage.
Nah, Zucko's fantasy for the Metaverse is basically in the same bin as FTL travel or reliable nuclear fusion. Tech might be possible in our reality, might not. Gonna take a few centuries to see.
i don’t really have a seething hatred for facebook which is quite unfortunate because there are corporations that I hate far more than facebook that I would love to see go up in flames like facebook is right now
The metaverse could EASILY deliver. All they have to do is just make Second Life 2.0 with full AAA backing. The tech is there, server infrastructure is there, the blueprint is there. The problem is that these companies don't actually want that. They want a safespace hugbox where they can advertise 24/7 to everyone for money and nothing else.
>The tech is there
Maybe if it was entirely localized to individual urban centers or extremely developed, IT conscious countries like Japan or Singapore, but the connections available to most people in the world aren't anywhere near powerful enough to deliver realistic physics calculations or light rendering, much less anything near a VR simulation and anything less is just creating a less convenient Facebook.
giga-cities are part of the WEF agenda, the eu is already pushing this shit. And every so often you can find news articles of dipshit billionares promising to build ghost cities in the desert to be 1000% green, sustainable, meme bullshit like theyare playing simcity.
Yeah.
This is pretty much the reason why it'll fail.
You can have a good virtual social time over on so many other places with FUN in mind like Garry's mod or tower unite... Club penguin, habbo hotel, any MMO... Anyone that's familiar with games can sense the malicious intent behind the metaverse.
>Second Life 2.0
quite out of the scope intended for metaverse.
first of all, second life is a relic of an old way to intend the internet when smartphones didn't exist, when it was this far west you went to to fully disconnect from your every day life and pretend to be anything you wanted. nowadays this is something only weirdos would do; I mean even back then it was pretty weird doing it, but there was a much stronger divide between being on the internet and the rest of your day.
the web has been going in a very uniformed direction for at least the past 10 years, and it'll get worse sooner than better. so at some point unless you bother enough to set up fake accounts just to troll, any log in you do anywhere will be traceable to your actual IRL persona.
because of this, metaverse is intended to become the most sanitized and corporate virtual reality ever. don't think of it as the new second life because the similarities are very superficial, it's more of a bastard child of SL and playstation home.
tl;dr metaverse is intended to be a gargantuan shopping mall/office, with some minigames thrown in there. that's literally it
Zuck bought up every rival VR company he could. Hhardware, software and supply chains. He hired over 10,000 engineers to stop other companies getting them. Most of Meta's cost is to secure a monopoly.
He bought another VR lens manufacturing company this week. He already bought like 5 of them just to stop other companies getting lenses. If you want to become a millionaire, just start a lens company and wait for Zuck to buy you.
>All they have to do is just make Second Life 2.0 with full AAA backing
Thats already second life though. IBM managers took courses for how to manage meetings in second life.
Zucc wanted this garbage to be Oz from Summer Wars (link related, its seriously the exact thing Zucc wanted, minus the anime) or The Oasis from Ready Player 1, but both of those are only concepts that work either in moron fantasy like anime, or severe dystopian climates where people are ACTUALLY owned by mega corporations AND the technology is available.
>Lowercase "metaverse" >Literally every fricking MMO >Multiplayer environments (Before intentionally sabotaging them) >What they actually fricking mean is Metaverse TM (R) (C) (Cola) >Even VRChat with alienating its own userbase for nft homosexuals after the craze died still has people >FRICKING SECOND LIFE
I want every journalist to immediately get explosive diarrhea.
This shit will not take off for at least 30 years.
We simply don’t have the technology or even if we did it would be too expensive for the masses.
Zucc is finished.
>new york office spaces are a ghost town >what do we do, should we uses these empty spaces in a new way? >FRICK NO! tell everyone they must come back to work
I just don't understand it, these high rises are begging office workers to come back instead of trying to court new business ventures, a bad an idea but at least better then what they are doing is like floors of internet cafes etc, or a high rise with every floor being a different resteraunt, but no frick that just keep trying to rent it as office space
>Why do the subhuman elite of New York City have such utter contempt for their slaves to be at home and more productive rather than at work and ritualistically humiliated
I sorta understand it in a bigger picture sort of view. If office workers aren't coming into the city/ downtown then it means other kinds of businesses start to suffer and that can effect minimum wage workers.
>Coffee with a nice view instead of being at the smelly street level where a hobo is flashing you through the window
sounds great. clearly you've never been to new york
I mean they already have several massive malls that do exactly that, there's tons of rooftop bars. Like I'm sure it's simplistic to say "just make everything a retail store" since competition would be insane but yeah it's not really as much of a turn off as you think
>go to grocery store, buy stuff there, all gets mailed to your IRL house
This should be the obvious nail in the coffin for "real world" VR integration
You go to the VR Walmart, spend your time walking up and down the VR aisles picking up VR boxes and putting them in your VR cart
Then, when you're done, you have spent 45 minutes shopping and don't have groceries for another few days
You'd be better served by going to an actual Walmart (more time spent but groceries today) or using the website's 20 year old e-commerce interface (less time spent but groceries later)
You'd have to be way ahead of the curve to make a VR shopping experience worth anything
Like, VR Blockbuster presented by Steam, where you can play demos of the games with the publishers resting easy that you can't pirate the game through your headset
Of course, doing so makes it way too techy for grandma and thus makes it a terrible market proposition
I imagined it's more just the Internet Historian/Jon Tron bit, the VR store is just amazon but with less convenience and an annoying video of some b***h talking at you. It's the issue with most these VR ideas, it's just "take something that's already works, and add the inconvenience of putting a Sensory Deprivation Helmet on"
https://i.imgur.com/9RUSMKy.png
It's over
Oh I totally misread that headline, I thought 45% now thought that it was a better idea and was wondering "what has changed?"
Because the meta verse had huge competition from a free program called VR chat.
If you've been to both you realize just how SOULLESS it is compared to VRchat. It's so... Corporate. I can't can't describe it. It feels sterile, like you can't do anything out of the ordinary because it would be too "weird".
I remember going to Venues and seing normal people talk about life, watching UFC, Skrillex, some Katy parry stuff.
If they can somehow manage to stall for 2 more GPU generations then they will be golden. The average PC currently uses a 2600x CPU + GTX 1060 GPU which isn't even close to running the Metaverse.
I hope vr returns to expensive hmds for enthusiasts, facebooks mobile baby vr is the biggest hamper on the technology, (not to mention all the normalgays infesting in vr now) headsets couldve been so much lighter,better res if the focus was on the visuals instead of craming a phone chip in such a small space
So they want me to go to work, socialise, and basically everything I do in my life except in a virtual world? While my body sits lifeless in a pod with a VR thing strapped to my head? Isnt this the exact same plot as the Matrix?
What kind of game developers? Obviously the blockchain tagged "your rhino hat will be transferable to all of your games!" hypothetical is all sorts of moronic especially for big companies that want to sell the rhino hat repeatedly. Cross-platform ownership is so frowned upon even GOG stopped handing out the duplicate copies for accounts linked with Steam.
>Musk is next
Completely agree. I don't give a shit about his politics, he just seems prone to stubbornly investing in stuff that hemorrhages money. "Too big to fail" is a real thing but there's a limit.
Tesla reached a market cap higher than all the big automobile manufacturers combined selling less cars than any of them at lower margins. They are all ramping up electric manufacturing alone to surpass Tesla.
It's crazy that he convinced people a car company is the next apple.
How was this managed so damn poorly?
the product is shit, so all these millions un budget probably went on marketing but any tech person can tell it is trash, and the only people who would be impressed and consider it revolutionary are old people who wouldn't get VR sets in the first place
Just imagine. With all those corporations throwing aways their VR headsets, our market will be overflooded with oculuses and I'll finally get one cheap dedicated for porn.
>good luck getting a job
Goddamn you must be a moronic moronic zoomer to not know who John Carmack is. That dude could get literally any tech job on the planet that he wanted.
>good luck getting a job
Goddamn you must be a moronic moronic zoomer to not know who John Carmack is. That dude could get literally any tech job on the planet that he wanted.
>John Carmack
You DO know who that is, right?
lovely bait
John Carmack put down his cat because "She was a net negative on my life"
https://plasmabeamgames.wordpress.com/2021/10/08/mitzi-the-cat/
>Masters of Doom tells us that Mitzi was ill-tempered and known to pee on things, but for years Carmack endured her behaviour.
I can see where he's coming from, one of my cats went senile and peed on the floor almost daily. I didn't put him down until the day he died but I can't say I didn't consider it pretty much daily.
>Tech sector is now in the process of pretty much trimming a bunch of fat
It doesn't matter how many people you have at a company, when a bunch of them are dead weight that cannot even contribute to a project, which seems to be what Carmack is implying.
>carmack learns how hard the churn of a major company goes
same bullshit at my fintech job. Wish they'd stop hiring dumb fricking pajeets. Only 1 in 100 are any good
Diversity hires are saturated in crab bucket mentality. When they see actual talent and drive among their peers, they know they have to sabotage it to lower demands and expectations on themselves.
Part of this shit is that "metaverse" homosexuals talk about how cool it will be to get item A in X game, and then proceed to use it in Y game and Z game.
Thing is, time spent in game X is viewed by the suits of game Y and Z as lost user hours, so why the frick would they make item A any good in their game? Instead they can make people who spent that time in their game earn item B and C that dabs on item A users. This only hurts metaverse gays, as they'll have to stick with a game if they want to stay equal with the other players, and metaverse games will only make basic attempts to integrate shit from other games into theirs.
Did anyone expect it to? VR was tried and failed about 4 separate times over the last 10 years. It wasn't going to, and will never pan out until we get something LIKE the quest 2, but lighter, cheaper ($400 is still enormous investment for most people), and more portable. At least for the "metaverse" that facebook seems to be banking on. For gaming, we just need GAMES. We need devs to actually release fricking video games. A token port, and one major release every 2 years is not sustainable anad is why the sales peak, and then crash right the frick down. People stop using their headsets right away cause they feel burned that the only shit worth playing is boneworks, H3, and beat saber, everything else is meant to be a one and done.
The move to standalone was a mistake. And they over promise. But I do think it is cool and we will eventually some cool uses now that psvr2 exists with passavle hardware and will drive money to more advanced vr games after the pcvr market basically died.
See my thought is, the lack of support sony offered to PSVR, they basically marketed at launch and the first round of stuff, but after ac7 and re7 came out, I don't remember ever hearing about PSVR again, in fact I frankly thought it was killed off, but no, they still make it and everything.
I wish there was a fair comparison to make but the vita was doomed from the start with the PSP being the most pirate-friendly platform to ever exist outside of the PC, cause it also suffered from lack of marketing.
I'm wary of the PSVR2. Hopeful, but wary. Certainly not buying one at launch. Maybe this christmas if they get a decent sale. Or maybe I'll just find one on craigslist a week after launch from some pussy who gets motion sick.
Thing is ps4 was really weak and trying to run vr on it was pushing it imo.
It could barely run 900p 30fps so VR was out of the question. PS5 is much more capable.
The concept of a metaverse as Zucc envisioned it was never going to happen. The idea of everything you consoom being part of a big interconnected online marketplace between rival companies is unbelievably moronic if you understand corporate mindsets at all.
Consider pic related along with the other dead Monolith games like AVP 2. We know their rights are split between three companies. People have approached those three companies trying to work out a compromise to publish them again and each one said "we aren't sharing, get the other two to sell their rights or frick off". They would unironically rather make no money than share it with their competitors.
There's a difference between a metaverse and the metaverse. Obviously Zucc wanted Facebook to be THE metaverse, an "official" online mall like Second Life or VRChat where companies would open up shops for them to sell digital items for avatars to walk around with.
I wish I could see that plastic autism android Zuck in person and just tell him in person no one wants to look like a fricking educational game in VR space.
Your primary audience wants to be robots, furries, and big titty waifus.
The real metaverse will be creator-driven, like VR Chat. Not corpo-driven. It will become corpo-driven after normal people do all the hard and creative work.
>borrow the term from some homosexual sci-fi novel >change the iconic name of your parent company to shortened homosexual term, and sink billions into VR division >inspire millions of crypto grifters to generate shitcoins based on metaverse hype at the height of the last crypto bubble >all the while, not understanding the social dynamics of nearly 25 years of MMORPGs >not knowing stuff like VR chat, project entropia and second life have been around for a while
i hope those involved who knew it was a sham from the get-go got to enrich themselves and left the morons holding the bag.
The VR googles were already there the moment they bought oculus. Advancements haven't been multi billion dollar per year like since then. Just look at the software. Why aren't they able to produce some decent looking software with all the money they are invest?
>the metaverse will never deliver on its promise
Enter Japan in a couple years where it'll be the same thing but with hot anime b***hes instead of this Steve Urkel lookin motherfricker and robot friends. itll make billions
Of course it won't. Their "metaverse" is just another VR chat clone, but more locked down and corporate
It's the difference between creating world wide web and creating facebook. It's not a "verse" but just yet another app
Here I am thinking how to spend less time looking at screens and actually enjoy real life and this guy wants to strap a display to my head. Lmao at this delusional israelite.
could you imagine a future where you work from home, but you need to keep a VR headset on your head for 8 hours and interact in virtual meetings
every day
this isn't going to happen for at least a couple decades because no fricking company in the world is willing at the moment to shill out money for a vr set to all its employees (on top of a laptop and whatever they might get already)
more realistically within ten years they might have some sets in the office to use for workshops and remote reunions (true words I've heard from the people exploring these options)
I haven't touched my Quest 2 in a year since I bought it and used it for 2 days. DLsite japs have abandoned VR completely for almost half a year. Westerners are just shitty partialism trash and furgay model posers. Hardware sucked wiener too, fresnel lenses are dog shit blurry trash outside of small focal center, god rays are bad, all VR games suck. It's a car sickness simulator. If smut isn't going to carry it nothing will. I will never buy into faceborg-tier hype again.
Ok NEET anon here. I have the trillion dollar idea that saves the MV.
Make a mod that allows you torture Zuckerberg in the most gruesome ways imagineable. Have him record 1000 different cries of pain and agony.
Everyone loves the metaverse.
>Metaverse? Oh absolutely. >Quest 2? Not likely >VR in general, not on your fricking life.
Everyone know meta was doa long ago. But Quest 2 is, by far, the hottest VR headset on the market. It's easily going to be for 2-3yrs. Yes, other headsets have better hardware, but Quest 2 has a ton of amazing 3rd party shit you can attach to it. And you can easily use Steam with it.
And as for VR in general. the main complaint people have is lack of quality content (which I absolutely agree with). The thing that's driving me insane is why haven't anyone, besides that Resident Evil game, figured out that there's a TON of old IP that you can easily convert into VR. Every major game company should be releasing dev kits to easily convert any game they have to VR to programmers.
People can’t even decide what they want out of VR. I’m cool with just a headset and ye olde controller like RE7, but everyone else wants either a direct brain interface (pipedream) or they keep moving the bar because just one more piece of equipment will cross that line from awkwardly flailing around in a room to deep dive VR.
Problem is it looks bad and is boring. The company seems rudderless with thousands of people doing nothing. Have clear goals in mind and for God's sake, make it fun to use. Have sex, violence, gambling and all other fun things that people actually want to do instead of boring meeting spaces and shopping.
Problem is, most of what it wants to do is already done by VR Chat, Rec Room, and maybe FreelandVR if that ever comes out.
If they want to lean heavily on the "hub for many services, all stitched together seamlessly into a whole new reality" thing, that's certainly new, but unless they release another Quest, one that weighs less, is more comfortable, has a better battery life and is still cheap (haha no), nobody's going to want to spend 8+ hours a day in VR, let alone normalgays that put the headset on one time and get nauseous after five minutes.
I don’t know how you can spend more than a week participating in online meetings and take away from that “yeah let’s make this process more complicated, more committal and more expensive“.
Just a totally moronic angle missing the target market completely. The entire sales pitch to the professional world is dead on arrival. Pros want simple, functional and interconnected. Metaverse is the opposite of all that.
I can't wait to see zuck give up and go back to his toxic ad platform with his tail between his lizard legs. He's been absolute poison for the VR industry and Facebook can frick off.
>sell stupid ideas to clueless investors who are braindead sheep and/or don't know the industry >engage in a number of practices that ensure that you don't hire the best >don't deal with corporate bloat >treat customers like money cows who exist to just stand in a pen and go along with whatever you push on them >in addition to what you do with your own company, also march lockstep with people who will gladly make the average person live in squalor if it'll strengthen their control and stroke their egos >surprised when it all comes crashing down
Corporate America collapsing is bringing some tough times, but I do feel schadenfreude watching our wannabe overlords devolve into infighting and backtracking as the money dries up, sometimes being thrown out with nothing but the shirts on their backs and a horrible reputation.
BTW, a good number of those overlords aren't rich, but they enjoy(ed) disproportionate influence over the decisions of major companies. Games journalists would be a good example, as would modern comic book writers. They don't get a golden parachute.
It's an odd thing about the current dynamic, where corporations are trying to find some fantasy formula that allows them to lord over the economy forever with low value interchangeable employees who can be replaced at a moment's notice (like woke writers) and authoritarian laws that allow them to litigate would-be competitors out of existence.
metaverse for gaming will be like WoW but not on shards etc
do you guys even know how lame metaverse is? its just a big, fast server, metaverse itself is not the threat, its applications are
People don't like wearing headsets, they don't now and never will. Even google glasses didn't take off. People hardly even tolerate wearing 3D googles.
>Even google glasses didn't take off
Google Glass did not take off because people were mad about having a camera pointed at them. Despite the fact they had cellphones pointed at them. On top of that the functionality was so limited that it made them almost less useful the the item it was paired with.
Until it gets "cool" its not going to be a thing.
Metaverse was a buzzword used to drive people into crypto frauds. Plus, VRChat, ChilloutVR and even Second Life surpass Meta, as the latter wants to be a whole universe inside its app but is too vague to deliver anything in return.
Metaverse value proposition is simply nonexistent. There is little to nothing to be gained from moving corporate and production environments into such a virtual space. In fact in most cases, it’s a detriment, and that’s without even taking the unwieldy goggle-head into account.
It’s only appeal is novelty, which is why stuff like VRChat is successful - it’s for entertainment and games. But you can’t reposition a giant company like Facebook to glorified video games, so the Zuck tried to sell everyone this asinine idea of “a virtual space for everything”.
They define metaverse as a virtual space where you can be with others, basically VRChat but with corporations and brands on it. They want it to go beyond virtual games and stuff.
I don't think the idea will dissapear or just stop being pushed, if it's not the Zuck, then someone else will take over, it's just the next step of us being virtualized.
I kinda liked the TGS VR stuff they do, I played around a bit laste year in there and completed all the missions, it was fun.
because all of the industry would have to work together against its short term profits and greed to build it and that's never gonna happen. instead of metaverse these motherfrickers will just build their own walled gardens.
>instead of metaverse these motherfrickers will just build their own walled gardens.
Yeah the world would be a better place if we just submitted to a Zuck monopoly
We need to stop putting down honest job creators
nope, you got me wrong. I was talking about metaverse based on video games not dumb social networks. I see it as a place that would unite all parts of industry including the big 3 platform holders and their IPs. monetization would happen inside the metaverse but everyone participating would be able to buy everything they want and use it everywhere they want, including real life.
It's a zoom/teams competitor. The entire metaverse thing is an attempt to solve the WFH question of how do you ensure someone's actually pay attention in a meeting when they're not there. It is all about recapturing "lost" productivity, as if most users would be productive if focused.
The metaverse as a concept is absolutely going to happen
It would be a fricking nightmare if it was Zuckerfrick at the head of it though, I believe the general public has a responsibility to not let that happen
It should have been Carmack
Sadly Carmack did some crazy mental gymnastics to justify why Facebook is a Good Thing (tm). He posted the logic on his twitter account shortly after being hired, in a vague attempt to ease his conscience. Pathetic really.
I don't even get this thing. Even if it turned out perfectly, I still think it would be just kind of dumb and not revolutionary at all.
It's why I don't really feel that bad for Carmack. I understand how incompetent facebook must be, but it's just dumb idea dude.
NTA, all I really know is of several lawsuits, shit like gutting copyright, and artists shitting on it, but is there anything more concrete? I recall seeing some joblistings trying to get designers who are comfortable with AI.
Unless anon is talking about its success, I've seen some pretty good cherry picks that don't have the real massive issues that you usually see so I'm not sure if it's actually progressing.
Though who knows it could pull an Autodriving and all the "just give it a few years" are just blowing smoke.
AI on an industry level is mostly being used to optimize original shit to a very fine degree and sift through massive amounts of data. AI art, VA synth, and that kind of thing are legal minefields.
It's not baffling. Zucc hires thousands of random morons and just throws money at them hoping they can somehow produce his extremely convoluted concept of THE METAVERSE. When he hires actually competent people like Carmack they actively push against his moronic ideas.
Yeah, even the Doom guy quit. It's over.
He's not that important.
What’s important is what he’s about to do.
I know this image is bait and I still took it. Man that burns me…
sarkeesian has a greater impact on video games than carmack ever did, and this isn't even a joke.
You are a moron. Carmack made a game.
Sarkeesian's influence only extends as far as modern western left wing idpol (a cancer on sustainable grassroots profit). Time and moving between culture spheres will phase it out.
Carmack's impact will always exist whenever and wherever videogames exist. In a thousand years, long after nature has taken care of the feminists, the things that he did will still be a part of the lineage of the work of the time, and people who study videogames will still know his name.
>Sarkeesian's influence only extends as far as modern western left wing idpol
Pretty sure more right wingers know Sarkeesian because they consumed media about how dumb she is/were exposed to that media or people talking about that media because of their social circles
She wasn't really relevant at all before people started hating her and hasn't been relevant for anything since
Doom was far more influential that anything Sharkeesian ever did. The doom engine was also released open source by carmack which also helped contribute to the development of the shooter genre in general. No one remembers what that b***h anita did other than grift, she’s practically forgotten. Ask someone if they know what Doom is and they’ll remember. Some people dont even know what the frick “gamergate” was
knowing what annita did isn't the same as being effected by the results. if you subscribe to the idea that modern gaming is as it is because of gamergate, she had a much greater impact
I dont think it had that big off an impact at all. The main flaws with the industry now are battlepasses and games as a service bullshit and that all started with horse armor dlc, if not earlier. The pozzed bullshit in modern games is part of a much bigger trend in global media that has all sorts of sociopolitical factors. The least of which is anita sucking dick for good reviews.
Gamergate was the vidya industry's first big sex scandal. Thats an accurate description isnt it? I have a friend who must have fried his brain consuming bread tuber bullshit about gamergate, because whenever I say that to him he says "well, acktually its a bit more complicated..." and then proceeds to describe gamergate as vidyas first big sex scandal. Its such a weirdly overdiscussed thing. People make it out to be more than it is.
>open Ganker for the first time in month
>see this post
>close Ganker
The image that spawned an internet crusade.
>twitter screencap thread
>Ganker filename
I saw this article on the edge browser at work. We're literally just MSN now, edgy anime edition.
Do you think that discussing vidya news on Ganker shouldn't be allowed? I don't understand.
He's probably under some sort of impression that he's "mAiNtAiNiNg ThE cUlTuRe" of an anonymous board of which your identity is not important, but instead the content of your posts.
That is until the janitors decide to be wiener smoking homosexuals and ban you because you're a wrong thinker
you're meant to take a screenshot of the actual news articles you lazy poofters
choose your fighter
the OG
>wants to make a snarky comment about the state of the board
>doesn't even know about the random filename function
what do you mean?
lurk moar gaygit
With GankerX you can enable an option that randomizes your filenames.
Never worked for me when I enabled it, I'll try one more time though
serial shitposters hide their filenames so you can't call them out in the archives.
People had faith in it to begin with?
Believing in it wasn't really high investment and the return was really high for what it would bring.
Basically one of the big ideas with metaverse was "private" ownership of virtual property.
Which sounds really fricking stupid, but if it did happen to take off and we were in some nightmare universe, the return on believing in that shit would be pretty nice.
They were essentially trying to capitalize on what Second Life and VRchat is doing and selling virtual houses and 3D Modeled porn and turning it into a meme token that people would use as currency between different types of media because it brought investors in.
I mean I understood the concept. People spent absurd amounts of money on TF2 hats back in the day. If the concept was extended and people thought that was useful outside of TF2, but the entire idea is fricking moronic and nobody would take it seriously unless we could all go into virtual areas like it's fricking SAO
I mean, a trillion dollar backed VR facebook could absolutely work. Zuckerberg just fricked it up big time
Not until 10 trillion is spent to upgrade all internet relay stations and lay fiber optic cables across the world.
>You need 5gb fiberoptic to play an MMO
moron
Welcome to the future, where games are the same shit but heavier
People aren't going to buy VR headsets to play Secondlife except for the few thousand freaks on VRchat. If they want mass adoption, they have to ether deliver something new and exciting or lock something necessary behind the use of their otherwise useless piece of shit. The problem with the former is that you're extremely limited by the realities of internet transfer speeds in most of the world.
I don’t think it’s possible to be that interesting until we get Ready Player One stuff with full immersion, body control and feeling. That can actually enslave the minds of people but this kind of tech is probably decades away.
People really need to watch their firewall when playing a game or watching streams. Makes me laugh when families have 20mb/s download speeds and they think the reason their stream is buffering is because their internet isn't fast enough.
>Americans are the primary demographic of this always online high bandwidth using MMO. (They advertised Walmart as a feature for fricks sake).
>America has the worst average internet connection speeds of all 1st world nations.
>a trillion dollar backed VR facebook could absolutely work
In Japan, Germany, and even parts of Africa...but not America. Entire metropolises with only two options for internet and lazy telecommunications companies capping bandwidth and data transfers.
It will never work because
>US Internet infrastructure is garbage and will remain garbage forever because ISPs purposefully gimp services and muscle or competition
>The coding complexity needed to even make an immersive online VR experience that actually lets you do more than the basic activities any online game with a social hub is far more work than any game developer would ever out in, regardless of the budget you handed them
>Anyone smart and hard working enough to handle it is programming for far more meaningful shit like NASA
The experience that would actually make people say "oh yeah, this is worth it" will never exist in our lifetimes, if ever at all.
>US Internet infrastructure is garbage and will remain garbage forever
Surely at some point they will have to do some major overhaul of everything. They can't continue to live on 1999 infrastructure in 2050.
>he thinks america won't be south brazilica by 2050
>he thinks the internet won't be a luxury along with clean running water
>he thinks people will even know how to spell infrastructure, let alone understand the concept
>south brazilica
the frick is south brazilica?
the israelite's greatest design yet: the perfect mix of Black folk and mexicans that combined create a country with all the squalor, corruption, violence, low quality of life, racial mongrelization, and class disparity of both brazil and south africa
south brazil is actually the nice part
I take offense in your comparison of US and south america, as a south american monkey, I'm proud of our ability to dehumanize, automatize and accelerate the bureaucratic system, and the fact every city in this god forsaken land has multiple flavors of internet providers, including 10k towns, already proves that US infrastructure is obsolete.
>They can't continue to live on 1999 infrastructure in 2050.
sauce
PPPD-481
HOLY SHIT IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS ONE FOR SO LONG.
All I remember about the girl was that she had huge bug eyes
Fricking pooland has optic fibres and 5G internet. Meanwhile mutts still acrape by with Broadband datacaps.
It's over.
It's happening slowly
My podunk town in Louisiana just started getting fiber optic a few years ago
Second life and vr chat were huge
Obviously everyone who's heard of them knows they can just play them for a better experience
And I'd imagine a literal boomer ceo can't wrap his head around an mmo and thinks its a big zoom call
>Second life
Second Life was never huge. It was an obsession with journalists/the proto blue checkmark crowd in that they found the idea of it being a huge thing narratively appealing.
it was just playstation home, and we all saw what happened with that shit. fricking nothing.
Actually while playstation home was up it was pretty good
no one really. Only zuck. Seriously who even fricking liked it?
some boomers literally never heard of a concept of a mmo before and its being pitched to these execs in companies like wow is the new sliced bread.
The people who said they believed in it only did it to get in on the grift.
If I worked at Facebook and Mark Z told me about this project, I'd do everything I can to suck up to him and be a part of the project, because it's free and easy money. Imagine getting paid to do nothing.
IMO a software developers wet dream is to get on a project that has an unlimited budget and timeframe and absolutely zero probability of ever going to production. There's zero stakes: just approve everything without testing, document nothing and write whatever spaghetti you like, it'll never come back to bite you in the ass since the thing will never leave internal tech demo stage.
Plus, even if a given Facebook project is a complete failure, the fact that you worked on ANY big Facebook project will always look good on your resume.
people? no, unless you consider people those gays who write overexcited posts on social media for whatever new homosexual reboot of old IP is announced (I have one, he's super cringe and, funny enough, a humongous metaverse shill for whatever reason, he doesn't even work for meta).
corporation? you bet your fricking ass they fell for it. I work for a huge company (just saying, multibillion dollars one), and they are exploring how to take advantage of this shit. take advantage as if there actually was any substance to it. honestly I don't think that eventually something like metaverse couldn't become popular, but now it's just a literal meme that normies even struggle to differentiate from a normal videogame. literally the offer to the demand nobody ever fricking had.
all this to say that this shit is here to stay for a long time. facebook is massively shinking because of instagram, and even the latter feels tiktotk's breath on its neck. so pushing this virtual reality shit is the way zuck came up with to try keeping the meta brand afloat
Never underestimate just how easy it is to sell dumb tech ideas to clueless boomer investors.
Literally start a company tomorrow claiming you can "triple the synergy of metaverse with complex fungible token relays based on crypto" and some boomer will be like "Oh frick, this is it, the trillion dollar idea!"
>A trillion dollar project by Facebook
>wtf this will fail 100%
Literally nobody could imagine how much of a colossal disaster this would be. Nobody. It's comical just how hard they have failed. I believe at least data catching algorithm has to be topnotch.
>People had faith in it to begin with?
People are incredibly dumb. This site should have thought you this at least.
No, but they need to pretend. Like any project involving billionaires.
yeah boomers still had faith in big tech, but not anymore thanks to based zuckerberg fricking it up beyond anyone's wildest dreams
I never believed from the get go. VR was a hard sell, frick 3D TVs/monitors outright failed. People put plastic disks in their eyes or take a small chance at going blind via laser surgery just to not wear glasses. It's just something that's never going to be.
Normalgays did.
No they didn't. I haven't met a single person who thought metaverse was a good idea.
not boomers, teens too. i am honestly amazed it never picked up.
Corporate execs are beyond moronic and will buy into any "next big thing" if you make a sufficiently pretty presentation about it.
It's part of
but also after shit like smartphones and how companies like Nokia literally died because they refused to buy into the meme or Bitcoin or AI, everyone will more easily buy into anything potentially new.
They had billions of dollars and John Carmack. There was plenty of reason to expect that Facebook would be able to set its bullshit bureaucratic corporate culture aside for a moment and just let the adults in the room actually get shit done. Instead they let sociopathic diversity hires frick everything up and sidelined all the actual engineering talent in the company.
Apparently there are a lot of morons that did.
No one really cared, its just the constant shilling and forced overhyping.
Its like Brie Larson no one likes it but for some reason it keeps getting shoved in our screens.
I don't think it will get that big but it'll definitely have its niche
>66% of professionals are moronic
That seems low
I know that "enthusiasts" (basically pic related) were wowed by the backing of Oculus and Carmack, and investors were fricking salivating at the idea of owning digital real estate in ready player one land, but anyone with any real understanding of either game/software marketing or development should understand that it's been fricking pixie dust from the start.
I'm all for innovators chipping away at the many many MANY unsolved challenges of VR, but the vision being presented by Meta is just fricking stupid.
You could have literal magic tech that is weightless and zero latency and you wouldn't see people adopting it for the shit meta wants because people generally can't or don't want to shut off their senses for extended periods of time. Ask a hundred people how they'd rather work and 99 will prefer in a room in their home on a monitor over in a fricking virtual office. Ask a hundred people how they'd rather shop and you'll get the same numbers.
I dunno, I think ditching our physical offices and moving our business onto a platform wholly owned by facebook would be a great idea for us. What could go wrong?
Jucika is perfect in every way.
Zucc watched Ready Player One and decided he wanted to be the villain from that
Meta collapsing is the first domino of the global economic collapse. Get ready lads.
what happens then?
>2 more weeks
>First domino
No, the first domino was the global workforce being forced to take 2 years off work because of some flu that only kills octogenarians and over or those with other severe health problems, destroying productivity.
Skyrocketing Inflation, Labour shortages despite engaging in mass layoffs, governments printing money constantly.
The dominos have already been falling for quite a while now.
Pretty accurate. Who would have thought turning everything off for two years would frick everything up? Yet another case of our lives being ruined by boomers
I'm still seething that they did it. Took a fricking lot away from us and expect us to still trust them. The one positive is through forced proximity, I'm now much closer to my family.
If your local hospitals and general healthcare system collapsed, I think you'd be singing a different tune
I would have loved a 2 year vacation what the frick are you talking about
So I won't even have a comfy VR world to retreat to during the Great Depression
What do you think the truck loads fentanyl coming is for? There is your Government compassion.
its an interesting thought that since the economy was astroturfed and based on perpetual growth, its suddenly fricked because consumer electronics and tech has reached a point that further improvement is unnecessary and impossible without drastic and invasive changes like VR or brain chips. the economy died because we reached a plateau
>Irrelevant social media site filled with advertisements and data collection the first domino
Lmaooooooooo
>one of the biggest companies in the world
>irrelevant
get fricked zoomzoom
The israelites won't let any big corporation from Silicon Valley fail, they're too useful for them.
For something to be over it would have had to actually started in the first place.
Nobody even knows what the frick it is still. VR Chat but for corporations?
>VR Chat but for corporations?
Basically yeah, the whole idea was stupid.
wfh was supposed to sell this but now corpos are desperately trying to get people in the office
>corpos are desperately trying to get people in the office
hell no I'm never going back
>articles saying how working from home ruined productivity
>most companies posted improved productivity
>articles saying it will cost companies millions
>most companies made money by not renewing their leases and not having an office
I am so confused
Everything everyone is making turns to shit. Investors are getting angry about that.
>Everything everyone is making turns to shit.
Boeing airplanes were falling out of the sky before covid started. Things are turning to shit because of the overreliance on temporary contractors because companies don't want to have real employees lower than the C-Suite anymore.
This,this is why 343 can’t do shit,contractors.
That has nothing to do with working from home and everything to do with ESG ideology being pushed and stifling creativity.
At my company all my direct managers are women or black and in a weird way I have all the power because they literally do whatever I suggest because they are obviously diversity middle management. Can you imagine how hard I work knowing that I will maybe (probably not) be promoted because I'm white?
I hate it, anon. Its like that everywhere and I hate it. It doesnt end until we start our own company. Lets open a game studio and make a maximo ghosts to glory clone that sells a million copies. You do the programming and I'll do the fun stuff.
'most companies' don't engage in esoteric tax accounting like a corporation
Being a tyrant is no fun without grunts to scream at.
The only ones forcing the "work from home is bad" meme is management whose jobs are irrelevant with working from home
Bosses won't believe employees can be more productive left alone than being watched over their shoulders no matter much proof they're given.
wfh means real estate israelites make less money. it also damages psychopaths who enjoy their job in management because it lets them control people. plenty of reason why there's an astroturfing campaign against wfh despite every study and all of the data saying it's a good thing
politicans get their power from taxes and bribes, big urban centers have lots of taxes and ways to bribe, waggies moving out to the country deprieves the politicans of taxes and bribes. politicans and their friendly news media liars gaslight everyone into a false reality to recover this money and power.
the 'elite', is not a coherent group. its different factions, all with different spheres of influence and pools of wealth. the citygays who went all in on their favorite urban center got fricked in the ass by waggies retreating to the woods. now they want the waggies back in their wage caggies so all the city-centric businesses and services can get their moneyback.
also a large portion of current profitability is literally fake. its created from blackrock loans, government covid stimmies, and other assorted richgay gibs.
If work from home takes off, it basically will mean the complete destruction of the concept of a corporate office, and if you don't have a corporate office, how can you come off as big and important? >:(
I work for a bank and they're happy with the wfh scheme. It was cheaper giving everyone a laptop to work from their homes than paying rent for office spaces.
That's how I lost my local branch
if everyone works fine from their own home there's a lot of middle management with nothing to do anymore and no reason to keep employed
boomers hate work-from-home because your job isn't legitimate unless you're miserable
>at least my work makes a difference!
>it's a bullshit job with nothing produced in the end
Always funny
VR chat but you CONSOOM while playing
VR Chat but even worse looking and more rules.
The metaverse is SUPPOSED TO BE the word we use to describe the blending of real life and the digital world.
As you might have noticed, we’re not very deep into that. Everyone owns a smart phone, sure, but we’re not all walking around with AR glasses yet (because they all suck)
There needs to be some level of integrating technology into the nervous system for the digital and analog world to blend. People are fast realizing that "VR" doesnt amount to much more than strapping a monitor to your face. Real VR will involve plugging a cpu into your spinal column.
TL;DR, "metaverse" is a fancy name for just interconnecting VR content all in one big hub, and you can viably spend the majority of your life in it. Real stuff, virtual stuff, etc.
>everything is connected to each other, all within VR
>go to theater, opens movie app seamlessly, sit next to friends
>go to grocery store, buy stuff there, all gets mailed to your IRL house
>go to VR race track, opens a Meta racing game seamlessly
>drop by your workplace, seamlessly opens your company's VR desktop/cubicle/whatever, whatever your IRL job has designated as "VR doable", like accounting or meetings
>go to a local venue, pay real money for a virtual ticket for a "real" concert hosted by real musicians/singers/whatever
>spend real money on a virtual version of a real car made by a real car manufacturer so you can get to things in your virtual town faster
>get into virtual car accidents, buy repairs, pay tickets? (Probably not...?)
>grope someone without consent and be locked away in VR for a length of time, maybe even have to pay a real fine?
>go to shooting range, opens shooting range app owned by a Meta partner company
>buy upgrades for your virtual house with real money
>name-brand furniture costs more
etc.
Horizon Worlds is supposed to eventually be the backbone of the Metaverse, though it's got zero reasons to be called that so far, and it seems like such a dead project it probably never will.
remove the shooting range and replace it with homosexual pong and pacman knock offs and youve got it down to a tee
>and you can viably spend the majority of your life in it
Have you ever actually used VR? Most people would barely survive half an hour without puking their guts out.
Even if Metaverse actually got made it'd drop dead as a business the moment someone manages to succesfully sue for ruining their eyesight by spending 14 hours a day in VR.
A metaverse that you can only use occasionally in your own home in under two hour bursts twice a day at most is worth jack fricking shit.
see
(me)
I meant "viable" as in it would make most of the other things you do redundant, so you can "live" in this "world".
Also, I personally have lower back issues that prevent me from playing VR for more than a couple hours. The biggest hurdle for Meta is to come up with a headset that weighs a lot less than the others, has a higher res and FoV to help against eye strain, and has a bigger battery so people aren't tied down by cables as often.
...while also being really affordable, somehow.
>go to grocery store, buy stuff there, all gets mailed to your IRL house
This should be the obvious nail in the coffin for "real world" VR integration
You go to the VR Walmart, spend your time walking up and down the VR aisles picking up VR boxes and putting them in your VR cart
Then, when you're done, you have spent 45 minutes shopping and don't have groceries for another few days
You'd be better served by going to an actual Walmart (more time spent but groceries today) or using the website's 20 year old e-commerce interface (less time spent but groceries later)
You'd have to be way ahead of the curve to make a VR shopping experience worth anything
Like, VR Blockbuster presented by Steam, where you can play demos of the games with the publishers resting easy that you can't pirate the game through your headset
Of course, doing so makes it way too techy for grandma and thus makes it a terrible market proposition
secondlife without all the fetish stuff
Faceberg metaverse was never going to work. But at least it torpedoed the company.
aka people Facebook paid off. Come on Zucc, we know your tactics.
This is the most astroturfed shit ever and I don't understand why. Like some power at be wants us to absolutely hate facebook's fricking SECOND LIFE knock off. Who gives a shit.
Mainstream media certainly hyped it up a lot back when it was announced. Bloomberg, WSJ what have you, they were really into this shit.
The problem is that if it became successful all of us will be zucked into a datamining corposcape full of ads
>all of us will be zucked into a datamining corposcape full of ads
Literally just don't use it like what the frick are you moronic? There was never a chance that this was even going to come close to working, and Zuck has outed himself as a moron who just got lucky when he made Facebook.
I do. Facebook fricking killed Oculus.
At this point I just hope facebook goes under. At least then, people could start hacking the oculus runtime on PC to run without login and to not require 50 million fricking registry entries just to function. They made it so needlessly complicated.
Horizon Worlds and Facebooks "Metaverse" aren't the same thing.
When you see these headlines about "FACEBOOK SPENT 40 TRILLION DOLLARS ON THE METAVERSE" they haven't spent all that money making Horizon.
What else comprises metaverse then?
It's basically a term for a gigantic conglomeration of different advertising companies. Which may or may not be accessible through Horizon.
Thinks like Fortnite, Smash, Marvel vs DC, crossover episodes are all also "metaverses" in their own way as they are a unification of otherwise separate fictional universes.
So this 60 billion dollars isn't just going to Horizon, it's also going to developing VR technology, shilling technology, and making deals with other companies.
Smash?
'Metaverse' used to be a term for social sims like Worlds.com, Second Life, VRChat, Neos etc before Zuckerberg co-opted it for his own tomfoolery.
theyve made some legitimately cool tech. they just havent done anything with it. if literally any other vr company was releasing promotions like this people would be jerking them off
That's because other companies have consumer goodwill
What us the purpose of this?
Remaking Boewulf?
Making motion tracked CG custscenes look even more soulless?
Nobody even uses their Webcam for calls at my office. I'm going to wager usage of a 3d scan avatar of yourself would somehow be lower.
>What us the purpose of this?
>I'm going to wager usage of a 3d scan avatar of yourself would somehow be lower.
You just have to scan yourself one time and you'll have your avatar for VR forever. I could see it being pretty neat for meetings and things like that. Imagine giving a company-wide presentation in something like VR Chat where everyone looks realistic, but you're all at home instead of having to physically go to the meeting at your job.
It's definitely going to become the future at some point in time when it's easily accessible, cheap and free of bugs/glitches/etc.
I don't think you are understanding me anon.
I know like 2 weirdos with their picture on outlook. Nobody is going to tune into VR when they only ever turn on their webcam if some homosexual manager makes them.
The company wide presentation will go as follows.
The person presenting will have a slide deck open sharing their screen. And a webcam on about 20% of the time. Everyone else will be muted scrolling tik tok or playing games.
>Nobody is going to tune into VR when they only ever turn on their webcam if some homosexual manager makes them.
The beauty of this thing is that it's just an avatar. You can look like a complete slob in reality just sitting in your pyjamas with puke all over your face after having a hangover, but your avatar will look pristine. It's basically just like a vtuber avatar.
>Everyone else will be muted scrolling tik tok or playing games.
Maybe for larger company-wide meetings, but that was just one example. You could also use this for things like D&D sessions, you could use it as a realtor showing off homes to clients in VR, you could use it as buddies watching a movie together in a VR cinema, online dating, etc. etc.
It just needs to be cheap, easy to install, easy to use, and then I could see it becoming very mainstream if some gigantic company like Google/Facebook/Apple/whatever utilized it. Eventually it will probably just be an app on your phone and then you put on a $100 super lightweight glasses like Google Glass that connects to your phone and you'll basically have full access to VR chat rooms on the fly ala something like Discord for VR.
google glass was a complete failure because they tech wasn't and will not be at a level to make it completely hidden for a good while. I think they were still using like 8nm chips then, we're at 4 right now, 3nm theoretically by end of year (though not ready for production in a mass scale yet). We'd need 2, or 1 to make glasses that can properly overlay and house info they'd need. Otherwise you get things that just look like fricking BCGs, like all those audio driver-laden "smart glasses", lmao.
Sure, but it will happen eventually though. It's not a question of it, it's a question of when. VR and AR is only just getting started. It will be fricking mental in 15-20 years from now.
No, it's not a question of when, the chips will get there, but the question is will glasses get to a point where they're wearable like that? Will people WANT to wear fricking annoying glasses? The answer is a resounding fricking no. The entire lasik and contacts industry exists because they're fricking annoying to put on your face.
I'd put more money in neuralink and neuralink divergent tech being the way forward (IF all that shit is to progress at all, of course), rather than HMD or external wearables. Just because I think more people would genuinely rather jam something in their fricking skull than wear shit. Also people have been saying VR and AR have "just been getting started" since the god damned 80s, the shit flops every time cause the tech will never be there to match up with the promises and idealized fantasy we've been fed for just as long.
>The answer is a resounding fricking no. The entire lasik and contacts industry exists because they're fricking annoying to put on your face.
That's because there's not really any upsides to just normal glasses though.
I'm 99% sure that in 2050 tons of people in first world countries will basically be experiencing AR like this daily - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
I don't want all that crazy looking shit in my eyes while I cross a street or look for my goddamn Golden Grahams in the store.
Why have an avatar of yourself? Most people look like shit and don't want to be reminded of it. None of that shit would work because many things you listed are better in person or the VR element would add useless horseshit to it.
>DnD sesh
Being your character would be supperior than being you by a country mile, and if your already in VR just go full ham in a VR RPG.
>realtor
No one with half a brain is buy a house that they do not tour in person.
>VR cinema
This would be an abyssmal downgrade to going to the movies in person. Just rent a movie and be in a discord call together at that point.
>online dating
VR would add nothing to this. The only people this would work for already are up to that shit and are fricking (literally) in VRchat already.
The only thing VR will ever be good for is games tha have a motion tracking control scheme.
>Being your character would be supperior than being you by a country mile, and if your already in VR just go full ham in a VR RPG.
Sure, but some people would still prefer to do normal D&D as themselves, rather than playing an actual D&D video game.
>No one with half a brain is buy a house that they do not tour in person.
Of course not, but you could get the initial tour online and then save a recording of everything, so you can go over all the houses you have looked at over and over again. Then when you narrow it down to which ones you'd want, you obviously go look in person.
>This would be an abyssmal downgrade to going to the movies in person.
No shit. It's an alternative for people who either can't or won't go in person. People who live too far apart, people who are sick, people who may have public anxiety, etc.
>VR would add nothing to this
You're trying to tell me that people on something like Tinder wouldn't want to go on a virtual date if the VR was extremely realistic with super accurate body tracking and they could do it instantly by just pressing a button on the app, placing their phone on a table and then putting on a pair of lightweight glasses? Hell, this could even extend to people just want to talk, like distant family members/friends/whatever. It would be like FaceTime 2.0.
>DnD as themselves
fair enough I'll give you that.
>virtual house tour
Doesn't really add much that pictures or video wouldn't already do. A 3d enviroment of a real space to navigate would require specialized equipment and/or software to create. I don't think it would add much over simpler means to be worth it.
>movies
I don't know, it seems to specific to be viable. Plus cinemas and video cameras have a bad histroy. But the idea of a fully 3D movie to be watched in VR where you can freely look about might be a niche for that. Or something like Hardcore Henry in VR would be cool.
>VR dating
If it was technically advanced to the point you say then sure. Doing that in public would make you look like a loon though.
I see where you're going with these, but some stuff hinges upon technology that may not come to fruition or even if it does may just not be widely adopted. A lot of people do not like VR or get sick when using it. More realistic than holograms and flying cars for sure, but still firmly in the Fi part of SciFi even with recent deveoplements.
>"y-yeah but": The Post.
>some people
>initial tour
>an alternative
These are not the words you want to hear about the potential consumerbase for a literal trillion dollar project.
>Would people on Tinder want [headcanon].
We'll have permanent AI companions as a flat out superior alternative to traditional dating/relationships long LONG before we have perfectly accurate 3D hologram models of people with fricking touch feedback via bodyscan.
These strike me as solutions in search of a problem nobody will use any of this once the novelty wears off.
>nobody will use any of this once the novelty wears off
People said the same thing about smartphones in the beginning.
What world do you live in where there wasnt a technological arms race to miniaturize computers to fit in your pocket?
I live in the world where the vast majority of people said that their Nokia 3310 were enough and that they didn't want to carry about phones that were any more "bulky". I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
>I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
Ah, so you live in a world where the ericcson and the blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time that defined the mobile market and created a demand for further miniaturization and streamlining.
A world divorced from reality, in other words. Or some kind of third world slum where people couldnt access/afford thoee things.
>blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time
They weren't at the time when I was talking about. Sony Ericsson P900 is from 2003 and I also mentioned Nokia 3310, which should have been another clue about the timeframe I was talking about. Blackberry was popping into mainstream around 2007-2008.
>Or some kind of third world slum where people couldnt access/afford thoee things.
I'm from Denmark.
The P900 was a relatively successful phone for the time.
The P900 was a success, you dumb mongoloid. and when future iterations cut down on its size, its popularity exploded. It wasnt
>It's just a trend, it'll pass
it was
>it's good, but needs to get better
Every single person I showed it to back then said that it was too big, it was too confusing, it was too annoying, the stylus was stupid, etc. and that they would rather just keep their 3310/3100, or some people said that they were way more into Nokia 6600(which was INSANELY popular at the time) because it looked better and was more user-friendly.
It might have been a success from a technological standpoint, but it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted. It was too early for them.
Unfortunately for you, your cute little anecdote about your boomer parents being technologically illiterate doesnt change the fact that the P900 was a success and later iterations that addressed its flaws made it massively popular.
>It was too early for them
Nice cope but doesnt apply since there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then. As opposed to VR or metaverse shit you're desperately trying to parallel.
>the P900 was a success
I never denied that it was a success. It just wasn't nearly as successful as other phones around the same time. In 2003-2005 Sony Ericsson sold a total of 73.7 million phones, and that includes T68i, T610, T600, T310, T300, T230, Z800, W800, K700, P900, P800, etc.
Meanwhile a single phone like Nokia 6600 sold 150 million in just 2003. The following year a single phone like Motorola RAZR sold 130 million. That's what's considered massively successful and popular.
>It just wasn't nearly as successful as other phones
Put those goalposts back moron.
I wrote "It might have been a success from a technological standpoint, but it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted. It was too early for them."
Where did I move any goalposts?
>it wasn't a phone that the masses adopted.
youalso wrote
>I specifically remember tons of people making of the Sony Ericsson P900, saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
And you've done my job of proving both of those statements wrong for me with those ericcson smartphone sales, and your earlier admission that Blackberry became mainstream in 07-08.
Trying to argue "W-well, it was successful, but not as successful as others!" is a goalpost shift simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then remains unrefuted.
>And you've done my job of proving both of those statements wrong for me with those ericcson smartphone sales
I'm sorry to tell you, but Sony Ericsson never took off. They were always at the bottom or 2nd to bottom, even though they were more technologically advanced. Like I said from the beginning, the masses just weren't ready for smartphones back then.
>simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers
You specifically wrote "so you live in a world where the ericcson and the blackberry werent the hottest sellers at the time that defined the mobile market" and "The P900 was a success, you dumb mongoloid. and when future iterations cut down on its size, its popularity exploded". Looks like you are the one moving your goalposts now.
What happened in 08 that killed Erricson? It seemed to be riding the boom with everyone else even though it wasn't as big....oh wasn't it the recession?
>but Sony Ericsson never took off.
>screencap shows ericsson's market share doubling in just 5 years and standing next to samsung and nokia, only losing steam in 2008 for reasons that had nothing to do with the ericcson itself
You seem oddly fixated on shooting yourself im the foot. Or maybe you're so desperate for a gotcha that you didnt think it through properly
>and standing next to samsung and nokia
2002 - Nokia 35.8% - Samsung 9.8% - Sony Ericsson 5.5%
2003 - Nokia 34.7% - Samsung 10.5% - Sony Ericsson 5.1%
2004 - Nokia 30.7% - Samsung 12.6% - Sony Ericsson 6.2%
2005 - Nokia 32.5% - Samsung 12.7% - Sony Ericsson 6.3%
2006 - Nokia 34.8% - Samsung 11.8% - Sony Ericsson 7.4%
2007 - Nokia 37.8% - Samsung 13.4% - Sony Ericsson 8.8%
2008 - Nokia 38.6% - Samsung 16.3% - Sony Ericsson 7.6%
2009 - Nokia 36.4% - Samsung 19.5% - Sony Ericsson 4.5%
2010 - Nokia 28.9% - Samsung 17.6% - Sony Ericsson 2.6%
In what fricking world is this Sony Ericsson "standing next to Samsung and Nokia"? Sony Ericsson is consistently either the lowest % or second lowest % except for 2010 where it was 5th due to ZTE, HTC, Huawei etc. entering the market.
plz dont remind
I dont think you're pretending.
Take a closer look at the 2006 and 2007 numbers moron
>Take a closer look at the 2006 and 2007 numbers moron
What about them? You think 7.4% and 8.8% market share are good numbers? Also, keep in mind that 8.8% is their absolute highest ever and it declines every year after until they basically stop existing.
>What about them? You think their market share doubling in 4-5 years are good numbers?
You dont?
>and it declines every year after until they basically stop existing
Due to reasons that bave nothing to do with the ericcson itself, as I mentioned earlier.
There's also the pointthat Ericcson's smartphone model was catching on with Nokia, Motorola, Huawei and the others, and that Blackberry came in at 2008 but at this point, it doesnt matter that much anymore since your "nobody cared it was too early!" argument is already in pieces
They started at 5.5%. Their peak was 8.8%. In what fricking world is this double to you? At this point you're just being pathetic. That growth is 3.3%. They are still 2.2% off from being double.
>They started at 23 million sales. Their peak was 100 million ales. In what fricking world is this double to you?
Fair point, more like 4.4 times. And seaking of pathetic, you're not even arguing about smartphones anymore in favor of nitpicking
>UHMMM ACKSHUALLY, NOW I WILL COUNT THE NUMBER OF SALES EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MARKET SHARE % THE ENTIRE TIME
And you're the one talking about nitpicking? Pathetic.
The market share thing was a cope you brought up little moron, I've been focused on sales numbers since
because y'know, sales numbers are more indicative of the demand that you claimed was non-existent
You dont need to try so hard to save face, we're all anonymous here.
>sales numbers are more indicative of the demand
No, market share % is when we are directly comparing them to what's popular or not.
>comparing them to what's popular or not.
Another goalpost shift on your end, as I called out earlier
>Trying to argue "W-well, it was successful, but not as successful as others!" is a goalpost shift simply because my point that there was a both an active demand for and an arms race to miniaturize computers, even back then remains unrefuted.
And just so you know, you've basically given up on refuting that point or pretending people didnt care about smarphones by now.
>Another goalpost shift on your end, as I called out earlier
You are just a dishonest moron. This entire time the point has been about whether or not Sony Ericsson phones were popular or not. You even tried to claim that both Blackberry and Sony Ericsson were "the hottest sellers at the time" when it was the exact opposite. They were both the lowest.
>This entire time the point has been about whether or not Sony Ericsson phones were popular or not
>saying that smartphones like that would never catch on because there was no real need for them.
L M A O
It's a good thing I can just scroll up to see where the argument started. You should do the same, you've embarrassed yourself enough already
>They were both the lowest.
By the market share ratio metric which is pretty meaningless since this whole discussion has been about demand and how smartphones were 'too early
You are a dishonest moron. My whole point the entire time was that Sony Ericsson's smartphones were too early for mass adoption, which is 100% backed up by their low market share %. I never personally said anything about how smartphones would never catch on, but this is just you being dishonest again, I guess.
You're just a moron who saw me write that OTHER people said they didn't see a need for smartphones and thus Sony Ericsson's smartphones never really caught on back then, but then convinced yourself that it was my opinion.
>Sony Ericsson's smartphones were too early for mass adoption, which is 100% backed up by their low market share %
But 0% backed by their actual sales ballooning and by the fact that smartphone design bled into the other winning companies leading to the popularity of smartphones themselves skyrocketing
At this point, you're just desperate because you know by now your little "Durr people said that about smartphones too!" parallelism doesnt apply to VR. They didnt, never did.
5.5% market share starting. 8.8% market share at the peak. This is among ALL the phones that Sony Ericsson had available. So the Sony Ericsson smartphones were probably like 1% market share at very very best, if we're being incredibly generous. They were not popular. They were not adopted by the masses. P900 released in 2003. It took until ~2010 for smartphones to become mainstream. Blackberry had 21 million subs in 2008, which would be 1.72% market share.
Anything else you're confused about?
>23 million sales starting. 101 million sales at the peak. This is among ALL the phones that Sony Ericsson had available. So the Sony Ericsson smartphones were probably like 1% market share at very very best, if we're being incredibly generous. They were not popular. They were not adopted by the masses.
lmao
>It took until ~2010 for smartphones to become mainstream.
As a finishing blow, I'll just leave this here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6600
Sorry buddy, but the whole "Smarphones were too early!" is just wrong.
>Nokia 6600
Wasn't a real smartphone. A real smartphone has touch screen, just like the P900, which is why in one of my initial posts I specifically wrote that other people found the P900 confusing and annoying. I even mentioned the Nokia 6600 several times in this thread as one of the best selling phones at the time and in direct comparison to the P900 because it was 100x easier for people to use since it wasn't a real smartphone like the ones we were talking about, see here
Because you wrote it off as Boomers Poopooing its necessity but it sounds like was simply a company with smaller market since even its more standard models still were dwarfed by the bigger competition.
Did they though? A Smartphone makes sense because it's just building on a phone.
>Oh you have a lesser laptop that doubles as your phone
It's convenient.
VR is adding a gimmick onto things that have clearly more convenient avenues, its only appeal is a clunky gimmick. You're saying it's the smartphone when it's definitely more akin to a 3D tv.
>Did they though?
Yes. Smartphones didn't really become fully mainstream until like 2010, and smartphones existed for a long time prior to that. See
I live in a world where it's the exact opposite though, every tiny increase of phone tech was always the hottest shit. Buying mp3s, slow ass internet, folding your ipod into a phone. I'm not buying it really. Like I can get reluctance for a cell phones in their infancy but "making your phone into a single gadget rather than carry around 2 different things? Never will catch on" seems like the most moronic bet and nothing like "very awkwardly centralize everything to this headgear when it's already far simpler to just face time"
>Smartphones try from the late 90s to become mainstream, succeeded by 2010 (probably sooner you're just a homosexual but I'll use your number)
>VR has been trying over and over since the 80s, possibly sooner. STILL a clunky niche hobby piece. It's 2023.
Yeah bro totally comparable.
Nobody did dude. Palm Pilots were already a thing. Blackberries basically took over the corporate world as soon as they turned the corner. The use case for an internet connected computer in your pocket and heavily in demand.
Also see survivorship bias.
People also said that about 99% of the shit to come out of the dot com bubble and turned out to be right.
Some people being wrong about 1 technology that turned out to be successful. Does not mean every idea will be.
They also said it about 3D Tvs, Theranos and Moviepass.
>Theranos
Who the frick ever said that about Theranos? I'll give you the other ones, but this one is just wrong. 99.99% of people didn't even know about Theranos until news broke about the scam shit.
>People said the same thing about smartphones.
Complete morons or contrarians maybe. Everyone else saw that thing Jobs was holding and said "That looks significantly better than my shit ass blackberry".
>You just have to scan yourself one time and you'll have your avatar for VR forever
>blahblah company has relased metaverse avatar:HD! all you got to do is scan yourself again for a newer, better avatar! pay up at your local scanning station!
>vidyagame company has a new mechanic that requires another scan, better pay that scanning fee again, anon
>Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you lose or gain weight
>Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you get taller
>Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you age significantly
>Have to pay the bodyscan fee if you lose a limb
>Have to pay the bodyscan fee every time you want to update your haircut
This deserves to be presented in front of investors in a manner that would make you believe that the speaker is explaining how to cure cancer! Get the inspired hand signals out!
Bread and circuses are what holds this empire of gay and lies together. A "second life" that billions take part in daily is the ultimate circus, letting you do whatever you like in the virtual world while the ruling class destroys your real world.
>but why is it lame?
Because the current "elite" are out of touch, tasteless, dumb, and have no real skills beyond nepotism and moneychanging. They sincerely thought Metaverse would be appealing because they're moronic.
actual moron
actual actual moron
truth
You don’t have to give a shit to want to see a corporation fail, the last time I even thought about the meta verse was when it was first announced.
Both google and apple hate facebook and they pounced as soon as zucc slipped
It's big linden pulling all the strings
Yes they’re called investors and they’re not happy about their stocks plummeting as a result of Mets burning money in a dead-end product.
>Like some power at be wants us to absolutely hate facebook's fricking SECOND LIFE knock off
That power is called "common sense".
>hey put your whole business on our platform
>no
Probably money laundering
get zucked
The only "people" who honestly believed they'd ever deliver was out of touch corpo boomers. The funny part is that they still think it's gonna take off
They're desperate, they smell the second life money printer and figure "YO WE COULD DO THAT AND MAKE EVEN MORE CASH!".
What they fail to realize is that most people don't want to live in a facebook owned digital world, and the people that DO want some sort of digital world already have what they want with the ability to digitally frick other people over the internet.
There's NO realistic userbase for the metaverse.
>they
Judging by the plummeting stocks and countless facebook employees complaining online, zucc is the only one who still believes it's gonna be a thing.
I don't care even if it was good, they want Metaverse to be the second "internet" entirely controlled by Facebook, frick off
>55% of games industry professionals said the metaverse will succeed
metachads rise up
Only 45%? Is a large share just unsure?
Isn't it kinda alarming that 55% believe it will?
>The promises of tech execs and crypto evangelists
I'm sensing a pattern here
That still seems a little too small. Don't these people remember Playstation Home? Having to have a 3D avatar to do everything is more of an impediment than immersive. Having many options trumps having many restrictions.
Playstation Home was cool
Only if you love Sony. I found it embarrassing.
Only 45%?
I pretty sure it delivers on its promise, it's the worst spyware know to man.
What the frick I'd immediately burn it.
What the frick is the "promise?" It's supposed to be like VRChat, right?
Read Snowcrash, that's the promise. But Facebook would never publish an open protocol that anyone can plug into and work with.
thank you for introducing me to this book anon, I'm buying it right now. Not the person you were replying to btw
>buying a 40 year old book
with actual money what the frick is wrong with you
>protagonist named "Hiro Protagonist"
No thanks
its fine anon. nobody knew what hiro meant back then, weeb levels were extremely low in the popular culture. other than the cringy name of the mc, its a good book. Hiro is basically a bitcoin millionare that lives like a hobo irl, but online he's a gigachad with the hottest nfts and coolest virtual home.
There's no promise. It always was a scam to soak up government/investor money and inflate the size of the company.
>mfw i work on this shit as a dev and am probably going to be laid off soon
sabotage it
do it
how exactly you sabotage a dumpster fire
by throwing water on it?
Make it spread to other dumpsters and nearby buildings.
That would be facilitating a dumpster fire.
If left to it's own devices, that's what it would naturally do.
FULLY MODEL Zuck's model
Don't worry, over 30k people are going to lose their jobs in the next 3 months across the entire industry.
What makes you say that?
Well, Microsoft just layed off 10k people, so it's already 1/3 there.
Google just announced 12k
nah you're gonna die a day later in a massive plane crash that noone could figure out how it started
Just get out now, update your resume and do some interviews elsewhere
Transition your 3d skills into making hentai clips on pixiv fanbox
In the off chance this isn't bait, make some sort of reference to the holocaust so it can at least be real in the Zuckerborg.
Unironically just move to VRChat, or second life
Hey anon, how autistic was Carmack? Always wanted to meet him
You think the big names work with lowly grunts? You think Kojimbo has ever even looked a 3D modeler in the eyes? You think David Cage even knows what an "animation rig" is? Do you think Miyamoto even enters the same buildings as his underlings?
Write a book anon
Throw everyone under the bus and live on royalties bucks
This.
Contact an editor if you don't feel like you can do it by yourself, they will get you a co-author.
Anon there's only one way to save Meta and you know what is.
Be the hero meta needs.
Unleash the hot naked furry and anime waifu avatars.
At least you will be laid off before you can be replaced by AI
It's ok anon, just tell your pals here the inside scoop before you leave. We can all become rich millionaires if we all short Meta.
What exactly did you do at that job?
get revenge by leaking the source code
why is the gpu utilization only 5%? is it true that everyone on the team are webdevs and people barely know how graphics programming works? also, release the furry avatars and people will come
Learn to build homosexual
Add dicky before you leave.
Do nothing cuz you know you will be laid off soon.
Don't you get a juicy severance or something when that happens
I would say, jump ship, but, every ship is burning right now, my recommendation, make VR porn games using a custom build of Neo/J-Chat, sell as a SaaS.
Steal as much data as you can get away with and sell it to another tech company, or do what
said and write a book.
>Laughs in Amish
And what is Meta's premise, even?
faceberg realized that they dont have control over hardware like apple and google does with iphone and android and therefore they are slowly getting cucked out of everyone's personal data. So they wanted to create an entirely new industry that they would have ownership/monopoly over and if people used it, then they could monopolize your personal data like apple does on ios.
>45%
Thats it god damn facebook must be sending out some large checks still
I might just be a contrarian here but anyone who thinks this is fricking stupid. These comments will age poorly. What they’re saying is like someone in the 1980s saying a cellphone will never be able to high quality photos, stream any music album in real time, play live tv, or allow you to talk with 32 different people at the same time over video.
*to take high quality photos
>These comments will age poorly. What they’re saying is like someone in the 1980s saying a cellphone will never be able to high quality photos,
this is survivorship bias. Most business ideas and future predictions are incredibly dumb and wrong. You just dont remember them.
Ok Zuck. This shit is stupid. Nobody wants it. We just want games to go back to being fun and affordable for everyone. Not this closed platform proprietary garbage.
Nah, Zucko's fantasy for the Metaverse is basically in the same bin as FTL travel or reliable nuclear fusion. Tech might be possible in our reality, might not. Gonna take a few centuries to see.
>mfw faceberg is gonna die in my lifetime
He can afford way more heart and blood transplants than you. Zucc will outlive you.
Why would an ayy need a heart transplant?
i don’t really have a seething hatred for facebook which is quite unfortunate because there are corporations that I hate far more than facebook that I would love to see go up in flames like facebook is right now
Yeah no shit.
Why would I want the meta verse and have banned for saying Black person
when I can go to vrchat and say whatever I want?
The metaverse could EASILY deliver. All they have to do is just make Second Life 2.0 with full AAA backing. The tech is there, server infrastructure is there, the blueprint is there. The problem is that these companies don't actually want that. They want a safespace hugbox where they can advertise 24/7 to everyone for money and nothing else.
>The tech is there
Maybe if it was entirely localized to individual urban centers or extremely developed, IT conscious countries like Japan or Singapore, but the connections available to most people in the world aren't anywhere near powerful enough to deliver realistic physics calculations or light rendering, much less anything near a VR simulation and anything less is just creating a less convenient Facebook.
giga-cities are part of the WEF agenda, the eu is already pushing this shit. And every so often you can find news articles of dipshit billionares promising to build ghost cities in the desert to be 1000% green, sustainable, meme bullshit like theyare playing simcity.
Yeah.
This is pretty much the reason why it'll fail.
You can have a good virtual social time over on so many other places with FUN in mind like Garry's mod or tower unite... Club penguin, habbo hotel, any MMO... Anyone that's familiar with games can sense the malicious intent behind the metaverse.
>Second Life 2.0
quite out of the scope intended for metaverse.
first of all, second life is a relic of an old way to intend the internet when smartphones didn't exist, when it was this far west you went to to fully disconnect from your every day life and pretend to be anything you wanted. nowadays this is something only weirdos would do; I mean even back then it was pretty weird doing it, but there was a much stronger divide between being on the internet and the rest of your day.
the web has been going in a very uniformed direction for at least the past 10 years, and it'll get worse sooner than better. so at some point unless you bother enough to set up fake accounts just to troll, any log in you do anywhere will be traceable to your actual IRL persona.
because of this, metaverse is intended to become the most sanitized and corporate virtual reality ever. don't think of it as the new second life because the similarities are very superficial, it's more of a bastard child of SL and playstation home.
tl;dr metaverse is intended to be a gargantuan shopping mall/office, with some minigames thrown in there. that's literally it
But how did it cost a 30 billions then? Because of the headset?
Zuck bought up every rival VR company he could. Hhardware, software and supply chains. He hired over 10,000 engineers to stop other companies getting them. Most of Meta's cost is to secure a monopoly.
So you could shop in Walmart in VR?
Amazing.
He bought another VR lens manufacturing company this week. He already bought like 5 of them just to stop other companies getting lenses. If you want to become a millionaire, just start a lens company and wait for Zuck to buy you.
>All they have to do is just make Second Life 2.0 with full AAA backing
Thats already second life though. IBM managers took courses for how to manage meetings in second life.
>game industry professionals
So israelites looking to invest tax payer dollars they laundered?
I dunno, people seem to like the vrchat
yeah they like vrchat because they can have sex and groom kids, not go to fricking walmart
That's why people stick to Facebook
You can't go to walmart in vrchat?
I know you can go to a mcdonalds there
How do I profit from this?
BUY THE DIP
Zucc wanted this garbage to be Oz from Summer Wars (link related, its seriously the exact thing Zucc wanted, minus the anime) or The Oasis from Ready Player 1, but both of those are only concepts that work either in moron fantasy like anime, or severe dystopian climates where people are ACTUALLY owned by mega corporations AND the technology is available.
>people are ACTUALLY owned by mega corporations
>implying that isn't the case already
Of course because we are now talking about the Metaverse Infinite, NFT 2.0 and Web4.
Who the frick thinks about the original Metaverse any longer?
Idk, the metaverse never had a future in the first place, it was like vr chat but made by corporations to make it feel "new"
It's a trap.
I ain't goin in that mafricka...
>Lowercase "metaverse"
>Literally every fricking MMO
>Multiplayer environments (Before intentionally sabotaging them)
>What they actually fricking mean is Metaverse TM (R) (C) (Cola)
>Even VRChat with alienating its own userbase for nft homosexuals after the craze died still has people
>FRICKING SECOND LIFE
I want every journalist to immediately get explosive diarrhea.
>VRChat with alienating its own userbase for nft homosexuals
I thought the big VRChat drama was them introducing awful anti-cheat?
The anti-cheat is healthy because hacking in that game just means making other people offline.
Sorry you got duped by a ddoser
It didn't, the previous anon is some kind of schizo.
Also.
>awful anti-cheat
Boohoo cry about it, game is better than ever now. Scripters were the most obnoxious homosexuals to be around.
>>Even VRChat with alienating its own userbase for nft homosexuals after the craze died
When did VRChat have nft shit?
even if this is a massive failure, which it probably will be, I'm still glad that there's two rich nerds (zuck and gaben) out there funding vr tech
It has literally nothing to do with video games though.
right concept
wrong time
we don't have the tech yet
just wait
Imagine if they had competent devs instead of diversity hires.
I still don’t understand what they are trying to do. They always talk about metaverse as if VRChat does not exist.
And VRChat survives solely on degeneracy and role play which Meta will never allow so why would anyone ever use it instead.
This shit will not take off for at least 30 years.
We simply don’t have the technology or even if we did it would be too expensive for the masses.
Zucc is finished.
>new york office spaces are a ghost town
>what do we do, should we uses these empty spaces in a new way?
>FRICK NO! tell everyone they must come back to work
I just don't understand it, these high rises are begging office workers to come back instead of trying to court new business ventures, a bad an idea but at least better then what they are doing is like floors of internet cafes etc, or a high rise with every floor being a different resteraunt, but no frick that just keep trying to rent it as office space
Starve the beast
converting them to something else would cost money, and even if it didn't it doesn't matter because office space is more profitable
it costs them nothing actually it costs the company moving in money, which they have to pay anyway
>Why do the subhuman elite of New York City have such utter contempt for their slaves to be at home and more productive rather than at work and ritualistically humiliated
why the frick are you singling out new york? its the subhuman elite everywhere that are doin it
While technically true, it's most true in new york.
I sorta understand it in a bigger picture sort of view. If office workers aren't coming into the city/ downtown then it means other kinds of businesses start to suffer and that can effect minimum wage workers.
damn that sucks guess they'll have to massively slash rental rates to get people to come back
>they opened up a new cafe on the 26th floor of that building, wanna go there?
How does that sound?
Pretty dope actually
>Coffee with a nice view instead of being at the smelly street level where a hobo is flashing you through the window
sounds great. clearly you've never been to new york
I mean they already have several massive malls that do exactly that, there's tons of rooftop bars. Like I'm sure it's simplistic to say "just make everything a retail store" since competition would be insane but yeah it's not really as much of a turn off as you think
I imagined it's more just the Internet Historian/Jon Tron bit, the VR store is just amazon but with less convenience and an annoying video of some b***h talking at you. It's the issue with most these VR ideas, it's just "take something that's already works, and add the inconvenience of putting a Sensory Deprivation Helmet on"
Oh I totally misread that headline, I thought 45% now thought that it was a better idea and was wondering "what has changed?"
Because the meta verse had huge competition from a free program called VR chat.
If you've been to both you realize just how SOULLESS it is compared to VRchat. It's so... Corporate. I can't can't describe it. It feels sterile, like you can't do anything out of the ordinary because it would be too "weird".
I remember going to Venues and seing normal people talk about life, watching UFC, Skrillex, some Katy parry stuff.
It’s a VRChat for normies, the problem is - normies would rather go to a bar and communicate IRL
Not even that. You can get banned for getting too close to people and making them feel "uncomfortable" in VR chat.
fricking legendary
riot cops get fricking owned by the mudmancer
Who was in the wrong here?
If they can somehow manage to stall for 2 more GPU generations then they will be golden. The average PC currently uses a 2600x CPU + GTX 1060 GPU which isn't even close to running the Metaverse.
I hope vr returns to expensive hmds for enthusiasts, facebooks mobile baby vr is the biggest hamper on the technology, (not to mention all the normalgays infesting in vr now) headsets couldve been so much lighter,better res if the focus was on the visuals instead of craming a phone chip in such a small space
>majority still believe it will deliver
>took this long for another 10% to wake up
morons will still feed their delusions for years to come.
So they want me to go to work, socialise, and basically everything I do in my life except in a virtual world? While my body sits lifeless in a pod with a VR thing strapped to my head? Isnt this the exact same plot as the Matrix?
>Isnt this the exact same plot as the Matrix?
Nah, we were batteries in that one. This universe we're being used to generate profit rather than power
Why can't they just bring PlayStation home and port it to PC? It would do gangbusters and function much more of a "metaverse" than this piece of junk.
What kind of game developers? Obviously the blockchain tagged "your rhino hat will be transferable to all of your games!" hypothetical is all sorts of moronic especially for big companies that want to sell the rhino hat repeatedly. Cross-platform ownership is so frowned upon even GOG stopped handing out the duplicate copies for accounts linked with Steam.
Feels good to see Zuck spiral
Gates is next
Gates already secured his bag and got out the game a long time ago anon.
Musk is probably next. Ofc they are all so rich none of this matters
>Musk is next
Completely agree. I don't give a shit about his politics, he just seems prone to stubbornly investing in stuff that hemorrhages money. "Too big to fail" is a real thing but there's a limit.
Tesla reached a market cap higher than all the big automobile manufacturers combined selling less cars than any of them at lower margins. They are all ramping up electric manufacturing alone to surpass Tesla.
It's crazy that he convinced people a car company is the next apple.
How was this managed so damn poorly?
the product is shit, so all these millions un budget probably went on marketing but any tech person can tell it is trash, and the only people who would be impressed and consider it revolutionary are old people who wouldn't get VR sets in the first place
Just imagine. With all those corporations throwing aways their VR headsets, our market will be overflooded with oculuses and I'll finally get one cheap dedicated for porn.
>jew
>highly censored online experience
>globohomo
of course it won't, even with VRtroonychat it still has a wide level of freedom, until someone troon pedo reports you for harrassment.
Sounds like their management is pure hell.
writes like a gay
good luck getting a job typing that one out
>good luck getting a job
Goddamn you must be a moronic moronic zoomer to not know who John Carmack is. That dude could get literally any tech job on the planet that he wanted.
>John Carmack
You DO know who that is, right?
lovely bait
actually got me. good bait
John Carmack put down his cat because "She was a net negative on my life"
https://plasmabeamgames.wordpress.com/2021/10/08/mitzi-the-cat/
Killing cats in Metadoom when?
>Masters of Doom tells us that Mitzi was ill-tempered and known to pee on things, but for years Carmack endured her behaviour.
I can see where he's coming from, one of my cats went senile and peed on the floor almost daily. I didn't put him down until the day he died but I can't say I didn't consider it pretty much daily.
>I didn't put him down until the day he died
wat
Din din din din din!
moron alert!
I agree, Carmack does write like a gay. No wonder Romero bullied his b***h ass.
>Romero bullied his b***h ass
Now tell me who got fired for being a lazy Black person
>but really, it is the more personal pain of seeing a 5% GPU utilization number in production. I am offended by it.
based
>Tech sector is now in the process of pretty much trimming a bunch of fat
It doesn't matter how many people you have at a company, when a bunch of them are dead weight that cannot even contribute to a project, which seems to be what Carmack is implying.
>carmack learns how hard the churn of a major company goes
same bullshit at my fintech job. Wish they'd stop hiring dumb fricking pajeets. Only 1 in 100 are any good
Diversity hires are saturated in crab bucket mentality. When they see actual talent and drive among their peers, they know they have to sabotage it to lower demands and expectations on themselves.
His talent is better used anywhere else.
I hope he creates an AI strong enough to destroy humanity
>5% GPU utilization number in production, I am offended by it
Heh, what a nerd
Part of this shit is that "metaverse" homosexuals talk about how cool it will be to get item A in X game, and then proceed to use it in Y game and Z game.
Thing is, time spent in game X is viewed by the suits of game Y and Z as lost user hours, so why the frick would they make item A any good in their game? Instead they can make people who spent that time in their game earn item B and C that dabs on item A users. This only hurts metaverse gays, as they'll have to stick with a game if they want to stay equal with the other players, and metaverse games will only make basic attempts to integrate shit from other games into theirs.
Did anyone expect it to? VR was tried and failed about 4 separate times over the last 10 years. It wasn't going to, and will never pan out until we get something LIKE the quest 2, but lighter, cheaper ($400 is still enormous investment for most people), and more portable. At least for the "metaverse" that facebook seems to be banking on. For gaming, we just need GAMES. We need devs to actually release fricking video games. A token port, and one major release every 2 years is not sustainable anad is why the sales peak, and then crash right the frick down. People stop using their headsets right away cause they feel burned that the only shit worth playing is boneworks, H3, and beat saber, everything else is meant to be a one and done.
The move to standalone was a mistake. And they over promise. But I do think it is cool and we will eventually some cool uses now that psvr2 exists with passavle hardware and will drive money to more advanced vr games after the pcvr market basically died.
See my thought is, the lack of support sony offered to PSVR, they basically marketed at launch and the first round of stuff, but after ac7 and re7 came out, I don't remember ever hearing about PSVR again, in fact I frankly thought it was killed off, but no, they still make it and everything.
I wish there was a fair comparison to make but the vita was doomed from the start with the PSP being the most pirate-friendly platform to ever exist outside of the PC, cause it also suffered from lack of marketing.
I'm wary of the PSVR2. Hopeful, but wary. Certainly not buying one at launch. Maybe this christmas if they get a decent sale. Or maybe I'll just find one on craigslist a week after launch from some pussy who gets motion sick.
Thing is ps4 was really weak and trying to run vr on it was pushing it imo.
It could barely run 900p 30fps so VR was out of the question. PS5 is much more capable.
>survey of game industry professionals
I hate facebook for killing myspace, they tried the same thing with the metaverse killing VR chat but people don't want a sanitized experience anymore
dat homie lookin' kinda sus tho
ONLY 45%?
55% is probably
>I dunno
the metaverse will flop before star citizen flops
The concept of a metaverse as Zucc envisioned it was never going to happen. The idea of everything you consoom being part of a big interconnected online marketplace between rival companies is unbelievably moronic if you understand corporate mindsets at all.
Consider pic related along with the other dead Monolith games like AVP 2. We know their rights are split between three companies. People have approached those three companies trying to work out a compromise to publish them again and each one said "we aren't sharing, get the other two to sell their rights or frick off". They would unironically rather make no money than share it with their competitors.
There's a difference between a metaverse and the metaverse. Obviously Zucc wanted Facebook to be THE metaverse, an "official" online mall like Second Life or VRChat where companies would open up shops for them to sell digital items for avatars to walk around with.
>Psi-Ops is trapped in IP limbo, on top of being lightning in a bottle.
it hurts.
I wish I could see that plastic autism android Zuck in person and just tell him in person no one wants to look like a fricking educational game in VR space.
Your primary audience wants to be robots, furries, and big titty waifus.
The real metaverse will be creator-driven, like VR Chat. Not corpo-driven. It will become corpo-driven after normal people do all the hard and creative work.
me in the metaverse
I swear, the dude INTENTIONALLY tries to look like a fricking robot.
He's a garden variety israeli psychopath that isn't very good at hiding his lack of emotions
This dude seriously ordered a toaster that day to pretend he eats toast like the humans.
>See human I also eat toast just like you nyam nyam
Who the frick just eats toast without putting something on it
one toast sandwich, comin' right up
God I hate Britain
Zuck has the biggest titanic in existence and won’t admit it. He’s going to down with his ship.
All I wanted was some more VR games
Why couldn't he just pour some of his infinite money into making some FRICKING VR GAMES
>borrow the term from some homosexual sci-fi novel
>change the iconic name of your parent company to shortened homosexual term, and sink billions into VR division
>inspire millions of crypto grifters to generate shitcoins based on metaverse hype at the height of the last crypto bubble
>all the while, not understanding the social dynamics of nearly 25 years of MMORPGs
>not knowing stuff like VR chat, project entropia and second life have been around for a while
i hope those involved who knew it was a sham from the get-go got to enrich themselves and left the morons holding the bag.
Facebook went about it the wrong way
Fortnite is unironically going to lead this shit watch
>I've been thinking of getting a VR headset for my birthday. What's a good setup and what are some good games?
did you intend to quote that
No I fricked up because I'm and ijit.
Quest 2 is best overall option
https://uploadvr.com/best-oculus-quest-games/
They shilled this so fricking hard. It was so obvious when the media bucks ran out.
Both of those numbers are embarrassingly high for "professionals"
Where is all the money going? Haven't they supposedly invested billions? While results look like some indie project.
All the money went into making the fancy VR goggles, which you can currently use to do nothing interesting
The VR googles were already there the moment they bought oculus. Advancements haven't been multi billion dollar per year like since then. Just look at the software. Why aren't they able to produce some decent looking software with all the money they are invest?
>the metaverse will never deliver on its promise
Enter Japan in a couple years where it'll be the same thing but with hot anime b***hes instead of this Steve Urkel lookin motherfricker and robot friends. itll make billions
Every time I talk shit about the meta verse to my sisters husband he goes “that’s what they said about the internet too and look what happened there.”
Of course it won't. Their "metaverse" is just another VR chat clone, but more locked down and corporate
It's the difference between creating world wide web and creating facebook. It's not a "verse" but just yet another app
>games industry professionals
Why should I care about a bunch of homosexuals' opinion?
Zuck better sells Oculus to Valve.
Here I am thinking how to spend less time looking at screens and actually enjoy real life and this guy wants to strap a display to my head. Lmao at this delusional israelite.
>Taking financial tip from a fcuking cartoon
lmao, dont these people realize that presentation is all that matter?
it was over as soon as it began
>metaverse
Meanwhile, MMOs exist where people just hang out.
I still dont know what metaverse is or what it was expected to deliver because the more I read about it, the more it sounds like picrel
could you imagine a future where you work from home, but you need to keep a VR headset on your head for 8 hours and interact in virtual meetings
every day
this isn't going to happen for at least a couple decades because no fricking company in the world is willing at the moment to shill out money for a vr set to all its employees (on top of a laptop and whatever they might get already)
more realistically within ten years they might have some sets in the office to use for workshops and remote reunions (true words I've heard from the people exploring these options)
I haven't touched my Quest 2 in a year since I bought it and used it for 2 days. DLsite japs have abandoned VR completely for almost half a year. Westerners are just shitty partialism trash and furgay model posers. Hardware sucked wiener too, fresnel lenses are dog shit blurry trash outside of small focal center, god rays are bad, all VR games suck. It's a car sickness simulator. If smut isn't going to carry it nothing will. I will never buy into faceborg-tier hype again.
Ok NEET anon here. I have the trillion dollar idea that saves the MV.
Make a mod that allows you torture Zuckerberg in the most gruesome ways imagineable. Have him record 1000 different cries of pain and agony.
Everyone loves the metaverse.
I hope every israelite, Black person and shitskin frick off to zuckerbergs metaverse and stay there forever tbh
Those avatar designs look so uncanny. Looks like something out of a horror movie.
>homies with no legs
This shit is worse than second life...
Not even esteban wants to be part of this mess.
what promise?
>Metaverse? Oh absolutely.
>Quest 2? Not likely
>VR in general, not on your fricking life.
Everyone know meta was doa long ago. But Quest 2 is, by far, the hottest VR headset on the market. It's easily going to be for 2-3yrs. Yes, other headsets have better hardware, but Quest 2 has a ton of amazing 3rd party shit you can attach to it. And you can easily use Steam with it.
And as for VR in general. the main complaint people have is lack of quality content (which I absolutely agree with). The thing that's driving me insane is why haven't anyone, besides that Resident Evil game, figured out that there's a TON of old IP that you can easily convert into VR. Every major game company should be releasing dev kits to easily convert any game they have to VR to programmers.
People can’t even decide what they want out of VR. I’m cool with just a headset and ye olde controller like RE7, but everyone else wants either a direct brain interface (pipedream) or they keep moving the bar because just one more piece of equipment will cross that line from awkwardly flailing around in a room to deep dive VR.
Problem is it looks bad and is boring. The company seems rudderless with thousands of people doing nothing. Have clear goals in mind and for God's sake, make it fun to use. Have sex, violence, gambling and all other fun things that people actually want to do instead of boring meeting spaces and shopping.
Problem is, most of what it wants to do is already done by VR Chat, Rec Room, and maybe FreelandVR if that ever comes out.
If they want to lean heavily on the "hub for many services, all stitched together seamlessly into a whole new reality" thing, that's certainly new, but unless they release another Quest, one that weighs less, is more comfortable, has a better battery life and is still cheap (haha no), nobody's going to want to spend 8+ hours a day in VR, let alone normalgays that put the headset on one time and get nauseous after five minutes.
I don’t know how you can spend more than a week participating in online meetings and take away from that “yeah let’s make this process more complicated, more committal and more expensive“.
Just a totally moronic angle missing the target market completely. The entire sales pitch to the professional world is dead on arrival. Pros want simple, functional and interconnected. Metaverse is the opposite of all that.
I hate these avatars
Why do these people think we want to look like pixar characters? kids these days want anime and big titty cat milfs
I can't wait to see zuck give up and go back to his toxic ad platform with his tail between his lizard legs. He's been absolute poison for the VR industry and Facebook can frick off.
>sell stupid ideas to clueless investors who are braindead sheep and/or don't know the industry
>engage in a number of practices that ensure that you don't hire the best
>don't deal with corporate bloat
>treat customers like money cows who exist to just stand in a pen and go along with whatever you push on them
>in addition to what you do with your own company, also march lockstep with people who will gladly make the average person live in squalor if it'll strengthen their control and stroke their egos
>surprised when it all comes crashing down
Corporate America collapsing is bringing some tough times, but I do feel schadenfreude watching our wannabe overlords devolve into infighting and backtracking as the money dries up, sometimes being thrown out with nothing but the shirts on their backs and a horrible reputation.
BTW, a good number of those overlords aren't rich, but they enjoy(ed) disproportionate influence over the decisions of major companies. Games journalists would be a good example, as would modern comic book writers. They don't get a golden parachute.
It's an odd thing about the current dynamic, where corporations are trying to find some fantasy formula that allows them to lord over the economy forever with low value interchangeable employees who can be replaced at a moment's notice (like woke writers) and authoritarian laws that allow them to litigate would-be competitors out of existence.
where's the sweet baby ray's simulator
metaverse for gaming will be like WoW but not on shards etc
do you guys even know how lame metaverse is? its just a big, fast server, metaverse itself is not the threat, its applications are
People don't like wearing headsets, they don't now and never will. Even google glasses didn't take off. People hardly even tolerate wearing 3D googles.
>Even google glasses didn't take off
Google Glass did not take off because people were mad about having a camera pointed at them. Despite the fact they had cellphones pointed at them. On top of that the functionality was so limited that it made them almost less useful the the item it was paired with.
Until it gets "cool" its not going to be a thing.
should have asked the Coomer industry professionals
Metaverse was a buzzword used to drive people into crypto frauds. Plus, VRChat, ChilloutVR and even Second Life surpass Meta, as the latter wants to be a whole universe inside its app but is too vague to deliver anything in return.
Metaverse value proposition is simply nonexistent. There is little to nothing to be gained from moving corporate and production environments into such a virtual space. In fact in most cases, it’s a detriment, and that’s without even taking the unwieldy goggle-head into account.
It’s only appeal is novelty, which is why stuff like VRChat is successful - it’s for entertainment and games. But you can’t reposition a giant company like Facebook to glorified video games, so the Zuck tried to sell everyone this asinine idea of “a virtual space for everything”.
Smelly
it literally is
t. vr shill
They define metaverse as a virtual space where you can be with others, basically VRChat but with corporations and brands on it. They want it to go beyond virtual games and stuff.
I don't think the idea will dissapear or just stop being pushed, if it's not the Zuck, then someone else will take over, it's just the next step of us being virtualized.
I kinda liked the TGS VR stuff they do, I played around a bit laste year in there and completed all the missions, it was fun.
the fact that 67 percent believed in it last year tells me everything i need to know about all the people in the games industry
because all of the industry would have to work together against its short term profits and greed to build it and that's never gonna happen. instead of metaverse these motherfrickers will just build their own walled gardens.
>instead of metaverse these motherfrickers will just build their own walled gardens.
Yeah the world would be a better place if we just submitted to a Zuck monopoly
We need to stop putting down honest job creators
nope, you got me wrong. I was talking about metaverse based on video games not dumb social networks. I see it as a place that would unite all parts of industry including the big 3 platform holders and their IPs. monetization would happen inside the metaverse but everyone participating would be able to buy everything they want and use it everywhere they want, including real life.
>He actually fricking WON
It's a zoom/teams competitor. The entire metaverse thing is an attempt to solve the WFH question of how do you ensure someone's actually pay attention in a meeting when they're not there. It is all about recapturing "lost" productivity, as if most users would be productive if focused.
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The metaverse as a concept is absolutely going to happen
It would be a fricking nightmare if it was Zuckerfrick at the head of it though, I believe the general public has a responsibility to not let that happen
It should have been Carmack
Sadly Carmack did some crazy mental gymnastics to justify why Facebook is a Good Thing (tm). He posted the logic on his twitter account shortly after being hired, in a vague attempt to ease his conscience. Pathetic really.
>The metaverse as a concept is absolutely going to happen
You're assuming a lot about the economic future that you really, really shouldn't.
Conventional economies as far as humans are concerned aren't even going to exist in 30 years
>try to insert yourself as a middleman
>parasite who does nothing and skims money
>zuckerberg
>israeli for sugar mountain
this really makes me think
I don't even get this thing. Even if it turned out perfectly, I still think it would be just kind of dumb and not revolutionary at all.
It's why I don't really feel that bad for Carmack. I understand how incompetent facebook must be, but it's just dumb idea dude.
Only 45%?
Like someone else said, there's always going to be a portion that says "I don't know", which isn't really a strong vote of confidence, either.
The boomers working on the metaverse have no idea vr chat exists.
Carmack is a hack and the only person at ID software to go anywhere with their life is christian
best thing about this picture is, the ingame graphics cant even match that absolute horrible comercial shot
Bullshit.
Everyone I know and my colleagues in the vidya industry thinks the metaverse is a flop.
>game industry professionals
so it's the opinion of a bunch of nerds. why don't they survey the chad industry professionals???
>worse Second Life
>you can't even have sex in it
All these recent cancerous stuff like nft, the metaverse, ai, crypto stuff, none of it is ever actually gonna work.
ai is already succeeding
No, it's a meme
NTA, all I really know is of several lawsuits, shit like gutting copyright, and artists shitting on it, but is there anything more concrete? I recall seeing some joblistings trying to get designers who are comfortable with AI.
Unless anon is talking about its success, I've seen some pretty good cherry picks that don't have the real massive issues that you usually see so I'm not sure if it's actually progressing.
Though who knows it could pull an Autodriving and all the "just give it a few years" are just blowing smoke.
AI on an industry level is mostly being used to optimize original shit to a very fine degree and sift through massive amounts of data. AI art, VA synth, and that kind of thing are legal minefields.
The fact that they advertised legs as a new feature of sorts, should be telling alone.
It's also baffling in a sense how this multi billion dollar company cannot make something even as visually appealing as VR chat
It's not baffling. Zucc hires thousands of random morons and just throws money at them hoping they can somehow produce his extremely convoluted concept of THE METAVERSE. When he hires actually competent people like Carmack they actively push against his moronic ideas.
>just throws money at them
he doesn't
the people working on this project had to pay zucc to work for him, they are working for free
>pajeets and bots chat it up: the thread
Cute anime girl
>gets a lucky shot 20 years ago
why do people even follow him?