>it's so much better than emulation!!

>it's so much better than emulation!!
ok, but how?
>dude, you don't understand! it's way better than software emulation, because it's heckin' HARDWARE EMULATION!!
ok, but why would that matter when the end result is the same?
>You just wouldn't get it. Poorgay cope!!

Why are they like this? Are they snakeoil shills or are they just coping with their buyer's remorse?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically what is this thing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      An emulator box that costs 600 us dollars. Edge Magazine did a massive feature on them including interviews with key members of the team and found out they're
      1) No more accurate than software emulators
      2) They don't have less input lag like they claim
      3) They cost a stupid amount of money
      4) They can only emulate a handful of systems and nothing beyond generation 4.

      and while we're at it, what's the most accurate GBA emulator? i've tried a couple cause i wanted to play the sonic advance games, and neither was anywhere close to how well my original gba cartridges run on my fat DS. is gba emulation really still that shit?

      mgba

      It's not hardware emulation, it's hardware reproduction.

      reproduction = a slightly different word for emulation

      >ok, but why would that matter when the end result is the same?
      Because hardware emulation is faster and more stable than software emulation. In software emulation your emulator has to share resources with the OS and whatever porn window you have open whereas with hardware emulation you make use of the whole hardware without compromises.

      >Because hardware emulation is faster and more stable than software emulation
      It's not. I saw matthewmatosis streaming alien soldier on an FPGA and the fricking thing crashed on him and he had to hook it up to the internet and download updates for it.

      >the same thing
      It's really not. An FPGA physically and electrically reproduces any hardware you define. An emulator is just a program running on an operating system.
      [...]
      The mister could perfectly replicate any hardware, provided it is well documented(i.e full logic diagrams), properly defined and doesn't require more elements than the FPGA provides.
      [...]
      That's the point of an FPGA. These chips are reproduced by arranging logic gates, timers, memory and other elements accordingly, while the appropriate clockspeed is generated from the reference frequency.

      >The mister could perfectly replicate any hardware, provided it is well documented(i.e full logic diagrams)
      >could
      Wow! Just like an emulator!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >reproduction = a slightly different word for emulation
        >just like an emulator
        No. A console's components recreated in an emulator is software. The same done on an FPGA is hardware.
        An FPGA works directly with the electrical signals coming from your controller. The only software running is the ROM itself.
        With emulation, you're running the ROM within an emulator, within an operating system along other applications, drivers, with the kernel at the bottom.
        These are fundamentally different ways to recreate a console. The end result is the same, you're running your old games on something that isn't the original hardware. The ways in which it's recreated couldn't be more different from one another.

        but its still software emulation. the thing runs fpgas that emulate the hardware the consoles it emulates had.

        It's not software emulation.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It's not software emulation.
          fpgas are fieldprogrammable arrays. they are a set of general purpose logic cores that can be programmed to accurately act like almost any hardware, the only limitation being capabilties really.
          it is physical logic units emulating hardware via software.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's not exactly right. The various elements aren't ''programmed'' as much as they're connected in such a way to reproduce the hardware you define. Software is only involved when translating the hardware you define into the actual on-chip layout.

            Why cant we just install RetroArch APK directly on Smart TV and play the games, why do we still need those moronic external boxes for emulation when the TV itself already have powerful enough computer inside

            My $600 gaming laptop does this, and I get to do laptop shit with it, too.

            If all you want is to play the games, software emulation on your device of choice is fine. The goal here is to get games running without emulation, on actual hardware replica of the original system.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              anon, you is dum.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It has a fpga chips, you can use it for military purposes, russians will pay a lot of money to get one right now.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wait im so confused. Where are the quotes in green coming from that you are responding to

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      reddit is that way newbie

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Who are you quoting? No one in this thread has made any of those statements?

      he's quoting the daily thread spammed about this junk, don't blame you for being ignorant if you've missed them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He's having a schizoid embolism.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    and while we're at it, what's the most accurate GBA emulator? i've tried a couple cause i wanted to play the sonic advance games, and neither was anywhere close to how well my original gba cartridges run on my fat DS. is gba emulation really still that shit?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      GBA injector and a hacked 3DS

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who are you quoting? No one in this thread has made any of those statements?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's not hardware emulation, it's hardware reproduction.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's the same thing moron. And it's clearly not a very accurate reproduction.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the same thing
        It's really not. An FPGA physically and electrically reproduces any hardware you define. An emulator is just a program running on an operating system.

        I'm really confused. I thought Mister was supposed to be a perfect hardware copy, but then I look at youtube and it's all "here's how this game runs on mister!" and there are random problems like you see with normal emulation, you'd think it would all be perfect, but I guess not. Not sure what the point is.

        The mister could perfectly replicate any hardware, provided it is well documented(i.e full logic diagrams), properly defined and doesn't require more elements than the FPGA provides.

        If it was hardware reproduction then it would have some variant of the WDC 65C816, the chip that the SNES and Apple IIGS used that had full backwards compatibility with the MOS 6502 (which the Atari systems used, Apple II, C-64, NES, TurboGrafx, etc.) used.

        That's the point of an FPGA. These chips are reproduced by arranging logic gates, timers, memory and other elements accordingly, while the appropriate clockspeed is generated from the reference frequency.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The mister could perfectly replicate any hardware, provided it is well documented(i.e full logic diagrams)
          Means that for poorly documented systems like the N64, Saturn, or anything that's not readily available in a solid, well-built emulator that's been out for 10+ years isn't playable, you're SOL. I'll stick with my computer's ROM collection, thanks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            N64 and PS2 likely couldn't be emulated on that board regardless as they have bonkers memory bandwidth

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >4-8 MB RAM at 62 MHz is bonkers memory bandwidth
              Yeah, maybe for 1993.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't know
                It's ok.
                Most people don't.
                PS2 and N64 had weird architecture with ridiculous memory speeds as a result
                If you want to know more feel free to dive into the emu documentation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If it was hardware reproduction then it would have some variant of the WDC 65C816, the chip that the SNES and Apple IIGS used that had full backwards compatibility with the MOS 6502 (which the Atari systems used, Apple II, C-64, NES, TurboGrafx, etc.) used.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have no clue what that thing is nor who you're quoting but you should tell the voices in your head to frick off and maybe you should join them on fricking off.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm really confused. I thought Mister was supposed to be a perfect hardware copy, but then I look at youtube and it's all "here's how this game runs on mister!" and there are random problems like you see with normal emulation, you'd think it would all be perfect, but I guess not. Not sure what the point is.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ok, but why would that matter when the end result is the same?
    Because hardware emulation is faster and more stable than software emulation. In software emulation your emulator has to share resources with the OS and whatever porn window you have open whereas with hardware emulation you make use of the whole hardware without compromises.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Looks cool as frick, I want one

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lotta poorgay cope ITT

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Soo...whats this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically what is this thing

      It's an overpriced emu box.
      The board at its core is capable of physically recreating a large variety of older board configurations, which means that if the people programming the "emulator" for the board actually understand every single piece of the original chip/board then they can recreate it to the point where there's functionally no difference between the original hardware and the physical emulation. It only works on very old systems (memory bandwidth is a b***h).

      The benefits over software emulation on a PC or even just a Pi are minimal and highly specific, and while it's cheaper than buying each individual console that it can emulate and modding them to have digital outputs it's so much more expensive than PC emu that I honestly can't imagine a single person actually getting a good deal for this thing. I also imagine the kind of absolute sperg that can't stand anything but cycle-accurate emulation would prefer real hardware over this thing.

      It certainly is a neat novelty, though, and a great project for the people actually involved in reverse engineering these chips/boards.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why have there been multiple mister smear threads today
    did someone pay for an anti shill campaign

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    but its still software emulation. the thing runs fpgas that emulate the hardware the consoles it emulates had.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the thing is these are only relevant cause sooner or later Carts and discs are gonna deteriorate and not be usable anymore. I can only validate purchasing one if they put N64 on it, for me anyway everything else is just a plus

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      id only purchase one if they can emulate everything accurately up to PS2 and gc/wii.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean wii's and PS2's are still usable with mods cause you can just do everything via an M.2 drive now or HDD. I can see N64 etc cause they are already doing PS1 and Dreamcast if I remember, only thing is the boards are getting expensive

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My $600 gaming laptop does this, and I get to do laptop shit with it, too.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >snakeoil shills
    It’s just this. People get all cargo-culty about hardware circuits because they don’t understand them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      so FPGAs are useless?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        For the end user, pretty much. Software emulation is "good enough" and more convenient.

        anon, you is dum.

        In what regard? Which part of my post comes off as stupid or wrong?

        I don't have any problem with these existing, and I might actually look into them when the tech gets a little older and they can accurately reproduce more complex consoles because the idea is cool, but if all you want is to play the games, without regard for physical media you own, just use your damn PC you already have.

        The goal here is to do for console hardware what decompilation projects do for console software.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >emulation is good enough
          that's not for you to decide

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's for everyone to decide for themselves, and emulation has proven to be good enough for plenty of people, that guy included.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why cant we just install RetroArch APK directly on Smart TV and play the games, why do we still need those moronic external boxes for emulation when the TV itself already have powerful enough computer inside

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you play on an actual CRT retroarch is better because the filters will make it look more authentic even if the rest of the emulation is not 100%.
    And if you play on an actual CRT why wouldn't you use actual modded hardware?
    Who is this for?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's for people focused on the long-term preservation of older games after the original hardware is no longer usable for whatever reason
      As far as I can tell it really serves no purpose as an actual commercial product. 99.9999% of people will get better results from freely available software emu and the tiny group of people that care about cycle-accurate emu while playing will just buy the original hardware

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cycle accuracy and very low input lag to non existant if you use the right controller or just snac ( it's below 1 ms ), also no audio lag on this, it's the most stable and reliable thing out there to play retro games, speed doesn't fluctuate at all, like not a single time at all. So you are playing any game at the original console clock speed constantly without even a single miss step ( IF your TV/monitor support the various refresh rate it send, which will be fine for the most modern one)

        Another advantage is for people that want to use real hardware accessories on this, you can connect pretty much everything.
        You can even connect a real game boy and play a multiplayer game.
        This thing go beyond than just being cycle accurate.

        Now I would have recommended this to anybody two years ago, but that was before the price increase, back then you could have the main fpga board below 100$.
        Currently... not really sure, I still love this thing, but with the current price it's less worth to be honest.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have any problem with these existing, and I might actually look into them when the tech gets a little older and they can accurately reproduce more complex consoles because the idea is cool, but if all you want is to play the games, without regard for physical media you own, just use your damn PC you already have.

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