It's time to settle the debate over the origin of Paradox Pokemon once and for all.

It's time to settle the debate over the origin of Paradox Pokemon once and for all.
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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Legendaries aren't unique individuals. They're just very rare Pokémon species.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Some are unique and most aren't.

      Magearna is one of a kind lore wise for example.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How can Iron Bundle be from the future if it was made thousands of years ago by an ancient civilization?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're implying the future can't have an ancient civilization?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        who is trying to argue that the alternate version dex entries are accurate to the mons and not just in-universe speculation of people trying to justify the appearance of what is for all intents and purposes an in-universe cryptid sighting

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thousands of years ago from 10000 years in the future is still thousands of years in the future.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Complete headcanon disproven by just playing t.net games.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'd make a list of Lege daries and Mythicals that aren't unique:
      >Kanto/Galar bird trio
      We are shown multiple of these
      >Lugia
      Again we are shown a baby in the anime amd multiple different ones in the games
      >Lati twins
      They have their assigned genders too. If legendaries ever get breeding groups these two are the first on that list.
      >Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza
      We are shown multiple in the games and anime, with some in the anime being oversized. So let's assume that the ones in Hoenn are alphas of their species. Makes more sense if there are around 200 rayquaza guarding the planets orbit from meteors/aliens.
      >Geenie quartet.
      They act like seasonal migratory bird so any spot on the planet that has seasons has them as well.
      >Zarude
      Shown multiple in the anime amd shown with parental instincts so they reproduce.
      >Sogaleo/Lunala
      Quite literally shove a baby of their kind in your face during the whole story. Sogaleo is the male and Lunala the female.
      >Zeraora
      This one should have been a pseudolegendary line. Again we know there are multiple of them.
      >Galar duo
      These two dogs are again a breeding species...
      >The motorbike dragons
      This is a case of nu gamefreak but since the whole deal is future/past cyclizar and there are multiple shown in game let's go with the fact that they obviously breed.

      So the ones i'd like to add into the artificial creation group/cloning reproduction:
      >Mewtwo
      >Golems (created by Regigigas)
      >Malicious 4 from Paldea
      Likely some ghost spore thing going on with them. Only they mutated into item based lifeforms and drark types instead due to human evils.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >anime

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        (created by Regigigas)
        Quite a few Regis appear in different locations so there are more than one.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Quite a few Regis appear in different locations so there are more than one.

          this i'm pretty sure regigigas created like many golems of the same type just distributed in different regions hence the different temples around the pokemon world

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This whole post is bullshit but I think "200 Rayquazas" is so bad it's funny.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I meanthere's a whole planet to guard over. Why would one skydragon not wamt to laze around?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because Pokemon are capable of performing ridiculous feats like flying around the globe in under day. All of your reasoning is based off of either the anime, which is a non-canon clusterfrick, spinoffs, which do their own shit, or awful reasoning like every place with seasons having Genies.
            Unless it's directly confirmed there are more than one of any legendary (like it is with the Latis, where the Pokedex explicitly mentions a herd), there is only one of each. We only get 'multiple' of them for gameplay purposes, because it'd be stupid as frick if the only way to get a Lugia is if you transferred the one from HGSS to the Switch. If you unironically think there's another Kyogre chilling in a cave in bumfrick Johto when just one of the fricking things could end the world, you're a moron.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          At the very least there must be two Rayquazas in the world to account for you and your opponent having one.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Who is "your opponent"?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The other person you are battling against that may also have rayquaza on their team

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        there is really no reason for most mythicals except for like arceus obviously to be one of a kind.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Some other details

        >Lati
        Described as making herds in one of the dex entries, and there were shown to be multiples of them in the movie.

        >Genies
        These guys are probably one of a kind. Cogita explains that they will basically allow themselves to be caught despite being embodiments of nature, because they can and will outlive their trainers. The explanation follows that the ones in Hisui are the exact same ones in Unova too, as it mentions them crossing the ocean and migrating from region to region depending on the seasons.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Also worth mentioning that Heatran and Cresselia are gendered legendaries.

        I seem to recall something about Zacian being implied female and Zamazenta being implied male, but they're treated as genderless.

        Pokémon Go also makes a point of showing nearly all legendary Pokémon and many mythical Pokémon hatching from raid eggs. Their egg groups are unknown, but they do hatch from eggs. Even stuff like Mewtwo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The anime isn't canon.
        The Battle Tree afaik is the last Battle Facility to have set restrictions on what you can enter.
        So as of Gen 7 these are all confirmed to be unique. Any other Legendaries probably aren't unless they were overlooked.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >cosmog line
          >Phione
          >Diancie
          >unique

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Phione is meant to be an Easter Egg only the DPPt player ever finds out about.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      correct
      best example is banette. normally it would evolve from shuppet. but lorewise there are some that become alive from abandoned dolls as shown in one of the latest anime episodes

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever thought that maybe Ho-oh decided to resurrect the dogs in the image of the Paradoxes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No.

      You're implying the future can't have an ancient civilization?

      Then it would be in Scarlet.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, in the future, ancient civilization can mean anything, for all we know, Iron Bundle could be a modern creative

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Its not.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why would it do that?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know, maybe Walking Wake protected it one time in the past and wanted to keep its legacy

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anons it's not even debatable abou paradox delibird origin the whole region has that delibird's gift shop and in both versions the boxes of the shop can be foound in sada/turo lab

    if the imagination theory is correct this influenced the creation of iron bundles

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking a poll will resolve anything
    It'll just be botted and then the "winners" will claim that everything was completely normal and proves they're right. Just like every other slightly controversial poll on this board.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cope.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >timeschizo when he makes another poll that doesn't go his way and spends several weeks trying to justify the results

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Like clockwork.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    After Khu's post I've been thinking maybe Terapagos snatches stuff from alternate dimensions or something but either way it's literally anything but time travel or we wouldnt be going back to area zero

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Atlantis
    ???

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's a thirdway theory that suggests it being neither time travel or imagination, but an ancient civilization.
      >Orichalcum Pulse used as the name for Koraidon's ability, with Orichalcum itself being a rare mineral said to be found in Atlantis
      >Area Zero is called Atlantis in the files
      >Blueberry Facility is underwater like Atlantis
      >Iron Bundle is said to come from an ancient civilization yet is from the future
      >Terapagos is based off of the Minogame, a creature said in the tale of Urashima Taro to escort the titular character to an undersea kingdom.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In older sources before the influence of chinks from Tang dynasty, the turtle was actually the heroine that bring Urashimako to a hidden land underwater said to be Hōrai, a mystical place said to be a paradise. Interpretation of the land spread in Japan had the mysterious land as the harbor of lost souls, so visitors would be able to get knowledge of the ancient and where your heart can't grow old so long they don't desire. Also, you forget a remnant of civilization in the form of metal slab from unknown property that has writting on it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Holy frick

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What was the difference between strawpoll.com and strawpoll.me? .me no longer exists, but when it did, I remember it being more popular than .com.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The results of the poll are proof that a couple of contrarians does not represent the popular opinion of /vp/ and are instead a loud minority

      strawpoll.me was basically the same thing except the poll looked like a yellow lined sheet of paper

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The results of the poll are proof that a couple of contrarians does not represent the popular opinion of /vp/ and are instead a loud minority
        I mean, we knew that from the start. Why do you think no one can actually explain the imagination theory without contradicting themselves.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's been months and not one timegay has explained how heath saw a raidon

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            he didn't sada/turo created them based on heath's cyclizar as a trust-worthy companion that's why they're motorcycle

            meanwhile winged king and iron serpent aren't they're by the AI hearthless and cold like robots and incapable of "affection" that's why they don't turn into motorcycles

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ehhhh, maybe. It's worth noting that the second Raidon is aggressive the same way all the other paradox Pokemon are described to be. I think the first Raidon came out "wrong" somehow, maybe like you described, it was based off Heath's cool cyclizar bro.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah sada/turo wanted a cool-dinosaur friends as well and came out "wrong" meanwhile winged king and iron serpent are the accurate description

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Makes sense, I think when terapagos grants a wish and generates a pokemon, it takes the wish maker's sanity (or does something to their brain idk) as payment, that's why the professor seems to go insane immediately after the first Raidon is summoned. Arven's other parent is noted to leave right after Arven is born, and the prof gets the first Raidon while they were expecting Arven, so it couldn't have even been a year before the prof went batshit full time machine mode since they were a shit parent to Arven even with only the Raidon summoned.
                By the time we get the other paradoxes, the proffessor's (and therefore the ai) brain is so fried that all the paradox mons are just buttholes including the second raidon who kills them outright.

                That's moronic, they're both identical lmao

                They look the same but your bikedog behaves completely differently from the second one, even the professor says its aggressive compared to the first.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Did you play the game? It showed zero aggression towards the AI. The game tells you 4 times it's territorial.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why does it need to be aggressive to the AI specifically to be labelled aggressive? It beats your Raidon and kicks it out of Area Zero and gets the original professor killed while he was at it. He doesn't need to actively go after humans to be an aggressive Pokemon, as the attack the OG professor took was meant for your doglizard. Why are you even arguing on this point of all things?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's moronic headcanon that she "imagined the pokemon wrong" lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                But you can't deny there's a very marked difference between your personal Raidon and the second one, your Raidon is the only paradoxmon that's not hostile toward you or anyone else, meanwhile the rest are so bad that the plot demands you stop them before they take over Paldea.
                Think of it like this:
                OG Raidon was imagined as a travel companion based off Heath's Cyclizar.
                Second Raidon was imagined as the Winged King/Iron Serpent based off Heath's description in the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                All of the paradox pokemon I've caught aren't aggressive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Player character has balls of steel and can make any Pokemon heel, not an argument.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                pure schizo head canon, can't even argue your opinion with facts

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's a fact that all Pokemon obey the player and you don't hear a pip out of even the butthole Raidon after you catch him. Meanwhile the game says the Paradox Mons are aggressive and will ruin Paldea if left alone. Cope time troony.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Damn that's crazy the professor didn't just imagine them to not destroy paldea huh

                >territorial
                peculiar way of calling it bloodthirsty bully despite bikedog's submissive behavior the winged king persists to no avail

                as for the AI it was showing a certain aggression towards her too but robosada was like "shut yo mouth b***h get back in your ball"

                >as for the AI it was showing a certain aggression towards her too
                No she wasn't moron. It literally walked in the room and she recalled it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Professor was fricking insane and didn't consider the Pokemon's behavior a problem, we know this from playing the game. I don't get why you're insistent on arguing stuff stated by multiple characters.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >why are you arguing my schizo headcanon?
                moron. you ever wonder why no one has tried making this argument until now? it's because it's fricking stupid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no arguments, only name calling
                Have a smug anime girl.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Professor was fricking insane and didn't consider the Pokemon's behavior a problem
                Black person their whole idea was a paradise where they could live with their family in peace.
                No amount of insanity can turn that into violence.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And yet after the first Raidon was summoned they immediately stopped giving a shit about their family, Arven was neglected and the outright abandoned when the Raidon couldn't live in the lighthouse anymore. The professor clearly lost fight of their original goal in favor of getting their special Pokemon from the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >And yet after the first Raidon was summoned they immediately stopped giving a shit about their family
                No, not even close
                >I've successfully brought more and more ancient Pokémon to our time since the first one.
                >I'm so close to creating a world like the one in the book—a paradise where we three can live happily together forever. I must make it real.
                They were thinking about their family after the first Raidon came through.

                It's honestly not worth talking to you people, you come to lore threads but know nothing about the lore.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >OG Raidon was imagined as a travel companion based off Heath's Cyclizar.
                >Second Raidon was imagined as the Winged King/Iron Serpent based off Heath's description in the book.
                That's so fricking stupid.
                It can't be both under the imagination theory because
                1. The machine is said to be required to bring things to life and there's no machine in the past for heath to conjure that
                2. The professors in the present wouldn't know what Heath's cyclizar is like to make one that acts like it.
                3. Even if they did they would have a singular idea of what they act like, any other Raidon would be more docile based on that too
                4. The professors wouldn't be interested in a Cyclizar to make anything like it.

                Just in one point there's at least four plotholes that can arise from that. This is why no one believes this nonsense imagination theory. It doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the machine is said to be required
                The professor believes the machine is needed, but that's only true because they also believe it's a time machine.
                >the professor wouldn't know what Cyclizar was like
                Heath wrote about exactly that in his expedition journal
                >the professors wouldn't be interested in Cyclizar
                Why not? It was in the same writings as the paradox mons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >2. The professors in the present wouldn't know what Heath's cyclizar is like to make one that acts like it.
                Cyclizar is in the book and said to be a helper.
                >3. Even if they did they would have a singular idea of what they act like, any other Raidon would be more docile based on that too
                They have regular Cyclizars all over Paldea.
                >4. The professors wouldn't be interested in a Cyclizar to make anything like it.
                They wanted the Pokemon from the book, the Pokemon is like Cyclizar, just like the other paradoxes are like existing mons.
                >. This is why no one believes this nonsense imagination theory
                It's winning the poll.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Cyclizar is in the book and said to be a helper.
                All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.
                >They have regular Cyclizars all over Paldea.
                Okay? And?
                We aren't talking about a Cyclizar, we're talking about a Raidon, they first one they met, the docile one that you have. It would set the template for how they see the Raidon so the violent one wouldn't exist.
                >They wanted the Pokemon from the book,
                Exactly, not the Cyclizar which also had no defined personality and when they got it they assigned a personality to it and made it docile.

                >It's winning the poll.
                Winning a poll doesn't mean anything when it's one guy just resetting his IP to vote. If anything it shows how few people actually believe in the theory because there's only one person presenting the same ideas, contradictions and all when they're supposed to be in the majority.

                If you knew how to think you would have come to the same conclusion.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Winning a poll doesn't mean anything when it's one guy just resetting his IP to vote

                >timeschizo when he makes another poll that doesn't go his way and spends several weeks trying to justify the results

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.
                Bruv it's literally hanging out back to back with Heath, combine this with the fact that Cyclizars are canonically chill as frick and have let people ride on them for ages means it's not a stretch of logic to say the Raidon made in this Cyclizar's image would have the same temperament as a normal Cyclizar and Heath being pictured with one works as the inspiration.
                >It would set the template for how they see the Raidon so the violent one wouldn't exist.
                No it wouldn't, the Raidon we get is an anomaly, the violent Raidon is the "correct" one because it's the Winged King/Serpent described in the book. All the Paradox Mons are described as powerful and aggressive creatures and only our Raidon, which is basically just a souped up Cyclizar, isn't.
                This isn't even getting into how the professor was clearly deranged by the time the second Raidon showed up, it's also possible it was summoned by the AI but I could go either way on that.
                >Exactly, not the Cyclizar
                Right, which is why they kept trying till Raidon 2 appeared.

                And you can keep trying to cope with the idea that this mysterious hacker named Ganker has botted every single poll for months, you have no evidence of this claim and are deranged enough to think only /vp/ believes in imagination when people off Ganker are well aware of imagination theory and that time travel is bullshit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the cyclizar are so chill that they have been letting humans ride yjem for 10.000 years according to the dex entry and the raidons are basically the same

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Bruv it's literally hanging out back to back with Heath, combine this with the fact that Cyclizars are canonically chill as frick and have let people ride on them for ages means it's not a stretch of logic to say the Raidon made in this Cyclizar's image would have the same temperament as a normal Cyclizar and Heath being pictured with one works as the inspiration.
                At this point you're just grasping for straws and making assumptions. There is nothing to say about Heath's Cyclizar in regards to the temperament of the Raidon. Even then it would still set a personality template to copy from and a violent Raidon wouldn't exist.
                >the Raidon we get is an anomaly
                You're tripping over yourself.
                First you claim that Heath's Cyclizar was the personality basis and was kind and now you're saying it's an aberration which doesn't make sense using your own logic because the violent one would have come out of nowhere especially after the first came through and showed how docile it was.
                >This isn't even getting into how the professor was clearly deranged by the time the second Raidon showed up
                Moot point, like this anon said

                >And yet after the first Raidon was summoned they immediately stopped giving a shit about their family
                No, not even close
                >I've successfully brought more and more ancient Pokémon to our time since the first one.
                >I'm so close to creating a world like the one in the book—a paradise where we three can live happily together forever. I must make it real.
                They were thinking about their family after the first Raidon came through.

                It's honestly not worth talking to you people, you come to lore threads but know nothing about the lore.

                the insanity came on based on the idea of paradise for their family, if it was truly wish granting they wouldn't have been violent because that's not their desire.
                >which is why they kept trying till Raidon 2 appeared
                Which is another thing, there would be more than two if they really wanted it. And you didn't even address the actual point there about the personality.
                >you have no evidence of this claim
                The evidence is that outside of Ganker the imagination theory is a rarity outside of clickbait youtubers and its only here that sees polls where imagination wins.
                Put two and two together and you have someone who's autistically obsessed with the imagination theory and hates being corrected ie you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You're tripping over yourself.
                Anon you were the one who said Heath's Cyclizar didn't count, to which I said that doesn't matter because Cyclizar as a species are chill as frick in canon. We don't need to know that particular Cyclizar's quirks for our Raidon to be a riding companion because Cyclizar are fricking everywhere in Paldea, HOWEVER it is not a stretch to assume Heath's Cyclizar was chill and very helpful. You're trying to force a 'gotcha' with autistic wordgames when the answer is the same no matter which argument you want to go with.
                Cyclizar is chill.
                Raidon 1 is chill.
                Book describes King/Serpent as strong
                Raidon 2 is strong.

                It's that fricking simple, I don't get what you can't understand about this.
                > if it was truly wish granting they wouldn't have been violent because that's not their desire
                Professor wants Pokemon from the book, the Pokemon in the book are described as violent and one of them even kills a dude. This doesn't stop the prof from wanting what's in the book. Either the professor erroneously thought they could contain the Paradox Pokemon with modern tech or simply didn't see the problem with it. Even the AI doesn't understand how the professor didn't see the paradox mons overtaking the ecosystem coming.
                >The evidence is that outside of Ganker the imagination theory is a rarity outside of clickbait youtubers
                So it went from "only one guy knows what imagination theory is" to "only youtubers know what imagination theory is!"
                That video has nearly a quarter million views and has been around for months, your head is up your own ass if you think it's literally just one guy who disagrees with you. You are the minority here and you need to accept that, otherwise everyone calling you a schizo is absolutely right.
                >someone who's autistically obsessed with the imagination theory
                If I have been resetting my IP to votespam in the poll, and am the same, singular person who believes in imagination, why is the thread IP count not going up?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I enter the discussion saying that the AI could have created king/serpent as opposed to the original professors they are much more rational and created an accurate raidon to the accurate description of "violent lizards" where the original professors would only want their imaginary dinosaur friend

                but this is mostly my interpretation

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's a fair interpretation. No idea why the Raidons are a "one per person" type deal but the idea that a person gets what they wanted out of the book, and another gets what's written to the letter makes sense.
                It doesn't really matter that much either way though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's a fair interpretation. No idea why the Raidons are a "one per person" type deal but the idea that a person gets what they wanted out of the book, and another gets what's written to the letter makes sense.
                It doesn't really matter that much either way though.

                Impossible, the AI didn't want paradoxes to begin with and who knows if a machine can have their wishes read.
                That last part is also a cornerstone of the imagination theory to "explain" why the machine didn't stop.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the AI didn't wanted the paradoxes at the start of the game but she and the professor worked together by bringing both raidons together

                also the AI was kinda forced to create the paradoxes for the original professor she doesn't even want to fight with the protagonist but she is programmed to do so she does everything against her will so she asks arven and the protagonist for help since she alone cannot stop the "time machine"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the AI didn't wanted the paradoxes at the start of the game but she and the professor worked together by bringing both raidons together
                The AI couldn't fathom the purpose, period. Also you can infer that the AI was completed close to the start of the game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon you were the one who said Heath's Cyclizar didn't count,
                And you're the one saying it does which is obviously completely ridiculous
                Also
                >Cyclizar as a species are chill as frick in canon.
                Just because they can be tamed doesn't mean they're all like that or start like that after all Cyclizar isn't a pokemon that runs away from you or just comes near like the Hoppip, it attacks.
                Don't read bulbapedia and assume it's right, unless you believe swellow was in the Simpson's movie.
                >HOWEVER it is not a stretch to assume Heath's Cyclizar was chill and very helpful
                It's a stretch to assume anything about the personality because it doesn't say anything. Use the game as a reference and learn to infer, don't make things up as you go.

                >Book describes King/Serpent as strong
                The page about it doesn't exist to us for you to say that and it would assume that the professors never read that page until after the first which of course is idiotic because they loved the book so much that they inserted their keycard into their childhood copy to use as a ID.

                > I don't get what you can't understand about this.
                You'll never get it because you don't put any thought into it, I mean you say its simple but breaking it down shows more holes than your mother at an orgy.

                >the Pokemon in the book are described as violent and one of them even kills a dude.
                Is there any particular reading you're replying to points out of order or using another point to answer another?
                Either way it doesn't change the fact that "paradise" was their goal and that was even coded into the Paradise Protection Protocol
                >"You wıll fal| herə, withın this gɑrden paradisə—and aɔhiəve n■thıng in the ənd."
                >"Yo∪ wıll not be ɑllowed to dəstroy ⅿy parɑdise. Obstacləs t■ my goɑls WILL be elıminatəd."
                >"The dɑta say I am the suÞerior. Fɑl|, and beɔome a foundɑtıon upon vvhıch my dreɑm may be bµilt."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Just because they can be tamed doesn't mean they're all like
                Cyclizars in canon have been partnered with humans since before Pokeballs were a thing, as a species they basically bent the knee to humans long before most other Pokemon, like dogs or something. The game says they've been ridden by humans "since ancient times", you can't 'hurrdurr not ALL of them are like that' out of this one because every single source for the game says Cyclizars are docile to human beings.
                >Cyclizar isn't a pokemon that runs away from you
                Cyclizar ingame are literally just running in any direction, if they "attack" you it's because you're in their way.
                >Use the game as a reference and learn to infer
                Wow, and the game says Cyclizar are docile!
                >The page about it doesn't exist to us for you to say that
                Pokedex describes its feats. It has no reason to 'split the earth' or 'scorch the land' if it's not aggressive like the other Pokemon Heath describes.
                >Either way it doesn't change the fact that "paradise" was their goal
                Then their paradise was flawed from the beginning and could never happen. They wanted the Paradox mons as they were depicted in the book, but never considered the dangers that came with them. That's the professor's own fault and is what costs them everything.
                >why you brought up youtubers and random comments, I'll never know
                Because you were so insistent that no one believes in imagination and that it only exists on /vp/. Not sure why you're walking back on this suddenly, see

                >Cyclizar is in the book and said to be a helper.
                All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.
                >They have regular Cyclizars all over Paldea.
                Okay? And?
                We aren't talking about a Cyclizar, we're talking about a Raidon, they first one they met, the docile one that you have. It would set the template for how they see the Raidon so the violent one wouldn't exist.
                >They wanted the Pokemon from the book,
                Exactly, not the Cyclizar which also had no defined personality and when they got it they assigned a personality to it and made it docile.

                >It's winning the poll.
                Winning a poll doesn't mean anything when it's one guy just resetting his IP to vote. If anything it shows how few people actually believe in the theory because there's only one person presenting the same ideas, contradictions and all when they're supposed to be in the majority.

                If you knew how to think you would have come to the same conclusion.

                >> If anything it shows how few people actually believe in the theory because there's
                >>>only one person

                >Which is fairly small
                Didn't you say in an earlier thread that Pokemon lore is an inherently niche topic to justify why there weren't many votes for time travel? Which is it?
                >and judging by the fact that you had to dig through through the video to find it
                That's the best part, I didn't, a friend linked the video to me.
                >phones don't exist.
                I'm not a phoneposter.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you can't 'hurrdurr not ALL of them are like that' out of this one because every single source for the game says Cyclizars are docile to human beings.
                You say every single source but post a website known for its poor track record in regards to lore and again
                >after all Cyclizar isn't a pokemon that runs away from you or just comes near like the Hoppip, it attacks.
                If they wanted it to be mild they would have given it a similar AI.

                >Cyclizar ingame are literally just running in any direction,
                They run after you when they see you so that's wrong.
                >and the game says Cyclizar are docile!
                Which it doesn't and their actions say otherwise.
                >Pokedex describes its feats
                Feats and personality are two different things, being able to allegedly do these things doesn't mean that they can/will in game. Take Reshiram for example
                >This Pokémon appears in legends. It sends flames into the air from its tail, burning up everything around it.
                First entry for black, it's native game, it's said to burn everything around it but we know that it's completely subservient to the one who awakened it.
                When using the dex in a lore thread take it with a grain of salt and use the actual lore of the game to come to a conclusion.
                Don't assume things.
                >Then their paradise was flawed from the beginning and could never happen.
                Or wishing isn't a thing and Terapagos influenced the professor somehow.
                >Because you were so insistent that no one believes in imagination and that it only exists on /vp/.
                That's not what that post says at all we're talking about a poll on /vp/ not the rest of the Internet.
                The fact that you didn't get that says a lot about about why you believe the imagination theory. You need everything to be as clear as possible otherwise you don't understand it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Or wishing isn't a thing and Terapagos influenced the professor somehow
                or wishing is a thing and the professors were too much moronic

                Ever heard of "careful what you wish for"?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                undoubtedly the professors have never heard of it so that explains a lot

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ever heard of "careful what you wish for"?
                It's not a genie, it won't frick with you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not a genie, it won't frick with you.
                too bad it did it's crystals are everywhere devouring the whole lab

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well duh. It's radiating energy.
                That doesn't make it a genie.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why would it be literal 99% of the time and figurative once

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>You say every single source but post a website known for its poor track record
                >d-doesn't count
                Okay, let's try the Pokedex then.
                Cyclizar has been allowing people to ride on its back since ancient times. Depictions of this have been found in 10,000-year-old murals.
                Does this not count either? How about all the Cyclizar being ridden ingame? Or the Cyclizar 'garages' at the start of every town? Or the Cyclizar getting modded out by team star and still being okay with it? or Heath's? Every single source in the game shows these Pokemon being domesticated, but in typical timeschizo fashion you're ignoring it because it btfos your headcanon.
                able to allegedly do these things doesn't mean that they can/will in game
                And yet Koraidon's signature move is very similar to what the Pokedex says he does.
                >>It was said to have split the land with its bare fists.
                >>The user transforms and crashes to the ground, causing a massive prehistoric explosion
                As for the Tao Trio, the lore also states they follow those who believe in truth/ideals, which is exactly what it was doing. There are no contradictories anywhere.
                >Or wishing isn't a thing
                Or maybe their wishes are inherently contradictory. Paradoxical one could even say.
                >That's not what that post says at all we're talking about a poll on /vp/ not the rest of the Internet.
                Not only have you been trying to say imagination theory only exists on /vp/, you've even made up a singular boogeyman that only exists to pedal that theory. You're now trying to backpedal and say "w-well I was only talking about the users of /vp/" as if people on this board don't use other social media or youtube.

                [...]

                >>What? I never said anything like that.

                [...]

                >you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.
                Sounds like you know a lot about botting polls, timegay-kun.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Does this not count either?
                No
                >apparently
                That's all I need.
                Nothing else you've said changes the fact that Cyclizar charge at you.
                >And yet Koraidon's signature move is very similar to what the Pokedex says he does.
                >The user transforms and crashes to the ground, causing a massive prehistoric explosion.
                Not really, because transforming into a wheel isn't using your bare hands.
                And again doesn't address what I said as it doesn't have anything to do with personality.
                >the lore also states they follow those who believe in truth/ideals
                That's the point, it very well may be able to burn the world around it but we won't see that because its subservient to the hero.
                This wasn't about presenting a contradiction, it was about showing that there's no correlation between abilities and personality.
                >Or maybe their wishes are inherently contradictory.
                I don't even know what you're trying to say here, if it isn't granting the wish then it's just not granting wishes.
                >Not only have you been trying to say imagination theory only exists on /vp/
                I've never once said that. I said that you were the only one who believes that here.

                [...]

                [...]

                Anon, these are different people. What they say isn't what I'm saying.
                Do you just think that everyone is the exact same person?
                >Sounds like you know a lot about botting polls, timegay-kun.
                I don't even think I've said anything about time travel in these posts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >if it isn't granting the wish then it's just not granting wishes.
                it granted the wish it's just the wish that is incredibly moronic

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, these are different people. What they say isn't what I'm saying

                >same typing style
                >same redding spacing
                >same ability to casually ignore the game text
                >same moronic belief that one person is botting the poll
                >same moronic belief that there are less imaginationgays than timetravelgays
                >same tendency to argue over this dumb bullshit for hours

                >it's not me, I swear!!
                There are less than 5 time travelgays on this board total. You do not get to argue that one person is botting all the polls every single time the poll is brought up, then pretend you're actually a totally different person this entire time. You've been at this shit for too long to try to weasel out now, I'm onto your fricking scent you homosexual. You've been at this for MONTHS, you're a moron to think people can't tell who you are by now.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>same typing style
                The only similarity is that I say "anon" as if I'm referring to you by name and that's an extremely common thing to do here. People have been doing it longer than this board has existed.
                >>same redding spacing
                That's reddit spacing and the two posts you linked aren't even long enough for that also haven't really double spaced unless I accidentally double tap.
                >>same ability to casually ignore the game text
                I'm the only one actually referring to game text properly in this conversation. And by that I mean reading it AND understanding what it means.
                Not interpreting it in a way that doesn't make sense to force a headcanon like you are.
                >>same moronic belief that one person is botting the poll
                Anon, the fact that that the other post that said that isn't mine says otherwise.

                >thinking a poll will resolve anything
                It'll just be botted and then the "winners" will claim that everything was completely normal and proves they're right. Just like every other slightly controversial poll on this board.

                Are you going to claim that this is post too?
                Or this one?

                >imaginationgays make another poll to spam vote
                >still refuse to answer plot holes
                yeah man those kalos polls really helped south Kalos appear in the DLC and megas will be great to have again

                What about these ones?

                >37ips
                >186 votes
                wow that's crazy

                Yesterday when the thread had less than ten posts, there's already around fifty votes. You can make of that what you will.

                They're all different people, you don't like that fact because it means what you're doing is extremely obvious to anyone with a brain bigger than a pea.
                >>same moronic belief that there are less imaginationgays than timetravelgays
                It's not even a time travel vs imagination thing, as you can see by the fact that I haven't once mentioned time travel, as it is imagination is just sheer idiocy. Even the atlantis theory has more evidence supporting it than imagination.
                >>same tendency to argue over this dumb bullshit for hours
                Anon, you've been here this entire thread presumably just resetting your IP and replying to anyone that dares point out a plothole in your theory without doing anything else in between.
                And judging by the fact that you had the links to that other from almost a week ago it's clear you actively search for them.
                Are you really in a position to call others out when you're doing this 24/7?

                Honestly, you must think we're all as dumb as you are.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm the only one actually referring to game text properly in this conversation
                You are actively ignoring the ingame text when it says something you dislike. The game, Pokedex, website and lore all state Cyclizar is an amiable Pokemon that gets along with humans and always have, you're trying to argue all of this doesn't count because it doesn't suit your argument, which is what happens any and every time the game presents a situation that disagrees with time travel, like how you fricks still cannot explain how Heath knows what a Raidon is or where the Paradox Pokemon went after Heath's expedition.
                >They're all different people
                Wow, I'm sure willing to believe the person who's arguing in the upmost good faith after getting called out for his blatant samegayging. Surely the person who talked at length on how to reset their IP and is a confirmed mobileposter would never stoop to trying to get out of samegay accusations.
                >Anon, you've been here this entire thread presumably just resetting your IP
                Case in fricking point, as I said in

                >You're tripping over yourself.
                Anon you were the one who said Heath's Cyclizar didn't count, to which I said that doesn't matter because Cyclizar as a species are chill as frick in canon. We don't need to know that particular Cyclizar's quirks for our Raidon to be a riding companion because Cyclizar are fricking everywhere in Paldea, HOWEVER it is not a stretch to assume Heath's Cyclizar was chill and very helpful. You're trying to force a 'gotcha' with autistic wordgames when the answer is the same no matter which argument you want to go with.
                Cyclizar is chill.
                Raidon 1 is chill.
                Book describes King/Serpent as strong
                Raidon 2 is strong.

                It's that fricking simple, I don't get what you can't understand about this.
                > if it was truly wish granting they wouldn't have been violent because that's not their desire
                Professor wants Pokemon from the book, the Pokemon in the book are described as violent and one of them even kills a dude. This doesn't stop the prof from wanting what's in the book. Either the professor erroneously thought they could contain the Paradox Pokemon with modern tech or simply didn't see the problem with it. Even the AI doesn't understand how the professor didn't see the paradox mons overtaking the ecosystem coming.
                >The evidence is that outside of Ganker the imagination theory is a rarity outside of clickbait youtubers
                So it went from "only one guy knows what imagination theory is" to "only youtubers know what imagination theory is!"
                That video has nearly a quarter million views and has been around for months, your head is up your own ass if you think it's literally just one guy who disagrees with you. You are the minority here and you need to accept that, otherwise everyone calling you a schizo is absolutely right.
                >someone who's autistically obsessed with the imagination theory
                If I have been resetting my IP to votespam in the poll, and am the same, singular person who believes in imagination, why is the thread IP count not going up?

                , the IP count has barely increased in...3 hours. It was 35 when I made that post and is 39 now--well 40 with the guy who just posted, explain to me how the frick I can be resetting my IP at the speed of sound as you say without the poster count actually going up despite us having a constant back and forth this entire time? How much bullshit are you willing to conjure up before you accept there simply more people who think it's imagination? I've already given you irrefutable proof that the theory exists and is popular outside Ganker, why would I need to lie?
                >And judging by the fact that you had the links to that other from almost a week ago it's clear you actively search for them.
                Yeah it's not as if you don't present the same tired arguments every single time we have this thread, making it very easy to search "imaginationgay" in the archive to pull up the last thread where you presented the same arguments the same way.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >like how you fricks still cannot explain how Heath knows what a Raidon is or where the Paradox Pokemon went after Heath's expedition.
                the best part of this is both you and I know you've been in these threads for 4 months and have had people give multiple theories. why don't you start answering the plot holes and inconsistencies for imagination instead of the same bullshit you pull every thread. you act like everyone has to jump through hoops to give you an explanation you'll accept, but you can't defend your own train of thought.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You are actively ignoring the ingame text when it says something you dislike.
                Once again I'm reading and understanding it. Take the personality conversation for instance. Nothing in the dex, book or game says what the winged King Heath saw acted like yet because it's strong you automatically assumed it had to be violent despite no correlation.
                You can't lie about these things when we all see it in real time.
                >Surely the person who talked at length on how to reset their IP and is a confirmed mobileposter
                Even making assumptions here are we. Not that I'm surprised, it's all you can do for an argument.
                Regardless, the fact is you've been caught out, on numerous occasions by multiple people. At this point you're only making yourself angry.
                >Case in fricking point, as I said in

                >You're tripping over yourself.
                Anon you were the one who said Heath's Cyclizar didn't count, to which I said that doesn't matter because Cyclizar as a species are chill as frick in canon. We don't need to know that particular Cyclizar's quirks for our Raidon to be a riding companion because Cyclizar are fricking everywhere in Paldea, HOWEVER it is not a stretch to assume Heath's Cyclizar was chill and very helpful. You're trying to force a 'gotcha' with autistic wordgames when the answer is the same no matter which argument you want to go with.
                Cyclizar is chill.
                Raidon 1 is chill.
                Book describes King/Serpent as strong
                Raidon 2 is strong.

                It's that fricking simple, I don't get what you can't understand about this.
                > if it was truly wish granting they wouldn't have been violent because that's not their desire
                Professor wants Pokemon from the book, the Pokemon in the book are described as violent and one of them even kills a dude. This doesn't stop the prof from wanting what's in the book. Either the professor erroneously thought they could contain the Paradox Pokemon with modern tech or simply didn't see the problem with it. Even the AI doesn't understand how the professor didn't see the paradox mons overtaking the ecosystem coming.
                >The evidence is that outside of Ganker the imagination theory is a rarity outside of clickbait youtubers
                So it went from "only one guy knows what imagination theory is" to "only youtubers know what imagination theory is!"
                That video has nearly a quarter million views and has been around for months, your head is up your own ass if you think it's literally just one guy who disagrees with you. You are the minority here and you need to accept that, otherwise everyone calling you a schizo is absolutely right.
                >someone who's autistically obsessed with the imagination theory
                If I have been resetting my IP to votespam in the poll, and am the same, singular person who believes in imagination, why is the thread IP count not going up? #, the IP count has barely increased in...3 hours.
                This is the same issue as the dex, "presumably" is the key word there anon and I suggest you learn what it means. And as I said here

                >So it went from "only one guy knows what imagination theory is"
                No. From the start I was talking about here on /vp/, why you brought up youtubers and random comments, I'll never know but we can pivot to that to see that it's much the same case. Anyone who believes in it has no evidence whatsoever.
                It's also worth noting that the one you singled out in the comments acts like our resident shitposter here.

                >That video has nearly a quarter million views
                Which is fairly small and judging by the fact that you had to dig through through the video to find it it's clearly not a big deal.
                >why is the thread IP count not going up?
                You probably thought this was a gotcha as phones don't exist.
                I suggest you put some thought into your next post.

                >>why is the thread IP count not going up?
                >You probably thought this was a gotcha as phones don't exist.
                And here

                >Didn't you say in an earlier thread that Pokemon lore is an inherently niche topic to justify why there weren't many votes for time travel?
                What? I never said anything like that.
                >a friend linked the video to me.
                Sure. Just like all the people who claimed their "friend" had corrupted save data from using the Go features in SV.
                >I'm not a phoneposter
                You don't have to be, you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.

                >You don't have to be, you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.
                There's an obvious explanation for that.
                Well, obvious to anyone with sense.

                >Yeah it's not as if you don't present the same tired arguments every single time
                If people are giving you the same explanations as to why imagination doesn't make sense then maybe it doesn't make sense. It's not like I've been giving any time travel arguments either so that's the only thing you have.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Nothing in the dex, book or game says what the winged King Heath saw acted like yet because it's strong you automatically assumed it had to be violent despite no correlation.
                The book describes the creatures of Area Zero as monstrous, dangerous and aggressive and one of them kills a guy, according to Heath. The second Raidon appears AFTER the professor already has several Paradox Pokemon and all of THEM are aggressive to the point where it's central to the plot, how does this idea that Paradox Pokemon = aggressive suddenly not apply to the second Raidon?
                >Even making assumptions here are we.
                What a strong defense, anonymous, you're really helping your case here.
                >This is the same issue as the dex, "presumably" is the key word there anon
                So you're admitting your wrong here...but still continue to peddle the idea that I am the godking of all timegays. Your entire argument hinges on the hope that I'm using my phone to post, a conjecture you have no proof of and only present because it's the only way your bullshit theory make sense.
                >>You don't have to be, you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.
                But as you said here

                >>same typing style
                The only similarity is that I say "anon" as if I'm referring to you by name and that's an extremely common thing to do here. People have been doing it longer than this board has existed.
                >>same redding spacing
                That's reddit spacing and the two posts you linked aren't even long enough for that also haven't really double spaced unless I accidentally double tap.
                >>same ability to casually ignore the game text
                I'm the only one actually referring to game text properly in this conversation. And by that I mean reading it AND understanding what it means.
                Not interpreting it in a way that doesn't make sense to force a headcanon like you are.
                >>same moronic belief that one person is botting the poll
                Anon, the fact that that the other post that said that isn't mine says otherwise. [...]
                Are you going to claim that this is post too?
                Or this one?
                [...]
                What about these ones?
                [...] [...]
                They're all different people, you don't like that fact because it means what you're doing is extremely obvious to anyone with a brain bigger than a pea.
                >>same moronic belief that there are less imaginationgays than timetravelgays
                It's not even a time travel vs imagination thing, as you can see by the fact that I haven't once mentioned time travel, as it is imagination is just sheer idiocy. Even the atlantis theory has more evidence supporting it than imagination.
                >>same tendency to argue over this dumb bullshit for hours
                Anon, you've been here this entire thread presumably just resetting your IP and replying to anyone that dares point out a plothole in your theory without doing anything else in between.
                And judging by the fact that you had the links to that other from almost a week ago it's clear you actively search for them.
                Are you really in a position to call others out when you're doing this 24/7?

                Honestly, you must think we're all as dumb as you are.

                >just resetting your IP and replying to anyone
                And yet the majority of new posts are random anons not getting into any arguments, it sounds to me more like you're taking any new poster and just assuming it's me as if this thread hasn't been up for 24 fricking hours now with frequent bumps. Do you really and truly believe I'm the only person on this board who disagrees with you? Are you that desperate to be 'correct'?
                >If people are giving you the same explanations as to why imagination doesn't make sense then maybe it doesn't make sense.
                Sure would be willing to buy that if there was any proof at all there were more than 5 timegays on this board total, and if all timegays didn't conspicuously post and argue the exact same way like our Pikaschizo over here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The book describes the creatures of Area Zero as monstrous
                Yes I'm aware. You seem to think I'm as ignorant as you are.
                The point is we aren't talking about how they were viewed as a whole, we're talking about a specific instance where you can't decide if it was meant to be violent or docile because logic suggests both. That was the entire argument the whole time, you can't maintain logical consistency.
                After all now you've gone back to saying that the second Koraidon is how it should have been and and the first was an oddity which of course doesn't make sense under imagination since it should just be a copy based on how they viewed it. And you can't use the Cyclizar defence because a Koraidon is not seen as one by the professor until after the first comes through and they can genetically identify it.
                >you're really helping your case here.
                Indeed I am but of course you would rather act smug instead of learning from the many mistakes you're making.
                >but still continue to peddle the idea that I am the godking of all timegays.
                Anon, you're saying that I'M the god king of timegays. I'm saying that you're a kid with too much time on his hands and a twinge of autism that prevents you from thinking logically.
                >But as you said here
                Once again
                >presumably
                I'm starting to see why you believe the imagination theory if you ignore words that completely change the meaning of a sentence.
                >Your entire argument hinges on the hope that I'm using my phone to post,
                I quite literally said that you don't have to be using your phone to post. It's not even just one word with you but entire responses.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >After all now you've gone back to saying that the second Koraidon is how it should have been and and the first was an oddity
                This has been the argument the entire time, any 'changes' were based off you trying to steer the discussion away from what we know about Cyclizar and saying ingame text and lore don't count.
                >doesn't make sense under imagination since it should just be a copy based on how they viewed it
                But since imagination/wish granting is based off of the professor's personal interpretation of the Pokemon (as see by the design differences in the Donphans and Wakes), the idea that the Raidon would have a personality change after the professor properly sees and categorizes every other Paradox mon still adheres to imagination theory, ESPECIALLY if the one who actually summoned the Raidon was the AI.
                All of this has been explained in

                >All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.
                Bruv it's literally hanging out back to back with Heath, combine this with the fact that Cyclizars are canonically chill as frick and have let people ride on them for ages means it's not a stretch of logic to say the Raidon made in this Cyclizar's image would have the same temperament as a normal Cyclizar and Heath being pictured with one works as the inspiration.
                >It would set the template for how they see the Raidon so the violent one wouldn't exist.
                No it wouldn't, the Raidon we get is an anomaly, the violent Raidon is the "correct" one because it's the Winged King/Serpent described in the book. All the Paradox Mons are described as powerful and aggressive creatures and only our Raidon, which is basically just a souped up Cyclizar, isn't.
                This isn't even getting into how the professor was clearly deranged by the time the second Raidon showed up, it's also possible it was summoned by the AI but I could go either way on that.
                >Exactly, not the Cyclizar
                Right, which is why they kept trying till Raidon 2 appeared.

                And you can keep trying to cope with the idea that this mysterious hacker named Ganker has botted every single poll for months, you have no evidence of this claim and are deranged enough to think only /vp/ believes in imagination when people off Ganker are well aware of imagination theory and that time travel is bullshit.

                hours ago.
                >because a Koraidon is not seen as one by the professor until after the first comes through and they can genetically identify it.
                The professor also doesn't know they have a wish machine on their hands, if their wish is to have Pokemon from the book, and the Cyclizar is a Pokemon in the book, and the first Raidon willingly lets itself become your bike like a Cyclizar would, then the Raidon=Cyclizar connection was already made (read: wished for) before any testing was done, as the other anon said a while ago, there would be no reason for a prehistoric Pokemon to both turn into a motorcycle and have the perfect temperament to be ridden, nor any need for a futuristic Pokemon to allow itself to be ridden at all, if the professor wasn't wishing for a companion Bikedog like Heath had.
                >Indeed I am but of course you would rather act smug
                You are desperately trying to pin every single imagination post and vote onto me because you're so deeply in denial about more than one person disagreeing with you, and yet you have the audacity to try to be slinging insults while lacking any actual proof of your claims.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And yet the majority of new posts are random anons not getting into any arguments
                This doesn't mean anything in the context of the conversation and that's also false anyway as you can see by this post [...]
                Also if you have an extension you can see the last new poster was this anon [...]
                Meaning everyone after has already posted before and are not in fact new to this thread.
                >Sure would be willing to buy that if there was any proof at all there were more than 5 timegays on this board total,
                It's not even supporting time travel, it's just that imagination simply doesn't work.
                >and if all timegays didn't conspicuously post and argue the exact same way like our Pikaschizo over here.
                Anon, his post also doesn't mention time travel.

                All you're doing is making it clear that this isn't a debate against the two ideas but rather you're attempting to present an alternative out of sheer hatred. Which explains why no one can ever give a consistent explanation of the theory.

                >Meaning everyone after has already posted before and are not in fact new to this thread.
                So the argument has gone from
                >you're just one anon IP resetting
                which got btfo, then changed to
                >you're also not IP resetting BUT are somehow able to type up multiple posts that nearly reach character limit with different typing styles and different arguments while still carrying on a single reply chain
                And I'M the kid here?
                >I quite literally said that you don't have to be using your phone to post
                So I'm IP resetting to bot the poll with my phone AND typing up all these replies at the same time? I must have a fricking world class WPM AND acting ability to be doing
                all these things simultaneously!
                > it's just that imagination simply doesn't work
                Ah yeah so you're actually arguing on the side of Atlantis then innit bruv? Surely you have no vested interest in trying to disprove imagination theory? None at all right chap? Check out my acting!
                >Which explains why no one can ever give a consistent explanation of the theory
                But I thought they were all me? Get your story straight anon, is this a case of a serial samegayger or is there ACTUALLY more than one imaginationgay like I've been saying??!?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >So I'm IP resetting to bot the poll with my phone AND typing up all these replies at the same time
                NTA but why act like it isn't just a case of turning off mobile data, then turning it back on and refreshing the poll to vote again?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because that's not how that site works.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's literally how that site works, dipshit.
                It only has IP checking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because I have no reason to do that when as stated in

                >All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.
                Bruv it's literally hanging out back to back with Heath, combine this with the fact that Cyclizars are canonically chill as frick and have let people ride on them for ages means it's not a stretch of logic to say the Raidon made in this Cyclizar's image would have the same temperament as a normal Cyclizar and Heath being pictured with one works as the inspiration.
                >It would set the template for how they see the Raidon so the violent one wouldn't exist.
                No it wouldn't, the Raidon we get is an anomaly, the violent Raidon is the "correct" one because it's the Winged King/Serpent described in the book. All the Paradox Mons are described as powerful and aggressive creatures and only our Raidon, which is basically just a souped up Cyclizar, isn't.
                This isn't even getting into how the professor was clearly deranged by the time the second Raidon showed up, it's also possible it was summoned by the AI but I could go either way on that.
                >Exactly, not the Cyclizar
                Right, which is why they kept trying till Raidon 2 appeared.

                And you can keep trying to cope with the idea that this mysterious hacker named Ganker has botted every single poll for months, you have no evidence of this claim and are deranged enough to think only /vp/ believes in imagination when people off Ganker are well aware of imagination theory and that time travel is bullshit.

                , imagination theory has already been "mainstream" for months now.
                It's fighting a route 1 trainer with your endgame team and popping an X attack anyway, if you're already gonna win, why go out of your way to win harder? I gain nothing from botting votes for imagination, as if this schizo anon was right, I would gain more by botting votes for time travel to make them look bad.

                It's almost like this entire botting argument has been desperate cope from the very beginning to try to discredit the more popular theory, and it's infuriating that we're actually 'debating' it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >imagination theory has already been "mainstream" for months now.
                You're joking right? No one takes the imagination theory seriously. Heck it doesn't even exist on most pokemon forums or nipplish ones.
                Youtubers bring it up for their shorts just to go
                >OH IT'S NOT TIME TRAVEL IT'S ACTUALLY THIS ABSURD SHIT!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Incredible, you saw proof right in front of your eyes, ignored it, and espoused a bullshit, unsubstantiated claim with zero proof. Top notch stuff.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you saw proof right in front of your eyes,
                Proof? You posted a small time YouTuber and one comment homie.
                Getting a mention like that two months ago doesn't mean shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I've seen plenty of people discuss it on all the big social media sites.
                >Pokemon forums
                Your pedophile discord server isn't a "forum"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And yet the majority of new posts are random anons not getting into any arguments
                This doesn't mean anything in the context of the conversation and that's also false anyway as you can see by this post

                Don't engage with imginationautists, just grill them until they start blurting insane headcanons to explain away why their theory is correct. They will either 1) have a mental breakdown 2) ad hominem or 3) cherry-pick your post to try and squeak out a response.
                >can't explain the plate in Area Zero
                >can't explain why the professor could only bring 2 Raidon's to the present even though they wanted more
                >can't explain why imagination pokemon match the DNA of their present counterparts
                >can't explain why the imagination pokemon didn't copy the drawings in the book and rather made Walking Wake into raptor suicune and not a beast hybrid
                >can't explain where the AI goes at the end of the story. their wish was to go on an adventure in the past/future, do they just conveniently poof out of existence?
                Do not engage. They cannot answer these questions without extreme headcanon. The replies to this post will be nothing but drivel and bait.

                Also if you have an extension you can see the last new poster was this anon

                Why even bother samegayging dude.

                Meaning everyone after has already posted before and are not in fact new to this thread.
                >Sure would be willing to buy that if there was any proof at all there were more than 5 timegays on this board total,
                It's not even supporting time travel, it's just that imagination simply doesn't work.
                >and if all timegays didn't conspicuously post and argue the exact same way like our Pikaschizo over here.
                Anon, his post also doesn't mention time travel.

                All you're doing is making it clear that this isn't a debate against the two ideas but rather you're attempting to present an alternative out of sheer hatred. Which explains why no one can ever give a consistent explanation of the theory.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're wasting your time.
                The human mind doesn't like being singled out so it tries to come up with insane justifications for why any source of disagrement is invalid.
                That's the reason why this moron is so dead set on the idea that only one person is arguing for the imagination theory and also why this board has so many imaginary posters living rent free in their heads.
                It's a cope nothing more.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why even bother samegayging dude.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                huh?
                this is the first time I've posted in this thread, shizo.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't frequent boards that much nowadays but yeah this guy definitely smells like a samegayging gay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, what didn't you expect? He's been here crying about time trannies for days now.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Reminder for all anons, there is one timetraveltroony trying to stir shit up, just like this anon says, you can recognize him by the same style he uses in every thread.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this anon
                You mean (You)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a samegay like you, time troony

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Didn't you say in an earlier thread that Pokemon lore is an inherently niche topic to justify why there weren't many votes for time travel?
                What? I never said anything like that.
                >a friend linked the video to me.
                Sure. Just like all the people who claimed their "friend" had corrupted save data from using the Go features in SV.
                >I'm not a phoneposter
                You don't have to be, you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >So it went from "only one guy knows what imagination theory is"
                No. From the start I was talking about here on /vp/, why you brought up youtubers and random comments, I'll never know but we can pivot to that to see that it's much the same case. Anyone who believes in it has no evidence whatsoever.
                It's also worth noting that the one you singled out in the comments acts like our resident shitposter here.

                >That video has nearly a quarter million views
                Which is fairly small and judging by the fact that you had to dig through through the video to find it it's clearly not a big deal.
                >why is the thread IP count not going up?
                You probably thought this was a gotcha as phones don't exist.
                I suggest you put some thought into your next post.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I should also add that your YouTube comment there is from someone who has no evidence of the imagination theory.
                As usual...

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What am I supposed to get from that pic?
                You just posted a random screenshot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You just posted a random screenshot.
                It's literally the same reply chain his YouTube comment came from. As you can see the only people who believe in it use their own headcanon to fill in the gaps that they didnt read or follow a YouTuber rather than playing the game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Where's the headcanon in that screenshot?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The idea that they're imaginary anon based on a misunderstanding of what foreshadowing is.
                There's nothing in game supporting that theory.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >people who believe in th imagination theory don't pay attention to the game and only parrot YouTubers
                Why am I not surprised.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >All that was said was that it carried their luggage, nothing about its attitude.

                but how strange it still seems that bikedog has more in common with heath's cyclizar even more than winged king since he doesn't have the ability to transform into a trusted companion vehicle

                koraidon is like the flintstones car a future vehicle reimagined in a prehistoric context not to mention that heath is the hero of sada's childhood and she too would like a cyclizar but cooler (as if to say that for koraidon to have the ability to become a motorcycle in the paleolithic makes no fricking sense)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >bikedog has more in common with heath's cyclizar even more than winged king
                No.
                Because we know nothing about the Raidon Heath saw and there's nothing to be said of Heath's Cyclizar other than it being a pack mule.
                Basically you're just saying
                >isn't it strange that they're similar because I said they're similar and not the game, that's wacky isn't it!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Because we know nothing about the Raidon Heath saw and there's nothing to be said of Heath's Cyclizar other than it being a pack mule.
                >Basically you're just saying
                it is precisely the fact that winged king is not like a cyclizar but bikedog is

                that is the point winged king isn't anything like a cyclizar it's heartless evil it can't turn into a bike but bukedog does bikedog isn't accurate to winged king's dex entry bikedog is an anomaly

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >territorial
                peculiar way of calling it bloodthirsty bully despite bikedog's submissive behavior the winged king persists to no avail

                as for the AI it was showing a certain aggression towards her too but robosada was like "shut yo mouth b***h get back in your ball"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's moronic, they're both identical lmao

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bot poll.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I saw an anon say that ho-oh is an ancient pokemon and knew of walking wake and just loosely designed suicune after it. I like that idea so that's what I'm going with.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the lore is completely raped at this point, who gives a frick

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    wtf i didnt realise how many schizo imaginationgays are on this board

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain the imagination theory? I genuinely don't get it. Like what is the theory and what is the evidence in the game points to the theory.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The theory is that Terapagos has the power to turn thoughts into reality, and the machine is just a placebo/focus for that professor to use that power. A few parts of the game talk about Heath and the prof seeing things after imagining them (ex: AI came from Prof wanting someone able to help them), and there are inconsistencies in how paradox pokemon are supposedly "brought into the present" by the "time machine" Arven also makes a comment late in the game about how the whole thing doesn't quite add up.
      also Khu compared the game to a similar plot back in leak season.

      So the story in this theory is
      >Old expedition, they don't actually see anything that interesting at first, but write about made up pokemon that are similar to ones from the members' parties
      >these writings are released, eventually being taken and added to by Occulture
      >Sada/Turo reads the magazine and original writings, fully believes them, and goes to Area 0.
      >the prof begins work on a machine deep in Area 0 to search other times for these pokemon, eventually getting the AI and a functioning "time machine" which is actually just using Terapagos' power to create whatever the prof expects to see based on the writings
      >then the event of the games happen later

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The theory is that Terapagos has the power to turn thoughts into reality, and the machine is just a placebo/focus for that professor to use that power. A few parts of the game talk about Heath and the prof seeing things after imagining them (ex: AI came from Prof wanting someone able to help them), and there are inconsistencies in how paradox pokemon are supposedly "brought into the present" by the "time machine" Arven also makes a comment late in the game about how the whole thing doesn't quite add up.
      also Khu compared the game to a similar plot back in leak season.

      So the story in this theory is
      >Old expedition, they don't actually see anything that interesting at first, but write about made up pokemon that are similar to ones from the members' parties
      >these writings are released, eventually being taken and added to by Occulture
      >Sada/Turo reads the magazine and original writings, fully believes them, and goes to Area 0.
      >the prof begins work on a machine deep in Area 0 to search other times for these pokemon, eventually getting the AI and a functioning "time machine" which is actually just using Terapagos' power to create whatever the prof expects to see based on the writings
      >then the event of the games happen later

      I should add, I may be missing/misremembering some info here. The post is based on what I remember from right around the release of SV, as the ideas were first forming, and I haven't played the game much since beating it a few months ago.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The origin came from a leaker (Khu) that presented multiple choices and said only one is the truth of the paradox in game. Imagination was among the choices and came up with less than a tenth of the votes at the time, then he released a hint, a series called King of Thorn where it has parts about turning imagination into reality. From this imagination theory began to sprout wildly. Note that to this day the leaker still hasn't give the final answer.
      As for their evidences in game? None, it's all things you need to see between the lines so you can't really call them concrete proofs.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      meme magic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The AI professors couldn't exist without terastal crystals
    >Humanity does not have the capacity to create such an advanced AI, yet through the professor's desire for a capable assistant they were created
    >Yet they also cannot leave Area Zero, the font of terastal energy
    >The professors' strong obsession with the Scarlet/Violet books fed into Terapagos' will, and thus the Paradox Pokemon were born from terastal energy and crystal, same as the AI professors
    >Tera raid dens are scattered all throughout Paldea, manifesting randomly
    >The Pokemon within are unseen until the intruding quartet of humans qualify the target through definition, thus providing Terapagos with a form by which to conjure an idea through terastal energy and the crystals
    >That's why terastal energy is extremely dense in the raid dens and you can terastallize your Pokemon though mere fighting
    >The tera raid Pokemon are essentially crystalline golems, deeply connected to Terapagos, and still being soldified
    >Through gathering terastal energy in your Pokeball to capture the tera raid Pokemon, you are providing it with an environment by which it can exist outside of the raid dens, completing its definition and making it no different from a normal Pokemon living in Paldea
    >That's what the professors' time machine did for the conceptual Paradox Pokemon, it provided a means by which the ideas consumed by Terapagos may complete definition and exist outside of Terapagos' dominion of Area Zero
    >And it's also why there's tons of other random Pokemon living in Area Zero too, as defining an idea that's already widely-accepted is simple
    >The exception is Glimmet and Glimmora, natural Pokemon that were born directly from terastal crystals, hence the weird rock/poison typing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>The AI professors couldn't exist without terastal crystals
      They can but its their power source.
      does not have the capacity to create such an advanced AI, yet through the professor's desire for a capable assistant they were created
      The professor built it by hand, most likely under Terapagos' control
      >>Yet they also cannot leave Area Zero, the font of terastal energy
      Again, it's their power source.
      >>The professors' strong obsession with the Scarlet/Violet books fed into Terapagos' will, and thus the Paradox Pokemon were born from terastal energy and crystal, same as the AI professors
      They wouldn't need the time machine if that were the case
      >>Tera raid dens are scattered all throughout Paldea, manifesting randomly
      Doesn't mean anything other than Terapagos' energy leaking out
      >>The Pokemon within are unseen until the intruding quartet of humans qualify the target through definition,
      Wouldn't work since each trainer would see it differently if they didn't know what was in there.
      >>That's why terastal energy is extremely dense in the raid dens and you can terastallize your Pokemon though mere fighting
      It's the opposite, your energy is drained upon going in there which is why you have to build it up
      >>The tera raid Pokemon are essentially crystalline golems, deeply connected to Terapagos, and still being soldified
      They're very much real.
      gathering terastal energy in your Pokeball to capture the tera raid Pokemon, you are providing it with an environment by which it can exist outside of the raid dens, completing its definition and making it no different from a normal Pokemon living in Paldea
      Doesn't make any logical sense if it's a pokemon that's clearly "defined" not to mention you see them turn into a regular pokemon once their Terastalization breaks

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They wouldn't need the time machine if that were the case

        in fact they wouldn't they WANT a time machine because they're convinced they're from the past

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>That's what the professors' time machine did for the conceptual Paradox Pokemon, it provided a means by which the ideas consumed by Terapagos may complete definition and exist outside of Terapagos' dominion of Area Zero
      Doesn't make any logical sense for the same reason and if Terapagos granted wishes they wouldn't have had a hard time getting out because that's what the professor wanted.
      >>And it's also why there's tons of other random Pokemon living in Area Zero too, as defining an idea that's already widely-accepted is simple
      They existed in the crater long before the machine was built unless you're claiming that the machine had no connection to "defining".
      >>The exception is Glimmet and Glimmora, natural Pokemon that were born directly from terastal crystals, hence the weird rock/poison typing
      They aren't found exclusively in Area Zero

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't the only other place you can find glimmet at the foot of the mountain, and even then it's ultra rare? meanwhile glimmora is common as frick as soon as you hit the tera caverns

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          glimmet can be found in caves but they're EXTREMELY rare meanwhile inside area zero there's a shit load of them add the fact that they're literally living tera crystals

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >but they're EXTREMELY rare
            They're actually pretty common in some caves like that one near alflornada

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >pretty common

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Did you... Think that proves him wrong

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >canon game statement
                vs
                >some random anon

                pretty much

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you're just showing how common it is outside of area zero.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >common outside of area zero.
                >"very rarely seen"

                is /vp/ moronic or just bait?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Kek. The likes of Larvesta and Zorua must be legendary according to you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The professors' strong obsession with the Scarlet/Violet books fed into Terapagos' will, and thus the Paradox Pokemon were born
      They strongly wish for raidon more than anything else and only got two in the span of like a decade.
      >The Pokemon within are unseen until the intruding
      There are tera pokemon outside the den roaming around.
      >Gathering terastal energy in your Pokeball to capture the tera raid Pokemon
      You capture them normally with normal balls after they faint.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >implying that time-travel isn't a function of the wish granting machine itself

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mega Timeline isn't canon.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot the besr option OP
    >Don't think too hard about it

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All this time I thought time travel posters were ironic baiters...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Did it really surprise you that it was the other way around?

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >imaginationgays make another poll to spam vote
    >still refuse to answer plot holes
    yeah man those kalos polls really helped south Kalos appear in the DLC and megas will be great to have again

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      shizo post, take your meds

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't take seriously the time travel explanation, it would be so badly though out that it's too moronic to be true, even for a game made for children.

    Also, admittedly I'm not the most well versed in Pokemon lore but there's no reason an ancient or a future Suicune would look different from the modern one. Why would a legendary Pokemon be subjected to evolutionary pressure ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why dooes the galar trio look different than the kanto trio

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't play the gen8 games. Is there a canon explanation for the differences ?
        I saw people saying that it's implied that they could be different species but since they ressemble the Kanto birds, people gave them the same name.
        I guess "because Arceus wanted it like that" would work as an argument too.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The semi-canon explanation is that the Galar birds are actually similar unrelated pokemon, and they just got the Kanto names because people saw them from a distance and didn't know the difference. The player is the first person to ever catch them, so closer research wasn't possible until then.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >similar unrelated pokemon
            official website says otherwise. Their cries are the exact same as well. gays doing mental gymnastics like usual to push whatever narrative they have

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Where does it say that they're related?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                In text it's the part after Galarian where it is called Zapdos. In the language of design it's the part where it looks exactly like Zapdos with slightly bigger legs abd its wings closed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Where does it say that they're genetically related?
                And no, naming doesn't count.
                Koala bears are called that without being bears at all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Where does it say they aren't. Oh right, it doesn't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Every other regional form is called that explicitely, the galar birds are only said to ressemble the kanto ones.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the galar birds are only said to ressemble the kanto ones.
                On the website which hasn't ever been accurate in that regard.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >missing the point entirely
              It's named Zapdos because in-universe people thought it was Zapdos before realizing it wasn't and the name had already stuck.
              If you saw a picture of Wiglett before the official name released you could call it "Paldean Diglett", but it's canonically a different pokemon. It's the same thing with the birds, except they don't have a "correct" name.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >When its feathers rub together, they produce a crackling sound like the zapping of electricity. That's why this Pokémon is called Zapdos.
              Its called Zapdos because it reminded people of the actual Zapdos. They're otherwise unrelated powerful bird pokemon.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The semi-canon explanation is that the Galar birds are actually similar unrelated pokemon, and they just got the Kanto names because people saw them from a distance and didn't know the difference
            Would you look at that the birth of another "Ho-oh made the beasts" tier headcanon.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's literally directly from the website. This part doesn't mention them being seperate species, but IIRC in-game text presents the idea that they aren't just regionals.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This part doesn't mention them being seperate species, but IIRC in-game text presents the idea that they aren't just regionals.
                Yep, that's how it is. You people read the site, take it as gospel and when the game says otherwise you ignore the game because it doesn't agree with you.

                FYI there's nothing in game that supports that they aren't actually a variant of the birds. In fact the Shield entry outright says that Galarian Moltres was the one that originally inspired the name.

                If you people knew how to read you wouldn't be in this position.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The ded entry just says Galarian Moltres is called that because if how it looks, not that it was the original user of the name. That's literally supporting the explanation given
                >see fiery bird up in the sky
                >think it's Moltres because it looks similar
                >realize later that it isn't Moltres after a closer look
                All 3 birds have similar entries, but only for the Galarian forms, not the originals, because they are there to explain why the Garians were named after the originals.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The sinister aura that blazes like molten fire around this Pokémon is what inspired the name Moltres.
                I get reading comprehension isn't your forte but this isn't saying it was given the name Moltres. It said it INSPIRED the name Moltres.
                To explain it in a way you would understand
                >see fire bird up in the sky
                >don't know what to call it
                >it looks like molten fire
                >they coin the name Moltres

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >All 3 birds have similar entries, but only for the Galarian forms, not the originals, because they are there to explain why the Garians were named after the originals.
                Only Zapdos and Moltres have entries like that.
                G Moltres says it was the first Moltres
                G Zapdos' sword entry mentions a similar wing rubbing behavior that the shield entry for the original mentions.
                They're literally variants of the birds, not a separate species altogether.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so why are they regional forms instead of convergent pokemon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't do convergent pokemon till the gen after, same reason nidoran male and female arre a different species when pokemon like meowstic and indeedee exist

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The sinister aura that blazes like molten fire around this Pokémon is what inspired the name Moltres.
                Galarian Moltres was named for resembling the actual Moltres.
                Its not a real 'variant' of Moltres, just a powerful bird pokemon that resembled it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                with all these dex entries it wouldn't surprise me if they were a "beta version" for convergent mons in gen 9 the regi's abilities in gen 8 are also a beta version for terastal phenomen

                moltres
                >The sinister aura that blazes like molten fire around this Pokémon is what inspired the name Moltres.
                zapdos
                >When its feathers rub together, they produce a crackling sound like the zapping of electricity. That's why this Pokémon is called Zapdos.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Probably so.
                I figure it started with Gen V with them ending up semi-replicating a lot of Gen 1 monsters in a same-but-different way.
                Then they took that a step further afterwards with regional variants, then another step with convergents. Ways to get around the issue of having too similar of pokemon, but still allowing for the creation of new monsters in similar niches.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, unlike convergent they're actual variants that share traits with the original rather than looking the.
                Ultimately that's the difference between the two.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >imaginationgays have now moved to denying the galarian trio to keep their headcanon intact

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The bird discussion has nothing to do with either theory, just a side tangent from this boring repetitive "argument"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no, it's directly related. same gays are denying walking wake because "omg ho-oh created the beasts!!" even though a sketch artist drew a hybrid of them 50 years before they were supposed to be created. now these morons are claiming "galar birds are not related at all!" because if they exist, then their entire theory about Johto collapses in on itself and can no longer deny Walking Wake.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >terapogos makes a 1:1 clone
    >SEE IT'S IMAGINATION
    >terapogos makes pokemon that look nothing like the book
    >S-SEE, I-IMAGINATION
    >terapogos only gives 2 raidons no matter how much the professor wants more
    >.....

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the professor died too soon though and the other one didn't even wanted the paradoxes to begin with

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        shoulda just imagined them away

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >37ips
    >186 votes
    wow that's crazy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I voted but didn't post, moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yesterday when the thread had less than ten posts, there's already around fifty votes. You can make of that what you will.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Most people vote without replying while lurking the front page, why is this a shock? Are you new?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          IT IS LE BOTTED POL OBVIOUSLY!

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The legendary dogs are reincarnations of Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon who died in the burnt tower and you can't convince me otherwise. It's why the Kimono Girls keep using Eeveelutions in their ceremonies.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up right now.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't engage with imginationautists, just grill them until they start blurting insane headcanons to explain away why their theory is correct. They will either 1) have a mental breakdown 2) ad hominem or 3) cherry-pick your post to try and squeak out a response.
    >can't explain the plate in Area Zero
    >can't explain why the professor could only bring 2 Raidon's to the present even though they wanted more
    >can't explain why imagination pokemon match the DNA of their present counterparts
    >can't explain why the imagination pokemon didn't copy the drawings in the book and rather made Walking Wake into raptor suicune and not a beast hybrid
    >can't explain where the AI goes at the end of the story. their wish was to go on an adventure in the past/future, do they just conveniently poof out of existence?
    Do not engage. They cannot answer these questions without extreme headcanon. The replies to this post will be nothing but drivel and bait.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bro, stop with the pasta. He already thinks that there's a single "timegay-kun"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >schizo posting
      embarassing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >can't explain the plate in Area Zero
      neither can time trannies the plate in area zero has nothing to do with time travel/imagination it will be something to figure out in the DLC
      >can't explain why the professor could only bring 2 Raidon's to the present even though they wanted more
      because one died too soon and the AI doesn't even like the idea of bringing more paradoxes
      >can't explain why imagination pokemon match the DNA of their present counterparts
      what is there to explain? mewtwo is also an artificial pokemon and shares DNA with an existing pokemon
      >can't explain why the imagination pokemon didn't copy the drawings in the book and rather made Walking Wake into raptor suicune and not a beast hybrid
      gamefreak trolling us
      >can't explain where the AI goes at the end of the story. their wish was to go on an adventure in the past/future, do they just conveniently poof out of existence?
      dead gone reduced to atoms

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >can't explain the plate in Area Zero
      What plate?
      >can't explain why the professor could only bring 2 Raidon's to the present even though they wanted more
      They wanted more paradox pokemon not more Miraidon/Koraidon specifically.
      They only wanted another Miraidon/Koraidon because the first one was based on a Cyclizard while the second matched more with their idea of Winged King/Iron Serpent.
      >can't explain why imagination pokemon match the DNA of their present counterparts
      Do they ever show RNA strands in the game or is this another one of your timetroony headcanons?
      >can't explain why the imagination pokemon didn't copy the drawings in the book and rather made Walking Wake into raptor suicune and not a beast hybrid
      You're assuming it's based on the book and not the occulture depiction.
      >can't explain where the AI goes at the end of the story. their wish was to go on an adventure in the past/future, do they just conveniently poof out of existence?
      That's not even an argument against imagination.

      Now explain how Heath saw a Raidon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>>can't explain the plate in Area Zero
      Plate doesn't have anything to do with either theory, unless you're saying imaginationgays think everything in the book is fake when no one thinks that.

      >>can't explain where the AI goes at the end of the story. their wish was to go on an adventure in the past/future, do they just conveniently poof out of existence?
      Either way they die I think.
      >Time machine isn't real
      >they just get re-absorbed back into Terapagos since they're made of crystals
      >time machine is real
      >they either die instantly upon arrival because there's not enough tera crystals there or are trapped in the same place forever and die the second they try to do anything
      They also say their consciousness is actually in a computer and they control a robotic body, so unless Area Zero has the wifi signal of the gods and goes across spacetime they'd probably get 'disconnected' and just be a robot crystal husk.

      There's no good ending for them no matter what.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    every thread

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >paste in premade list of "questions" that [group you don't like] "won't ever answer"
    >ignore all answers provided
    >claim that "nobody tried to answer" and therefore you win
    >repeat as necessary
    Winning every argument sure is easy when you ignore reality altogether. I should try it some time.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      considering the IP count of this thread hasn't changed for hours you already do that

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I made a post ITT yesterday and then checked back today to see the thread still going and was suprised. So yes, the IP count didn't go up, but not because I'm one of the people currently arguing with you over your delusion.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly think the Beast Trio's lore is just world building as in, just a fake story in-universe. People pearl clutching that the beasts are for real reincarnations of dead animals instead of just "a rare pokemon" is really weird.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >par·a·dox
    >a seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true.
    Isn't what's happening in the game the whole point to solving the paradox? You have scifi mags calling into question the legitimacy of the time machine, but when information is given during the DLC it's going to prove that it actually is? What's the point of them being paradoxes if the entire 4th storyline was a red herring?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Isn't what's happening in the game the whole point to solving the paradox?
      No, its about what the frick Terapagos wants. It's clearly manipulating events but for what reason is unknown.
      >You have scifi mags calling into question the legitimacy of the time machine,
      The Occulture magazines are based on the book and make up literally everything that isn't the description of the pokemon. It has nothing to do with anything.
      >but when information is given during the DLC it's going to prove that it actually is?
      The time travel story is 90% over. There's no need to revisit it beyond the time paradox involved with the book.
      >What's the point of them being paradoxes if the entire 4th storyline was a red herring?
      What the frick are you talking about?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >No, its about what the frick Terapagos wants. It's clearly manipulating events but for what reason is unknown.
        This is the most headcanon thing I've heard today. Khu suggested it's a tool, and until this point it's been used as a tool IE: tera orbs, time machine, AI

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Khu suggested it's a tool,
          >living, breathing pokemon
          >clearly fricks with people's heads between heath and the professors
          >just a tool

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Khu suggested it's a tool
          No he didn't.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ho-oh didn't create the legendary beast species, it just turned the dead mons into three more of those already existing species.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >imaginationgays and time travelgays will continue to war until the end of time
    >atlantischads are gonna win no matter what in the end
    lol?

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Imaginationchads : "here's a theory that attempts to tie together various disparate elements of the plot. It's not perfect but it would explain this and that."

    >Timetrannies : "no you're wrong anyone who says it's not time travel is wrong, nobody actually thinks it's not time travel, everyone who implies it isn't is the same guy just resetting his IP, time travel theory makes perfect sense on every point if you just assume the time machine has built-in paradox correction and can send Pokémon all over the timeline and works in ways I just made up and are never talked about ingame and if you dare question any of it you're an ip-resetting schizo"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's more like
      >imaginationgays: we don't n like time travel so we're going n to scream and B shout about how illogical it is.
      >our theory? The frick do you want to know about our theory for? That's not relevant time travel sucks!

      >time travel/atlantis chads: we played the game, it says time travel and the datamines hint at an atlantis theme.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're just proving his point, you aren't bringing any actual counterargument, just seething that people are saying "timetravel doesn't make sense"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >you aren't bringing any actual counterargument, just seething that people are saying "timetravel doesn't make sense"
          Anon, that's the point he's trying to make.
          If you've played the game there's no reason to even think that imagination is possible because there is no evidence supporting it making it a completely ludicrous theory believed only by people who want to piss people off and be contrarian.
          Did it never strike you as odd that people who believe it spend more time trying and failing to "debunk" other theories than to prove their own?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >there's no reason to even think that imagination is possible because there is no evidence supporting it

            idk man, I think the game itself questioning the whole time travel aspect directly in the form of Arven saying "wait that doesn't make sense" and Occulture books obviously being full of shit, and less directly in the form of stuff like Walking Wake (how is Suicune, a mammalian creature with panther/dog/we traits evolved from a fricking raptor) is evidence enough to start thinking that MAYBE the story isn't about time travel and not everything should be taken at face value.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              See what I mean.
              You have to purposefully misinterpret things and see what isn't there for example this
              >Arven saying "wait that doesn't make sense"
              Never actually happens. He hints at a bootstrap paradox, one of the many different time paradoxes and then immediately changes the subject.
              >Occulture books obviously being full of shit,
              The Occulture books don't play into any theory outside of the imagination theory because the games say they they're a "dubious" magazine. It also wouldn't make sense for Turo to make a time machine or any machine if he was inspired because only one Occulture book in Violet is about the future.
              Basically to say they're fact is taking away the wrong message.
              >Walking Wake (how is Suicune, a mammalian creature with panther/dog/we traits evolved from a fricking raptor)
              This one doesn't even need an explanation, they're not animals, they're monsters. Pokemon evolution doesn't have to follow real world evolution.
              What you should be thinking is how can it be imagination if it's so drastically different from the imagined design.
              >is evidence enough to start thinking that MAYBE the story isn't about time travel and not everything should be taken at face value.
              And this is the irony of it all.
              Not only are you proving the point in trying to debunk time travel rather than provide evidence for imagination, YOU are taking things at face value rather than reading between the lines so you missed Arven's time travel foreshadow in a chekhov's gun moment and believe Occulture, something the game says to doubt.

              To top it off the only response from imaginationgays is to continue what they're doing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >poster before directly calls Occulture "obviously being full of shit"
                >"you believe Occulture and are taking things at face value"

                the absolute state of timetraveltrannies, can't build an argument without misrepresenting something

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Case in point. No arguments, just anger.
                This is why everyone hates you, you're like the Eric of pokemon lore discussion

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I can present whatever arguments I want, like the multiple ways the game calls out the flawed logic of time travel, the insane convenience of Paradox Cyclizars being the strongest Paradoxes when Heath's buddy was a Cyclizar, how every Paradox from the same game conveniently matches the same aesthetics and themes (dinosaurs vs robots/cyborgs), the lack of explanation for how type-changing crystals can make an advanced AI humans have no ability to build, create a supposed time machine, help grow mystical plants with various effects depending on who eats them, but time travelers are not going to address any of these or explain them with coherent, ingame explanations.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You say you can provide evidence but almost all of this is either nonsense or going beyond the realms of lore and into mega level design.
                >the insane convenience of Paradox Cyclizars being the strongest Paradoxes when Heath's buddy was a Cyclizar,
                This is a meta level thing for instance, Cyclizar was most likely only created just to give us a present version of Raidon rather than just leaving it blank.
                >how every Paradox from the same game conveniently matches the same aesthetics and themes (dinosaurs vs robots/cyborgs),
                This is false especially where the past paradoxes are concerned since Shocks is based on a caveman, Tusk is a mammoth and Flutter and Tail are something else entirely. They're not all dinosaurs.
                >the lack of explanation for how type-changing crystals can make an advanced AI humans have no ability to build, create a supposed time machine, help grow mystical plants with various effects depending on who eats them, but time travelers are not going to address any of these or explain them with coherent, ingame explanations.
                Everyone addresses these things, you people simply handwave everything you don't like even if it has a connection to the game for example:
                The AI and time machine are Terapagos' influenced creations. You can see something similar with Heath with the page he wrote clearly resembling some kind of plan.
                The herbs are a clear mutation as a result of Terapagos' energy leaking out. And I don't think I need to explain how we know Terapagos' energy is causing changes.

                But if course you're going to kick and scream sky headcanon as usual because the idea of discussion doesn't exist to you unless it adheres to your incredibly shaky imagination theory.

                And don't samegay, it's not helping your case.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mega
                Well that's a slip

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >But if course you're going to kick and scream sky headcanon as usual because the idea of discussion doesn't exist to you unless it adheres to your incredibly shaky imagination theory.

                I mean I can do the same too. Most of your arguments are "If it doesn't fit with time travel, it's all meta level things or it's related to Terapagos anyway but is not imagination theory just because." You accuse imagination theory of handwaving things when you do exactly the same, only you do so with "it's because of Terapagos" instead of "it's because of imagination" even if it leads to exactly the same thing.

                I don't think imagination theory is right. I think it's way too shaky and too convenient to tie everything up properly. But you're doing even worse by deciding "what makes sense to me is time travel, what doesn't is Terapagos but not related to imagination, just random changes cause energy"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean I can do the same too
                You very clearly can't. This entire post doesn't even try to make an argument for imagination based on what we know, which was the point in the first place. All you can do is try and take down the idea of time travel rather than prove imagination.

                >even if it leads to exactly the same thing.
                Which it doesn't. With imagination you get a lot more plotholes that either contradict the game or the theory itself not to mention the idea that Terapagos can influence people is completely lost because of the claim that the expedition was faked.
                >what makes sense to me is time travel,
                Ignoring the fact that this part of your post is very poor English, it's not a matter of saying "what makes sense to me is time travel" but rather "the game doesn't give any evidence to anything but time travel".
                >what doesn't is Terapagos
                Anon, with the atlantis and time travel theory the big unknown is Terapagos' role. We know so little but that's not to say that no one wants to understand it which is why we attempt to piece together what we can gather and why both theories include a part about Terapagos wanting out of the hole via human influence as a plausible, but not necessarily correct answer.
                As I said before it's only in the imagination theory that doesn't take Terapagos into account as more than just a poorly defined wishing stone.
                >but not related to imagination, just random changes cause energy
                I don't even know why you added this part it makes no sense.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >All you can do is try and take down the idea of time travel rather than prove imagination.

                Like I said I think imagination has its fair share of plotholes, but less than time travel

                >With imagination you get a lot more plotholes that either contradict the game or the theory itself

                like what plotholes?

                > not to mention the idea that Terapagos can influence people is completely lost because of the claim that the expedition was faked.

                "The expedition was faked" doesn't mean "Heath never went down there".

                >it's not a matter of saying "what makes sense to me is time travel" but rather "the game doesn't give any evidence to anything but time travel".

                refer to all my points you dismiss as "it's Terapagos but not imagination" or misrepresent

                >As I said before it's only in the imagination theory that doesn't take Terapagos into account as more than just a poorly defined wishing stone.

                Time travel theory didn't take Terapagos into account until he was officially revealed and even then he's hardly related to time travel itself, he's just used as a kind of battery

                >I don't even know why you added this part (about Terapagos' energy) it makes no sense.
                Because you pin everything you can't explain on Terapagos leaking energy, which causes varying effects.. somehow, but it's definitely not imagination apparently

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but less than time travel
                Anon, there are zero plot holes with time travel currently.
                All of the tools to fill in the unknowns are there. That's more than can be said for the imagination theory.
                >like what plotholes?
                Of the top of my head
                >if it generates based on desire and what the person has in their mind why were there two Raidon with completely different personalities
                >on that note why were the Raidon genetically identifiable if they were conjured
                >how could heath see paradox pokemon in the past to inspire the book that inspired the professors
                And no saying its fake leads to even more plotholes regarding the details of the book that we can verify.
                And if you claim heath made a wish for them then the question is why did he imagine futuristic designs in an aesthetic that wouldn't exist until the modern day
                >once again if it's based on desire why were paradox pokemon being made after the professor died, everyone who went into Area Zero after the fact didn't want the paradoxes and that includes the AI
                I could go on but you get the picture.
                So far the closest thing to a plot hole with time travel is simply who sent paradox mon back 200 years and why.
                >"The expedition was faked" doesn't mean "Heath never went down there".
                Which would also mean that they murdered man for the sake of a story without the paradoxes there's no real danger in Area Zero.
                Regardless, no one can ever decide on if they faked the pokemon or faked the entire thing which just shows how poorly thought out this theory is.

                >refer to all my points you dismiss as "it's Terapagos but not imagination" or misrepresent
                Which would only refer to the AI and Time Machine both of which are the result of construction and research of the Tera crystals as you can see in the journals.

                Cont.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, there are zero plot holes with time travel currently.

                Still waiting on you to explain how tera crystals, herba mystica, etc relate to time travel without "it was Terapagos"

                >if it generates based on desire and what the person has in their mind why were there two Raidon with completely different personalities

                There was two professors at first.

                >on that note why were the Raidon genetically identifiable if they were conjured

                Because they're real, flesh and blood mons even if conjured.

                >how could heath see paradox pokemon in the past to inspire the book that inspired the professors

                Made shit up after not finding anything interesting and that inspired the professors, which is the basis of imagination theory

                >once again if it's based on desire why were paradox pokemon being made after the professor died, everyone who went into Area Zero after the fact didn't want the paradoxes and that includes the AI

                is this even english

                >they murdered man for the sake of a story without the paradoxes there's no real danger in Area Zero.

                idk man, Area Zero doesn't particularly seem hospitable with all the cliffs, pretty sure someone could easily die from a fall or something even without an hostile 'mon on their ass

                >Which would only refer to the AI and Time Machine both of which are the result of construction and research of the Tera crystals

                So the basis of time travel theory is "type-changing crystals that give out energy enabled a professor to build a time machine because.. don't question it"?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Still waiting on you to explain how tera crystals, herba mystica, etc relate to time travel without "it was Terapagos"
                I've already said how it's on you to understand it.
                >There was two professors at first.
                Okay? That doesn't answer anything.
                >Because they're real, flesh and blood mons even if conjured.
                Not by the theory they aren't and if they can be traced back to something that exists then it clearly hasn't been imagined because genetic data is far too complex for one to just think of in their mind.
                >Made shit up after not finding anything interesting
                Doesn't make an iota of sense since variants of pokemon are commonplace. It's by far the least exciting thing in the book compared to the crystals, titans and Terapagos.
                >is this even english
                It's perfect English, the fact that you don't understand it actually explains why you're having so much trouble with this concept.
                >Area Zero doesn't particularly seem hospitable with all the cliffs
                Cliffs don't naturally make something dangerous anon especially not one's as wide as the ones in Area Zero.
                >So the basis of time travel theory is "type-changing crystals that give out energy enabled a professor to build a time machine because..
                Why are you under the assumption that they can only change a pokemon's type when in game the energy given off has been used for multiple things?
                You're telling people to question it but the problem is that you don't know the first thing about the game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And here we go, you don't have any actual arguments so you're back at "no you're just too moronic to understand and your points don't answer anything"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no you're just too moronic to understand and your points don't answer anything
                Of course that's going to be the case for points that trail off
                Saying that there's "two professors" doesn't answer the question about the Raidon's personality. It's just a complete tangent without any elaboration.
                And then there's the fact that you outright didn't understand perfect English. On that basis alone I'm free to call you moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, there are zero plot holes with time travel currently.
                how did heath meet a creature from the future before the "time machine" was built?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you can ask that question without realising it answers itself just goes to show that there's no point talking to you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the fact that not even the time trannies can answer that question proves that they don't know what they're talking about either

                The time machine dipshit.
                Anyone, literally ANYONE, can just catch them in the present and throw them back into the past.
                How many times does this need to be said to you? It's like the concept of a time machine is just incompatible with your mind.

                >you can send pokemon to the past because [HEADCANON]
                the time machine doesn't send pokemon in the past in violet

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the fact that not even the time trannies can answer that question
                Anon, you've been given multiple answers one of which came from yourself.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the time machine doesn't send pokemon in the past in violet
                You fricking what.
                It's a TWO WAY time machine. If it couldn't bring things to the past then there are no future pokemon, period. Understand?
                To retrieve something from the future it needs the ability to send things back to the past.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it sends poke bal in the future back to the present not in the past

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Going from the future to the present is going back to the past you utter moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                not from the present's POV
                come back and tell me when they say they can send pokeball in the past from the present

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >not from the present's POV
                Any age is the present from the perspective of the age dumbass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's the usual suspect that love to troll timegays without contributing anything of value. Do not engage.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The time machine has specific rules that you morons conveniently ignore.
                Send pokeballs to [X time period] and bring them back.
                At no point is it said that it can send pokemon to other points in time.

                The time machine dipshit.
                Anyone, literally ANYONE, can just catch them in the present and throw them back into the past.
                How many times does this need to be said to you? It's like the concept of a time machine is just incompatible with your mind.

                The expedition team wrote about Koraidon/Miraidon, the only two raidons that were brought through the machine are caught by the player.
                Nobody could've sent those back 200 years ago.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The time machine has specific rules
                The only rule ever mentioned is that it's a one way trip for anything that's not a pokeball or in one.
                Not to mention the fact that there are Paradox pokemon in the past, one that caused a verifiable death, you can infer that the destination can be adjusted.

                Any other rules like aiming for one and only one age is headcanon that the game doesn't support.
                I'd also like to add how astronomically stupid it would be to think that of all the millions of years they could have searched they just landed on the correct time period that they wanted first try. While nothing is said in game that says it isn't a possibility thinking like that is imagination theory tiers of moronic, which I suppose explains why you thought of it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >rules like aiming for one and only one age is headcanon that the game doesn't support

                ah yes so turo sends the pokemon of the future to the past for whatever reason it suits the time trannies more

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >turo
                No one said anything about Turo so I don't see why you think he needs to be there to operate the time machine.
                And again, it's a time machine. As long as its operational the event that sent them back doesn't even have to happen in the same decade.

                The concept of a time machine is just beyond your understanding isn't it. F

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So if Turo doesn’t send the Raidon to the past, then someone else went into area zero, wasn’t stopped by the AI, and sent one of the two Raidons to the past? Or after the events of the game and the machine was shut down, someone came along to turn it back on, and sent one of the two Raidons in the player’s possession back?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The latter is far more likely.
                If someone had used it while the AI, Turo or anyone else was there that would have been recorded.
                If it happened after the events of the game, well, we obviously haven't seen it.

                Also as this anon said

                >The expedition team wrote about Koraidon/Miraidon, the only two raidons that were brought through the machine are caught by the player.
                Unless, and stay with me here, a third was brought through or even better YOU send one back temporarily.
                These aren't one of a kind pokemon like arceus and god pokemon you dipshit, anyone could, in theory, go and pull out as many as they wanted out of time.

                Raidon aren't unique it's completely possible that a new one could be found.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The expedition team wrote about Koraidon/Miraidon, the only two raidons that were brought through the machine are caught by the player.
                Unless, and stay with me here, a third was brought through or even better YOU send one back temporarily.
                These aren't one of a kind pokemon like arceus and god pokemon you dipshit, anyone could, in theory, go and pull out as many as they wanted out of time.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The time machine was turned off and the AI took the book.
                That machine is not turning back on.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The book was just an ID. Find another and you're back in business.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No it wasn't, the book was the specific item needed to turn off the time machine.
                It even has a slot built for the book specifically.
                The machine is not turning back on regardless of your headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The AI literally says the ID was embedded in the book dipshit. The book itself isn't important
                Fricking hell, you people cry like babies about people making shit up and then you go and make shit up

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Embedded how?
                They just put glue on it?
                Sewed it onto a page?
                For what purpose would the professor do that?
                You sound insane.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If the book wasn't needed they wouldn't make a pedestal specifically for the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Embedded how?
                They just put glue on it?
                Sewed it onto a page?
                For what purpose would the professor do that?
                You sound insane.

                Why do you people even try to argue against the fricking game like we can't just look up the EXACT scene that proves you wrong?
                You could tear the ID out and it would still work fine because it was never the book that was important.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You could tear the ID out and it would still work fine
                Lmao yeah, that's why they built a pedestal specifically for the book and that they don't ever present doing what you said as an option.
                Pure headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cool fanfic, explain why there's a slot specifically for the book and not for your imaginary card.

                >that they don't ever present doing what you said as an option.
                It LITERALLY says
                >To stop the time machine, you will need to use the professor's ID, which has been EMBEDDED WITHIN the Scarlet Book. It was very like the professor to put the final key we would need in that book, of all places. She loved that volume since childhood."
                Do you know how IDs work?

                And enough with the fricking samegayging. No one is so frickin stupid that they would disregard the game just because they disagree with it.
                Holy shit, you imaginationgays are so goddamn irritating, you clearly haven't touched the game but insist that you're right.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > the timetravelingtroony
                >call others samegayging
                The only samehomosexual in this thread is you timetroony

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The time machine dipshit.
                Anyone, literally ANYONE, can just catch them in the present and throw them back into the past.
                How many times does this need to be said to you? It's like the concept of a time machine is just incompatible with your mind.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Someone sent it back obviously.
                How did Heath even conceptualise a sleek futuristic design back when they were still using wooden pokeballs?

                It's like thinking is optional with you guys.

                and so should I ignore the fact that they have conveniently found magical herbs that can cure any ill after a paradox attack that can also cure arven's handicapped dog?

                Yes? Healing herbs aren't even anything new to this series, dumbass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Time travel theory didn't take Terapagos into account until he was officially revealed
                I'm going to assume that this is your first thread on this matter because that is the only way you could have missed the period of time where everyone said exactly what I'm saying only Terapagos was called Discmon/cratermon/turtle because we didn't know it's name at the time.
                >and even then he's hardly related to time travel itself, he's just used as a kind of battery
                Anon, he's used as a battery in the imagination theory, literally. Of the two main variations of the theory it's either that it generates things passively or that it's simply being used as fuel for the imagination machine.
                With time travel from day one it was said that it was orchestrating events.
                >Because you pin everything you can't explain on Terapagos leaking energy, which causes varying effects.. somehow, but it's definitely not imagination apparently
                Anon that point didn't make any sense, all you said was "random changes creates energy" that doesn't tell me anything about what you're trying to say.
                In any case, it's literally a massive unstable energy source that can mutate pokemon into different types, is it really that hard for you to believe that it could do the same for plantlife?
                In fact it can only be the same in the imagination theory too since no one can imagine the effects of something they've never seen before.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm going to assume that this is your first thread on this matter because that is the only way you could have missed the period of time where everyone said exactly what I'm saying only

                Time Travelers didn't talk about Disk-kun or Wisher at all. I was there, I saw it, it was an imagination thing.

                >Anon, he's used as a battery in the imagination theory, literally.
                With the books showing Heath passing out and being passed down knowledge he doesn't understand? Doesn't seem passive.

                >In any case, it's literally a massive unstable energy source that can mutate pokemon into different types, is it really that hard for you to believe that it could do the same for plantlife?

                My point is how can you use that in the time travel theory while pretending "but it's not at all imagination, it's completely unrelated" when it's effectively just used as a similar plothole fixer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Time Travelers didn't talk about Disk-kun or Wisher at all. I was there, I saw it, it was an imagination thing.
                Searching for those terms to prove you wrong isn't a hard task anon. It was always being considered no matter how much you deny it.

                >With the books showing Heath passing out and being passed down knowledge he doesn't understand? Doesn't seem passive.
                You are aware that the mind control aspect was never considered in the imagination theory, correct? This is exactly why I said it was only seen as a battery for wishes.
                Terapagos' influence goes completely ignored because in the imagination theory it would make no sense for him to draw blueprints.

                >when it's effectively just used as a similar plothole fixer
                Is that really how you see it anon?
                Despite the fact that the two are used in completely different ways with one being congruent to what the game is saying and the other just being low tier reality warping with no rules.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This is false especially where the past paradoxes are concerned since Shocks is based on a caveman, Tusk is a mammoth and Flutter and Tail are something else entirely. They're not all dinosaurs.

                are you dumb or what? they're not dinosaurs they all have dinosaurs-like elements for some fricking reason sandy shocks even has a tail

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >sandy shocks even has a tail
                NTA but that's a ponytail.
                It's meant to resemble hair.
                Not a dino tail.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Everyone addresses these things, you people simply handwave everything you don't like even if it has a connection to the game for example:
                >The AI and time machine are Terapagos' influenced creations. You can see something similar with Heath with the page he wrote clearly resembling some kind of plan.
                >The herbs are a clear mutation as a result of Terapagos' energy leaking out. And I don't think I need to explain how we know Terapagos' energy is causing changes.

                oh weird heath found these herbs right after someone got wounded by great tusk it's almost like they wished for magic herbs that can cure every fricking thing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >oh weird heath found these herbs right after someone got wounded by great tusk
                Wounded?
                He DIED.
                Have you people played this game before? The herbs don't cure death you know.

                And what are you talking about "right after" like these pages don't take place days apart?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and so should I ignore the fact that they have conveniently found magical herbs that can cure any ill after a paradox attack that can also cure arven's handicapped dog?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the lack of explanation for how type-changing crystals
                Terastallization is only one thing they can do. It's a fricking massive power source you know.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How does having a power source enable time travel and AI explicitly stated to be impossible to make by humans?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you understand the implications of a time machine. The thing was working LONG before the AI and if the it survived in the future one could go into the future, take the knowledge how to make an AI and bring it back to the present using the future version of the time machine.
                As for the time machine itself, you're acting like they haven't existed in pokemon since gen 2.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So the time machine worked fine enough to take knowledge of how to make super advanced AI from the future and.. the prof needed the AI around to help him complete the time machine anyway? All while the AI itself says "humanity does not possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI" despite clearly being here? And how does that work out for Sada who wouldn't be interested by peeking into the future?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the prof needed the AI around to help him complete the time machine anyway
                What did I JUST say?
                The time machine was working long before the AI so it wasn't necessary to complete it.
                >All while the AI itself says "humanity does not possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI"
                You missed a key part of that that brings it all together.
                The full line is
                >humanity does not possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI AT PRESENT"
                The AI is saying that humans will have that knowledge, just not yet.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The time machine was working long before the AI so it wasn't necessary to complete it.

                so why even bring the AI into the picture

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                To make their dream of paradise come about faster.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Couldn't they just hop into the time machine to get to their paradise if it was already working before the AI got there

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick, you don't even fess up to the fact that you openly misinterpreted what anon posted and instead try to attack the other person who rightfully called you out. Why you think anyone should respect your opinions is beyond me.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Occulture books obviously being full of shit
              I don't think anyone has ever treated them as fact except for imaginationgays when they say it inspired the professors.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >here's a theory that attempts to tie together various disparate elements of the plot. It's not perfect but it would explain this and that."
      The problem is that it doesn't explain anything and just ignores the game. I mean, you people still think that Heath faked he expedition despite the book lining up perfectly with everything we've seen just because the imagination theory can't explain why paradoxes would be in the past if it isn't an actual time machine.
      But instead of trying to explain your reasoning you fall back on "time travel can't happen because the time machine can't do it!" and avoid it entirely.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >you people still think that Heath faked he expedition
        Nobody has every actually said this, schizo

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    people here don't accept the idea of imagination materializing yet tera mechanic is materializing a different type on a pokémon from nothing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or the whole deal with a even-better-than-the-original AI professor just popping up like that

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is if we theorize a "middle form" between paradox suicune and the Suicune resurrected from Ho-Oh

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The game stated that the pokémon are from the past and the future that came thanks to a Time machine that we have seen in action.

    Now,I understand why you'd think it cannot be it because we've seen paradox Pokemon appear in the Scarlet and Violet books, but that might just be Gamefreak's oversight.

    I don't think it's worth digging too much.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pokémon makes no sense, to begin with, and I was initially hugely disappointed that they were genuinely going with time travel with creatively bankrupt past (add spikes renewed for Gen 9) and future (brooo future is robots!!) forms instead of speculative evolution on which the entire series is based on. But the introduction of Walking Wake made clear that this is a massive contradiction to very established lore and that either GameFreak didn't care (which, let's be honest, is the actual truth) or, if we are to assume there is any coherent canon at all, must be either some multiversal shenanigans where some convergent evolution produced something that looked a bit like Suicune but really isn't or a product of imagination come true.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >But the introduction of Walking Wake made clear that this is a massive contradiction to very established lore
      And therein lies the problem.
      It's not that pokemon lore is messy is that people don't pay fricking attention and think their headcanon is actual canon.
      I mean, you THINK Walking Wake breaks established canon but that comes from the false idea that Ho-oh created them, literally nothing in the game says that.
      The closest thing to a creation story they have is Entei's dex entry
      >A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears.
      But it doesn't say shit about Ho-oh.

      It's the same with Lugia being the master of the birds.
      Heck people are already fricking up the lore with SV too like these two

      No it wasn't, the book was the specific item needed to turn off the time machine.
      It even has a slot built for the book specifically.
      The machine is not turning back on regardless of your headcanon.

      If the book wasn't needed they wouldn't make a pedestal specifically for the book.

      They don't want to accept that the book was never really important.

      If you just apply a modicum of thought and pay attention to the game as you play it you'll see how few mistakes there actually are.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cool fanfic, explain why there's a slot specifically for the book and not for your imaginary card.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let me break the mystery for you.

    Past = dinos
    Future = robots
    GameFreak took the idea from Chrono Trigger.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The best part is the book DOES say he met a mystery person, but autists argue that's a lie.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's on the cover of the book and the dex mentions an unseen page about it. It exists we just don't see it just like the other paradox pokemon.
      Why don't you fricking imagination dipshits ever pay attention?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You've lost the entire plot if you think that post was in support of imagination. These threads have gone to shit because of people like you.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You've lost the entire plot if you think that post was in support of imagination
          Don't try and act like the fact that Heath made up the paradoxes isn't a pillar of the imagination theory you flaming falseflagging homosexual.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Nowhere did I say he made them up, moron. Maybe play the game and read instead of lashing out at people.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Nowhere did I say he made them up, moron.
              Are you being fricking stupid on purpose or didn't you realise what image you posted? If you can't read English it says
              >nowhere in the book does it say Heath saw a raidon
              But wait, in game you can find this!
              >This seems to be the Winged King mentioned in an old expedition journal. It was said to have split the land with its bare fists.
              >This seems to be the Iron Serpent mentioned in an old book. The Iron Serpent is said to have turned the land to ash with its lightning.
              It's almost as if pages we DON'T see exist or something!
              But you're probably going to go
              >but anooooon that's the dex, it's not accurate!
              Well frick the dex then, there are other sources in the game referring to unknown pages like the Occulture books that refer to the descriptions in the book that we don't see and let's not forget Arven's entire questline where he's reading the Scarlet book, specifically detailed pages about the herbs and their effects that we also don't see.

              God you imaginationgays need to fricking play the gane and understand that there are things we haven't seen that the game mentions.

              And your image doesn't even mean shit in this conversation so why the frick did you even post it?

              God you people make me wish for a nuclear apocalypse.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You realize the AI went into the machine with the book at the end of the story right
                You realize Heath has a page of the book in his handwriting that he doesn't remember writing right
                You realize that we don't know of any other events like this right
                You realize this is a common trope of time travel right
                You realize you're a fricking moron and the reason these threads fricking suck right. You need to be spoonfed because you can't see past your nose and any instance of conflict you need to shit your pants and double down.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick are you even talking about? What does any of that have to do with the fact that there are pages of the book that we haven't seen?
                >You realize this is a common trope of time travel
                You haven't mentioned ANY tropes of time travel. Are you going insane or something?
                >and the reason these threads fricking suck right
                Are you fricking stupid? These threads are going to shit because you people come here trying to talk about the lore but have absolutely no interest beyond what your shitty YouTubers and clickbait articles say so you bring up shit like.
                >Ho-oh made the beasts!
                >imagination is the reason!
                >ditto is related to Mew!
                >Mimikyu are dead pikachu!
                And don't fricking leave people call you a braindead single celled organism.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw autists now deny the galarian birds to try and explain away multiple instances of legendaries
    >completely forget that Brandon owns the regis
    >completely forget that Brandon owns the kanto birds
    >completely forget that the Kanto birds are in Kalos
    >Heatran has a gender
    >Swords of Justice are caught in the wild in Galar
    b-b-but the legendaries are unique!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >b-b-but the legendaries are unique!
      i mean some of them are but others aren't and it's not that difficult to find out which one is without counting anime and manga

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Some legendaries are unique, others aren't.
      The Galarian Birds are not variants of the Kanto Birds, they're simply different pokemon that were similar in appearance or characteristics and earned the same names for it.

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I’m still saying time travel but that doesn’t explain Suicune Paradox. Suicune is a more recent Pokémon that was risen from the powers of Ho-oh, how a past paradox version of that could exist doesn’t make sense unless there is a paradox Ho-oh and a past paradox Entei and Raikou. Then one could argue it’s a different timeline of similar events.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Suicune is a more recent Pokémon that was risen from the powers of Ho-oh
      Oh
      My
      Fricking
      GOD!

      How many times do you have to be told that Ho-oh didn't make them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ho-oh redesigned them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You know, I think we need to make an info graphic of pokemon lore for these threads. This is getting ridiculous.
        Between this and people denying that there are multiple legendaries to the point that the Galarian birds are being questioned for the first time in the what two years the dlc has been out? it's just getting tiresome correcting people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          We should make one for the imagination theory too. Still can't make heads or tails of it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        HEAVILY implies in Gen 2 that Ho-oh transformed dead eeveelutions into the legendary cats/dogs. Play the damn games.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, it does not say anything like that
          Not in GS
          Not in Crystal
          Not in HGSS
          Nowhere.

          The ONLY piece of media that even implies such a thing is the generations short and that is non canon as frick.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The ONLY piece of media that even implies such a thing is the generations short and that is non canon as frick

            and you think that TPC had nothing to do with the creation of this episode? Don't you think someone from upstairs came in and said "make 'em like dogs"?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >and you think that TPC had nothing to do with the creation of this episode?
              TPC was the ONLY one that had input that's why it doesn't fricking matter and so much shit was done for the sake of eyecandy. To top it off it was a part of ba dream/imagination sequence anyway.

              t. Didn’t play the games

              Prove me fricking wrong. Find anything in game that says Ho-oh gave them new forms.

              And don't be like this illiterate dumbass

              >* - In the basement are three Pokemon: Raikou, Entei and Suicune. They flee the tower as Player approaches their locale, Suicune staying a moment longer than the others to examine Player, and are thereafter randomly encountered throughout Johto.

              > Outside the tower:

              >[006] : Three big POKEMON ran off in different directions. What were they?

              >* - A new man, [007], has appeared.

              >[007] : In the distant past... This tower burned in a fire. Three nameless POKEMON perished in it. A rainbow-colored POKEMON descended from the sky and resurrected them... It's a legend that has been passed down by ECRUTEAK GYM LEADERS.

              > Me? I was a trainer way back when. Hohoho!
              .....
              >WiseTrio 1: When the BRASS TOWER burned down, three nameless POKEMON were said to have perished. It was tragic. However... A rainbow-colored POKEMON... In other words... HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKEMON. They are...SUICUNE, ENTEI and RAIKOU. That is what they say.
              And as we see in the HGSS graphic, those original nameless pokemon weren't Suicunes, Enteis, or Raikous. But vague small quadrupeds.
              Ho-Oh created the legendary beasts. Play the games.

              Who clearly can't read English. Because this
              >A rainbow-colored POKEMON descended from the sky and resurrected them...
              >and gave new life to the three POKEMON.
              Doesn't say anything to that effect because reviving and and giving new forms aren't synonymous with each other

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he is literally pretending to be moronic now
                Ho-oh resurrect three nameless pokemon into the three beast time troony, make better bait next time

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ho-oh resurrect three nameless pokemon
                No shit. Having no name doesn't mean that they didn't have the same forms, it means they weren't named.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Having no name doesn't mean that they didn't have the same forms, it means they weren't named.
                >this moronic bait
                >or he think the three beast exist before Ho-oh create them with the current form
                Is this your new headcanon timetroony? See for yourself anons, this is the moronic timetroony I'm talking about

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>or he think the three beast exist before Ho-oh create them with the current form
                >still hasn't proven that they didn't have the forms before Ho-oh rezzed them
                Evidence, homie.
                That's the only way you can prove your claim.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hasn't proven that they didn't have the forms before Ho-oh rezzed them
                >he think three legendary pokemon died in a fire they could easily escape
                Why are you pretending to be moronic timetroony?

                I'm not following the argument being made by the other guy, but the whole beast argument is dumb to begin with. The timelines between SV and Johto don't line up, and you also have to believe that 1) Johto beasts are the only instance of Suicune/Entei/Raikou 2) over a 1 million+ timespan, Ho-Oh(s) only used its revival power once and 3) Suicune/Entei/Raikou are not naturally occurring.

                You would never make this argument until SV where you would deny a particular theory because it doubts your own understanding of game lore. On top of that, the Swords of Justice are not unique, so you don't encounter this issue if you strictly look at Violet. It's a strange hill to die on with no benefit of doing so.

                >and you also have to believe that 1) Johto beasts are the only instance of Suicune/Entei/Raikou 2) over a 1 million+ timespan, Ho-Oh(s) only used its revival power once and 3) Suicune/Entei/Raikou are not naturally occurring.
                >headcanon again
                What's with playing the game timetroony? Now you didn't believe the game?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What's with playing the game timetroony? Now you didn't believe the game?'
                This is incoherent so you need to rephrase.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's mad about being BTFO'd on multiple fronts that he's calling everyone a single anon aka time troony.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >said the time troony that got btfo so mad he gotta make so many moronic thread yet can't even win the vote

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you are talking to timetroony.

                Case in point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >me replying to different people
                >>case in point
                Timetroony are you moronic?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it means they weren't named.
                If that was the case the text would say that they were named after being revived.
                But instead it says that after the three unknown pokemon died, were revived and came out of the tower as Entei Raikou and Suicune.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >headcanon
                I thought you played the game timetroony?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If that was the case the text would say that they were named after being revived.
                That's literally what was said here

                >* - In the basement are three Pokemon: Raikou, Entei and Suicune. They flee the tower as Player approaches their locale, Suicune staying a moment longer than the others to examine Player, and are thereafter randomly encountered throughout Johto.

                > Outside the tower:

                >[006] : Three big POKEMON ran off in different directions. What were they?

                >* - A new man, [007], has appeared.

                >[007] : In the distant past... This tower burned in a fire. Three nameless POKEMON perished in it. A rainbow-colored POKEMON descended from the sky and resurrected them... It's a legend that has been passed down by ECRUTEAK GYM LEADERS.

                > Me? I was a trainer way back when. Hohoho!
                .....
                >WiseTrio 1: When the BRASS TOWER burned down, three nameless POKEMON were said to have perished. It was tragic. However... A rainbow-colored POKEMON... In other words... HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKEMON. They are...SUICUNE, ENTEI and RAIKOU. That is what they say.
                And as we see in the HGSS graphic, those original nameless pokemon weren't Suicunes, Enteis, or Raikous. But vague small quadrupeds.
                Ho-Oh created the legendary beasts. Play the games.

                Do you need them to constantly mention it like this or something?
                >The three nameless pokemon now known as entei, raikou and suicune died in he burning tower marking the graves of entei, raikou and suicune.
                >it was then that Ho-oh descended and resurrected the pokemon now known as entei, raikou and suicune and we named them entei, raikou and suicune
                That's fricking stupid, sure the games are made for kids but come the frick on, you can't be this stupid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you are talking to timetroony.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They don't say that at all but whatever as long as it helps your headcanon imagination gay.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >timetroony
                >tell others they use headcanon
                Do you still think Suicune has a dino ancestor timetroony?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >imagination gay.
                What the frick are you talking about? If I believed in that dumbass theory I would be saying Ho-oh made them because that's the only reason people are saying Walking Wake doesn't make sense.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So somehow 3 of the strongest pokemon in Johto got trapped in a fire they could have easily escaped and didn't have names yet despite being extremely powerful wandering monsters that everyone should have known?
                Whatever they were before the burning, the Legendary Beasts only became as such after Ho-Oh revived them and made them far more powerful for it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, I'm telling you, you are talking to the timetraveltroony that make all threads about this. You could notice this by checking his posting style and he always ignore the game text when it doesn't support his stupid timetravel theory.

                Checkout the posting style this anon

                >>You say every single source but post a website known for its poor track record
                >d-doesn't count
                Okay, let's try the Pokedex then.
                Cyclizar has been allowing people to ride on its back since ancient times. Depictions of this have been found in 10,000-year-old murals.
                Does this not count either? How about all the Cyclizar being ridden ingame? Or the Cyclizar 'garages' at the start of every town? Or the Cyclizar getting modded out by team star and still being okay with it? or Heath's? Every single source in the game shows these Pokemon being domesticated, but in typical timeschizo fashion you're ignoring it because it btfos your headcanon.
                able to allegedly do these things doesn't mean that they can/will in game
                And yet Koraidon's signature move is very similar to what the Pokedex says he does.
                >>It was said to have split the land with its bare fists.
                >>The user transforms and crashes to the ground, causing a massive prehistoric explosion
                As for the Tao Trio, the lore also states they follow those who believe in truth/ideals, which is exactly what it was doing. There are no contradictories anywhere.
                >Or wishing isn't a thing
                Or maybe their wishes are inherently contradictory. Paradoxical one could even say.
                >That's not what that post says at all we're talking about a poll on /vp/ not the rest of the Internet.
                Not only have you been trying to say imagination theory only exists on /vp/, you've even made up a singular boogeyman that only exists to pedal that theory. You're now trying to backpedal and say "w-well I was only talking about the users of /vp/" as if people on this board don't use other social media or youtube.
                [...]
                >>What? I never said anything like that.
                [...]

                >you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.
                Sounds like you know a lot about botting polls, timegay-kun.

                shows you and you will know its him

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not following the argument being made by the other guy, but the whole beast argument is dumb to begin with. The timelines between SV and Johto don't line up, and you also have to believe that 1) Johto beasts are the only instance of Suicune/Entei/Raikou 2) over a 1 million+ timespan, Ho-Oh(s) only used its revival power once and 3) Suicune/Entei/Raikou are not naturally occurring.

                You would never make this argument until SV where you would deny a particular theory because it doubts your own understanding of game lore. On top of that, the Swords of Justice are not unique, so you don't encounter this issue if you strictly look at Violet. It's a strange hill to die on with no benefit of doing so.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Checkout the posting style this anon

                >>You say every single source but post a website known for its poor track record


                >d-doesn't count
                Okay, let's try the Pokedex then.
                Cyclizar has been allowing people to ride on its back since ancient times. Depictions of this have been found in 10,000-year-old murals.
                Does this not count either? How about all the Cyclizar being ridden ingame? Or the Cyclizar 'garages' at the start of every town? Or the Cyclizar getting modded out by team star and still being okay with it? or Heath's? Every single source in the game shows these Pokemon being domesticated, but in typical timeschizo fashion you're ignoring it because it btfos your headcanon.
                able to allegedly do these things doesn't mean that they can/will in game
                And yet Koraidon's signature move is very similar to what the Pokedex says he does.
                >>It was said to have split the land with its bare fists.
                >>The user transforms and crashes to the ground, causing a massive prehistoric explosion
                As for the Tao Trio, the lore also states they follow those who believe in truth/ideals, which is exactly what it was doing. There are no contradictories anywhere.
                >Or wishing isn't a thing
                Or maybe their wishes are inherently contradictory. Paradoxical one could even say.
                >That's not what that post says at all we're talking about a poll on /vp/ not the rest of the Internet.
                Not only have you been trying to say imagination theory only exists on /vp/, you've even made up a singular boogeyman that only exists to pedal that theory. You're now trying to backpedal and say "w-well I was only talking about the users of /vp/" as if people on this board don't use other social media or youtube.
                [...]
                >>What? I never said anything like that.
                [...]

                >you just have to have the poll open on your phone and reset your IP there while still using your pc to post.
                Sounds like you know a lot about botting polls, timegay-kun. # shows you and you will know its him
                I don't even believe in the time travel theory (based atlantis Chads represent) but you're insane.
                The guy in the posts you picked out didn't utter a single swear while the guy now is enraged and constantly swearing because of the stupidity of the people here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You’re fricking moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He is not really moronic, as you can see timetroony is mostly baiting. Don't waste time argue with it, just call out its moronation

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            t. Didn’t play the games

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >* - In the basement are three Pokemon: Raikou, Entei and Suicune. They flee the tower as Player approaches their locale, Suicune staying a moment longer than the others to examine Player, and are thereafter randomly encountered throughout Johto.

        > Outside the tower:

        >[006] : Three big POKEMON ran off in different directions. What were they?

        >* - A new man, [007], has appeared.

        >[007] : In the distant past... This tower burned in a fire. Three nameless POKEMON perished in it. A rainbow-colored POKEMON descended from the sky and resurrected them... It's a legend that has been passed down by ECRUTEAK GYM LEADERS.

        > Me? I was a trainer way back when. Hohoho!
        .....
        >WiseTrio 1: When the BRASS TOWER burned down, three nameless POKEMON were said to have perished. It was tragic. However... A rainbow-colored POKEMON... In other words... HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKEMON. They are...SUICUNE, ENTEI and RAIKOU. That is what they say.
        And as we see in the HGSS graphic, those original nameless pokemon weren't Suicunes, Enteis, or Raikous. But vague small quadrupeds.
        Ho-Oh created the legendary beasts. Play the games.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Now you didn't trust the game? Shut the frick up with your headcanon timetroony

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i understand what people mean now when they say there's a time travel schizo. see you next thread

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think people are just over complicating this whole thing. It's pretty obvious this is just Ultra Space: Electric Boogaloo.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imaginationgays : "this shit is full of plotholes, the only way to connect qll of this is.. mysterious vaguely defined imagination powers that can do anything!"

    Timetrannies : "plotholes? no there's none, everything is logical in a way or another because the game says it's time travel"

    The truth : Game Freak/TPCi didn't think about hidden answers or plot holes. There's no hidden true theory. They just wrote a story for children and left it open-ended because they didn't think homosexualy manchildren would fight over their favorite flavors of plot magic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > mysterious vaguely defined imagination powers that can do anything!
      Is it really that mysterious? Terapagos has wish granting powers, Heath lied about what he found and the professor thinks its a time machine, it's pretty simple to understand.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Vaguely defined in the sense of how the wish granting is made, if Terapagos even has control over it, if there is limits to its scale, etc

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Oh true, I guess we'll find out when the DLC drops. It's easy to forget we don't really have the whole story.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Doubt we'll find out anything in the dlc.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The DLC is literally about terapagos and area zero. That's the other reason I personally don't think it's time travel, we've done all we can do with the time machine and using it again would be retreading the exact same plotline that was finished in the main story, meanwhile there's still figuring out the lore behind all the other things in Area Zero like the plate and the "treasure" talked about in the lore, the scarlet book and the title of the dlc itself.
              From a narrative standpoint, the time machine is finished, everyone who wants to use it is either dead or out of the story, the paradox Pokemon were successfully contained and all the characters, including Arven, have moved on. DLC is gonna be all about whatever fricked up shit Terapagos did to the professor and what it and it's Tera Crystals are doing to Paldea.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The DLC is literally about terapagos and area zero
                Yeah but you have to remember that the story with the time machine only has one loose end left. There's nothing else to go over so they can just focus on Terapagos.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I wish for paradox pokemon!
        Sure, take all of them they're never ending
        >I wish for Raidon!
        Sure, but I can only do 2, tops
        >I wish for a clone of myself!
        Sure, here's a perfect clone
        >I wish for a beast hybrid like drawn in the book!
        well.....

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I wish for paradox pokemon!
          true
          >Sure, but I can only do 2, tops
          they wished for more paradoxes in general not just two raidons the professor even died too soon and the AI despise the idea of bringing more paradoxes
          >Sure, here's a perfect clone
          it's perfect not a moron like the original professor
          >I wish for a beast hybrid like drawn in the book!
          no one asked that in-game

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >no one asked that in-game
            oh, how convenient!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Welcome to the moronic mind of Imaginationgay.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                not quite as moronic as thinking that future pokemon are all robots the onion fairy is from the future and is not a robot
                >but those were different times
                times where they already had bill's time capsule and digital pokemon like porygon or machines to resurrect prehistoric pokemon and artificial pokemon like mewtwo if they wanted to make a robot they would have done it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                what schizo shit is this?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                truth, westoid pig.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >run-on schizo babble is the truth
                good one

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                they were thinking of making robots even since gen 1

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the onion fairy is from the future
                What the frick are you talking about?
                Who said celebi was from the future?
                Why do you imaginationgays constantly create nonsense headcanons?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i'm down with whatever winds up being true but whenever someone argues imagination it's never to answer questions left in the story, but to rewrite and argue other legendary pokemon's lore instead.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How many legends have they attempted to rewrite now anyway?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                All legendaries related to time/dimension travel and then acting like legendaries are unique and singular.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                celebi can literally travel through time, moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it can travel through time so it's from the future!
                schizo hopscotch

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You know what?
                I was just flicking through YouTube shorts and I came across this
                https://youtube.com/shorts/EqNeOYtxokQ?feature=share
                The guy thinks that Broly and Paragus are cannibals
                There's literally nothing in the movie to say that they ate his body but he's here pushing it as fact.

                This is the same level of moronic thought that you imaginationgays use.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't he prove you wrong though? You asks where it said Celebi is from the future and he showed you, how is it still a headcanon?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Didn't he prove you wrong though
                One
                >you
                Two. Frick no. It's a pokemon that freely travels through time, it can come from the future or the past, heck it could have been born last week.
                The fact is that because it's a time traveler literally no one can know.

                Not to mention even if it did come from the future there's no way to verify what time period or timeline it came from.
                The future isn't a place you know, it's everything that happens after the current moment in time.
                In other words even if he was right he'd still be wrong.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >In other words even if he was right he'd still be wrong.
                Time troony logic everyone.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >time troony mental gymnastics

                See what I mean? You can't even argue with what I said because it's true. You can't verify if celebi comes from the same era. That's why you have to cope and call it mental gymnastics.

                I mean, what you're doing is like saying "I live on earth" and then saying it's crazy that someone would ask for a country.

                But hey, that's what happens when you imagine your entire argument.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're only going to get a page 10 reply calling you a time troony you know.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but they're seething all the same.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There's no real merit to arguing with timegays though, they'll throw your argument out even when it gets proven correct right in front of them. I don't personally think Celebi being from the future debunks the android Pokemon thing, but your response of calling it headcanon, getting proven wrong, then saying it doesn't matter if he's right proves you have no actual intent of trying to have a debate and just wanna shit on the imaginationgay boogeyman that lives rent free in your head.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >There's no real merit to arguing with timegays though
                That would suggest you ever tried.
                >they'll throw your argument out even when it gets proven correct right in front of them.
                Here's the thing, people only throw out you argument because it's wrong which usually comes with an argument like so

                >Didn't he prove you wrong though
                One
                >you
                Two. Frick no. It's a pokemon that freely travels through time, it can come from the future or the past, heck it could have been born last week.
                The fact is that because it's a time traveler literally no one can know.

                Not to mention even if it did come from the future there's no way to verify what time period or timeline it came from.
                The future isn't a place you know, it's everything that happens after the current moment in time.
                In other words even if he was right he'd still be wrong.

                >your response
                Come on, you're trying that one again? Get some new material.
                >and just wanna shit on the imaginationgay boogeyman
                Is this what we're doing now? Imagine seeing people say that imagination theorists are common and nonexistent in the same thread. The things you'll do to be right.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >time troony mental gymnastics

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Who said celebi was from the future?
                the games

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Remember that morons that take pokedex entries as fact are mentally deficient. Marcargo's reads that it's twice as hot as the sun.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      a lot of things are hotter than the sun and if someone told me that an imaginary snail made of boiling magma was hotter than the sun it would be more believable

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a lot of things are hotter than the sun
        lmao schizo

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I mean he isn't wrong it's just that these things are usually only that hot for a fraction of a fraction of a second

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. That's the point. Just like saying future Paradox pokemon don't exist because Celebi's dex entry says "from the future". Surprisingly, this exact post is from the future in relation to their post!

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