ITT: Games you ACTUALLY need to be smart to play

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    null

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically want list of puzzle games to play to make my moronic self feel like I'm smart. Nothing with math pls.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you don't really do math in zachtronics games, you just write programs to do the math for you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Talos Principle 2 would be at the top of that list, the puzzles in that game are so easy that chimps and probably the smarter breeds of rodents could solve them and the story and npcs constantly jack the player off for solving them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        was Talos Principle 2 bad?
        I loved the first one and Gehenna

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's pretty bad. If you completed Gehenna without a walkthrough you'll feel insulted by the puzzles in 2, the game feels like a never ending tutorial. The story and how it's presented is way worse as well with a lot of very interruptive cutscenes and radio conversations that will just go on for way too long about way less interesting philosophy than the first game.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, I still have ingrained in my brain the
            >I look at this inert shape, and wonder...
            so sad to see 2 was bad. Will have to check it out later, just for morbid curiosity

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's great, my goty for last year and second favourite puzzle game but it is easy as shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Recursed
      Snakebird
      Babaisyou
      DROD
      beans and nothingness
      Sokobot
      Stephens sausage rolls
      Human resource machine

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why use pseudo instructions that are clearly based off of x86 instructions, instead of the real thing? Not only that, but also pseudo syntax that's based off of intel syntax instead of the actual intel syntax that is easier to read than the fake one they based off of it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the smaller instruction size is both easier to learn for people who aren't already familiar for assembly and also leads to more interesting puzzles

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zachtonic games
      Baba is You
      Paradox games <spoiler>because you need the salary of an overpaid burger SWE to afford the DLC and the autism to last more than 3 turns</spoiler>

      Presumably so that you didn’t just skip ahead and go look up shit in the Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer’s Manuals

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why do anything

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't played this game, but syntax will never be the limiting factor in you writing assembly. If the instructions are similar and the game teaches you how to think, you won't have a problem writing something in real Intel assembly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Real architectures are usually far more complex because the instructions have to account for a bunch of edge cases. In academia (and games) there usually are simpler models which, while not being used irl, can be easily applied to arm, risc-v, x86 etc.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spachchem

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really wish there were more games like Zachatronics but it seems they're the only company with these autistic puzzles. Everything else doesn't even come close to manual reading you have to in their games. Except for Keep talking and nobody explodes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/8UzDYIJ.jpeg

      I'll start

      At that point, why not just go to work?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Solving puzzles is more fun than work since with work you're just regergitating your same skillset to complete the same goal with no variation or uniqueness but with those games you're constantly using something new to achieve something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, that’s 5 hours of meetings and 3 hours writing emails/drafting proposals
        Zachtronics games are what programmers do after work to let off steam from work

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you don't find joy in problem solving then perhaps these games aren't for you

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's the same reason why I'll make some OC shitpost in MS Paint for 30 minutes to respond to some homosexual in a thread, but will procrastinate from preparing a powerpoint deck for an upcoming meeting during the work day. Both require effort and creativity, but one is more fun than the other

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The best non-Zachtronics programming game I've played is easily Infinite Turtles.

      If you're familiar with Prime Mover, it's kinda like that. But unlike Prime Mover, in Infinite Turtles you don't have to keep re-drawing the same circuits every time you need to perform a similar calculation because you can actually re-use your solutions to past levels as board components in later levels.

      You can also use the solution to a level within that very same level, leading to a lot of insane solutions involving recursion and shit. This game rewired my brain and made me think in ways I never had previously.

      The demo on Steam is 10+ hours long, so I highly recommend at least giving it a shot, especially if you're a fan of Zachtronics

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That developer's prior game Compressure has the entire game up as the "demo".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that desperate to get people to play their game huh?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zachtronichs games more often than not are more time consuming than hard. Baba is you on the other hand broke me completely I refuse to believe people 100% that game without googling

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I looked up one puzzle for that game, and it made me so heartbroken to know that I would never truly solve it on my own. The rest I figured out for myself, except for one at the end, which to even know it exists is insanity

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baba

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      isn't the whole gimmick with that game that everything can be affected by the rules, even the world map?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if i'm not a programming man, which programming "game" of Zachtronics should I play

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Infinifactory
      it's still a programming game technically (all of his games are), but all you do is place blocks. If you can play Minecraft you can play Infinifactory

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you can play Minecraft
        been here since before notch asked Ganker for minecraft advice and i've never had any desire to play actual minecraft

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you missed out, alpha minecraft was a blast

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Infinifactory, Opus Magnum, Last Call BBS and Space Chem are his most intuitive, visual programming games though Space Chem is maybe one of his hardest

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      human resource machine is a very simple introduction for his programming games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        link?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.gog.com/game/human_resource_machine

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.gog.com/game/human_resource_machine

        that's not zachtronics
        and also 7 billion humans is better

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not him but never played another game of their beside world of goo. I can't wait for world of goo 2.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FRICK man, this game shits on my moronic ass to no end.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Waiting for big sale to get every Zachatronics game. Sad to read they shut down.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sad to read they shut down
      whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
      why

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Zach wanted to move on to other things. He's a highschool programming teacher now iirc

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It gonna leave void in the puzzle game world. Not many good puzzle games with style. The steam store is littered with trash to the point it confuse me on what is worth the time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sadly, Last Call BBS will be a last call for Zachtronics. As Zach Barth told Press X to Learn earlier this year (thanks to RPS for the tip), he's working as a high school computer science teacher these days. Given how many people have picked up elements of programming from the games he's worked on that seems pretty apt, but obviously full-time teaching doesn't leave a lot of hours free for game development.

          Didn't we later learn he wasn't actually super happy teaching and was thinking of getting back into gamedev, but smaller?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How could anybody be happy teaching bratty high schoolers for shit pay. It baffles me that his game wouldn't earn him enough dosh to do it full time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he wasn't actually super happy teaching
            largely depends on where he was placed. if he's a new teacher (likely) then he was probably placed in an inner city shithole, trying to teach programming to literal niglets

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sadly, Last Call BBS will be a last call for Zachtronics. As Zach Barth told Press X to Learn earlier this year (thanks to RPS for the tip), he's working as a high school computer science teacher these days. Given how many people have picked up elements of programming from the games he's worked on that seems pretty apt, but obviously full-time teaching doesn't leave a lot of hours free for game development.

          >highschool
          why would you do this to yourself
          does he even need the work

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Notch sends goons to kick his dog and burn down his house every couple of months.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sadly, Last Call BBS will be a last call for Zachtronics. As Zach Barth told Press X to Learn earlier this year (thanks to RPS for the tip), he's working as a high school computer science teacher these days. Given how many people have picked up elements of programming from the games he's worked on that seems pretty apt, but obviously full-time teaching doesn't leave a lot of hours free for game development.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here is the article from pc gamer.

          https://www.pcgamer.com/zachtronics-is-making-its-final-game-last-call-bbs/

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do people even beat this in 20 30 hours? I don't have exact numbers but mine might have been double that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess I bullied myself unnecessarily then. These numbers look a lot more believable. I still have a lot to do in terms of optimization however.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The players who beat the game fast probably used guides. Why even bother playing if you're going to cheat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "achievements"

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Implying you need to be smart to know programming
    lol
    lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to be any good at anything lower than some interpretive language, yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only subjects you need to be really smart to excel at are physics and mathematics, anything else is midwit central (especially any engineering discipline).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've 100%'d every Zachtronics games but real programming feels like almost an almost insurmountable hurdle to me.
        I can't even write proper python code for the simplest shit.
        Last week I was writing a program to automate a math problem I do a lot and I kept thinking "this would be so much easier if I was writing it in Exapunks"
        In the end I gave up and asked ChatGPT to write it for me instead which it did instantly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the big difference between zachtronics and actual code is that actual code is designed to run faster than the consumer can even process and does a bunch of shit "out of order"

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is learn to code still big with the advent of AI and Indian migrants working for peanuts?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I learned JavaScript just to get better at bitburner. I actually spent $150 to audit 2 college courses. I don't see anyone ever playing it if they don't find computer code cool
    I have like 2000 hours in it.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >my game has documentation

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Animal Well
    Factorio
    Elden Ring
    Hollow Knight
    Valheim
    Baba is You
    Chants of Senaar

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Animal well
      dogshit community effort and arg stuff
      could've been a good game otherwise
      >Elden ring
      oh this is bait
      >Hollow Knight
      lmao this mindless easy bullshit requires you to be smart?
      >Valheim
      hahaha

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        either that isn't your screenshot, or you made poor life choices in choosing to 100% complete a game which you did not enjoy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Want to shit on a game
          >WAAAH YOU CAN'T SHIT ON SHALLOW KNIGHT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BEAT IT
          >Beat this shitty game
          >WAAAHH YOU CAN'T SHIT ON THIS SHALLOW GAME BECAUSE YOU BEAT IT
          What is it gonna be now homosexual?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what are half of these choices? I only even recognize animal well because people were comparing it to void stranger at one point. And what the hell does ER or HK belong there at all? Their difficulty is from fricking real time gameplay.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based contrarian always opposite sayer with real opinions and not just baiting (You)s

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Factorio makes me feel smart

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Factorio, but I liked shapez.io better because it had all the resource gathering shit factorio had, but also the gluing shit together to make products that zachtronics games have.
      Shapez 2 is coming out this year and it's near the top of my wishlist

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        interesting, i'll check it out

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked The Witness, noticing environment puzzles was a big surprise.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >get home after programming all day
    >play programming games
    What do you think I am, German?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shenzen's more about electronics tho... best solutions use less code.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spacechem chads report in.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Asking for a friend or something Anon?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    was anyone else disappointed by Chip Wizard?
    I thought it was gonna be a better version of Kohctpyktop, but I remember doing a lot more insane shit in that game than in Chip Wizard.
    I think the smaller board size really hampered it a lot. Because it's physically impossible to have more complicated puzzles when you can only place ~30 semiconductors in a level.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best feeling in the world is being absolutely stumped and bewildered by a puzzle, thinking there is no way to solve it yet knowing that there is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then the next day while taking a shit you have an epiphany and come back and solve it in 5 minutes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't even have an epiphany, I just come back to it the next day and solve it instantly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you may not have had one
          but your brain did

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I once spoke to a dude who kept his laptop on his nightstand in case the solution to a given problem came to him in a dream.
        Can't judge him, though, I've had a few late night Eurekas myself.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alchemia. There is a book and you can flip through it. Everything else you gotta figure out yourself.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mildly interested, will check out.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This one's a brain melter.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just started playing this. Snake + sokoban works really well.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This one is pretty unique and good. It mostly involves chests you go through that lead to other rooms, and you can carry the chests or other items through other chests.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i beat the challenge, 300 iq confirmed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a fun puzzle game, but its not that challenging.

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