ITT: WEIRD stat distributions. Every single one of the Hitmons has Sp. Def as their highest stat, why?

ITT: WEIRD stat distributions.

Every single one of the Hitmons has Sp. Def as their highest stat, why?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Every single one of the Hitmons has Sp. Def as their highest stat
    Hitmonlee's Atk is 120 compared to its 110 Sp. Def. And the reason is probably GF deciding to give lee and chan a massive buff in light of how shit they were in Gen 1, taking advantage of the Special split to do so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should have buffed chan's defense to be higher than it's attack so it actually makes sense as the def evo instead of being lower than top

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragonite's Special Defense being higher than its Defense yet its Attack is higher than its Special Attack.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, that's not terribly uncommon. Machamp also has slightly more Sp. Def than Def.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that defense on glaceon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wigglytuff having strictly worse stats, abilities, and later typing than its counterpart will always be tragic to me.

      SLOW TANKY ICE TYPE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i imagine wigglytuff was meant to be the easier to obtain but harder to use version of clefable, except they forgot to do that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iirc, the move Wish facotrizes the HP stat of the mon in order to recover half of it.
        That means Wigglytuff can use Wish, switch out, and provide better healing to its partner than Clefairy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but the increased healing is minor especially when Clefable is a better team support in pretty much every other aspect (such as not dying)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wish is a cool concept but in practice it’s difficult to use. Only good users are Chansey for how fat the wishes are/plus own healing, and alomomola for having regen/flip turn so it’s not eating momentum.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >SLOW TANKY ICE TYPE
        inb4 Yawngay sees the Special Attack stat and tries to correct you that "Glaceon actually an offensive Pokemon".

        Don't let him see the movepool, I want him to make himself out as a fool.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What does Yawn even stand for, I see it said all the time here

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            it's what people call one particularly prolific autist shitposter, he will come into any thread and argue it to death playing devil's advocate for the most consistently godawful opinions ever, seemingly for no reason other than to get really fricking mad and be smug about people not wanting to talk to him because to him, that means he won the argument. he particularly likes to pretend ice types are good and has the biggest autistic hateboner ever for samurott and unova (which he calls yawnova, hence the name), but he will legitimately hop in any thread to be wrong about literally anything. he's seriously of the worst posters i've ever seen on any board ever in the 12 years i've been here, i wish he'd namegay so i could just filter him rather than his dumbass catchphrases like "campaignshitter" and "concession accepted"

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              oh that's the fun part about schizos on /vp/
              you can't escape them without abandoning the board
              and the jannies won't do shit unless they're avatargayging with their favorite vore/guro shit

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The "Yawn" part of "Yawngay" came from him posting pictures of guys yawning almost a decade ago. He'd mostly post in threads about how sprites were so much better than the X/Y 3D models and would argue in bad faith. You can tell it's the same guy as back then because he still reposts some of the bait images he made all the way back in 2015.

              He's also the guy that vehemently defends always on EXP All, posts those images of him with 1 hilariously overleveled starter sweeping through older gen games, created those dogshit "the physical/special split was bad actually" threads, and consistently b***hes and moans about people playing Smogon formats. He also hates Octopath Travelers with a passion.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >it's not from the yawnova thing
                somehow this is even dumber than i expected, if he was around between XY and SM i guess i just missed him in my original stint on /vp/. i'm a little surprised he's not an XY kid though, thanks for the info

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He certainly is an X/Y defender. He was one of the lone defenders around 2015 when I first encountered him. He even defended there not being a Battle Frontier in OR/AS.

                I wouldn't put it past him to have started "Yawnova" either, but he's mostly dropped his *YAWN* schtick after a couple of years.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                something i noticed is that there's a wojak image that has been reposted 300+ times according to arch.b4k and a handful of those posts mention stantler
                https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/filename/1506903833593/
                https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/text/stantler/filename/1506903833593/
                if i am not mistaken, yawngay is the one who strawmans stantler when defending dexit so that could mean yawngay is the one who posted this wojak 300+ times, although some of the results could be different people who saved the image with its original file name

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >yawngay is the one who strawmans stantler when defending dexit
                Doesn't he also make a strawmen with Mightyena when arguing against the Physical/Special split saying how it "didn't save Mightyena"? What's next, arguing against Snow because it "didn't save Aurorus"?

                He's insufferable and its best to not fall for his bait, because any counterpoint you try to make against him will be picked apart with some "gotcha", with you being called a campaignshitter. He'll probably make some buck-ass comment on this post but he can get sounded with a rusty knife.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You can tell it's the same guy as back then because he still reposts some of the bait images he made all the way back in 2015
                which ones? i've probably seen them but i don't know image resolutions or filenames off the top of my head

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wigglytuff should have gotten huge power instead of azumarril

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eeveelutions are hamstrung by them all needing to have the same stats rearranged, but there only being like 2 or 3 permutations of that spread that are actually good. Some of them had to get the shit ones.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's only so many times the Eeveelution stats can be rearranged until it begins to be repeated, which is why there hasn't been any new Eeveelutions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Eeveelutions are hamstrung by them all needing to have the same stats rearranged, but there only being like 2 or 3 permutations of that spread that are actually good. Some of them had to get the shit ones.

          Unless I'm dumb as hell (possible) there are 720 permutations of the 6 stats that all Eeveelutions share. So we got a long way to go before they start getting repeated.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's actually 180 different permutations since 65 repeats twice.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's only so many times the Eeveelution stats can be rearranged until it begins to be repeated, which is why there hasn't been any new Eeveelutions.

        >evolution pokemon
        >"line" gimmick is that it evolves into a lot of different things based on its environment, what it's exposed to, and more
        >somehow these all have the exact same stat numbers, just in different stats (130,110,95,65,65,60)
        come on
        you'd think that a pokemon with evolving ito different things as its gimmick would have more variety in what stats its evolutions has
        the only ones with decent stat spreads are espeon (highest stats are special attack, speed, and special defense), jolteon (highest stats are speed, special attack, and special defense), sylveon (highest stats are special defense, special attack, and hp), umbreon (highest stats are special defense, defense, and hp), and vaporeon (highest stats are hp, special attack, and special defense)
        seems like all the good ones either combine an attacking stat and speed, or a defensive stat and hp
        it'd be nice to see a physical attacking eeveelution with good speed

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >physical attacking eevee with good speed
          Regardless of good/bad I just want a 95/130/65/60/65/110 Draconeon to complete the "original special types" set.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's cause they just copied Vaporeon for the worst eeveelution's stat spread.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >"it looks like an icy mountain from the side :)"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Swap its HP for its Defense and its Special Defense for its Speed and it's suddenly pretty good (by Gen 4 standards, at least). That speed is really what's killing it. Slow Ice types are dogshit unless they have min/maxed legendary stats.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Slow Ice types are dogshit unless they have min/maxed legendary stats.
        Or just really good traits in general that culminate into a strong package like Mamoswine or arguably Cloyster though the later gets carried hard by shell smash in later gens

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          i wouldn't call those two slow, they've got middling speed

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t get why Leafeon is the one with high defense. Most of the other Eeveelutions’ best stats make more sense, like Jolteon having higher speed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because at the time, no Eeveelution had defense as its highest stat. Vaporeon has HP, Flareon has Attack, Jolteon has Speed, Espeon has Special Attack and Umbreon has Special Defense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      of all the eeveelution types available i think defense makes sense for grass. grass is more a defensive typing anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Because at the time, no Eeveelution had defense as its highest stat. Vaporeon has HP, Flareon has Attack, Jolteon has Speed, Espeon has Special Attack and Umbreon has Special Defense.

      and also they tailored it to be a physical oriented mon compared to majority of the Eeveelutions.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Leafon would be incredible with just a bit more HP. It could fight in sun and use Synthesis for recovery with good defense and HP, and use the sun to run Solar Blade with that huge attack stat. But as it is 65 HP just isn't enough to tank a hit.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no idea who this is but i'm guessing some shitty bird

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lopunny

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It is good,it just doesn't make sense.And the design of the mon sucks.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >20

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      least minmaxed modern pokemon stat distribution

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stonjourner?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      May as well be weak to every special move out there.

      >30 in sandstorm
      Unsalvageable

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That's not how stats work. It actually has a SpD stat of 76 when at level 100 with perfect IVs and no investment. In Sandstorm, it has 114 SpD, which is equivalent to 39 base SpD. With 252 SpD EVs, it has 139 SpD at level 100 which lets it clock in 209 SpD in Sandstorm. That's about the same as a Pokemon with 86 SpD and no investment.

        That, by the way, would make it specially tankier than Okidogi, Tropius, and Pecharunt.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i have no idea why they made every stat on it identical. there's being an all-rounder, but i don't know why glalie would have every stat the exact same

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This just reeks of "we need dex filler and don't want to put effort into figuring out how to make this pokemon stand out", likely due to the fact that there were very few ice types in Hoenn and the series period, so just being an ice type was enough to make Glalie unique.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This just reeks of "we need dex filler and don't want to put effort into figuring out how to make this pokemon stand out", likely due to the fact that there were very few ice types in Hoenn and the series period, so just being an ice type was enough to make Glalie unique.

      This is one of the few cases where I genuinely think the joke is that "it's round"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >spinda, castform, and glalie all have identical stats
        >they're all round
        woah...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's weirder is that they did it twice in the same gen (spinda)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thrice, Castform also has 70s everywhere

        People talk about gen 2 shitmons a lot but people really understate the amount of total garbage gen 3 has. Doesn't help that the doubles gimmick meant a lot of them came in pairs too.

        Most of gen 3 mons were "good enough" or great, so the bad ones are easily forgotten.
        Also, there's nothing as terrible as Unown or Dunsparce in Hoenn for example.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Dunsparce is acutely extremely good both stat and movepool wise for how early you get it espailly because normal stab is amazing for Gen2 due to early headbutt and badge boost by gym three. Dunspace’s only issue is rarity

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I will never get people calling Gen 2 mons shitmons when they came from a time before GF was designing minmaxed shillmons for PvP. The majority of the Gen 2 dex is good or even great in game and the ones that aren't are either gimmick Pokemon like Smeargle or Unown or are just weird like Shuckle. The amount of people going "hurdrrr unown is SOOOOO bad why did they do this" as if Unown was designed to be a competitive Pokemon and not a fun additional collectathon sidequest mon with fun lore sprinkled in drives me nuts.
            And that's ignoring the huge amount of Gen 2 Pokemon that became PvP staples like Scizor, Azumarill, Blissey, Skarmory, TTar and formerly Forretress before Ferrothorn pushed it off a cliff.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >when they came from a time before GF was designing minmaxed shillmons for PvP.
              homie they were doing that in Gen 1.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair Alakazam is an incredibly linear Pokemon in Gen 1. It only gets one good attacking move and as such it gets walled pretty hard by other psychic types.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        spinda's joke is that its stats add up to 360

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          And Spidops' joke is that it adds to 404.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Thrice, Castform also has 70s everywhere

        [...]
        Most of gen 3 mons were "good enough" or great, so the bad ones are easily forgotten.
        Also, there's nothing as terrible as Unown or Dunsparce in Hoenn for example.

        4 times.

        1. Jirachi: 100 in every stat
        2. Glalie: 80 in every stat
        3. Castform: 70 in every stat
        4. Spinda: 60 in every stat

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are exactly 4 categories of defensive stat spreads
    -high hp but really low defenses
    -a high defensive stat but low hp and the other defensive stat is low
    -really low hp but both defenses are high
    -actually decent defensive spreads

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      which mon is this?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      which mon is this?

      >170 hp
      must be cetitan. isn't it a slush rush sweeper though? it's not what i'd call a defensive mon.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      170/65/55 is actually really good defensively.

      >Cetitan
      252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cetitan on a critical hit: 432-508 (89.6 - 105.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

      >Toxapex
      252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Toxapex on a critical hit: 211-249 (87.1 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

      Yes, Cetitan is actually just about as bulky as Toxapex. It just doesn't seem like that because a) people don't invest in defense on Cetitan, b) Toxapex has a ton of resistances and Regenerator to keep its HP up, and c) Ice is the worst typing in the game

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        oh yeah you're right
        when making that i forgot that HP contributes more to bulkiness on a per-base stat point basis than defense/special defense

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        that's uninvested bulk which is very misleading.
        pex gets a fricking massive boost from investing in HP so its off-defense is still good, while cetitan with its high HP and shit defenses can't achieve being bulky on both sides without investing in both defenses which results in less HP and thus less bulk overall.
        high defenses + low HP is always, ALWAYS better than the opposite.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's better for defensive Pokemon, but for Pokemon with recoil moves, high HP and low defenses are better.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          EVs let you toss up to 63 points into a given stat, but ultimately points are points, and Toxapex spends a lot more BST (344) to get comparable bulk to a mon that spends a lot less (290) even with EV training because HP affects both physical and special bulk.
          Obviously Toxapex is better at not dying due to a lot of other factors besides raw defenses.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Pex is bulkier than cetitan when you ev them both.

            you would have to use something like guzzlord (329) to be significantly bulkier than pex (344) when ev'd.

            Return vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex: 109-130 (35.8 - 42.7%)
            Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 78-93 (25.6 - 30.5%)

            Return vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Guzzlord: 181-214 (30.7 - 36.3%)
            Hyper Voice vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Guzzlord: 145-172 (24.6 - 29.2%)

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *coughs*

  10. 2 weeks ago
    banananonymous

    because they are main enemies the psychic pokemons of saffron city, one must be strong against their enemy also meditation and stuff

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meant to be a duo
    >mediocre stats
    >no interesting ability
    >movepools are nothing special
    >except for one getting the unique move that is Tail Glow
    >it's the physical attacker that gets it
    pain

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>no interesting ability
      they got the best ability in the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What, Prankster? It's not interesting on these two.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Prankster isn't even close to being the best in real Pokemon (singles). Neither is Intimidate. Even in Doubles, Wonder Guard is still better.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          the best ability in the game is actually neutralizing gas. why? because it shuts down every other ability.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Saying Wonder Guard is the best ability is pretty disingenuous because that ignores its god awful distribution.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Distribution does not equal strength. No one can deny how overpowered Drizzle is despite being confined to just 3 Pokemon. It's enough to take Pelipper from never being used ever in Gens 3 - 6 to being OU in Gens 7+ and having near 50% usage rate in the most recent VGC tournament in Sweden.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Distribution does not equal strength.
              Yes and no. Most abilities only affect the Pokemon they're attached to, so distribution is absolutely a factor in discussing how good said abilities are. Stakeout for example is potentially a very powerful ability but its held back by being limited to mostly shitmons. Drizzle is a bit different because it's a team support ability. The usability of the mon it's attached to, although somewhat a factor, does not change how helpful free rain is for other members of your team.
              And that being said Drizzle absolutely has great synergy with Pelipper. In fact I'd say Pelipper has stronger synergy with the ability than most shit water mons you could have slapped it on.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not in gen 3

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People talk about gen 2 shitmons a lot but people really understate the amount of total garbage gen 3 has. Doesn't help that the doubles gimmick meant a lot of them came in pairs too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thing is, the other pairs are not nearly as bad as these two.
        Plusle and Minun are really not that bad and the other duos are Pokémon that can handle themselves quite well alone. It sucks because I actually like Volbeat and Illumise.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's because Hoenn was the first "reboot" region, so Game Freak/TPC gives Gen 3 Pokemon far more shilling and respect, so people don't notices Gen 3 pokemon being shitmons while GEn 2 Pokemon are stuck being Kantos leftovers.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Gens 2 and 3 have a lot of bad Pokemon because power creep didn't set in yet.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >gengar was way stronger than every other ghost-type in the first 3 gens

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What, all 4 of them?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Every single one of the Hitmons has Sp. Def as their highest stat, why?
    They're highly resistant to mental assassination

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Underrated post

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i dont really get it
        i guess psychic is mental assassination but does the joke go deeper than that

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It’s a reference to a legendary thread about which Pokémon is the most similar to Obama. It’s a long story.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          No need to thank me. Enjoy.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Every single one of the Hitmons has Sp. Def as their highest stat, why?
        They're highly resistant to mental assassination

        LOL, didn't even see it before

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      that post only specified accidental mental assassination
      intentional mental assassination is still doable

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't get it. What about it screams "big, fricking bulky wall of a 'mon"?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The pecha shell, anon.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ice/rock
    >no power gem, only ancient power for Special attack rock moves, the rest being Phys
    >forced subpar mix attacking stats on an already slow mon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >only ancient power for Special attack rock moves
      Aurorus has Meteor Beam as of gen 8.

      But regardless Game Freak can fricking suck it for how they treated Aurorus.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They couldn't even give it 100 HP.

      SAUROPODS FRICKING DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS SHIT FRICK YOU GAME FREAK

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        for the last time man they aren't making them bad because they're sauropods

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Either way the state Meganium is in is unacceptable for a starter Pokemon.

          Is it because of the "quadrupedal Pokemon has to be shit" meme?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >"quadrupedal Pokemon has to be shit" meme
            uh what
            vgc has an assload of quadrupeds

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Quadrupedal pokemon have a tendency to have very generic movesets of STAB + some combination of Earthquake, Rock Slide and Crunch, since they don't have hands to perform most of the common coverage moves. It's gotten a lot better in recent gens as more moves have been added but it was especially a problem in the first 3 gens and Meganium has never really had its moveset updated to the newer standard.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Meganium has never really had its moveset updated to the newer standard.
                Game Freak is too much of a b***h, that's why.
                They also even have the audacity to gatekeep shit from Meganium that are perfect for Pokemon with support roles. Also the removal of Aromatherapy was fricking bullshit.

                Game Freak is fricking over Meganium on purpose at this rate.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                that's due to their anti Johto basis. Game Freak has always hated the Johto starter and their fans. They hate Feraligatr slightly less due to their favoritism towards water types and not worshipping Blastiose as much as CHARIZARD or Venusaur (meaning they don't need to completely gimp Gatr to make Blastiose look better like they did with Typhlosion and Meganium to make CHARIZARD and Venusaur look better.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Now make this post again but without the schizophrenia.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Now make an actual argument

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Meganium isn't horrible, its problem is that it's just a generic bulky Grass type and there have since been over a dozen other Pokemon in that exact niche with better moves/abilities/secondary typings.

            >1 base HP
            go tyranitar

            >safety goggles

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Meganium isn't horrible
              Leaf Guard sucks either way.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Meganium isn't horrible
              Outside of Gen 2 where it's just ok? No, it's always been a pretty miserable Grass type. The issue being that it's a support mon that doesn't really get good support moves. Grass is heavily defined by its access to leech seed and powder moves, and Meganium only got the former very recently (and at the cost of its best cleric move) and it has never had access to the later. Meganium is just a somewhat bulky grass type that doesn't do anything, and with Torterra getting Shell Smash it's probably now the weakest starter.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The issue being that it's a support mon that doesn't really get good support moves.
                Only Game Freak would make a Pokemon be oriented for support and proceed to gatekeep it from having moves suited for its role.

                Is there a reason why Game Freak won't do shit for Meganium? What does Game Freak/TPC have against dinosaurs?

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because in RBY they only had the tiny Special stat which made them worthless. They pumped any additional stats they received in GS into the special defense. Their HP is still so bad that it doesn't even make much difference.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's pokemon like Serperior, Lugia and Scream Tail, who have middling to shit atk/sp.atk but fantastic defenses and speed. Fast bulky mixed defender

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Give this thing an evo please

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i'm not proud that i recognized heatmor instantly. he really deserves better

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >homosexual posted . and deleted her post again
    either leave the post or don't bump the thread, don't be a pussy ass b***h

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ENTER

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ONE SHOT JOHNNY

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This, but also with Huge Power

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        take a look
        https://pokemonwack.fandom.com/wiki/Noofr

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Broken in trick room.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >1 base HP
        go tyranitar

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, a Pokemon with base 1 HP would, at Level 100. have a maximum hp of:
          >~~*2 * 1 + 31) * 100 ) / 100 ) + 100 + 10
          Or 143.
          Shedinja is actually specifically programmed to only ever have 1 hp max, regardless of actual hp calculations. Its base 1 hp could just as easily be base 255, it doesn't matter because the game bypasses the typical calculation anyway and the value is hard coded in.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They couldn't even give it 100 HP.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      SLOW WEAK MIXED DEFENDER

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      if they won't give this guy an evo at least let it have a mega, 100 points would go a long way on tropius

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >SLOW
    >FRAIL
    >...single attacker?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      95/80/80 is honestly pretty decent as far as bulk goes. It's not great but I wouldn't call that frail.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      95/80/80 is actually good. Lucario is 70/70/70, for reference.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wtf is this

      Wtf is this

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        is Gen 1 Exeggutor. In case anyone was wondering why Game Freak was shilling Eggy as one of the strongest Pokemon in Gen 1, it's because it was.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        first one is beartic

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Give Meganium a Sun version of Aurora Veil and it'll maybe be RU.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >implying that game freak isn't too much of a b***h to buff meganium
      inb4 a Grass type Aurora Veil does happen but Meganium """conveniently""" doesn't get it, because we all know that this is exactly what will happen knowing these gays.

      >Verification not required.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      never gonna happen because sun is good enough as it is. if anything, sand would get a move like that because it's now easily the worst weather.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Giving Sun Veil to every Grass or Fire type like how nearly every Ice type learns Aurora Veil would be stupid, giving it to one or two shitmons like Meganium and Cherrim is fine.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It would be NU even if Light Clay were allowed on it. Why? It can't set its own Sun and it does nothing else otherwise. A-Ninetales hits hard and is fast + has an immunity.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >-Ninetales hits hard
        82 Special Attack wouldn't exactly be hard hitting.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Blizzard is scary.

          >252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 144-169 (36.5 - 42.8%) -- 97.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I never claimed that Meganium would be better than Alolatails, an actual OU Pokemon. Only that it might at least be RU.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That's still doubtful since it can't set its own weather and isn't impactful outside of setting dual screens. It being weak to its own preferred weather is also a huge downside since even non-STAB Fire type attacks coming off of middling offensive stats threaten to OHKO/2HKO it in the Sun.
          >252+ Atk Electivire Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Meganium in Sun: 204-242 (56 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

          Keep in mind that NU in Gen 9 looks like pic related. Meganium hanging with the likes of Mew, Magnezone, Raikou, Swampert, Venusaur, and Infernape would be huge.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sun doesn't need the buff.
      Give Meganium Sleep Powder and Roar. Bam, it has a unique niche that makes it a worthwhile consideration on teams that rely on entry hazards. Hell, it even gets Knock Off as is so it can deal with HDB users.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Sleep moves are banned sir.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Haha holy fricking shit Smogon is a complete joke.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, people said they didn't like that sleep clause couldn't be implemented on cart so the Gen 9 council just decided to ban sleep entirely.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            it really, really is.
            >refuse to ban valiant because it's some council troony's petmon
            >bring darkrai back for some godforsaken reason
            >DURR SLEEP IS TOO STRONG GOTTA BAN IT ENTIRELY EVEN THOUGH 99% OF THE USERS ARE LITERALLY UNVIABLE IN OU
            it's moronic.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Valiant contributed to the ban

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          For now. They may or may not be banned in Gen 10 depending on how the meta develops. Gen 9 is just so hyper offensive (fastest meta in the history of Pokemon by average # of turns) that sleep is exceptionally impactful. If Gen 10 is a slower paced meta, sleep will be fine.

          Hell, if Game Freak implemented the Sleep/Drowsy system from PLA, Sleep would probably be fine in Gen 9.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Venusaur already has Sleep Power + Roar and has never ever used them. It's not a good or useful niche.

        For now. They may or may not be banned in Gen 10 depending on how the meta develops. Gen 9 is just so hyper offensive (fastest meta in the history of Pokemon by average # of turns) that sleep is exceptionally impactful. If Gen 10 is a slower paced meta, sleep will be fine.

        Hell, if Game Freak implemented the Sleep/Drowsy system from PLA, Sleep would probably be fine in Gen 9.

        it really, really is.
        >refuse to ban valiant because it's some council troony's petmon
        >bring darkrai back for some godforsaken reason
        >DURR SLEEP IS TOO STRONG GOTTA BAN IT ENTIRELY EVEN THOUGH 99% OF THE USERS ARE LITERALLY UNVIABLE IN OU
        it's moronic.

        Sleep wasn't banned for being OP, it was banned because autistic people couldn't cope with sleep clause not being cart-accurate.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Hell, it even gets Knock Off as is so it can deal with HDB users.
        inb4 Meganium loses it in gen 10 along with Body Press because Game Freak realized they gave Meganium something remotely decent for once. I fricking dare them to do this.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >bad bulk
    >horrible defensive typing
    >dismal speed
    >no priority moves to take advantage of that dummy attack stat
    What were they THINKING?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      SMOLL INDIE COMPANU PREASE UNDERSTANDU

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't banning sleep effectively ban Dire Claw too? Shouldn't Sneasler be unbanned then?

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