JRPGs are like a living fossil. They still have that same old turn-based menu combat since the 80s.

JRPGs are like a living fossil. They still have that same old turn-based menu combat since the 80s.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tabletop RPGs are like a living fossil.
    They still have the same old turn-based sheet combat since the 70s.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Difference is that imagination is the best you can do sat at a table with friends. Video games have no excuse.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >finding something fun is only okay when it's in line with modern trends
        have a nice day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They actually don't, though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tabletop RPGs have actually de-evolved and now play more like videogames than they do the RPGs of the 70's.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Depending on the system, there are dozens of trpg systems that basically go from extreme autism math in the advanced d20s to the more easy-to-use fate systems to mimic action-based cinematic gameplay.

        And Homebrews are basically modded tabletop systems. No table top company is going to throw a god damn fit if you make your own homebrew to play with your group.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it’s your fault for playing fucking Dragon Quest

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    JRPGs always show me what a huge graphics whore I am. I love newer DQ games, but can't get into the older ones, despite them having the same gameplay.
    There's just somethings that makes killing cute 3D slimes more fun than sprite-based ones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You sure it's not the shitty UI?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not like the UI really changes that much in DQ games.
        They sometimes modernize it for Wester versions of the games, but I usually play them in Japanese first.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need to learn to enjoy pixel graphics anon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The newer ones have made me realize how much of a graphicswore I am. The mirrors not working and the horse being poorly animated when traversing land made me realize the games are ugly AND have no gameplay worth a damn.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but with roguelikes. I can play weeb one way heroics but I wouldn't touch the old one even though it is said it's 10 times more technical

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's an updated one?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mystery Chronicle: One Way Heroics. Generally not as liked as OWH Plus

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >anon filters himself out of one of the best and most soulfoul genres of gaming

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        MCOWH is dramatically worse than the original in gameplay. It's not the same thing, it's worse.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like the pixel graphics and UI but hate the overall worldmap. I prefer travelling small routes like in Pokemon than a worldmap full of random encounters where I don't even know where to go.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You should play the DS DQs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I love Dragon Quest IX

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you liked that you might like the 3DS VII one.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zoomer

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So? don't play them

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I see no problem with turn based combat so long as the systems around it are fun/interesting. Party, Skills, Equipment, Jobs, etc are what make these kinds of games fun.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    zoomers be like

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    And yet they're still as kino as ever.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when they thought turn based combat was bad in 2003 and they made whatever the fuck this was?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      X-2's combat is fine, it's the everything else that's the problem.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The job system is great, though, what are you on about?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love that Square still keeps iterating on FF with different battle systems. The classic FF turn-based system is the driest, dullest, most boring shit ever invented and I'm so glad we moved past it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Do an attack
      >Literally over a min later it finishes animating
      >Finally someone else can act
      >Picks who can (all atb gauges were maxed before I even did the first attack) entirely at random, making combos impossible
      >End up just mashing attack through the game with the mug dreessphere because of how non-fcuntional the game is with any attack that isn't instant
      The combat fucking sucked.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    And that's a tood thing

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Which is why they're so boring

    I can't get into any DQ game because of that

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how long have people been playing games where you click on heads?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest gets it right though. I never felt it was just "mash attack" like a Final Fantasy game. In Dragon Quest, you get a distinct feel for how much damage an enemy needs before dying, and you can plan things like Boomerangs and spells accordingly.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't have it any other way, to be honest.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They still have that same old turn-based menu combat since the 80s.
    They don't. Almost all of JRPGs today are action-based and they all fucking suck.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck you op you tasteless bitch. Changing the topic, what are some jrpgs to emulate on my phone with a clip+xbone controller? I can probably do anything easier than ps2 graphics. I've been thinking ff7 because I somehow didnt play it. Lets get comfy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Try out Lunar: SSS Complete and the sequel Eternal Blue

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lufia 2 is my favorite game of all time, play it

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another day another thread of westoids seething about JRPGs.
    You really have nothing better to do, do you?

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    modern action RPGs sometimes have dogshit gameplay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sometimes
      this shit isn't an exception, it's the rule
      the only difference is you have to mash attack, not hold it
      that magnetic snap on attacks to dash to enemies ruined gaming

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the only difference is you have to mash attack, not hold it

        not in XV, you can Hold O in that casual pandering garbage

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ff15 had a lot of issues, including in combat mechanics, but that isnt as bad as this meme protrays it

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am in the middle of my first playthrough of DQ11, my first DQ game I've ever touched. I went into it thinking it would be mediocre given that it's a modern title. But instead, I got kino. Also, Sylvando is fucking great.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      exactly the same experience. I know it gets hated, but it is what introduced me to jrpgs tbh.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sylvando is the hero and everyone is just his clique.
      If you think he's cool now just wait until the endgame.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      YOU RANG HONEY?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >* giant muscle bound man in pink mask saunters over*
        >oi what you loikin' at m8?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Q772IGJ.jpg

      JRPGs are like a living fossil. They still have that same old turn-based menu combat since the 80s.

      I don't know what it is about DQ but I think the games are very boring.
      I don't even dislike JRPGs

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turn-based combat is such a timeless form of gameplay that it even precedes videogames. They just adopted the mechanics of D&D for the digital age and the tried-and-true formula has carried multiple subgenres to success throughout the decades. Can't fix what ain't broken.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nooo you can't like what I don't like.
    Fuck you, nautiluses and horseshoe crabs have a good design and are still kicking.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does XI get shat on these days? I can believe some fans liking but not loving it, and even some finding it subpar to other entries but the hate seems weird for what is at worst an inoffensive if safe game in the series

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they are just triggered by Sylvando

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are people shitting on XI? Aside from the normal Ganker contrarian hipster shit, I mean.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All DQ games are good, you could argue some are better than others but the overall quality doesn't go below a 9/10 in my shitty opinion, those who bitch about DQXI are first comers to the franchise.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even DQ2?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You aren't me but I still agree, DQII on the famicom made me think each battle beforehand, even item management must be in consideration if you want to beat the game.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHEN YOU WALK AWAY
    YOU DON'T HEAR ME SAY
    PLEEEEEEEASE, OH BABY DON'T GO

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    IX was the best

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >UM SWEATY YOU HAVEN'T REPLACED THE MECHANICS WITH TRIGGER WARNINGS YET OKAY YOU'RE CANCELLED

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >There is still no Dragon Quest mobile game made by Niantic where you can walk around to level up your account and occasionally run into monsters to battle them with key locations around you as hotels, NPCs, and events where you work with other players to defeat a big monster in the area
    It would poop on Pokemon Go all day everyday

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There literally is, just not by Niantic and Japan only.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally one of the most mobile games played in Japan, called DQwalk.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Video games are a fossil yet you still pretend to play them.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They tried to fix turn based combat with ffxii and you all whined and bitched and now we have shitty action games with retarded ai that you can't fix.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one bought 12. Releasing it when new consoles are out is a fucking retarded practice. Don't blame others for SEs failure

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing FF12 added was autoattacks
      The character building in the re-releases is pretty good but the game isn't ever hard enough to warrant it outside of really out of the way optional fights.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the only thing ff12 added was automating the boring parts
        Yeah, that's the point. And everyone bitched and so now they automate everything.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          the point is squareshit games are never complex enough to do anything BUT normal attack spam and kill everything
          not even DQ itself is the exception because you can easily outlevel shit, though DQ is their only good series of games

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If they keep adding Draconian Mode to future DQs then it'll be in a good spot. Really nailed the difficulty besides a couple bosses that got an extra turn added to their pattern way earlier than they should've.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is hard to enjoy jrpgs after playing pokemon to be honest, playing against braindead AI with 1 billion hp will never be as complex as playing against people

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just stick to your shitty action games. In fact, FF is turning into exactly what you want so why even bother DQ with your shit taste?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just the way I like it.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    cool, so do side-scrollers,fifa games, racing games, city builders, shooters, and crpgs

    don't fix what isn't broken and still prints money.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    TALES OF ARE THE BEST JRPG SERIES EVER

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the jrpg that prides itself on its classic gameplay still plays the same

    holy shit OP, why arent you discovering the mysteries of the world?

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have never played a Final Fantasy game.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, that's why people like Dragon Quest. It stays true to why fans enjoy it. Maybe other franchises could learn something from that.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like complaining that chess is still around.
    >Chess is a living fossil. It still has the same old turn-based combat since A.D. 760.
    That's how stupid you sound.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why zoomers think action RPGs are automatically better or can't become just as stale as turn-based ones? I played the demo for Valkyrie Elysium over the weekend and it was the most dull run of the mill action RPG that I've already played a dozen times over the last decade. Nothing special or fun about it to make it stand out from the rest. All I could think while playing it was "wow, I wish this had the original VP combat system." Because despite being turn-based, it was actually unique and stood out from other turn based games and it was more fun despite just being "hurr menus, excel spreadsheets" like zoomers think these games are.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why zoomers think action RPGs are automatically better or can't become just as stale as turn-based ones?

      Absolutely abysmal attention span

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ADHD and falling for the cinematic action meme.
      Flashy lights and pressing buttons = good gaem.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason action games are generally more popular across every generation. The average person needs flashy action to hold their attention. This is nothing new.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They don't care about actual gameplay. They like a game to look fancy because it makes them feel skillful.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >JRPG's are so good that they haven't had to innovate or change since the 80s
    Meanwhile every other genre of game strives to get as good as the average jrpg.
    Thanks for putting it in perspective fren

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rpgs still can be cool when it works like somethings as SMT4A system, for example. I'm OK with major series going for an action approach since traditional turn based trope was also convenient for system limitations, you can protray all that stuff in real time with modern technology. So yeah, it shouldnt dissappear cause it can be enjoyable and there's a market for it, but I want to see more action games as well

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >SMT4A system
      lol
      lmao even

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post your examples of turn based jrpgs with better combat then

        >you can protray all that stuff in real time with modern technology
        Surprisingly you can't.
        For some reason action games can't really portray the full might of *teleports behind you* and countermeasure stacking autism that high level combat on otaku stories provide.
        It's hard but doable on turn based, but pretty much fucking impossible in action games.
        Hell, even just adding a grid and movement is enough to make it shit.

        Action games have fast and flashy combat, if you are talking about something like characters and/or scenario interactions throught a fight then I guess it's easier to do it with paused sequences, but you can still add cutscenes between combat phases and whatnot.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Post your examples of turn based jrpgs with better combat then
          Not that anon nor do I have an encyclopedia on turn based games, haven't played SMT4A yet, but I've always found the combat in FFX to be fantastic. For me the simple addition of seeing attack order change in real time even before you select an attack adds a lot more strategy instead of having turn order be this invisible wildcard stat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not particularly a fan of FFX but it's a good system, I agree

            >Action games have flashy combat
            That's fair.
            >Action games have fast combat
            Haahahahahahahaha, no, they don't.
            If you weren't an ignorant westoid you would know overall specs scale way higher than what action games can do.
            It's not rare for speed-focused characters to perceive the world with accelerated thoughts to the point enemies look like they are standing still, while having the speed to match.
            Then there's the casters, who can simultaneously pre-cast a dozen different spells and fire them as needed.
            This can be easily done in turn based with a CTB system where faster characters get more turns and actions.
            This is impossible in action based because everything has to be scaled down to the perception of a normaloid humie player and action games are for babies, so they can't be too hard when it comes to reflexes.
            If you think vergil is fast, think again, he's slow as shit.

            A different way of representation

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Action games have flashy combat
          That's fair.
          >Action games have fast combat
          Haahahahahahahaha, no, they don't.
          If you weren't an ignorant westoid you would know overall specs scale way higher than what action games can do.
          It's not rare for speed-focused characters to perceive the world with accelerated thoughts to the point enemies look like they are standing still, while having the speed to match.
          Then there's the casters, who can simultaneously pre-cast a dozen different spells and fire them as needed.
          This can be easily done in turn based with a CTB system where faster characters get more turns and actions.
          This is impossible in action based because everything has to be scaled down to the perception of a normaloid humie player and action games are for babies, so they can't be too hard when it comes to reflexes.
          If you think vergil is fast, think again, he's slow as shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can protray all that stuff in real time with modern technology
      Surprisingly you can't.
      For some reason action games can't really portray the full might of *teleports behind you* and countermeasure stacking autism that high level combat on otaku stories provide.
      It's hard but doable on turn based, but pretty much fucking impossible in action games.
      Hell, even just adding a grid and movement is enough to make it shit.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turn-based party-based JRPGs remain the GOAT.
    Fuck any and all attempts to move away from it.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish japs would try making a CRPG like Baldurs Gate, curious how they would handle such a thing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm curious too, but Japan doesn't really feel some special draw towards freedom in story so it's unlikely you'd ever see it.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How would you innovate it exactly

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    JRPG is like, illusion of choice since Wizadry.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really give a fuck about choice in story so long as I have some choice in gameplay. Enough room to fuck up or do particularly well is all I ask.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it ain't broke don't fix it.
    Plus it's not like DQ and similar are the ONLY JRPGs out there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Guess again moron. DQ + Farm Simulator down your throat

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