Just finished his quest and exhausted his dialogue options.
Holy shit, why couldn't BG3's ($250mil budget game) companions had the same amount of quality and care put into their characterisation? They feel flat and incomplete compared to Durance and not just him; the sheer amount of stuff you can talk about with your party members in Pillars is just crazy. Not all of them voiced, sure, but $250mil budget game companions have 1/10 of dialogue. Fucking Larian cunts with their useless romances.
>you can type more on a lower budget then you can pay for a VA to do and animate it all
No shit
$250 million
Also, Dragon Age Origins did it as well, if not better than Pillars. If BG3 couldn't do with their insane budget, maybe they shouldn't have bothered with 3d and aminations?
Also, remove 1line voiced and animated responses from standby NPCs which literally serve 0 purposes and reallocate these resources into companion characterisation and responses.
noone forced them to include these things as far as I am aware of.
Same with only 4 faces per race that are often copypastes themselves AND used in the game for NPC's. THank god they paid someone to model genitals, because that's what's really important.
Another reason 2D portraits shit on 3D crap.
I'm not so sure that is the case - at least when it comes to modeling (not including animations, esp when so far zoomed in) vs portraits. I love portraits, but from what I know, they are more expensive than you might think - one of the reasons Tyranny had those ugly models. I have no exact numbers sadly, if anyone does please share.
Not to dickride or anything but Chris Avellone's writing is pretty consistently excellent, at least as far as I've seen. Sure Pillars is extremely exposition heavy at times which feels compounded by the fact that it's a new IP. But most of the dialogue/narrative writing and characters are top tier.
There is actually a fairly decent amount of voiced dialogue in Pillars, maybe fully voiced dialogue should be pushed for in AAA CRPGs but it isn't necessary to establish a character in these kind of games. Or maybe I'm biased because I played BG1 and 2 and shit.
You will simply never have the same level of success with low VO that's possible with full, normalfags cannot stand it and will rage uncontrollably.
>Not to dickride or anything but Chris Avellone's writing is pretty consistently excellent
He's a failed comic book writer
And that's still better than 99% of vidya writers especially the ones from BG3 lmao @ the utter state of vidya writing.
Nah
Nice try though PoEchud
At least PoE is better than Cuckfinder
Obsidrone cope.
this man is delusional, take him to the infirmary
Deadfire has better designs direction than both Pathfinder but as an actual game, I'd take any of the Pathfinders any day of the week.
He's a Chris Avellone written companion
If you're trolling you have to make it less obvious.
Doesn't matter who wrote him when production and editorial kept cutting until he's a mess you only pick up because he's the default cleric. And if you haven't played before, you keep hoping he might actually say something interesting about the war.
BG3 companions just care about how much they want to fuck you. That's their character, that's the reason for their existence.
i never finished poe but the chanter woman was so hot, should i restart and finish it? i was in chapter 3 playing as a paladin
>woman
Stop being a Ganker thrall. The companions do have their own selfish motives in BG3 and you're just being fucking retarded if you think otherwise. But yeah, BG3 companions do need more lines, on that I can agree on.
The issue with BG3 companions is the heavy rewrites. Most of them had more lines when the tadpoles magic/Dream person was tied to Shar. Then in EA patch 5 it got rework to just be the mind worm
But magical.
Then in full release it’s gay squid.
>EA BG3 the ring you got from the Society of brilliance would actually block out the mind worm powers and dreams.
>launch BG3 the ring just makes you immune to charm
Fuck you, that quest is a pain in the ass with that shitty tower. At least in EA it felt like the item would be story relevant.
KISLEV WILL ENDURE
Oi, come back to /twg/ the rat infestation is getting outta hand
i've been exiled, umgi
Why was it that the two best characters in PoE were ugly old fucks
>2023
>Obsidrones are STILL seething over Larian mogging them to hell and back
I agree that PoE2 being a flop is hilarious but BG3 does have some of the worse writing in vidya and this industry already have shit like CoD and Gears of War.
gears of war is good though
BG3 writing still stands comfortably above the average videogame writing and especially mogs 99% of JRPGs (the only exception in the latter being FFT and T:O).
>mogs 99% of JRPGs
Which is a very VERY low bar since literally every single RPG player knows that JRPG aren't even RPGs and have cringy writing to boot. If there's one thing that I like about BG3, it's the fact that it literally showed to many normies how western RPG have always been superior compared to them.
You do realize that these obsessed retards keep shitposting about any single cRPG, right?
Reminder that obsidian disemboweled both Durance and Grieving Mother's content because they wanted to have the same voiceover:dialog ratio for each companion
Grieving Mother is shit and should just be removed anyway.
Because theres a SIGNIFICANT difference between old writers and modern hack writers.
I played this game on launch, and for the life of me, I can't remember a single thing about the companions. No names, characterizations, or anything else. Actually, scratch that; I can't remember a single thing about the plot either.
Ganker: the NPC
>why couldn't BG3's ($250mil budget game) companions had the same amount of quality and care put into their characterisation?
BG3 was written by women
i think most companions are great except hiravias and the mother
Because Pillars of Eternity blew its load in the first game. They had a pretty cool idea for a central game setting. They had a compelling central plot that linked directly into that game setting and they had alot of characters that tie directly into that plot. The reason durance was so compelling was that he was the Robert Oppenheimer of the setting and the whole game plot was about figuring out the ramifications of the Godhammer and Waidwen/Eothas.
This is also why the second game was such a sterile piece of shit. The central mystery of the setting was blow out and there was nothing worthwhile left to explore. The central conceit of man made gods basically disintegrated the metaphysics of the whole setting (which they did a terrible job of explaining) and then they failed to make a compelling argument for the created gods (because they are San Francisco positivist atheist quakers) so the setting couldn't support any other stories.
BG3 is just a single story in a wide world. They can't do anything earthshaking but they can do mid sized things. THe sheer size of the game and the options available preclude meaningful character work. You can't have a tight story if the major story beats can't be relied on.
Simply put there are limitations on character in a game that offers this much freedom. What writing there is is competent and there are good moments but you have to make allowances for depth in these things.
>What writing there is is competent
No.
deadfire is better albeit, just needs a ship combat minigame and some evil companions
suck fish dick you cuck
>blew it's load in the first game
Kind of, but not really. Durance was more than just an Oppenheimer, he was a group of oppenheimers guided but God herself and then had a complete crisis of faith when God stopped talking to him (like a fucking whore, Gods in pillars are cringe). The game setting was neato, but hardly any characters were actually all that interesting, and the combat/balancing was dogshit because Sawyer can't keep it in his pants. Spot on about Pillars 2 but even Pillars 1 suffers from an extreme level nihilism and "yeah, the gods are dicks, you can do nothing about it"
Ironically, the only one not a gayy self-important cunt is Eothas, who gets nuked twice because he's just better I guess.
The setting gets pants on head retarded and cringe the more thought you put into it
eothas is good but he's not chad abyddon level, who fucking took the moon to his face
>This is also why the second game was such a sterile piece of shit. The central mystery of the setting was blow out and there was nothing worthwhile left to explore.
You people cling way too much to some shitty mystery that was never interesting in the first place.
i remember every fight in this game was:
1. block choke with tank
2. heal tank while AOE blasting choke
What about characters and companions having better stories, better writing and them having more dialogue than BG3?
>Better stories
Astarion alone blows most of the pillars one cast out of the water
Outside of Durance, Eder and and Aloth, they're all kind of garbage. Even grieving mother, which is an OC tier abomination
pallegina and devil are better than anything from weg3
>Astarion
Notice that you didn't even try to elaborate on why the retarded gay vampire is good? Yeah, that's how shitty your game is and you know it deep inside.
Astarion has an actual entire character arc, rather than being a one note character that just simply has a quest attached to it. He's pretty interesting as a vampire that just got the ability to ignore the usual penalties of being a vampire. Voice acting and animation work aside (which will obviously be better in bg3). He's funny without being full reddit humor, and he still has undertones of more serious themes like having issues with controls and coping of being a sex slave by being a hypersexualized retard (that doesn't actually like sex that much). He's pretty deep, even if he is edgy like most of Larian's OCs. The only comparable Pillars part is Durance's entire arc of having a crisis of faith, but it's handled probably too pretentiously to take serious in Pillars
>Astarion has an actual entire character arc
Of which are all 100% badly written with dialogues written by a fucking progtard woman. That 1 note character has a fuckload more unique backstory and banter than literally everything that gay vampire says. Did you even play his final quest?
Probably more recently than you did, yes
SO why the fuck did you even consider Astarion as a good companion when both his quest and character arc are both dogshit in terms of writing? PoE1 companions are obviously not perfect but they're 100x better than anything in BG3.
His arc is worseless because he has 1/10 dialogue lines compared to most companions in most cRPGs. Compare that to dao, where on top of arcs, companions had insane amount of moments OUTSIDE OF ROMANCE when you could just chat with them, ask their opinions on world and world factions/culture. Bg3 doesn't have cultures, factions, nations, anything. So astarion loses it's initial complexity because the world around him doesn't exist and has nothing inside it.
Also
Astarion is a homosexual. This makes him worse than all poe&poe2 companions combined.
Cope, you can talk to them after major events and they'll share more of their backstory and opinions. They also have much better banter
POE companions are limited to 2 good characters and a bunch of annoying cunts with barely a personality and opinions. They barely have any strong opinions about the groups or people you interact with and find
>you can talk to them after major events and they'll share more of their backstory and opinions
Literally 1 sentence.
And they all say the same DAMN thing:
Laezel turned rogue??? Good for her!! Every single reaction is the same shit and 90% of the time MC doesn't have a response
>annoying cunts with barely a personality and opinions.
But enough about BG3
>They barely have any strong opinions about the groups or people you interact with and find
But enough about BG3
lol cope Josh
Not a cope, just objective fact
*smug Apu.jpg*
Neither does most of bg3 cast which is why gale will just eternally stick around even if you were to rape a bunch of orphan children.
>He's pretty interesting as a vampire that just got the ability to ignore the usual penalties of being a vampire.
and other words written by people who have never read a single fantasy book before
Because they don't have Chris Avellone. He's unmatched in the industry outside of Disco's writers maybe.
BG3 companions ain't bad but you can't compare them to the best of the best.
What is he up to nowadays?
I remember he worked on Kingmaker and WoTR, last time I checked.
Got cancelled by some roastie. Won the case against her but he's probably still blacklisted by big companies. Hopefully he makes a comeback some day.
That happened between KM and WoTR, that's why I was curious(the cancellation that is).
Sparsely working because he got a fat paycheck from countersuing getting cancelled. His work on WotR and Kingmaker was minimal as is compared to earlier works
PoE 1 is just a prime example of why it's not worth it to put effort into writing quality.
It has one of the best written villains ever, as well as the two best written characters in videogame history (Durance and Zahua), but it sure as fuck didn't help them sell the game now did it?
what do you mean, poe1 did well
The game world lore felt a bit flat and they played it too safe with a medieval mid level fantasy setting. We've seen 100s of that. Sawyer's analism with celtic fantasy words were really dumb as well. Also text text text text. Too many backer texts with no substance to them.
The Deadfire setting was great - it just needed a better main plot and a more interesting ship mechanic.
>The game world lore felt a bit flat and they played it too safe with a medieval mid level fantasy setting. We've seen 100s of that
Sure as hell didn't stop BG3 from being successful
I agree with all other things you said, but I think my main point still stands... I don't think there is any evidence that quality of writing = more sales, because the majority consumerbase just does not care, hell, they even care more about bear sex than they do quality writing
moron please. BG3, like any other popular game only rode on hype and marketing. Nothing else, not even the gay bear sex. If good fucking mechanic and writing matters then
>Hogwarts Legacy
>Starfield
>Cyberpunk 2077
>Diablo 4
Wouldn't sold gangbuster and have more people playing online.
BG3 definitely isn't like PoE's flat tone.
First thing you do in BG3 is get off a nautiloid of all things at level 1. If anything BG3 does well to grip normies, is that both it's presentation and lore is far more colourful than PoE. Is the setting the same shit as before? Yeah, but it's frontloaded with every facet of D&D from the get go. In PoE, you get a biawac and then it's wilderness, wilderness, wilderness - nothing interesting really happens in the first hour.
Arguably the early industrial part of the setting was downright inspired, it just failed to influence anything of note except for Priests making a big bomba and having the occasional factory aesthetics and guns.
Many such cases of good ideas ruined by over compromising for balance
Having occasionally good character writing doesn't discount you passing through one of the most boring and nihilistic settings ever put into a fantasy game while the quest design also kind of just sucked
Why is it always PoEfags seething at Larian Studio?
Dunno, maybe because Pillars is a serviceable cRPG game and Larian produces completely different games but abuses marketing and pre-release masquerading tactics as if they were cRPGs?
lay off the franchise dickriding and enjoy all the games
PoEfags are seething at every RPG more successful than it.
>Why is it always <insert older franchise>fags seething at <insert new successful comapny>?
It rhymes.
There's already a massive lack of cRPGs, why would anyone fanboy one over the other?
my tribe must slaughter all the other tribes
Obsidiandrone cope over failing to capture more players even with drastic attempts to casualize the game because of the snarkyness and brainrot of Obsidian
Fucking this, we have a decent number of good crpgs now and the first thing these gays do is create sides. I blame American politics.
he always reminded me of Jesus if he were bat shit insane and psychopathic
devil is the only truly good poe companion
the others are too much wordswordswordswordswords
>tfw seeing her chest piece for sale in deadfire
Just one of the many ways Sawyer shat on the first game. I really don't understand why he got so spiteful about it, some relatively criticism doesn't seem to warrant it.
Because Sawyer is a petty jaded old fuck?
It takes real spite to cut your own nose off, I gotta say.
he is made of spite
>pillars has good wri-
*obnoxious southern amerilard accent*
howdy partner
That's the second game
Game sounds pretty interesting. Playing BG3 has given me a newfound hunger for CRPGs. Only ones I'd played before it were Fallout 1 & 2 and Divinity: Original Sin 2.
Pillars is a good compromise between bg1&2 and later (good) Bioware titles such as Dragon Age.
The system is also created from scratch and tuned specifically for computer combat. I love dnd2 and 3.5, but videogames need massive adaptations or rewrites for this system to be good on an electronic machine, but this would make purists angry. Pillars evades this issue by having it's own system.
>later (good) Bioware titles such as Dragon Age
Yikes
>The system is also created from scratch and tuned specifically for computer combat
Such an underrated aspect. This system is good, albeit a bit obtuse at times. Still better than halfbaked D&D again.
wrong, it has fuckall build variety
It has relatively limited build variety but that's the sacrifice made for a tighter system that isn't as terrible as computerized DnD 5e.
idk about weg3's 5e but pathfinder is better
What the fuck are you talking about retard? It literally has more build variety than Baldur's Gay since the resource and mechanic alone are 100& different from each classes.
i have no idea about baldur gay, i'm comparing it to actually good crpgs like godfinder
look at this
Companions having shit stat distribution is nothing new and isn't anything related to build variety at all.
Games that allow you to create entire parties are a lost art
the issue is that it's not even a bad stat spread, pallegina does just fine, it highlights how meaningless stats are
They aren't meaningless, they are just all useful in different ways and Pallegina does fine with it because paladins do pretty well with an even stat distribution.
My current ranger character has fuck all to do with resolve and constitution, as he pew pews from afar, but gets fucked over quickly if an enemy manages to get to him. On the other hand, with an even stat distribution, he wouldn't be leading the most kills by a far mile.
Should I dump Might for my Ranger class or Perception? Also, what's the best Ranged weapon in the game? Arbalest or good ol gunpowder?
>should i dump hit chance or damage on my martial character
I'm certainly not a PoE expert, but my character does well with 14 Might, 16 Dexterity and 23 Perception. Some of that boosted by items. I think all of these weapons are fine, but went with hunting bows for roleplaying reasons (but also for the fast attack rate, causing lots of interrupts) and gave the guns to some other characters that made more sense for them.
Again, if he actually gets surrounded, he can get downed pretty fast. But he's a machinegun and I got my frontline.
Might is not hit chance in PoE.
>Might is not hit chance in PoE.
no shit sherlock
Alright, arquebus bear ranger it is then. Second question, what element should I enchant my weapon with? Corrode seems like the best options since not many enemies are immune to it from my experience in Act 2.
Basically enchant it with whatever white march content has less resistance against. I sadly can't remember.
Oh yeah I forgot about freaking Whitemarch lol. When should I start it actually? My characters and companions are already at level 8-9 after that insane souls asylum quest.
That level is good enough, you might feel a bit too powerful in the early stages of that dlc.
>Whitemarch
Ranger needs dex & perc & might. Rest can be a dump
I think guns are better suited for ciphers (dex doesn't effect reload, so cipher could go might, perc, int) while bows and crossbows are for ranged rogues.
Ranger could probably do well with either guns or crossbows/bows depending how much dex you have
Oh, I thought you were comparing BG3 and PoE1 build variety and saying BG3 have superior build variety. Carry on then.
The infamous max Intelligence barbarian game has no build variety?
yes, intelligence being useful for non-casters doesn't change this
'Infamous' would imply people have heard of it.
Pillars tried to evade it too hard it wrote a snorefest of a gameplay system
lots of them to look at;
obviously bg1&2
the more combat oriented bg's, icewind dale 1&2
temple of elemental evil
arcanum: of steamworks and magick obscura
planescape: torment
fallout-lite, ATOM rpg
some ballbusting ones with a solo protag too like underrail or the age of decadence
>very first conversation has self-fellating wink wink nudge nudge about you, the player, being a thing and durance talking about how you don't actually interact with people like a human
there's making his first impression be "I hate this cunt" and then there's making his first impression be "I hate the jackoff that wrote this cunt"
I hate POE2 so fucking much. How could it be so awful? Why do people who are supposed to be from the same place have random, different accents from places in America? Did they think having the pirates be the only ones who don't like slavery was smart commentary? Do they not know what a press gang is? Was their lead artist struck in the head and have his eyes removed, or did they actually believe the portraits were anything but offensively ugly? How could they make the backer content even more obnoxious and poorly written than the first game?
gameplay and setting are better it's all i care about
Combat and exploration were better. Though I hated what they did to spells making every class basically a DnD Sorc
Larian absolutely refuses to write remotely interesting companions, I don't understand why
easier to pander to coomers with gay bear sex
Josh Sawyer and Chris Avellone bro. BG3 is made by stinky sex crazed euros.
Chris Avellone is good but pretentious as hell, Josh Sawyer is being carried by everyone else in the company
Josh Sawyer is the turbo autist soulless math man, but he is a genius in that aspect. He needs someone like Avellone to add the soul to his campaigns.
Man has no soul, sure he has good ideas but he needs extensive tard wrangling to make him do anything good. I don't get why people have such an aversion to strong characters in rpg video games, they can just make the game harder
WHY WAS DREADFIRE SO DISAPPOINTING NARRATIVELY.
SUCH A WASTE OF GIGA GODTIER COMBAT & GAMEPLAY.
Best writers had left.
I have never played a RPG/CRPG with better combat, mechanics, builds than Deadfire. Josh Sawyer knows whats what.
>GIGA GODTIER COMBAT & GAMEPLAY.
they went too hard on the ai customization. you can play it as a idle battler if you want
Sawyer had a melty about how the plot of PoE 1 was received, specifically about how some said the stakes weren't high enough or something, so he decided to take a massive shit on the first game and ruin the second with a resurrected god trope (as if DnD hadn't done that enough).
Sawyer also had a melty about how people thought that stats were insignificant by making them even more useless, shafting multicasting, and getting rid of any good characters. The vampire chick should have been in the game instead of Xoti, Maya is alright, the furry and the sharkcock guy probably should have been scrapped in favor of some of the minicompanions you get, Aloth and Pallegina also shouldn't have been companions
I love aloth so much it's unreal
Fuck stats distribution, if the characters are well written and have lots of dialogue I am fine with them having sub optimal stats
Aloth is a neat bro, but he really had nothing to do in the game in a way that he couldn't be a ship NPC asking you for a quest or favor and moving on. Eder makes sense to travel with you, but you'd figure Aloth would be busy
Pillars stats really contribute so little to a character other than dex and perception that it doesn't really matter too much, it's probably better than having single stat dependent classes ala DND but it's not that much of a good alternative
PoE2 had the shittiest companions, they even ruined Eder.
It's a goddamn shame because everything other than writing/narrative was great
>they even ruined Eder.
He was fine.
His racism wasn't as ham-fisted in the first game.
He's racist? I'm
but so far Eder seems like the ultimate farmer bro to me.
Eder is racist against Kith (the little furry people) but in the realistic way rather than the sjw moral lesson way
Put Hiravias in the party with him and you'll see.
poe stats are insignificant compared to GODSUPREMEDIVINEfinder
What cheesed me off is removing enchanting weapons with your own effects unless they're unique and even then you don't get to do whatever you want.
Yeah, that was a very bizarre change aimed at sort of removing player power and freedom, too many free magic weapons I guess
>Narratively weak, still same pillars Nihilism with the gods but now Eothas permanently fucked the world up
>Side quests kind of suck and no one is likeable enough to commit to a faction
>Companions range from just good (Maya, Aloth) to annoying and unlikeable (Xoti, sharkguy)
>Better companions are just around in half-hidden events as sidekicks, who are entirely more interesting but somehow we got who were stuck with
>Gods are still dicks, even the ones you helped in pillars 1
>Ship combat sucks
>Game once again went through a heavy features cut on the Sawyerbalance pass to accommodate multiclassing
>Even less player power with the legendary items being the only customizable ones, and the soulbound items
>Even less pre-buffing and fight planning in Pillars 2 and than Pillars 1
>Arbitrary consumables limit
I liked Tekehu. He was the best companion in Deadfire. He actually had a personality.
I just found him very annoying and one note, sex obsessed, constantly had to hear about how every village he had an ex. It just felt weird
He was a himbo retard but he was my bro. You teach him to grow up.
Maybe I didn't give him enough of a chance, his boasting just got very annoying after a while. And that guy hits in you way too fasy
>Better companions are just around in half-hidden events as sidekicks, who are entirely more interesting but somehow we got who were stuck with
There was one sidekick who REALLY deserved main cast companion was Rekke. His inclusion in that he is a Storm Folk Human (ultra rare and mysterious human) and from Yezuha (a mystery power empire on the other side of the world) sounded like the coolest thing in Deadfire but we barely get to know ANYTHING about it because he never got expanded.
Indeed, Rekke should have come to you instead of the furry and his gay handler
What the fuck happened with deadfire? The whole game felt off to me, and I loved the first game.
it is better doe
Bad writing
Spiteful lead dev poisoning his own well
I've watched some Sawyers live streams and his discussions about various things. He's cripplingly autistic.
This is the vibe I got while playing it. It seemed like they thought they were making a masterpiece.
What the fuck are you supposed to do after taking out that one castle in the early part of the game? I legit got stuck and gave up
So easy to bait Cuckfidner shills
They're still malding because BG3 is a massive success and literally no one cares about Cuckfinder
More players than Pillars though, maybe because Pathfinder actually strikes a good power fantasy
>maybe because Pathfinder actually strikes a good power fantasy
Like being cucked by your romance? Wow, Pathfinder cucks have very strange power fantasies
Poor bait.
Brother, Camellia cucks you in every ending and it's the companion every Cuckfinder shills to you when they're trying to sell the game. REALLY makes you think
At least do some research before you engage in your /vpol/ schizo ramblings.
So far I've seen here only obsidrones seething at pathfinder.
Because no matter how much you want it to be, BG3 isn't a companion friend simulator. They actually cared about making the people you find and interact with characters instead, and giving you fights with even the slightest amount of encounter design behind them.
>They actually cared about making the people you find and interact with characters instead
??
They sure tried by making it seems that way by using the Tieflings(the very first friendly people you met in the game) in multiple quests but I can't say that it's actually working tbqh.
I can't really say that I am sad that the tiefling kid lost her parents, I don't really cared when I failed rescuing the two tieflings from Moonrise, and I can't say that I cared that much that Zevlor betrayed his people or whatever.
>uuuh I don't care though 🙂
Sure thing, gay. The point remains, the people in the world are also characters instead of literally everyone outside of your party being an actual nobody.
What good are those designed encounters for if the ai is utterly nonexistent?
AI isn't nonexistant though, and they'll regularly find the most bullshit and retarded way to get halfway across the map and push you into a fire or whatever.
This game is such a bore, holy shit I'm amazed I was able to finish it.
Is your character from PoE1 the same character in PoE2? Haven't finished the first one yet, but plan to play the sequel too. In that case I would make the same guy again. Otherwise, maybe something else entirely.
yes but you can create the character again
Neat, thank you.
Yes you can even port the same save. Although I think it lets you change class and race
still doesn't compare to WOTR companions
WOTR has the best companions since planescape torment
cam is the greatest companion in videogame history
OP here. I'm eastern european and I will never play Pathfinder games. Owlcat are fraud criminals that must be hanged on a rope. I am glad you enjoyed their crpg take though.
Found the redditor!
Takes one to know one, eh?
As mediocre/boring/forgettable that PoE is, it shocked me at how better is compared to BG3.
At least with PoE you don't want to claw your eyes out from the cringe.
Even though the dlc dyke is quite cringe
How did Larian get away with remaking DoS2 and just adding DnD lore to it?
There are no dnd lore in BG3.
There are no factions, no cultures, no nations, no distinct political/ideological confrontations. The game is as normie inclusive friendly as it could be. You could swap Larian for Ubisoft and the game wouldn't even change a bit
>There are no factions, no cultures, no nations, no distinct political/ideological confrontations.
moron it's forgotton realms there are none of those things.
Which is precisely why creating new systems and new world from scratch (Pillars of Eternity/Dragon age origins) is a way to go for computer electronic roleplaying games. Forgotten realms is a NukaWorld of roleplaying experience. It works for tabletop because GM gets to write his own politics and culture. As a result, videogame adaptations suck
Fair enough, I can agree with that.
There's lore about Netheril, but you're right other than that the only real "lore" is references to bg1&2's lore of the dead three.
my cute wife
No Ydwin and Mirke as waifus was a waste
Ydwin is truly ascended tier
Aside from the DLC I wish she was made a full companion in the base game instead of a minor one.
>Heck yeah Obsidian bros, Larian doesn't have shit on our compani-ACK!
Seriously, cool setting, very cool magic system, but I don't remember a single companion from the game, and don't even get me started on the fucking ending.
This game ends too early and the companions are meh, but honestly the setting and writing were pretty decent and the short runtime of the game makes it a bit more palatable than most crpgs.
Lantry, Barik and Verse were fine and surprise they're the actual ones allied with Kyros, the other 3 sucked though
Tyranny is also a shit game
Correct.
This and Torment: Tides of Numenera were such huge disappointments. It's no wonder the CRPG "revival" died.
I've finished tyranny but haven't finished torment, generally get that tyranny was a case of Obsidian incompetence but what was the issue with Torment? It seems solid from what I've been playing (pirated)
Torment was fun, i liked everything about it except the combat (turn based, fuck off with that)
Intro is awesome
Kana is a companion which (being a lore student and all) has a special dialogue option for EVERY SINGLE location in the game. Some of it is one sentence, some of them have detailed descriptions. It was cool traveling with him and learning about Eora.
Fucking lazy Larian Black folks couldn't write a single interesting character with worthy dialogue inputs
I enjoyed Deadfire more than the first game.
I even liked the ending. Trying to stop a god is a fool's errand. A puny mortal cannot stop a god.
Maybe we coulda done something if the other gods weren't written to be a bunch of shitters. Sawyer was so determined to railroad you he wouldn't even allow Wael's spaghetti monster to stop Eothas.
I didn't mind the themes of the plot - I did have a problem with how one note the journey was. It was just find Eothas, from beginning, mid, to end. Get from Point A to B to C to D. The End.
The plot really needed more intrigue to make the chase better. The factions trying to fuck each other over isn't enough. Maybe having Eothas aligned with Rymyrgand and a few other gods who are trying to halt your advance would have made it more interesting. Definitely a secondary humanoid villain for us to focus on.
Deadfire had two good things about it:
Beast of Winter DLC and this
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Devs are ought to use more Ireland step as combat music for their games. I am tired of generic fantasy epic orchestra score combat soundtrack. Save orchestra for town music (aka Talmberg themes)
In a game full of forgettable boring characters, this guy takes the cake. You are forced to take him with you if you want to progress his quest and the guy has the most amount of words to say and the least interesting things among them
grieving mother is worse
Mother is a very cool idea. Only the watcher can see her true form and talk to her. It's makes her a terrible inclusion for a party based adventure full of banter and optional props of companions talking to NPCs mid dialogue. In a fallout/pirahna bytes style game with a single companion she would fit so much better imho.
CRPG with pause has always had diablo combat. It's the writing and dialogue and story & characterisation that makes them great. In a sense, BG3 is more of a diablo game (not literally, but symbolically) than Pillars ever was.
POE is the worst modern crpg I've had the displeasure of playing. What a shitty boring game
Way to let everyone the colour of your skin without actually telling it outright. Not bad
>words words words words shitty I can't believe it's not an infinity engine game off brand Diablo gameplay
what kind of fucking idiot likes Obsidian games
I didn't like a single thing about Durance.
I like every single thing about Durance. Fantasy Jesus Oppenheimer hobo is great
his stats are pretty bad
I should have just made him a tank with a shield since enemies love to target him
I gave him a Greatsword and put him in a Support role like Buffing the shit out of our party and casting Holy Radiance.
spamming buffs and debuffs is all he does but it's better if he doesn't die in 2 hits
I gave him an arquebus, as he indeed likes to get mowed down by enemies in the frontline. And there is also some cleric-related abilities that gives him extra damage with them.
are you supposed to be able to just instantly board enemies in deadfire? being able to do it both inside the """ship battle""" portion and during the intro screen thing makes it feel very much like they realised the ship part of their ocean adventure game was shit too late
I liked the ship stuff in deadfire, I'm a sucker for customizing my own ships/castles etc. If I remember correctly you could just move in for boarding, but manouvering around to blow the enemies into splinters with your cannons was also fun. In fact I kind of regreted there wasn't more ship combat, because by the time I got all the best ship stuff, the only enemies left were those giants who always just move in to board you, so you don't even have any opportunity to shoot at them.
I love doing that but it's criminal that there isn't a real time naval combat minigame
I like crpg’s and obsidian like anyone else but I could never get myself invested in PoE; I wanna try again, is there a fun build I could do?
Finished poe as a cipher.
Then played both games as an Eotas cleric and it was cool.
Also, Berath is the only God that isn't interested in politics, worship or any of that shit, so playing as Berath cleric is rewarding as well.
Cipher it is then, 3 other replies recommended it too lmao.
Personally I enjoyed the cipher class
I liked playing as a pikemen Cipher even though ranged cipher is probably better. Wizard is also pretty good since they summon yuge tentacles that do yuge damage.
For me? It's cipher.
>4 fucking cipher recommendation at almost the same time
lmao does cipher have unique content or something?
it does have a bit, you can sometimes get into people's minds
but also it's just fun to play
cipher is fucking garbage, dual wield dps fighter is good though, and rogue
In Deadfire, go Inquisitor (Soulblade Cipher/Bleak Walker Paladin). Shit just blasts lol.
>launch pathfinder wotr
>making my character
>read race blurbs
>godborn are nice dudes 🙂
>gnomes are whimsical little shits
>half-orcs are stupid and angry and nobody likes them >:(
>play game
>all the godborn are traitors or evil aligned
>all the gnomes are cruel, spiteful, dour cunts
>all the half-orcs are simpering hyper-emotional types
genius writing I will now stop being racist in game and in real life
>complains races have certain predispositions
>somehow this is supposed to be a call to not be racist
I can see how you'd think PoE has godlike writing.
I'm complaining that none of the predispositions exist in the game you illiterate freak
Just because you played 5 minutes doesn't mean you know anything about the game, sweaty 🙂
>Josh Sawyer itt shitposting
I just want another game with Deadfires combat mechanics.
Maybe we'll get another one with BG3s success.
>I just want another game with Deadfires combat mechanics
Have you tried MMOs? Because that's how deadfire works
What MMO has a penetration mechanic tied to armor and weapon types? I'd like to check it out.
WoW
That's honestly surprising. I'm still not playing WoW.
It's made for the type of idiots who like Obsidian games
t. 5e enjoyer
how does it change from poe1? Playing deadfire and still haven't bothered to learn the new mechanics
It's been a few years, you're better off googling it than asking me.
MMO doesn't have multiple controllable party members though
Durance might be the best, at least one 9f the best crpg companions of all time. Bg3 has only lower middle tier companions.
Obsidian companions are generally poorly written drama dumps that don't act like real people.
Proof? Also
They're better than Larian companions, which makes me appreciate them more.
>poorly written drama dumps that don't act like real people.
But enough about BG3
>that don't act like real people.
this is such a worthless complaint that is entirely reliant on the person making its environment
like bro we don't know who the fuck you associate and interact with, for all we know the only "real people" you know are retards on Ganker
This game is fucking dogshit lmao
What is a not dogshit game to you?
Resident Evil 4 OG
That game is fucking dogshit lol
lmfao cope gay
basado
Hey gay, see
THE GODHAMMER
What is better Pillars of Eternity? Or the original Resident Evil 4?
those are two completely different games dude holyshit
Irrelevant answer the question gay. Which is a better game?
>What is a better game? Heroes 3 or Assassin's Creed 3?
>UHHHHHH I CAN'T ANWSER BECAUSE THE GAMES AREN'T THE SAME
That's like asking what's better, Euro Truck Simulator or Bloon TD
RE4, obviously
Based BG3 doing so much for CRPGs that it even compels schizo haters to try other games in the genre
>Sawyer tries to gimp mages in PoE1
>mages still take a HUGE dump all over the entire fucking class roster
>better tanks and melee fighters than actual fighters because they can summon a life draining staff or a powerful bow with a single spell cast and it will last an entire encounter on top of stacking gorilla tier deflection
>better crowd controllers and damage dealers than any other class too
>jerks ciphers off but they are just fucking dogshit compared to wizards
What do you mean “Sawyer tried to gimp mages” it was just retards at launch complaining because they don’t know how to build them in the system
>What do you mean “Sawyer tried to gimp mages”
I mean taking away the entire mechanic of using spells on per encounter basis on higher levels in favour of shitty spell mastery
>taking away the entire mechanic of using spells on per encounter basis
but that was never a mechanic in dnd like games
i finished BG3 and there isnt a single location i would like to revisit and see for a second time.
or a single song i would like to listen again to.
not even a single fight i would like to fight again.
or a quest i would like to play again.
i can replay BG2 right now for the 100th time and have fun with it, but just the concept of ever replaying BG3 again is filling me with dread.
why are larian games like this?
exactly the same happened with DoS2, i couldnt even finish it.
some day i just.... forgot i played this game and that it exists.
pic.... kinda related.
They are front loaded, you can't revisit places after a certain event (ewww), cities are all empty (except cyseal), no real pubs or inns. Larian has shit itemization and Subpar enemy encounters. It's a poorly designed sandbox experience with emphasis on you can even do X and map explorstion can be summarised with: bet you didn't saw that one coming, huh?
personally, i hate the graphics in larian games.
its not really *bad*, its just.... ugly as shit.
there isnt a single larian game with a "pretty place", all of their games look like Stock photos.
At least we can all agree PoE has the best soundtrack
mmmm nice.
But personally i think BG2 and BG2 ToB have the best soundtracks.
Its like adventure, in music form.
Does BG3 even have music? honest to god it was so forgettable i dont even remember there was music when i was playing.
I liked BG 1 music more tbqh.
For me it's
Voice cloning tech will save CRPGs.
Or it would if the big ones weren't dead set on hiring the dregs of american and britain to write.
Regardless fuck having to set everything in stone months in advance to get it recorded.