This. I want games, I get games. Simple as that.
Ironically, we had a brief period where people were more interested in buying games than pirating them. But then Humble Bundle fucked up a good thing, businesses decided that releasing games on Steam with a $100+ price tag was fine, and we're back to where we were.
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Justify video game piracy, Ganker
It's funny because, at no point, does this atate that creators are harmed by piracy. At no point does it say developers make less money. It just says "Don't let people have free games, they won't buy expensive ones anymore!" as if that's a terrible thing.
>I’m just le based poor person trying my best, raging against the machine, man. Those fucking rich cunts hate me but I’m gonna have fun anyway, just to spite them. Peace.
be cause he is le based poor person trying his best, raging against the machine. fucking leftists and their hatred towards people with less resources, if game studios really were allies, they'd distribute their games for free
nobody can ever seriously used the justification of "there shouldn't be borders" because it gets laughed out of any conversation seriously considering statecraft. the only, only justification for immigration ever brought forward is the money. from the people who hate how "capitalism treats people." curiouser and curiouser...
fucking ten year old games that only exist for PS3 or Playstation Now, please put your shit on steam or at least sell the .iso themselves so i can emulate it in peace.
i don't want to buy a two decade old console to play three or four games.
dollar is dollar. Its value remains strong because when the govt prints a shitload of it, the entire planet goes nuts and starts overworking to keep up and earn more. If they don't, other countries they have by the balls with crash on grains, petrol, gas and pretty much anything else sold overseas for that sweet sweet dough
it isn't counterfeiting either.
you're not making a 'false' copy that imitates the real thing, you're making a copy that functions (ideally) identically to the original.
piracy is piracy, it isn't theft or counterfeiting even if it may superficially resemble them
Pirate before buy for the most part. Demos were a huge thing pre-7th gen consoles. They were a massive part of early online systems like PSN/XBL on the PS3/360 but when devs dropped demons that were shit, it tanked their sales so they stopped putting them out. Rental options are dead and you're a fucking retard if you trust game journalist shills or Ganker for recommendations.
I don't care that it's illegal/immoral/whatever. Additionally, if I pirate a game that I like and finish, it allows me to wait for it to drop to a price point I'm more comfortable or willing to pay.
I do miss demo disks, but I went through a solid year of using Gamefly and played through a ton of games with it. This was maybe 6-7 years ago so maybe they suck now but at the time it was definitely worth. It's not as good as simply downloading a demo but I'd give it a look if you're serious about renting before buying (or just renting if its a single player game you don't think you'll replay).
And if you're wondering, I only recall a single instance where I got a copy of a game that didn't work. I think I just filed a support and they sent out a replacement. Pretty painless process.
That's good to hear Gamefly is/was worth it. I'm mainly a PC gamer these days so my options are more limited. It's more about convenience tbh though. If I could run down to a rental place or Redbox or whatever to grab and try something that'd be cool. Ultimately, and I'm not trying to justify it or anything, piracy just give consumers a little bit of power back against devs/publishers that have slowly taken more and more steps to produce anti-consumerist products and policies (FTP/PTW, live service shit, etc).
>piracy rips off creators hard work without compensation
it doesn't >it damages the industry
it doesn't >lets gamers believe games should be free
it doesn't
rips off creators hard work without compensation >it doesn't
It does >>it damages the industry >it doesn't
It does >>lets gamers believe games should be free >it doesn't
It does >here, I debunked it
you didn't
rips off creators hard work without compensation >>it doesn't >It does
It doesn't >>>it damages the industry >>it doesn't >It does
It doesn't >>>lets gamers believe games should be free >>it doesn't >It does
It doesn't >>here, I debunked it >you didn't
he did
>piracy rips off creators hard work without compensation
it doesn't >it damages the industry
it doesn't >lets gamers believe games should be free
it doesn't
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rips off creators hard work without compensation >>it doesn't >It does >>>it damages the industry >>it doesn't >It does >>>lets gamers believe games should be free >>it doesn't >It does >>here, I debunked it >you didn't >See? You're wrong
You screech and bawl your eyes out even if we buy the game legally, because that's not enough for you. You want to control the product down to even the time I'm allowed to enjoy it.
>you can't play this singleplayer game offline because... YOU JUST CAN'T!
Look, personally a good game deserves to be compensated with money. But you have no right trying to turn a product into a service. Once you've been compensated, you no longer get a say in the matter. I bought Super Metroid, so I will make copies of it. Hundreds of copies. Then they'll be endlessly romhacked and modded. Then I'll modify my consoles to play them, even if they're not nintendo approved. That's right, gonna enjoy super metroid on the Vita and the steam deck.
Why do you take issue with this? You got paid already. Shut up and be happy that you got your money.
We had this conversation a endless amount of times now.
People who pirate shows&games&movies will not buy the thing if they dont have the option to pirate anymore.
All this any pirate shit they do only punishes the loyal buyer instead of the pirate.
1: making it impossible to pirate hasn't been tried so that kind of pressue on them hasn't existed.
2: the kind of person you describe doesn't exist, IE "i just wont consume entertainment of any kind if I must pay" that level of asceticism has never existed; all religious ascetics have lied about their vows in private.
How do we acheive 1 given the reality of 2? Fairly easily, stop making online games. Stop making games available online, stop making nonphysical games, literally punish with death any individual extrajudicially for uploading A N Y T H I N G. A T. A L L.
piracy ends, the internet dies, good riddance to both.
so then delete and/or police the internet by making it legal for law enforcement to legally hack your computer?
make it illegal for anyone to purchase portable disk space?
it's impossible
also if the devs make their games extremely difficult to pirate, someone will ego crack it any way PLUS it can be part of an economic warefare scheme to have said software cracked to undermine revenue of a competing economic zone
If a poor person pirates your game, they were never going to buy it in the first place.
If a regular joe pirates your game and doesn't like it, they were never going to buy it in the first place, or would've refunded it.
There are some games you can only play thanks to piracy, otherwise they'd be lost to time or console exclusivity or servers being shut down. In the age of games as a service, there are so many games we'll lose permanently.
The fact that so many new games are live services that can't be preserved is why I dropped out of everything except emulation. If it's being made today and it's REALLY worth playing, it'll still be here in a few years when I'm ready to play it.
probably some woke virtue signalling shit then if you're afraid of the blowback. motherfackin bastahd bhen ki choot. i'm going to bed anyway. have a good night sir
With the track record a shit ton of companies have with preserving the source code and original assets of their games, I wouldnt be surprised if some nintendo games would be lost to time if piracy didnt exsist.
>Pirate game 1 million times >Company loses bajillions of dollars and goes bankrupt >Buy the company >Delete all my pirated copies >Company is worth gorillions now
Problem?
You now remember the leaked study which proves piracy has no real impact on sales.
You now remember different government bodies burying it because it proved them and their retarded laws wrong.
>Justify it
Games that are insanely rare with inflated costs, games that have had their servers shut down and fans start it back up, abandonware, and if the game is on a console that is hard/expensive to get your hands on.
but more importantly, I don't need to justify anything, I will download SP games for free and I will buy them if/when they add QoL stuff (like Steam Workshop) but only on sale.
Reminder that the "piracy" moniker was applied as a deliberate attempt to demonize it (which backfired because people like pirates).
Any time you agree to calling it "piracy" in an ethical debate you are indulging a misguided propaganda campaign.
Call it "unauthorized file sharing" and watch people's eyes glaze over as they lose all interest in the topic.
>Justify video game piracy
If I pirate a game and end up enjoying it a lot I will end up also purchasing it if the price feels worth it for what I experienced. If the price is too much , I will wait for a sale and then purchase it. Doesnt matter if I already pirated and beat it, I will still support it as soon as the price actually matches the quality of the game. Some games are so good that after pirating them I will end up purchasing multiple copies (different platforms) just to support the developers. If I pirate a game and dont end up enjoying it, or if the game is just shit or whatever, I wont play it for very long and thus I shouldnt have to pay for it in the first place. Video games are one of the only industry where refund policies are fucking god awful. Sure steams 2 hour window is a good stepping stone but its still not nearly enough. Devs can just frontload all of the effort of their games in the first 2 hours and then barely try after that.
Piracy doesn't actually take anything from the developer. They lose 0 money, 0 assets, etc etc. They are not owed money from every person that could potentially buy their game, thats absolutely ridiculous. I will continue using piracy as a way to determine if a game deserves the money they are asking for, I do my best to be as fair as possible and I think other people should do the same. If you want my money then fucking earn it. This means no microtransaction bullshit, no pandering to random groups of people that the game wouldnt normally interest, let the passion and creativity of your team show in the content of the game. Justify your fucking cost to me or fuck off. Make me WANT to pay you.
>if we truly love and believe in games
then youd be against microtransactions, paid DLC being obviously sliced out of the game proper, GaaS bullshit, monthly fees for "access" to games you paid full price for, paid exclusivity creating false scarcity. and a number of other shit.
but no >lemme just defend the attack on corpos profits and only the corpos profits
it doesn't hurt when you yourself don't share it. But by helping spread it, you ultimately pay the price of the consequences laid by that sharing (companies get stricter, meaner, more possessive, etc) so be smart and don't make gaming harder than it already fuckin' is to the point we'll definitely be paying far much higher price tags than they already are. Even people who might work in companies might as very well pirate for themselves and be completely transparent, if it actually means making the company detect means and ways to prevent piracy.
>Be Publisher >Push hard for digital games to be the norm >Refuse to consider that you've pumped your dumbass game full of content you don't have perpetual rights to >Be forced to delist game from storefronts due to it using an IP, OST or other content you never actually owned >It ceases to exist forever unless some slav cracked it
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>pirate game >play game >tell others about game
or >don't pirate game >don't bother buying it >forget about its existence
I wonder what does more harm in this case
yeah, on the other side of the spectrum, if you DO pirate and play for instance a VERY GOOD game, word of mouth is still technically helping the game sell. If the game has replayability or for example, dependent on something crucial like online to get most of its fun, purchasing it is still worth it, still about a 40 to 50% chance of a pirate actually purchasing it.
>I have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand, I’m concerned that the rampant downloading of my copyright-protected material over the Internet is severely eating into my album sales and having a decidedly adverse effect on my career. On the other hand, I can get all the Metallica songs I want for FREE! WOW! >"Weird Al" Yankovic
Because piracy is good. >t. EU >For games, the estimated effect of illegal online transactions on sales is positive because only free games are more likely displaced by online copyright infringements than not. The overall estimate is 24 extra legal transactions (including free games) for every 100 online copyright infringements, with an error margin of 45 per cent (two times the standard error). >The positive effect of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by players getting hooked and then paying to play the game with extra bonuses or at extra levels.
>YOU CAN'T JUST COPY AND PASTE THIS INFINITELY REPLICABLE SOFTWARE WITHOUT PAYING >B-BECAUSE... YOU JUST CAN'T OK!?
Fuck artificial scarcity, copyright is the most gnomish concept ever conceived.
cause marketing lies and bad reviews are suppressed which means I have no idea whether a game is good until i play it. Rather than gambling my money on the chances of a game being good, I stick with the sure thing and pirate it.
Digital piracy really is communism. Everyone gets what they need (free games, movies, music) and gives what they can (uploading more free stuff so other people can download it). Awesome.
thats for sure, but it definitely has something else. why does the 0.1% of pirates upload content while the vast majority only leeches? not only that, only around 20 percent (if even) of pirates keep seeding after leeching, while the rest just remove it from their client. why do they do it when there is no reward? crackers get recognition, but seeders dont get anything, they usually get made fun of in some forums. the pirate community is definitely worthy of an academic study
Most people using torrents have no idea how they work or what seeding is. And out of those who do, there's a subset of people who don't seed because they're afraid of getting letters from their ISP. In some countries it's even illegal.
that only answers why people DONT seed, my question never mentioned them, it only mentioned the people that actually contribute to the chain, the people that actually matter in it. why do they do it? if not on a Pt they have no incentive to do so. they wont be rewarded, they wont be recognized. they'll only waste bandwidth while putting themselves at risk
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because they like the thing and what more people to see the thing, or because they like sharing things because some people are nice.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
then why dont they share it on private communities? doing it in public trackers only puts a timer on the life expectancy of the files, private trackers have more quality releases while also ensuring a long life of the release, assuming there is enough interest in the release to begin with
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I used to be on several private trackers and gave up on them because of elitism and circlejerking. I'd rather share with everyone.
Indeed, it's as if people would willingly do labor for more than just monetary reward. Perhaps we could have a society where people aren't coerced to work to survive.
i dont think anyone would like to do the actual hard jobs from the goodness of their hearts. heres what would happen in the ideal communist world: 70% slack off, 20% do really simple jobs and 10% do whatever they can to survive themselves
I used to be on several private trackers and gave up on them because of elitism and circlejerking. I'd rather share with everyone.
i am the contrary, i used to be quite active in public trackers, then i found out about private trackers and now i only use publics for the actual hard stuff to find, and those torrents have a maximum ratio of 5
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> the ideal communist world
If it was ideal, that "20%" would be able to sustain the remaining 80%. That's why it's important to increase productivity under capitalism or socialism first. Although I think the actual answer I've heard from communists is that a lot more people would work for their local communities than one would think. After all, everyone cleans their house and cooks their family's meals, and often you see people volunteer to clean their building, their street or their parks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
communities only work when they are homogeneous though, wonder why no one in the city gives a fuck about anyone else outside their family tree? funnily enough, communists (or whatever the fuck socialists are larping as now) are breaking communities through immigration. i also wonder why that 20% would do any other work that isnt fun for them; no, cultivating food isnt fun work. working in a factory isnt fun. ive had to do it, and i wouldnt go back there
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Immigration is only necessary under capitalism, where you need money to survive and where some jobs still keep you under poverty. Remove money and the exploitative nature of the modern global economy and only after will you have your ethnostate.
Just kidding, climate changes are making half of the world inhospitable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Horseshit, mismanagement of needs will still drive people to places that are better managed, even if the entire globe was communist.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which is solved by improving management. Whereas capitalism does it by design.
Plus, if immigration is inevitable, why complain about it? Even if you do the nazi dream of genociding/enslaving all other ethnicities, different cultures will eventually splinter off and immigration will start anew.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>improving management >communism
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
without money no one has any incentive to do any kind of work. under communism we wouldnt have computers (because no one would manufacture them), we wouldnt have any kind of modern commodities, and we wouldnt have an army, leaving us wide open to our enemies. i'd write more but its literally 3am and i am already falling asleep.
tldr. no money, no reason to do any work i dont want to do
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're late to the conversation, the premise is that people don't always work for money (open source software being a prime example), and with enough productivity, small amounts of labour would sustain people's livelihoods.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>open source software being a prime example
Correct, open source software is a prime example of how people working with little to no incentive (ignoring the massive amount of open source software written by people taking donations and/or padding their resume as well as companies using open source stuff to raise PR/push standards/sell a service) do not produce a sustainable product that measures up to proprietary production. And that's with white collar labor that can be done in one's spare time instead of the constant physical labor inherently necessary to sustain larger populations across large geographic areas.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>everyone cleans their house and cooks their family's meals
lol
lmao
That's alright then! less overhead costs for the composer's mean they get more of a profit from your purchases then say getting a digital download of said soundtrack with a game. I like sites like Bandcamp more because of that feature
Lenin didn't invent anti-capitalism. Plus, before copyright, people just copied whatever they felt like it with no repercussions. When the printing press started being used, there was no copyright, so there was an immediate explosion of printed books and literacy.
is Ganker the only board that discourages piracy, at least to some extent? in every other board, anons share where to get or watch shit for free but here a lot of anons think you're literally satan for pirating games
>love and believe in games
honestly hate that i kind of agree with the "gamers are fucking gay" mindset. being a gamer and taking pride in literally just playing games is fucking lame as fuck. i understand hobbies, i understand interests, but people who make their entire lives surround a single thing, especially when that thing is already kind of lame, are fucking losers
i say this as someone who really enjoys video games for what they are, but to pretend that getting a game for free is some affront to the industry at large when most of the time that game is a buggy PoS that isn't nearly as interesting as the hype leading up to it was. all for paying for a game when it's worth it. all for pirating literally everything to determine what is worth buying. also completely open to the idea that most fucking people who pirate simply can't afford video games and just realize that taking shit for free that literally hurts no one, hurts fucking no one.
Because the left has been totally ideologically captured by the very "capitalists" they hate.
It's the reason they're so distracted with chuds and nogs, rather than actually doing anything productive.
Piracy is bad, it does damage the industry, and people should get rewarded for you consuming their work. That said, I pirate all games and don't care for the moral consequences.
Video game companies use deceptive marketing so the only way to know if a game is good is to play it. Game companies also don't put out demos, so the only way to play it without paying is piracy.
Anon, you know there's a difference between "If it's not worth your money, why is it worth your time?" and "If it's worth your time, it's worth your money", right?
One is saying give neither, the other is saying give both. By playing "slop" you are the one being the consoomer. I don't play slop, I don't play ESG enriched games. How am I the corpo dick sucker here?
Although you're a gay for using the word slop to describe dog shit games, you have probably the best point in the entire thread, and it's fucking mind-blowing how many people pirate games so they don't miss out on their FOTM garbage.
>Although you're a gay for using the word slop to describe dog shit games
I'll point out I only did that because one of the two anons I responded to did it. It's in quotes because I'm quoting them, they are in their own words playing slop.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fair I did not read their posts very carefully, that anon is a fucking moron.
>pirate as a trial and buy games if I like them >am able to effectively vote with my wallet by supporting games I want more of >have to play blindly or hope the game doesn't drop of in quality after the arbitrary 2h period >half my "votes" go to games I'm indifferent to or thought were an okay way of passing a bit of time rather than the ones I want to see more of
Piracy is still a net win in this scenario
I buy games I'm interested in when they're current and freely available, but I will pirate old games over venturing into the retro/collector's market every single time. I have no respect for someone who hoards games for investment's sake.
>Piracy rips off massive corps' work (already paid) >Piracy damages the industry (Good) >Piracy lets people think they shouldn't be fucked in the ass by pigs in tophats (Keyed)
A full price game is half my salary, you bet your ass I'm pirating this shit.
If I have to live in a shitty and barely have food I can at least pirate some games kek
Consider games like F-Zero GX or Donkey Kong 64. There is literally no way to purchase those games in such a way that the developers or publishers can be compensated. It's literally impossible to purchase them outside of Ebay or flea markets, which involves money being given to some third party merchant who was never involved in the creation of the game. In this case piracy is absolutely justified, no one is harmed financially, and it is 100% objectively morally neutral.
Consider pirating Ubisoft games. Who tf gives a shit about Ubisoft lol? Do whatever you want
Pirating an indie game from a small studio who didn't even bother implementing DRM is pretty shitty, but if you're the kind of person who is going to pirate a 15 dollar game you probably would never have bought it anyway.
Although you're a gay for using the word slop to describe dog shit games, you have probably the best point in the entire thread, and it's fucking mind-blowing how many people pirate games so they don't miss out on their FOTM garbage.
This brings up a good point: there's no point in pirating new games. Take BG3 >https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Patch_notes they're not even finished with the game >they're going to add in a bunch of DLC >It's 100 gigs (compressed I might add. It's probably 150 or something uncompressed. My games folder is 700 gigs, and if you remove teh three post-2015 games, it's really 580 gigs for 200+ games. >this doesn't have DLC, so you're going to have to wait on that. So either you A) wait for a couple of years to get GOTY, with either partial or no mod support, or B) get it now, then get each DLC like a patch >require you to upgrade your computer, so the whole point of piracy, to save money, is moot. What's the point of saving 60 bucks if you spent 1K on buying the parts, or even just 300 on a graphics card (especially if you have nothing else to do with your computer besides gaming) >discussion is retarded shitflinging and game looks to be crap anyways, judging from marketing and let's plays
I have all the infinity engine games, original release, with their manuals and a wide screen patch, for 10 gigs. Even if newer games are better (which, they're 90% of the time, not) I still have superb value over cost. I can play hundreds of games across thousands of genres, and the only thing I would need is a guide telling me which to play. Meanwhile, if you bought your games on steam, you have to crack them yourselves to not have to use the steam launcher, and some won't even let you do that! >inb4 sour grapes
Here come up with a better argument
>making players think games should be free
Epic: TAKE ALL THE FREE GAMES!
Gog: TAKE THESE OCCASIONAL FREE GAMES
All top most popular games: FREE TO PLAY!
PS+: FREE GAMES WITH SUBSCRIPTION!
Gamepass: FREE GAMES WITH SUBSCRIPTION!
The message being sent by the major players in the industry is this: video games are disposable, throw-away toys, and we are all expected to play the hundreds of free games given away every year across all platforms with all of our free time.
But piracy is sending the wrong message? Give me a break.
If I could clone food, say buy a burger from McDonald's, then multiply it and feed a bunch of hungry people, would you call that a bad thing? Would you call it evil? Should it be illegal? McDonald's would have made more money if those people were forced to pay them, so I am "stealing" from them, according to your logic. However, they are not real customers, they are only potential customers. If the burgers weren't free, would they pay for them? You don't know that.
If people can get something for free and, thus, you can no longer make money off of it, that's not my problem. The free market has determined that your business is simply not profitable. If people actually cared, if they actually wanted you to keep working and making things for them, then they would pay you. A lot of creators realized this a long time and started relying on websites like Patreon where the people who actually give a shit about them staying in business pay them to do so; meanwhile, other people can get (some of) their work for free, but they're not real customers anyway, if they stopped making content they'd simply look elsewhere, they don't care. If you're an artist, or something close to it, then you should be happy that people like your work and that your voice has gotten out to the world, regardless of how much money you make. Sure, you need to make money to live, but it's not up to you to decide what your work is worth. That is up to the customer.
So, if you can't support yourself doing a job because people aren't paying you what you need to live, that's because your job isn't worth doing. Sorry. Either improve or go get a real job.
>Onerous DRM that just makes trouble for legit users. >A game having a demo is rare nowadays. >Aids archival efforts, otherwise games just become lost when the developer/publisher stops supporting them.
>I guess I can shell out the $88 Canadian fun bucks for- >Oh it'll be another $19 for the DLC- >Oh there's 4 DLC packs >Oh I have to make an account with [publisher] to play what I just bought >Oh and there's loot boxes >Oh and a battle pass? Isn't this just a subscript- >Oh hey it's free on piracy site cool
Based, you Slavs/East Europeans are all right. You guys are >classic Falloutfags, I enjoy Atom RPG, Underrail and other slav games a lot >actually believe in the value of sharing is caring on the internet >have decent gaming taste compared to English speaking countries
Without you guys the internet would suck so much more.
I thought ATOM was alright, but the expansion, Trudograd or whatever, though it obviously suffered from a much smaller scope, otherwise I thought it was excellent. A solid 9/10 if you go in expecting half the length of a full game.
I had Morrowind, Oblivion, Arcanum, Dragons Dogma, Crusader Kings 2/3, Deus Ex, New Vegas and i think those were all.
I wanted to get Baldurs Gate 1 but i guess i will be pirating that one
>Crusader Kings 2/3 >RPGs
Anyways if he is a slav he's likely to play all those games/have them on his own account. Still nice selection, I will say yes, they're cool games (except CK games, I never played)
Anyways I recommend if you like hate developers making changes to a game, to get the original version. BG1 Enhanced is just BG2 with BG1's module, and that causes some changes that hurt the game. And I don't mean just companions, I mean https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/106070/what-are-the-differences-between-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-and-the-classic.
If you don't want to, that's fine, but I just wanna notify you that even getting those BG1 Enhanced fix mods is a bandaid solution.
Anyways, try out some other D&D RPGs. Dark Lands: Shattered Suns, Knights of Chalice 1/2 and Eye of the Beholder are good times.
I pirated mount and blade warband, brigador, the complete sims 2, 3 and 4, and only bought the first two games. Why? Because I hate EA and I wanted to support smaller devs that actually made games that ended up being worth my time.
I still have the first one on burned discs my cousin gave me like a decade or more ago. Just gotta dig up my disc reader in my closet. Also my fucking captcha >h4x 2hx
Easy, with the ever increasing cost that comes associated with developing games more and more of that cost would be shouldered by the consumer, the cost overall brings quality of a product down. When you have a cost involved in refining your product said product get less of that care that comes with assembling that product, cheap materials already used processes (in the case of Bethesda) to the point where the games released will be reskins of older games cause the production costs involved with that method is far cheaper.
At this point, the product loses its value, meaning; If it were made well I'd be happy to pay for it, of it was different then previous entries you'd want to continue the ongoing development of newer, better titles. You pay 100% for 100% given. But when intelligence has a customer is betrayed then it's time to pirate
You fuckers are infinitely more mentally ill than any chud.
You're mindless conspiracy theorist sheeple fighting a bullshit culture war made up by grifters that profit from pissing people off.
You don't even realize that there are SJWs on both sides, and you're a complete and total servant for conservative SJWs.
Stop wasting your life with this shit and go do something productive, retard.
That graph does have a point. It says very clearly what I hate about games. I mean, I like my flat breasted tits and the female desexualization about aliens is dumb cause I want aliens to be aliens, but overall it does point out the libtard cancer in modern games very well.
The REAL issue is that anon is playing these games, at all. Why pirate a game with this shit in it? It's not going to be good, it's going to be, by his omission, a shitty game. So why play it?
You are not entitled to my money.
I will keep pirating stuff.
You will never be a woman.
I am immune to grifters because I don't buy anything from large corporations.
Why pirate shit games? Like come on bro, these games are shit. The point of the graph is that you won't play them, not that you'll just pirate them. What value does, for example, Forspoken has? Or Last of Us 2? or GOW? Those games are well known to hit a lot of the points of the graph, why would you play them if they're shit?
>negative consumption mindset
I honestly find that I'm more forgiving of a game with bad aspects if I pirated it. Like if a game sucks and I paid for it, I'm gonna let people know, but if a game is just mediocre but fun at times and I didn't pay a dime, I'm recommending it to people.
Purchase fallacy, pirates were never going to buy your game even if they couldn't pirate it, they'd just not play it flat out. You're not losing sales because these people were never going to give you money one way or another. Pirates aren't bound by your logic and kvetching skills.
I'm poor
Me pirating something I couldn't afford does no harm
But it makes my life that little bit more bearable
Maybe it's "wrong", but I'm going to continue until I'm altogether prevented from doing so
And when that happens I'm not going to start buying games, just stop playing them
I am trusted with a muzzle and enfranchised with a clog; therefore I have decreed not to sing in my cage.
If I had my mouth, I would bite; if I had my liberty, I would do my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and seek not to alter me.
Because unlike physical theft piracy creates duplicates of the game that do not prevent original copies from being sold. At any time someone who decided to pirate a game can choose to purchase an official copy if they enjoyed the game enough to do so. Additionally many games are no longer sold in an official capacity, leaving piracy the only way to play them. And in the case where people simply pirate to not spend money, there was never going to be a situation in which they'd pay for the game. Even then a business can benefit due to there being more people talking about the game creating free PR they wouldn't have otherwise.
Make games that people want to buy and release them in an offline format that allows people to keep their games forever. Why would I pay for something that I won't be able to access at an arbitrary point in the future? I can pirate a game and will have it forever.
Quick take, cutting the bullshit.
- Piracy ain't killing any businesses any time soon, because only broke fags and cheapskates pirate.
- Sucking up to corporations going "bu-but the economy!!!11" is a classic cuckhold move.
- The artists, programmers and other people who actually worked on the game DON'T GET THE CASH. Most of it goes to overpriced proprietary software licenses and upper management.
- If regular consumers would rather risk data theft and bitcoin mining viruses to avoid shelling out 3 hours of mcdonalds wage for your product, your work is shit. No questioning it.
Make a game that's worth the money you're asking for, and I'll buy it. I pirated Armored Core 6, liked what I experienced after a few hours, and happily paid the $60 for the game on Steam. It's amazing how this simple concept eludes most developers and publishers today. They think that they're entitled to an income just because they shit something out, and that honest demographic research/focus-testing is NOT mandatory when it comes to succeeding with the mass market.
Remember when they commissioned a study to prove that piracy harms sales, and the study said it's actually the complete opposite, so they buried the study?
without piracy >2x players own 1x cake >creators get paid for 1x cake
with piracy >2x players own 2x cakes >creators still get paid for 1x cake
it's literally just "creators" (90% of who are writers and artists who couldn't hack actual writing and art and gave up, but aren't passionate about vidya in itself) throwing a tantrum because poor people are spending the same pool of money but playing more games.
>Justify video game piracy, Ganker
Allow me to paint two scenarios for you:
> Scenario 1 > Art Marketplace: $70 Painting for Sale > You can see the piece of art in its entirety > You know exactly what you're getting > Person selling the art is being honest
> Scenario 2 > Art Marketplace: $70 Videogame 4 sale > You can't see the piece of art in its entirely > You don't know exactly what you're getting > Person selling the art is hyping the absolute fuck out of the game and showing you carefully selected footage from the game > Person selling the art also has a history of deceiving buyers, lying to customers about the quality of the game.
With games, music, and movies, it's scenario 2. The consumer has no idea what it is they are actually buying -- which wouldn't be a problem if each of these marketplaces weren't full of people selling snake oil.
If there's a 50/50 chance I could be buying snake oil, using piracy as a means of "sampling the goods" isn't immoral. Developers started frontloading all the good content into demos and turned them into something that doesn't actually represent a game. Then they made it even worse when they removed demos altogether. And they they outdid themselves by stuffing the first 2h of the game with endless cutscenes so you can't refund fast enough before knowing what the game is like.
In this type of situation, piracy is morally the right way to sample games.
>ask that anon saying he's gonna pirate games that he hates why if they're shit >ghost >is able to respond with bait to others
I hate being a 4chantard who play games and actually wants to hear other people's viewpoints. This place breeds hatred of the opposition with it's soundbites and repeated converstations, from trolling and ignorance. This reminds me of text adventure games >say "open the door" >command "say" not found >talk "open the door" >command "open" not found >scream "open the door" >command "open" not found
I don't know why I even post here, I get more enjoyment arguing with myself
NTA, but I don't pirate games I don't want to play for moral reasons. The last game I pirated was AC6, but that was only until I got my paycheque and bought it.
A friend of mine pirates the latest pokemon/Fire Emblem games despite having nothing but venom towards them. It's the picture of the otter eating a watermelon and hating it. I have no idea why he does it.
>Justify video game piracy
I want to play Amagami in english.
I have no option to purchase an english copy of Amagami.
The PS2 game is no longer being produced. The PSP game is no longer being produced. And even if they were, they are only in japanese, not english.
There is a fan-translation of Amagami, but it's not something you can apply to a PS2 disc or a PSP disc. Even if you had some sort of laser printer, you couldn't burn the translation into the disc. So even owning a copy of the game means nothing.
The only way to get a translated copy of Amagami is to get a pirated copy of Amagami and then apply the translation to the files.
Now, justify what a multibillion dollar corporation can just sit on intellectual property and refuse to sell it to people, then complain about how they are being "stolen" from.
NOOOOOOOOO U HAVE TO BUY A PHYSICAL COPY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY DEGRADE TO THE POINT OF COMPLETE NONFUNCTIONALITY, AND U HAVE TO PAY A RESELLER FOR IT SO THAT NO MONEY GOES TO THE ORIGINAL COMPANY
Just follow the Patreon model.
Ask a base monthly price, ramp up cost in tiers.
Release whatever content you made on a short schedule (weeks or months) and carefully adapt to feedback. Maybe they want more anime tiddies, maybe they think the robot with a pea shooter is too OP, fix it next episode.
Surprise, surprise, Enterprise has been doing it before Patreon even was a thing, it's called a SCRUM lifecycle and Agile development!
Oh, and **keep a source-code tarball online.** At the point you release the next episode, your work has already been paid for, and modders will just port it over to smartwatches, internet-connected toasters, pregnancy tests, whatever, for free! that's right, your name and your game will spread accross the universe and you won't have to rewrite a single line by yourself!
>creators hard work
this is already the biggest mistake. starfield was not made through hard work as it looks like a shitty open-world game from 2013 with dogshit nothing content. its lazy and sucks so i feel obligated to pirate it so that i can hasten the bankruptcy of bethesda ASAP. its also a nice way to demo games that don't have demos
new visuals must have taken some work but you can clearly tell the overall design decision there was "let's reuse the skyrim codebase with sci-fi alien planet assets", from the physics all the way to how things are laid out accross the world map.
It's ironic that instead of killing the industry, piracy has saved it by preserving video games digitally, while even big devs and publishers like Nintendo and Rockstar have lost their source code for older games and have tried to quietly sell pirated versions instead.
Eat the rich only ever means literally murdering rich people. Doing things to hurt their wallet is irrelevant to them if you let them live. So your greentext is max invalid. have a nice day now.
software, all software, should be free
trading physical currency for electrons is a scam. there is no scarcity. you can have an unlimited number of copies of a file. for the past 30 years corps have been imposing scarcity where it doesn't exist because it fucking prints money for them. you work on a product for ~5 years which you can then sell an infinite amount of, indefinitely.
The value of digital goods comes from the practical applications or the entertainment they provide. You pay for those qualities, not the ones and zeroes themselves.
Sure: the EU and other organizations have done studies and found it basically doesn't affect sales if your game is good
https://felixreda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
The basic gist is that the type of person to pirate a game is not the type of person to pay for it in the first place. Either because they don't have the cash or they just don't spend money on things in general.
And the presence of an option to pirate games is only used if its easier than buying itself (see: Limewire, Napster, etc).
People bitch about Streaming music and TV shows but they were the answer to people pirating music and movies and shows because the infrastructure around that was actually more robust than normal methods of buying media.
In gaming, piracy hasn't really been a major detriment to game sales since the PS1 days where you can literally just rip and burn games entire to normal CD-ROMs.
These days, buying games online is so easy that if you have the money and aren't philosophically against paying for things, you buy games. And the type of person to not buy a game in the first place because it's too expensive is not going to hurt sales if they pirate it because there's no theoretical sale being lost in the first place.
The idea that piracy affects game sales is the same idea that Lets Plays and Twitch Streams will negatively affect game sales because people are getting all the 'content' visually without paying for the game
Receiving goods and/or services without compensating the creator or provider of said good/service is fundamentally fucked, as civilized societies are built upon reciprocation. Even before we had money, we traded things.
dont care,Im not gonna pay for goyslop thats not even fun,modern games can fuck off.
fuck the companies not selling old games but bitching about piracy of those older games.
and fuck OP for being a fag
maybe if someone actually made something worth buying. I think I've bought 2 games this year, and only 1 of them was new. And it wasn't a AAA game either.
Judging by yourself is important.
And being divorced from any sunk cost feelings while playing the game allows you to actually be more objective and drop that shit without hesitation.
Yeah, you want to check them out but are not willing to pay the retarded high price they ask for the piece of shit they are presenting to you.
I constantly pirate games and 90% of the time I uninstall and delete within an hour due to how shit they are.
Every game costs $80+, whether it's the same thing (Cod, Ass creed, totk), or straight up unplayabe (cyberpunk), or games that run perfectly fine. I would think twice about piracy if yearly release games were in the 20-40 dollar range, depending on the publisher
Supply and Demand.
I don't have to.
bump
This. I want games, I get games. Simple as that.
Ironically, we had a brief period where people were more interested in buying games than pirating them. But then Humble Bundle fucked up a good thing, businesses decided that releasing games on Steam with a $100+ price tag was fine, and we're back to where we were.
It's funny because, at no point, does this atate that creators are harmed by piracy. At no point does it say developers make less money. It just says "Don't let people have free games, they won't buy expensive ones anymore!" as if that's a terrible thing.
seep beep, thread should have just ended right here.
thread ends here
it makes my dick hard
Poor people deserve some joy in their lives as well, despite what rich people think.
>I’m just le based poor person trying my best, raging against the machine, man. Those fucking rich cunts hate me but I’m gonna have fun anyway, just to spite them. Peace.
Why are you like this
Because he's a based poor person trying his best?
shut up Todd, your game is shit
You’re the one who typed all that, why are YOU like this?
be cause he is le based poor person trying his best, raging against the machine. fucking leftists and their hatred towards people with less resources, if game studios really were allies, they'd distribute their games for free
Poor people are more blessed
the same reason people are "socialists" who hate capitalism but if you question them on immigration they say "we need them to prop up our GDP"
The socialist justification for immigration is that people should be free to go where they please.
nobody can ever seriously used the justification of "there shouldn't be borders" because it gets laughed out of any conversation seriously considering statecraft. the only, only justification for immigration ever brought forward is the money. from the people who hate how "capitalism treats people." curiouser and curiouser...
Game is so bad I want them to make negative dollars off of it
>NEGATIVE CONSUMPTION MINDSET
>FREE
thats not negative consumption though
also flash games were free and great
fucking ten year old games that only exist for PS3 or Playstation Now, please put your shit on steam or at least sell the .iso themselves so i can emulate it in peace.
i don't want to buy a two decade old console to play three or four games.
>PS3 games are considered to be old and emulated
Take me back when my friends were gay COD players on PS3, not PS4
Justification is for philosophers and trials. I need not explain my motives, especially in a hostile/confrontational context.
>Justify video game piracy
Your pic already does it for me
i don't support companies promoting mental illness
cant even buy the only game im interested in playing, warcraft 3
and the sc2 campaign is still so expensive, they are fucking trolling us
What popular games ended up with their devs homeless because of le heckin' piracy?
>It's not theft, it's just counterfeiting
yes, stop bootlicking the government, counterfeit money is fair
If the feds can print money out of thin air so their criminal friends get rich, so can anyone else.
printing money devalues the dollar, just like making terrible games or media devalues the medium they are produced for
The dollar is backed by american military might and decades of corruption. It doesn't matter how much they print it will never stop being valued.
valued
lrn2grammar
dollar is dollar. Its value remains strong because when the govt prints a shitload of it, the entire planet goes nuts and starts overworking to keep up and earn more. If they don't, other countries they have by the balls with crash on grains, petrol, gas and pretty much anything else sold overseas for that sweet sweet dough
it isn't counterfeiting either.
you're not making a 'false' copy that imitates the real thing, you're making a copy that functions (ideally) identically to the original.
piracy is piracy, it isn't theft or counterfeiting even if it may superficially resemble them
game preservation
>we realized piracy si never the way forward
>we
Fuck you mean we?
your mum xD
"we" is a subtle manipulation tactic to suggest you think what they think
I like free things.
I don’t want to support shitty corporate politics
More damaging than piracy, is ftp with microtransactions.
Pirate before buy for the most part. Demos were a huge thing pre-7th gen consoles. They were a massive part of early online systems like PSN/XBL on the PS3/360 but when devs dropped demons that were shit, it tanked their sales so they stopped putting them out. Rental options are dead and you're a fucking retard if you trust game journalist shills or Ganker for recommendations.
I don't care that it's illegal/immoral/whatever. Additionally, if I pirate a game that I like and finish, it allows me to wait for it to drop to a price point I'm more comfortable or willing to pay.
I do miss demo disks, but I went through a solid year of using Gamefly and played through a ton of games with it. This was maybe 6-7 years ago so maybe they suck now but at the time it was definitely worth. It's not as good as simply downloading a demo but I'd give it a look if you're serious about renting before buying (or just renting if its a single player game you don't think you'll replay).
And if you're wondering, I only recall a single instance where I got a copy of a game that didn't work. I think I just filed a support and they sent out a replacement. Pretty painless process.
That's good to hear Gamefly is/was worth it. I'm mainly a PC gamer these days so my options are more limited. It's more about convenience tbh though. If I could run down to a rental place or Redbox or whatever to grab and try something that'd be cool. Ultimately, and I'm not trying to justify it or anything, piracy just give consumers a little bit of power back against devs/publishers that have slowly taken more and more steps to produce anti-consumerist products and policies (FTP/PTW, live service shit, etc).
It's free
>piracy rips off creators hard work without compensation
it doesn't
>it damages the industry
it doesn't
>lets gamers believe games should be free
it doesn't
here, I debunked it
rips off creators hard work without compensation
>it doesn't
It does
>>it damages the industry
>it doesn't
It does
>>lets gamers believe games should be free
>it doesn't
It does
>here, I debunked it
you didn't
See? You're wrong.
prove your statements
rips off creators hard work without compensation
>>it doesn't
>It does
It doesn't
>>>it damages the industry
>>it doesn't
>It does
It doesn't
>>>lets gamers believe games should be free
>>it doesn't
>It does
It doesn't
>>here, I debunked it
>you didn't
he did
>
it doesn't
>it damages the industry
it doesn't
>lets gamers believe games should be free
it doesn't
here, I debunked it #
rips off creators hard work without compensation
>>it doesn't
>It does
>>>it damages the industry
>>it doesn't
>It does
>>>lets gamers believe games should be free
>>it doesn't
>It does
>>here, I debunked it
>you didn't
>See? You're wrong
>lets gamers believe games should be free
Every game not by AAA gets retards on steam forums asking if it will be free.
You screech and bawl your eyes out even if we buy the game legally, because that's not enough for you. You want to control the product down to even the time I'm allowed to enjoy it.
>you can't play this singleplayer game offline because... YOU JUST CAN'T!
Look, personally a good game deserves to be compensated with money. But you have no right trying to turn a product into a service. Once you've been compensated, you no longer get a say in the matter. I bought Super Metroid, so I will make copies of it. Hundreds of copies. Then they'll be endlessly romhacked and modded. Then I'll modify my consoles to play them, even if they're not nintendo approved. That's right, gonna enjoy super metroid on the Vita and the steam deck.
Why do you take issue with this? You got paid already. Shut up and be happy that you got your money.
I just don't give a shit, cry about it
>i don't want to pay for a game
>i pirate it
done
I want to play games.
I don't want to pay for games.
I am justified.
We had this conversation a endless amount of times now.
People who pirate shows&games&movies will not buy the thing if they dont have the option to pirate anymore.
All this any pirate shit they do only punishes the loyal buyer instead of the pirate.
You cant know that.
1: making it impossible to pirate hasn't been tried so that kind of pressue on them hasn't existed.
2: the kind of person you describe doesn't exist, IE "i just wont consume entertainment of any kind if I must pay" that level of asceticism has never existed; all religious ascetics have lied about their vows in private.
How do we acheive 1 given the reality of 2? Fairly easily, stop making online games. Stop making games available online, stop making nonphysical games, literally punish with death any individual extrajudicially for uploading A N Y T H I N G. A T. A L L.
piracy ends, the internet dies, good riddance to both.
so then delete and/or police the internet by making it legal for law enforcement to legally hack your computer?
make it illegal for anyone to purchase portable disk space?
it's impossible
also if the devs make their games extremely difficult to pirate, someone will ego crack it any way PLUS it can be part of an economic warefare scheme to have said software cracked to undermine revenue of a competing economic zone
I'm poor and i don't wanna give money to Tencent
t. been pirating since before tencent existed
If a poor person pirates your game, they were never going to buy it in the first place.
If a regular joe pirates your game and doesn't like it, they were never going to buy it in the first place, or would've refunded it.
There are some games you can only play thanks to piracy, otherwise they'd be lost to time or console exclusivity or servers being shut down. In the age of games as a service, there are so many games we'll lose permanently.
The fact that so many new games are live services that can't be preserved is why I dropped out of everything except emulation. If it's being made today and it's REALLY worth playing, it'll still be here in a few years when I'm ready to play it.
Honestly I think it's pretty cool when people pirate my game. It means third worlders can enjoy it too.
whats your game?
t. turd worlder
Sorry buddy don't want to dox myself. Retards on reddit would freak out.
probably some woke virtue signalling shit then if you're afraid of the blowback. motherfackin bastahd bhen ki choot. i'm going to bed anyway. have a good night sir
Sorry to disappoint, they're just so easy to use.
There's a lot of plausible deniability here
For instance, I can say my game is Minecraft and nobody will believe Notch posted this
shutup notch
games, like all art, should be made out of love, not a need to survive, game development is inherently parasitic without philanthropy
pirate until all the games are indie devs who do it as a hobby and triple A games are genuine passion projects with no monetary gain
As a game developer, I want as many people as possible to pirate my game, and then tell all their friends to pirate it.
what happens if i pirate a game i made
don't, it makes mustard gas
It drives up demand for the things that actually matter: emulation and cracking game DRM.
Piracy is a necessary evil, because the alternative is that 90% of games from 15+ years ago becoming lost.
>Go back in time
>Eliminate piracy
>Nintendo can no longer sell their 15+ year old games
With the track record a shit ton of companies have with preserving the source code and original assets of their games, I wouldnt be surprised if some nintendo games would be lost to time if piracy didnt exsist.
this, rockstar was caught selling pirated copies of gta that didnt even work (because they are stupider than the pirate that cracked it)
>Pirate game 1 million times
>Company loses bajillions of dollars and goes bankrupt
>Buy the company
>Delete all my pirated copies
>Company is worth gorillions now
Problem?
You now remember the leaked study which proves piracy has no real impact on sales.
You now remember different government bodies burying it because it proved them and their retarded laws wrong.
Except it does have an impact on sales, it hurts big blockbuster sales but doesn't affect smaller title sales.
>Justify it
Games that are insanely rare with inflated costs, games that have had their servers shut down and fans start it back up, abandonware, and if the game is on a console that is hard/expensive to get your hands on.
but more importantly, I don't need to justify anything, I will download SP games for free and I will buy them if/when they add QoL stuff (like Steam Workshop) but only on sale.
I'd be down to buy games if I could access older versions of games I've bought without jumping through hoops
Jesus did it
Reminder that the "piracy" moniker was applied as a deliberate attempt to demonize it (which backfired because people like pirates).
Any time you agree to calling it "piracy" in an ethical debate you are indulging a misguided propaganda campaign.
Call it "unauthorized file sharing" and watch people's eyes glaze over as they lose all interest in the topic.
>Justify video game piracy
If I pirate a game and end up enjoying it a lot I will end up also purchasing it if the price feels worth it for what I experienced. If the price is too much , I will wait for a sale and then purchase it. Doesnt matter if I already pirated and beat it, I will still support it as soon as the price actually matches the quality of the game. Some games are so good that after pirating them I will end up purchasing multiple copies (different platforms) just to support the developers. If I pirate a game and dont end up enjoying it, or if the game is just shit or whatever, I wont play it for very long and thus I shouldnt have to pay for it in the first place. Video games are one of the only industry where refund policies are fucking god awful. Sure steams 2 hour window is a good stepping stone but its still not nearly enough. Devs can just frontload all of the effort of their games in the first 2 hours and then barely try after that.
Piracy doesn't actually take anything from the developer. They lose 0 money, 0 assets, etc etc. They are not owed money from every person that could potentially buy their game, thats absolutely ridiculous. I will continue using piracy as a way to determine if a game deserves the money they are asking for, I do my best to be as fair as possible and I think other people should do the same. If you want my money then fucking earn it. This means no microtransaction bullshit, no pandering to random groups of people that the game wouldnt normally interest, let the passion and creativity of your team show in the content of the game. Justify your fucking cost to me or fuck off. Make me WANT to pay you.
based pirate chad
Cringe
Why did you reply to yourself. You are just a smuck
>if we truly love and believe in games
then youd be against microtransactions, paid DLC being obviously sliced out of the game proper, GaaS bullshit, monthly fees for "access" to games you paid full price for, paid exclusivity creating false scarcity. and a number of other shit.
but no
>lemme just defend the attack on corpos profits and only the corpos profits
it doesn't hurt when you yourself don't share it. But by helping spread it, you ultimately pay the price of the consequences laid by that sharing (companies get stricter, meaner, more possessive, etc) so be smart and don't make gaming harder than it already fuckin' is to the point we'll definitely be paying far much higher price tags than they already are. Even people who might work in companies might as very well pirate for themselves and be completely transparent, if it actually means making the company detect means and ways to prevent piracy.
Piracy leads to devs wasting resources on antipiracy measures.
>Be Publisher
>Push hard for digital games to be the norm
>Refuse to consider that you've pumped your dumbass game full of content you don't have perpetual rights to
>Be forced to delist game from storefronts due to it using an IP, OST or other content you never actually owned
>It ceases to exist forever unless some slav cracked it
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DA EBIL PIRATES AR KILLIN DA INDWUSTREE :'~~*~~*~~*((
>pirate game
>play game
>tell others about game
or
>don't pirate game
>don't bother buying it
>forget about its existence
I wonder what does more harm in this case
yeah, on the other side of the spectrum, if you DO pirate and play for instance a VERY GOOD game, word of mouth is still technically helping the game sell. If the game has replayability or for example, dependent on something crucial like online to get most of its fun, purchasing it is still worth it, still about a 40 to 50% chance of a pirate actually purchasing it.
>captcha called me g4y
piracy of anything that only exists physically is always justified
piracy of anything where the original creators are no longer able to profit from sales is justified
products no longer being sold are public domain
Simple, I want that all the devs go homeless and starve.
>I have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand, I’m concerned that the rampant downloading of my copyright-protected material over the Internet is severely eating into my album sales and having a decidedly adverse effect on my career. On the other hand, I can get all the Metallica songs I want for FREE! WOW!
>"Weird Al" Yankovic
No.
I don't care about justifying it, I'll just do it anyway.
Game Shops dying is the reason why I pirate games
don't care still pirating
Because piracy is good.
>t. EU
>For games, the estimated effect of illegal online transactions on sales is positive because only free games are more likely displaced by online copyright infringements than not. The overall estimate is 24 extra legal transactions (including free games) for every 100 online copyright infringements, with an error margin of 45 per cent (two times the standard error).
>The positive effect of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by players getting hooked and then paying to play the game with extra bonuses or at extra levels.
But game Should be free. Like buffalo
you're right chief manygames
>YOU CAN'T JUST COPY AND PASTE THIS INFINITELY REPLICABLE SOFTWARE WITHOUT PAYING
>B-BECAUSE... YOU JUST CAN'T OK!?
Fuck artificial scarcity, copyright is the most gnomish concept ever conceived.
cause marketing lies and bad reviews are suppressed which means I have no idea whether a game is good until i play it. Rather than gambling my money on the chances of a game being good, I stick with the sure thing and pirate it.
Anyone who supports piracy is literally a communist
Digital piracy really is communism. Everyone gets what they need (free games, movies, music) and gives what they can (uploading more free stuff so other people can download it). Awesome.
the only case of communism actually working, maybe scholars should take a look into it?
It works because digital goods aren't scarce. They can be endlessly replicated. That doesn't work in real life.
thats for sure, but it definitely has something else. why does the 0.1% of pirates upload content while the vast majority only leeches? not only that, only around 20 percent (if even) of pirates keep seeding after leeching, while the rest just remove it from their client. why do they do it when there is no reward? crackers get recognition, but seeders dont get anything, they usually get made fun of in some forums. the pirate community is definitely worthy of an academic study
Most people using torrents have no idea how they work or what seeding is. And out of those who do, there's a subset of people who don't seed because they're afraid of getting letters from their ISP. In some countries it's even illegal.
that only answers why people DONT seed, my question never mentioned them, it only mentioned the people that actually contribute to the chain, the people that actually matter in it. why do they do it? if not on a Pt they have no incentive to do so. they wont be rewarded, they wont be recognized. they'll only waste bandwidth while putting themselves at risk
Because they like the thing and what more people to see the thing, or because they like sharing things because some people are nice.
then why dont they share it on private communities? doing it in public trackers only puts a timer on the life expectancy of the files, private trackers have more quality releases while also ensuring a long life of the release, assuming there is enough interest in the release to begin with
I used to be on several private trackers and gave up on them because of elitism and circlejerking. I'd rather share with everyone.
Indeed, it's as if people would willingly do labor for more than just monetary reward. Perhaps we could have a society where people aren't coerced to work to survive.
i dont think anyone would like to do the actual hard jobs from the goodness of their hearts. heres what would happen in the ideal communist world: 70% slack off, 20% do really simple jobs and 10% do whatever they can to survive themselves
i am the contrary, i used to be quite active in public trackers, then i found out about private trackers and now i only use publics for the actual hard stuff to find, and those torrents have a maximum ratio of 5
> the ideal communist world
If it was ideal, that "20%" would be able to sustain the remaining 80%. That's why it's important to increase productivity under capitalism or socialism first. Although I think the actual answer I've heard from communists is that a lot more people would work for their local communities than one would think. After all, everyone cleans their house and cooks their family's meals, and often you see people volunteer to clean their building, their street or their parks.
communities only work when they are homogeneous though, wonder why no one in the city gives a fuck about anyone else outside their family tree? funnily enough, communists (or whatever the fuck socialists are larping as now) are breaking communities through immigration. i also wonder why that 20% would do any other work that isnt fun for them; no, cultivating food isnt fun work. working in a factory isnt fun. ive had to do it, and i wouldnt go back there
Immigration is only necessary under capitalism, where you need money to survive and where some jobs still keep you under poverty. Remove money and the exploitative nature of the modern global economy and only after will you have your ethnostate.
Just kidding, climate changes are making half of the world inhospitable.
Horseshit, mismanagement of needs will still drive people to places that are better managed, even if the entire globe was communist.
Which is solved by improving management. Whereas capitalism does it by design.
Plus, if immigration is inevitable, why complain about it? Even if you do the nazi dream of genociding/enslaving all other ethnicities, different cultures will eventually splinter off and immigration will start anew.
>improving management
>communism
without money no one has any incentive to do any kind of work. under communism we wouldnt have computers (because no one would manufacture them), we wouldnt have any kind of modern commodities, and we wouldnt have an army, leaving us wide open to our enemies. i'd write more but its literally 3am and i am already falling asleep.
tldr. no money, no reason to do any work i dont want to do
You're late to the conversation, the premise is that people don't always work for money (open source software being a prime example), and with enough productivity, small amounts of labour would sustain people's livelihoods.
>open source software being a prime example
Correct, open source software is a prime example of how people working with little to no incentive (ignoring the massive amount of open source software written by people taking donations and/or padding their resume as well as companies using open source stuff to raise PR/push standards/sell a service) do not produce a sustainable product that measures up to proprietary production. And that's with white collar labor that can be done in one's spare time instead of the constant physical labor inherently necessary to sustain larger populations across large geographic areas.
>everyone cleans their house and cooks their family's meals
lol
lmao
>he doesn't know the exploit where grown food can make more food
Funny
I buy all my music on Bandcamp
they sell game soundtracks on Bandcamp?
plenty, yeah
depends on the artist(s) and if they want to bother uploading, lots of indie game soundtracks get put up
That's alright then! less overhead costs for the composer's mean they get more of a profit from your purchases then say getting a digital download of said soundtrack with a game. I like sites like Bandcamp more because of that feature
Honestly, I'd rather pirate my music if I already bought the game. Seems silly to pay for MP3s you can already listen to.
classic
i hate politics obsessed mutts so much it's unreal
He's right. Copyright is an uniquely capitalist concept. Piracy is inherently anti-capitalist.
pa-lease, piracy was there long before Lenin
Lenin didn't invent anti-capitalism. Plus, before copyright, people just copied whatever they felt like it with no repercussions. When the printing press started being used, there was no copyright, so there was an immediate explosion of printed books and literacy.
Aren't we on our way to be more communist with the current zeitgeist though? Seems like pirates are just ahead of the curve.
Can't have your cake of wanting communism and ban piracy at the same time.
Communists like piracy
Gameshops don't looks like cardboard box they have more money than me that means they don't need extra money from me
Piracy is just a scapegoat for unsatisfactory game sales. Go read the (suppressed) study on the effects of piracy on sales.
is Ganker the only board that discourages piracy, at least to some extent? in every other board, anons share where to get or watch shit for free but here a lot of anons think you're literally satan for pirating games
no anon, piracy is law, if you dont pirate at least 60% of your games i will go to your home and rape you
that's because Ganker is the shill central for all the major publishers
there's a reason every AAA slop is spammed non-stop here
Pirates aren't lost sales, they're free marketing.
Pirate AAA, buy Indie. Simple as for me. Don't care what anyone else does either.
AAA Studios have gone to shit and deserve bankruptcy
>love and believe in games
honestly hate that i kind of agree with the "gamers are fucking gay" mindset. being a gamer and taking pride in literally just playing games is fucking lame as fuck. i understand hobbies, i understand interests, but people who make their entire lives surround a single thing, especially when that thing is already kind of lame, are fucking losers
i say this as someone who really enjoys video games for what they are, but to pretend that getting a game for free is some affront to the industry at large when most of the time that game is a buggy PoS that isn't nearly as interesting as the hype leading up to it was. all for paying for a game when it's worth it. all for pirating literally everything to determine what is worth buying. also completely open to the idea that most fucking people who pirate simply can't afford video games and just realize that taking shit for free that literally hurts no one, hurts fucking no one.
No. I just do it.
I won't. But I'll do it anyway.
What causes leftoid "anti-capitalist anarchists" to be the most fervent anti-piracy advocates? it makes 0 sense
Rage With The Machine.
They're not. They're just libs.
Because the left has been totally ideologically captured by the very "capitalists" they hate.
It's the reason they're so distracted with chuds and nogs, rather than actually doing anything productive.
Piracy is bad, it does damage the industry, and people should get rewarded for you consuming their work. That said, I pirate all games and don't care for the moral consequences.
Video game companies use deceptive marketing so the only way to know if a game is good is to play it. Game companies also don't put out demos, so the only way to play it without paying is piracy.
There, a completely legitimate case for priacy.
>emulation is evil goy, you will pay $100 + the price of the console for any game not available on current console internet goyslop store
me at the top
scarcity creates value
games and digital media can have infinite copies, therefore they have no value
They put in morons and gays and get a fat EGS check.
They put it on exclusivity and get another fat check.
So I have to put up with shit I don't want to because they got money for it. I had to wait longer for it because they got money for it.
Tell me, why the fuck should I pay? M8, Black Rock and either Epic or Snoy already paid my copy.
Why pay for something I can get for free?
I pirate 100% of anime and kinos but I generally buy vidya on sales and keysites
I’m not paying 70$ for slopfield
If it's not worth your money, why is it worth your time?
Spoken like a true consoomer and corpo dicksucker.
Anon, you know there's a difference between "If it's not worth your money, why is it worth your time?" and "If it's worth your time, it's worth your money", right?
One is saying give neither, the other is saying give both. By playing "slop" you are the one being the consoomer. I don't play slop, I don't play ESG enriched games. How am I the corpo dick sucker here?
That's a lot of words to say CONSOOM
>Don't CONSOOM
>Lol, Consoomer.
>Don't CONSOOOM
>lol, Consoomer.
Although you're a gay for using the word slop to describe dog shit games, you have probably the best point in the entire thread, and it's fucking mind-blowing how many people pirate games so they don't miss out on their FOTM garbage.
>Although you're a gay for using the word slop to describe dog shit games
I'll point out I only did that because one of the two anons I responded to did it. It's in quotes because I'm quoting them, they are in their own words playing slop.
Fair I did not read their posts very carefully, that anon is a fucking moron.
>I am le epic buccaneer!
>uhhh why aren't video game companies making products that appeal to me anymore???
I generally buy video games but I get the same result. Why is that?
>support all the games i enjoy
>devs still fuck up the series for WIDER AUDIENCE
epic
>pirate as a trial and buy games if I like them
>am able to effectively vote with my wallet by supporting games I want more of
>have to play blindly or hope the game doesn't drop of in quality after the arbitrary 2h period
>half my "votes" go to games I'm indifferent to or thought were an okay way of passing a bit of time rather than the ones I want to see more of
Piracy is still a net win in this scenario
>Justify video game piracy
Wowie, free! Yoink!
Why would I pay for something I can get for free?
I've had sex with women
and I pirate
i've never had sex with a woman but i have gotten a few blowjobs and i also pirate
I've had sex with pirate women.
If nintendo release their games on pc i wont pirate them
I make decent money but the future is too uncertain to waste money on anything non essential. i do not care if the industry crashes.
I buy games I'm interested in when they're current and freely available, but I will pirate old games over venturing into the retro/collector's market every single time. I have no respect for someone who hoards games for investment's sake.
I wasn't going to buy it anyway
No.
Fuck you I do what I want.
Rich companies don't need the money.
it feels good
>Piracy rips off massive corps' work (already paid)
>Piracy damages the industry (Good)
>Piracy lets people think they shouldn't be fucked in the ass by pigs in tophats (Keyed)
A full price game is half my salary, you bet your ass I'm pirating this shit.
If I have to live in a shitty and barely have food I can at least pirate some games kek
Piracy is only a problem under capitalism. Open source games are the perfect example of what gaming would be like once the workers lose their chains.
no demos
Video game piracy is bad because I dont know how to do it and I dont want to get viruses or ransomware
Depends on the context.
Consider games like F-Zero GX or Donkey Kong 64. There is literally no way to purchase those games in such a way that the developers or publishers can be compensated. It's literally impossible to purchase them outside of Ebay or flea markets, which involves money being given to some third party merchant who was never involved in the creation of the game. In this case piracy is absolutely justified, no one is harmed financially, and it is 100% objectively morally neutral.
Consider pirating Ubisoft games. Who tf gives a shit about Ubisoft lol? Do whatever you want
Pirating an indie game from a small studio who didn't even bother implementing DRM is pretty shitty, but if you're the kind of person who is going to pirate a 15 dollar game you probably would never have bought it anyway.
I do not love or believe in [modern] video games.
I pirate old video games because I want to play them but do not want to buy them.
This brings up a good point: there's no point in pirating new games. Take BG3
>https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Patch_notes they're not even finished with the game
>they're going to add in a bunch of DLC
>It's 100 gigs (compressed I might add. It's probably 150 or something uncompressed. My games folder is 700 gigs, and if you remove teh three post-2015 games, it's really 580 gigs for 200+ games.
>this doesn't have DLC, so you're going to have to wait on that. So either you A) wait for a couple of years to get GOTY, with either partial or no mod support, or B) get it now, then get each DLC like a patch
>require you to upgrade your computer, so the whole point of piracy, to save money, is moot. What's the point of saving 60 bucks if you spent 1K on buying the parts, or even just 300 on a graphics card (especially if you have nothing else to do with your computer besides gaming)
>discussion is retarded shitflinging and game looks to be crap anyways, judging from marketing and let's plays
I have all the infinity engine games, original release, with their manuals and a wide screen patch, for 10 gigs. Even if newer games are better (which, they're 90% of the time, not) I still have superb value over cost. I can play hundreds of games across thousands of genres, and the only thing I would need is a guide telling me which to play. Meanwhile, if you bought your games on steam, you have to crack them yourselves to not have to use the steam launcher, and some won't even let you do that!
>inb4 sour grapes
Here come up with a better argument
it's free
buying a AAA game does more damage to the industry than pirating the same game
>making players think games should be free
Epic: TAKE ALL THE FREE GAMES!
Gog: TAKE THESE OCCASIONAL FREE GAMES
All top most popular games: FREE TO PLAY!
PS+: FREE GAMES WITH SUBSCRIPTION!
Gamepass: FREE GAMES WITH SUBSCRIPTION!
The message being sent by the major players in the industry is this: video games are disposable, throw-away toys, and we are all expected to play the hundreds of free games given away every year across all platforms with all of our free time.
But piracy is sending the wrong message? Give me a break.
If I could clone food, say buy a burger from McDonald's, then multiply it and feed a bunch of hungry people, would you call that a bad thing? Would you call it evil? Should it be illegal? McDonald's would have made more money if those people were forced to pay them, so I am "stealing" from them, according to your logic. However, they are not real customers, they are only potential customers. If the burgers weren't free, would they pay for them? You don't know that.
If people can get something for free and, thus, you can no longer make money off of it, that's not my problem. The free market has determined that your business is simply not profitable. If people actually cared, if they actually wanted you to keep working and making things for them, then they would pay you. A lot of creators realized this a long time and started relying on websites like Patreon where the people who actually give a shit about them staying in business pay them to do so; meanwhile, other people can get (some of) their work for free, but they're not real customers anyway, if they stopped making content they'd simply look elsewhere, they don't care. If you're an artist, or something close to it, then you should be happy that people like your work and that your voice has gotten out to the world, regardless of how much money you make. Sure, you need to make money to live, but it's not up to you to decide what your work is worth. That is up to the customer.
So, if you can't support yourself doing a job because people aren't paying you what you need to live, that's because your job isn't worth doing. Sorry. Either improve or go get a real job.
Stonetoss
>Onerous DRM that just makes trouble for legit users.
>A game having a demo is rare nowadays.
>Aids archival efforts, otherwise games just become lost when the developer/publisher stops supporting them.
Some developers have certain politic beliefs and policies. Pirating is just a boycott.
>I guess I can shell out the $88 Canadian fun bucks for-
>Oh it'll be another $19 for the DLC-
>Oh there's 4 DLC packs
>Oh I have to make an account with [publisher] to play what I just bought
>Oh and there's loot boxes
>Oh and a battle pass? Isn't this just a subscript-
>Oh hey it's free on piracy site cool
I can.
Done.
I'm russian and by pirating + seeding video games I'm hurting western economies, thereby accomplishing my patriotic duty towards my fatherland
Based, you Slavs/East Europeans are all right. You guys are
>classic Falloutfags, I enjoy Atom RPG, Underrail and other slav games a lot
>actually believe in the value of sharing is caring on the internet
>have decent gaming taste compared to English speaking countries
Without you guys the internet would suck so much more.
I thought ATOM was alright, but the expansion, Trudograd or whatever, though it obviously suffered from a much smaller scope, otherwise I thought it was excellent. A solid 9/10 if you go in expecting half the length of a full game.
I'm excited to play it, after I'm re-done with Atom
one of your comrades stole my steam account a few days ago and all he does is play CSGO, he doesn't even play the cool RPG's i had.
Post your cool RPGs, I will be the judge if they're worth playing.
I had Morrowind, Oblivion, Arcanum, Dragons Dogma, Crusader Kings 2/3, Deus Ex, New Vegas and i think those were all.
I wanted to get Baldurs Gate 1 but i guess i will be pirating that one
>Crusader Kings 2/3
>RPGs
Anyways if he is a slav he's likely to play all those games/have them on his own account. Still nice selection, I will say yes, they're cool games (except CK games, I never played)
Anyways I recommend if you like hate developers making changes to a game, to get the original version. BG1 Enhanced is just BG2 with BG1's module, and that causes some changes that hurt the game. And I don't mean just companions, I mean https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/106070/what-are-the-differences-between-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-and-the-classic.
If you don't want to, that's fine, but I just wanna notify you that even getting those BG1 Enhanced fix mods is a bandaid solution.
Anyways, try out some other D&D RPGs. Dark Lands: Shattered Suns, Knights of Chalice 1/2 and Eye of the Beholder are good times.
Based, I sincerely have a lot of respect for you ruskie seeders. Somehow you guys always manage to seed what I'm looking for, no matter how obscure
morning Russia! Thanx for larger then average women you breed
I want thing, therefore I should have thing.
I can't even buy some games even if I wanted to.
nah, I dont need to
It justifies itself
Quick reminder that piracy started dying off in the mid 2010s and got revived because of the lack of demo versions and shitty releases.
I pirated mount and blade warband, brigador, the complete sims 2, 3 and 4, and only bought the first two games. Why? Because I hate EA and I wanted to support smaller devs that actually made games that ended up being worth my time.
>Sims 2,3,4
Not 1?
I still have the first one on burned discs my cousin gave me like a decade or more ago. Just gotta dig up my disc reader in my closet. Also my fucking captcha
>h4x 2hx
Easy, with the ever increasing cost that comes associated with developing games more and more of that cost would be shouldered by the consumer, the cost overall brings quality of a product down. When you have a cost involved in refining your product said product get less of that care that comes with assembling that product, cheap materials already used processes (in the case of Bethesda) to the point where the games released will be reskins of older games cause the production costs involved with that method is far cheaper.
At this point, the product loses its value, meaning; If it were made well I'd be happy to pay for it, of it was different then previous entries you'd want to continue the ongoing development of newer, better titles. You pay 100% for 100% given. But when intelligence has a customer is betrayed then it's time to pirate
I don't have to.
>it's le immoral!
I don't care.
>h-how are the baseddevs going to donate to trans rights charities without that money?
I don't care.
My justification for piracy is pic related. You are not entitled to my money.
>inb4 don't buy it
No. :^)
You fuckers are infinitely more mentally ill than any chud.
You're mindless conspiracy theorist sheeple fighting a bullshit culture war made up by grifters that profit from pissing people off.
You don't even realize that there are SJWs on both sides, and you're a complete and total servant for conservative SJWs.
Stop wasting your life with this shit and go do something productive, retard.
That graph does have a point. It says very clearly what I hate about games. I mean, I like my flat breasted tits and the female desexualization about aliens is dumb cause I want aliens to be aliens, but overall it does point out the libtard cancer in modern games very well.
The REAL issue is that anon is playing these games, at all. Why pirate a game with this shit in it? It's not going to be good, it's going to be, by his omission, a shitty game. So why play it?
You are not entitled to my money.
I will keep pirating stuff.
You will never be a woman.
I am immune to grifters because I don't buy anything from large corporations.
i've never been more embarrassed to read something in my life
You are not entitled to my money.
I will keep pirating stuff.
You will never be a woman.
>mad
>mad
>mad
Why pirate shit games? Like come on bro, these games are shit. The point of the graph is that you won't play them, not that you'll just pirate them. What value does, for example, Forspoken has? Or Last of Us 2? or GOW? Those games are well known to hit a lot of the points of the graph, why would you play them if they're shit?
>That pic
>Mileena
Did giving Mileena lips "De-sexualize" her?
It seems like the amount of coomer art of her increased after the redesign if anything.
>negative consumption mindset
I honestly find that I'm more forgiving of a game with bad aspects if I pirated it. Like if a game sucks and I paid for it, I'm gonna let people know, but if a game is just mediocre but fun at times and I didn't pay a dime, I'm recommending it to people.
Purchase fallacy, pirates were never going to buy your game even if they couldn't pirate it, they'd just not play it flat out. You're not losing sales because these people were never going to give you money one way or another. Pirates aren't bound by your logic and kvetching skills.
I'm poor
Me pirating something I couldn't afford does no harm
But it makes my life that little bit more bearable
Maybe it's "wrong", but I'm going to continue until I'm altogether prevented from doing so
And when that happens I'm not going to start buying games, just stop playing them
>Justify
Haha thanks for the free game
I am trusted with a muzzle and enfranchised with a clog; therefore I have decreed not to sing in my cage.
If I had my mouth, I would bite; if I had my liberty, I would do my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and seek not to alter me.
Because unlike physical theft piracy creates duplicates of the game that do not prevent original copies from being sold. At any time someone who decided to pirate a game can choose to purchase an official copy if they enjoyed the game enough to do so. Additionally many games are no longer sold in an official capacity, leaving piracy the only way to play them. And in the case where people simply pirate to not spend money, there was never going to be a situation in which they'd pay for the game. Even then a business can benefit due to there being more people talking about the game creating free PR they wouldn't have otherwise.
Make games that people want to buy and release them in an offline format that allows people to keep their games forever. Why would I pay for something that I won't be able to access at an arbitrary point in the future? I can pirate a game and will have it forever.
Riddle me this, you gnomish trash
What use for me is it to BUY video games? Examples:
Buy Red Alert 2 --> get Red Alert 3, inferior product
Buy Age of Empires 2 --> get Aoe 3, inferior product
Buy Diablo 2 --> get Diablo 3, very much and inferior product
Buy System Shock 2 --> studio closes
Buy GTA San Andreas --> Get GTA 4, inferior product
Literally NO BENEFIT for me to buy games.
You know I don't think I really care what random people I will never know do.
I don't have to be because I don't live in denial like you do. The pirates aren't making the industry bad retarded consumers are.
If I want a game, I will get the game.
If the best way is buying, I will buy.
But if it not, then I am getting it anyway
I hate the people who make games and want the industry to be damaged.
good. if the industry crashes maybe i'll do something productive instead. it'll then i'll keep pirating and playing games.
Quick take, cutting the bullshit.
- Piracy ain't killing any businesses any time soon, because only broke fags and cheapskates pirate.
- Sucking up to corporations going "bu-but the economy!!!11" is a classic cuckhold move.
- The artists, programmers and other people who actually worked on the game DON'T GET THE CASH. Most of it goes to overpriced proprietary software licenses and upper management.
- If regular consumers would rather risk data theft and bitcoin mining viruses to avoid shelling out 3 hours of mcdonalds wage for your product, your work is shit. No questioning it.
Justify physical and digital releases having the same price tag first.
Make a game that's worth the money you're asking for, and I'll buy it. I pirated Armored Core 6, liked what I experienced after a few hours, and happily paid the $60 for the game on Steam. It's amazing how this simple concept eludes most developers and publishers today. They think that they're entitled to an income just because they shit something out, and that honest demographic research/focus-testing is NOT mandatory when it comes to succeeding with the mass market.
I'm not a paypig. Simple as.
Remember when they commissioned a study to prove that piracy harms sales, and the study said it's actually the complete opposite, so they buried the study?
>study
you mean the UN sanction "study"?
it was a survey which means fuck all.
I don't have to justify anything. I like free shit.
you could use that money on more important stuff, like e-boi figurines
>Justify video game piracy,
You go to the car dealership, there are two of the same car. One is 10000$ the other is free. Which one do you choose?
>Corpos unironically believed people would pick option 1
Loving Every Laugh
without piracy
>2x players own 1x cake
>creators get paid for 1x cake
with piracy
>2x players own 2x cakes
>creators still get paid for 1x cake
it's literally just "creators" (90% of who are writers and artists who couldn't hack actual writing and art and gave up, but aren't passionate about vidya in itself) throwing a tantrum because poor people are spending the same pool of money but playing more games.
justify paying for games the creator doesn't even get paid for
I wasn't going to buy it anyway so the dev lost 0 money from me pirating it.
/thread
>Justify video game piracy
Not my problem
>Justify video game piracy, Ganker
Allow me to paint two scenarios for you:
> Scenario 1
> Art Marketplace: $70 Painting for Sale
> You can see the piece of art in its entirety
> You know exactly what you're getting
> Person selling the art is being honest
> Scenario 2
> Art Marketplace: $70 Videogame 4 sale
> You can't see the piece of art in its entirely
> You don't know exactly what you're getting
> Person selling the art is hyping the absolute fuck out of the game and showing you carefully selected footage from the game
> Person selling the art also has a history of deceiving buyers, lying to customers about the quality of the game.
With games, music, and movies, it's scenario 2. The consumer has no idea what it is they are actually buying -- which wouldn't be a problem if each of these marketplaces weren't full of people selling snake oil.
If there's a 50/50 chance I could be buying snake oil, using piracy as a means of "sampling the goods" isn't immoral. Developers started frontloading all the good content into demos and turned them into something that doesn't actually represent a game. Then they made it even worse when they removed demos altogether. And they they outdid themselves by stuffing the first 2h of the game with endless cutscenes so you can't refund fast enough before knowing what the game is like.
In this type of situation, piracy is morally the right way to sample games.
>ask that anon saying he's gonna pirate games that he hates why if they're shit
>ghost
>is able to respond with bait to others
I hate being a 4chantard who play games and actually wants to hear other people's viewpoints. This place breeds hatred of the opposition with it's soundbites and repeated converstations, from trolling and ignorance. This reminds me of text adventure games
>say "open the door"
>command "say" not found
>talk "open the door"
>command "open" not found
>scream "open the door"
>command "open" not found
I don't know why I even post here, I get more enjoyment arguing with myself
NTA, but I don't pirate games I don't want to play for moral reasons. The last game I pirated was AC6, but that was only until I got my paycheque and bought it.
A friend of mine pirates the latest pokemon/Fire Emblem games despite having nothing but venom towards them. It's the picture of the otter eating a watermelon and hating it. I have no idea why he does it.
Oh yea, I also pirated TotK despite not liking BotW. I wanted to see if it was different enough to consider it worth purchasing.
Same garbage as BotW. I think I played TotK for three hours before dropping it and never coming back. In this case piracy saved me money.
>Justify video game piracy
I want to play Amagami in english.
I have no option to purchase an english copy of Amagami.
The PS2 game is no longer being produced. The PSP game is no longer being produced. And even if they were, they are only in japanese, not english.
There is a fan-translation of Amagami, but it's not something you can apply to a PS2 disc or a PSP disc. Even if you had some sort of laser printer, you couldn't burn the translation into the disc. So even owning a copy of the game means nothing.
The only way to get a translated copy of Amagami is to get a pirated copy of Amagami and then apply the translation to the files.
Now, justify what a multibillion dollar corporation can just sit on intellectual property and refuse to sell it to people, then complain about how they are being "stolen" from.
NOOOOOOOOO U HAVE TO BUY A PHYSICAL COPY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY DEGRADE TO THE POINT OF COMPLETE NONFUNCTIONALITY, AND U HAVE TO PAY A RESELLER FOR IT SO THAT NO MONEY GOES TO THE ORIGINAL COMPANY
If I'm pirating it, it means I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.
The companies themselves have been doing more harm to game shops than pirates. with the push for digital content.
They're drawings.
Just follow the Patreon model.
Ask a base monthly price, ramp up cost in tiers.
Release whatever content you made on a short schedule (weeks or months) and carefully adapt to feedback. Maybe they want more anime tiddies, maybe they think the robot with a pea shooter is too OP, fix it next episode.
Surprise, surprise, Enterprise has been doing it before Patreon even was a thing, it's called a SCRUM lifecycle and Agile development!
Oh, and **keep a source-code tarball online.** At the point you release the next episode, your work has already been paid for, and modders will just port it over to smartwatches, internet-connected toasters, pregnancy tests, whatever, for free! that's right, your name and your game will spread accross the universe and you won't have to rewrite a single line by yourself!
just pirated everspace 2, is it good bros?
Good but not great. I enjoyed it but it's definitely not worth the full price.
huh. good thing I got the high seas discount then
>Piracy hurts the industry
>Piracy hurts devs
>Piracy puts artists and writers on the street
Unfortunately none of these are true
>creators hard work
this is already the biggest mistake. starfield was not made through hard work as it looks like a shitty open-world game from 2013 with dogshit nothing content. its lazy and sucks so i feel obligated to pirate it so that i can hasten the bankruptcy of bethesda ASAP. its also a nice way to demo games that don't have demos
new visuals must have taken some work but you can clearly tell the overall design decision there was "let's reuse the skyrim codebase with sci-fi alien planet assets", from the physics all the way to how things are laid out accross the world map.
It's ironic that instead of killing the industry, piracy has saved it by preserving video games digitally, while even big devs and publishers like Nintendo and Rockstar have lost their source code for older games and have tried to quietly sell pirated versions instead.
>eat the rich!!
>noooooo not like that!!! you have to buy the product you fucking goyim reeeee!!!!!
Eat the rich only ever means literally murdering rich people. Doing things to hurt their wallet is irrelevant to them if you let them live. So your greentext is max invalid. have a nice day now.
software, all software, should be free
trading physical currency for electrons is a scam. there is no scarcity. you can have an unlimited number of copies of a file. for the past 30 years corps have been imposing scarcity where it doesn't exist because it fucking prints money for them. you work on a product for ~5 years which you can then sell an infinite amount of, indefinitely.
free as in freedom, baby
i guess you're on the Richard Stallman freedumz train, then?
yes
The value of digital goods comes from the practical applications or the entertainment they provide. You pay for those qualities, not the ones and zeroes themselves.
labor and time isnt free fag
then dont put it in a form that can be easily copied
I want devs, and their handlers, to lose money and die.
It's kind of amazing how literally none of that is true.
Sure: the EU and other organizations have done studies and found it basically doesn't affect sales if your game is good
https://felixreda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
The basic gist is that the type of person to pirate a game is not the type of person to pay for it in the first place. Either because they don't have the cash or they just don't spend money on things in general.
And the presence of an option to pirate games is only used if its easier than buying itself (see: Limewire, Napster, etc).
People bitch about Streaming music and TV shows but they were the answer to people pirating music and movies and shows because the infrastructure around that was actually more robust than normal methods of buying media.
In gaming, piracy hasn't really been a major detriment to game sales since the PS1 days where you can literally just rip and burn games entire to normal CD-ROMs.
These days, buying games online is so easy that if you have the money and aren't philosophically against paying for things, you buy games. And the type of person to not buy a game in the first place because it's too expensive is not going to hurt sales if they pirate it because there's no theoretical sale being lost in the first place.
The idea that piracy affects game sales is the same idea that Lets Plays and Twitch Streams will negatively affect game sales because people are getting all the 'content' visually without paying for the game
>doesn't affect sales if your game is good
>if your game is good
So piracy is a huge threat to modern AAA gaming. Good to know.
Piracy lets me play the games how I want to play them, without intrusive anti-cheat bullshit.
Piracy lets me play games I know have shit """localization""" without supporting the cancer these people shit out.
Piracy kept me sane during my college days when I could barely afford food, let alone fucking games.
Receiving goods and/or services without compensating the creator or provider of said good/service is fundamentally fucked, as civilized societies are built upon reciprocation. Even before we had money, we traded things.
I don't need to and I don't care about the industry
you make games on purpose to be shit and don't give a fuck
dont care,Im not gonna pay for goyslop thats not even fun,modern games can fuck off.
fuck the companies not selling old games but bitching about piracy of those older games.
and fuck OP for being a fag
maybe if someone actually made something worth buying. I think I've bought 2 games this year, and only 1 of them was new. And it wasn't a AAA game either.
>"Modern games suck"
>Proceed to pirate said games so you can play them
yeah im gonna fuck around for 20 minutes and then uninstall. you think im paying $70 + tip for that?
If you know you're going to do that, why even bother?
Judging by yourself is important.
And being divorced from any sunk cost feelings while playing the game allows you to actually be more objective and drop that shit without hesitation.
Yeah, you want to check them out but are not willing to pay the retarded high price they ask for the piece of shit they are presenting to you.
I constantly pirate games and 90% of the time I uninstall and delete within an hour due to how shit they are.
Your precious game industry won't even get this big without piracy promoting it.
Same with the free2play ads spamming shits you guys hated so much.
it's easier than your mom and that's saying something
>pirate game
>play game and keep money
>buy game
>play game and lose money
real tough choice there... a true trolley problem
>is never the way forward
Forward to what?
All information should be freely accessible at a moment's notice for the overall benefit of society.
All forms of piracy are justified.
Every game costs $80+, whether it's the same thing (Cod, Ass creed, totk), or straight up unplayabe (cyberpunk), or games that run perfectly fine. I would think twice about piracy if yearly release games were in the 20-40 dollar range, depending on the publisher
If you are broke it's okay to steal.