>Keeps selling better than the next game in the series 3 years later
H-How did they do it bros?!
>Keeps selling better than the next game in the series 3 years later
>Keeps selling better than the next game in the series 3 years later
H-How did they do it bros?!
Smart pandering, unlike engage's shameless one.
This
Pandering the pedo groomer homosexual is more profitable the pandering the strategy game chad
t. Literally pirated Engage despite the game being my GOTY
>Engage has a literal e-boi wearing skimpy suits
Yes, Seteth, your sister right here.
It's ok when 3H does it
Its always ok. Games need more of this, not less.
>about -34 hours into game
>fucking horrendous dialogue but keep pushing through
>reach "GIVE IT BAAAAAAACK" cutscene
yea niqqa im out this shit was silly. gameplay and animations were pretty decent.
>pandering the strategy game chad
it's a fucking grid based slop dude, get real. All of these games have shit gameplay, it's the lowest denominator of srpg.
>dude who cares about the gameplay
>ai slop
just have a nice day already
Just play romhacks at this point. Presentation and dialogue are important for mainline games (it's fun you fucking homosexuals), you're never getting complex system with a square based grid holdover from the nintendo era. You either have to go all out and basically make some wrpg ruleset and slap it on FE or make an entry with the complexity of a mobile game but have some fun girls to talk to and ship. Making a shit game with shit dialogue doesn't tick either of those boxes, which i guess engage decided to go with.
Not all was bad, but overall, a painfully shitty entry.
>Just play romhacks at this point.
Or I could just play Engaygie which was a good fucking game? What's with FEfags nowadays completely giving up on the franchise, this shit isn't like Pokemon where romhacks have been objectively the best way to play the games for well over a decade now. I swear that the fanbase would be more happy with getting a shitty low budget 3H anime (basically the same shit quality as the regular game) than getting newer games.
Engage is good but to me it's not "50 stages and 60 plus hours a run" good to want to revisit it.
Fire Emblem either needs to go back to being shorter games without inbetween battle busy work or deliver a reason for me to give a shit beyond "Good gameplay"
Good thing that you can ignore the Somniel shit anon. Don't tell me that you also did the shitty face rubbing minigame in fates just to get that extra free support point
if by ignore you mean "Ignore weapon forges and buying tonics for every stage" then no you can't ignore it unless you are going to have less of a fun time, And it still doesn't take into account that doing everything in a non DLC run is still around 40 stages, with DLC it goes up to 50, if you ignore every side mission, thus missing out on Emblem levels 11-20, then it's down to a more reasonable 26 chapters which is around what I consider an acceptable length for an entry.
If the story or characters aren't going to be good or interesting then just give me one paragraph of text inbetween battles and an army of generic faceless dudes, I'll happily play that because Iron Emblem was FUN! Let's just cut out the middle man all together if Fire Emblem has truly never had good characters, story, or writing in general.
Its insane how romhack FE youtubers have made a portion of the fanbase (albeit a tiny one) latch onto something that has never existed in the first place.
all I'm saying is, we both agree that the story's haven't been good and aren't important, same with the characters, so would it be better if they just gave up entirely on both for the next entry? Why do they put in so much effort on stuff that any REAL fan that only plays for the game play, would just skip? I don't understand this weird double think that I see, the whole "Yeah this is shit but your shit if you think it's shit"
>REAL fans only play for the game play
What weird cope is this? Good lore has always been part of what makes people like fire emblem. The bizzare story choices are why people bashed Fates so hard when it first released.
Gameplay is important but if I think all the characters are shitheads what does that accomplish?
honestly if they took out the main story but kept support conversations I wouldn't care
because when the games were being bought by only REAL fans they had zero commercial value on the grounds of anime chess being laughably shallow compared to any REAL strategy game.
>any REAL strategy game.
such as?
The grindan game
disgaea? its fun but I still prefer fe overall
Such as any RTS or PC strategy game with REAL resource management and a decent following.
>coming into a thread about a turn based game in order to shill for real time games
Le sigh
Endless Space is turn-base you dingus.
This demonstrates how you are incapable of playing actual strategy games outside of the monkey-tier "hit rock-paper-scissors in advance" dopamine activation mechanic.
Bet you like the gacha too.
>ignore forges
Forging wastes basically no time since it's just a fucking shop. At most, you'll need to upgrade Brodia's region level to get more ingots
>buying tonics
You don't need to do that every single chapter. Just buy them when you need them, like chapter 23 which is a run ender. And even if you do cook in the Somniel which takes less than 10 seconds to do and you can cook without ingredients, you're not even guaranteed to do the stat bonus that you get. Basically, enter a stage, check if you need tonics to reach an important stat threshold, drink tonics if so. Literally the same system as fates, except better because cooking in that game was way more overpowered and also more time wasting
You're also overestimating the chapter count, if anything the game is too short. Chapter 1 and 2 might as well not even exist and Lucina's paralogue is short as fuck.
>What's with FEfags nowadays completely giving up on the franchise
it isn't. it's the two million and more that three houses brought in who, coincidentally, hate everything about fire emblem
This
3H fans are Persona 5 fans, not Fire Emblem fans
you stand for nothing, oxygen waste tbh
THIS is the audience 3HRT has drawn in. Embarrassing.
>reach "GIVE IT BAAAAAAACK" cutscene
This was inexcusably bad but the game this far has such dogshit writing that it numbed my reaction to it. If they wanted to dumb down the story just go back to gba tier writing. It wasn't overly complex but still had a level of professionalism that didn't make it read like a teenager's fanfic page.
>it's the lowest denominator of srpg.
Name better.
You people always love to lean on this point but it's complete fluff.
Pottery of typical engage fan.
Three Houses and Awakening is the sort of pandering people really seem to prefer as opposed to the likes of Fate and Engage.
Funny how engage and conquest are the much better games though
Awakening is a fantastic game story wise and Conquest is fantastic gameplay Wise. Both can be true.
>Awakening is a fantastic game story wise
Perhaps compared to the rest of the fe series but in general no I would not say it's story is fantastic
Compared to Conquest, yes but otherwise it really wasn't anything to write home about.
I mean, it gave us fan favorites like Lucina, Tharja, Severa etc. I'd day it was pretty influential within community culture.
Chrom and Robin are pretty well regarded and famous too. Certainly the most well known protags outside maybe Marth or Roy.
>Lucina
I hate lucina with every fiber of my being
Yes because it had good marketing and came out at the most opportune time on the 3ds. But that doesn't make its story and characters incredible. The story was overly simplistic.
White bitch and nagger will sell because white bitch is naggers sex slave and only naggers and white bitches have money
Country of origin?
Average American FE fan
A good story. RPGs need to sell you on its narrative first, otherwise you could be playing an actual game like DMC or whatever, and nobody actually plays FE for muh strategic gameplay with the depth of a puddle.
Of course 3HRTrannies don't give a shit about FE gameplay and would be perfectly ok if the next FE games literally just a visual novel
I'm making an objective observation on the sales numbers and overall reception you dumbass nagger. Three Houses raised the expectations for the context of the things you do within anime chess simulator and Engage very obviously failed to deliver.
What's egregious to me is you could actually have a cool tokusatsu homage with the themes the game had in hand but they decided to execute it in the stupidest way possible.
>Three Houses raised the expectations for the context of the things you do within anime chess simulator
So, making a shitty blatantly unfinished VN instead of an actual FE game?
Sure that's what retarded Amerilards love.
Since when has FE not been half a VN? Gaiden? Engage has even more cutscene runtime than any given route in 3H.
Take meds.
I don't know anon, redpill me some VNs were mashing the skip button is highly recommended by the fanbase
Every eroge.
Gameplay discussion fizzles out much quicker because optimizing strategy has a shorter shelf life than discussing story.
I assume you hate just about every sRPG because if FE is shallow as a puddle then the genre as a whole is a sand blasted wasteland as far as depth goes. Outside of maybe XCOM, but I'm not sure if that's rpg enough to be an srpg.
They always complain Fire Emblem is shallow but none of the alternatives are any deeper. Disgaea? FF Tactics? Shining Force? L M A O
I think it's unironically 4x and RTS fags whenever this retarded talking point comes ip
I think games like Tactics Ogre and even the later FFTactics entries predicate first on the story and second on the gameplay. PC strategy games like Endless or Starcraft or whatever have an actual strategic element to it beyond rock-paper-scissors.
FE is as much of a strategy game as other turn-based RPGs like FFX or Bravely Default are.
>FE is as much of a strategy game as other turn-based RPGs like FFX or Bravely Default are
Oh you're unironically fucking retarded
Actually yeah Bravely Default actually has you take more elements in consideration if you want to beat the game beyond a basic triangle of weapons to pick in advance, while dungeoning and MP management is far less forgiving than the resources at your disposition in any FE game.
So Bravely Default is more of a strategy game than Fire Emblem.
>FE is as much of a strategy game as other turn-based RPGs like FFX or Bravely Default are.
no
That's just wrong, FE has positioning requirements and things like time gated side objectives (villages, chests that can be thieved), along with enemy formations.
I'm not even sure why I'm arguing with a line as stupid as
>FE is as much of a strategy game as other turn-based RPGs like FFX or Bravely Default are.
I'm sorry but moving characters across a grid and having time limits is not a le deep strategic element you have to actively think about.
>FE is given to a different developer
>result is the best game in the series
Almost like IS is a garbage studio or something.
KT just wrote the side routes and supports
IS wrote Silver Snow, the worst route in the game, while KT wrote the rest.
KT was more respectful to FE's past than current IS with plenty of references to Genealogy and such instead of making a joke out of everything, while at the same looking towards the future with a fresh new formula and engaging characters.
>FE4 fan excited to play FE4 for the first time.txt
Just like Persona fans indeed.
HyukHyuk
It being a rehash of the Three Kingdoms is no coincidence either. Still, the game delivered on all that I've wanted for an FE game. I hope Nintendo makes IS hire actual writers or something.
>result is the best game in the series
its 3rd worse 4th if im being generous
Will Int$y$ ever go bankrupt? Well I guess Heroes keeps them afloat
Because the average nu-fe fan wants a persona game with as little of that icky tactical shit as possible.
3H is m6 favorite FE game and I beat Conquest Lunatic. If 3H had anywhere close to that level design it would probably be my favorite game of all time.
maybe letting Koei Tecmo work on the series is better than IS.
I think it's funny how there's several interviews about how Engage was meant to draw in a new, wider audience. With mobile app mechanics, a new brighter art style, and an easy to digest story. It's such a weird choice to do that on an anniversary style game that celebrates the previous games characters and stories. Then it totally failed to bring in a new audience.
People who play mobile games are just not going to jump. Specially not in Japan were mobile games are played 10-15 minutes at a time during trains and such.
Edelgard is appealing for men. And it has some alternate routes and dumb fujo bait like Blue Lions for the women
Never stick your dick in crazy, women shouldn’t let guys stick their crazy in her.
Edelgard
I don't even hate 3H threads. I just hate shit flinging OPs, that guarantee a shit thread from start to finish.
Nothing said in the OP was a lie you know
It happens, just hope the next thread is better
>Engage comes out
>now everyone suddenly has standards when its comes to story in FE
Yeah I honestly dont get it even as a kid I never thought fe stories were particularly stand out they're pretty much just there to give a bit of fluff for why you're at what ever map, if story is what you're after literally any other rpg is better
>3H does the bare minimum to make its story able to retain player retention (not even saying its good or bad here)
>be mad when people rightfully complain Engage can't even do that
>Not to mention bad story is one of the most universal complaints about Fates
Typical Engaygie victim complex.
its the same idiotic shit you glue eater just because you are playing the grooming teacher in your troonsona school.
Cope, Engage failed and everybody forgot about it the second after it came out.
oh well enjoy your dogshit maps, forced hub world and no strategy, VN tranny.
Will do!
Yeah if it was an actual strategy game without cutscene padding you'd have a better product but that's not really what the series has ever been known for.
My biggest gripe with 3H is that there are very few distinctions between characters since they all have similar "my family is awful" backgrounds but also since you can reclass them into anything, the best strategy is make everyone a Wyvern Knight with a bow. Maddening is done poorly with same turn reinforcements forcing uses of Divine Pulse. The writing is more grounded, but these are huge issues with the cast and gameplay.
Engage fixes this but also makes you want to switch the language so you can't understand what's being said. So classic Fire Emblem pick your poison where you're choosing a good story or good gameplay. Neither are as polarizing on this front as other games though.
>they all have similar "my family is awful" backgrounds
Isn't that the point? Would you have been annoyed at baby boomers all talking about their parents going to WWII? Their backgrounds are what drive them to change.
>Isn't that the point?
Very in brand for a 3H fan to excuse shoddy writting with world building
What's that?
Actual arguments and complaints?
Oh nothing
OP here, kind of and I respect it, but after 4 routes and how many support convos I'm like "yeah get in line with the rest of them." Sometimes realism isn't the best answer. Plus there are ways of balancing that with Engage's quirkiness. Farina in FE7 comes to mind with how obsessed she is about getting paid to an unhealthy extent, but come to find out that it was to take care of her sisters and she couldn't live with her failure to help them.
3H fundamentally set itself up to have samey characters setting it in an academy. They're going to have similar backgrounds meeting in the same place. At the moment, I prefer Engage's more colorful cast for this reason, but I'm sure eventually I'll be annoyed and appreciate the more level-headed 3H characters before jumping back to the campy cast once I'm tired of the more serious casts.
I felt Golden Deer had the best balance between seriousness and lightheartedness. I understand why most 3H fans rate BL and BE highly but for me I didn't really care for them too much.
With their cast I can totally see that. It felt a little removed for me but that was fine. I wasn't burnt out when I did BE, but BL I never finished because I got sick of Dimitri getting up on the wrong side of the bed. so often I feel like he's being difficult to be difficult. It didn't feel real to me after a while.
>Engage fixes this but also makes you want to switch the language so you can't understand what's being said.
kek
I think it's pretty annoying for the Black Eagles route but the repeating elements in the characters for Azure Moon draw into a common thematic element (that of learning to let go of past traumas through the love of your friends that you then reflect to others) make it cool enough.
Unlike the oneguy Engage memer, I don't consider FE to be this excruciating strategy game where you have to think about every resource when games in completely unrelated genres like fighting games or RTS games have much deeper systems you have to interact with, so story becomes a greater element, and this is different actually fun games like Bayonetta and stuff.
>I don't consider FE to be this excruciating strategy game where you have to think about every resource when games in completely unrelated genres like fighting games or RTS games have much deeper systems you have to interact with, so story becomes a greater element
This is the biggest key to this whole debate. Fire Emblem plays so many sides. you have games like Engage and Conquest that try to add more mechanics and systems to bolster the game play, but those titles often forget to put anything into their story. Then you have Tellius and 3H where the gameplay is serviceable but nothing outstanding, but they really try to knock out the story. People play Fire Emblem for different reasons. This happens with Zelda all of the time.
The games have strengths and weaknesses and honestly it's great we have both a story focused and a gameplay focused FE game on the switch.
The older games had much shorter dialogue, and cutscenes compared to the newer games on the switch, which have cutscenes that go on for so long your switch enters sleep mode.
maybe dont' design the characters to look like vtubers
>I have no individuality
Engage has better character design and gameplay than Three Houses
I agree you can add animations to that too
Hilarious
>Engage has better character design
100% true
Not looking ugly as fuck with 99% of characters having dogshit designs will do that for you
It doesn't matter how much it sells, it will never stop being utter fucking shit. 3H is a serious contender for worst FE ever, bottom five for sure.
The longer time goes on the more I agree with this. The characters are super flat and samey, the maps are all bland and ugly, even more open and lifeless than Awakening or Birthright's rout saturated map list. There's little color, the plot reeks of Fates plot holes and nonsensical decisions and convolutions. I hear Dimitri compared to Ike and Sigurd for best Lord but he's a 14 year old girl having her first period he's so pathetic. Claude is irrelevant. Edelgard is interesting but has 0 consistency. Rhea is just an awful person.
Honestly so many characters fall into "incredibly irrelevant" for a game that trims down your group so it can involve everyone (I know you can recruit from other houses but the route focuses on that house's characters). It has the Fates "too many Lords" issue but without any interesting characters.
Maps are boring and bland. Weapon type only matters for combat arts but they're copy, pasted, and renamed among classes. Oftentimes they're utter garbage and never worth using or crutches to make specific builds work. Magic units feel boring to use because they require no interaction and are a free deploy and each character having a set spell list is the only unique thing about them, but it makes some units arbitrarily worse at magic.
Gambits are neat but underwhelming. It's likely you'll rarely use them. Their biggest use is to just keep enemies from moving which feels like a cop out than a strategic plan. They're objectively worse than the Break system in Engage.
3H ages like milk.
3h fans are not fire emblem fans I dont get why they even bother trying to talk about the rest of the series
How to kill Fire Emblem:
1. Release it in the west
2. Create Seth so homosexuals can forget that they're playing a strategy game
3. Create casual mode to completely kill a major gameplay mechanic
4. Guilt trip fans into buying a shitty game so that the franchise doesn't die
5. Shill waifus by making a shitty gacha game
6. Appeal to coomers and groomers by making a Persona clone where you can fuck your own students
The censorship kept me away from engage (I didn't play 3H either).
Maybe I$ should make a real FE for their real audience aka retarded woman who play in normal/casual and they only want to ogle at the hot guys.
>Ganker suddenly cares about grooming but half the catalog is e-bois
>Not looking ugly as fuck
3HRTs are the poster children for throwing stones in glass houses.
Swap FE4 with 3H and Birthright with Echoes
In fact, make an F tier exclusively for Birthright, that game has 0 redeeming qualities other than the soundtrack
birthright still has fates style gameplay so imo that keeps it from being completely terrible thinking about it more maybe I should put it above awakening
its dlc
I mean, it still is a fully game, a waste of 20 dollars sure but it was still a full game
Where uh... Where did rev go?
Gameplay-kun, all of these except Engage, Conquest and Thracia play fundamentally the same.
What's your point?
Not censoring it to shit
Because Engage is written by 12 year olds and the story is infantile.
>literal persona with fe skin that panders to normalfags sold more
Wow shocking
now play those "good games" without emulator fast forward
Putting Awakening at the bottom demonstrates an extreme lack of taste.
The journey with the shepherds was kino. The final against The Fell Dragon was unforgettable to this day and Robin/Chrome are great protags.
Putting conquest above Birthright is based from a gameplay perspective. Don't get the point in dunking on Revelations tho, unless all you care about is gameplay.
that list looks like bait to me
Just like Engage it has some actually OK ideas but its executed in such a childish way they are not worth going over them for a whole game. Those small moments (and the music which does 90% of the lifting) run extremely thin throughout the course of the game, so it fails to provide a meaningful context.
Same with Birthright having that one "OH SHIT" moment through an otherwise unremarkable campaign. And I think everyone universally agrees Revelations has the worst of both camps LMAO.
>his day and Robin/Chrome are great protags.
I hate chrom, robin is decently cool though but im not a huge fan of any fe lead besides like ephraim
Why are 3housesfags so obnoxious?
Fodlan withdrawal symptoms.
Just twitter refugee behavior
Alright, I bought a copy. What am I in for?
pure distilled fire emblem
An alright game with plenty of faults propped up by seething fags who hate the previous game with a passion.
Shitty writing, ok gameplay, and shameless attempts at trying to make you forget the shitty plot by shoving the ghosts of actually well liked characters down your throat.
>shameless attempts at trying to make you forget the shitty plot by shoving the ghosts of actually well liked characters down your throat
I don't understand this complaint. If anything it feels like Engage wanted to minimize the presence of the old characters as much as possible by making most of them irrelevant in terms of the story and giving them pretty generic mentorish personalities.
I agree that they watered down their personalities. They turned Lucina into almost a totally different person.
But it was still a bad decision. The only gimmick they could think of was bringing back old faces? Why not focus on making us like this cast of chucklefucks? Alear barely has a personality. And another fell dragon plot? Really?
muh anniversary game
>And another fell dragon plot? Really?
The avatars are what's actively hurting Fire Emblem. It's been the same exact shit for four fucking games now with some special snowflake fuck with magical dragon blood and parental issues.
>special snowflakes with dragon blood
>alm and celica
>sigurd and seliph
>leif
>roy depending on who eliwood banged
>micaiah (not dragon blood but heron blood)
4.5/10 games before the remakes and Awakening where the lord has special blood. It’s not a new trend that’s ruining the plot of the games.
You forgot Marth the origin of it all.
a lot of cringe, boring gameplay up until about the halfway mark, and horrendous story
"I wanted to be a Good dragon!!"
I'M THE FIRE EMBLEM DRAGON MOMMY
kino, reminds me of the gba games
I cared when Ninian died. I cared when Hector died. I didn't give a shit when blue momma died in this.
did you care when eliwoods dad died?
Beyond base generic sympathy? Not particularly I will admit. But the problem with Lumera is that the game expects you to have a deep emotional attachment to this lady you barely know. Alear pisses xir pants over this person they've known for like a week. It's Corrin's mom dying all over again and cringe.
>Why is Alear having a strong reaction to this? >No, I don't care that it's explained later and the reason is to give Alear a motivation, I'M not having a strong reaction and *I* don't care so it's unrealistic and le cringe!
>explained later
Alear didn't have those memories when she died. The melodrama didn't make sense. They should have saved it for when the mental floodgates broke later.
You know what? That is completely fair and I no argument
>I cared when Hector died
You wouldn't if you played FE6 first, retard.
>I cared when Ninian died
literally noone has ever said this
>I cared when Ninian died
You did not play FE7.
Wrong.
Gross
In what world lol, this is literally Awakening/Fates.
colorful and good animations
Actually fair, I didn't think of it that way.
The maps, especially the ring paralogues, are the 'greatest hits' of fire emblem and the power spike gimmick grew on me after I initially didn't like it. You can dub the story with whatever you want, it's only there to push the maps forward. It's a fun FE game in the mechanics and has quite a few good chapters.
Some of the best gameplay and animations of the series, the gameplay is so good that storyfags have been having melties over the game for 6 months straight
>What am I in for?
> Alright, I bought a copy. What am I in for?
A refund
It's hilarious that 3Hfags don't know just how many bad story cliches from the series are present in 3H too. Engage was just more shameless about them.
It got a DLC Character in Smash
>a lot of cringe, boring gameplay up until about the halfway mark, and horrendous story
Oh yeah how did Anderon Saga turned out? I watched him talk about that one writer he hired (who apparently has a reputation of being a pedophile within the fanbase), and start babbling dumbass memes about the Hero's Journey so I checked out.
i played it explicitly to shit on it but im still playing it to this day just for fun and it is a strong contender for my goty
as with every fire emblem or fe-like it has many warts and ymmv
It's about on par with writing quality of GBA era stuff(as in not amazing but not awful) with Gameplay that's more like a hyrbid of GBA+one or two skills on a unit. But Considering how most hacks range from awful to "alright" with there being an actual Gem every once in a blue moon It's pretty enjoyable as long as you aren't trying to take it serious, I'd put it as my overall third favorite romhack but I could easily mark it lower if I find some more stuff with little flaws.
Overall I'd say it's pretty damn good for a romhack but that has more to do with the average romhack looks and plays like shit I wouldn't go into it with high expectations, I put it on par with other romhacks that try to have a story but come up short in some aspects(so the typical FE experience really lol) Isabelle is best girl. Have an Ilyana for your troubles.
Somebody should come up with a proper SRPG engine at this point.
True if only because FEhacking, while it has improved over time, it's still limited by various factors.
My boyfriend enjoys the homosexual character more then I do but I do think people tend to not look at what was written by Egghead and what was written by Funkock. In general I like most of the characters but there are a few stinkers, The Main Cast is very hit or miss but many of the side characters I liked, In particular the Elderly characters feel like they belong in another entry.
things have changed really, the current fanbase is kinda eating itself alive, not to mention the political spectrum as a whole, so you have a mixture of strange bed fellows, I mostly see this as "Egghead mellowed the fuck out and isn't anywhere near as edgy anymore, thus attracting more of a leftie audience who doesn't care about the accusations" It helps that the dummy doesn't really have meaningful competition in his sphere's of influence beyond maybe Ghast?
Apologies for talking about E-celeb bullshit, have this Felica meme.
>My boyfriend
>In general I like most of the characters but there are a few stinkers, The Main Cast is very hit or miss but many of the side characters I liked,
It's so funny that I see people say literally the same thing about Engage as they do Andaron, I don't hate Andaron but this feels like a weird case of karmic justice given how obnoxious Mangs was about disliking the writing in Engage
I mean I like most of the Engage cast too, including the main character! I just couldn't find the motivation to finish it, so Fire Emblem's character's are still doing fine in my eyes, If anything the entire experience was a wake up call for him in terms of "what to do and what not to do" ontop of a humbling of "Alright I'm not above it all" Which is only a positive thing going forward.
Dark Dragon and the Maiden of Light is my first one, it's pretty much just FE7 gameplay wise but it actually has a good story and character cast all around, Main Villain is a tad of a miss for me but outside of that and the early game being too easy, I think it's above most romhacks that do fancy gimmicks and such.
Storge is the second one, which is a shorter 6 chapter romhack where you use limited funds to buy weapons and characters at the start, the character's range from "pretty basic FE unit" to "Really unusual shit you'd never get to play with normally" like a Pirate that can turn into a Bastilla, a Summoner who can't summon, and a Dancer who can only give status buffs.
There's some other good ones out there that I liked but this is just MY opinion, I'll get back to playing more romhacks later.
>If anything the entire experience was a wake up call for him in terms of "what to do and what not to do" ontop of a humbling of "Alright I'm not above it all" Which is only a positive thing going forward.
That'd be nice but that's assuming he took any of the responses and criticism to heart instead of dismissing them as just trolls/haters which we do know
nice trips.
I like to think he will considering he's responded positively to review videos taking a dump on his romhack, against the wishes of the other developers including the lead writer lol.
>I like to think he will considering he's responded positively to review videos taking a dump on his romhack, against the wishes of the other developers including the lead writer lol.
Ever since the thing happened he seems to act a lot more mature than much of the people surrounding him online.
Yeah I'd say the people who surround him could classify more as "Lolcows" then the dude himself at this point, not all of them mind you, but some of them.
I keep calling him the writer not out of respect for privacy or whatever but because for the life of me I can't actually remember anything about the guy other than his e-boi fixiation and the ex-JW rants.
How is the fanbase eating itself? What you describe has all had happened before with the egg calling Leon a homosexual and stuff, and then refraining from those jokes until the drunken dog humping at the hotel happened. For much of a mess it is I think there may be a niche for fans tired of waiting years between game releases.
He should just read Poetics or something, every FE up to like PoR is straight up ripped from Sophocles and Euripedes.
when I said fanbase I meant the fire emblem fanbase, not the egghead fanbase, apologies, egghead fanbase is drama free atm.
What's your first and second favorite rom hack, I've been looking for good ones to play.
What do you consider awful? Engage was legitimately the worst dialogue I’ve ever seen since the original Resident Evil in 96. It’s not the worst game I’ve ever played, it’s high effort. The writing and dialogue though? Wow.
>Engage was legitimately the worst dialogue I’ve ever seen since the original Resident Evil in 96
Why do you fags overexaggerate like women?
It sold for shit due to the writing being so atrocious. How did you not notice?
Awful for me is basically "I can see how this writing COULD'VE been good, but It's awful in its current state"
Like there's no real way to improve the script of Awakening and Fates without drastically changing it so I don't consider these's Awful, they are "I don't think they are worth thinking about", there's a difference.
the closest example I can think of Romhack wise is "Vision Quest" which has everything it needs to make a good story, but it fumbles everything in the last, as for an actual videogame I'd say Apollo Justice pisses me off more then any Fire Emblem game because it's so close to being amazing but nothing in it is used properly.
There is some way to improve Awakening the issue is that you'd have to be locked until playing it in one way. IS has kinda explored it explored it but never to a great extent.
if the thread wasn't about to die I'd ask you to explain further but oh well.
Royals+Retainers just means there aren't many characters that are just "dude's that get caught up in the fighting", which is sad.
How Different would be "more or less change the entire 3 arcs of the story to better line up with eachother" in terms of Awakening, and for Fates i feel like you'd have to actually include some grey morality and get to explore more places that aren't just Hoshido and Nohr.
>Like there's no real way to improve the script of Awakening and Fates without drastically changing it
How different do you consider drastically changing it?
This is a good point, the turnover from units made it so there was no real reason to keep using units. As a consequence of that kind of playing, you only see the C supports before moving on, which are fairly bland. It's no wonder people didn't get invested as much.
The fact the writing is unsalvageable makes it worse, not better to me.
that's fair, it's just me giving up on the writing and thinking nothing of it rather then flat out hating it, Apathy might be worse than Hate but that's up to perspective.
Spine meltingly bad cringe dialog and writing (you literally have a homosexual party member that has an epic empowering speech fighting his evil conservative dad!) and ok gameplay
Funny since the egg criticized engage for this exact cringeworthy writing issue.
Stones and glass houses as they say
>Spine meltingly bad cringe dialog and writing (you literally have a homosexual party member that has an epic empowering speech fighting his evil conservative dad!)
Oh I think this may actually be just said writer projecting his own issues on being an ex-Jeowah's Witness lol.
I do think it's really funny that Mangs would try to pander to homosexuals and trannies despite being persona non grata in any leftie space after he got accused of rape
>you literally have a homosexual party member that has an epic empowering speech fighting his evil conservative dad!
the game paints him as a massive unlikable dickhead who wants to die and greatly rewards you for killing him THOUGH
I love you Mangs!
I know some people that passed up on Engage from how it looked. You fags can try to rationalize why it failed over and over, but the simple fact is that it didn't make a good impression from the moment images leaked.
The Xenoblade 2 effect.
Well yes making the mc look like a zoom zoom colgate yu gi oh side character wasn't very helpful.
>here is your map bro
>it's a ring, get it? Hahaha.
Legit lowest effort map in fe history. Even Fates tried harder.
>Even Fates tried harder.
Let's not get carried away. Their continent doesn't even have a name.
I'm starting to think that people are just starting to not even remember what the criticisms of Fates are anymore.
if you can't tell me where Notre Sagesse is on this map without looking it up you do not get to complain about muh heckin nameless continent
I don't get it. What's the logic of this statement?
that the continent not having a name doesn't mean there isn't worldbuilding, which is established multiple times across three different routes to anyone actually paying attention and not parroting youtuber jokes
Of course there isn't zero world building. The claim is that Engage's is better than Fates's, not how good each one is individually.
I think the criticism about world building is overdone, but the story criticism is pretty fair. Some of the narrative decisions are truly bizzare across the games. Like how despite wiping out whole castles of troops you will still have people talk about how Corrin never killed anyone. Etc.
I actually really dig the actual premise of Fates even if Revelations made it more contrived(throwing in a third game for the fullest lore after marketing the game as a dualistic choice was cringe and israelitey too)
You just made me lose 30 qi points, how fucking stupid can you be?
>ice tribe village is that far away from anywhere where there's snow
ok that's really funny
>the story criticism is pretty fair. Some of the narrative decisions are truly bizzare across the games.
there ain't no denying that no matter how drunk on the fates koolaid you are
I don't want to hear shit about this when the countries in Engage were just
>flower land
>manly warrior land
>evil land
>desert land
Bait. Fates literally looked like it ripped its map from Google.
>it's a ring,
sasuga
>Fates
You mean the same fates thats the only FE game to not even have goddamn name for its world? that WE STILL DON'T KNOW?
>He doesn't know about Fateslandia
Kek what a bitch
>Even Fates tried harder.
Engage derangement syndrome is real
The setting and the tone is vastly superior despite the flaws
Add also that casuals watched engage trailers and thought "this is a side title, 3H is a main one"
This. /feg/ complains about drab colors and less anime designs, but regular people didn't feel embarrassing while they were playing 3H in front of their friends.
regular people didn't play 3H in front of their friends
>/feg/ complains about drab colors and less anime designs, but regular people didn't feel embarrassing while they were playing 3H in front of their friends
People literally play bing bing wahoo in front of others all the time you doofus, the switch is literally a the most popular console currently on the market and even adults play shit like mario, kirby and pikmin
So why did Engage do so badly when it has colorful bing bing colors n shit?
Because it was advertised as a SRPG instead of whatever the fuck 3H was advertised as.
Mario Kirby and Pikmin aren't half VN's with cutscenes and support scenes spanning around 10-15 hours.
Engage's sales are in line with most popular FE entries except houses, which had a huge boost from personafags and normies, this isn't a gotcha
It's in line with Awakening because Fates was one game sold as two and that's not great considering Awakening came out a whole decade ago.
>Third best seller in the series flopped because???
Also you're pitching it against lifetime sales, even if Engage doesn't oursell fates (which used the pokemon gimmick to sell more) it's gonna be among the norm amongst top sellers with 3H still being the outlier
What's with the goalpost moving?
no
No no you don't get it, unless you oursell the literal outlier highest selling entry of the franchise you're a flop
If Engage is so forgettable why are 3HRTs so obsessed with it?
It's the power of Edelgard
I know it's a localization issue, but Engage got really hit hard with the cuck stick when it came to supports.
Entire supports that were clearly meant to end in romance have "friendship ring" memes and apart from maybe Ivy I don't think a single girl says "I love you" until the dlc.
>but romance simulat--
Seeing how the characters interact has always been part of the formula. The supports in Engage legitimately feel like they wildly veer between bad shakespear and a bored 18 year old secretary doodling ideas down.
There are a few gems
>female alear copying zelkov
>citrine and the rock thing
>anything involving ivy
But overall very mid to bad.
We need to bring eugenics back to fire emblem.
Zelkov's supports are underrated gems imo.
In particular his supports with Anna and Jean.
The last one is me.
I just think she looks neat, pretty good supports too
Apologies will now be accepted
Conquest followed by Engage are the most fun gameplay of the franchise, I have nothing to apologize about
I'm tired of pretend 3H's muddy and ugly as sin graphics and dead doll faced models looked any better than engage, also the story was overhyped garbage only personafag and ironic weebs pretend it's good because it's "deep and serious"
>I'm tired of pretend 3H's muddy and ugly as sin graphics and dead doll faced models looked any better than engage
If there's one claim that generally goes unchallenged is that Engage looks better than 3H so I'm not sure why you feel the need to pretend this.
It's still selling? Were there new numbers?
I don't want to play a game where most of it is "Hey remember character from this game you never played?" While Three Houses is a complete standalone experience so I didn't have to worry about that
>Real woman
>Good Opinion
>Good taste
Fire Emblem is not for you
Engage is a top 3 worst FE game.
top 3 best you mean
Best* ftfy
Defo top 3 best
The next game should feature 10-12year olds you can put in microbikinis, I would buy 1 copy for each dicky.
Cutesythea
Magical girl Lysithia will punish evil
only ever fire emblem I played was engage, why should I play this?
You played the anniversary game that celebrates the series first why?
why not
I liked the girls so I gave it a try
yes
3 is a lot more social sim, people unironically call it Persona Fire Emblem as both an insult and a compliment. Make of that what you will rhe gameplay itself is really shitty and bland, specially coming off engage, so it depends on how much you value that
That's 13, right?
I meant 3H* (three houses), not 3; my bad
id recommend conquest over 3h its more similar to engage
Conquest is gonna eat him alive as a newfag. Baptism by fire ig.
you can just play on hard
Hard is still pretty hard. Enemies are exactly as strong as they are on lunatic, there's just less of them and they have fewer skills. Conquest is just really different from all the other games and even experts of the series can have problems acclimating to it. In a lot of ways Conquest feels designed to specifically punish habits that most of the other games reinforce. It's a big part of why chapter 10 has the reputation it does.
Nta but I am going to confess that after 40 tries of the final level on Conquest I was finally forced to sacrifice Niles just to beat the game. Being unable to save between those two parts is brutal.
I really wanted to finish that last level without losing anyone. Shame.
I am a firm believer that lunatic endgame is not as difficult as most people say but it is undeniable that it does a very poor job of explaining the gimmicks and the ways to exploit them is not intuitive. No saving for that chapter is also complete and utter irredeemable horseshit
>is not as difficult as most people say
it most definitely is especially if you dont use good units like camilla
By endgame you have several units that are way better than camilla. Imo the real deciding factor for how hard that map is whether or not you have rescue to pull back whoever you have killing enfeeble maids.
I don't consider it that much more brutal than some of the other hoshidan chapters. I also admit I might just be simply wrong as fuck, but I'm not really sure what a good metric would be to prove how comfortably "doable" endgame is. The closest thing I could figure is a minimal my castle run where meals, reclassing, captures, and royals are banned.
It is genuinely brutal if you don't know anything about it beforehand. Good luck if you didn't capture enemy falcons or rallyman or if you ran out of important staves in the previous maps.
Lunatic endgame is doable without rescue skipping, but you have to know beforehand what you're going to go up against in order to properly deal with the standard reinforcements, faceless reinforcements, enemies on the map, enfeeble users, and Takumi's laser all at the same time. You need 2-3 dedicated nukes who can handle just about anything on player phase, a defensive 1-2 range unit (preferably Xander because Siegfried is insanely good and he has all the tools to make it work), at least 2 staff users, a bunch of your status staves ready to be used, preferably rallyman, and then the rest can be decent combat units. The trick is determining when it's the right time to move forward and take out a maid or hang back and let the enemies come to you. Sometimes you need to silence a maid, sometimes you need to entrap an enemy to get a formation to move, and sometimes you just have to wait it out until the situation is back under control. If you don't know what endgame is like you could have a team that just can't complete the map without a casualty.
Also just imagine this image is of male Corrin looking smart while wearing glasses because this is the only picture of male Corrin with glasses that I could find.
>The trick is determining when it's the right time to move forward and take out a maid or hang back and let the enemies come to you.
This is ultimately the crux of it and, admittedly very presumptuously on my end, the main part of endgame that people have difficulty with. It is an extremely easy map to get impatient and overextend on right when strong paired-up mixed damage units are coming out and presenting a big problem.
Well do you want a game or a visual novel with game aspects? Best three houses is the latter
did you like engage?
Not unless you enjoy videogames where no joke 1 third of your playtime is wasted by literal chores
If you're interested in Houses unironically just watch a no commentary playthrough of it, you're literally not gonna be missing any big part of the experience since the gameplay is the last of that game's priorities
Ivy
As someone who has Engage as my favorite FE, I think 3H is worth a playthrough. I care for gameplay much more than story but I did enjoy my time with it, even if I ended up hating the Monastery and probably got burned out by doing routes back to back. Like
says you can just watch a playthrough but I think there are some parts that hit nicely because you are playing and experiencing it first hand.
3H benefitted somewhat from Corona-chan shutting everything down. Everyone had the time to do the routes back to back with not much else to do.
Corona happened a whole year later anon, with the DLC releasing some months before that. I'd buy it. I'd buy the argument for Animal Crossing but not for this one.
True, but in my case I probably would have benefited from taking a break, after finishing my 3rd playthrough I got tired of it. Maybe one day I'll come back and do Silver Snow. I do have other games I want to play before though.
3H has the most tranny appeal. It's literally Harry Potter -esque femslop. Ofc it will sell well.
If I get Engage, is it a game I play, stop and then comeback later?
Imagine being so mindbroken the only thing on your mind 24/7 is a game you irrationally hate
That's literally just oneguy though. I have a feeling it may also be the same as colgatefag back from when the game was leaked. He sure does seem to have a very specific and weird fixation on Engage.
Ah, young love.
I like her a lot, cute smelly wolf
Because Engage ranges anywhere from okay to fucking awful in just about every category, leaning hard toward fucking awful.
>okay to fucking awful in just about every category
It's not our fault you're the sort of nagger so bitterly obsessed that you can't acknowledge the things the game does really well, namely Gameplay and Animations
>to fucking awful in just about every category, leaning hard toward fucking awful.
You guys have never actually played a bad game if you think Engage is a bad one.
I know it's hard for the mind rotted Engagelets to understand, but you can criticize certain parts of a game while liking other parts of it. Learn to be less prickly with criticism instead of squirting shit paste down your legs whenever someone makes an attack.
That post didn't offer any criticism at all, it just took a big fat piss.
>"Engage does literally everything either ok or badly! "
>"No the things it does really well don't count,!! No one's saying all of it is bad ok"
Are you actually retarded or did you miss the post I was responding to?
>saying that it does some things ok is not a valid statement
>I rather rant like a schizo rather than acknowledge engage did absolutely anything right
>gamplay
good
>music
good
>visuals
good imo but I can admit its a mixed
bag
>characters
silly/fun
>story
simple/bad
Id say its pretty damn good
The only people I've seen call Engage bad in all areas is deranged storyfags, some people legitimately don't care about gameplay
>61 posters
Why is that schizo so obsessed with Fire Emblem and Xeboblade?
There's a few schizos who are obsessed with Engage (see the OP), whether or not they're actually 3H fags or just falseflagging we can't know
Claude's iconic character trait.
I have never met a single Claud fan irl
Like I appreciate how active his VA is in the community, really I do, but everyone I know is either for Dmitri or Edelgard.
Ended up with Golden Deer in my first run because it had the most cast I was interested in, Claude is still probably the weakest Lord of the three in terms of writing but he grew on me enough that I like him more than the other two
It's easy to see why people are split on Claude in such a weird way, 3H Claude is the most milk toast whitebeard (heh) lord ever despite all the schemer talk
I honestly like Claude after Hopes came out and made it more clear that He's actually a psychopath that only cares about his own Agenda, and the only reason why he's so whitebread in Houses is due to that He had that Extra year to actually hang around other people and learn more about the world around him. People who don't like him after Hopes are those fence sitters who didn't want to side with Dimitri, or Edelgard.
Holy shit. My one argument against Claude was that I felt he was really boring in terms of the plot and didn't really do anything. I might actually like Hope's Claude.
Yep, gonna give it a play after my Engage run. I don't really care for musou games but I'll give it a shot.
you can even see it in other routes, I think my favorite example is when you play as the Empire and he breaks off the Alliance that you two made earlier in the game, if you have the other Deer characters chat with him he has some real spiteful comments to them, I'm not sure which is worse between telling Igantz that "We weren't friends, we were class mates, and I see is a traitorous lackey", Raphael's "I don't care about your sister, I'm not going to lose even if it means killing you" or Marianne's "your dad is going to be angry at me after I kill you, oh well~"
This man has absolute no fucking chill or loyalties under certain conditions and it just highlights that he actually did have character development in Houses.
Claude having a ruthlessly ambitious/treacherous streak has always been a thing. You see glimpses of it even in 3E. The guy wants what he wants.
Not really sure why some people seem to regard him as a dude weed wholesome libertarian or whatever when he outright says several times he's a plotter by nature
I just wish he was a competent schemer who didn't regurgitate Edelgard's talking points without even doing the slightest bit of critical thinking.
Because that's how be was unironically memed.
I'm a fan of the Golden Deer House, don't really care for Claude himself.
Although I'm hearing Claude's in Hopes is a disaster, kinda makes me want to experience it. Might give it a try after I finish up my newest Engage run.
Chris Hackney loves his character almost too the fault. In 2021 Treehouse did a series of interviews with the various voice actors from three houses. And Chris Hackney actually had to correct the interviewer and tell him that Dimitri isn't a fucking villain
>Interview Owl: I was wondering, if Byleth hadn't been around after the time skip do you think Dimitri would have continued his career of villainy or would he have ever gotten back on the right foot without the professor's aid?
>Chris Hackney: I don't see Dimitri as a villain. At all. You know he's doing bad things but he's trying to do them for the right reasons. You know that's kind of a very human thing to do. Especially considering what he'd been through in his life. You know he's trying to make amends, he's trying to do this for people that he's loved and lost.
>52:07
Also he did an LP of the Blue Lions route where he roasted every character other than Byleth and his own
>0:20
> I love all people. Claude isn't people
It's Claude's va a Lions fan that got shit on by Edelnaggers because he called her evil? I'd call him based but then he rolled over like a bitch after that blowback
Go back to your fucking general
Not until this website is denied to all of Canada.
>"Video games?! On MY Ganker?!!!!"
I drank too much and now I can't play FE
what are you drinking fag
Unironically
at least it's not natty light you get to live for today dog
Three Houses lets me bang sexy hags
Engage doesn't let me bang sexy hags
Simple as
Amazing how when Engage came out, people are pretending the story in FE doesn't matter.
If it didn't, why isn't Fates regarded as one of the "good" FE games?
it is
>Engagefags lack reading comprehension
Of course
?? Anon is asking "if the story didn't matter then why isn't Fates regarded as a good game?", but it is.
Fates was shit on because of its story, among other things but I digress
And while the gameplay was good, it couldn't and didn't make up for it being dumb as fuck or Revalations being ass. And was often grouped with Awakening for the "bad" 3DS era.
Any attempt to say otherwise, is blatant historical revisionism
Pretty much the entire gameplayfag half of the fanbase (or half without 3H flooded us with persona fags) either likes or loves conquest, again a sizeable portion of the fanbase considers conquest the best Fe game because while you can skip a bad story, you can't skip terrible gameplay
I'm going to be straight, there is no FE game with "bad" gameplay. Underwhelming and underbaked baked gameplay maybe, but no game is straight up "bad".
Having good gameplay shouldn't be stand out, it should be the norm. What makes and breaks each FE game is its plot and characters, it's why Heroes makes money hand and fist, the whole central gimmick of the franchise has always been "take care of your troops and get good at the game or else they die forever"
Gayden, 4, 6, PoR (its braindead easy even on hard), RD (Rich get richer characters stats), Awakening, Revelations, Gayden demake and 3HRT.
no FE with bad gameplay my ass.
>Brings up Revelations out of no where
You people are really gonna have to accept that Fates is 3 separate games(unlike 3H's illusion of routes) so of course the default talking point here is Conquest and we've all made that clear while you just keep saying "Fates"
>You people are really gonna have to accept that Fates is 3 separate games
looooooooooooooooool
Are you going to say Pokemon Red and Blue are "different" games next?
there's no way
I'm starting to get the feeling you didn't actually play either fate game
to be fair most people here don't play birthright or revelations, they just play conquest 9000 times because it's the only good version.
That's called having a different route you dipshits. The game is still 80 - 90% the same. Granted I'm willing to bet that was more out of the fact the 3DS couldn't handle a game that big on it, but still, it's 2 versions of the same package, 2 different modes even.
Nobody fucking calls Birthright, Conquest, and Revelation FE14, 15, and 16
>That's called having a different route you dipshits. The game is still 80 - 90% the same
You're so fucking wrong, dude. There's no way you played all three routes and aren't baiting right now.
>No argument
True. I'm not even here to argue it was bad, but to say they're different games altogether is fucking inane
Of course they share elements but to compare them to fucking Pokemon versions of all things is actually insane and shows you didn't play them or even watched a playthrough of them.
Because they're the same fucking game, it's just different routes carved into two parts and the "true ending" being locked behind a DLC paywall.
Have you played any other RPG with a choice system before?
Fates reused a lot of maps and assets so it wouldn't actually be that difficult putting it all into one cartrige minus the pre-rendered scenes.
They were just being greedy lol
At the same time you are arguing with oneguy intent on claiming its ok for Conquest to be a half-VN with a dogshit story because he feels playing rock paper scissors on a grid is extremely complex.
>he feels playing rock paper scissors on a grid is extremely complex.
As if we needed more proof 3H fags don't even like FE
No, we just enjoy games that came out prior to Conquest.
Do red and blue have completely different story/maps/objectives /design philosophy /characters/bosses?
As someone who actually liked playing those games, the 3 game system was a scam. Needing to buy all three for the lore was insulting, especially given how baby tier Birthrights maps are.
Well they are separate games, they were sold separately too, so it makes sense. It's not really fair to compare them to three houses routes, considering you got all of them for just buying the game
Conquest is literally lauded as one of the best FE games by a sizable portion of the fanbase despite it's story being the worst of the franchise
conquest is the best game in the series what are you talking about
How new are you? Conquest is known as the game to play while pressing start to skip the garbage story.
It's the same thing that happened with Fates.
Which makes sense, considering like 90% of Engage fans are also Fates fans.
i didnt even realize ninian died
Did you at least realize Nils is a boy? Or did you plow his bussy not knowing?
yeah i think that was pretty obvious
I membah Lyn's story and Nino wanting to kill mommy then it all becomes a blur
How?
press Start to play
Engage is hot sweaty ass, that's how. Even with all of its faults, Three Houses was still an earnest attempt at making a full-fledged mainline game with a compelling story.
>game
visual novel*
(You)
(with terrible gameplay, half your playtime being wasted on monastery chores and legitimately bad writing that people only gush over by using headcanons btw)
The problem with Engage is that its marketing felt like if it was some kind some secondary special entry like if it were a warriors game
It was literally supposed to come out as a goofy anniversary game, they just missed the date because of covid so they didn't even attend advertising it like that
There are number of issues with that excuse. Awakening was an anniversary game too but still managed to intergrate the series fanservice gracefully and wasn't just "hey member this".
Also we have Heroes now, which is basically that, so there's no need for them to go full goofy self pat on the back mode
And finally, a quarter of the franchise STILL isn't offically localized, and another quarter were and still are dead locked on dead consoles and Nintendo refuses to re-release, and half of those didn't do that great to begin with.
It was a mistake on all fronts. And frankly did far better in spite of all that. Basically riding on the goodwill of what 3H and Heroes to an extent made for it;
>"hey member this".
>Lucina dressing up as Marth
>Tiki
>Random Deadlords
>Priam talking about Ike
>The whole Einherjar system where its literally just the past games' characters
What part of "gracefully" didn't you understand? For a game they thought was going to be their last and celebrate the franchise why shouldn't they bring up the literal first game and make it important to the plot?
How is just randomly having Deadlords and Priam in anyway "graceful"?
And what exactly did Tiki do for the plot? She just existed and then??
Thanks for dodging context. Lucina disguised herself as Marth because she hasn't been conceived yet. Once she's born she can safely reveal herself. It's an Easter egg for Marth but since the actual Marth existed as her heroic ancestor it makes sense for her to reference him.
Also the extra ghost characters exist as disconnected DLC. Not as a core part of the narrative.
>wasn't just "hey member this".
Oh nononono nonon no noAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Do you people just lack any sense of nuance?
>There's only three games that never made it west. 4,5 and 6.
And 2, techincally, but I digress. That still doesn't excuse them, espeically when those are arguablely some of the most hightly regarded games in the franchise.
And that still doesn't change the most of the franchise is locked on dead consoles and didn't do that well on them, so a large amount of people haven't played them
>Do you people just lack any sense of nuance?
Nuance doesn't just mean "I arbitrary decide what pandering fanservice is ok and what pandering fanservice isn't"
I wasn't denying it wasn't fanservice you dumbass. Just that it was done tastefully and had a reason to exist.
There's a difference from having Lucina disguised as Marth to conceal her identity to her parents, to having a fucking magic ring that summons ghost Marth and having him do extra special attacks with you.
>tastefully and had a reason to exist.
Sounds arbitrary, did you play awakening when you were 10? This reeks of nostalgia googles
>Still no arguement.
I see where this is going, this is my last (You) I'm giving
>Person with a non-argument wants an argument in response
Believe it or not your subjective definition of "tasteful" is irrelevant to everyone else
>Awakening was an anniversary game too but still managed to intergrate the series fanservice gracefully and wasn't just "hey member this".
nigga what
>And finally, a quarter of the franchise STILL isn't offically localized, and another quarter were and still are dead locked on dead consoles and Nintendo refuses to re-release, and half of those didn't do that great to begin with.
There's only three games that never made it west. 4,5 and 6.
Lyndis' Legion had such a peak cozy vibe for me. Very peak.
Probably my favorite squad of mates.
I feel you, a lot of 7's later melodrama didn't do it for me. If I could get that feel with Hector included it'd be the perfect comfy game.
well it was written by your lovely kohei trooneda
schizobro...
retarded nagger bro....
trannybro...
dilate
Ok boomer
I think the setting and world-building is the most underrated aspect of 3H
I enjoyed all the different noble houses and their respective positions and goals
The character writing was also really strong. Most of the units have very clearly defined backstories, motivations, ideals, and good character development through their supports.
>"Man that last game was a huge success! Even though we had to rush it and launch the game unpolished the story and characters made it a huge hit that sold better than ever!"
>"So let's go ahead and half ass the next game's story and chracters"
Literally unironically without fucking jest why the ever living fuck
Is this some Japanese culture thing I dont understand
They were developed at similar times, Engage was supposed to come out sooner but they missed the deadline if I'm not mistaken.
Unironically 3H was meant to be a filler title as a throwback to the old fans while Engage was meant to be the shiny new game that created even more newfags.
I'm starting to wonder if naggers you like FE at all.
I want fire emblem to let me breed super soldiers again.
I do I just hate 3h fans not even the game itself
I like Fire emblem 3,4,6,7, 8, CQ and Engage
I dislike 2,awakening, echos, Rev and 3H
Simple as
As a Xenochad who truly hates 2 coomers, I can relate with you FEfags about how you feel about 3Htrannies
2 is actually good though
What's wrong with 2? I've never played Xenoblade before but I'm curious.
Soon you will start to see them/they units soon you homosexuals.
I don’t like 3h. I prefer the other games,
3 Houses successfully tapped into the female market with the 3 characters in picrel and the focus on relationships. Engage is just for juvenille strategy dweebs.
Once again women ruin everything
Mercedes is such a sweetheart
Remember when that one moleman trapped Byleth in some sort of wormhole and then s/he immediately broke out
😀
Engage unironically put me off with its God awful vtuber character design.
>Awakening is a fantastic game story wise
sure tranny I bet you cried so hard when chrom sister did a hero.
can't we all agree to fire this woman already?
Kohei trooneda: suck my dick stupid gaijin.
Nope. There's a possibility that for some reason modern FE games can't have great gameplay and great story, so as a gameplayfag I hope she stays on.
I'll change my mind if a modern FE game with great gameplay and great story is made, but I haven't seen that yet.
Engage hate threads aren't even that bad compared to before. As an Engage fan I actually prefer them as opposed to those fucking awful Steam Deck threads.
The hate stean for Engage is unironically dying out here on Ganker because tortanic schizos are too busy crying about the most recent big releases, that only leaves a few anti-engage schizos here like OP
>Steam Deck threads
Holy shit my sides. Fr though you're not wrong.
why would a gameplay fag care about who's in charge of the story?
Like I said, there might be a possibility that for some reason modern FE games either have great gameplay or great story. I'm just acting in my interests here.
But like here's the thing buddy, the story people working on the game, are not the gameplay people working on the game.
gameplay fags literally lose nothing by changing the writing people, why oppose throwing out garbage writers when the not garbage gameplay people would still be hired? I do not understand you beyond "Let's give this same team of writers a 4th chance"
Sure logically that makes sense but the ""better"" the story is the worse the game has been
Because they (he) are secretly obsessed with one or two female characters and like the dating VN approach as a context for the gameplay. Le deep strategic game design is just a cover.
I'm the guy you replied to, and I just want to tell you I'm just yanking your chain bro. Obviously I'm aware that the gameplay and writing teams are different. The joke was that the post I replied to asked if anybody was opposed to firing Kumuro, and I objected not because I thought her writing is good, but the opposite. Kinda like in sports when a team's fans are disappointed that their rival fires a bad head coach and jokingly act disappointed.
>noooo u cannot like something I dun like
Go play toothpaste game if you want to and hand your gf a friendship ring
The only people who point to Komuro are no different than the retards who scapegoat that kid who played Anakin for ruining the prequels.
Now I know why I loved Awakening, Engage and Code Name S.T.E.A.M (im not joking), maybe i should gite a try to those other games
>daylight savings is over meaning the day is longer
>it's only Tuesday
>and I'm all out of alcohol
I'm not gonna make it.
S-sisters this was supposed to be a pro-3 houses thread what happened????
>Colgate product placement
What did Walmart's invasion do for the overall plot of Awakening
Fire Emblem's biggest filler arc in the whole series.
shut da fuck up
Tastefull Gaiden reference :^)
According to Awakeningfags it was to "close out Chrom's development" but they arguably could have done that by jumping straight to Grima.
Show that Alm and Celica's efforts were in vain.
Awakening makes no since to be the same world's as Martha I don't feel like having this argument again
Let's all be friends, please....
NO! YOU MUST CHOOSE YOUR PATH! 3H OR ENGAGE!
I forget did the crossover characters from awakening also get elf ears when they shifted dimensions? Idr.
Only Corrin has them.
ZAPPY!!
Any nonnies itt?
What are you looking at Dimitri
My future wife.
Remember when edeltroons went mald when their shitty walking abortion girl boss was mind controlled by chad Thales and she was saved by dimitri and became a braindead child in 3 copes?
Yeah that was a funny arc. Waifufagging can really skew people's perception on things.
>have such great gameplay
>use the same fates writer as fateswakening and somehow do an even worse job
How is she still fucking employed?
Just played and beat both PoR and RD after someone said engage was shit and to play a real FE
i'm angry because they were right. the RD supports were dogshit but damn the characters and story were really good, and that music, and all the variance in map design and victory conditions.
fuck man i even liked the furries by about halfway through por.
why did they stop trying? this felt like a grand epic in comparison to the absolute writing slop of engage.
it felt like what three houses was trying to, but failed to be.
also i wish they'd make a return to that base system, im so fucking tired of the walkable bases it makes replaying games a chore.
like damn now it feels like everything else is so much worse after playing these. where do i even go from here? replay engage with the "all cutscene and dialogue skip" mod? christ what a tragic condition this series is in.
>it felt like what three houses was trying to, but failed to be.
That's FE4, sort of.
>here do i even go from here?
Read Sophocles and eventually try to come up with something that captures that classic FE feel, I guess.
>OH MY BLOOD PACTS AND COMICALLY EVIL SENATE
blood pact stuff was pretty shoehorned yeah
senate being comically evil didn't bother me much, being corrupt for the purpose of governing power and acting like spoiled rich kids with nearly no humanity just kind of worked for what the story was going for, and made the more interesting antagonists stand out more.
Plus if they weren't like that we wouldn't have Oliver.
idk i kind of enjoyed the racism, it added to the characterizations of certain people like soren especially. I kind of thought zihark just being a full on furry simp was weird though.
also race war was pretty neat.
It didn't feel like a pandering "racism bad! only good guys aren't racist!" pushover narrative, like it actually had moments and attempts at being complicated which was nice coming from the more modern games. I don't think you can just have racism in a setting without there being tropes though so like, i get not liking it being there i guess.
>Muh blood pact
>muh racism
Also this smells like a big stinky falseflag
>Louis let's conquer Fodlan, ok?
>Sommie and Somniel will lend aid provided they take the Adrestrian Empire's capital.
Sommie is Celine's simp how cute
Sommie is doing it for the sole reason of making Edelgard seethe when he sits on that throne and drags his butt on it.
Notice how they (he) always fail to bring up Thracia or FE6 and the conversation always orbits around Awakening, Conquest and Engage.
What are we talking about now? I just played fe6 recently and started tracia
I know you're trying to get some retarded gotcha but even most of the actual FE Fandom both pre-Houses and pre-Awakening hasn't played Thraccia
Fatigue filtered me.
Really? I never found it to be a big deal. It pretty much just means you'll occasionally have to rest your staffbots because they have low HP (which determines how easily they get fatigued). Maybe it might be an issue in an ironman but I never really struggled with it in my non-ironman run(although I can understand it leaving a bad taste in your mouth just mechanically).
Reminder it was RD that poisoned the well with all that homosexual homosexualrism (also it was written by a woman go figure)
GIWTWM
storyfags be like i demand a gritty realistic hogwarts game of thrones war chronicle from the writers of paper mario and warioware on my fischer price tablet and will accept no substitute
The overcompensation will be funny.
I think it's funny, because even if the next non-remake tries and fails gloriously to be better written and more "serious" gameplayfags are more likely to enjoy it than storyfags because we're 100% carrying the fates/engage gameplay trend onwards. So basically unless Koei Tecmo gets pulled in again gameplayfags can't lose
you say the same thing and then Idiot systems decided to make that garbage gayden demake as faithful as possible and with that horrible gameplay made 3HRT maybe we will return to park your juggernaut on a forest title and solo the game.
It says a lot that this is the quality of anti-gameplay posts. Why are you even here?
Go play or read something that actually interests you.
At this point, I think that just about any other studio could pull it off, except for IS. Because IS is filled with writers who are very juvenile.
>director-san, pepor didn't rike Engeeji very much, it sord very bad
>we made the game too comprexu!! need to wateru down the nexto gimmicku
Please no. As a gameplayfag I'm fearing that the situation in your post will happen.
No problem bro. Feel free to ask here for recommendations for if you want to play another FE. There's a lot of garbage in these threads but it's nice when we can help someone enjoy the games.
Play it for the gameplay? Silly anon, we don't play FE for the gameplay, we play it in some sort of convoluted and retarded plan to have barebones dating sim mechanics with the front of a strategy game (don't you know strategy gamers are so much cooler than dating sim players?).
>But surely you can just play a dating sim
No, that would make sense. We act in ways that anger old FE players out of spite even if they don't make sense or are completely contradictory. Get with the program.
>We act in ways that anger old FE players out of spite
Silly anon, we ARE the old FE players or at least pretend to be when we start internet arguments
Ah right, my bad brother. I haven't pretended to play FE4 in a while so it slipped my mind.
I'd say Conquest is the closest comparison, for better or worse.
Thanks anons. I can't tell who's shitposting or not on this site nowadays.
gameplays projecting about being awakening babbies yet again
>So basically unless Koei Tecmo gets pulled in again gameplayfags can't lose
for as much as there is to criticize 3H's gameplay, i don't think it's unreasonable to expect KT to improve if they got another attempt in. compared to the rest of the genre, 3H isn't THAT offensive. if anything, i find how the game is optimized to be way more amateurish
>If I imagine them being mad, and hating it, it MUST be true! Everyone else is wrong!
The personafags 3H pulled in are gonna be really hard to reteain in the best of cases, and we all know next FE won't be the best of cases
>The personafags 3H pulled in are gonna be really hard to reteain
That should be retain, but good.
They're already enough of a plague on any fire emblem discussion to begin with, they can fuck off.
Enage sold less than 3H, and for as much shit as IS is given, I think they'll learn from the misakes from both and make the next game a true step up in both direactions.
Maybe I'm just being naively opmistic but I'm holding onto to hope
>I think they'll learn from the misakes from both and make the next game a true step up in both direactions.
>Laughs at fates and their attempt to write a good plot.
idiots will get what they deserve
>and make the next game a true step up in both direactions.
I almost hope not.
I used to hope they'd appease everyone, but I don't think that's the right idea anymore.
Appeasing non gameplay fags means tacking on tons of annoying shit, and I don't at all trust them to not just make it mandatory or very encouraged to go do stupid minigames and side dialogue and tea time and cooking and party time with your students, I mean soldiers, and whatever other crap baggage they want to throw in the game.
The problem is when you try and throw in too much shit it all dilutes the other elements, make a tea party social sim game and make a fire emblem game, you make a mediocre compromise on either when you try and smash them together.
That is the lazy way out and you damn well know it.
It's not lazy, it's practical.
I don't buy these games for tea time and fake socializing, it's wasted development time and they've shown themselves to be incapable of balancing that and what I actually enjoy in the games.
Fuck off and find your own series of games, or better, make your own.
Prove me wrong, make your own fucking game that does both and doesn't fail both aspects in the process.
That's how farmers think
I'll be here whenever you have an argument, or maybe I'll have found something better to do by then.
Because Fire Emblem, the goddamn fantasy war franchise has never dealt with the politics of its setting.
keeeeek true
Is Engage's season pass as badly implemented as I keep reading online? first time playing FE and having a pretty good time but I'm wondering if I should get the season pass or not, some like it some hate it.
Don't its fucked up how 3HRT does the dlc better.
I'm going to skip it then, thank you, shame about it but looking forward to playing more of the series in the future.
I'd say get it if you want to get even more out of your Engage.
Genuinely not worth the money unless you really like the idea of having 10~ extra battles for your maddening playthrough or if you've played the base game enough that the idea of new emblems Hispanicing up a new run sounds appealing.
I love Engage and I can't defend the shitty DLC system, probably the worst implemented DLC yet (and the probably is just because I can't remember the other game's DLC systems).
Awakening opened the floodgates for Nintendo and annoying DLC practices.
the player character of Three Houses doesn't look like a tube of Crest toothpaste, for starters. that probably helped.
Female Byleth looks even worse than Alear, don't even kid yourself. She only got a pass because of her hilariously huge rack.
Femleth's issue is that Chinatsu is shit at drawing female main characters, though I have a sneaking suHispanicion that they made her default oufit like that just to sell you the decent outfits.
OP is a man of class.
the only issue with 3H is that the only romanceable e-boi is your tulpa that you can't actually fuck
If you consider Sothis a e-boi that means Flyan counts too
Sounds like a "you" issue my dawg
You're the only person in this thread who is actually right
don't worry your e-bois will be extra censored and aged up dumb goyim.
Nice
People really do be forgetting about how the 3DS' DLCs worked
I play FE for the gameplay btw
radiant dawn mentioned
Daily reminder that Fire Embelm started at Awakening, don't believe anything else
Daily reminder that Engage removed the dating sim part and that's why it flopped
Nah, it's still there but no one really cares about it. I've come across some yume who said that they weren't interested in the dudes because they were all homos.
Making everyone bisexual in at least some supports really fucked with the waifu/husbando audience. Ironic cause 3H was able to tap into the twitter persona crowd because of the bisexual Edelgard and Dorothea coomers
Fujoshits don't actually like homo characters. That's why they don't care for Lindhardt, Yuri, Jeritza, or Miles. They claim that want more homos to look good on Twitter but the truth is that they hate canon homo because it means that they can't make up shit about the relationship.
I hate this notion that "FE's plot was always bad" shit that's been popping more since Engage has released.
I don't remember this ever being a talking point
common for awakeningbabs
Yeah, because RD, Thracia, SS, and 3H are totally the same game
It was never THIS bad, or outspoken
>SS
>uhhhhh it's demons not dragons so doesn't count!!
3 games out of almost 20 having notable stories is not a good track record
>Engage was legitimately the worst dialogue I’ve ever seen since the original Resident Evil in 96.
then you live under a rock
>then you live under a rock
no just didn't play Awakening
It started long before Engage, newfag
Awakening babies think that Awakening is the standard for FE.
Which is it? Is Awakening plot "shit" and not worth talking about? Or is the standard for FE games?
You can say the same for most video game plots, but FE's aren't typically dogshit. They're about was what you can expect from JRPGs of their ilk
>You can say the same for most video game plots
I agree but fe tends to be extremely bog standard even 3h the story people love to jerk off so much I felt like it was just all right
>Which is it? Is Awakening plot "shit" and not worth talking about? Or is the standard for FE games?
It's shit and not worth talking about compared to other FE games.
It's never been particularly good besideslike 1 or 2 outliers, if someone asked me what games had good stories fe would never cross my mind
Engage has the absolute worst of this fanbase acting up hard. It's mostly Awakening/Fates zoomies thinking Fire Emblem started with the game they played first.
is the only acceptable way to play engage if you don't know japanese pirating and uncensoring it?
So is Engage unironically bad in all aspects? Or is like Conquest with a bad story and coom-tier characters, but really fun gameplay?
the prior
rings just break the game too much
Nope, just a few jilted 3H mongs who reply to each other like /misc/ bots
You're trying too hard. Even if you were to say Engage has good gameplay, the story and dialogue is god-fucking-awful, and beyond the very first and most rudimentary entries in the series, those things have always been important to good Fire Emblem.
Anon, you're either new or being willfully ignorant if you can't pick up the ridiculous samehomosexualry that goes on in these threads.
The maps are okay, kind of good at the beginning but a little bland, the challenge maps are very fun.
The gameplay is fairly good if you don't mind the gimmick this time, I think they did the best job at handling bosses in fire emblem that they ever have, but it's a bit overshadowed by the fact that they reuse the same characters as bosses way too much.
The story is okay at best and cringey and offensively bad at worst.
The setting is almost entirely ignored, don't expect deep or complex lore.
It does a lot of the things I wanted it to, but it's too weighed down by stupid nufe monestary shit and a poorly fleshed out setting and bad story. If you can just ignore those parts and enjoy the good parts of it, it does have some things worth enjoying.
You all should stop pretending you didn't start playing Fire Emblem because Nintendo meme'd you with melee
I got into FE7 as a Christmas gift when I was in middle school out of nowhere because someone thought I might like it. Stop projecting.
My brother got me sacred stones I didn't even realize it was the same series
>Thread looks like it's just going to be absolutely full of cancerous shitflinging based on OP
>There is some, but it's actually one of the more decent recent FE threads
I don't think I'll ever understand FE threads. Anyway thanks for the conversations bros.
Engage should have been all generics and no cutscenes.
Make it a reality. Engage is incredibly easy to mod.
No I like the characters
>
Engage characters are legitimately in line with tge average set by games with supports, the big issue is honestly reusing the royals + retainers structure
I actually would have liked that more not that good characters and plot don't add to the games.
Iron Emblem did great with something similar to that.
As the numbers pile in I’m starting to feel more and more sorry for engage fans. It takes a special type of person to ignore the blatant and obvious shortfalls. I just hope we get better going forward.
Getting stepped on by Lady Rhea's divine soles
Yeah FEggot emblem is the pinnacle of vidya stories- Gankerermins
just ignore
>the retarded plan of Rudolf in FE2
>the absolute state of Gotoh in FE3
>Julius and Manfroy not murdering Julia not that Seliph needs her because he has his fathers plot armor.
>how you repair a soul in FE6
>why didn't Nergal teleport and murder eliwood and pals
>why didn't Lyon teleport and murder the twins
>Blood pacts it also ruins FE9 btw lol
>OH KRIS LET ME SUCK YOUR FUCKING DICK
>Awakening and their friendship shounen shit tier of plot
>Fates enough said
>Gayden again but with voice acting and grima cameo lmao
>Bylat "ashen demon" coldsteel and his reset powers lmao
hypocrites
Remove Byleth and 3H would be astronomically better
removing the persona protag for fragile self inserters?
instant bankruptcy
I feel like fire emblem feels to basic in its gameplay. All classes, while distinct, don't do enough to differentiate them from others. Say what you will about ff tactics, but the job system in that is really fun to mess around with, and despite having more classes than fire emblem, they feel much more distinct from one another. I find that character building is a bit dull when playing engage/3houses
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KILL ALL THE 3HTRANNIES
I kneel