Kill the Force.

Kill the Force.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't understand why she wanted Exile to fight her to the death. "Hurr you just must, or you will have learned nothing"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I still don't understand why she wanted Exile to fight her to the death. "Hurr you just must, or you will have learned nothing"
      i have 2 theories
      1. you are her last little bit of hope and if you beat her you prove her wrong
      2. the story is unfinished

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3. rule of two

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did not exist at this point.
          Also that pic is fucked.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Did not exist
            lmao, Revan made the rule of two.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Revan conceived the Rule but never implemented or taught it while he was alive.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was basically the Palpatine Rule of Two. That is: You, your main henchman, and then a bunch of losers you don't even train to throw bodies at your problems.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She's the betrayer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a "suicide by cop" situation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cause she was the antithesis of what she believed in. She was all about the balance and discarding hypocrisy, yet she was a full blown sith who embraced the dark side completely. She knew she had to die to achieve her philosophy. She taught you everything she could to set you on the right path, and uses you to correct her ideals. She killed the council because they wanted to cage you and Revan your mind to try and lobotomize you to the Light side again, and if that didn't work they would just kill you. The Masters were being hypocritical to the Jedi code, and they were perverting what was left of the Order and you, using the Light side as an excuse, so she got rid of them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The biggest antithesis to Kreia is the game itself, because it locks you in bullshit affinity and influence systems, without providing an alternative that follows Kreia's philosophy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          congratz anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She is thirsting after you but is smart enough to know she is too old so suicide by you is the Best option for her

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is your final test, and she your final obstacle.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because kotor2 is literally just shadow the hedgehog of the franchise.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Filtered.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you beat her you prove her ideals were right and you bury the old Jedi and Sith and their teachings. She literally says she loves you for doing it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was definitely when the story jumped the shark. It would have been perfect without the overdramatic "kill the force" shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. learnt nothing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TSLRM doesn't restore the atris as traya option
      only team gizka did it, but that shit is lost to the ages

      always felt that was the more kino and loreful option

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She wanted to get rid of the past to start anew. Despite her philosophy being about the true lesson of strength to being able to let go of power/the Force, she couldn't do it. She had the Exile kill the Jedi Masters and the Sith, which had to include herself. Ironically, getting the Sith killed achieves Balance, which serves the will of the Force. Even in defiance, Kreia did the Force's bidding.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can be a sith yourself and still do what she wants.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Kreia kills the Exile at Malachor the resulting echo would effectively (although not actually) kill the Force in the galaxy, or at least deafen all living things to it. This would have probably killed trillions of living things but the survivors, like the Exile, would live a life free from the influence of the Force and the galaxy would ultimately be better for it (in Kreia's mind).
      If Kreia is killed by the Exile at Malachor, all future Jedi and Sith will ultimately derive their philosophy from the teachings of the Exile who learned to live life free from the Force's influence, and so Kreia can have hope for a future in which the wielders of the force can evolve to become more than mere tools of its influence.
      She wins either way, but as she says, it could all be a massive sad cope too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She probably thought something along the lines of

      >poor is the pupil that doesn’t surpass his master

      That's the gist of it. Killing her was just another one of her lessons. Say what you want about Revan but she's an effective teacher.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars? Do people really like that stuff? Like 2 good movies and 3 very funny ones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >do people really like this massively popular thing that everyone likes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      some of the games are great, magic men with cool beam swords will always be good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kotor 1 and 2 btfo the movies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I bet you watch anime and play gay little japanese RPGs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I bet you watch anime and play gay little japanese RPGs
        *Ahem* Mind explaining this? KEK

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            post the jedi rock

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we lalafel names now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ram jamoram
            >moron woman
            WHOOOOOOAAAH BLACK BETTY BAMBALAM

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The games have always been the only good thing about Star Wars. Every single one of the the movies are shit and always have been shit.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, master

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why should I? reason it out with me, old woman.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Do a playthrough where I actually try to follow her teachings to the letter
    >she's still dissapointed at me in the end
    idgi, is there no Kreia route or did I mess up somewhere?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poor brainlet. Her teachings basically tell you to go your own way. That includes disagreeing with her and her teachings.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >go your own way
        but the game won't let me. She either scolds med for being a jedi, a sith or her simp

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah thats the problem with game design, only so many options.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are there any examples of this in other games, where they blatantly fuck with you if you try maximise dialogue amd reputation like this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't remember a single conversation, where you are forced to lose influence with her. Don't confuse her challenging your choices as scolding.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she actively tells you not to do this kek this game is so based

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She wants you to make your own choices, BUT and this is where most retards get pissed off or confused, she wants you to make them for your own reasons, not because you are following someone else's teaching (in-game narratively, because you get bing bing wahoo light side or dark side points).

      She's basically Nietzsche and is trying to teach you master morality. Because the exile turned away from the force so totally, as to become a absence of force, the player is thus the only one in the universe with real free will. This makes you the perfect being in Kreia's eyes and why she says the exile is beautiful to her.

      It's also why she's constantly challenging the player on their choices. She's not seeking balance, she just wants the player to make their own choices, for their own reasons.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kill The Force
    OMG SO EPIC
    >Kill The Past
    REEEEE NOT MY HECKIN FAVOURITE CHARACTERS

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weird comparison to draw. The character who wanted to "kill the past" was the MASSIVE fan favorite character of the entire trilogy. To the point that the character poll for "who do you want to see the most in the last film" had him win with 90 something percent of the votes.
      One of the biggest criticisms leveled at those movies is also that they just retread the original trilogy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weird comparison to draw. The character who wanted to "kill the past" was the MASSIVE fan favorite character of the entire trilogy. To the point that the character poll for "who do you want to see the most in the last film" had him win with 90 something percent of the votes.
      One of the biggest criticisms leveled at those movies is also that they just retread the original trilogy.

      >The character who wanted to "kill the past"
      who?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kylo Ren.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Popular? The first movie he was in, when he took his helmet off, the entire theater I was in audibly was like holy shit what the fuyck put the helmet back on please put the helmet back on nooooooo what the fuck is up with this fuck-faced nasal edgelooooooord.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Luckily, he was played like that intentionally. His character was literally "I want to be cool, but I'm really just an edgy little cry-baby". It works surprisingly well and I'm glad he wasn't just another Vader. He was the only good part of those films and a lot of people feel the same way.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If I could rewrite the nu trilogy from scratch, I'd make Kylo suave like his dad in his best years.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It works surprisingly well
              anon, the entire premise of nu-trilogy and the existence of First Order and the not-Death Star right off the bat send the entire thing into the trash.
              it's completely, utterly retarded, and adds marvel-tier showmanship no one asked for - like one of the very first scenes where Kylo stops a blaster bolt mid-air. space samurai morons can now stop bullets matrix style.
              I was ready to walk out of the theater that moment, but I persevered until the end. It wasn't worth it and Disney somehow made a diehard star wars fan despise star wars and everything associated with it. At least I have my headcanon where it's Thrawn trilogy instead of nuslop

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I myself am not a die hard Star Wars fan, I watched the OT as a kid and loved episode 3 but never got into the expanded universe or anything like that. I'm curious, is stopping a blaster shot with the force that unloreful? I'm asking you since you seem pretty knowledgeable about the universe

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it hasn't happened even once before ep7 in any of the official movies, TV series, or mainstream EU books.
                It was just widely understood (and perfectly coherent) that pure energy, like blaster bolts or lightsabers, cannot be physically manipulated with the Force. And then in the first 5 minutes they go and do that just to make 5yo kids in the audience go "whoooooooooooaaaaa!!!!" and instead they pissed off everyone and killed off a golden goose. But the killing didn't happen until ep3 where everyone finally realized the franchise is in hands of creatively bankrupt people who sucked all of the soul out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ep3
                ep9*
                I just treat already categorized this whole trilogy as separate 1-3 fanfiction movies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Vader deflected one with his hand, and that's very different from stopping it mid air with nothing but your will

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not to mention that stopping the shot gives you absolutely no benefit compared to hand or saber blocking, it's pure spectacle

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That just seems like a reason why a manbaby like Kylo would want to do it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Makes as much sense as everything else in this shitty series
                Saw the last one in the cinema with a mate, the audience actually laughed when Edgelord kissed the Maray-Sue

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kylo is not a manbaby. he is a genuine christian crusader that wages a holy war.
                he suffers and bleeds for his faith, but ultimately will do what is necessary, even though he is weak (tfa analysis)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well now I'm just imagining him as a chudjak screeching in a whiny voice to Vader's helmet about how he's god's greatest soldier

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >crusade
                He is such a fucking manbaby he didn't even actually fall to the Dark Side, he literally pleads with his grandaddy's burned helmet about keeping strong
                That is like a guy asking Lucifer to help him continue his heroin addiction

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >implying vader's side isn't the christian side
                he literally died for everyone's sins. he was the son of god. he was set to free the slave, the droid. he fought against everyone. didn't matter, as long as they were corrupt.

                his teachings lived on in kylo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Vader died because of his own sins and for the life of his only son
                Kylo is a retard no matter how to twist it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Vader died because he loved his son, not because of other people's sins. Vader was also FULL of sin. More sins than anyone else in the Galaxy. Not really a proper Jesus analogy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong anon. Anakin was the sinful one, that's the joke of the prequels.
                Luke brings back his father Anakin, who is a dumb fascist.

                Vader, by contrast, is half machine-slave who wants to end the destructive conflict between the republic/rebels and the empire, kills Satan and then dies on a cross.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All the greatest sins Anakin did, like killing literal children, were done after he became Vader. Anakin was the one who saved Luke, having had Luke get through his Vader persona

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was Anakin who cut off Mace's hand, not Vader.
                Splitting them up like they are two people is retarded, one grew out of the other and back

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It was Anakin who cut off Mace's hand, not Vader.
                And everything after was as Vader
                >Splitting them up like they are two people is retarded, one grew out of the other and back
                Yeah, I agree

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                His defense of palpatine at the time can actually be reasonably defended. At least right up until palp starts shooting lightning right in front of anakin.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is an understandable sin, Palpatine is literally the reason for half the galaxy's problems but Anakin still couldn't just let him die.
                The lightning doesn't reveal anything to Anakin that he didn't already know.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's not vader until he dons the mask

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Objectively untrue. He's named Vader by Palpatine and then does horrible Sith shit. He does some of the most wicked fuckery before he becomes a big guy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still be anakin
                >still do anakin things
                >have anakin dreams, say anakin things
                >not anakin
                ??????

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He also does a whole lot of Vader things

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anakin does ethnic cleansings and kills children in AOTC, Vader thinks the death star and genocide is dumb in ANH

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So Anakin is even more of a psychotic asshole than Vader?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kinda

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean couldn't you tell from the movie where he has a lot of emotional issues, is given no support from the Jedi ("don't dream about your dying mom lol" is apparently the advice he got), falls in love with an older woman and tells her he wants her to become a dictator, before doing a massacre?
                Vader does none of that shit.

                Also this is kind of related, but I liked that the only part of AOTC where Obiwan is supportive of Anakin is when Anakin kills thousands of people on Geonosis. Anakin spends the entire movie being much better than Obiwan and bails him out constantly but he gets nothing but shit until he kills dudes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you dumb? Vader is not born until he's horrifically burned alive and sealed in the suit.

                It's not just a question of like, appearance, there is a thematic continuity about what Anakin cares about all throughout AOTC and ROTS that stands in stark contrast to what Vader is talking about in the OT.
                They are simply not the same character.

                To be more specific, basically everything bad Anakin does is done out of devotion and loyalty to the Jedi and to Padmé (who in turn represents the Senate/Republic).
                In contrast to killing the sand people out of anger, when he kills the jedi kids, it's essentially done as a love letter to her, he does it so she'll be safe.
                The PT is about how the Jedi take this good kid and turn him into a weapon to destroy their enemies and protect the state, which gives him a lot of pathological emotional problems (mommy issues) and turns him into a fascist.

                Vader, in contrast, has no such pathological attachments.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What are you dumb?
                how rude
                >To be more specific, basically everything bad Anakin does is done out of devotion and loyalty to the Jedi and to Padmé (who in turn represents the Senate/Republic).
                What about choking Padme? Is that Anakin or Vader?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anakin, it's the culmination of his character: he (also representing the empire/fascism) loves Padmé (representing democracy) loves her so much that he chokes her to death in anger and out of a desire to protect her.
                Although, in a twist, it turns out that Padmé just spontaneously commits suicide in despair.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That would mean that Democracy may look pretty, in truth it will crumble completely on its own if you break its spirit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you the same anon that said Vader saved Luke?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any system crumbles if you break its spirit.

                I don't know what you're referring to. Vader totally kills Palpatine because Luke makes a show of pacifism and accepts his death though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Vader totally kills Palpatine because Luke makes a show of pacifism and accepts his death though.
                He's more Anakin than Vader at that point. He completely rejects the Dark Side and the Sith to save Luke. If we have to split them up, then Anakin is the one that saves Luke

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Splitting them up like that is retarded tho, they are always one person.
                Vader's personality is the result of the Jedi fucking up basically every step of the way, even on Dagobah Yoda and Obi tell Luke that Vader is a lost cause, which is wrong.
                Vader saved his son because Luke was everything the old Jedi never were but should have been.
                Also nepotism lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The empire loves democracy
                Based Palpatine, never told a lie

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Palpatine is the by far best thing about Star Wars, even in the ST he had some neat moments.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right. Palpatine is literally Satan, but he also wins by simply exploiting the evil that is inherent in the republic and the jedi, ”exploiting the prejudices of the senators” in Obiwans words. He wins because everyone else is evil, and as such cannot help doing his bidding. This is what is meant when Yoda says he is blinded by the dark side and then starts a war.

                Again, this is part of the satire of the PT: the reason why Luke can’t help but serve Palpatine in ROTJ is because Palpatine IS the republic and the empire.
                The only way for him to win is to give up his attachment to the republic/his friends, and die.
                When he realises this and throws his lightsabre away, Vader is like ”aight, fucking finally” and destroys Palpatine. The ambiguity is if this lesson sticks and what Luke will do next. If they restore the republic, we’ll go right back to TPM and everything starts over.

                >Vader totally kills Palpatine because Luke makes a show of pacifism and accepts his death though.
                He's more Anakin than Vader at that point. He completely rejects the Dark Side and the Sith to save Luke. If we have to split them up, then Anakin is the one that saves Luke

                This is also relevant for this post, but I’ll just say that Luke is the one tempted by the dark side/evil, and for the most explicit example, see the Jabba scenes. Fans intentionally ignore this bit, but Luke tries to make a deal with a mafia boss on behalf of the rebel alliance, is rejected, then assassinates Jabba and peaces out, certainly plunging Tatooine into chaos from the resulting power vacuum. That’s evil, and we see the effects of this in the ST, where Tatooine is renamed to Jakku.
                The PT just makes it even more clear that the republic is evil.
                ”Evil is everywhere and there are heroes on both sides” as it says in ROTS (i think?), like, that IS the dark side.
                It’s in action, and it’s all-pervasive.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tatooine is renamed to Jakku.
                wot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tattooine is never mentioned once in the ST.
                Luke built his temple on Jakku (that's why those force cultists are searching it for clues to his whereabouts)
                Why would he build his temple on Jakku, unless it had some kind of special significance (the birthplace of Anakin, a.k.a. The Messiah and killer of Satan)?
                In a meta-sense and visual sense, why do we need two desert planets? If you look at pictures of Jakku and Tattooine, can you really tell them apart? Would anyone think the desert world in TFA was anything other than Tattooine unless told by exposition or advertisements?

                IRL, Jakku used to be literally Tatooine, but was then changed after they started shooting by just adding some exposition but you can't change the plot. So both in movie and irl, Jakku is just renamed Tatooine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but was then changed after they started shooting
                Where did you learn that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jakku has one sun.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was Anakin who cut off Mace's hand, not Vader.
                Splitting them up like they are two people is retarded, one grew out of the other and back

                he's not vader until he dons the mask

                they're the same person, retards.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you don't say

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >who is a dumb fascist.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                23 years of peace.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i like fascism so fascists aren't fascists
                Many such cases

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He combed his hair wrong.
                FASCIST!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck are you even talking about

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fascism is a WW2 cope allowing the allies to denigrate anyone not in their sphere of influence. When you raise the fact that nearly any monarchical or dictatorial or militaristic power in world history dating back to the fucking stone age could essentially be considered fascistic, academics lose their minds but have no argument because the definition is so fluid.

                The Empire is most accurately a theocracy upheld by a military junta.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This shit fried Paulie V's brain, That's why he went out of his way to ruin Starship Troopers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good thing he was way too retarded to actually do what he wanted

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kinda like how Bioshock makes more Randians?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much.

                >Not even Bioware themselves could remake this game without fucking it all up.
                Modern day Bioware can only fuck it up

                Modern Bioware is a hollowed out corpse. They would kill themselves if they had the strength to

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kinda like how Bioshock makes more Randians?
                Does it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Different guy, but no.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I've never heard anyone be drawn to know more about Ayn Rand through Bioshock, which is why I had to ask. I couldn't tell if he was serious or not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i don't know want to talk about fascism as a reaction to the ideologies of modernity, liberalism, nationalism and socialism so I'd like to obfuscate it please
                These ideologies did not exist during the time of even feudalism, so saying that you can't define fascism in the 20th and 21st century because of like, dictatorships is pure nonsense.

                Going back to the topic at hand.
                Anakin says that democracy is corrupt and weak and that he wants a wise and strong leader to take control of the galaxy (padmé), the idea being that the contradictions and tensions inherent in modern society (i.e. capitalism) can be straightened out through dictatorial powers and the destruction of internal and external enemies is fascism.
                Like, that's the core of fascism, that there used to be a harmonious society that has been effectively stolen by insidious forces.
                Anon then said "but 'peace' tho", outing himself as a fascist, because a peace that requires killings and oppression by the state is obviously not a true peace.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >outing himself as a fascist,
                OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at this absolute retard and laugh.
                Do you fucknugget really think there is a single country not created or maintained by state violence?
                lel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you understand that there is an ideological difference between having a police force and military and only being able to sustain the state through a program of purging and killing political dissidents?
                Just in terms of degrees of violence and the way that people respond to living in terror, the distinction is stark.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you think that unless it is a supreme democracy everybody alive feels nothing but pain and terror?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A fascist state is a state built on state terror, it's inseparable from it. Certainly democracies aren't perfect, but it entails a very different relationship between state and subject.

                yeah but padme actually achieved peace in episode 1 by taking things into her own hands.
                thats the first time anakin had agency, and he helped her out and it was a blast and everything was fixed.

                that moment was forever ingrained in him and it shaped his immediate future and political leanings and is entirely understandable.
                at the very least, anakin would treat droids and slaves better than the republic/empire did,, if he was enforcer for the future empress padme

                She wins the star war and this has an effect on impressionable young Anakin, it's part of the reason he idolizes her and wants her to be empress of the galaxy, and she has, as you pointed out, leanings to authoritarianism so kinda goes along with it.
                This, as we know, turns out terribly. Even the conflict in TPM is implicitly something that the Naboo started; they raised tariffs on the feds (that's how tariffs work), they protested by boycotting trade, and Padmé wanted to use the senate and the jedi to strong arm the Feds into giving her concessions. That it was "solved" through mass death and war is not a positive, it rather gave the aliens further proof that they were second class citizens, giving rise to separatism, and another war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A fascist state is a state built on state terror
                I am sure you believe that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Getting upset by something doesn't make it untrue, unfortunately for your "argument". Note that not all citizens are equally affected by rule via terror, so that may have confused you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there are only two states: 0 and greater than 0
                I'll never understand how people can delude themselves with such an obvious and dramatic lie. It's a common one, though, somehow. I'm not sure sheer stupidity alone can explain it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is retards like you that will scream fascist at everything you don't like pretending it would instantly ruin everything and everyone.
                What a proud warrior of the people you are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >These ideologies did not exist during the time of even feudalism,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah but padme actually achieved peace in episode 1 by taking things into her own hands.
                thats the first time anakin had agency, and he helped her out and it was a blast and everything was fixed.

                that moment was forever ingrained in him and it shaped his immediate future and political leanings and is entirely understandable.
                at the very least, anakin would treat droids and slaves better than the republic/empire did,, if he was enforcer for the future empress padme

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you for real? Despite your idiotic views on applying Star Wars politics to real world and vise versa, that's a misreading of what was said between Anakin and Padme in ep 2.

                ?t=11

                Akain says that democracy is bad because he's an idiot. The idea he proposes that 'the system doesn't work' is that politicians should sit down and talk the problem, which is exactly what the Republic does. It proves that democracy, at least in Star Wars, DOES work but it's slow. As Padme says: not everyone agrees. And his solution to accelerate the process is to use force to make people agree, which Padme points out is a dictatorship.

                The core political trichotomy of Star Wars is Democracy vs Dictatorship, which Capitalism in the middle (represented with the CIS and Cloud City in ESB). It's not about fascism and never was. You're just wrong. Star Wars has fascist iconography and shares an organizational framework, but it's still fundamentally about democracy vs dictatorship.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But the system doesn't work in star wars, there is widespread institutional racism, it's all built on droid slavery, and it proves far too easy for opportunists (palpatine) to exploit these tensions to turn it into a machine for mass terror.

                Like, all that you wrote is irrelevant because the democratic forces, the supposed good guys, are going into the war and creating a dictatorship. The liberal senate and the Jedi are complicit in the rise of fascism.

                Just the fact that all the liberal democratic "good guys" own slaves and that they treat aliens like second class citizens should be enough to clue you in that democracy is not wholly good in star wars.
                It's certainly better than the empire, but is that enough?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >droid slavery
                droids are basically animals and non-sapient. The real issue is that Lucas wanted to portray the Republic as a complex decaying society in 1 (in the Star Wars visual dictionary before the official one, the scrap book) as the entire system was crumbling from over taxation and was unsustainable, despite its vaunted peace. It didn't become easy to exploit, Palpatine just did a really good job playing both sides without anyone figuring it out. Although you could make an analogy of Palpatine = Lincon in regards to the American civil war and the Clone Wars, which is actually correct as Lincon arguably triggered it and periodically gained more dictatorial powers. He probably would have become a dictator for life if he wasn't shot.

                >the supposed good guys, are going into the war and creating a dictatorship.
                No, the real problem is that the good guys didn't let the CIS leave. This is actually a good mirroring of the American Civil War where the north should have let the south secede. Star Wars wanted to have the Republic be the good guys without firing the fist shot because democracy had to be portrayed as good.

                >The liberal senate and Jedi are complicit
                They did give emergency powers, so yeah. The Jedi, not really. Unless you count Windu forcing the matter, then yes.

                >Just the fact that all the liberal democratic "good guys" own slaves and that they treat aliens like second class citizens should be enough to clue you in that democracy is not wholly good in star wars.
                That doesn't happen in the Republic. ep 1 makes it clear that slavery is illegal unless you count droids which doesn't count because droids aren't sapient despite appearing sentient. And no aliens are treated as second-class citizens? Where did you get that idea?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Droids are people, they have speech. In ANH we learn from one of the first conversations that C3PO and R2D2 are kept in line through threats of death "you're not permitted in the escape pod, you'll be deactivated for sure". That is 100% unambiguous about the fact that they have free will but are just enslaved. Lucas drives this point home in TPM, where C3PO wakes up without clothes after having been created by Anakin (a.k.a. the incarnation of God) and is embarrassed, like Adam in Genesis.

                The Jedi are complicit in the creation of the empire in the sense that they were always complicit in the subjugation of aliens seeking their rights (see TPM), in the war and seeking their own interests (see AOTC), and finally a coup attempt that would have led to a similar situation (see ROTS).

                I don't care about your nostalgia for the enslaving South, but you're going to have to explain, with reference to the movies, why the droids are not people.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they have speech.
                "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Qui-gon is racist, religious fundamentalist thug that abuses aliens, yes.
                He also says that illegally intimidating the feds into surrendering will be easy because they're all cowards.
                He's not a very nice man.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >provide evidence
                >any evidence you give is said by a racist and ignored
                Well then ok. At that point, there's no sense arguing or showing evidence for anything. You're just wrong and I'm right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why the droids are not people.
                "If droids could think, there'd be none of us here."
                Although there are rare exceptions of droids that do think and have autonomy like R2, they aren't classified as sapient. I see this more as Lucas doing this to avoid the whole sci-fi trope of robots taking over. They're non-sapient, accept it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Obi-wan is also a racist, we are shown C3PO despair and becoming depressed, philosophizing over his lot in life being a slave in ANH.

                A line showing the intensity of Obiwans racism does not remove the significance of that scene.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Droids are people, they have speech
                Also pain receptors according to RotJ

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right! That's a very important scene! The scene where Jabba has a whole torture chamber just for droids makes no sense if droids are not kept in line through fear and pain. It'd be like torturing a chair, it's nonsense.

                >provide evidence
                >any evidence you give is said by a racist and ignored
                Well then ok. At that point, there's no sense arguing or showing evidence for anything. You're just wrong and I'm right.

                You are just incapable of interpreting the droid characters and the scenes in which they are in, and take the Jedi's words as gospel. But those very scenes prove the Jedi wrong.
                This is very common among fans, so don't feel too bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You could be right, it could also just be Jabbas twisted sense of humour.
                >Obviously I could reprogram these droids but causing them physical (digital?) pain is much more fun

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing like reprogramming is ever shown though. Droids just experience pain, and fear death.
                C3PO is even religious and often refers to his maker and his programming in basically in these terms (I can't impersonate a God, that's against my religion! He then does exactly that), the joke in the PT being that this is literally Jesus the Christ of Mos Espa.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Medical surgery isn't shown either, doesn't mean it wont be applied in the right circumstance.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, reprogramming isn't a part of star wars. It's never mentioned or shown.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I interpret the droids as being near sapient-like but not fully or else they would have taken over everything, as Obi-Wan says. Despite your bullshit, you can't explain why they haven't done that. That throwaway line is meant to explain why droids are used as a labor force without being classified as slaves. You just use the term slave because of its negative connotations.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have to explain shit why they don't take over everything, droid liberation is only present through it's absence. The droid characters are resigned to their roles as slaves, the people who could free them don't recognize them as people, as sentient. You like these slave owners, so you don't either.
                The only person that stands for sympathy with the Droids is Vader, being half-droid himself.

                Again, your interpretation doesn't take into account all the scenes I've cited. Mine does. It is therefore stronger than yours.

                The word Robot also literally comes from the czech word for forced labour, these two concepts are inherently linked.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I always understood droids to be sentient and am frankly pretty shocked to hear that some Star Wars fans don’t.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's so weird! People fucking love C3PO and R2 and the federation droids fucking rule, but in the next breath fans will say "they totally deserve slavery though"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's so weird! People fucking love C3PO and R2 and the federation droids fucking rule, but in the next breath fans will say "they totally deserve slavery though"

                Also, again, George literally said that R2D2 and C3PO are the viewpoint characters, they are the narrators of the story.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fascism is a WW2 cope allowing the allies to denigrate anyone not in their sphere of influence
                Mussolini coined the term decades before WW2, If I recall. Hitler liked what he was going for

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fascist this fascist that
                give it a rest already.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry, but you will be incapable of understanding star wars unless you realise that Anakin, not Vader, is the fascist. I linked the scene where he talks about literal fascism and you still don't get it.

                >but was then changed after they started shooting
                Where did you learn that?

                It's apparent from the fact that there was reshoots to change the narrative (giving Finn a smaller role and making Rey the protagonist), the change of Jakku was presumably done at the same time.
                Another example is "Hosnia Prime" which is also literally Coruscant in the film and retconned to be one of 5 moving capitals (??).

                Jakku has one sun.

                Not really relevant to my point about storytelling, you don't see Tatooines two suns all the time, but that doesn't mean that they aren't there. I think they even reference something to this effect in TLJ

                Anyway the point is that Lucas' six-film series was entirely about how the rebels won a conclusive victory, but lost it all because of their own failings. In Abrams' version, the Rebels never won - and, therefore, have no culpability.

                Hence: "Tatooine was not destroyed by the rebels. Jakku is a new, unrelated planet that has always been this way!"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not really relevant to my point about storytelling
                >Moving goalposts
                Fuck off.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are talking to a literal schizo who's been doing it for years. Just so you know.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are talking to a literal schizo who's been doing it for years. Just so you know.

                >A fascist state is a state built on state terror
                I am sure you believe that

                You're welcome to come with actual arguments.

                It is not controversial at all to say that fascism is inseparable from state terror, but arguing about fascism with fascists is pointless because you recognize it has a bad reputation (gee wonder why)

                Going back to something more interesting, Jakku, there's also a bit in TFA where they kept the "why does everyone want to go back to Tatooine?!-joke, presumably from an earlier draft.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Going back to something more interesting, Jakku,
                PFFT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Giving legit brain power to Nu-Wars
                Oxygen thief of the highest degree.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                /co/mblr found the thread I see

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ur not allowed to use fascist in a negative way!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pure energy, like blaster bolts or lightsabers, cannot be physically manipulated with the Force
                ah okay I see, never thought about it that way. I know you could deflect rockets and bullets and stuff in the games with the force

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure I've seen blaster bolts being absorbed in the EU somewhere.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                absorbed is fine, but stopped mid air? Nah

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure I've seen blaster bolts being absorbed in the EU somewhere.

                Even then it was rare and really just done as a flex. There's no practical reason to do so really.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Force Lightning wasn't a thing until RotJ. Vader already blocked blaster shots in Empire, and we already know telekinesis is a fundamental Force power. The bigger problem is something like Force heal, where its introduction (and how it was introduced) opend up a whole lot of questions retroactively

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry anon, qtredheads are my thing. Nothing else matters.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm pretty sure you can Force Push all projectiles in Jedi Outcast, it's just that it's not worth doing it for non-explosives because your saber will block it anyway. I distinctly remember killing people by pushing back Bowcaster shots.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >At least I have my headcanon where it's Thrawn trilogy
                You're not alone anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Outbound Flight
                That was a fucking great book. Bought it on release.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uh, I meant the other one - Survivor's Quest.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's so weird listening to Mara Jade narrate the Empire campaign in Galactic Battlegrounds
                So many characters and stories lost to the void

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just about everything in Thrawn's trilogy completely mogs the nu-trilogy. Story, characters, setpieces, action, even Leia's discovery of her connection with the Force is done in a tasteful and not retarded way.
                I have no idea how Zahn managed to capture the feel of Lucas' trilogy while doing something completely new and unique

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no idea how Zahn managed to capture the feel of Lucas' trilogy while doing something completely new and unique
                Because EVERYTHING is a logical continuation of the original trilogy. Luke is a more seasoned Jedi seeking to rebuild the Jedi Order. Leia is a politician attempting to hold the chaotic New Republic together. Han works for the New Republic trying to bribe smugglers into helping the new government get onto its feet. The Empire is massively humbled and has to be basically rebuilt at the hands of a very different, yet even more formidable villain in the form of Thrawn and the dutiful Pellaeon. New characters get introduced like Karrde and Mara Jade who are archetypes we'd not really seen before in Star Wars movies (the literal wild card playing both sides and the vengeful femme fatale). Everything just lines up perfectly to be a logical continuation of what came before. It's the total antithesis of the Disney trilogy where Luke is a depressed failure, Leia a general (the fuck?) and Han a 60 year old smuggler doing the same shit he was doing thirty years earlier. The enemy, instead of a cornered and dangerous beast under the Star Wars equivalent of Sherlock Holmes and an insane dark Jedi, is just a worldbuilding mess and a shitty space North Korea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I remember reading an article from Zahn about his books.
                Back then book tie-ins to movies were unheard of and nobody knew if it was going to work at all.
                So Zahn channelled his autism and did the absolute best work he possible could, no wonder shit is amazing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Back then book tie-ins to movies were unheard of and nobody knew if it was going to work at all.
                I'd go so far as to say that without the success of Heir to the Empire in 1991 Star Wars would have basically become a zombie franchise and gone the way of stuff like Flash Gordon. It single handedly revivified the entire series. It directly led to George Lucas returning, the prequel era and the renaissance of vidya and novels in the 90s and early 2000s. Zahn's autism both saved Star Wars, and put in the position to be killed decades later.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We had quality control back then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >deep meteoric toot
                Even Karen Traviss wasn't this bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ahahaha, Jesus Christ. Wow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never thought about it like that, sounds about right.
                Makes sense that his material is the only good thing in Nuwars

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The female part of that entire theater quickly changed their minds when they learned he was 6'3

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No they didn't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ah thanks, I only saw the 7th movie so I have no idea where the plot went after that other than them butchering Luke and the Emperor but I consider the sequels non canon anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the villain says to kill the past
      >but still holds on to it
      HMMM. People didn't get (or maybe the movie didn't emphasize it enough) that Kylo was a hypocrite and wrong. He told Rey to let go of the past to become evil when he fought to keep Luke's lightsaber because he wanted to reclaim/hold on to the past. This is why Rey kept the books and Luke's broken lightsaber to repair later; she didn't let go of the past, she only chose which parts to let go of, which was her parents.

      Kreia is more radical because she actually sought to kill the past stuck in an eternal recurrence.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He told Rey to let go of the past to become evil when he fought to keep Luke's lightsaber because he wanted to reclaim/hold on to the past.
        Or maybe Johnson just wanted a cool shot.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can be both. Also, despite defending the movie, I don't like it.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only if you give me a hand.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars needs to move on from the fucking time period of the prequel trilogies right through to the sequel trilogies. I am so fucking sick of every new piece of Star Wars materials being about Darth Vader's fourteenth Tuesday of the third Galactic year since the rise of the Empire. Holy fucking shit do I not need to know what Sideous' thoughts were on the eighth day of the 15th galactic year since the Empire was destroyed. Every new game is about some cocksucker we have never heard of and his trials and tribulations in dealing with fucking Dartyh Vader and the Empire. Old Star Wars games explored all the ay from the distant past to the far flung future. Whereas DIsney is stuck in this same fucking 60 years time period and I fucking hate it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah Kotor 1 and 2 plus Jedi Academy are probably the best Star Wars games ever done. And they have nothing to do with the movies whatsoever.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        academy sucks compared to outcast

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Academy is worse than Outcast but it lets me play as a Kel Dor and has a good variety of planets to visit
          And speeder bikes, I specifically keep a save to play the speeder bike planet whenever I wanted

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Outcast is better with Kyles story and the connected levels but saber gameplay in Academy is much more fun, also some maps are just as amazing as Outcast

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Academy

        Outcast is objectively better because Rashy Penis isn't in it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Penis barely shows up considering the total runtime, and cutscenes with him are easily skipped.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          JADEN HEY
          I'M STUCK
          CAN YOU HELP

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            MAYBE YOU COULD USE YOUR LIGHTSABER TO MAKE A BRIDGE

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              *RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine living on Yavin 4 and having to deal with these awful things
                They probably howl in unison every morning when the sun rises

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it was a really weird choice for a tutorial enemy. It's understandable they'd go with a critter that early, but a tiny lizard with a special attack that never appears again later in the game?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My first instinct is always to throw my lightsaber at the little cunts' necks so I guess that might be why they did it, to show that off for some reason (it's cool but it's not the first thing I'd teach in a tutorial)
                Also I can appreciate that they never come up again, if they're a native species of Yavin 4 and they're awful why would they be anywhere else? The only people transporting them would be assholes like that fat guy who steals your lightsaber
                Stuff like that made the planets feel unique, like the sandworms and the Nohgri

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >throw my lightsaber at the little cunts' necks
                but they're so small! the lightsaber always hits the environment before that cocksucker's neck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hitting their bodies is good enough as well and if 13 year old me could do it cannot be considered hard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but that's what makes it fun, when you really nail the fucker
                Like being able to shoot a playing card on its side, or throwing a lightsaber at Yarael Poof

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rebels must've had a real fun time with these critters

                it was a really weird choice for a tutorial enemy. It's understandable they'd go with a critter that early, but a tiny lizard with a special attack that never appears again later in the game?

                Maybe they wanted to teach the player not to just run up to any enemy and start slashing like a tard
                Also Yavin 4 hosted a Sith laboratory, these lizards are probably a remnant from that, no wonder they are unique

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe they wanted to teach the player not to just run up to any enemy and start slashing like a tard
                but then you do that for the rest of the game with every enemy... and it's fun because it works

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and no, I've been cut to pieces plenty of times by Sith the first few hours
                You might be correct and the devs just thought the lizards were cool.
                That being said, what other tutorial enemy should they use? Mercs? Stormtroopers? Bots?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, some sort of humanoid. The jedi academy (location, not game) bots were alright.
                But the lizards are there for storytelling reasons, so you go through neutral critters and a danger-less atmosphere, to stormtroopers where you immediately know they're gonna start shooting at you. It's alright, just the lizards could be like 2x as big because

                >throw my lightsaber at the little cunts' necks
                but they're so small! the lightsaber always hits the environment before that cocksucker's neck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hostile humanoids on Lukes on backyard is a tough pill to swallow tbhonest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but the 3 stormtroopers were there? Thankfully in the old canon main characters aren't complete fucking mary sues

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, 2 Troopers, 3 sith and Tavion.
                It was a hit and run operation using the crashed shuttle as a window to distract Luke and Kyle.
                If Tavion had stayed for even 5 minutes longer than necessary she'd have been slice'n'diced right there.
                While I agree that the old characters aren't Gary Stues they are still absolute powerhouses. There is a reason Tavion and collection of simps run and hide until they are ready

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're native lizards and part of the Living Force, you're just meant to leave them alone like you would a komodo dragon or any other dangerous animal
                Though considering how close they are to that temple Tavion was pulling dark side energy from, maybe that has something to do with it
                I wouldn't worry about it

                but the 3 stormtroopers were there? Thankfully in the old canon main characters aren't complete fucking mary sues

                Kyle Katarn was pretty OP, let's be real
                His worst trait was that he never put more babies into Jan Ors which is a pretty serious flaw but doesn't quite dispel how OP he is

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just meant to leave them alone
                You are?
                They stand in the middle of your only path forward and if you don't kill them, after REEEEEEing they immediately charge your ass and kill you in 2 seconds flat.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean under normal circumstances
                You have to murder them because videogames, but otherwise Luke probably shouldn't go and purge them from the planet even if they're awful

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ye that makes sense, Yavin 4 is populated by droids and Jedi in training, no need for much pest control.
                That being said wasn't Yavin 4 also host to the Massassi race created by a Sith? Wonder what happened to all of them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                MAYBE YOU COULD USE YOUR LIGHTSABER TO MAKE A BRIDGE

                JADEN HEY
                I'M STUCK
                CAN YOU HELP

                kino
                can't handle the Rosh

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are trying to do so with The High Republic but it does not seem to be sticking.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why they think the High Republic will be attractive to star wars fans after the cartoony shitshow that TOR was

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just read through Dawn of the Jedi and and am now convinced that a big hard reset/time skip is needed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those days are gone anon. It's time to accept it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly warhammer has the same problem and is growing increasingly worse
      Such a huge setting with a hell of a lot of room to tell new stories about new characters where there is a baked in excuse in lore to be original ,but it always ends up revolving around the same handful of people and makes the universe seem tiny

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And that is the better option.
        The alternative is nuke your entire setting and replace it with pic rel.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        40k has that problem
        Fantastic doesn't, which sucks because it's just generic boring Tolkien copy paste.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the Force is female, and a male Exile kills it, is it misogyny?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. That's why canon Exile is female.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    'kay Grandma Sidious.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    reminder

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spending time productively

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >argue about which class is superior
      I thought it was was a given that Consular trivialises both games easily? Not that Weaponmaster isn't easy, but it's not 'press 1 button and stun the entire encounter for 30 seconds' easy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hanharr is best companion

        this is final, ultimate and no discussion will be held hereafter

        kotor is so easy i've begun experimenting

        stealth dex build? yep
        unarmed sentinel jack of all trades build? check
        ranged only consular? check

        i think for pure strength it's either weapon master or marauder though, dual weapon spec is strong and extra crystal slots is op late game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >killing off the qt redhead
          nah

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hanharr is beastly strong and has the most potential for increasing your exile's personal standing with kreia. he is also unquestionably loyal to you and increases your wisdom 2x

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Increasing your standing with Kreia is easy regardless. Hell it's easy for everyone. Exile can solo the fucking game so gameplay concerns don't matter either.

              The biggest antithesis to Kreia is the game itself, because it locks you in bullshit affinity and influence systems, without providing an alternative that follows Kreia's philosophy.

              Kreia couldn't follow her own philosophy either so that actually makes sense.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hanharr is regardless the #1 companion strengthwise ingame, and you are cucking yourself out of him to engage with some "badass" coombait that dont even reciprocate.
                and having hanharr offers unique dialogue with kreia "lesson of strength" that is cool and that miracucks miss out on

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                never really liked "angry wookie"
                Mira gets at least a chance to prove herself in the eyes of the mandos if you let her lead the party on Dxun

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hanharr is bigger than "angry wookiee", that's his entire character

                through his single minded evil psychopathy and being able to stare unflinchingly into the darkness, he is a lot better adapted to navigating the world we see in kotor 2 than most other characters.
                he is even able to outwit exile in the type of introversion heavy soul seeking shit dialogue kotor 2 is full of, having a firm grasp of abstract concepts that shitter morons like zaalbar could not even imagine

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the most interesting thing about Hanharr is Kreia

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >morons like zaalbar

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if there is a moron in starwars, it is zaalbar.
                a more servile piece of shit one can not find

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he is even able to outwit exile in the type of introversion heavy soul seeking shit dialogue
                Example? I haven't played with him too often

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he pegs you as a bullshitter concerning malachor, he understands the weight of the loss and regards you cutting yourself off from that pain and sorrow to be weakness.
                he himself was "born" when he personally butchered each and every member of his tribe to make them pay (or save them, depending on how you view his actions) for being enslaved.
                difference is he looked them in the eye while doing it.

                you as an exile start out viewing him like a dumb moron, but he turns it around on you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is some cool shit.
                Though cutting yourself off from the force is never an easy thing, even if done in fear.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He is definitely more interesting than he first appears, but sadly taking him on involves killing a qtredhead party member.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Consular is definitely the best but you're going to have a hard time doing the arena sidequests without exploits that is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sentinel is the best class, because Kotor 2 has a lot of skill usage in dialogue, so to get the best roleplaying experience, you should maximize your skillpoints.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Despite minmaxing, everything always resists my fucking force lightning in KOTOR 2 since the modders overtuned half the game by playtesting it with level 60+ characters. It's blatant in the HK fights and Nar Shadda. They even accidentally swapped the stats of a minor telos boss with fucking Darth Nihilus.

        Meanwhile, flurry spam consistently works.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          just have high cha + wis modifiers and shoot them through block
          consulars get a modifier to force powers too

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>>>>

            [...]

            minmaxing

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i seriously don't believe you can't kill enemies with force lightning as a consular, ye

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Try playing on hard for once. You consistently do half damage you never catch up. Your "tip" about Wis+Cha is on par of telling a soldier to put points into strength... duh. What actually happens is your FP eventually gets big enough that you can just spam to brute force past the half damage but that's independent of stats. You could be a full guardian and do that.

                With the restoration patch on hard you will consistently fail to break their saving throws throughout the entire game because they fucked it up. Base game isn't like that, I know I've played both. Nobody is saying the game is too hard to beat, you're the only one saying that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A properly minmaxed Consular/Master can get a high enough Force Kill DC to succeed against the final boss. The game's balance may be shit, but enemy saving throws aren't part of that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Choose 1.
      >You gain influence with Kreia
      What?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but I don't wanna kill the forceeee

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kreia is a retarded character.
    Obsidian games have shit writing.
    First kotor is a better game with better story.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing the force was actually not a big part of the game though, I think she only mentions it a bit at the end. "In you, I saw the death of the force."
    Since Kreia is a nietzschean, this can mean like, the death of the authority of the religious institutions (the death of god) and that people are free to create new and better moral institutions without needing these to be grounded in an imaginary God.

    Of course, whether it's a literal or metaphorical death depends on how we interpret the metaphysical nature of the force, which is somewhat complicated in the movies.
    Most of our information comes from the Jedi, who are also unreliable. They explicitly lie constantly and their political power comes from these superpowers and their role as a religious secret police.

    The strongest interpretation of the movies is that the midichlorian superpowers etc. are not the true force, these are just a genetic mutation that the Jedi erroneously believe to be God

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gray jedi
    >still falls to the dark side

    Gray Jedi are fags.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kreia never stopped being a sith anon. She was never able to actually follow the philosophy she espoused.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Alternatively, she never fell and simply wore the guise she needed to for your sake
        But yes, she was a hypocrite in many ways and couldn't exist in any other way, which was part of why she hated the force so much

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >never stopped being a jedi
        >never stopped being a sith
        >says that maybe she's neither a jedi or sith
        It's funny because all three are true.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Half of the stuff she says is just meta commentary on how players approach RPGs and the game's mechanics.
    GOAT path is full light side that disagrees with the council and gives good reasons to Kreia as to why they do things instead of just, "me help people".
    Best build is spamming Force Storm or DUAL WEELD lightsabers.
    Revan's favorite snack was salted pretzels.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, Anakin was kind of a rascal lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and a rascal will turn quite nasty if you ignore all of his emotional needs

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anakin was special needs child.
    Qui-Gon knew this, The Council didn't care.
    They might awell just of given Anakin Ritalin & called it a day.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No one in this thread has played Shadows of the Empire.
    >Most of their lore knowledge comes from Filoni Wars.
    Dark Side Timeline indeed...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Shadows of the Empire people are over on Ganker in the Galactic Battlegrounds thread chewing out someone for not playing Shadows of the Empire
      Dash Rendar is a cool guy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dash Rendar is a cool guy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's better to be a dead hero without actually having to be dead, wouldn't you say?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Influence lost: Kreia

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Influence gained: Kreia

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Influence gained: Kreia

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I still don't know if this phenomenon was done on purpose or not

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you mean when it happens literally at the same time like this

            it's probably not intentional.
            But the whole
            > you do anything that shifts force balance
            > Influence lost: Kreia
            > you listen to her lengthy lecture afterwards
            > Influence gained: Kreia
            This was obviously intentional.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I suppose not being able to be certain about what pissed or pleased Kreia is intentional and made me more invested in talking with her.
              It was funny when in one of my first playthroughs I unlocked the majority of the convo options (cutscenes included) while in the middle of storming the Royal Palace on Onderon.
              Shit was bizarre

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
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        Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
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        Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      would be incredibly kino

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dread the remake for many reasons but if they pussify Canderous, I'm gonna shoot up the Jedi Temple
      also no John Cygan is already a huge bummer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am baffled that anybody has faith in this "project"
        Not even Bioware themselves could remake this game without fucking it all up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Not even Bioware themselves could remake this game without fucking it all up.
          Modern day Bioware can only fuck it up

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jade Empire was the last time Bioware gave a fuck.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Jade Empire had much more soul than it had any right to have.
              Wuxia and Xianxia themed games are an untapped mine for gaming imo
              All hail Sun Li, the Impeccable Strategist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up Tsig

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I make peace with the Sandpeople & kill them anyway.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I purposefully challenge the Loremaster after he's done telling their history just so they give me an excuse to kill them and I can get my Krayt Pearl back.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same. I don't wanna do it, but if they put me in a situation I feel threatened, I won't hesitate to cut through every every youngling in that camp to defend myself.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love that he's just Conan.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never maxed out influence with her.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have. It's pretty easy to do if you're not trying to play a paladin-type character.
      >take small alignment hits for agreeing with her about people being disposable or whatever
      >refuse small favours even if they cost you nothing to do (telling the sick guy on Nar Shaddaa "lol kys" gives you Kreia influence)
      >always respond with "I will consider your words" or equivalent
      >don't pointlessly kill people. She doesn't mind dark side acts but she's not a psychopath like Mandalore or Atton.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My favourite influence check is when Kreia chastises you for being too much of a light sider and using others without being aware of it. If you say 'I'll treat you as disposable then' she is very pleased and tells you you're learning.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can progress companions’ relationship by maxing out how much they like you
      >or how much they hate you
      what did they mean by this?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just kill every club

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Home...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it is different.. it has been some time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >come back
        >jedi masters fixed it
        absolutely mazed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How nice of the Jedi to rebuild their own tomb

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that would make for a great reveal shot for something
        >apparently unrelated shit until a fucking star destroyer just darkens the sky

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't the Rakgoul a galaxy level threat?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a galaxy level threat eradicated by a wookie moron, a teenager twilek slut and a coked out stim enthusiast

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not after malak they aren't
        unless you count swtor

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You ARE the droid I'm looking for
    Deduce G0-T0's identity
    Stupid achievement.
    G0-T0 is useless member in the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        G0T0 is actually one of my favourite characters even if it took me a while to warm up to him.

        not after malak they aren't
        unless you count swtor

        The Rakghoul are on the lowest possible levels of Taris, the assumption that they were all wiped out doesn't sit well with me.
        A fucking Bounty Hunter on the upper levels managed to live through Malaks laserspam

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A fucking Bounty Hunter on the upper levels managed to live through Malaks laserspam
          he's hard to kill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >G0T0 is actually one of my favourite characters even if it took me a while to warm up to him.
          Always shocked me that people didn't enjoy his character. He's such a dickhead that he's enjoyable. An infrastructure droid masquerading as a mob boss trying to save the Republic he hates? Brilliant idea for a character.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Brilliant but somewhat underdeveloped. Most of the cast had that problem really, Atton being one such example

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Me and I suppose others were turned off by his design the tedious shit you have to do to get to him.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hard to connect with a character that has no face, same applies to T3-M4.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Foursome with Kreia, Atris and Brianna

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trash taste, Visas is best girl by far

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More like "my DSLs for yours"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love the romantic scene with her, after the rebuilt jedi enclave scene. Probably among the more touching scenes in vidya.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My appreciation for her almost snuck up on me. At first I thought she was a edgy goth girl but after a few convos I began to like her much more than Handmaiden or Mira.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hadmaiden all the way
        i want a slightly autistic buff lady to spar with

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          now the handmaidens i can get behind

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars is such boy repellent now.
    It's not even funny.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This image of a fight is different from this image of a child character in a dialog scene
      There's no way you aren't false flagging

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's no way you aren't false flagging

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally who
          Being mad about random shit that nobody has ever seen before is not an own

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you don’t identify as a sexuality based fucking retards

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't mind the image, I made it in response to the blatant shilling going on on Ganker when Bad Batch was coming out.
        They would try to kill any discussion about what we considered cool and would turn around and try to prop up Omega as a cool and interesting character in an attempt to appeal to lurking pedos.
        It didn't really work. Unless you go to /co/.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they didn't cutout most of Juhani's shit.
    It gets kinda tiring of being her emotional tampon every playthru.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if they cut everything for Juhani or if she was just a last minute addition, almost nobody else even references her.
      Frankly the cast of 1 sucks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It sucks compared to 2 but it isn't bad.
        Bastilla is kinda shit but teasing her is fun. Jolee is a blast to have around and Canderous is literally Mandalore.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >sucks
          Pretty much. Jolee is the only character people remember because he's the only one who is not only fleshed out but interesting due to his philosophy.
          Juhani is actually interesting conceptually because she's trying to redeem herself and keep her emotions in check while having an understandably bad childhood of xenophobia on Taris which imo shouldn't exist in Star Wars but whatever.
          Mission is a spunky 14 year old and after Taris becomes irrelevant beyond her brother side mission and the Dark Side moment near the end.
          Canderous is held up only by the voice actor imo. The only cool thing about him is his war stories and you never really see him do anything cool besides everyone fearing him out of his reputation.
          Bastila is baby's first tsundere.
          Carth, despite people not liking him for the [something seems to be bothering Carth] is the most important party member in the game.
          Zaalbar is irrelevant.
          T3 literally only exists to open a single door.
          HK-47 is more of a unique character but useless in combat compared to Jedi, and he has the same problem as Canderous which is to talk about the cool shit he's done rather than do anything.

          Kotor 2's characters are more interesting but incomplete which leads people to have mixed opinions about them. G0-T0 is probably the best example. A droid who was tasked to save the galaxy by following the rules, couldn't broke, became a criminal to save it, and plays up the mafia part to hide the fact that he's a droid. Really cool. Better than every side character in Kotor 1, even Jolee. But that's basically it. You want more, and it's unsatisfying. And the same applies to the other characters. 1 is bad whereas 2 is good but could be much more.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meant for

            I don't know if they cut everything for Juhani or if she was just a last minute addition, almost nobody else even references her.
            Frankly the cast of 1 sucks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nah

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Zalbaar is a fucking retard with no dialog.
          Juhani is an absolute nothing character who should have just been rolled into Mission's character.
          T3 is even more of a nothing character and is a droid played straight.
          Bastila, Carth, Jolee, Canderous, Mission and HK all have solid character foundations but have almost no plot import(Outside of Bastila and MAYBE Carth), almost no interactions with each other or anyone else, and generally one five minute sidequest and some 1-1 dialog trees each before going on "repeat your hello lines forever" mode.
          Basically they're character concepts that have almost nothing behind them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all have solid character foundations but have almost no plot import
            Truly the greatest sin of most Bioware characters, they don't matter to the story at all. Garrus is the biggest example of this, and it's terrible how they never fixed this. I'd rather all companions were mandatory (who the hell doesn't recruit them) and even couldn't die until the ending of the story, if they could matter to the plot

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you could reduce Kotor 2 characters to nothing as well
            if you perceive them like that it's a (you) problem

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bastila is cute.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Juhani was way to ugly for me to even bother talking more than absolutely necessary. Bioware chudshit in its early stages.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Luke's "Temple" is just a mudhut.
    Gen-Xers don't have reverence for anything do they?

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that kotor 2 is a better game without TSLRCM

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TSLRCM is a better mod if you use the unofficial tweak pack to remove Kaevee
      FTFY

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Going by the events of both games, weren't the jedi council basically right to avoid the Mandalorian wars?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >weren't the jedi council basically right to avoid the Mandalorian wars?
      In essence, yes. The Jedi Council was investigating what was the cause of the Mandalorian invasion before getting involved. In the event it turns out that it was the True Sith that encouraged Mandalore to invade the Republic (no, this isn't TORshit retconning), so the Jedi were right to be cautious. On the other hand, KOTOR 2 depicts their caution while millions were killed on the Outer Rim to be pretty fucked up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From what I can tell, by the time the Jedi finish investigating from afar there wouldn't be a Republic left to save.
        Their only true option was to support Revan, making it harder for him and others to fall while still looking behind the scenes for the true culprit.
        The Jedi didn't do this or anything really and thus they learned that apathy is death.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and no.
      Something that people miss is that the Jedi are not meant to involve themselves directly in politics. They can give 'advice' but that's it. They only exist to fight the Sith if they show up and train the next generation of Force sensitive and do nothing. This is to prevent anyone from turning evil. So when the Mandalorians showed up, this was the job of the Republic to defend itself. The Jedi felt that there were other forces at work but they had no proof. The Sith *WERE* behind it, but only the Mandalorians knew that. So when Revan et al went to fight the Mandalorians, they were in the wrong even though that was the right position because the Sith were behind them. However, the war was not about fighting the Sith but for the Republic, which became a political conflict. The reason the Jedi don't become involved in politics is that it leads Jedi to think that they can become politicians and use their power to make things right which turns them evil by needing to 'make things right' rather than always act in self-defense. This is the justified reason for why Revan fell to the Dark Side (ignoring TOR idiocy) in both 1 and 2, although for different political reasons (1 was just evil, 2 was to strengthen the Republic).

      In the prequel movies, the Jedi didn't want to fight a war but they actually joined because the Sith were backing the CIS. If the Jedi had known that the Mandalorians were helped by the Sith, they would have joined, but they kept themselves hidden. However, both conflicts show that these two positions can be manipulated by hiding in the shadows.

      Also, the Jedi helping the Republic to win the Mandalorian showed that the Republic was ultimately dependent on the Jedi to survive and couldn't stand on its own. If anything, the Jedi held the same principle Kreia advocates that helping others robs them of the victory. Had the Republic won against the Mandalorians, they would have been stronger for it, but they caved in out of weakness.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From what I can tell the Jedi were always involving themselves in the world when needed. They would settle disputes between different party as a neutral party not to mention help out with various dangers for civvies. This is normal for individual Jedi but the problem comes when your entire Order attaches itself to the very centre of political power.
        Otherwise I agree, the Republic should be capable of defending itself but in the hundreds of years fighting the Sith armies with the Jedi the Republic became dependant on the Jedi who didn't have the heart or the wisdom to ween them off.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in the hundreds of years fighting the Sith armies with the Jedi
          There was never a war between the Jedi and the Sith.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Disney canon is just a Dark Soul's item description.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              canon is just a Dark Soul's item description.
              Lucas canon.

              >George Lucas: Everybody said, “Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.” Well, that never happened. That’s just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other off, and there wasn’t anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he’s not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master. That’s why I call it a Rule of Two — there’s only two Sith Lords. There can’t be any more because they kill each other. They’re not smart enough to realize that if they do that, they’re going to wipe themselves out. Which is exactly what they did.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hiding behind George AGAIN...
                *Sigh* Here we go...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >quoting Lucas from a magazine article
                George Lucas was an idiot and could barely remember shit. In the old Star Wars canon the last war between the Jedi and Sith leads to the refoundation of the Republic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lucas from a magazine article
                Magazine article? It's a giant 600 page book that explores the making of the prequels in detail, and the author actually spent weeks talking to Lucas extensively and interviewing him. There is another one for the OT.
                > In the old Star Wars canon
                EU was never canon.

                >Whatever George's meds was telling him that day.

                If Lucas wanted this version of the story to exist he should've inserted it somewhere into the franchise, as it stands those words are completely worthless.

                Holy cope.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a giant 600 page book
                The book wasn't considered canon, so that's alright.

                >EU was never canon.
                Yes. Yes it was. You may be too young so you may not recall that up until the Disney takeover there existed layers of canon in a sliding scale.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The book wasn't considered canon, so that's alright.
                Lucas' words is the highest level of canon. He is the creator.
                >Yes. Yes it was.
                No. No it wasn't. It was completely irrelevant to Lucas' world, which is the only one that mattered. Everything else was somebody else's interpretation and did not have anything to do with the actual Star Wars. Like in the case of KOTOR and TOR and the Jedi/Sith wars, that never actually happened.

                >Eu never canon
                What a fucking garden gnome you are holy shit

                >What a fucking garden gnome you are holy shit
                I sense much seethe in you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh the sycophant is here to ruin the cozy thread again. YIPPY!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you suck Kasdan's hole too?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I? Kasdan is not the creator of Star Wars.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                George sold it why do you care?
                You're just being a creep for no reason.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Tolkien is dead, does that mean I should not care about his objectively correct takes on the universe he created? Same with Herbert and Dune? I should take the words of third-party hacks at Amazon, or irrelevant shit written by K.J. Anderson?

                I care because I like and care about the intent of the man who created that setting, I care about authenticity and legitimacy, and not someone's interpretation of it, which is irrelevant.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Star Wars is a shared work, Like Lovecraft.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I care about authenticity and legitimacy
                A Flash Gordon ripoff, That's a Buck Rodgers ripoff, That's John Carter ripoff.
                Such depths!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Spoke like a true pseud. Those are inspirations and visual references that Lucas used when crafting Star Wars, but they do not constitute depth and subject matter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Star Wars is Pulp dingus.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh go suck off Pablo Hildlago.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I? He is completely and utterly irrelevant. He is not the creator of Star Wars. How many non-sequiturs and strawmans are you gonna spew out anyway?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How many chill EU threads are you gonna spoil?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't dislike Lucas on general and I appreciate most of his work but I am also convinced this is a case where the creator was outgrown by his creation.
                Remember, the old fart not only sold it all for money he didn't use he was also initially done with the story after 1 movie.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Eu never canon
                What a fucking garden gnome you are holy shit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >EU was never canon.
                The cry of the lazy fan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Whatever George's meds was telling him that day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's like a medieval feudal system

                >They are the most moral of anybody in the galaxy. They are monk

                I always believe that Lucas' idiocracy is what makes Star Wars a beautiful broken setting in which other far more experienced creators can expand and explore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I always believe that Lucas' idiocracy is what makes Star Wars a beautiful broken setting in which other far more experienced creators can expand and explore.
                t. Rian Johnson

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's funny because that sounds so pretentious and contemptible he could have actually said it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rian Johnson would silt his own mother's throat for 5 minutes of fame.
                Most every Gen-Xer is like that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree. I always considered that the setting and the Force just happen to work out retroactively organically and by pure chance.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Americans especially have been starved of spiritual content, stories and myths revolving around the mysteries of life, without the baggage of organized religion.
                The Force was like water to a thirsting man, meanwhile places like east asia are literally filled with spiritualism. Lucas took a small handful of that and inserted it into a western setting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hello, Filomoron.
                Dodging yet another PT hate thread on Ganker to defend Lucas somewhere else yet again, are we?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                qrd on this guy?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you ever find yourself in a Star Wars thread that starts to talk favorably about the EU, or if someone makes an offhand comment about Dave Filoni that isn't praising him as the savior of Star Wras, the Filomoron will appear to defend Lucas' "creative vision" like a good little white knight. Doesn't matter what board you're on, he finds out.
                Strangely, though, he's never around to do so in any of the many anti-PT threads we have over on Ganker on a weekly basis. Rather curious, no?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's never around to do so in any of the many anti-PT threads we have over on Ganker on a weekly basis.
                OT morons have been brutally sodomized on a daily basis since 2015 by PTchads

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he stalks some guy across star wars threads
                lmao u mad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Am I? I'm just a noticer.
                It's certainly less pathetic than someone actively scouring the site to find Star Wars threads with people to argue with because they don't hold the opinion of George Lucas to the same level of zealotry.
                I've noticed this for years, in fact.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno man. You are like a person with face blindness inssisting on seeing the same person everywhere
                Do you have any evidence, any traceable slip up that this person really exist? Otherwise it just seems like the usual pattern recognition where a group of people gets summed up as one fag to have a more pathetic, easier boogeyman.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You clearly haven't been around long enough to notice and that's okay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then he clearly isn't annoying enough to warrant this much attention if you need more than 15 years on Ganker to notice him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't specify how long it was.
                Why are you so concerned, anyway?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you said longer than me. I am about 14+ years on Ganker
                >Why are you so concerned, anyway?
                I dunno. Do you want to accuse me now of being your boogeyman?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you said longer than me
                I never said that.
                >Do you want to accuse me now of being your boogeyman?
                Are you okay? You're taking my calling out of Filomoron pretty personally.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You clearly haven't been around long enough

                >you said longer than me
                I never said that.
                >Do you want to accuse me now of being your boogeyman?
                Are you okay? You're taking my calling out of Filomoron pretty personally.

                >I never said that.
                >You're taking my calling out of Filomoron pretty personally.
                Am I? I don't feel personally insulted. I am just asking for proper evidence because otherwise you just take your meds and not drag down threads with meta obsessions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I said you haven't been around long enough, not that I've been around longer than you. Pay attention.
                And I didn't say you were insulted, just that you're taking this pretty personally for someone who probably wouldn't give a shit either way if I did provide evidence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, I said you haven't been around long enough, not that I've been around longer than you.
                And that would mean you have to be around for 15+ years to notice your boogeyman
                What is your point?
                >And I didn't say you were insulted, just that you're taking this pretty personall
                Those are synonyms
                >who probably wouldn't give a shit either way if I did provide evidence.
                So if you think nobody should care or would care then why even share it? I think your posts are just very low quality. That is it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, that's not what I meant at all. Stop assuming shit and work on your reading comprehension.
                "Personally" and "insulted" are not synonyms you actual brainlet.
                This is such a weird hill for you to die on, going to bat for a lolcow that you don't even care about because my low quality posts spurned you on that much to reply. I'm supposed to be the one on meds, here?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is such a weird hill for you to die on
                You have no idea how petty I can be. In fact I can see myself going into every star wars thread in the future and calling you out for no reason at all just to make a point on how annoying people like you are.
                I am pettyness incarnate.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd love nothing more than to see how much more of a petty retard you can be. Do it. You wont.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay filonifagfag

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the best you could come up with?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well yeah. I am pettyness incarnate not witty.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you too retarded to remember the Origins of the first Sith both racially and philosophically?
            You do know about Korriban, right?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's the Lucas stalker.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              See:

              canon is just a Dark Soul's item description.
              Lucas canon.

              >George Lucas: Everybody said, “Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.” Well, that never happened. That’s just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other off, and there wasn’t anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he’s not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master. That’s why I call it a Rule of Two — there’s only two Sith Lords. There can’t be any more because they kill each other. They’re not smart enough to realize that if they do that, they’re going to wipe themselves out. Which is exactly what they did.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Lucas wanted this version of the story to exist he should've inserted it somewhere into the franchise, as it stands those words are completely worthless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were right to be cautious, and Revan was right to disobey

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rikafag, I know you are reading this, and you should really fucking have a nice day, you obnoxious pseud weebgay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did he shit in your cereal or something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nipah~

      >weren't the jedi council basically right to avoid the Mandalorian wars?
      In essence, yes. The Jedi Council was investigating what was the cause of the Mandalorian invasion before getting involved. In the event it turns out that it was the True Sith that encouraged Mandalore to invade the Republic (no, this isn't TORshit retconning), so the Jedi were right to be cautious. On the other hand, KOTOR 2 depicts their caution while millions were killed on the Outer Rim to be pretty fucked up.

      In kotor 1, Canderlous also reveals that 'the Sith came with them with an offer to fight the Republic.' The issue is that despite the millions killed, it might have still been the right call because of the possibility of a Jedi turning evil and causing more deaths. The Jedi aren't suppose to involve themselves in politics, but they do, and that makes them inconsistent hypocrites.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    “Peace” is a condition in which no civilian pays any attention to military casualties which do not achieve page-one, lead-story prominence—unless that civilian is a close relative of one of the casualties.”

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most pathetic and pretentious character, she is the worst. She is an old hag that failed at being both a Jedi and a Sith and now wants everyone to hear her temper tantrum.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fool. Filtered, fool.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, trying to apply nihilistic ideologies to Star Wars is retarded. At the end of the day she is just a mad hag that got played by both sides and thinks she has any agency in deciding what is right and wrong.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Go back to r*ddit.

            >20'000+ years of confclict because two opposite fanatic factions believing their god is better
            >surprised when one jedi fell into nihilism

            Not surprised, she is just pretentious and she is merely just an old hag that failed at being a Jedi and a Sith.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >20'000+ years of confclict because two opposite fanatic factions believing their god is better
          >surprised when one jedi fell into nihilism

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh shades of grey
    >Star Wars is literally LIGHT SIDE GOOD GUY vs DARK SIDE EVIL GUY

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, that's literally the point of the story
      You got filtered

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "I suffered... indignities."

    Was Kreia raped?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I struggle to imagine either Sion or Nihilus having a functioning dick. Maybe they shoved her lightsaber up her rusty cunt tho.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "I suffered... indignities."

        Was Kreia raped?

        Sion has a shabby mutilated dick but it definitely works. Nihilus has a force cock that is ginormous.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. When she says this, it cuts away to Nihilus looking. That's intentional. Indignities is also said by Kreia when talking about Atton in a sexual content. The only other time indignities as a word is said is by the Exile which can have a different interpretation as it's *their* point of view of what indignity means rather than a universal meaning shared throughout the same lexicon/what Avellone thinks of indignities.

      Also, Sion was clearly sexually repressed and Kreia had him under his thumb for who knows how long. So being raped on the seat of power is hot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "I suffered... indignities."

        Was Kreia raped?

        >The only other time indignities as a word is said is by the Exile
        To give further context, indignities is used by the Exile when talking to Kreia after going full Dark Side about how doing fetch quests for people is debasing themselves. Since it's not said in a sexual context, people think it doesn't mean that all usage of the word codify it as sexual, but since Kreia uses it in a sexual context when talking about how Atton think about indignities, it fits in line with how Kreia codifies the word which applies to how she describes the indignities she suffered.
        You don't have to believe Sion raped Kreia but I hold that the cut-away from Sion to Nihilus looking is to me the most damning part. There's really no reason to do that other to imply that something happened off-screen.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That makes sense but it doesn't matter. The scene makes it clear that Kreia is suffering hard, whether that is because she beaten or fucked doesn't make a difference.
          Even if Sion did rape her she probably complained how his sloppy technique only made her cum 3 times.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed, it doesn't matter. It's subtext that doesn't need to be picked up on.

            Why didn't they kill her?

            Nihilus apparently tried to kill her in a cut cutscene.

            Although, since it's cut, it can't be relied on as factual. My headcanon is that they just kept Kreia as a trophy because she was cut from the Force, and was thus powerless. Imagine if you made Palpatine a powerless fool, wouldn't you keep him as a joke in prison or w/e? I also believe that Revan manipulated Sion and Nihilus to betray Kreia, which explains why the Ebon Hawk went back to its last location, which was Malachor V and why Sion was pursuing Kreia until she found the Exile on the Harbinger. T3 had a backup order from Carth that if anything happens to Revan to return to the last planet and find help, which is what probably gave Kreia the opportunity to escape.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The cutscene is in TSLRCM now, but one thing doesn't make sense that to me. Nihilus eats the force, which is literally keeping Sion alive. How then is Sion able to survive?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How then is Sion able to survive?
                Willpower. But yeah, Nihilus should technically eat Sion's Sith Force heal powers. He doesn't because they're meant to be opposites that can't be destroyed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't they kill her?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They took her power and to them power is everything, so living without any is worse than death from their pov

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So basically they gave her the Dantooine council treatment. That helps explain why she thinks people can live without the force, she's an example as well as the exile.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and no, she wasn't cut off completely from the force but it was crippling at the time and proved how her teaching up till now were fruitless.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever George says must be taken with a gain of salt, Look how he morphed the Jedi from Samurai to Monks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are samurai-monks. Both. He never morphed anything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Casts sophistry
        It's super effective!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am not the schizo gay that argues about Qui-Gon being evil racist or whatever. You replied to the wrong guy, buddy. No wonder, though, since you think the Jedi weren't always both Samurai and Monk.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Casts sophistry
            It's super effective!

            Rent free

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best girl.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You just know her sisters all sexually bullied her.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That just means they will all get bullied back after I dick Atris out of the dark side

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hmm, I should really play these games. I loved the movies but never read any of the expanded universe novels.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      playing 1 and 2 is fun
      very different mood wise tho. one can read 2 as being an antithesis to 1's thesis

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1 is a standard Star Wars story; simple, fun and a straightforward hero's tale. 2 is art.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2 is art
          Spoken like a r*dditor.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >t. filtered gay

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly he is kinda right. All videogames are art. KotOR 2 is just a lot better written than 2 and improves on some small mechanics.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, but it's a fact. Replaying KOTOR makes me want to self-harm due to the school level dialogue.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But it is star wars
              If you were so opposed to childish shit you would have the same reaction to kotor 2

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Perhaps you should replay KOTOR 2.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I replay it like twice every year
                so what? It has lightsabers in it? Then it is childish.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1 is a standard Star Wars story; simple, fun and a straightforward hero's tale. 2 is art.

        Sounds extremely good. I actually rented the first game for a weekend back when it came out, but I was like eight years old at the time and only had a little over a day to actually play it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gameplay wise it is just DnD 3.5 with a star wars coating

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >won't suck your dick
    pointless character

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like the death of the author schizo, continue the good work, i'll see you this week ok? say hi to the kids

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Exile was an absolute chad who had three woman slurping his dick

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *pussy

      exile is female

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And Ray is a Skywalker, huh?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nah she is the antichrist, son of palpatine (satan)

          i dont understand why you would want the character with clear female-coded powers, relationships, weaknesses and strrengths to be a guy?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is much more interesting to me as a guy and you sound like you enjoy pulling things out of your arse, which means you also enjoy inserting things into it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the idea of a guy being sucked off by 3 women is the height of interesting
              These are the people shitting up star wars

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only thinks in sexual terms
                Total and complete gayry confirmed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was quoting

                >The Exile was an absolute chad who had three woman slurping his dick

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't worry
                modern star wars would never have a women praising a man in any way
                your women are superior bubble is safe

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well, let's go over things

              exile can't hack it in a war due to forming relationships and caring for each and every soldier under command ? check

              exile being compared to the autistic chess mastery that is revan, being the ultimate sun and male brained moron in kotor, and being utterly mogged? check

              exile being weak without bonds with others? check

              exile having vampiric powers, doesnt actually create anything herself, and has powera taken or gifted from others over and over? does it sound male or female?

              exile constantly gets knocked out, needs saving, needs ~protection~ from guys like atton? check

              large parts of the game is spent managing your little highschool clique to a degree that revan never could, or had any interest in? check

              the yin yang, sun moon imagery of 1 + 2 is remarkably clear dude. yes jedi jesus is "cool" but he is also not the intended way. basically a fanfic tier aberration

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All that reddit spacing garbage is supposed to convince me?
                You sound like you write for the mouse

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but you might be too retarded to convince. Doesn't mean everyone else is.

                It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am totally convinced you are a completely

                different

                person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there's only one person in the thread and no one can think that I am dumb for writing dumb things

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You really think your pic proves anything?

                lol

                lmao, even

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >exile can't hack it in a war due to forming relationships and caring for each and every soldier under command ? check
                Being in a war in the first place is already male coded.
                Soldier is absolutely alsmost exclusively male coded
                >exile being compared to the autistic chess mastery
                Chess mastery and military prowess are exclusively male again
                >exile being weak without bonds with others? check
                men have bonds. This is not female coded
                >exile having vampiric powers,
                Every famous vampire is male what he fuck are you talking about?
                >exile constantly gets knocked out, needs savi
                fair that is female coded but doesn't happen a lot
                >large parts of the game is spent managing your little highschool clique
                which is not only women
                and the leaders and people who manage those are not women either
                >the yin yang, sun moon imagery of 1 + 2 is remarkably clear dude
                meh.
                All of KotOR 1 and 2 is fanfic if you want to make that argument about canon

                Exile makes more sense as a man now that I think about it. You actually convinced me the female is the wrong way given his soldier past and vampiric nature.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what if i just say the opposite thing with no thought behind it
                you are a retard lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But soldier and vampire are male coded are they not
                Every famous vampire is male
                So is soldier

                how can you argue those make more sense for a woman?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                soldiers might be, but exile's job is not soldier.
                in any case, she wasn't made for war. such is the case when women join. they can't do the necessary thing or put feelings aside. exile is literally incapable of that, which is why she spends 10+ years in a depression.
                that's the entire point of the comparison, which you glossed over, which is why i'm calling you a retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire point of his character is that he followed Revan into war when many Jedi refused, nothing female about that.
                Having emotions and getting PTSD from the unimaginable horrors of battle isn't exclusive to the whamen either

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >soldiers might be, but exile's job is not soldier.
                But his past is
                But he went to war

                Just going to war and being a soldier even jsut trying it is exclusively male.
                I get your point. The exile failed at war and women would sooner fail at war.
                But that is like saying the exile had a failed pregnancy
                so it must be a male because failing at pregnancy is male

                Except being pregnant in the first place is the feminine thing
                Going to war in the first place is the male thing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats only one aspect of it. exile was unprepared for war. exile steals life essence from others. exile needs people around her. exile has far more cerebral relationships compared to the previous games. most battles are fought with words, not brawn. exile has a beta orbiter in atton and a creepy stalker in sion.

                all these are feminine qualities. taken together it spells out a truth: exile is female, or gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >exile steals life essence from others.
                I still strongly disagree that vampires are female coded
                The mysoginist in me wants to agree that women suck the life out of people more than men but realistically vampires have mainly been men.
                >exile needs people around her.
                So does revan

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in mythology, taking the essence of others is female. look at tantric yoga. the most pedestrian and common form of this is ingesting the male's semen. this takes effort produce for a man, so in a purely physical, medical aspect, she has taken his life force.

                but it works in ways more than one. being a receptacle for substance is a female quality. sperm, yes, but also money, attention, energy. women consume in excess, always have done. the buddhists viewed women as the biggest obstacle to nirvana

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >in mythology, taking the essence of others is female.
                yes but seductively and through trickery

                FORCEFULLY is very much male coded
                and especially vampires are males

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So does revan
                as subjects maybr

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                holy shit are you full of yourself
                are you actually a whamen?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cerebral
                >words, not brawn
                You are mistaking a man for a retarded ape. This is peak femoid-level retardation. You probably think jumping straight to violence is a hyper-masculine thing to do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                typical commie gay

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if...
    Now hear me out on this....
    I have sex with it instead...
    And then make a chosen one in the womb orf an old lady on a dusty sand planet thousands of years from now

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you guys min-max around combat only in kotor 2?
    In KotOR 1 it is fine to be a combat only with maybe some points in persuasion but in KotOR 2 you are missing half the content unless you are a skillmonkey.
    So many conversational skill checks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like one shotting things. Plus, relying on your party members for combat is a sign of weakness.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's like that expanding brain template where it goes from
      >neglecting skills because you don't know how broken crafting is
      to
      >playing Sentinel for the skill points to pass any skill check in the game
      to
      >neglecting skill points because Bao-Dur lets you pass 99% of the skill checks in the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        skill points because Bao-Dur lets you pass 99% of the skill checks in the game
        Most of the skill checks in kotor2 are only skill checks for the exile

        Or am I missing something and this is a small brain moment?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think anon means any skillcheck related to doors, computers and droids.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    KOTOR 2 is like the Prequel to the Prequels on a thematic level. A lot of Kreia’s criticisms of both the Jedi and Sith become prophetic in Episodes I-VI. I think Luke and Ashoka are the only Jedi she’d actually approve of.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If queen Thalia wins then Onderon will be absorbed into the Republic and lose its identity
      >Clone Wars depict Onderon as a mutted Republic world just like any other, no hint of self or identity
      I can't remember the last time a fictional character made such accurate predictions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The whole Onderon arc was accidentally a vidya presentation of the Brexit debate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Barely, Brexit has happened but the fate of bongland stays the same

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Given that the EU countries will eventually become one country as per the treaties it's going to make a big difference one day. It took 4 millenia between KOTOR 2 and The Clone Wars.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Implying the EU will survive the next 2 decades
              lel
              If they had the help of actual Jedi, maybe but not as it stands.
              Besides, bongland increased shitshin immigration, they won't be a country either by your timeline.

              >no hint of self or identity
              Saw Gerrera and his gang rode the beasts. So some hint of identity remained, though in splinter militia groups that tried to reclaim Onderon from the CIS and their puppet king. Their mistake was aligning with the Republic after the hard-fought victory, which turned into another occupation a few months later.

              Good point but I wonder if Saw even knows that Onderon used to be independent back in the day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no hint of self or identity
        Saw Gerrera and his gang rode the beasts. So some hint of identity remained, though in splinter militia groups that tried to reclaim Onderon from the CIS and their puppet king. Their mistake was aligning with the Republic after the hard-fought victory, which turned into another occupation a few months later.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, it probably helps that they were in the midst of the Prequel trilogy when KOTOR 2 came out, so Avellone and the others may have drew influences from the Prequels.

        Not really. Kotor 1 is original Star Wars but with ideas about the prequels regarding attachments/love being bad (even if love saves Bastila because Bioware misunderstood RotJ's ending). Kotor 2 is, as Avellone described it in interviews in 2003-2004, Empire Strikes Back. Darker and deeper. It's also correct to view it analogously from original movies vs prequels because the prequel movies go into more philosophical depth than the original movies.

        KOTOR 2 is most like Revenge of the Sith in terms of tone, themes and atmosphere. Of course, Avellone couldn’t say that because KOTOR 2 predates the release of ROTS by a few months. You could put any of the political scenes or the scenes with Palpatine and Anakin in KOTOR 2 and it wouldn’t feel out of place at all.

        It's like that expanding brain template where it goes from
        >neglecting skills because you don't know how broken crafting is
        to
        >playing Sentinel for the skill points to pass any skill check in the game
        to
        >neglecting skill points because Bao-Dur lets you pass 99% of the skill checks in the game

        You missed one:

        The ascended brain take is that really you can make any build you want to make because absolutely every possible build in the game is busted in some way.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Mandalorians will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history and in the all that remains is the shell of their armour on the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi
          Even Avellone made regular trips to the PT film sets this kind of prophecy is amazing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. Kotor 1 is original Star Wars but with ideas about the prequels regarding attachments/love being bad (even if love saves Bastila because Bioware misunderstood RotJ's ending). Kotor 2 is, as Avellone described it in interviews in 2003-2004, Empire Strikes Back. Darker and deeper. It's also correct to view it analogously from original movies vs prequels because the prequel movies go into more philosophical depth than the original movies.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is she the only truly Nietzschean character in gaming?

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will we ever see the true sith?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck no, even TOR had imploded there is no current day company that could deliver on that.
      Even Avellone and Obsidian aren't reliable anymore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      best i've ever heard was some Ganker idea where they'd focus on the last of the pureblooded sith, a guy that could pass as a zeltron

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kill the Force
    "OMG THE MOST BASED CHARACTER IN ALL OF STAR WARS!"
    >It's time for the Jedi to end
    "N-NOOOOOOO MY CHILDHOOD! STAR WARS IS RUINED!"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well Kreia was a new character and not an established different character

      If Kreia was an older Bastila and was otherwise just the same "kill the force character" she would get the same criticisms.
      you retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah totally, just like they were okay with any number of Gary Stus but draw the line at Rey right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that is a different issue. My point is that the complaints about Luke are about an established character being this idea.
          You sound like the gays who say Donte is fine because he acts like Nero and people like Nero
          you miss the point. Either intentionally to make a bad faith argument or unintentionally because you are retarded

          Either way I will call you a gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you twitter tourist like this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't, they barely pretend to do so while making pathetic shitposting attempts

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to make love to her, no strings attached.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the character that filtered thousands

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The OT and PT are equally good because they all serve as one story.

    Prequel haters never understood SW to begin with and just wanted the movies to be popcorn flicks. The PT elevates the OT and gives it additional depth.

    I suppose the one good thing about the ST is that it’s a textbook example of why pandering to OT purists is a horrible idea and why Lucas was right all along.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn prequelfags still exist? I guess having the sequels to shit on empowered you
      Someone could just as well defend the sequels with a shitty argument like yours
      >Sequel haters never understood SW to begin with and just wanted the movies to be popcorn flicks. The ST elevates the OT and gives it additional depth.
      See? Just as nonsense as your retardation.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so does kreia prove to be someoe4n important or is she juhst the krochety old lady who decides to throw herself under your lightsaber in ther end?

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