he is saying most players enjoy spending 100 hours grinding out a single retarded tank that is the same shit as the one below it just some different number plugged into the framework and it has a different 3D model on top of the skeleton
>>I don't get it, why not follow the cosmetics approach to monetizing? It seems safe.
Because one of the game's main mechanic is covering yourself up with bushes so you can hide in the map's bushes, while you have turned down your graphics to not render map bushes past a certain distance. This lets you safely pick clueless players like a fucking gay. Bushes also make it hard to identify a tank and target their weakpoints. There still are cosmetics but they just make it easier to notice you.
I suspect they probably count literally all player accounts including those who installed it played for several hours and dropped. I doubt that among actually active players 80% have never paid.
There's no reason to spend money without lots of prey to hunt. Making free players experience agony is never going to change the average 20% of players who ever spend money on free games. They would make more money by emphasizing retention since that brings more players. Oops.
>They would make more money by emphasizing retention since that brings more players.
The players who want their combat flight sim will continue to play it. If someone doesn't like combat flight sim gameplay, they'll play something else. >Making free players experience agony is never going to change the average 20% of players who ever spend money on free games.
The paid players' experience is also agony, asshole. It's a war game. It's slightly less punishing than the real thing, you don't die when you get blown up by an Afghani child with a crude bomb vest.
The act of agony should not be the repair bill from getting shot down instantly in battle, you're supposed to simulate the fighting not the economic strain
>The act of agony should not be the repair bill from getting shot down instantly in battle, you're supposed to simulate the fighting not the economic strain
Literally skill issue then, I do agree.
I hate to break it to you but my experience of SL nerfing has lead to me just breaking the game in various ways and being a pest to people while being entertained to their detriment and also seal clubbing or forcing objective wins solo. I don't feel any emotions about the wars playing this game and I have direct familial relations Nazi's and allies. I only play it because no one else is occupying the niche market. Making people grind and miserable has nothing to do with war, it's actually a method of psychological manipulation and torture trying to force behaviors out of people. That's inhumane on it's premise.
>inhumane
You know they're a Russian game developer, right? Gaijin's doing significantly less than the government.
Honestly if you consider War Thunder "suffering", then you don't like it. Go play something else instead. Actually, no, go play DCS. You can have every vehicle in the game.
>want to squeeze paypigs harder >willing to remove themselves from both steam and Microsoft store
Aren't they going to lose roughly 80% of their PC playerbase? how much do they make off console?
They have their own launcher. They don't need Steam or Microsoft Store. Steam is DRM anyways.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't seem to understand so let me provide clarity. I'm not suffering, a lot of people are however. They just want to relax and play a normal game and not be punished for playing it. Gaijin has continuously waged war against normies and the 80% unwilling to spend.
They convinced themselves with all the other gambling algo abusers that losing streaks and punishment will force buys but they are bleeding a stone so hard that the attrition rate will not keep the golden goose laying. It's a spectacular fuck up at the games apex in player count. Worthy of admiration and praise lmao.
They can poz the game up any way they like. They can even shut it off and my hours and money with it. I'm still going to laugh at the obvious.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not suffering, a lot of people are however
That's a them problem. People with an imagination can have fun playing War Thunder. >They just want to relax and play a normal game and not be punished for playing it.
They're not willing to put in the effort, they want to jump in and get everything and have everything for free. They do not understand how the game works, it's their problem if they can't figure it out. This is true for any competitive multiplayer. You don't get to play World League soccer against Brazil when you've only kicked the soccer ball around the field in middle school.
>Literally skill issue then
Retard, you don't fucking get it.
I get it, you don't. I get that people don't get this game, that is why they are critical of the game. They are screaming at a brick wall. I'm obligated to smack them in the back of the head.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kek that attitude is exactly why the game is shooting itself in the foot. Free players are working for the game publisher as content creators. Abusing your most vital resource is never going to go well. You can make excuses but in the end you're on a canned hunt with nothing to shoot if they keep it up at this level. It's fun to watch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
To be fair, it's been shooting itself since 2014 when they ditched the rank system and added battle ratings. But only real motherfuckers know this. That was also the time the algorithms were created so the developers never had to work again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I remember I started in January of 2013. I can just never stomach the game for more than a few months on and 6 months to a year off. They just need to remove repair cost completely and let people play with the old systems.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Kek that attitude is exactly why the game is shooting itself in the foot. Free players are working for the game publisher as content creators. Abusing your most vital resource is never going to go well
oh hello there
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
TF2 isn't locking it's playerbase up in wierd BR ranges based on their kit.
I dunno anon, PlanetSide 2 is still a thing despite everything you've said being the case for 10 years.
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kek
Literally turn off auto repair and skill your crews up in tier II.
That's what reasonable people do. Now imagine if you would being able to play high tier matches not only fast, but with plenty more fodder because there's no fear or them not bothering because it's a waste of time and money. If Gaijin ran a farm all the animals would be skin and bones starving.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If Gaijin ran a farm all the animals would be skin and bones starving.
wat
that's just retarded and you know it. what's next, food analogies?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was a food analogy :^). Gaigarden gnome has always acted like starving a cow will get it to produce more milk. Personally I want to see retards able to freely participate at all levels instead of matches that are 80% premiums 1 death and leaving. Give people a reason to spam respawns instead of 1 and done.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
At mid tiers the game doesn’t incentivize respawning if your team is losing. It’s more about doing well individually. At high tiers I won’t respawn because I am not going to sacrifice funds so some fag in an airplane can get a free kill on me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not that hard to understand.
looking at profiles IS gay. look at game lists, thats how you find out about people who are based, like me. whatya got, 400 hours in dota or something lame
>leaving meme games idle to have a huge hours count
yeah that was funny in 2010 when someone had 10,000+ hours in bad rats, now it's trite
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Literally skill issue then
Retard, you don't fucking get it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A Lot of F2P PC games playerbases are from steam
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I kinda wish they would all move off Steam like it was before. Some people remember. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Having it all on steam would be nice if they didn't have their useless fucking launchers on top of it anyway. It doesn't matter anyway, playerbases are fragmented between chudcords and forums now regardless. No F2P game has a real sense of a unified community anymore.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I dunno anon, PlanetSide 2 is still a thing despite everything you've said being the case for 10 years.
I remember I started in January of 2013. I can just never stomach the game for more than a few months on and 6 months to a year off. They just need to remove repair cost completely and let people play with the old systems.
kek
Literally turn off auto repair and skill your crews up in tier II.
I hate to break it to you but my experience of SL nerfing has lead to me just breaking the game in various ways and being a pest to people while being entertained to their detriment and also seal clubbing or forcing objective wins solo. I don't feel any emotions about the wars playing this game and I have direct familial relations Nazi's and allies. I only play it because no one else is occupying the niche market. Making people grind and miserable has nothing to do with war, it's actually a method of psychological manipulation and torture trying to force behaviors out of people. That's inhumane on it's premise.
>The players who want their combat flight sim will continue to play it. If someone doesn't like combat flight sim gameplay, they'll play something else.
This is an online competitive game, gay. As such, retention is important for it to be relevant to any player, free or paid or obsessed. Online competitive ecosystems need a constant supply of noobs and lessers for pros and p2ws to prey upon, brag to, and uplift or the game dies.
Gentrification means death just like it does for real communities. That's why the gay devs are like >omg no revewbomb pls!!1!
because they know that will ward off new blood, even if they make bank in the short term from addicted paypigs. Coincidentally, the devs are just as retarded as you, believing that reworking the new / free player experience to be even more of a grind to the point of impossibility will somehow have no consequences for the population.
Review bombing is just a symptom of retarded devs, and asslicking apologists like you should choke on a bag of dicks.
Why the fuck would they increase the grind anyway? It was already grindy 7 years ago when I played. They added a shit ton more planes and factions since, so getting to the final plane takes even longer now. Nobody is blasting through the content for free either way.
Slav logic, I swear. That's why their country is such a shitter.
I'm yet to see a single webm that actually makes me wanna play War Thunder or there is "gameplay"? because i think is the same garbage of idle and building shit, same that Clash of Clans or Raid Shadow Legends
>journos
Wrong, it's pushed by dev/publishers/gabe/etc. because negative reviews lead to "lost sales" aka lost shekels. That's why they constantly remove negative reviews but never positive.
It was perpetuated by journos trying to discredit player dissatisfaction.
Even if we accept the term, you can barely find situations where "review bombing" weren't justified. At least if we only count reviews written in English.
review bombing term seems to come from asia where peeps bomb games for asinine reasons like character story doesn't fit their liking or game collabs with some idol they don't like(korea/china mostly).
western peeps get roped into this when only reasons ppl organize protests in west is against monetisation. more inclined to send death threats personally for stuff they don't like personally.
A longtime ago one of the Yudintsev brothers said that people only visit the forums to leave negative feedback so they are worthless as a measure of player feedback.
I agree but I don't like negative feedback because it's "constructive" or some bullshit, it just gives you the motivation to get better out of spite so you can prove the gays that shit on you wrong.
>Mfw the Pentagon revs up every available server far they have and commands it's army of bots to leave mass amounts of negative reviews, ensuring that war thunder is shut down and they no longer have to worry about top secret specs and details being leaked >Mfw the Chinese and Russians do the same
Something something strange bedfellows
ive never played this game but im going to guess the problem it has.
you have to spend 10+ hours or maybe even 100+ hours to grind an in game item of value that someone else can just but for $5-100?
Or is it actually worse?
It's a lot fucking worse.
You grind 1000+ hours for an item that someone else can just buy premium for that simply shortens the grind to a whooping 500+ hours.
Isn't it better for paypigs to only be able to shorten the grind than to skip it all together though? Assuming everyone can still get the same items just at different levels of effort
>Assuming everyone can still get the same items just at different levels of effort
LOL, lmao even >Ka-50 blows every other heli out of the water >2S38 is superior and lower BR than the Strf 40's >a period where a Su-25 with all-aspect missiles could face a fucking Korean War plane (only the prem one though, the free one was higher BR)
the only help is that paypigs are retarded and WT needs a lot of keybinds which they probably don't know about.
Imagine you were playing call of duty but you had to pay repairs each time you got killed. Then your gun would only be 70% effective until you spent 20-100 hours grinding the one gun. But that's not all. Based on your kit you will have to que up and be placed with other people with a similar performing kit. Sounds good in principal until the game puts you in multiple matches with a BR a full tier higher than you. Up to ten times in a row to force a mass losing streak so that you will buy premium time and premium weapons.
You cannot usually pay your death repairs unless you do well. If you do do well the game caps your performance. The more you kill the less it's worth. Only gold weapons tend to let you break even or profit from matches and even then if you use a lvl 5 gold weapon to research a level 2 gold weapon it doesn't work well, same for the inverse.
Then certain weapons are so OP they just break everything so the repair cost is insane, so you end up with matches where 80-90% of the players all have the same gold weapon, because they have to grind to even play matches with the insane repair cost. Now imagine that you could play this for thousands of hours and ten years and only have unlocked some of the high end content but have no real reason to play it since it's torture.
It's a lot fucking worse.
You grind 1000+ hours for an item that someone else can just buy premium for that simply shortens the grind to a whooping 500+ hours.
Even when you pay money you still suffer.
why do people play this then? this is torture.
if the game is designed from the ground up to be as horrible as possible so you'll give them money to make it less horrible?
its a fucking tank/plane shooting war simulator.
what kind of studies do they do when they add this stuff to games now?
i mean, it has to work if A: people are still addicted even when its this bad and B: they are making millions of dollars of it.
it defies all logical sense and im mad.
They play it because it's the only mass multiplayer flight and war simulator. This game breaks MMO junkies, I should know because I'm one of them. I played it since 2013 through every horrible nerf. I probably encouraged some of the nerfs. Every time players find a way to game the glacial progress of the game Gaijin crushes it and punishes everyone. They have been in a cold war with players the entire time. It's basically a co-dependent abusive relationship at this point.
I only play off and on because of it. I can only stomach so much of War Thunders grind and I'm the kind of player that spends hundreds to thousands of hours in MMO's or other tear inducing grind simulators. It's unfortunate but what happens when you use gambling principals on games. You end up with degenerates.
because it fills a very specific yet popular niche of a vehicular combat game that has somewhat realistic vehicle characteristics with enough concessions for playability that it isn't a super mega autism simulator and isn't World of Tanks/Warships (which has its own pile of issues).
because it was formulated with psychologists that specialize in addiction
the mechanics suck you in and make you addicted
it's a revolving door of dopamine hits from doing well, to depths of depression and rage from getting fucked
and just when you have had enough and are about to uninstall, you have an amazing game and get dopamine hits
cycle repeats
I uninstalled about 1.5 years ago after spending probably $150 in it over 5 years or so
I've reinstalled it probably 4 times
everytime I do I play 1-2 matches and immediately remember why I uninstalled and uninstall it
so they consult psychologists to make people as addicted as possible and then you end up a depressed addicted fucking mess and need to go see a psychologist.
yeah, I need to get off my computer today.
>why do people play this then?
Because the game itself is fun and most of the problems only emerge at high tiers which are played by 10% of the population.
>Because the game itself is fun and most of the problems only emerge at high tiers which are played by 10% of the population.
Go work on another tree that's not United Sherman, Russia or Germany. Hope you have a good starting tank for France.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't play ground forces, sorry. Plane RB only. Tanks ruined this game.
It's the Cold War/modernshit autists that are fucked the hardest. The WW2 vehicles are mostly early unlocks so fans of that are barely affected. A new player could probably unlock the Tiger tank in 20-40 hours depending how shit they are, but if you want to play the early Leopard 2 tanks then lmfao have fun grinding 800-1200 hours.
what makes the 800+ hour grind tank better? do you legit do 100% more damage or 100% more armor or less maintenance costs?
if we are talking about (which I think is true, tell me) grinding 800+ hours for a 0.5%-1% better tank, yeah, you guys are silly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
bro one it's a Tiger tank and the other is a Leopard 2, War Thunder is modelled "realistically"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
only if you're masochistic enough to grind all the way, they have purposely introduced many ways for paypigs to wallet their way to top tier, much to the detriment of the high tier matchmaker. It's especially bad in planes, the F-4S, A-10A Early, and Su-25K have ruined ARB forever.
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well it's a linear progression from interwar to modern day, of course an Abrams could solo an entire team of T-34s.
so its even worse, you grind 800 hours for a different skinned tank?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, the whole tank is different, it's just like a racing game, you have different cars with different stats, a R34 will be much better than a Peugeot 206, but you need to play first with the Fiat Uno to unlock it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no, vehicles are separated by battle rating so at 1.0 you have interwar light tanks like a Stuart or BT-5 while at 11.7 you have a T-90, Leopard 2, F-14, etc.
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Category:USSR_ground_vehicles
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nothing. The optimal way to play this game is with a premium account and only play premium vehicles. That is if you want to make any money at all.
only if you're masochistic enough to grind all the way, they have purposely introduced many ways for paypigs to wallet their way to top tier, much to the detriment of the high tier matchmaker. It's especially bad in planes, the F-4S, A-10A Early, and Su-25K have ruined ARB forever.
what makes the 800+ hour grind tank better? do you legit do 100% more damage or 100% more armor or less maintenance costs?
if we are talking about (which I think is true, tell me) grinding 800+ hours for a 0.5%-1% better tank, yeah, you guys are silly.
well it's a linear progression from interwar to modern day, of course an Abrams could solo an entire team of T-34s.
Vehicle combat games are hard to come by as it is. War Thunder is accessible, has a lot of vehicles, is active enough that you can easily find games with practically any vehicle, and the grind isn't that bad until late WW2. There is very little competition on the market for games where you just sit in a vehicle all day. It's usually some kind of combined arms thing where vehicles are present but you can't just endlessly spawn IS-2s because that would be OP.
>NOOOOOOOOOO A F2P GAME THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRINDY IS GRINDY HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why are warthunder fags like this?
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GIVE A BAD REVIEW TO A GAME THAT IS EXTREMELY GRINDY HOW COULD THIS HaPPEN NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post top tier lineup
post K/D
post =MOD= teamkills
post [FurCN], [W4RTG], and [Fmboy] kills
post nukes
post hand
post wall socket
oh wait, you can't.
>"YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!" >"THIS GAME HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRINDY AND IS STILL GRINDY!!" >"IT NEEDS TO NOT BE GRINDY!!!"
again, why are you "people" like this? was leaking classified government documents a dozen times not enough?
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GIVE A BAD REVIEW TO A GAME THAT IS EXTREMELY GRINDY HOW COULD THIS HaPPEN NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[...] >"YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!" >"THIS GAME HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRINDY AND IS STILL GRINDY!!" >"IT NEEDS TO NOT BE GRINDY!!!"
again, why are you "people" like this? was leaking classified government documents a dozen times not enough?
u wont fool us anton, fix this raggedy ass economy since you have time to shitpost
I think they yet again inflated repair costs for your vehicles that get damaged or destroyed in a match, to the point where a free-to-player has to be extremely sweaty just to break even, meaning that 90% of everybody in any given match are going to walk away at a net loss of in-game currency for even having bothered to play.
At high tiers vehicle repairs suffer some wild inflation and even if you have a premium account with a premium vehicle (so increased XP and game currency gains) if you lose one vehicle you might as well just quit right there. You can buy tokens that just let you spawn a vehicle for no cost, and you can also trade premium currency for in game currency, like in any obnoxious phone game currency system. It's obvious that they want at least anybody above Tier V or so to be so hard pressed to actually play the vehicles they unlocked that they just become paywhales spending literal hundreds of dollars a year not even to unlock vehicles but simply to offset the game currency costs of playing basic matches.
Over the years they kept nerfing xp and silver lion gains while increasing the requirements to repair and unlock vehicles. Now it's to the point where even the paypigs are struggling.
I find it weird how literally every other company abuses and rapes his playerbase, but THIS was the boiling point for war thunder players after being sodomized for 5 years
well when they push beyond that point... they get fucked
maybe in real life, someday i don't know people will be pushed too far? the amount of tolerance is insane towards woke agenda.
2-3 years ago it was still heavy grind but it felt somewhat fair for playing non-premium
when you had premium and used a premium vehicle, you would rocket through the tree
now premium acct+premium vehicle feels like non-premium 2-3 years ago
>TPBP.
you cant count.
what is the opinion of someone who is unable to count to five worth?
Y'know what frustrates me? That the community have an actual siginificant reaction NOW.
Not when they nerfed gains.
Not when they removed rewards for battle activity.
Not when they removed rewards for taking damage/dogfighting/being in combat.
Not when they made grinding for high-tier modules insane.
Not when free FPE/parts/abrams.
Not when they removed GE rewards and GE wagers.
Not when they gave certain nations 8-15k sl repair cost so if you spawn three times you have to have a 40-50k+ SL game to make profit.
Not when they made overpowered CAS as premiums that you can buy and ruin games.
Not when USSR and Germany always got preferential treatment.
The community is sheep and deserves everything coming to it.
>Y'know what frustrates me? That the barrel ran over when the water reached the threshold. >not when it was almost empty. >not when it was half full. >not when it was almost full.
>You'll still spend money.
You seem to have missed the point. The majority of their players do not spend money and are irrelevant to the developer. They literally do not care about f2p people only pay fags matter.
They might entice one person to spend $5 and that will make them jizz their fucking pants.
everyone already knew f2p games use AI and algorithim shit to balance the game design. thats why they are so cheap, low effort, and cranked out by the bucket every week on digital stores.
Reminder, in order of ascending importance:
1) Never play a game that tries to disable and forbid modding.
(It's okay if they don't have a SDK or anything to directly support it just as long as they don't go out of their way to restrict and forbid it).
2) Never play a game that is online only and has centralized servers.
3) Never play a game that has mtx/infinite spend.
( https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Infinite_spend )
There are very few F2P games that aren't extremely punishing to free players past a certain point. If you're having fun then yeah who cares. If you're trying to grind past some piece of shit and you're forced to use it for 200 rounds you could probably be having more fun doing something else.
You're right - it's not hard to play shitty games. That's the problem. You don't have infinite time, thus a game that asks you to spin in circles every day for months straight for the ability to continue playing the game is fucking garbage. People who play poorly-designed F2P games for years straight without spending money aren't even sentient. I can't imagine holding a coherent conversation with someone who says deranged shit like >I really enjoy the grind I was given, I would spend another 2,000 hours doing low-tier content in my favorite F2P game
I imagine it'd be like conversing with a hermit who does nothing but graze on grass for 16 hours every day because he "really enjoys the taste".
>if it's fun, play it >if it's not fun, don't play it
It IS easy. If "the grind" factors into your enjoyment and ruins it just don't play the game. Once the game gets too tedious for your taste just drop it. That's the only guideline that will never fail you.
You know what really fucking gets my goat about F2P BS like this? Its the same with ANY f2p game, with ANY MTX game, with ANY mmo, with ANY mobile game.
It completely breaks core principals of economics. First, MTX and digital currency like this aren't tangible and hold no scarcity. Not a good. You also are not getting an active supported, sustained action with terms either, you buy the MTXcoins and its don't. Not a service.
Second, you don't need a degree in computer science to know that its extremely scummy to charge what they charge for how little relative value you get in return, be it in fun or measurable in game rewards.
At the end of the day whats going on behind the scenes is something like this
>Your MTXcoins are stored as 1 LINE OF CODE. A SINGLE VARIABLE. var MTXcoins = 0; Easy shit. >Code runs that authorizes the payment >Code run that adds the amoutn of MTXcoins to your MTXcoisn integer. again 1 LINE OF CODE.
you are paying for an alrorithm to queue up your turn on the server processor to increment a single variable.
100 dollars to incriment a variable.
And somehow this is OK and legal and allowed for children to do. It fucking disgusts me.
The difference to the publisher if you were able to remove the payment code? Nothing. The difference for a consumer? Could be the difference between eating or not.
to be fair WT is spaghetti code beyond comprehension and disabling GE purchases would probably reverse gravity or something. Like that time when IIRC minor lighting changes broke all spalling for kinetic projectiles.
Eh, you could say this about all vidya. The code is already paid for, you're basically paying for the right to copy the code and execute it on your device. But people also pay to see someone press play in a movie theater and they also pay for the right to put penis in vagina so that's normal.
If you think free to play games can actually be fair with <1% of anyone actually buying shit to support the game you're an idiot that doesn't deserve free time nor money.
Y'know what frustrates me? That the community have an actual siginificant reaction NOW.
Not when they nerfed gains.
Not when they removed rewards for battle activity.
Not when they removed rewards for taking damage/dogfighting/being in combat.
Not when they made grinding for high-tier modules insane.
Not when free FPE/parts/abrams.
Not when they removed GE rewards and GE wagers.
Not when they gave certain nations 8-15k sl repair cost so if you spawn three times you have to have a 40-50k+ SL game to make profit.
Not when they made overpowered CAS as premiums that you can buy and ruin games.
Not when USSR and Germany always got preferential treatment.
The community is sheep and deserves everything coming to it.
No it won't, we'll get a half-assed fix, maybe get +10k SL and +1k RP across the board every match and then they'll promise fixes, support and resolution. Then it will die out after a year.
I think it's too late at this point as War Thunder has become popular with normies and the average trash 'gamer'. Previously it used to be somewhat 'niche', but for the past 2 years I've seen more people play WT or at least know about it than World of Tanks. They can sustain on those, the storm just has to blow over. I played with a few old gaming buddies a month ago to reconnect... over War Thunder. They had spent like 600$+ each on WT with sub 300hrs. That's more than me since beta and I buy premium constantly.
Maybe you didn't notice but some players complains or just plain left after one of those changes.
Sure, but too little, too late. The biggest one was free parts/fpe, which was another half-assed fix and people shut up pretty quickly.
>Runescape sets monthly fee higher MUH COSTS for online service >EVE Online sets monthly fee higher MUH COSTS for online service >WT nerfs game below ground MUH COSTS for online service
Not when they nerfed gains.
I left at this point and I'm sure I wasn't alone. The grind became so insane I was looking at years worth of playtime just to get to jets despite having 600 hours.
Only reason I played was to unlock Maus. Then they removed it from the research tree before I could start researchingit. No matter how bad or unbalanced it is, allowing players that are good at the game to keep the Maus whilst not allowing new players to get it is fucking retarded. Such a retarded ass company.
>fictional damage
and that is a good thing, word of tanks (last time played was 6 years ago and then 20 times on frend accout-laptop year ago) at least have a balance, not great but it have it,
what about World of Tanks?
fuck wot, if you want to play tier 9-10 you liiterary lose money and even more if you dare to shoot the gold ammo, unless you have premium, and you have to pay gold for eveything, garage sloot , equiping modules etc
try armored warfare, you will never run out of money, remove modues for free and put another, unlimited garage slots, and if you play rarely just log in every day to get day of premium after 4 days and some gold after 7
the only, and big problem i have with the game is the comunity is bad at the game and all tanks are too fast thus the spot mehanics do not work, "heavy" tanks are the best and too fast so flank is pushed before any spotting fun on range happen, it mostly leming rush and you cant utilise spoting mehanics
>and that is a good thing
yeah fucking awesome and 10/10 experience get oneshotted because rng say so instead to give to all ballistic and tanks realistic stats/armor
>devs do something stupid >review bomb and "nooo we're mad" >next cosmetic season or whatever the fuck comes out >everyone buys it anyways >they continue to do stupid shit >WTF WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN
who fucking cares this shit happens so often and nothing happens Payday 2 Dead By Daylight PoE Overwatch and such
I started playing War Thunder like a year ago, played for some months and then bought premium when it was on sale at the end of last year.
Once I got above tier 3 tanks, I'm losing money just playing the game. When I'm trying to power through plane tiers, I'm losing money too. Even with premium. I should not be able to lose lions by simply playing the fucking game. I wasn't around before everything kept getting nerfed like people say, so I don't even know what that was like. But the way it is now makes me want to uninstall.
I got sucked into world of tanks back around 2013 or 2014, can't remember what year exactly, but I spent at least $250 buying in game currency for that to get faster EXP to unlock more tanks faster. What a waste of money, I gave up on the game a few months after I started once I realized what a pointless grind it all was. I playhed world of warships too but spent no money on it and still made it to tier 9 US cruisers, but cruisers were trash in that game.
I hope bad word-of-mouth continues to spread for warthunder, removing their game from steam is pure hutthurt and people need to know just how mad these slimeballs truly are
It hasn't dipped below 10% positive yet for some reason, but those reviews aren't going away any time soon neither. Steam selling games like daikatana should have their store pages formatted like it's a circus attraction. "Roll up, roll up, everyone come and see the freak! Just $10 for a night of bewilderment!"
id love if the review description for 5% or lower was just "impressive" in that red text. or even a dumber meme like "wow".
i also hope steam keeps selling it, because i love the idea of a store selling a product with its terrible reviews plastered all over it. "yep, this is a total, utter piece of shit. 29.99 if you really...want it".
as you leave the store, you can hear another customer mutter "creep"
I can genuinely count the amount of Overwhelmingly Negative reviews on my fingers. That's how rare they are compared to the positive ones. You have to go out of your way to get battered this hard to unlock that exceedingly rare review score on Steam.
And they managed to actually get a bigger playerbase going over the years since coof hit and now they took a fat shit into everyones breakfast, amazing how out of touch with reality this company is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
everyone's been doing it
i seriously can't understand the thought processes that lead to this
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i seriously can't understand the thought processes that lead to this
Cyka blyat... western sanction make new supercar I want buy more expensive ~~*((
Tovarish developer please make player pay more in game *~~ They understand *~~*~~*~~*~~)
>grinding game
Never understood this. If you aren’t having fun playing WWII tanks why do you think you’ll have fun in newer vehicles.
Chads enjoy the entire experience or they spend their time elsewhere.
This would make sense if the MM wasn't shit. I haven't played in years now, but good luck having fun on a plane that gets matched against objectively superior aircraft just because they have similar BR.
It's too late to bargain with them now. The fact of the matter is no one wants this shit period. It's about time people realized they were being fleeced and stood up for themselves. If only "vote with your wallet" actually meant something and wasn't a useless mantra.
id love if the review description for 5% or lower was just "impressive" in that red text. or even a dumber meme like "wow".
i also hope steam keeps selling it, because i love the idea of a store selling a product with its terrible reviews plastered all over it. "yep, this is a total, utter piece of shit. 29.99 if you really...want it".
as you leave the store, you can hear another customer mutter "creep"
literally everyone who plays it cares given the unanimous backlash, it turns out sheep who have been worn down to the nub can still voice their outrage
>22,000 bad reviews in a single day
god, this is delicious. I've never seen a F2P do something this stupid and then double down while threatening to take themselves off steam
>while threatening to take themselves off steam
they're not threatening that at all, they're just removing the advertisement that its on steam because that's where anyone will go first to look and then see reviews/rating.
what they might do is try and pay google to fuck with the search results and push steam down, but i doubt they could get away with that with how large valve is
>he doesn't turn auto repair off >he doesn't have all the rank I-IV planes unlocked/spaded >he didn't train his crew to have the appropriate repair rank
ISHYGDDT
looking at profiles IS gay. look at game lists, thats how you find out about people who are based, like me. whatya got, 400 hours in dota or something lame
I'm impressed they got the blowback at the games peak in users lol. They have been retards the entire time. Free players are the games biggest source of content. Punishing them was always going to go badly. I say this with thousands of hours and hundreds spent. Nothing compared to the giga whales saying as much.
I think the only way to reasonably fix this is remove repair cost altogether and figure out how to balance out SL and RP gain in a way that encourages people playing the game instead of gaming the game. I don't know what they expected when they started a war between devs and players like this.
>want to squeeze paypigs harder >willing to remove themselves from both steam and Microsoft store
Aren't they going to lose roughly 80% of their PC playerbase? how much do they make off console?
both warthunder and world of tanks have the most p2w, predatory cancer mixed with aids monetization no other game i played comes even close to how unfun this shit is, seriously whats wrong with Russians why are they like this?
>HOW DARE YOU MOCK MY JUNKIE CAREER CRIMINALRINO!
I CANT BREABEEE!!!!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>fat troll >get banned for trolling >WAAH WAAH WAAH
sad, art of trolling is gone
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>How dare you mock this lowlife scumbag who held a pregnant woman at gunpoint and lived a wicked life, he was just getting his life back on track
I CANT BREATH
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
your trying to do some cringe moralistic gotcha now, you literally don't even know what trolling is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can troll for whatever reason you want you retarded chucklefuck
I CANT BREAFEEE
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>guy who put banana on wall tells Mikelangelo that he is artist as well
I doubt you'll understand but this is you, your level of trolling, it's so low and insignificant that even fat trolls from decades ago would look down on you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I CANT BREAFEEE
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
when was that even? were you in a coma since then?
Yeah, I got to the Japanese Sabre when that was the best plane. You couldn't do shit in it because Canadian Sabres were objectively better in every way and just unlocking basic shit like the G Suit took forever. Fuck Russians.
>War Thunder is over... >World of Tanks is the fucking same shit...
What game is out there to play with tanks that don't have greedy chinks/morons/vodka/money grabbers?
Modded steel fury Kharkov and Gunner Heat PC, One is old and you also need to put effort into getting it to run the other one is in Early Access and i guess there is also steel armor blazes of war all of them are a bit more on the simulation side of things and obviously the amount of tanks you get is also a lot lower compared to WT but at the least you only have to pay once to enjoy all of the content.
You don't get it... they are making you to lose money even if you play Tier1 because you are using free tanks instead of buying one of the premium/gold of Tier 1
That’s absolutely untrue. You don’t start running into any kind of potential losing money scenarios until you hit 6.0 ish and later on if you play Russian biased garbage behenchod
>you hit 6.0 ish
And what a coincidence that Gaijin advertises cold war and modern stuff as the main selling point of the game, which begins shortly after 6.0.
>mfw this worked for me
i thought biplanes and sopwiths were fucking awesome, i always chose them, and they are like, first, on every tech tree. comfy.
>Free users get fucked >Premium pay piggies get fucked
Why were people even playing this game to begin with? Few years ago one look at monetization kept me far away
The grind was already horrible.
You make it to tier IV and you might as well just repeatedly smash your balls. No idea how so many people managed to get Leopard 2s and shit. Bunch of NEET whales constantly throwing away money.
Also Gaijin doesn't have single good tank map in the game, they're all dota wannabe bs.
If you want to play a WW2 game, it's alright.
Want to try some high speed low drag modern equipment? Just smash your nuts instead, at least it will be over quickly.
Wait and see first if they address the huge shit they just left in the room.
Or you could just install it and see if you like the gameplay doesn't cost anything after all but don't expect to reach cold war Era stuff or early 2000 stuff in a reasonable time especially if you are planning ons taying F2P
dont take it seriously and dont get sucked into grinding for "the next plane". like other anon said, fuck around with ww2 planes and call it a day. youll know in a day or two if its your crack or not, and it IS crack, look how much salt its getting. its not people NOT playing the game crying about stat changes.
It's still good if you're only interested in early-mid WW2 vehicles. Even then you already missed out on a bunch of good vehicles that are either overpriced on the marketplace or not even available to buy now.
I just picked up war thunder recently because WoT was getting really boring
Im having some fun at like 3.3 ground battles but I can see this quickly becoming a death march
Don’t fall for the trap of grinding for specific vehicles. If you’re having fun at low tiers great, it’s a great game for you. If you are just grinding to high tiers don’t bother.
War Thunder is turned into a SHIT Thunder (aka Thunderstorm of SHIT), thanks to the IDIOTIC policy of the company called GAYjin (a gang of gay-criminals) with its IDIOTIC all-mighty-shithead bots...
>literally just started playing War Thunder 2 weeks >am loving the plane gameplay and >even bought premium a few times not thinking too much of it >now all this >won't even get to play with the jets before WT basically kills itself
low buy in is literally the slippery slope all of these games operate on. >oh it's only 5 bucks for battlepass or whatever retarded equivalent. >oh it's only 20 bucks for that [whatever skin looks cool to players that devs datamined from social media], might as well. >oh wow i've played this game for 1000 hours it's part of my personality now, i REALLY should pay the devs for their valuable time uWu. >hmm that new super premium [skin/feature that devs put some effort into] skin is out! it'd be really cool if i showed it off to my discord chud "friends"
on and on she goes. you think all whales are dumb mofos with no impulse control? a lot of them are just dumb ppl who get psyopped
i was about write a long retarded argument but there just isnt a real argument to what you said that exists. I shouldn't have have spent that money, at least not yet maybe. the plane combat is fun af and I got jebaited because I want to get jets.
Boy you will take literal months to get to jets so better to stick to prop kino and enjoy it while it lasts.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I feel a bit lucky that I personally find tank combat to be kind of boring so there's less to suffer through, although thats cope really.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
In a way yes and in a way no you will notice on some planes how dogshit they feel in stock but as a mainly ground player i guess it is more enjoyable to fly instead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
To be fair, War Thunder is certainly the best tank game i've ever played and i'll probably still play around in the low ranks every now and then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They certainly got the market niche in that regard but they have grown fat and greedy due to that having no real competitor other than WoT but they both play very different.
That being said if you can enjoy low tier then nothing wrong with it, personally i enjoy the cold war era stuff but there it starts to hurt if you are without premium time or even a vehicle in certain nations.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The low tiers is a good game all on its own and, this might sound kinda gay so bear with me but it's partly why I dont feel that bad about spending at least a little bit of money on War Thunder. I truly went into this game mostly blind (outside of the popular shit like the ssetth review and whatnot) but a plane game just happens to fit into the cross-section of desires of what I personally want from a video game at this moment in my life. In case you didn't know yet, Armored Core 6: Flames of Rubicon is GOTD(Game of the Decade :)) and planes and tanks are kinda like real life mecha so i gave the game a shot to pass the time. WT is just a good and fun game; it's everything surrounding the core gameplay that's ruining the experience. I expected a grind but I wasn't expecting such a grand scale to it; therefore, I've decided to stop spending money on it and just keep playing until I get bored. Maybe Gaijin will actually pull the game from steam and give me a legitimate reason to stop playing. I've wasted more money on stupider shit, I promise you my dude, but I think the game deserves a little bit of credit; idk, maybe I'm just "different" and I don't view money the same way as other people.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like the game a lot too but with how they handle it so far and if they decide to talk down on their playerbase more then it seems like it is time to move on to greener pastures and that is coming from someone that spent a good bit on the game but if they are so keen on killing their game then so be it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
its just kind of sucks that this happens just as I'm really getting into this new (to me) game but maybe this is a mercy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It might be once the game hooks you it his hard to let go why else are there so many reviews that go in the thousand hour mark.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
GHPC is early access but coming along pretty well. The Devs basis behind the game was they were sick of the WarThunder bullshit.
>still spend money to the predatory game
Still bad idea. You just encourage them to create the next level of the predatory game design. Killing them is not spending, so this will force the greedy devs to stop doing that shit.
The business model is that while you can theoretically get all vehicles in the game for free, they ramp up the grind and overall suffering as the vehicle tiers increase. This is so you buy premium (basically a subscription to suffer less).
The new update drastically increased the suffering so even being a paypiggie is painful.
It's honestly evil.
Don't forget the devs straight up said F2P games should be abusive so stop complaining! as a response to the negative reviews on Steam. These devs are unironically retarded and worse than gacha at this point. You don't fuck or insult the whales who fund your freemium game
you underestimate just how dumb whales are
2 whales are more useful and loyal (and more stupid/addicted) than 1500 f2p players from which you generate no revenue
Gaijin spent the past decade doing way more to fuck up the game and turn up the heat on the boiling frog that was their playerbase than actually improving it, from fucking up the economy as others have said, to pushing past the declared WW2 timeframe with cold war shit (mixed bag, could've been all fine if not for Gaijin,) to totally garbling all sense of what vehicles fight where and when by having shit with up to 20+ year technology gaps fighting under non-special historical event circumstances where it would make sense. Delaying and stealing shit from roadmaps they'd set early on for tanks to turn them into rewards for grindy events, premiums, vaporware. Removing content because 'is not historical, comrad, no more paper tanks *~~))' while allowing various Soviet equivalent failed napkinwaffe under the excuse of 'but we built at least the mock-up prototypes!' Finally, they told that playerbase to sit down and shut up and gave babby's first freemium game eco essay, while appending 'and don't review bomb us, retards, it won't work.'
Gaijin is notorious for being one of the few developers that holds open contempt for their playerbase. Over the years, they've added more and more anti-player bullshit into their game, largely in the realm of vehicle progression in the research tree. They actively fuck off suggestions, and it's only under increased community pressure/tantrums that they'll give in a few mm and make some half-assed change to placate the masses. This is well known by all and its' been essentially a running joke to get fucked by "the snail", because the core gameplay itself is good.
Anyways, Gaijin continuously ratchets down on the economy for years since launch, throttles how much ingame currency the player gets, and now its at the point where the braindead retards that get 1 kill per game can no longer make a continuous profit to pay the inane repair costs to fix your vehicle up for the next round when you die. Devs purportedly use the repair costs to help "balance" vehicles, but it is actually an excuse to fuck people - it actually has no real input in balancing vehicles. These get prohibitively more expensive as you play more modern vehicles (themselves extremely costly to purchase to begin with).
Reddit organized some boycott to not play the game, and then launched a review bomb of the steam page. Classic Gayjin writes a copepost telling people once again that they are fucking idiots, and Gayjin knows exactly how the player should play and progress. Also they moan about how review bombing isn't fair or some retarded plight, suggesting that players have always been free to make suggestions on their forums (that they have never checked, ever, or blatantly disregard). They also made a thinly veiled threat to turn off the game forever, making the whole post even more laughable and out of touch.
Now everyone is laughing, watching their steam score plummet (as it should have happened years ago), and waiting excitedly to see what dumb response Gayjin will come up with next.
Gaijin is notorious for being one of the few developers that holds open contempt for their playerbase. Over the years, they've added more and more anti-player bullshit into their game, largely in the realm of vehicle progression in the research tree. They actively fuck off suggestions, and it's only under increased community pressure/tantrums that they'll give in a few mm and make some half-assed change to placate the masses. This is well known by all and its' been essentially a running joke to get fucked by "the snail", because the core gameplay itself is good.
Anyways, Gaijin continuously ratchets down on the economy for years since launch, throttles how much ingame currency the player gets, and now its at the point where the braindead retards that get 1 kill per game can no longer make a continuous profit to pay the inane repair costs to fix your vehicle up for the next round when you die. Devs purportedly use the repair costs to help "balance" vehicles, but it is actually an excuse to fuck people - it actually has no real input in balancing vehicles. These get prohibitively more expensive as you play more modern vehicles (themselves extremely costly to purchase to begin with).
Reddit organized some boycott to not play the game, and then launched a review bomb of the steam page. Classic Gayjin writes a copepost telling people once again that they are fucking idiots, and Gayjin knows exactly how the player should play and progress. Also they moan about how review bombing isn't fair or some retarded plight, suggesting that players have always been free to make suggestions on their forums (that they have never checked, ever, or blatantly disregard). They also made a thinly veiled threat to turn off the game forever, making the whole post even more laughable and out of touch.
Now everyone is laughing, watching their steam score plummet (as it should have happened years ago), and waiting excitedly to see what dumb response Gayjin will come up with next.
At this point i am just waiting for the retarded subhuman russkie to pull the game off steam or update it with some really retarded shit as that copepost just shows how much they actually hate their playerbase that is playing and paying for their game as if you look at the reviews a good chunk of the players are people with several if not thousands of hours into the game i am one of them but instead of repairing the bridge they decide to demolition it completely at the least i don't have to bother with this game anymore and can play some other shit instead, what a retarded company.
Repair costs are not a problem, it's the lack of balance around them. I can lose 8k in a tank from any faction, but the slavs pay 3.5k in the same tier, with a premium they guarantee making money over it just by spawning in and getting hit. Shit like that and drones/KA-50 full premium lineups completely out of balance of the gameplay just make that investment even more ridiculous to maintain, even as a good player.
Repair costs have no reason to exist. Period.
If they need to slow down progression, just make the next plane more expensive. Having to fly a shit plane for a few matches to repair the plane you actually want to fly and bought already is retarded as fuck. Obviously, it makes sense in the sense of milking some paypiggie, but I guess they milked it too hard this time.
>Having to fly a shit plane for a few matches to repair the plane you actually want to fly
hmm
maybe that's a way to force players to play down in the lower levels and fill out the matches there instead of just at the maximum tier?
>instead of letting the playerbase pick and choose what tiers they want to work towards and stay in, force players to play dogshit tiers over and over again to get one match of a t6
hmm
maybe that's some dogshit game design
All it forces people to do is to lawn mow ground targets to afford repairs, which is safer than trying to hunt down enemy lawnmowers and getting shot down instead?
two big things >yes the game is free to play but if you want to play anything modern you'll be grinding at least couple hundred hours >game has a crew mechanic but you can boost crew stats with premium currency, meaning the same vehicle, driven by a paypig crew have significant advantages like 2 seconds faster reloads
>zoomers >playing warthunder
I'll admit playing a F2P game and expecting not to get fucked is like spreading your asscheeks against a gloryhole and thinking similarly but come on now
I don't want this thread to die just yet, but I have nothing to really add outside of a bump. Steam forums are still throwing a shitfit, steamcharts shows they're dropping active player count. I don't know who's still playing at this point.
It's the train wreck effect. I logged in just to see how bad the SL rewards have become but didn't even bother playing a match today. I haven't played in some time but expected this at some point. They will just use this as their excuse for going to Epic and from there who knows. My guess is after a decade of shitting on players with a terrible grind they aren't about to do the opposite even if it means saving face or the game.
Seeing them go to epic would be hilarious cope of the finest order.
"oh no the players demand we don't assfuck them with every update, fuck them lets go to epic"
>They will just use this as their excuse for going to Epic
I hope they have a fun time having all their potential revenue stolen by the Fortnite black hole. War Thunder has no chance competing against the world's fourth or fifth most popular form of communication
I played War Thunder once, 8 years ago. It was awful.
>started with some shitty russian tank i forget the name of >constantly matched against panzer IV's I couldn't do anything to and they could 1-shot me from any range at any angle >stick with it, unlock a basic T-34
This must be where the game gets good, right? >first match w/t-34, pitted against a tiger tank >get one-shotted across the map >alt-f4, uninstall, never even thought about it again until today
So did they ever de-gayify the matchmaking or is it still just as fucking gay 8 years later?
Instead of one T-34 there are now a dozen both premium and regular but i would say it got somewhat better, Russia is literally one of the most begginer friendly nations that being said i still don't recommend installing it again unless you really like tanks and still there are better alternatives for WW2 stuff.
>rampant cheating >worlds shittiest matchmaker >poor server performance >infinite calculations*~~*~~ >realistic mode enemy name tags >balance changes take forever and never actually fix anything >p2w as hell >refusal of devs to address problems
That was in world of tanks. She also got engaged to him, then cancelled their wedding and still lives with him? Dunno, I lost track of the drama when I stopped playing these slav grind simulators.
I don't think I've ever seen so few clowns on a popular negative review. Typically there's at least a few fanboys that can't stand their favorite game getting shat on. Definitely more than 3. lmao
How am i supposed to read this garbage and not be reminded of games like Dota, League of Legends, Overwatch, World of Tanks, World of Warships, Counter strike, etc etc and how none of them have to punish you for playing the game?
All those games are simply missing out on their own version of the repair cost. Just make it so the character you were playing is wounded in battle and needs time to heal but you can speed it up by paying money. Bam, easy cash.
WoT has progressively been making credits much more valuable as opposed to the relative ease you could make them years ago (just playing t8 with a good premium tank), and there is repair cost—playing >VIII (and X especially) can make you lose a lot of money without premium account time and boosters, doubly so if you've got a shit tank, and with all the consumables and "gold" ammo, too. The game mechanics are actively predatory but gayjin is just the cancer-est.
Let's be real in wot you needed a premium tank of tier 7-8 to pass beyond tier 8 (at least when I played it) since you would never have money to advance further. And t10 was not self sustainable.
Cant say much about the rest but Dota has every hero unlocked from start so you mostly buy cosmetics.
In LoL you do have to unlock every champion and real money can be used for that but it will give you zero advantage because even free or cheap champions are just as useful as new and expensive ones. The only thing that could be called p2w in LoL is that you can reach level 30 faster by paying therefore you unlock spells and runepages faster but it's all irrelevant because you aren't allowed to play ranked before that. So the real progression is like 1 week instead of 2 weeks and after that everyone has the same chance.
Can only speak for ships but it 100% punishes you for playing the game.
Hence the player base dropping off a cliff with the last several major patches doing increasingly more to make playing the game pure suffering.
gaijin is like this in every game. I play crossout which has gone from not too bad to grind to effectively pay to win, and f2p can't even progress over the last 8 years. I don't know why the devs do it, I would actually be willing to spend money on the game because I enjoy it so much, but not while they are openly hostile to anyone not giving them $1k a year.
Also as with all Russian f2p games, it suffers from devs don't play their own game syndrome. Or rather, they don't play it the same way a real person plays it, they use accounts with every single item maxed out, and have no concept of the suffering both f2p and piggies go through to get even a fraction of the items.
They must be taking Korean MMO lessons, because they start grindy p2w then bit by bit they take out gold farming strats just so people HAVE to pay.
Played ArcheAge, BDO, Lost Ark so far from start and the plan is always the same.
Don't care for war Thunder.Wasn't for me. prefer Sturmovik. B.A.T. mod. plenty of fucken planes and theaters of war. all for free. No need to grind or whatever it is. Shame really. Seemed interesting with the tanks. Keith
>last played like 7 years ago >just recently thought to myself >hey, that warplane game was cool >maybe I should pick it up again >see the current trashfire
oh well, guess I'm avoiding this one
Is there another game where I can fly planes and shoot down morons?
Any game with premium currency trading, for example warframe. It's essentially allows whales to legally outsource autistic grind to poorfags.
Whales buy plat. Poorfags grind loot. Whales buy loot from poorfags. Poorfags spend plat in premium shop. Everyone is happy. Dev got money, poorfags got access to paid content.
except they did it on purpose, they don't want any interaction like warframe because they want event vehicles like the Sd. Kfz 234/4 or Obj. 279 to go for 200 dollars on the market. Their entire business model is centered around history channel morons, turd worlders with their mom's credit card that think they're Michael Wittman, and mega-hyper whales.
Gaijin didn't realize it might have been a good idea to get a lot of smaller transactions between players instead of only having the larger purchases from whales?
maybe but remember that Gaijin explicitly actively dislikes its playerbase. They don't want the average player to have fun vehicles like the pak puma because that would mean they're having fun, and that goes against their business model. Which is making the average player suffer as much as possible so they buy premium time and overpowered premium vehicles to lessen the pain.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"predatory customer enticement system" is the name for the model
it allows them to switch between 2 things to grind, SL used to be easy to get, RP rewards were low
then it changed to RP was easy to get, and you had to grind SL
Now both are grindy, although RP is not that bad but SL is REALLY bad
they can say 'look we care about the community' by increasing the worthless XP, in this case RP
imagine a game where you can kill half the enemy team and still make a net lossin ingame currency because you died once
that's basically the current state of affairs and they tried to make it even worse
no more points for takeoff/landing
no more points for taking hits and surviving
win rewards got slashed hurting everyone with a positive win rate
SL costs raised at every turn, need to exceed 1 K/D to just break even playing the game in many planes
RP gains slashed and slashed and slashed again so premium players are at the same point F2P players were at 6 years ago, and F2P players have to be living gods to not go broke
the most absurdly tone-deaf moderation and devs you have EVER seen, holds its playerbase in active contempt
instead of balancing vehicles they raise the price to play them which just means a small cabal of elite players gets to sealclub with it
event that offer stuff have had their rewards cut time and again, and even the ones that are left are dogshit copy-paste
I could go on
why are people still playing this game, exactly?
i remember playing world of tanks too, that game was also dogshit
like get some better taste jk i know it's just thirdies, since they're the target audience of f2p games anyway
no more points for takeoff/landing
no more points for taking hits and surviving
win rewards got slashed hurting everyone with a positive win rate
SL costs raised at every turn, need to exceed 1 K/D to just break even playing the game in many planes
RP gains slashed and slashed and slashed again so premium players are at the same point F2P players were at 6 years ago, and F2P players have to be living gods to not go broke
the most absurdly tone-deaf moderation and devs you have EVER seen, holds its playerbase in active contempt
instead of balancing vehicles they raise the price to play them which just means a small cabal of elite players gets to sealclub with it
event that offer stuff have had their rewards cut time and again, and even the ones that are left are dogshit copy-paste
I could go on
both
there was a planned economy change that would ass fuck everyone even more
that finally solidified the playerbase to chimp out
Gaijin said "IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO"
but it was too late
now everyone wants the progression to be so easy that everyone gets a top tier vehicle after 3 days of playing
It's not that people want progression to be that easy. It's that they don't want to have to grind matches for hours just to be able to grind top tier vehicles that are cannon fodder until spaded. Top tiers are a ghost town for that reason. I want to see intense matches where people more than 1 and done then the player base can start whining about how gold for vehicle slots is pay to win. Once that's the biggest whine we will be on the path to healing.
I don't play top tier because it's 10% of sweaty neets and giga whales saying this is fine. Someone yesterday referenced some top youtuber documenting his spading of an F16 or something. Even someone with premium and top skill had to take 200 matches to spade it and millions of SL. Now apply this to normies and it gets even more insane. It can do with some scaling back but the most crucial component is making it accessible to the majority who don't have the time, income, skill or autism to be in the 10%. All it would do is make ques shorter and offer up more targets.
I've reached top tier ground in USA and im about to reach it with Japan and holy shit it does feel like a fucking ghost town after the 5 minute mark due to either the team filled with 1 death - 1 premium only vehicle, or a team fucking fumbles within the 8 minute mark that it basically fucking snowballs
you get more action in the mid tiers/ww2 and comebacks are actually possible
I do want a better economy because deciding to grind more than 3-2 nations is suicide
>200 dollars on the market
Oh btw can anyone check how much does KV-220 cost these days.
I can't even browse the market because DMM account with 3d katana decal blocks access.
The "G" is a USD, right? I remember it being $800 when it was first introduced into the market, sortly before I dropped the game.
Or at least people in chat claimed it was $800 when they accused me of being a whale, though I got it from the crafting event, before market existed.
Back then gaijin probably miscalculated crafting requirements and made it actually possible for f2p players to get one after merely 5-10 hours of grind per day for 30 days.
It used to be practically unkillable within its entire matchmaking range thanks to equally thick dual layer armor on all sides including layered turret ring, had better engine than all similar heavies, and decent enough gun.
In arkaden it could solo entire enemy team twice with little effort.
>0 thumbs up
>2907 comments
environmental storytelling
What is wrong about this?
he is saying most players enjoy spending 100 hours grinding out a single retarded tank that is the same shit as the one below it just some different number plugged into the framework and it has a different 3D model on top of the skeleton
Wow, they should really hire a PR person.
If my time with WT, WoT, and Tarkov has told me anything it's that slavs are allergic to PR
I don't get it, why not follow the cosmetics approach to monetizing? It seems safe.
Because you can't compel people to pay to continue playing, as with repair costs.
>>I don't get it, why not follow the cosmetics approach to monetizing? It seems safe.
Because one of the game's main mechanic is covering yourself up with bushes so you can hide in the map's bushes, while you have turned down your graphics to not render map bushes past a certain distance. This lets you safely pick clueless players like a fucking gay. Bushes also make it hard to identify a tank and target their weakpoints. There still are cosmetics but they just make it easier to notice you.
Naturally, bushes are paid.
sounds like a shit game.
if you overdo it you end up like pso2 where the game install is 95% cosmetics taking up 150+ gb and 5% actual gameplay content taking up 20gb.
tldr?
game is already super grindy, F2P players can barely make it to certain vehicles, not playing perfectly already can make you lose money
devs decide the grind isn't bad enough, plan on reducing money rewards
>big data told us we can increase farming time just because we can
>please don't review bomb game uwu
>oh shit the community is actually mad at us this time and we're in too deep to turn back now.
Skill issue
Can't believe I wasted 20 dollars on this pile of shit
what did you buy?
gay shit
What's with the random unrelated images?
Russians couldn't get communism to work and now you expect them to make a video game economy work. Never again
That's why Russia lost the wars.
USA was funding bolshevik revolution too.
>80% of players have never paid
>i'm part of the 20%
there is nothing in my life i'm more ashamed of.
I suspect they probably count literally all player accounts including those who installed it played for several hours and dropped. I doubt that among actually active players 80% have never paid.
how does the thumbs up/down work?
do thumbs down negate a thumbs up?
or does a single thumbs up stay in the display no matter what?
I refuse believe there isn't at least one person who thumbed up if not for "lololol trelling" alone.
Thumbs down negates thumbs up
because we can't have hurt feelings in the internet anymore
Oh I see, it's a bit better than garden gnometube where they only show the thumbs up count and it's not negated by thumbs down at all.
I totally agree with them, most gamers are retards and don't understand that video games are products for people to spend money on.
There's no reason to spend money without lots of prey to hunt. Making free players experience agony is never going to change the average 20% of players who ever spend money on free games. They would make more money by emphasizing retention since that brings more players. Oops.
>They would make more money by emphasizing retention since that brings more players.
The players who want their combat flight sim will continue to play it. If someone doesn't like combat flight sim gameplay, they'll play something else.
>Making free players experience agony is never going to change the average 20% of players who ever spend money on free games.
The paid players' experience is also agony, asshole. It's a war game. It's slightly less punishing than the real thing, you don't die when you get blown up by an Afghani child with a crude bomb vest.
The act of agony should not be the repair bill from getting shot down instantly in battle, you're supposed to simulate the fighting not the economic strain
>The act of agony should not be the repair bill from getting shot down instantly in battle, you're supposed to simulate the fighting not the economic strain
Literally skill issue then, I do agree.
>inhumane
You know they're a Russian game developer, right? Gaijin's doing significantly less than the government.
Honestly if you consider War Thunder "suffering", then you don't like it. Go play something else instead. Actually, no, go play DCS. You can have every vehicle in the game.
They have their own launcher. They don't need Steam or Microsoft Store. Steam is DRM anyways.
You don't seem to understand so let me provide clarity. I'm not suffering, a lot of people are however. They just want to relax and play a normal game and not be punished for playing it. Gaijin has continuously waged war against normies and the 80% unwilling to spend.
They convinced themselves with all the other gambling algo abusers that losing streaks and punishment will force buys but they are bleeding a stone so hard that the attrition rate will not keep the golden goose laying. It's a spectacular fuck up at the games apex in player count. Worthy of admiration and praise lmao.
They can poz the game up any way they like. They can even shut it off and my hours and money with it. I'm still going to laugh at the obvious.
>I'm not suffering, a lot of people are however
That's a them problem. People with an imagination can have fun playing War Thunder.
>They just want to relax and play a normal game and not be punished for playing it.
They're not willing to put in the effort, they want to jump in and get everything and have everything for free. They do not understand how the game works, it's their problem if they can't figure it out. This is true for any competitive multiplayer. You don't get to play World League soccer against Brazil when you've only kicked the soccer ball around the field in middle school.
I get it, you don't. I get that people don't get this game, that is why they are critical of the game. They are screaming at a brick wall. I'm obligated to smack them in the back of the head.
Kek that attitude is exactly why the game is shooting itself in the foot. Free players are working for the game publisher as content creators. Abusing your most vital resource is never going to go well. You can make excuses but in the end you're on a canned hunt with nothing to shoot if they keep it up at this level. It's fun to watch.
To be fair, it's been shooting itself since 2014 when they ditched the rank system and added battle ratings. But only real motherfuckers know this. That was also the time the algorithms were created so the developers never had to work again.
I remember I started in January of 2013. I can just never stomach the game for more than a few months on and 6 months to a year off. They just need to remove repair cost completely and let people play with the old systems.
>Kek that attitude is exactly why the game is shooting itself in the foot. Free players are working for the game publisher as content creators. Abusing your most vital resource is never going to go well
oh hello there
TF2 isn't locking it's playerbase up in wierd BR ranges based on their kit.
That's what reasonable people do. Now imagine if you would being able to play high tier matches not only fast, but with plenty more fodder because there's no fear or them not bothering because it's a waste of time and money. If Gaijin ran a farm all the animals would be skin and bones starving.
>If Gaijin ran a farm all the animals would be skin and bones starving.
wat
that's just retarded and you know it. what's next, food analogies?
It was a food analogy :^). Gaigarden gnome has always acted like starving a cow will get it to produce more milk. Personally I want to see retards able to freely participate at all levels instead of matches that are 80% premiums 1 death and leaving. Give people a reason to spam respawns instead of 1 and done.
At mid tiers the game doesn’t incentivize respawning if your team is losing. It’s more about doing well individually. At high tiers I won’t respawn because I am not going to sacrifice funds so some fag in an airplane can get a free kill on me.
It's not that hard to understand.
>leaving meme games idle to have a huge hours count
yeah that was funny in 2010 when someone had 10,000+ hours in bad rats, now it's trite
>Literally skill issue then
Retard, you don't fucking get it.
A Lot of F2P PC games playerbases are from steam
I kinda wish they would all move off Steam like it was before. Some people remember. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Having it all on steam would be nice if they didn't have their useless fucking launchers on top of it anyway. It doesn't matter anyway, playerbases are fragmented between chudcords and forums now regardless. No F2P game has a real sense of a unified community anymore.
I dunno anon, PlanetSide 2 is still a thing despite everything you've said being the case for 10 years.
kek
Literally turn off auto repair and skill your crews up in tier II.
I hate to break it to you but my experience of SL nerfing has lead to me just breaking the game in various ways and being a pest to people while being entertained to their detriment and also seal clubbing or forcing objective wins solo. I don't feel any emotions about the wars playing this game and I have direct familial relations Nazi's and allies. I only play it because no one else is occupying the niche market. Making people grind and miserable has nothing to do with war, it's actually a method of psychological manipulation and torture trying to force behaviors out of people. That's inhumane on it's premise.
>The players who want their combat flight sim will continue to play it. If someone doesn't like combat flight sim gameplay, they'll play something else.
This is an online competitive game, gay. As such, retention is important for it to be relevant to any player, free or paid or obsessed. Online competitive ecosystems need a constant supply of noobs and lessers for pros and p2ws to prey upon, brag to, and uplift or the game dies.
Gentrification means death just like it does for real communities. That's why the gay devs are like
>omg no revewbomb pls!!1!
because they know that will ward off new blood, even if they make bank in the short term from addicted paypigs. Coincidentally, the devs are just as retarded as you, believing that reworking the new / free player experience to be even more of a grind to the point of impossibility will somehow have no consequences for the population.
Review bombing is just a symptom of retarded devs, and asslicking apologists like you should choke on a bag of dicks.
Why the fuck would they increase the grind anyway? It was already grindy 7 years ago when I played. They added a shit ton more planes and factions since, so getting to the final plane takes even longer now. Nobody is blasting through the content for free either way.
Slav logic, I swear. That's why their country is such a shitter.
I'm yet to see a single webm that actually makes me wanna play War Thunder or there is "gameplay"? because i think is the same garbage of idle and building shit, same that Clash of Clans or Raid Shadow Legends
The gameplay is top tier. There’s a reason why it’s as popular as it is despite being helmed by one of the most gnomish devs In all of gaming.
What about it top tier? Its just hide and seek who shoot first. Where the top tier gameplay???
>Where the top tier gameplay???
in your mind imagining you're participating in ww2 instead of living in a shitty world
>you can't give a player everything at once
this is why i will not play modern games with online components
>if the game shuts down, no one wins
I beg to differ
Imagine the private servers
>linking Reddit: The Comic in the middle of your blog
lmao
>review bombing
How did they manage to make this a term? It's literally just reviewing.
It was perpetuated by journos trying to discredit player dissatisfaction.
another reason ALL journos should hang
>journos
Wrong, it's pushed by dev/publishers/gabe/etc. because negative reviews lead to "lost sales" aka lost shekels. That's why they constantly remove negative reviews but never positive.
Even if we accept the term, you can barely find situations where "review bombing" weren't justified. At least if we only count reviews written in English.
review bombing term seems to come from asia where peeps bomb games for asinine reasons like character story doesn't fit their liking or game collabs with some idol they don't like(korea/china mostly).
western peeps get roped into this when only reasons ppl organize protests in west is against monetisation. more inclined to send death threats personally for stuff they don't like personally.
They're going to remove it from Steam now lmao.
been playing since 2015, was about to put money into it, glad I didn't
A longtime ago one of the Yudintsev brothers said that people only visit the forums to leave negative feedback so they are worthless as a measure of player feedback.
>only positive feedback is worthwhile
I fucking hate that mindset
I agree but I don't like negative feedback because it's "constructive" or some bullshit, it just gives you the motivation to get better out of spite so you can prove the gays that shit on you wrong.
>suggestions
>AI incharge of balance
future games will not be fun anymore
oh
>Mfw the Pentagon revs up every available server far they have and commands it's army of bots to leave mass amounts of negative reviews, ensuring that war thunder is shut down and they no longer have to worry about top secret specs and details being leaked
>Mfw the Chinese and Russians do the same
Something something strange bedfellows
ive never played this game but im going to guess the problem it has.
you have to spend 10+ hours or maybe even 100+ hours to grind an in game item of value that someone else can just but for $5-100?
Or is it actually worse?
Worse
how can it be worse? explain.
Even when you pay money you still suffer.
It's a lot fucking worse.
You grind 1000+ hours for an item that someone else can just buy premium for that simply shortens the grind to a whooping 500+ hours.
Isn't it better for paypigs to only be able to shorten the grind than to skip it all together though? Assuming everyone can still get the same items just at different levels of effort
>Assuming everyone can still get the same items just at different levels of effort
LOL, lmao even
>Ka-50 blows every other heli out of the water
>2S38 is superior and lower BR than the Strf 40's
>a period where a Su-25 with all-aspect missiles could face a fucking Korean War plane (only the prem one though, the free one was higher BR)
the only help is that paypigs are retarded and WT needs a lot of keybinds which they probably don't know about.
Imagine you were playing call of duty but you had to pay repairs each time you got killed. Then your gun would only be 70% effective until you spent 20-100 hours grinding the one gun. But that's not all. Based on your kit you will have to que up and be placed with other people with a similar performing kit. Sounds good in principal until the game puts you in multiple matches with a BR a full tier higher than you. Up to ten times in a row to force a mass losing streak so that you will buy premium time and premium weapons.
You cannot usually pay your death repairs unless you do well. If you do do well the game caps your performance. The more you kill the less it's worth. Only gold weapons tend to let you break even or profit from matches and even then if you use a lvl 5 gold weapon to research a level 2 gold weapon it doesn't work well, same for the inverse.
Then certain weapons are so OP they just break everything so the repair cost is insane, so you end up with matches where 80-90% of the players all have the same gold weapon, because they have to grind to even play matches with the insane repair cost. Now imagine that you could play this for thousands of hours and ten years and only have unlocked some of the high end content but have no real reason to play it since it's torture.
You now have a small idea.
why do people play this then? this is torture.
if the game is designed from the ground up to be as horrible as possible so you'll give them money to make it less horrible?
its a fucking tank/plane shooting war simulator.
what kind of studies do they do when they add this stuff to games now?
i mean, it has to work if A: people are still addicted even when its this bad and B: they are making millions of dollars of it.
it defies all logical sense and im mad.
They play it because it's the only mass multiplayer flight and war simulator. This game breaks MMO junkies, I should know because I'm one of them. I played it since 2013 through every horrible nerf. I probably encouraged some of the nerfs. Every time players find a way to game the glacial progress of the game Gaijin crushes it and punishes everyone. They have been in a cold war with players the entire time. It's basically a co-dependent abusive relationship at this point.
I only play off and on because of it. I can only stomach so much of War Thunders grind and I'm the kind of player that spends hundreds to thousands of hours in MMO's or other tear inducing grind simulators. It's unfortunate but what happens when you use gambling principals on games. You end up with degenerates.
>because it's the only mass multiplayer flight and war simulator
play arma or squad you drooling retard lmao
Neither can be compared. I started playing for the flight simulation and I play 90% flight simulation.
because it fills a very specific yet popular niche of a vehicular combat game that has somewhat realistic vehicle characteristics with enough concessions for playability that it isn't a super mega autism simulator and isn't World of Tanks/Warships (which has its own pile of issues).
because it was formulated with psychologists that specialize in addiction
the mechanics suck you in and make you addicted
it's a revolving door of dopamine hits from doing well, to depths of depression and rage from getting fucked
and just when you have had enough and are about to uninstall, you have an amazing game and get dopamine hits
cycle repeats
I uninstalled about 1.5 years ago after spending probably $150 in it over 5 years or so
I've reinstalled it probably 4 times
everytime I do I play 1-2 matches and immediately remember why I uninstalled and uninstall it
>everytime I do I play 1-2 matches and immediately remember why I uninstalled and uninstall it
same
so they consult psychologists to make people as addicted as possible and then you end up a depressed addicted fucking mess and need to go see a psychologist.
yeah, I need to get off my computer today.
>why do people play this then?
Because the game itself is fun and most of the problems only emerge at high tiers which are played by 10% of the population.
>Because the game itself is fun and most of the problems only emerge at high tiers which are played by 10% of the population.
Go work on another tree that's not United Sherman, Russia or Germany. Hope you have a good starting tank for France.
I don't play ground forces, sorry. Plane RB only. Tanks ruined this game.
Slaves to the grind
It's the Cold War/modernshit autists that are fucked the hardest. The WW2 vehicles are mostly early unlocks so fans of that are barely affected. A new player could probably unlock the Tiger tank in 20-40 hours depending how shit they are, but if you want to play the early Leopard 2 tanks then lmfao have fun grinding 800-1200 hours.
what makes the 800+ hour grind tank better? do you legit do 100% more damage or 100% more armor or less maintenance costs?
if we are talking about (which I think is true, tell me) grinding 800+ hours for a 0.5%-1% better tank, yeah, you guys are silly.
bro one it's a Tiger tank and the other is a Leopard 2, War Thunder is modelled "realistically"
so its even worse, you grind 800 hours for a different skinned tank?
No, the whole tank is different, it's just like a racing game, you have different cars with different stats, a R34 will be much better than a Peugeot 206, but you need to play first with the Fiat Uno to unlock it
no, vehicles are separated by battle rating so at 1.0 you have interwar light tanks like a Stuart or BT-5 while at 11.7 you have a T-90, Leopard 2, F-14, etc.
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Category:USSR_ground_vehicles
Nothing. The optimal way to play this game is with a premium account and only play premium vehicles. That is if you want to make any money at all.
only if you're masochistic enough to grind all the way, they have purposely introduced many ways for paypigs to wallet their way to top tier, much to the detriment of the high tier matchmaker. It's especially bad in planes, the F-4S, A-10A Early, and Su-25K have ruined ARB forever.
well it's a linear progression from interwar to modern day, of course an Abrams could solo an entire team of T-34s.
Vehicle combat games are hard to come by as it is. War Thunder is accessible, has a lot of vehicles, is active enough that you can easily find games with practically any vehicle, and the grind isn't that bad until late WW2. There is very little competition on the market for games where you just sit in a vehicle all day. It's usually some kind of combined arms thing where vehicles are present but you can't just endlessly spawn IS-2s because that would be OP.
>xkcd comic
Even an Office gif would feel less offensive and tone-deaf.
Why is there a random image of an AI on a computer in the middle of the apology? Im fucking crying
The in-game economy has been in the dumps for a decade, took people long enough to react.
believe it or not they found how to make it worse
>NOOOOOOOOOO A F2P GAME THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRINDY IS GRINDY HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why are warthunder fags like this?
nice try smin, don't you have more forum posts to make passive-aggressive replies to?
>"YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!"
>"THIS GAME HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRINDY AND IS STILL GRINDY!!"
>"IT NEEDS TO NOT BE GRINDY!!!"
again, why are you "people" like this? was leaking classified government documents a dozen times not enough?
>IT NEEDS TO NOT BE GRINDY
yes, that would be a good thing
until then, game is shit, so players can rate it as shit
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GIVE A BAD REVIEW TO A GAME THAT IS EXTREMELY GRINDY HOW COULD THIS HaPPEN NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post top tier lineup
post K/D
post =MOD= teamkills
post [FurCN], [W4RTG], and [Fmboy] kills
post nukes
post hand
post wall socket
oh wait, you can't.
u wont fool us anton, fix this raggedy ass economy since you have time to shitpost
you are a worthless retard
>always
>posting the old one
>17 hours ago
lmao
Dump eet
Hopefully someone who isnt a godless Slavmoron will make a better game if this shit finally fucking goes under.
I've never played War Thunder and have no intention of ever trying it, but can I get a QRD on what they did to piss people off this much?
it is very hard to play without spending money now
even if you play well
I think they yet again inflated repair costs for your vehicles that get damaged or destroyed in a match, to the point where a free-to-player has to be extremely sweaty just to break even, meaning that 90% of everybody in any given match are going to walk away at a net loss of in-game currency for even having bothered to play.
At high tiers vehicle repairs suffer some wild inflation and even if you have a premium account with a premium vehicle (so increased XP and game currency gains) if you lose one vehicle you might as well just quit right there. You can buy tokens that just let you spawn a vehicle for no cost, and you can also trade premium currency for in game currency, like in any obnoxious phone game currency system. It's obvious that they want at least anybody above Tier V or so to be so hard pressed to actually play the vehicles they unlocked that they just become paywhales spending literal hundreds of dollars a year not even to unlock vehicles but simply to offset the game currency costs of playing basic matches.
Over the years they kept nerfing xp and silver lion gains while increasing the requirements to repair and unlock vehicles. Now it's to the point where even the paypigs are struggling.
there's hordes of shit in addition to the rewards they never fix too
Basically todays economy and gamers don't want to learn or face reality.
I find it weird how literally every other company abuses and rapes his playerbase, but THIS was the boiling point for war thunder players after being sodomized for 5 years
people have too much tolerance
well when they push beyond that point... they get fucked
maybe in real life, someday i don't know people will be pushed too far? the amount of tolerance is insane towards woke agenda.
2-3 years ago it was still heavy grind but it felt somewhat fair for playing non-premium
when you had premium and used a premium vehicle, you would rocket through the tree
now premium acct+premium vehicle feels like non-premium 2-3 years ago
How horrible. Are people going to stop playing it? No? Didn't think so.
TPBP. Unless you're pulling a PoGo and stop playing they don't give a shit. You'll still spend money.
>TPBP.
you cant count.
what is the opinion of someone who is unable to count to five worth?
>Y'know what frustrates me? That the barrel ran over when the water reached the threshold.
>not when it was almost empty.
>not when it was half full.
>not when it was almost full.
>You'll still spend money.
You seem to have missed the point. The majority of their players do not spend money and are irrelevant to the developer. They literally do not care about f2p people only pay fags matter.
They might entice one person to spend $5 and that will make them jizz their fucking pants.
everyone already knew f2p games use AI and algorithim shit to balance the game design. thats why they are so cheap, low effort, and cranked out by the bucket every week on digital stores.
all according to plan.
now people will be forced to play other games and maybe make the simulator genre not so dead.
people play WT precisely because it's not an autistic simulator
>all according to plan
probably some people will go to World of Tanks because of this
>go from a dying game to a dead game
Reminder, in order of ascending importance:
1) Never play a game that tries to disable and forbid modding.
(It's okay if they don't have a SDK or anything to directly support it just as long as they don't go out of their way to restrict and forbid it).
2) Never play a game that is online only and has centralized servers.
3) Never play a game that has mtx/infinite spend.
( https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Infinite_spend )
Or just play what you want without paying money. It's not hard.
There are very few F2P games that aren't extremely punishing to free players past a certain point. If you're having fun then yeah who cares. If you're trying to grind past some piece of shit and you're forced to use it for 200 rounds you could probably be having more fun doing something else.
You're right - it's not hard to play shitty games. That's the problem. You don't have infinite time, thus a game that asks you to spin in circles every day for months straight for the ability to continue playing the game is fucking garbage. People who play poorly-designed F2P games for years straight without spending money aren't even sentient. I can't imagine holding a coherent conversation with someone who says deranged shit like
>I really enjoy the grind I was given, I would spend another 2,000 hours doing low-tier content in my favorite F2P game
I imagine it'd be like conversing with a hermit who does nothing but graze on grass for 16 hours every day because he "really enjoys the taste".
>if it's fun, play it
>if it's not fun, don't play it
It IS easy. If "the grind" factors into your enjoyment and ruins it just don't play the game. Once the game gets too tedious for your taste just drop it. That's the only guideline that will never fail you.
You know what really fucking gets my goat about F2P BS like this? Its the same with ANY f2p game, with ANY MTX game, with ANY mmo, with ANY mobile game.
It completely breaks core principals of economics. First, MTX and digital currency like this aren't tangible and hold no scarcity. Not a good. You also are not getting an active supported, sustained action with terms either, you buy the MTXcoins and its don't. Not a service.
Second, you don't need a degree in computer science to know that its extremely scummy to charge what they charge for how little relative value you get in return, be it in fun or measurable in game rewards.
At the end of the day whats going on behind the scenes is something like this
>Your MTXcoins are stored as 1 LINE OF CODE. A SINGLE VARIABLE. var MTXcoins = 0; Easy shit.
>Code runs that authorizes the payment
>Code run that adds the amoutn of MTXcoins to your MTXcoisn integer. again 1 LINE OF CODE.
you are paying for an alrorithm to queue up your turn on the server processor to increment a single variable.
100 dollars to incriment a variable.
And somehow this is OK and legal and allowed for children to do. It fucking disgusts me.
The difference to the publisher if you were able to remove the payment code? Nothing. The difference for a consumer? Could be the difference between eating or not.
Is there any hope? Will it get better?
Nut unless every gamer on earth picks up a networking book and learns about packet editing
oh
to be fair WT is spaghetti code beyond comprehension and disabling GE purchases would probably reverse gravity or something. Like that time when IIRC minor lighting changes broke all spalling for kinetic projectiles.
>to be fair WT is spaghetti code beyond comprehension
Do they have money to built it again from 0 i wonder?
Eh, you could say this about all vidya. The code is already paid for, you're basically paying for the right to copy the code and execute it on your device. But people also pay to see someone press play in a movie theater and they also pay for the right to put penis in vagina so that's normal.
>digital currency like this aren't tangible and hold no scarcity
this bro fell asleep in his first econ class lmao
If you think free to play games can actually be fair with <1% of anyone actually buying shit to support the game you're an idiot that doesn't deserve free time nor money.
TF2
People still playing the game deserve everything they get.
Y'know what frustrates me? That the community have an actual siginificant reaction NOW.
Not when they nerfed gains.
Not when they removed rewards for battle activity.
Not when they removed rewards for taking damage/dogfighting/being in combat.
Not when they made grinding for high-tier modules insane.
Not when free FPE/parts/abrams.
Not when they removed GE rewards and GE wagers.
Not when they gave certain nations 8-15k sl repair cost so if you spawn three times you have to have a 40-50k+ SL game to make profit.
Not when they made overpowered CAS as premiums that you can buy and ruin games.
Not when USSR and Germany always got preferential treatment.
The community is sheep and deserves everything coming to it.
I agree. But this also feels like community's patience just run out fully at this point. But i wonder if all this will make Gaijin fix things
No it won't, we'll get a half-assed fix, maybe get +10k SL and +1k RP across the board every match and then they'll promise fixes, support and resolution. Then it will die out after a year.
I think it's too late at this point as War Thunder has become popular with normies and the average trash 'gamer'. Previously it used to be somewhat 'niche', but for the past 2 years I've seen more people play WT or at least know about it than World of Tanks. They can sustain on those, the storm just has to blow over. I played with a few old gaming buddies a month ago to reconnect... over War Thunder. They had spent like 600$+ each on WT with sub 300hrs. That's more than me since beta and I buy premium constantly.
Sure, but too little, too late. The biggest one was free parts/fpe, which was another half-assed fix and people shut up pretty quickly.
Maybe you didn't notice but some players complains or just plain left after one of those changes.
WT chimps out a lot
this is the first review bombing
And given how Gaijin reacted it wont be the last
I left right before tanks came out.
I think that was almost a decade ago. I feel so old.
They didn't make retarded blogpost about "muh server costs" before
>Runescape sets monthly fee higher MUH COSTS for online service
>EVE Online sets monthly fee higher MUH COSTS for online service
>WT nerfs game below ground MUH COSTS for online service
It's all too tiresome.
Not when they nerfed gains.
I left at this point and I'm sure I wasn't alone. The grind became so insane I was looking at years worth of playtime just to get to jets despite having 600 hours.
but I stopped playing exactly because they nerfed sim gains and gave all the vehicles I want to play retarded 10k+ repair costs
Only reason I played was to unlock Maus. Then they removed it from the research tree before I could start researchingit. No matter how bad or unbalanced it is, allowing players that are good at the game to keep the Maus whilst not allowing new players to get it is fucking retarded. Such a retarded ass company.
The Maus becomes unlockable once a year.
It was impossible to balance. It was way too powerful for early post war opponents and it's too weak against HEAT/apfsds
>t. snail
f2p players are the easiest goyims to manipulate
Reminder to never play or trust multiplayer games made by Russians.
what about World of Tanks?
Same grind chink shit but with worse tank stats and fictional damage
it feels more arcadey and has it's own fun moments
>fictional damage
and that is a good thing, word of tanks (last time played was 6 years ago and then 20 times on frend accout-laptop year ago) at least have a balance, not great but it have it,
fuck wot, if you want to play tier 9-10 you liiterary lose money and even more if you dare to shoot the gold ammo, unless you have premium, and you have to pay gold for eveything, garage sloot , equiping modules etc
try armored warfare, you will never run out of money, remove modues for free and put another, unlimited garage slots, and if you play rarely just log in every day to get day of premium after 4 days and some gold after 7
the only, and big problem i have with the game is the comunity is bad at the game and all tanks are too fast thus the spot mehanics do not work, "heavy" tanks are the best and too fast so flank is pushed before any spotting fun on range happen, it mostly leming rush and you cant utilise spoting mehanics
>WoT at least have a balance
It’s not the same kind of game. War Thunder is vehicular combat, WoT is a health bar extremely slow tps.
>and that is a good thing
yeah fucking awesome and 10/10 experience get oneshotted because rng say so instead to give to all ballistic and tanks realistic stats/armor
Reminder to never trust Russians.
>devs do something stupid
>review bomb and "nooo we're mad"
>next cosmetic season or whatever the fuck comes out
>everyone buys it anyways
>they continue to do stupid shit
>WTF WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN
who fucking cares this shit happens so often and nothing happens Payday 2 Dead By Daylight PoE Overwatch and such
I'm not reading all that. Can someone give me a TL;DR or tell me why I should even care?
in-game economy getting worse and grind getting harder
People have been crying about that since it came out, what's different now?
>what's different now?
it got / getting worse
It was a boiling frog situation then Gaijin just closed the lid and turned up the heat some more.
I started playing War Thunder like a year ago, played for some months and then bought premium when it was on sale at the end of last year.
Once I got above tier 3 tanks, I'm losing money just playing the game. When I'm trying to power through plane tiers, I'm losing money too. Even with premium. I should not be able to lose lions by simply playing the fucking game. I wasn't around before everything kept getting nerfed like people say, so I don't even know what that was like. But the way it is now makes me want to uninstall.
ouch
>I'm losing money just playing the game.
You can have negative SL if you ever teamkill someone
like this?
No I had just spent all my SL crewing a vehicle and a moron went through my shots
>a moron went through my shots
oh
>spend 20 hours on one vehicle to progress to another tier, on a country that has 10 tiers
>with 6 different countries
When I realized that, I nah the fucked out
I feel that but my plan is to just play until i get bored.
whats the drama behind this?
grind, ingame economy getting worse
I got sucked into world of tanks back around 2013 or 2014, can't remember what year exactly, but I spent at least $250 buying in game currency for that to get faster EXP to unlock more tanks faster. What a waste of money, I gave up on the game a few months after I started once I realized what a pointless grind it all was. I playhed world of warships too but spent no money on it and still made it to tier 9 US cruisers, but cruisers were trash in that game.
lmao
>its real
biggest btfo in gaming history
i hope they actually pull the game from steam
I hope bad word-of-mouth continues to spread for warthunder, removing their game from steam is pure hutthurt and people need to know just how mad these slimeballs truly are
clown emoji: 1
gaiijn: 0
get fucked you turbo garden gnomes.
100% guarantee you that Gayjin ran to Valve and wanted then to remove the "reviewbomb" but Valve said no and now they're all pissy about it lmao.
It hasn't dipped below 10% positive yet for some reason, but those reviews aren't going away any time soon neither. Steam selling games like daikatana should have their store pages formatted like it's a circus attraction. "Roll up, roll up, everyone come and see the freak! Just $10 for a night of bewilderment!"
meant for
oops
I can genuinely count the amount of Overwhelmingly Negative reviews on my fingers. That's how rare they are compared to the positive ones. You have to go out of your way to get battered this hard to unlock that exceedingly rare review score on Steam.
Most of the 10% positive are meme reviews like one guy that put up a roast chicken recipe.
Well it's there now lmao
I hope it goes even lower. It's officially a majority of the active players leaving negative reviews now.
lmao
That fucking dip
Jesus FUCK
domp eet
And they managed to actually get a bigger playerbase going over the years since coof hit and now they took a fat shit into everyones breakfast, amazing how out of touch with reality this company is.
everyone's been doing it
i seriously can't understand the thought processes that lead to this
>i seriously can't understand the thought processes that lead to this
Cyka blyat... western sanction make new supercar I want buy more expensive ~~*((
Tovarish developer please make player pay more in game *~~ They understand *~~*~~*~~*~~)
will they make it to the 10th anniversary?
>he bought?
american money well spent
found the ruski
Of course. All is going according to plan. Next, we will review bomb LADA car dealerships on Google.
updated
lmao harder
it's getting worse
>leave Steam
gl getting updates on their ratio throttling app now
why the game have population increase in 2022?
easier to dl from Steam than their shitty app which ratios upload to download. if you don't upload enough it throttles you to zero dl.
They are shilling the game hard on youtube. I've seen the most random ass videos have war thunder sponsored segment.
>Dump eet
Huh. Guess I didn't miss out on anything by only ever playing World of Tanks
war thunder is an absolute shitty grinding game that i hate
but world of tanks might be one of the few games that is even worse
>grinding game
Never understood this. If you aren’t having fun playing WWII tanks why do you think you’ll have fun in newer vehicles.
Chads enjoy the entire experience or they spend their time elsewhere.
This would make sense if the MM wasn't shit. I haven't played in years now, but good luck having fun on a plane that gets matched against objectively superior aircraft just because they have similar BR.
Stopped playing since the literally pay to win bushes
It's too late to bargain with them now. The fact of the matter is no one wants this shit period. It's about time people realized they were being fleeced and stood up for themselves. If only "vote with your wallet" actually meant something and wasn't a useless mantra.
id love if the review description for 5% or lower was just "impressive" in that red text. or even a dumber meme like "wow".
i also hope steam keeps selling it, because i love the idea of a store selling a product with its terrible reviews plastered all over it. "yep, this is a total, utter piece of shit. 29.99 if you really...want it".
as you leave the store, you can hear another customer mutter "creep"
Gaijin will just up the cost of everything if rewards get buffed lol
War Thunder is out dated trash for the low IQ beta. Who cares.
literally everyone who plays it cares given the unanimous backlash, it turns out sheep who have been worn down to the nub can still voice their outrage
>22,000 bad reviews in a single day
god, this is delicious. I've never seen a F2P do something this stupid and then double down while threatening to take themselves off steam
>while threatening to take themselves off steam
they're not threatening that at all, they're just removing the advertisement that its on steam because that's where anyone will go first to look and then see reviews/rating.
what they might do is try and pay google to fuck with the search results and push steam down, but i doubt they could get away with that with how large valve is
>he doesn't turn auto repair off
>he doesn't have all the rank I-IV planes unlocked/spaded
>he didn't train his crew to have the appropriate repair rank
ISHYGDDT
>needing to jump through a dozen hoops just to have fun playing.
I mean I could do that or I could play a good game instead.
I've never seen a post/profile with a clown award that wasn't a complete fucking gay
I got a clown on my profile from someone who was completely assblasted for calling them out, so I might as well wear it like a badge of honor
ive never seen a profile with a clown. the fuck are you losers doing looking at...steam profiles, holy shit.
Some people just need a constant stream of information, clicking at random things works.
>the fuck are you losers doing looking at...steam profiles
To see if someone is a gay like (You)
looking at profiles IS gay. look at game lists, thats how you find out about people who are based, like me. whatya got, 400 hours in dota or something lame
I'm impressed they got the blowback at the games peak in users lol. They have been retards the entire time. Free players are the games biggest source of content. Punishing them was always going to go badly. I say this with thousands of hours and hundreds spent. Nothing compared to the giga whales saying as much.
I think the only way to reasonably fix this is remove repair cost altogether and figure out how to balance out SL and RP gain in a way that encourages people playing the game instead of gaming the game. I don't know what they expected when they started a war between devs and players like this.
has there ever been a bigger review bombing?
>active players 140,000
>steam negative reviews 70,000 and counting
literally half the player base is unleashing their pent up rage
>want to squeeze paypigs harder
>willing to remove themselves from both steam and Microsoft store
Aren't they going to lose roughly 80% of their PC playerbase? how much do they make off console?
You can't expect money grubbers to have clear judgement or a well-mannered conscience
they tryna get rid of the 80% not paying, duh.
But then 20% paypigs will lose their cannon fodder.
Whales are 90% of their income and they have the sunk cost fallacy to keep them going in their $400 premium russian top tier lineup with 80% winrates.
both warthunder and world of tanks have the most p2w, predatory cancer mixed with aids monetization no other game i played comes even close to how unfun this shit is, seriously whats wrong with Russians why are they like this?
WoT having premium p2w ammo may be the most predatory thing ever in any video game
Yep, charging premium currency per shell so you can specifically counter tanks brought in by F2Ps and up your kill count for better match rewards
LeL
>Russian bias tag
he reminds me of the cto where i work
Warthunder is a solid 5/10 game.
Who the fuck cries at "review bombing", even without recent changes it would be just moving to a fair rating.
It's time for tankie online chads to rise
I fucking love the clown award so much.
Kneel.
Right now.
someone post the screencap of halo getting bombarded by clowns during some blm announcement or something
Why did it get locked? People used the forbidden word in the comments?
It was no longer constructive
>another 76 clowns
>You WILL worship morons and you WILL say NOTHING about it.
Remind me again how important moron fantasy month is to Halo?
look what i got banned for
You deserve it but reason need to be "trolling"
>HOW DARE YOU MOCK MY JUNKIE CAREER CRIMINALRINO!
I CANT BREABEEE!!!!
>fat troll
>get banned for trolling
>WAAH WAAH WAAH
sad, art of trolling is gone
>How dare you mock this lowlife scumbag who held a pregnant woman at gunpoint and lived a wicked life, he was just getting his life back on track
I CANT BREATH
your trying to do some cringe moralistic gotcha now, you literally don't even know what trolling is.
You can troll for whatever reason you want you retarded chucklefuck
I CANT BREAFEEE
>guy who put banana on wall tells Mikelangelo that he is artist as well
I doubt you'll understand but this is you, your level of trolling, it's so low and insignificant that even fat trolls from decades ago would look down on you.
I CANT BREAFEEE
when was that even? were you in a coma since then?
Gaijin are a bunch of fags. The grind was already insane 10 years ago and there were whales paying thousands to unlock everything.
I don't even wanna imagine what it costs now to unlock everything or the repair costs.
Why can't we get some arcade tank multiplayer game that isn't made by russians.
Yeah, I got to the Japanese Sabre when that was the best plane. You couldn't do shit in it because Canadian Sabres were objectively better in every way and just unlocking basic shit like the G Suit took forever. Fuck Russians.
>War Thunder is over...
>World of Tanks is the fucking same shit...
What game is out there to play with tanks that don't have greedy chinks/morons/vodka/money grabbers?
Modded steel fury Kharkov and Gunner Heat PC, One is old and you also need to put effort into getting it to run the other one is in Early Access and i guess there is also steel armor blazes of war all of them are a bit more on the simulation side of things and obviously the amount of tanks you get is also a lot lower compared to WT but at the least you only have to pay once to enjoy all of the content.
armored core series has some fun tanks and lots of weapons, obviously it's not in a historical setting
It's just not the same
Armored Core is more like Ace Combat in that regard
god I wish ac6 wasn't discarding the multiplayer aspects of v
you can just play tier 1-2 planes and still have a great time, you know?
il-2 sturmovik
That Girls Und Panzer game for the ps4
So if the cost is too high at the higher tiers, why not just play lower tier tanks? You're not obligated to constantly play and progress.
You don't get it... they are making you to lose money even if you play Tier1 because you are using free tanks instead of buying one of the premium/gold of Tier 1
That’s absolutely untrue. You don’t start running into any kind of potential losing money scenarios until you hit 6.0 ish and later on if you play Russian biased garbage behenchod
>0.01 social credit has been added to your gaijin wallet
>you hit 6.0 ish
And what a coincidence that Gaijin advertises cold war and modern stuff as the main selling point of the game, which begins shortly after 6.0.
>mfw this worked for me
i thought biplanes and sopwiths were fucking awesome, i always chose them, and they are like, first, on every tech tree. comfy.
you lost money no matter what
>Free users get fucked
>Premium pay piggies get fucked
Why were people even playing this game to begin with? Few years ago one look at monetization kept me far away
Sunk cost fallacy and no competition.
Realistic battles were genuinely fun when I last played it in 2015.
The grind was already horrible.
You make it to tier IV and you might as well just repeatedly smash your balls. No idea how so many people managed to get Leopard 2s and shit. Bunch of NEET whales constantly throwing away money.
Also Gaijin doesn't have single good tank map in the game, they're all dota wannabe bs.
Is it too late to get into this game? I've been wanting to try for a while now.
If you want to play a WW2 game, it's alright.
Want to try some high speed low drag modern equipment? Just smash your nuts instead, at least it will be over quickly.
Wait and see first if they address the huge shit they just left in the room.
Or you could just install it and see if you like the gameplay doesn't cost anything after all but don't expect to reach cold war Era stuff or early 2000 stuff in a reasonable time especially if you are planning ons taying F2P
Play WoT instead. A tiny bit better in terms of less pay2win.
As it is now your climb from square one is ludicrous compared to people who started just a few years ago
dont take it seriously and dont get sucked into grinding for "the next plane". like other anon said, fuck around with ww2 planes and call it a day. youll know in a day or two if its your crack or not, and it IS crack, look how much salt its getting. its not people NOT playing the game crying about stat changes.
It's about 7-8 years too late.
A lot of the game's problem only emerge at high tiers, if you just want to try it out it should be fine, but take into account this happening.
It's still good if you're only interested in early-mid WW2 vehicles. Even then you already missed out on a bunch of good vehicles that are either overpriced on the marketplace or not even available to buy now.
If you're a normie that refuses to get good, no, the game is not for you, just look at the reviews.
I just picked up war thunder recently because WoT was getting really boring
Im having some fun at like 3.3 ground battles but I can see this quickly becoming a death march
Don’t fall for the trap of grinding for specific vehicles. If you’re having fun at low tiers great, it’s a great game for you. If you are just grinding to high tiers don’t bother.
F2p generate no income
Fuck them
man they are really shidding their pants deleting any thread in the steam forums pointing out they removed the steam logo from wt website LMAO
oh no
War Thunder is turned into a SHIT Thunder (aka Thunderstorm of SHIT), thanks to the IDIOTIC policy of the company called GAYjin (a gang of gay-criminals) with its IDIOTIC all-mighty-shithead bots...
russians are compulsive liars
i notice this in all sorts of shit
>literally just started playing War Thunder 2 weeks
>am loving the plane gameplay and
>even bought premium a few times not thinking too much of it
>now all this
>won't even get to play with the jets before WT basically kills itself
>Caved to the predatory game design in only 2 weeks.
deserved.
yeah, that $5 is really breaking the bank, buddy
>he paid even a single cent
Deserved.
low buy in is literally the slippery slope all of these games operate on.
>oh it's only 5 bucks for battlepass or whatever retarded equivalent.
>oh it's only 20 bucks for that [whatever skin looks cool to players that devs datamined from social media], might as well.
>oh wow i've played this game for 1000 hours it's part of my personality now, i REALLY should pay the devs for their valuable time uWu.
>hmm that new super premium [skin/feature that devs put some effort into] skin is out! it'd be really cool if i showed it off to my discord chud "friends"
on and on she goes. you think all whales are dumb mofos with no impulse control? a lot of them are just dumb ppl who get psyopped
i was about write a long retarded argument but there just isnt a real argument to what you said that exists. I shouldn't have have spent that money, at least not yet maybe. the plane combat is fun af and I got jebaited because I want to get jets.
Boy you will take literal months to get to jets so better to stick to prop kino and enjoy it while it lasts.
I feel a bit lucky that I personally find tank combat to be kind of boring so there's less to suffer through, although thats cope really.
In a way yes and in a way no you will notice on some planes how dogshit they feel in stock but as a mainly ground player i guess it is more enjoyable to fly instead.
To be fair, War Thunder is certainly the best tank game i've ever played and i'll probably still play around in the low ranks every now and then.
They certainly got the market niche in that regard but they have grown fat and greedy due to that having no real competitor other than WoT but they both play very different.
That being said if you can enjoy low tier then nothing wrong with it, personally i enjoy the cold war era stuff but there it starts to hurt if you are without premium time or even a vehicle in certain nations.
The low tiers is a good game all on its own and, this might sound kinda gay so bear with me but it's partly why I dont feel that bad about spending at least a little bit of money on War Thunder. I truly went into this game mostly blind (outside of the popular shit like the ssetth review and whatnot) but a plane game just happens to fit into the cross-section of desires of what I personally want from a video game at this moment in my life. In case you didn't know yet, Armored Core 6: Flames of Rubicon is GOTD(Game of the Decade :)) and planes and tanks are kinda like real life mecha so i gave the game a shot to pass the time. WT is just a good and fun game; it's everything surrounding the core gameplay that's ruining the experience. I expected a grind but I wasn't expecting such a grand scale to it; therefore, I've decided to stop spending money on it and just keep playing until I get bored. Maybe Gaijin will actually pull the game from steam and give me a legitimate reason to stop playing. I've wasted more money on stupider shit, I promise you my dude, but I think the game deserves a little bit of credit; idk, maybe I'm just "different" and I don't view money the same way as other people.
I like the game a lot too but with how they handle it so far and if they decide to talk down on their playerbase more then it seems like it is time to move on to greener pastures and that is coming from someone that spent a good bit on the game but if they are so keen on killing their game then so be it.
its just kind of sucks that this happens just as I'm really getting into this new (to me) game but maybe this is a mercy
It might be once the game hooks you it his hard to let go why else are there so many reviews that go in the thousand hour mark.
GHPC is early access but coming along pretty well. The Devs basis behind the game was they were sick of the WarThunder bullshit.
>already buying shit 2 weeks in
>still spend money to the predatory game
Still bad idea. You just encourage them to create the next level of the predatory game design. Killing them is not spending, so this will force the greedy devs to stop doing that shit.
gaijin are greedy garden gnomes but they fucking know they're the only game like this on the market
I wish that guy would update his secret lewd account more.
link?
Wouldn't be a secret if anon shared it around would it?
Can someone explain for someone who never played?
The business model is that while you can theoretically get all vehicles in the game for free, they ramp up the grind and overall suffering as the vehicle tiers increase. This is so you buy premium (basically a subscription to suffer less).
The new update drastically increased the suffering so even being a paypiggie is painful.
It's honestly evil.
Don't forget the devs straight up said F2P games should be abusive so stop complaining! as a response to the negative reviews on Steam. These devs are unironically retarded and worse than gacha at this point. You don't fuck or insult the whales who fund your freemium game
you underestimate just how dumb whales are
2 whales are more useful and loyal (and more stupid/addicted) than 1500 f2p players from which you generate no revenue
without f2p players the whales have no one to flex on and no reason to stay.
Shitters complaining that they can't earn anything
Gaijin spent the past decade doing way more to fuck up the game and turn up the heat on the boiling frog that was their playerbase than actually improving it, from fucking up the economy as others have said, to pushing past the declared WW2 timeframe with cold war shit (mixed bag, could've been all fine if not for Gaijin,) to totally garbling all sense of what vehicles fight where and when by having shit with up to 20+ year technology gaps fighting under non-special historical event circumstances where it would make sense. Delaying and stealing shit from roadmaps they'd set early on for tanks to turn them into rewards for grindy events, premiums, vaporware. Removing content because 'is not historical, comrad, no more paper tanks *~~))' while allowing various Soviet equivalent failed napkinwaffe under the excuse of 'but we built at least the mock-up prototypes!' Finally, they told that playerbase to sit down and shut up and gave babby's first freemium game eco essay, while appending 'and don't review bomb us, retards, it won't work.'
Then everybody review bombed them.
At least try to hide.
>t. Gaijin employee
Sad.
They went from scummy korean mmo money making tactics to turbognomish scamming tactics.
Gaijin is notorious for being one of the few developers that holds open contempt for their playerbase. Over the years, they've added more and more anti-player bullshit into their game, largely in the realm of vehicle progression in the research tree. They actively fuck off suggestions, and it's only under increased community pressure/tantrums that they'll give in a few mm and make some half-assed change to placate the masses. This is well known by all and its' been essentially a running joke to get fucked by "the snail", because the core gameplay itself is good.
Anyways, Gaijin continuously ratchets down on the economy for years since launch, throttles how much ingame currency the player gets, and now its at the point where the braindead retards that get 1 kill per game can no longer make a continuous profit to pay the inane repair costs to fix your vehicle up for the next round when you die. Devs purportedly use the repair costs to help "balance" vehicles, but it is actually an excuse to fuck people - it actually has no real input in balancing vehicles. These get prohibitively more expensive as you play more modern vehicles (themselves extremely costly to purchase to begin with).
Reddit organized some boycott to not play the game, and then launched a review bomb of the steam page. Classic Gayjin writes a copepost telling people once again that they are fucking idiots, and Gayjin knows exactly how the player should play and progress. Also they moan about how review bombing isn't fair or some retarded plight, suggesting that players have always been free to make suggestions on their forums (that they have never checked, ever, or blatantly disregard). They also made a thinly veiled threat to turn off the game forever, making the whole post even more laughable and out of touch.
Now everyone is laughing, watching their steam score plummet (as it should have happened years ago), and waiting excitedly to see what dumb response Gayjin will come up with next.
At this point i am just waiting for the retarded subhuman russkie to pull the game off steam or update it with some really retarded shit as that copepost just shows how much they actually hate their playerbase that is playing and paying for their game as if you look at the reviews a good chunk of the players are people with several if not thousands of hours into the game i am one of them but instead of repairing the bridge they decide to demolition it completely at the least i don't have to bother with this game anymore and can play some other shit instead, what a retarded company.
Repair costs are not a problem, it's the lack of balance around them. I can lose 8k in a tank from any faction, but the slavs pay 3.5k in the same tier, with a premium they guarantee making money over it just by spawning in and getting hit. Shit like that and drones/KA-50 full premium lineups completely out of balance of the gameplay just make that investment even more ridiculous to maintain, even as a good player.
Repair costs have no reason to exist. Period.
If they need to slow down progression, just make the next plane more expensive. Having to fly a shit plane for a few matches to repair the plane you actually want to fly and bought already is retarded as fuck.
Obviously, it makes sense in the sense of milking some paypiggie, but I guess they milked it too hard this time.
>Having to fly a shit plane for a few matches to repair the plane you actually want to fly
hmm
maybe that's a way to force players to play down in the lower levels and fill out the matches there instead of just at the maximum tier?
>instead of letting the playerbase pick and choose what tiers they want to work towards and stay in, force players to play dogshit tiers over and over again to get one match of a t6
hmm
maybe that's some dogshit game design
All it forces people to do is to lawn mow ground targets to afford repairs, which is safer than trying to hunt down enemy lawnmowers and getting shot down instead?
two big things
>yes the game is free to play but if you want to play anything modern you'll be grinding at least couple hundred hours
>game has a crew mechanic but you can boost crew stats with premium currency, meaning the same vehicle, driven by a paypig crew have significant advantages like 2 seconds faster reloads
>Nyoooo, you can't make money! I demand everything for free! Nyoooooo!
Best part is these retards think steam won't remove their blatant review bombs.
Zoomers moroning out over a free2play.
>zoomers
>playing warthunder
I'll admit playing a F2P game and expecting not to get fucked is like spreading your asscheeks against a gloryhole and thinking similarly but come on now
I don't want this thread to die just yet, but I have nothing to really add outside of a bump. Steam forums are still throwing a shitfit, steamcharts shows they're dropping active player count. I don't know who's still playing at this point.
It's the train wreck effect. I logged in just to see how bad the SL rewards have become but didn't even bother playing a match today. I haven't played in some time but expected this at some point. They will just use this as their excuse for going to Epic and from there who knows. My guess is after a decade of shitting on players with a terrible grind they aren't about to do the opposite even if it means saving face or the game.
Seeing them go to epic would be hilarious cope of the finest order.
"oh no the players demand we don't assfuck them with every update, fuck them lets go to epic"
>They will just use this as their excuse for going to Epic
I hope they have a fun time having all their potential revenue stolen by the Fortnite black hole. War Thunder has no chance competing against the world's fourth or fifth most popular form of communication
Probably Russians and Chinese.
so why doesn't someone just make a private server for this shit already?
if random MMOs can do it why not this?
>only ever play my A.C.I and assorted other brit rank 2s
>income never mattered, never planned on playing anything higher tiered
I played War Thunder once, 8 years ago. It was awful.
>started with some shitty russian tank i forget the name of
>constantly matched against panzer IV's I couldn't do anything to and they could 1-shot me from any range at any angle
>stick with it, unlock a basic T-34
This must be where the game gets good, right?
>first match w/t-34, pitted against a tiger tank
>get one-shotted across the map
>alt-f4, uninstall, never even thought about it again until today
So did they ever de-gayify the matchmaking or is it still just as fucking gay 8 years later?
Instead of one T-34 there are now a dozen both premium and regular but i would say it got somewhat better, Russia is literally one of the most begginer friendly nations that being said i still don't recommend installing it again unless you really like tanks and still there are better alternatives for WW2 stuff.
Your mistake was being a filthy tanker instead of a glorious ALT-TABBING pilot.
I fucking hope Bidens dementia makes him think it's the cold war again so he will destroy Russia with nuclear fire.
I don't consider moroncattle that plays tank games humans. Don't know and don't care what happened, but if it's bad - you deserved it.
>remove repair costs
>raise purchasing costs
it's that fucking easy
You're talking about a company that couldn't add more plane skins because "it would make the game too large".
Overwhelmingly negative games are such a fucking rare occurence
I literally have no clue what other games on Steam are rated that low
>want to give them negative review
>realise I already did in 2014
>edit it and change nothing to make it fresh
>rampant cheating
>worlds shittiest matchmaker
>poor server performance
>infinite calculations*~~*~~
>realistic mode enemy name tags
>balance changes take forever and never actually fix anything
>p2w as hell
>refusal of devs to address problems
stop playing shit games. I am killing mobile gamers in a fun game, destroying mobile gaming. What are you doing to fix gaming?
Is phly going to become homeless now?
remember when that portugal slut dumper her bf to live with old british geezer sugar daddy? or was it in world of tanks?
That was in world of tanks. She also got engaged to him, then cancelled their wedding and still lives with him? Dunno, I lost track of the drama when I stopped playing these slav grind simulators.
I don't think I've ever seen so few clowns on a popular negative review. Typically there's at least a few fanboys that can't stand their favorite game getting shat on. Definitely more than 3. lmao
I feel warthunder players know they're trapped in an insidious skinner box but can't bring themselves to quit
The 3 are Gayjim
When the competition is so terrible, it's no wonder other f2p games get away with being shit.
How am i supposed to read this garbage and not be reminded of games like Dota, League of Legends, Overwatch, World of Tanks, World of Warships, Counter strike, etc etc and how none of them have to punish you for playing the game?
shadap pidor~~*(
All those games are simply missing out on their own version of the repair cost. Just make it so the character you were playing is wounded in battle and needs time to heal but you can speed it up by paying money. Bam, easy cash.
Any game that does this kind of gay bullshit is not a game I will ever play.
Just don't get hit or die. What are you, a casual?
WoT has progressively been making credits much more valuable as opposed to the relative ease you could make them years ago (just playing t8 with a good premium tank), and there is repair cost—playing >VIII (and X especially) can make you lose a lot of money without premium account time and boosters, doubly so if you've got a shit tank, and with all the consumables and "gold" ammo, too. The game mechanics are actively predatory but gayjin is just the cancer-est.
>moneystolenwatch
>none of them have to punish you for playing the game
because there is no game! ahahahaha
Let's be real in wot you needed a premium tank of tier 7-8 to pass beyond tier 8 (at least when I played it) since you would never have money to advance further. And t10 was not self sustainable.
Cant say much about the rest but Dota has every hero unlocked from start so you mostly buy cosmetics.
In LoL you do have to unlock every champion and real money can be used for that but it will give you zero advantage because even free or cheap champions are just as useful as new and expensive ones. The only thing that could be called p2w in LoL is that you can reach level 30 faster by paying therefore you unlock spells and runepages faster but it's all irrelevant because you aren't allowed to play ranked before that. So the real progression is like 1 week instead of 2 weeks and after that everyone has the same chance.
Can only speak for ships but it 100% punishes you for playing the game.
Hence the player base dropping off a cliff with the last several major patches doing increasingly more to make playing the game pure suffering.
>try to get to t72
>stuck around 8.0
>bleed money until I'm squarely on 0
cocи хyй co cвoeй экoнoмикoй жидинцeв
greetings from VK, reviewings bomb will continue until gaijin improves
Stop complaining chuds
>NO WHY IM I BEING garden gnomeRINO IN MY F2PERINO!!!
why do people complain about the most benign shit, but ignore the constant shit other companies are pushing on them.
Just left my first review and it felt good. Fucking gnomish slavs
compared to blizzards bs its a penuts
>War Thunder shills marketing thread
Nobody gives a flying fuck about your F2P game.
which one of you is this?
>of you
you seem to be lost discord chud
sorry I meant to say y'all
>tfw shizo f2p devs stalk my true ethical F2P account and keep feeding me bad RNG
I will never ever pay. I will perceiver.
it's "schizo" and "persevere" anon
>F2P
Cancer of vidya
gaijin is like this in every game. I play crossout which has gone from not too bad to grind to effectively pay to win, and f2p can't even progress over the last 8 years. I don't know why the devs do it, I would actually be willing to spend money on the game because I enjoy it so much, but not while they are openly hostile to anyone not giving them $1k a year.
Also as with all Russian f2p games, it suffers from devs don't play their own game syndrome. Or rather, they don't play it the same way a real person plays it, they use accounts with every single item maxed out, and have no concept of the suffering both f2p and piggies go through to get even a fraction of the items.
They must be taking Korean MMO lessons, because they start grindy p2w then bit by bit they take out gold farming strats just so people HAVE to pay.
Played ArcheAge, BDO, Lost Ark so far from start and the plan is always the same.
I have warthunder installed for years and I haven't played a single round. I just use to the game as reference when building scale models.
new tank
Don't care for war Thunder.Wasn't for me. prefer Sturmovik. B.A.T. mod. plenty of fucken planes and theaters of war. all for free. No need to grind or whatever it is. Shame really. Seemed interesting with the tanks. Keith
>Shame really. Seemed interesting with the tanks
agree. Indeed shame
>PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE KEEP GIVING US MONEY GOYIM PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
get rekt noob
heh
heh
>last played like 7 years ago
>just recently thought to myself
>hey, that warplane game was cool
>maybe I should pick it up again
>see the current trashfire
oh well, guess I'm avoiding this one
Is there another game where I can fly planes and shoot down morons?
>words words words words
where the funny?
Has anyone else bothered with the Gaijin Dollars or whatever they're called? That entire system didn't seem worth it.
Sell event vehicles and buy premium accounts/vehicles on sale
Wrong board
fag
Ok Ganker, what's a good F2P progression economy?
Hard Mode: you can't just say "not free to play" or "everything should be free"
Warframe at least the last time I played it.
original League of Legends (pre-2014)
Warframe's was the only one I've played where spending money didn't feel awful.
Any game with premium currency trading, for example warframe. It's essentially allows whales to legally outsource autistic grind to poorfags.
Whales buy plat. Poorfags grind loot. Whales buy loot from poorfags. Poorfags spend plat in premium shop. Everyone is happy. Dev got money, poorfags got access to paid content.
It was probably a mistake for Gaijin dollars to exist when Golden Eagles were already a thing.
except they did it on purpose, they don't want any interaction like warframe because they want event vehicles like the Sd. Kfz 234/4 or Obj. 279 to go for 200 dollars on the market. Their entire business model is centered around history channel morons, turd worlders with their mom's credit card that think they're Michael Wittman, and mega-hyper whales.
Gaijin didn't realize it might have been a good idea to get a lot of smaller transactions between players instead of only having the larger purchases from whales?
maybe but remember that Gaijin explicitly actively dislikes its playerbase. They don't want the average player to have fun vehicles like the pak puma because that would mean they're having fun, and that goes against their business model. Which is making the average player suffer as much as possible so they buy premium time and overpowered premium vehicles to lessen the pain.
"predatory customer enticement system" is the name for the model
it allows them to switch between 2 things to grind, SL used to be easy to get, RP rewards were low
then it changed to RP was easy to get, and you had to grind SL
Now both are grindy, although RP is not that bad but SL is REALLY bad
they can say 'look we care about the community' by increasing the worthless XP, in this case RP
can someone give me a quick rundown
i remember playing this shit game back in 2014, when all we had were planes and terrible netcode
imagine a game where you can kill half the enemy team and still make a net lossin ingame currency because you died once
that's basically the current state of affairs and they tried to make it even worse
why are people still playing this game, exactly?
i remember playing world of tanks too, that game was also dogshit
like get some better taste
jk i know it's just thirdies, since they're the target audience of f2p games anyway
no more points for takeoff/landing
no more points for taking hits and surviving
win rewards got slashed hurting everyone with a positive win rate
SL costs raised at every turn, need to exceed 1 K/D to just break even playing the game in many planes
RP gains slashed and slashed and slashed again so premium players are at the same point F2P players were at 6 years ago, and F2P players have to be living gods to not go broke
the most absurdly tone-deaf moderation and devs you have EVER seen, holds its playerbase in active contempt
instead of balancing vehicles they raise the price to play them which just means a small cabal of elite players gets to sealclub with it
event that offer stuff have had their rewards cut time and again, and even the ones that are left are dogshit copy-paste
I could go on
look how much better the game looked 9 years ago
how it looks now
lighting way worse
tracers way worse
ground textures WAY worse
fire/explosions way worse
aircraft textures worse
I'm out of the loop here. Was there a new update that was particularly greedy or did everyone just collectively decide at once that they were fed up?
both
there was a planned economy change that would ass fuck everyone even more
that finally solidified the playerbase to chimp out
Gaijin said "IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO"
but it was too late
now everyone wants the progression to be so easy that everyone gets a top tier vehicle after 3 days of playing
It's not that people want progression to be that easy. It's that they don't want to have to grind matches for hours just to be able to grind top tier vehicles that are cannon fodder until spaded. Top tiers are a ghost town for that reason. I want to see intense matches where people more than 1 and done then the player base can start whining about how gold for vehicle slots is pay to win. Once that's the biggest whine we will be on the path to healing.
>Top tiers are a ghost town for that reason.
how to reveal you don't play top tier
some retard was arguing he should make 20,000 RP per match
That would get him a T80 in 13 matches. That's retarded.
I don't play top tier because it's 10% of sweaty neets and giga whales saying this is fine. Someone yesterday referenced some top youtuber documenting his spading of an F16 or something. Even someone with premium and top skill had to take 200 matches to spade it and millions of SL. Now apply this to normies and it gets even more insane. It can do with some scaling back but the most crucial component is making it accessible to the majority who don't have the time, income, skill or autism to be in the 10%. All it would do is make ques shorter and offer up more targets.
I've reached top tier ground in USA and im about to reach it with Japan and holy shit it does feel like a fucking ghost town after the 5 minute mark due to either the team filled with 1 death - 1 premium only vehicle, or a team fucking fumbles within the 8 minute mark that it basically fucking snowballs
you get more action in the mid tiers/ww2 and comebacks are actually possible
I do want a better economy because deciding to grind more than 3-2 nations is suicide
>200 dollars on the market
Oh btw can anyone check how much does KV-220 cost these days.
I can't even browse the market because DMM account with 3d katana decal blocks access.
it's surprisingly cheap
The "G" is a USD, right? I remember it being $800 when it was first introduced into the market, sortly before I dropped the game.
Or at least people in chat claimed it was $800 when they accused me of being a whale, though I got it from the crafting event, before market existed.
Back then gaijin probably miscalculated crafting requirements and made it actually possible for f2p players to get one after merely 5-10 hours of grind per day for 30 days.
I think it was added to gacha crates at some point
>cheap
lol
It used to be practically unkillable within its entire matchmaking range thanks to equally thick dual layer armor on all sides including layered turret ring, had better engine than all similar heavies, and decent enough gun.
In arkaden it could solo entire enemy team twice with little effort.
140 is less than 800 yes
still fuckin pissed that the Greyhound and Boarhound are event only
>214IPs
>WT thread
Is this 4chan or Ganker thread or they did something with game economy?
I spent 15eur 3 years ago and now I have 1000eur worth of shit in coupons
time to sell account
Do you still need to give your phone number to gaijin to be on the market?
yes
lame
New thread
>most likely written by ai
>has a picture of a robot in the announcement
Lmao
And it has a reddit comic too. It's so out-of-touch it's unreal.