lol. lmao even

lol
lmao even

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The worse type of cheese, dishonest and brainless.
    I would be fine if they just banned Shed Tail with Cyclizar combo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bro, just make a mon unable to use its signature move
      fucking smogontard

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >its signature move
        Retard. Orthworm isn't OU or Ubers because of Shed Tail. It's the combination of Shed Tail and Regenerator.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >synergy is...LE BAD
          typical omgon player

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >get free sub on anything in your party with zero downside
            Sneed

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but consider adapting
              Dragapult is overused as shit already and runs infiltrator
              Sound moves, hazards (which are everywhere), taunt, and just strong mons (which are also everywhere) shut this shit down
              I love how everyone can complain about how CrAzY the power level is then also bitch that a shitmon gets free weak subs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And I get it passes those subs to something better, but they're not great subs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You shed tail to dragonite. You click dragon dance. I don't think there's anything that can get through a multiscale sub especially if you shed tail against something without sound or infiltration. Don't be dumb

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So switch on the shed tail?
                You can see what they are likely to pass to in preview and you should have an idea of what sweepers you need to cover anyway
                You have to team-building and predict a little, the game can't just play itself

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bro just let me set up and sweep you bro
                Sneed and Chuck

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm literally saying "bro stop me from sweeping" and telling you how

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The other consideration though is that Cyclizar gets respectable special attack, so it can fire of a Draco Meteor or Overheat using Choice Specs for something you switched in anticipating a physical Dragon Dance user, Knock Off to get rid of an item on the wall you were sending in, or U-Turn to scout and send out something other than what you predicted.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Draco Meteor on cyclizar is pretty niche. And anyway that's just like...the game. Both players make predictions based on the information you have, and there's not always a totally safe option. In the case of cyclizar though, there were a number of options nonetheless, so I think the ban is disappointing
                Thus one should have gone to a suspect

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't exactly call a powerful Stab with the downside of needing to switch on a mon that loves to switch 'niche'.
                I think the distinction in this case is that while predicting a Shed Tail and getting hit with a Knock Off, Rapid Spin, U-Turn, or Draco Meteor instead when you switch isn't too bad, predicting any of those others and them using Shed Tail means they've got a powerful set up sweeper who will get at least one turn for free.
                And if you do predict the switch and send out a counter? They can hit your counter for some chip damage as you burn the sub, and then just switch out their setup sweeper for later. And Cyclizar is back to 83% thanks to Regenerator, meaning that as the game progresses, it can come back in, U-Turn or clear hazards, and attempt to do the same thing all over again.
                And even if you take out Cyclizar, you still haven't actually dealt with the setup sweeper. You've simply made it harder for it to set up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think I'd ever want Draco Meteor over knock off, u-turn, or spin, but actually the rest is fair enough. If it didn't have either rapid spin or knock off it would be way more manageable but I see what you mean about its kit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Draco meteor + scarf is perfect to fuck over other Cyclizars, it's a personal favorite

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So switch on the shed tail?
                Anon, why do you think U-Turn and its variants have been such historically good moves?
                It's because switching has the highest priority. Meaning that if you click a pivot move and your opponent switches, you can just go right into a counter to what they switched into in a single turn. This is known as "momentum".
                The same applies to Shed Tail, but you also get a substitute in addition to the momentum.
                Switching on the Shed Tail just means that your opponent can choose which Shed Tail recipient to go into to counter your counter.
                >You can see what they are likely to pass to in preview
                On a bad team, yes. A good team built around Shed Tail will have multiple recipients.
                Bans are made with good players in mind.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >switch to Dnite counter
                >opponant tail shed on your counter's counter
                >do not switch to Dnite counter
                >opponant gets to easily set up with Dnite and wins the game
                Do you fucking understand now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uh...just have coverage to check the "counter" to your counter. Sounds like a MASSIVE skill issue, sweetie...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just have coverage to counter 3 other Pokémon on one Pokémon bro (not counting Grimmsnarl)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Maybe the skill issue was even bigger than I thought if you think that's unreasonable...poor bab 🙁

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >switch to your dragonite counter
                >they don't switch to dragonite because they get to see what you switched to first
                based retard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By forcing them to pass to something suboptimal you get chip on two mons, and have a good chance to stop the sweep
                If their team is just sweepers and cyclizar, and for some reason that works then that's on you, not shed tail

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm stoked to play cyclizar lugia

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cyclizar lugia
                How do you stop it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally anything, honestly. Lugia has been dead weight for nearly a decade now, and when it comes back in the inevitable DLC legendary portals next year it’s not even going to have toxic anymore. Remember this thing has 90/90 offenses in a tier where Arceus, the XYZ legends, Necrozma, Calyrex, and now Miraidon are running around.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Switch to multi hit moves.
                Baxcalibur can dance and kill with ice spear using loaded dice.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What about mimikyu

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I love how everyone can complain about how CrAzY the power level is then also bitch that a shitmon gets free weak subs
                IMO it's not the shitmon's fault here, it's really how it just enables too much of a favorable position. Usually a set-up sweeper who gets a free turn if you let this happens

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just use taunt bro
                >Vs a pokemon faster than everything in the tier except meow, pult, chien that frequently runs choice scarf anyway
                Also if you switch pult or a whirlwind user in on reaction they can shed to Hatterene to reflect the whirlwind and tera so your ghost move does nothing and beat your ass

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I love how everyone can complain about how CrAzY the power level is then also bitch that a shitmon gets free weak subs
                But it's not the shitmon getting a free weak sub. It's the next mon you send in getting the sub.
                And a sub is a sub. Even if the sub only had 1 HP, it's still withstanding one hit for free. Nobody is claiming that Cyclizar is broken because it's making the other mon completely invincible. But it gives a free turn to the next mon sent in. Usually a setup sweeper.
                You could say to use Taunt, but Cyclizar is fast.
                You could say to use hazards, but setup sweepers are just as strong at low HP as they are at max HP.
                You could say to use Dragapult, but taking a turn to switch in is still giving a free turn to the opponent.
                You could say to use sound moves, but that means either switching on or using a full team of mons with sound moves.

                Shed Tail just further enables the crazy power level.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But it gives a free turn to the next mon sent in. Usually a setup sweeper.
                That's why it was banned.
                If it was a benefit to stall, it would be here forever. But it purely helped offense.
                This is why Garganacl, Dondozo, and Goldengo will never be banned.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                shed tail -> priority screens grimmsnarl -> parting shot into sweeper is the most braindead shit ever

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >bro just let me set up and sweep you bro
              Sneed and Chuck

              >m-maybe if i talk like them they won't clock me
              nice try chud but you don't pass

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So what's your argument?
            You posted something related to Smogon and then sperg out and hurl insults when you're put in your place

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not bad. It's good. That's why it is an Uber.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            post elo.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you going “muh omgon muh smogon tard” when smogon did the opposite of what that “smogontard” is saying? They kept the sinergy, didn’t separate mon from sig move.

            And why does no one in the replies to your post acknowledge this?

            This board is filled with retards, jesus christ. I reckon comp-related threads ironically bring the retards in and coomer threads have higher IQ posters

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's the combination of Shed Tail and Regenerator
          And yet all the recover/slack off regenerators are fine?
          It really makes you think.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah because you don't get a litterally free sub+pivot to setup anything you want with little threat to you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retarded vgcuck

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when this thing gets to be one of the best support pokémon while meganium is still shit
    This franchise sucks ass and the mindless sheep who only care about popular Pokémon can suck my ass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Stop liking things because... Just stop ok?
      Stop liking Meganium, because uhh, it's unpopular

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MUH UGLY DEXCUT SHITMON!
      noboddy care gay

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine thinking Meganium is ugly.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cyclizar would be Starmie 2.0 if not for Shed Tail.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Water/Psychic is a lot better offensively though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was hoping that Shed Tail would be banned instead of Cyclizar, because a Shift Gear set in lower tiers sounds like fun.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play custom game or AG that way you dont have to worry about rulesets and clauses

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shed Tail + Regenerator is too strong of a combo in 6v6 singles. And top of that Cyclizar has good utility in Rapid Spin, Knock Off, and U-turn.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yet Tropius doesn't get jack shit. You know, there must be a bias against dinosaur Pokémon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Infiltrator ability exists for a reason lol

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Infiltrator is extremely situational and the only viable Pokemon that has it is Dragapult.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So uh...just use Dragapult, chud...what are you, bad or something?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what are you, bad or something?
            You clearly are. If you were good, your ability to counter with dragapult would have made other people realize this combo wasn't broken. But I guess your inability to sway anyone means that you and your strategy aren't reliable.
            Sounds like a skill issue for you!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anti meta tech is extremely situational

          Is Defog also extremely situational?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LMFAO

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people try and play 6v6 when GF clearly doesn't attempt to balance the game for 6v6

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably because it's the format most of the games use, and the one the anime uses for "top-level battles". It's what people are accustomed to.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Entire game outside of occasional double/triple/rotation is 6v6 singles
      >"NOOO GF NEVER INTENDED YOU TO PLAY THAT YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING VGC EXCLUSIVELY"
      lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >GF never intended you to play that
        who are you quoting.
        I said the game isn't balanced for 6v6. Because it clearly isn't. The game also let's you dump potions, X items and other retarded game breaking shit during single player. Why aren't you playing 6v6 with X items.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The game clearly isn't balanced for vgc either seeing how everyone runs the same mons there, member Landorus + Incineroar?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the existence of a meta means the game is inbalanced
            oh you are one of those people

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When the meta results in only ~10 Pokémon being used yeah

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                literally 50+ pokemon in the last top 32

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >hey, maybe if certain Pokemon get upwards of 90% usage, that's a sign of poor balance
              >OH SO YOU THINK A META SHOULDN'T EXIST AT ALL, HUH?!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if certain Pokemon get upwards of 90% usage, that's a sign of poor balance
                Yeah! That's why Lando keeps being banned to Ubers!
                Retard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lando
                >90% usage
                you don't know what you're talking about

                >But it gives a free turn to the next mon sent in. Usually a setup sweeper.
                That's why it was banned.
                If it was a benefit to stall, it would be here forever. But it purely helped offense.
                This is why Garganacl, Dondozo, and Goldengo will never be banned.

                >dondonzo
                >seeing play
                >gholdengo
                >stall
                you don't know what you're talking about

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://victoryroadvgc.com/pokemon-sword-shield-team-reports/
              >50% of teams run Zacian + Kyogre + Incineroar + Healthy Genie(s)
              >99% of teams runs at least two of the above
              Yeah that's totally healthy bro

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Still official and not your fake bullshit, sweaty :3

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >GF clearly doesn't attempt to balance the game
      Correct.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real game doesn't use fake mechanics like sleep clause and randomly ban shitmons

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sleep clause is good, retard
          What's next are you going to defend evasion?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, maybe try bringing moves that cannot miss instead of only going for max power, gay.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >bro just bring this absolute shit tier move that will never be useful outside of when I bring my OP garbage
              Unironically have a nice day

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heavy slam is good

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, yeah, just like all the VGC players do, right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did they make heavy duty boots and keep making hazard clearing moves then. Nobody uses hazards in vgc or 3v3

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they think it’s cool and it fills a niche.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why did Magic print a card where you discard your hand for nothing

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WHAT? MY chud SEA URCHIN CAN'T BREAK THE SUB? BAN BAN BAN BAN!

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one of my favorite new pokemon is an uber
    I love having good taste!

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    singles is truly a pathetic format

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3v3 singles doesn't have this issue because it's not a format based around stall, meme rocks and constant switching

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.
        No idea how people find the nonstop switching fun at all. It’s retarded.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh holocaust meta

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >CHADzar is Ubers
    Heath was right, this thing is a total beast and was probably a legend in the past.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    omgon just needs to allow complex bans because this is ridiculous

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only Cyclizar has the tools to abuse Shed Tail. It's perfectly balanced on Orthworm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can't do that, remember? It would make them look too autistic!

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Psycho lizard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Qu’est-ce que c’est?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          CUTE

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think Smogon is wrong for their bans, I just think they're fighting a losing battle. GF doesn't give a fuck about 6v6, the bans will look increasingly worse. The whole thing unironically screams sunk cost fallacy at this point. They don't even write descriptions for most pokemon anymore.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cyclizar is Uber
    Still useless in Raids though?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      made up format please understand

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    seeing vgcucks cope always puts a smile on my face

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like shitizard is Ubereats paki delivery boy's mount of choice.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think they will quickly find that it breaks Ubers too.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You lost, shedtail abusers.

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