I'm trying to get the final guard's weapon and I've leveled up 15 times in the process, so it got me thinking, how long have some of you spent on getting one specific time? Are there any particularly egrerious droprates in some games? I'm talking less than 1% here.
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Drop rate 1/256 for the Goo King Sword. There's much worse out there but this is the only one I wasted time trying to get.
Was it worth it?
It's only slightly better than the Royal Sword, but it is better.
The real issue is at that point in the game any boss you would want it for require Hourglass spam instead.
Why are the japanese so damn illfully autistic about this thing? Like, they dont understand that this isnt good game design?
>Like, they dont understand that this isnt good game design?
It's not the developers that are autistic, it's the people grinding for a drop that rare instead of just playing the game that are autistic.
Items like this are supposed to be secret. You're not supposed to grind for them, they're supposed to pop up rarely in some people's playthrus as "OH SHI-" items. Kinda like Warmech on the bridge in FF1.
Frick off moron.
The premise of the game is that every enemy has a soul you can get. It isn't a "secret." It practically begs the player to collect all of them.
Not really though, even in the context of souls you're not supposed to get them all, you're supposed to make do with what you get and every playthrough would be different because of that
but then people like you just look up a guide for the "best" souls and grind for them, making themselves overlvl'd in the process as well
Collecting every soul literally gives you a special item, so yes you are meant to get them all.
>a special item
The Chaos Ring is utterly useless by the time you get it. And would snap the game in half if you could have it early. Its a fun bonus toy, and not intended for normal use. No, you aren't supposed to go full autism and get all the souls every single run you idiot.
I do what I want.
You can yes.
Couldn't you trade souls with a link cable or am I thinkinh of something else.
>Frick off moron.
Woah no need to be so rude you son of a fricking prostitute, he is correct
Its just my autism. I don't need the sword and the claim solais shits on everything that isn't Julius, I just want it.
For a pvp game it's necessary just so you can style in noobs.
it extends playtime, even if you might likely think the grinding is boring
The most grindy thing I've done is a swordless zelda 1 playthrough. The main grindy thing is having to get a ton of rupees over the game to buy all of the extra weapons you need to make it work, and to have a huge supply of arrows since those are your main weapon until you get the rod. Incidentally, I'm still stuck on my run, because frick wizzrobes. Frick them so hard.
I grinded on and off for 10 years. I have no idea why it took so fricking long. I would do it for like weeks at a time and stop for a few months but still holy shit.
asiatic-ing s-word
An hour from accidentally leaving the room multiple times trying to get 2 Crissaegrims
>2
For what purpose?
Get one and a rune sword
Left and right hand so you can spam
One is literally the most you can spam
You gain nothing from having two
false
Not false
Just press the button faster, you gain nothing from dual wielding them
i have more than 1 finger let me utilise them Black person
Not him, but there is a significant difference with having two crissaegrims in SotN. With one, you can kill dracula before he finishes his first summon. With two, he'll be dead before he finishes swiping at you a second time.
Speaking of pointless grinding, I once spent hours collecting $2000 gold from this candle so that I could use the duplicator to use throwables for the rest of the game.
forgot the damn pic
Should have used the room in the coliseum area with musket skeletons and knights. Keep running through with chakrams or the swords that fly out and the knights won't use their barrier. Hold a shield at the same time to block the muskets. There's a 1k or 2k bag in there. Can't remember which.
That was a considered option, but as you pointed out that room is loaded with shit that can kill you quickly if you don't have the right setup, and I didn't want to get into a situation where I grinded 100,000 gold just to die on accident. That's why I ended up picking the bag in the cavern. Walking distance is longer from a screen transition, but its much safer.
On the Playstation I used to use the familiar merman room trick to level up to 99. Never bothered with the duplicator Now I just cheat to get money.
In SOTN I spent weeks on stone head medusa to try and get Alucard to do his vampire form stone pose. It's required to get the 200.02% (or whatever is the max).
In 33 years of playing I've seen it one time.
Really?, i remember seeing that thing a couple of times at the very least when i played this game in the year 2000.
it's not required for 200.6%, that's just map completion
>. It's required to get the 200.02% (or whatever is the max).
I'm pretty sure that is map completion related, not item or whatever related.
that's weird. i used to see this all the time. i mean, not extremely frequently, but...
In the 20 some odd years i've been replaying this game, I feel like I always see it during a playthru. I just did a playthru a few months ago and definitely saw it. Crissaegrim also dropped on the 2nd schmoo, so that may have been a lucky run.
They drop pretty fast, but it does suck to leave the room early.
I got one my first playthrough by blind luck without even trying, fricked around with it for a few minutes and then equipped something else. It was only later I learned it was considered hard to find and OP.
Not like it matters in SOTN anyways. I'm glad I played through it the first time being blissfully unaware of how easy it is to break.
The Gutsy Bat in Mother 2 (GBA version).
I got all of the 1/128 drops in the game (at least equippable items) and that's the only one I was missing, I grinded for months on and off. The thing is that the enemy that drops it is rare so it's a lot of time just trying to encounter them, then hoping for the drop. I played in short bursts here and there, like 10, 15 mins a day (usually when taking a dump, playing it on GBA was convenient). Eventually I got it, yay.
Shiny hunting in Pokémon.
I was once suicidal enough to do this in Colosseum. To give an idea of how bad of an idea this is
>1/8192 odds
>normal shadow pokemon have that chance to become shiny after you catch them
>shadow pokemon are commonly the last mon an enemy will send out
>even the fastest ones to hunt in the game are 90 seconds per encounter since you can't save just anywhere you want
>i hunted the final boss's shadow Tyranitar because I mistakenly thought it was the hardest shiny of all to get when it's actually among the easier ones since you have a save nearby and can skip the 5 fights before him by losing to him once
>it took nearly 5 minutes per encounter since i had to fight his entire team each time
>to even get fights this fast i had to grind to level 100 (you're meant to be 50-60 at this point)
took me over 2 weeks, but i got lucky, to get over 8000 encounters would have taken over half a year easy.
>shiny hunting
Please take your basedjak garbage away from /vr/ and back to Ganker. Literally fricking no one wants you here.
>literally
have a nice day, gaytard.
He's still right you know. You're also right that shiny hunting is fricking moronic, but cool it with the trash images. Try to keep some semblance of standards in your saved files, you dumb raging homosexual.
Don’t post images like that, it’s uncouth.
>mfw I'm hunting the Miltank from the first fight in that string
I'm glad you got yours quickly anon, I'm on 140ish resets right now
you're fricking insane, mate, that shit game is the first and only time I cheated all the way through a pokemon game. Had to be the worst game in the series that I've played. That fricking purification, that stupid double battle format, the simple fact that EVERYTHING took for fricking ever, from animations to just starting the battles to even enemy trainers challenging you, made that game insufferable to me.
Past tense of grind is ground
I will never forget.
Getting close to thirty years on the amulet of Yendor.
Reading this makes me want to try nethack. Was it this or stone soup that kept removing fun with a flurry of patches?
Nethack devs are resistance to changes you're thinking of DCSS
Runes in Diablo II
It isn't like you can grind a single enemy for runes. You just clear areas with tons of monster density. At least with rune farming you can either still magic find on unique packs or have no magic find and look for item bases.
I never grind.
>I was playing Yakuza 2 and couldn't pass the cage fighting in Purgatory.
>I played out every side mission I could find. Still couldn't beat it.
>Screw it, looked for a FAQ and did everything I didn't find. Still lost.
>Skimmed the FAQ from the beginning...
>I never applied my leveling up points... I thought the game would just do it like some JRPG or something.
>Applied the points and I almost got no hit through all matches required to continue.
I would been happer if I just blasted through the game fast instead of getting an >80% completion.
Not grinding exactly, but during the pirate ship of super mario rpg i think i spent a good 3 weeks trying to look for an item to allow me to progress past the sunken ship puzzle, only to find out that I had to guess the word "Pearls"
Incidentally, it was during this playthrough I was doing in 4th grade that I was lead to the internet and saw how knowledge could prevent me from toiling away at fruitless things.
Pearls was the one and only time I ever called a Nintendo counselor.
Glad I wasn't the only one stumped by that puzzle.
Did he help you figure out the puzzle, or did he just straight-up tell you the password?
Straight up told me the answer.
Makes sense. I wouldn't want to spend more than a few seconds on a call with some snot-nosed kid if I worked in a soul-sucking call center.
Grinded to lvl 99, 99 in all stats by farming extra incense for every character in Digital Devil Saga just to beat hidden super boss Demi-Fiend. Hes a butthole
That's a neccesity for Demifiend.
And he still kicked your ass I bet.
Took 5 or 6 tries, kept getting crit'd
I tried to get the ultra-rare drops in Final Fantasy IV DS and also Earthbound. Same story in both games: spent hours on it, getting to level 99 in the process. Never got those drops.
Been doing the bronze and silver medals in Dragon Warrior III GBC, can't think of anything else I did that was worse than that
why the frick did they lock content behind this? This shit is why gameshark was invented.
Because thanks to Pokemon, every Game Boy game had to include some kind of collectable that could be traded with other players. The Game Boy Color's IR sensor was specifically made for it.
Not retro but with one of the 3ds inazuma eleven games i had to beat a team 43 times before the item dropped that i needed to recruit a player i wanted
When I was 9, i've had a cartridge with Rush'n Attack. Very tough game (and probably a shitty port), but one day I decided to check if I'll get extra life for 10 000 points. So I laid down and spent 40-50 minutes stabbing soldiers with knife which was worth 100 points for each.
I've got that extra life eventually, then went forward and won the game for the first and only time.
Reminds me of Contra 3 (same publisher hey) where you can rubber band your controller on level 1 for a few hours and get 9 lives. Fun stuff
My max level blue slime in dragon quest
8:99 on every spell in SoM probably. I just temporarily cheat if possible nowadays (e.g. high luck stat)
I thing the longest real grind I ever did for a single item was buying the RYNO2 early in Ratchet and Clank 2.
I was just replaying the games on the Vita version and I thought it would be a fun novelty to grind the bolts to get the RYNO2 as soon as it's available. Because the quantity of bolts you get scales depending on how many you have, I worked out that the best way of doing it was to just endlessly replay the 30 second challenge in the first arena since it always rewards at least 500 bolts and only takes like 20 seconds or so to beat. Probably took me like 15 hours or so of just spinning around in a circle with the lancer to shoot every enemy and repeat the mission. (btw the victory counter overflows at 255 so this screenshot was waaay more than 146 wins)
Doing that was incredibly autistic but it was a pretty fun novelty playing through the game just stomping everything with the RYNO on the new save. Literally the only enemy that didn't just get instantly deleted was the Gigantomech (which was a problem)
I want to do this again next time I replay the PS2 version.
I bought a Vita at a secondhand shop and it's pretty hard to find games for it. Should I download Ratchet and Clank? Does it play well?
The vita ports are reviewed poorly for good reason, I'm pretty mixed on them myself.
Overall I do think they play fairly well but as is often the case with vita stuff, the rear touch panels make for awful L2/R2 buttons unless you have L2/R2 grips (I don't have my own, but I tried them once). It's not a BIG deal overall but it'll make the lock strafe control scheme in 3 nearly unusable. Personally I've always been a diehard third person user, but I know lock strafe is the most popular control scheme so not being able to play 3 with lock strafe might be a dealbreaker to some.
The performance is downgraded, it's 30fps with some slowdown. If you got enough explosions going on the game can kind of start crawling but major slowdowns don't usually happen without good reason.
The worst issues with the vita ports though is the sound glitches. There's a few glitches in general like some weird model stuff or broken transparency on some textures, but a lot of sound effects in the game are broken in that they either don't play at the correct volume (the background planes in 1's first level are a good example they always sound like they're right next to you) or they loop infinitely until you interrupt them somehow (the morph-o-ray in all 3 games does this). It's pretty damn annoying.
So yeah they're crap ports but honestly I don't think they're bad enough to ruin my enjoyment of the games. I probably wouldn't recommend the vita version to someone playing the game for the first time because you will not get a good impression from that, but if you like ratchet and clank games I'd honestly rather play the vita ports over the PSP games if I wanted to play a portable version of the games.
In any case though, if you want shit to play on your vita you might as well pirate it. I'm not really certain if you can alleviate any of those problems using CFW or hacks or anything I don't really mess with my vita that much aside from piracy.
Probably either some Pokemon shit or getting the fiends in SMT1.
>No one ITT mentions RuneScape
Grinding is the game
Grinding efficiently is the meta
I was wondering why it took so long to see RuneScape on the VR board. Everyone here are old gamers but seemingly none played RuneScape? What gives? I just got 99 wc on OSRS and it feels amazing.
Runescape Lesser Demons first thing coming to mind. Was fun, as far as grinding goes. I liked the loop of fishing in notJamaica, then going underground and clapping cheeks for runes that I'd sell later. Low key, felt good to have gotten up from getting pimped out by the banana plantation to being a comfy paladin fisherman
I was grinding for fun though, not for a rare item or anything
rs bros!!
persona is retro enough, anon only said that bc he was insecure that someone like you would crawl out your hole
I got lost in ff1 after putting it down for a month or so, weeks of aimless grinding later I was lvl 99, with max gold and max clock. The rest of the game was no challenge, never have done anything like it since.
>level 99
Shitty version of FF1 detected.
I spent years playing DQ1 little by little because I got it with the Nintendo power sub, and I had no concept of what an RPG was, I knew I had to go to places and level up but that was it, eventually I finally understood what an RPG was and went back to it and finished it proper, by that point I had just managed to rescue the princess despite having no clue as to what I was doing.
If you know, you know
Is that RoTMG?
Most definitely. I don't know what it is though, because I stopped playing that game once it started adding microtransactions and facebook integration.
Stupid goblin in FFXI on the carpenters landing ferry. I camped that on and off for over a year and by the time I got the drop my RDM was way out leveled for the stupid fricking shield. But hey trophy item
that fricking game. every drop rate is autism level.
and it was an orc 😉
I'll be added if I can find a picture of it on this MFing tablet, but Phantom Brave's best sword was quite a bit of bullshit to get
Crawling down 100 floors of randomly generated dungeon, with no exiting - for a miniscule chance that the boss will spawn holding it, to say nothing of actually being levelled enough to pull it off them, and then capture it
Probably Diablo 2 mfing. I wish I could go back and tell myself to stop being a homosexual and play a better game.
something poe ssf hc related. including deaths and whatnot I think it took me like 100-150 hours get a 6link back when it was more difficult to get those.
not retro but I had to grind for 5 hours on 1-3 exp per battle in Persona 3 FES on hard mode. the boss simply did too much damage and our attacks were too weak to survive even a single attack, and eventually i won by fighting solo and abusing knockdown mechanics making everyone waste a turn to stand back up.
>not retro but
Then why are you here? Piss off.
no
I once spent over an hour trying to encounter the Pink Puffs in FF4 and they promptly wiped out my whole party
>I once spent over an hour trying to encounter the Pink Puffs in FF4 and they promptly wiped out my whole party
I farmed like 100 Alarms and fought the Pink Puffs many dozens of times but I only ever got 1 Pink Tail.
Wow. I spend a lot of time to get 5 of those pink tails, to trade them for 5 adamant armors. I farmed a lot of sirens with edge, of course. I played the PSP version, the auto battle helps a lot, but that was a lot of time wasted, but i can say i'm proud of my "achivement". Now i want to get the the Metal King Helmet from Dragon Quest VI. I was never able to get the Metal King Armor from Dragon Quest V though.
Ff4 the complete collection has a Spanish fan translation. Why you play the game in English?
yeah i have spent some time doing this but never got the drop.
I remember there was a rare car you could unlock in Gran Turismo 3 by beating the longest marathon in the game. Me and my friend did that like twenty times and didn't get it. What a shitty game
The grind in GT3 was fricking shit. I remember I just kinda gave up after getting to the iA races. Might as well go watch water boil.
I ended up getting that the first time I attempted that 2 1/2 hour marathon. The neato thing, or infuriating depending on your viewpoint, is the races that are marathons sometimes have the same cards to unlock, but the cars have higher chances of being unlocked/rewarded with more difficult races. It's how I got the Formula car doing the normal speedway race. It's something like a 10% chance to unlock, but I still unlocked it.
Orb of Mastery in Everquest.
I suppose the Sword of Kings in EarthBound, but it's not too bad as you can ambush-kill the Starman Supers by tagging them while they're still in their teleporting frames.
I heard loads of horror stories about the Sword of Kings, I have a friend who's played Earthbound like 10 times and has never seen it once.
I found it on like, my 3rd encounter with the Starmen
The IMP summon in FF4. I think I hit something like lvl 30 before picking up Rydia because I got it randomly once out of fricking nowhere and I wanted to get it again. But have never, to this day, ever gotten it, or any of the other monster summons, to this day.
I also took a swing at getting the zeus gloves once.
Horseshit. Not worth the effort.
>I think Bomb and Wizard thing were the other two summons if I'm not mistaken.
There are 4 summons (imp, bomb, wieneratrice, and mage), though I don't think wieneratrice drops in the original game.
The best one is easily the Bomb, which is basically a single-target version of the Mist Dragon (HP-based damage formula that ignores magic defense) for half the MP (10 vs 20 for the mist dragon).
I did get the imp once way back in the early 90s and couldn't figure out what it was. I don't think I had Rydia back yet.
true, it doesnt drop in the ness version. I did get imp alllll the way back when i had the original cart. I called the NES hot line to ask wtf it was, and the dude was like 'its a secret summon'!
I remember calling it the 'imp ball'
This one time, playing Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, I wanted to just buy the bombs from the dirty c**tbag Tristram. So I just fought goblins until I had the dosh.
Damn script still kept the same "I can't afford that!" bullshit line.
I had the money! Give me the bombs and frick off! That dragon claw is mine, Black person!
Red Mage job points in FFVGBA.
I think I spent 2-3 hours doing nothing but buying potato chips and chocolates in Shenmue, trying to get both of the Mr. Yukawa figures.. I ran out of money several times and would have to load my save and go back to the store to start over. There's an Easter egg you can find if you have those figures, but it might only be in the Japanese release.
I can't think of any one item in particular in Diablo II, I've grinded an autistic amount of hours into perfecting builds though. If I had to guess I'd say I've spent more time Ber hunting than anything else. Getting keys and doing ubers is pretty damn grindy too. My crowing achievement in D2 was having a level 96 hardcore ladder wind druid. I used to pvp with him, which being in hardcore, was the tightest my butthole has ever felt. He survived the whole season until the ladder reset, and even had a few ears by the end of it. Good times.
>Playing Shenmue back in the day on dreamcast
>Reach the point where you work with the forklifts
>Get to a point in the story where I have to visit some warehouse for information
>I know I'm there but its not working, no clue why
>Bought the strategy guide and everything and nothing, Im in the right spot, right time, nothing
>Eventually give up and just do my forklift job every single day
>Grind out every single collectible, all the forklift race trophies, all the arcade stuff
>Eventually the game just ends with Lan Di coming back looking for the mirror and he kills Ryo
I know the game had more but I never got to see it.
Damn, was it just a glitch I wonder?
Sounds like it was kind of fun anyway, Ryo just becoming a Fork Lift operator for his career until he gets killed.
You would have been absolutely swimming in cash too.
It was actually very fun, I actually got a forklift job a few years later which I did for a few years.
That's really cool man, glad you enjoyed the game and even got a forklift job afterwards.
Ive been playing Maximum Carnage once a week for 5 years, I still cant beat it.
Probaby the Super Suit in mario RPG
Any of you masochists ever grind for the overpriced items in Medina Village in Chrono Trigger?
Never, but I got the Lode Sword from Melchior at the fair once.
I did both. As you'd expect, it doesn't really do much for you.
Adamentium in ff4
Super jump suit in Mario rpg
not as good as others but spending a good few days on shining force 1, keeping the full roster leveling up together.
for anyone unfamiliar, you have to replay the same battle over and over again (there's no random encounters, unlike the sequel), also your xp doesn't rollover (lvl 19 with 99/100 xp, gains 49xp, lvl 20 0/100), just loads of shitty little things that make it tedious to grind.
the worst part is i didn't even finish, realized what a waste of fricking time it was
Grinding for bells in Animal crossing, but that's basically the game so it's more enjoyable than most examples.
I soft reset for over eight hours every day for three weeks in Pokemon USUM for a shiny Zapdos.
Grinded to level 99 in the original Golden Sun, just to unlock all classes and skills.
Off the top of my head, I think I spent a day or two on NES Final Fantasy killing ogres outside Elfland. Did it to grind enough money for 2 silver swords, the rest of the silver equipment for the party, and level 3 and 4 spells for white and black mages.
Once you have all that equipment and experience, you're practically unstoppable for most of the early game. I also grind the Eye in the ice cave.
probably some card in eternal punishment, spent too much time grinding, can't even remember what specifically
One time as a kid I bought a Dratini from the game corner, and in one or two sittings, grinded it up to level 55 to get a Dragonite. I remember it was late into the night on a school night, and I was playing in the dark in bed - it must have been on my Advanced SP. Once I hit level 55, I was tired and worn out, but so happy. I turned the gameboy off. Without saving.
>frick
I turn it back on, and the last time I saved was level 43. I fricking did it all again that night.
I once made the mistake of playing Blue Stinger on the Dreamcast. Shit was incredibly boring and stupid. Since I paid for it with my first job money, I desperately wanted it to get better, so I kept grinding the shit out of killing enemies to afford a lightsaber sword thing.
...it sucked ass, I may as well have been hitting enemies with a green pool noodle.
man i remember that. i had that game and i recall all those vending machines selling crazy shit like that and rocket launchers. it was such a bizarre game. i didnt play it much when i first got it but i eventually went thru it.
As I grow older I fricking despise grinding. Make me do some crazy skill ceiling shit to unlock stuff, I don't care, but don't make me kill some shit enemy 1000 times to get a fricking drop.
That shit was alright when I got like 2 games a year and I was a kid with nothing better to do, but not anymore. If it takes me longer than 10 minutes to grind for something I am fricking cheating it in because your game is dishonest and not respecting my time.
I think they actually acknowledge this a little bit when they include the 2x and 4x speed cheats built in. FF12 was pretty baller when you could speed through the fetch bullshit.
I grinded forever in 1997 trying to unlock Luigi in SM64, only to find I'd been had by one of the earliest Internet pranks.
I never could tolerate any sort of grind in games as a kid. So the longest I've grinded was in DQ1 just this week not for anything special, just to try and complete the game.
>Pick up game because I heard you can be a cool werewolf in it
>Luck cucks me and I spend a week genociding the furry population of daggerfall until I got something other than the fat oinking bastard
>Never did
Game was good, at least.
So you can be either the pig or the wolf? Are there any differences between them?
As far as I coud tell, no, they get the same stat bonuses. In my defense the pig makes extremely annoying noises
In Dragon Ball GT Final Bout you can level characters up. It's incredibly unbalanced. For literally decades I have leveled up my SSJ4 Goku. One punch will literally one shot any character under level 100. I was doing this as a stunt for a cable access show bit I never followed up on. I was going to challenge anyone to level up a character to battle me knowing the only way to win was to be more autistic than I am and spend years tediously leveling up each move.
me and my friends all played the snes dragonball z jrpg, but it didn't have a translation patch back then so we kind of brute forced our way through it. then at a certain point on namek none of us knew what to do (a text box with dodoria's picture would show up, but none of us thought to go see bulma) and one of my friends came up with the idea that maybe if you grind gohan to level 50 he would turn super saiyan. I was the only one autistic enough to attempt it but I never got there because someone lucked into the solution when I was level 48
OP here, level 55, still no sword.
Im not giving up though, I want my trophy
(me)
I FINALLY GOT IT.
Any particular reason you're not using the Claimh Solais?
I forgot where it was, but even then I just wanted to get this weapon since I never tried it before.
The Claimh Solais is in the hidden area behind the underground waterfall. There are only three souls in the game with the ability to let you through. There are some hints as to which souls those are in pictographs around the waterfall.
I'm going to assume MMOs don't count, because that shit is sure going to skew the results.
In WOTLK WoW there's that secret bronze proto-dragon mount rare spawn, I stayed awake for several days trying to camp it and beat other people to it if it ever appeared, maybe getting like only an hour or two of sleep at a time with a bunch of loud alarm scripts set up. I think I literally caused myself some damage and needed to seriously take stock of what these shitty games were doing to my health.
Spent about three whole days trying to recruit this Black person on DQ6, rate of 1/1024. There were probably 4000 attempts, proving that statistics is a lie. Was worth it though, this blackboi can hit twice per turn and can wear the echoing hat theoretically yielding 4 spells per turn
>rate of 1/1024. There were probably 4000 attempts, proving that statistics is a lie
A rate of 1/1024 means that every individual attempt you have a 1/1024 chance of getting it, not that 1024 attempts are more or less guaranteed to get you what you want
It also means shitty game design. It takes very little effort for the devs to code in some kind of counter that ensures you'll get the thing after so many encounters so as to prevent stupid shit like this happening.
After 1024 attempts it should have happened once. That's what statistics promised.
I'm playing Yu-Gi-Oh! The Sacred Cards for the GBA and it's been a wonderful time, however I'm close to the end on my save, only the final 3 matches of Battle City left, and realized that there were only a few cards missing for me to have at least a single copy of all 900 cards available to purchase on the shop, so I decided that I wanted to go for it before finishing the campaign, since I've never been able to get every single card in a Yu-Gi-Oh! video game before, 100% completion I suppose, and it's something I wish I could do in at least one of them. I have more than enough currency to purchase all cards on the shop, at least one copy of each that is, I just need to make the few missing ones show up, however the ones missing each have a 10/65,536 chance of showing up there after every duel I win, so it's low. I'm planning on spending the night grinding against Mako Tsunami since I can beat him quite consistently, and I don't have anything much better to do. I would just use the passwords to make the cards show up, but it feels like it wouldn't be a legit 100% if I did that, I don't know.
I've played against Mako Tsunami 50 times since writing this post, so far 2 of the cards I needed have appeared on the card shop, but I'm still missing 5, they all have a 10/65,536 chance to spawn afterall, so even these 2 that did were quite a pleasant surprise, still, I fear this could end up as one of those situations where I play hundreds of times only for 1 card to never show up, I hope it isn't, I'll play some more in the next few hours to see what happens.
>I fear this could end up as one of those situations where I play hundreds of times only for 1 card to never show up, I hope it isn't, I'll play some more in the next few hours to see what happens.
Well, I've played a little more, a lot more actually, and it happened, I'm short of a single card, Toon Alligator, after so many duels in the campaign and grinding, it still hasn't shown up once, of course the drop rates are low, but being short of only this is quite miserable, I'll keep playing and hoping for it to show up.
P.S. I've just heard about Kazuki Takahashi's death, it's quite an odd feeling that as soon as I go back to an old favorite of mine, and I went back to it almost out of nowhere, in hopes of getting a 100% completion of sorts, these news come out and hit me like a truck. I wasn't feeling too motivated to keep playing, especially since I can't stand when I'm at 99,9% and can't get the last thing I need, but I really want to pull this off now, as a way to cherish this franchise and its video games, but most of all the phenomenal and unique artist which brought them to us. RIP. I hope his afterlife has 72 virgin Dark Magician Girls, he's earned it.
It's clear that, cosmically speaking, you killed him, even if you didn't want to. Your actions, thoughts and vibrations put him in a dangerous karma he couldn't advance through. I'd suggest you keep nurturing goos thoughts and making good deeds for at least six months, so balance could be again achieved in your life.
I can't believe I've just killed one of my heroes through cosmic vibrations and karma, bros...
Well, I've managed to do it, never thought I'd get all cards in any Yu-Gi-Oh! video game, because all of them love having extremely low drop rates for dozens of cards, but Sacred Cards might be one of the most forgiving, so it's the one I'd go for if anyone else wants to 100% one of them. I have to say some cards were tough to get, but few overall, most naturally spawned at the shop by the end of the campaign, I had fun. All that's left to say is that I wish Kazuki Takahashi finds peace wherever he is now, he made my childhood, and even my current adult life, happier because of his work.
Nice job anon.
pokemon games. on second thought, none are worth the time.
rivendares fricking deathcharger.
100s and 100s of runs. and then finally getting it after years of casually trying to get the mount.
the ultimate equipment and good stick in mother 3
it's not really necessary but it's not that hard either
i'm considering going for all the 1/128 items in earthbound just once though
Is grinding good game design as a way to keep players engaged and reward them for playing or is it a cheap way to extend game time? I wonder what everyone thinks about grinding as a concept and how it should be executed overall.
Grinding is ideally a way for a player who is struggling with a game to be able to push through challenges that are too hard for them.
It also has the potential to create interesting stories. People wouldn't like Gyarados anywhere near as much as they do if you didn't have to put in the effort levelling up a Magikarp to get one.
Grinding is always fine in a game if it's fundamentally optional. If there's a way for a clever player to overcome all the games challenges without resorting to grinding then it isn't a problem that the game "has grinding in it".
I also find games like Rance VI and Disgaea interesting because while they have grinding, they also have systems that allow you to get extra experience from fights if you approach them in a clever way. So in those games the way to overcome the challenges without grinding is to grind, but in an intelligent, fast way that you have to discover for yourself.
On the other hand, grinding is bad when it's MORE efficient and a better solution than playing the game well and planning ahead. One example is Subarashiki kono Sekai. You get stats in that game not by levelling up, but by the sheer number of encounters you've done, and stats are MASSIVELY important. If you stay in the first section of the game and fight weak enemies for a while you steamroll later parts of the game that can crush a player who's trying their hardest.
In short, I think it really all comes down to execution.
Not exactly /vr/, but I tried getting a Munchlax in Pokemon Diamond. From Bulbapedia (edited):
>There are 21 Honey Trees [...] If the player slathers Honey on a Honey Tree, a wild Pokémon may appear 6 hours later. If a tree is left unchecked for 24 hours, the Honey and any Pokémon will be gone. Changing the system's clock will have no impact on the Honey Tree's timer.
>Four of the 21 trees have a chance to attract Munchlax; which four can do so are selected when the game begins, based on the player's Trainer ID and Secret ID
>The species of Pokémon (or whether one will appear at all) is determined at the time a tree is slathered. Once a tree is slathered, saving the game and resetting will not change the Pokémon that will appear on it.
The probability of getting a Munchlax on one of the four trees is 1%.
There is no shortcut to this method of getting a Munchlax.
FF6. I thought you wouldn't be able to leave the final area once you entered, so I spent about a year grinding in the desert against Cactuar's to make sure every single person had every spell in the game. Marched right through Kefka's Tower with ease, and wasted Kefka in about a minute with a level 70 Edgar smashing him with Genji Glove'd Illuminata and Atma Weapon.
After that, I just started running through RPGs as low level as I could get away with. Beat Culex and the crystals in Super Mario RPG with a level 23 team.
>I spent about a year grinding in the desert against Cactuar's to make sure every single person had every spell in the game
I'm guessing that's hyperbole? Or did you just play a couple of hours a week? Even if most of your characters had no magic whatsoever, it doesn't take THAT long to give everyone every spell. It IS fricking boring, though, so I'm sure it feels like a year. Same with uncursing the Cursed Shield. Of course, it's best to do so while you're grinding for spells to kill two birds with one stone.
>Marched right through Kefka's Tower with ease, and wasted Kefka in about a minute with a level 70 Edgar smashing him with Genji Glove'd Illuminata and Atma Weapon.
Yeah, that's FFVI for you. Love it to death, but it's incredibly easy to break, and Kefka himself is a joke of a final boss. Even at levels in the low 40's it's a total cakewalk so long as you have decent equipment.
>After that, I just started running through RPGs as low level as I could get away with. Beat Culex and the crystals in Super Mario RPG with a level 23 team.
Nice, I actually started doing the same. I think I managed to beat Culex around level 18 or 19, can't remember, just that I immediately head over to fight him as soon as I get the Lazy Shell. I don't know how you'd do it otherwise, though I'm sure people have figured out how to totally break the game at even lower levels.
And to bring it back to FFVI, I recently tried the T-Edition hack, and it was much harder yet also much more satisfying, and I did my best to NOT grind (beyond getting every spell, that is, but the enemies that give tons of MP don't usually give experience, so I didn't level much there). The new super bosses and Kefka himself eventually made me grind at least a bit, though.
I was a kid and I could only play the game when I was out of school for the day, homework was done, and my c**t of a sister didn't want the TV to watch something. It was harder to get TV on the weekends because that's when my parents were usually watching something. It took me about a year of grinding under those conditions. I remember maxing out the in-game time counter because I had been grinding for so long. I would have murdered someone to get my own TV.
>T-Edition
Yeah, that and the Beyond Chaos randomizer are the best. T-Edition is great for a polished FF6+more experience, and the randomizer is great for the Ancient Cave mode.
I don't play any game that requires or rewards grinding.
Did you ever play any RPGs or do you avoid the genre completely because of this?
Well I have in the past. Grinding didn't bother me when I was younger. Nowadays I don't play any. It's not grinding, though, I just don't enjoy RPGs anymore for whatever reason.
The late game dungeons in Dragon Quest 2 are insanely unbalanced and i spent a stupidly long time grinding just to get through them.
>The late game dungeons in Dragon Quest 2 are insanely unbalanced
Enix is on record saying that nothing past the Sea Cave was play-tested.
I remember running through that cave to the final area and grinding at the shrine to be able to finish the game.
>EarthBound all 1/128 equips
>FFIV full Adamant Armors
>DQV most if not all monsters, got Liquid Metal Slime
That's my autistic resume.
Would you guys count getting 100 Super Jumps in Mario RPG?
Because I did that.
Boy does that get fricking scary as you realize you're actually doing it.
I didn't do it on a normal enemy either, I was just playing through the story and I did it on a boss.
Not just any boss though, Boomer.
The samurai guy on the chandelier.
He has an especially long cutscene after you beat him, and THEN you fight Exor after.
And you can't opt out of any of it.
So when I killed Boomer in one turn with Super Jump, I was waiting this horrifically long time to be able to run back to Monstro Town to confirm.
But when I got the confirm, I felt exorcised.
Got both the Attack Scarf and Super Suit.
Never got either one of them before.
And suddenly the game was empty.
There was literally nothing more for me to do.
All I have is this story.
Pic for clarity. The 2nd RNG call is on the top, it returns random value in v0 register. It returned v0=0x79 in this case, so that would drop the 1st item in FF4 (interval 0..0x80) but the 2nd item in Intelude/AY (0x77..0xC6 interval).
Alternatively, modify interval boundaries (also pictured). I suggest 0x66/B3/E6 = 40%/60% distribution for monsters which can drop 2 items, 40%/30%/30% (3 items), 40%/30%/20%/10% (4 items). Again, this will only happen if you pass the 5% roll first.
Like 10 months for a Ceremonial Vestment in EQOA. I was playing while working and off, so about 14 hours a day on weekdays and 18 on weekends.