Iizuka will break his own rules to dethrone Mania at this point I think they'll do whatever they need to to go all out to have a Sonic Team title back as the highest rated Sonic game.
Everyone's been saying Frontiers was good though. We know what the gameplay loop is and if its that the whole way through then it only begs the question if it'll top Mania or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My only worry at this point is potential asset reuse and a few of the in-engine cutscene animations looking a little stiff. Everything else looks fantastic at this point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My worry is the combat. I wanted something like dmc or bayonetta. Seems more like new genesis.
2 years ago
Anonymous
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My worries as well. I just want this game to stick the landing bros.
People I've talked to about it said it's nothing like new Genesis. Think more of if Bayonetta and KH2 Sora fricked and Frontiers Sonic was the result.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>new genesis.
hell no it doesn't
2 years ago
Anonymous
My worry is the combat. I wanted something like dmc or bayonetta. Seems more like new genesis.
My worries as well. I just want this game to stick the landing bros.
2 years ago
Anonymous
honestly I like the direction of Sonic’s gameplay. It’s what I wanted for the boost game, to change up their formula just enough to give it a fresh identity, not scrapping it and doing something new like Lost World.
I won’t say open world is good or not but the gameplay is a step in the right direction and I’m liking what I see.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Everything else looks fantastic at this point
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH
2 years ago
Anonymous
why do you trust people on the internet to know a good sonic game
There's something to that, they sort of rebooted the Chaos emeralds with the movie continuity, and the newest release Origins reestablished the Super Emeralds as a thing. And people genuinely thought Shadow skipped super straight to hyper back when SA2 came out because he turns white
its because Sonic inverts his colors when he goes super, his blue turns yellow and his green eyes turn red.
so Shadow does the same.
the comics got it right for Knuckles, he turns emerald Green for his super form, and scourge, the evil dimension version of SOnic who become Green, inverts to purple.
Thing is that doesn't work. With Sonic, inverting his colors works well to establish what's going on, but inverting anyone else's colors, especially Knuckles, would look bad. You have to prioritize aesthetics and function for this sort of thing, hence why instead of turning green, Knuckles just glows and his red coloring turns lighter.
Also, frankly, it was probably much more convenient. It's way easier to up the saturation on Knuckles and having him glow than to make a new sprite sheet for him. Unlike Super Sonic, Super Knuckles probably took 25 seconds to make.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Knuckles super form is non-canon in the games.
in Archie comics it looks fine when he goes Green.
Chaos Knuckles is a much stronger being than "Super Sonic" is, and isn't even temporary, but for one caveat, Super Sonic truly is utterly invincible, whereas Chaos Knuckles is a more of a reality warping being, Sonic, in Archie, is the sole character capable of acheiving invincibility, even Shadow's form is still mortal, just far tougher.
nothing in canon can hurt Super Sonic, but he doesn't have infinite outward strength.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, that looks like trash. You just have poor standards.
>iizuka says super emeralds are in another dimension >one of the first cutscenes of frontiers is ai girl going "tear down the walls between dimensions"
If they did, it would create a DBZ-esque precedent where every new game is gonna need to have Sonic acquire some new bullshit super form to defeat the enemy
It would ruin Sonic as a franchise and turn it into DBZ Furry edition
>It would ruin Sonic as a franchise and turn it into DBZ Furry edition
That would still be better than having shitty boring plots like in colors, lost world and forces. I hope they end up going this route eventually to make morons like you seethe
>If they did, it would create a DBZ-esque precedent where every new game is gonna need to have Sonic acquire some new bullshit super form to defeat the enemy
No it fricking wouldn't. You can't say this kind of shit when we just went through a decade of low stake Pontaff quips. This franchise right now is at a point where we can default back to that at any failure.
>If they did, it would create a DBZ-esque precedent where every new game is gonna need to have Sonic acquire some new bullshit super form to defeat the enemy
No it fricking wouldn't. You can't say this kind of shit when we just went through a decade of low stake Pontaff quips. This franchise right now is at a point where we can default back to that at any failure.
I've been waiting for a game where super sonic is integrated into the general design and flow of the game instead of being a minigame or a cheat code.
Was hoping it would be with Sonic Forces since Sonic Mania was the one time Super Sonic could actually be hurt by phantom ruby. My dumb head canon forming brain thought this was going to be foreshadowing to how strong Infinite would be. I was hoping Infinite would be a constant threat and could drain energy or something like that.
Alas, he gets run over by DOUBLE BOOST and we never see him again.
He's a What If lore thing he could exist if Sonic had actually known to give up his emeralds to the Master Emerald alter. I don't think Knuckles knew about it either though
In Sonic 3 and Knuckles, if you finish the Sonic 3 half of the game with all the chaos emeralds, you unlock the ability to gather super emeralds.
Once the super emeralds are gathered, you can turn to hyper sonic.
From a narrative standpoint, it hasn't been brought back. Probably because Super Sonic is already invincible, so to make Hyper Sonic relevant, they'd have to weaken Super Sonic. Iizuka says Hyper is non canon as well but it seems like they're making continuity changes with Frontiers so who knows
Isn't Hyper Sonic only available on Angel Island? Each game requires obtaining the Chaos Emeralds but you can't transform into Hyper Sonic with the Chaos Emeralds. You need to place the emeralds on the altars in Angel Island to turn them into the Super Emeralds. What do you want them to do, have seven additional Special Stages to power the Chaos Emeralds up even further for a superfluous second upgrade?
For a short while, they actually did that. Granted it was through stuff like "Darkspine" or "Knight Sonic", but super did have some variations back then.
But if you want pure super upgrades, Hyper is about as close as you'll get to a ssj -> god/blue equivalent.
because they are fundamentally different things
super saiyan multiplies your strength
super sonic makes you invincible
how do you even make a more powerful super sonic? by making you even faster? good luck fitting that into your game
hyper sonic looks cool but it's just kinda silly in the end
Hyper Sonic made sense when the only instant boost sonic had was the spindash or the fire shield, in a world with boost shit and drop dash that is pretty pointless unless they wanna change the formula and add action game shit like infinite chaos control or something like that
Super Sonic being invincible is only a gameplay mechanic when it appears as a powerup in normal levels. You can still die to pits and crushing anyway. Super Sonic endgame fights still show him capable of taking damage by losing ring energy from hits.
Yes, then Iizuka said form creep is stupid so Adventure solidified the rules about the Chaos Emeralds so Super Emeralds/Hyper Sonic went bye bye alongside the implication that each island had its own Emerald's.
Not him but I remember hearing that the Japanese Manual stated that Angel Island had its own set of emeralds that disappeared right around the time the Death Egg crashed into the island
Short answer:Iizuka fired Naka because he didn't want him to get SEGA sued by Toei for copyright infringement
Long answer: they didn't want to handle the power creep that ruined DBZ in the first place
>Sonic needs his super form to beat Perfect Chaos before >In Generations, he's able to do it in his base
This series does have powercreep, just because Sonic doesn't go Super Sonic 1000 doesn't mean it doesn't
Sonic Team was getting butthurt about the DBZ comparisons for some reason, so they decided to stop doing them
It's why Shadow went from Sonic's rival to being irrelevant and only bought back for the everyday "haha edgy hedgehog we were in a phase isnt shadow dumb" joke
This will hopefully be the first time where Super Sonic is actually cool to play as because before he's just normal Sonic but flying which is wack as frick. I wanna see this dude shooting blasts out of his hands, teleporting, and throwing spirit bombs and leaving after images from beating ass so fast. MAKE SUPER SONIC COOL FOR ONCE PLEASE
Where’s the gameplay though
Everybody knows what Super Sonic is, you can’t just post a fake out to hype your product like it’s some revolutionary feature
You forgot Chronicles and Sonic 1 GBA. Those are the only exceptions though.
Sonic 4 Ep 1 as well, but the melodies themselves are quite good, Jun's instrumentation just sucks.
the Sega Sound team is extremely versatile
they just never get the chance to flex their chops anymore like they did in the last 90s
You forgot Chronicles and Sonic 1 GBA. Those are the only exceptions though.
Sonic 4 Ep 1 as well, but the melodies themselves are quite good, Jun's instrumentation just sucks.
>Chronicles
not made by sega nor was it composed by any of the sound team
poor bastards at bioware had to slap together midis to save the cursed production >Sonic 4 Ep 1
with some proper sound engineering it would've sounded good
that's how it worked for the classics with Masato Nakamura
The 3DS fight was just better overall. Eggy had a lot more moves and that thing he does where his robot powers up and you can actually see it's power level go up is really cool.
No i believe i have the right thread
Sonic Frontiers has convinced me it will be better than Forces and Lost World and sometimes that’s all i need after a decade of shit
It unironically is going to do generations better than generations itself did
Easy 3rd place in a best 3d sonic list, maybe 2nd depending on how autistic the story is
yeah that’s a big problem I have with cyberspace. They’re taking Boost levels and putting them in a game where Sonic doesn’t go as fast.
It’s odd and I wonder why they didn’t just have Sonic move on rails or something for these levels, like Mach Speed in 06
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's apparently a leveling system to upgrade your speed in the game and some settings to make you slow/faster in the game's menu
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the settings are pretty interesting, there's a setting for how much are you launched in the air after running up a ramp, it's something i noticed in the earlier IGN footages that Sonic was really glued to the ground yet in the gamescon footages you can see Sonic being launched from uneven terrain, probably that one setting in action, but from the settings there's nothing related to your jump, gotta search some footage to see if that's only a cyberspace thing but it really feels Forces like
2 years ago
Anonymous
I fricking love that too. This game seems to have the most customizable Sonic controls we’ve ever had and that’s something that can benefit everybody.
Want a top speed Unleashed Sonic? Go ahead. Want something slower and more Adventure like? Knock yourself out.
Whoever thought of that deserves praise
2 years ago
Anonymous
But the level design needs to accommodate one or the other. Games need coherence.
The very definition of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the settings are pretty interesting, there's a setting for how much are you launched in the air after running up a ramp, it's something i noticed in the earlier IGN footages that Sonic was really glued to the ground yet in the gamescon footages you can see Sonic being launched from uneven terrain, probably that one setting in action, but from the settings there's nothing related to your jump, gotta search some footage to see if that's only a cyberspace thing but it really feels Forces like
here’s the settings
But the level design needs to accommodate one or the other. Games need coherence.
The very definition of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one
i agree, I wonder how Sonic Team will handle the level design in later levels to accommodate the different controls. That’s something I’m a little worried about but hopefully that’s another reason they’ve been taking their time with this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Restric movement during monologue
That shit is going OFF
2 years ago
Anonymous
>notifications
huh? for what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Button prompts probably, in the footage you can see a big Y marked in a enemy to attack it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tutorials most likely
2 years ago
Anonymous
This only affects the Open Zone areas, not Cyber space. It's forces tier in those levels
I don't think any of these lyrics are going to correspond with the story at all. It's just a feeling. But I really wish they'd do something interesting with the preestablished characters.
I thought I was being high quality rip pranked until I saw this post
>Going to fly, I'm going into the light >Can you hear me ?
Interesting lyrics
I'm actually still not sure, I dont heard Sky Sanctuary in that at all
Anyway looks surprisingly good. Might be up there with Generations. Actually, without shitty filler classic sonic stages, it will probably surpass Generations.
>suddenly
?????
Everyone has always agreed the Daytime stages in Unleashed, and Colors and Generations were great and a fun formula for Sonic
What kinda echo chamber have you been in cause it sure wasn’t here
>boostshit
the boost is nerfed in this game what the frick are you talking about
it's a glorified dash/run button
sonic isn't a battering ram anymore, you actually need to put effort into killing enemies
>Waaaah why do I always have to stop in my tracks to fight enemies? >Noooo you can't just skip combat with the press of a button!
You people really don't know what you want huh?
Sonic's boost speed has seemingly been nerfed dramatically in Frontiers. Instead of outright boosting through enemies like a moron, this is seemingly more platform based gameplay.
Not once do we see the boost ability be abused in these leaks.
I wonder if there are going to be other minigames
Just makes me wonder why didn't Iizuka just threw in Chao Garden on the mix
Or maybe he's just trolling us and we are actually getting a "Koko Garden"
Chao Garden is more involved than it appears, I feel like they wouldn't wanna spread themselves too thin for this outing. The original A-LIFE programmer also left long ago, although I don't see it as such a big issue.
it’s a shame cause Chao Garden could’ve really worked well for this open world design
You explore the world looking for hidden animals and special items to use in the Garden, would’ve fit tbh
Will be be incorporated in the fricking story this time around or just as a side mode? I miss when the final boss was fought with Super Sonic and you had to work to get him.
It was impossible to get him in Advance, and I still would like to see something that hard in these games.
Well you see Sonic defeating a colossus and taking an emerald that is powering it, so it's reasonable to assume he has to defeat 8 colossi to get access to Super Sonic. Who knows, maybe Sage will have some kind of ability to not give a frick about the super state.
Titans only. Gameplay loop is >Do shit in overworld, get orb >Use orb to unlock cyber space >Use cyberspace to unlock chaos emerald >Use emeralds to fight boss >Repeat gameplay loop
>Will be be incorporated in the fricking story this time around or just as a side mode
no, the entire game revolves around collecting the 7 chaos emeralds
the loop goes >kill bosses or fish with big or complete cyberspace missions to get keys to open chaos emerald vault >open vaults, get chaos emerald >do 7 times >fight final titan >chaos emeralds scatter after you defeat the titan >collect them on the next island
>unite the comic and game universes
I hope it means they drop the stupid mandates like Shadow can only ever be mad and have zero character development ever.
Frontiers will probably just be ok, open world checklist games are always fun on some level and i think frontiers will probably just be like that as well. I know the cyberspace levels arent good
>Freedom Planet 1, 2 will beat the shit out of Frontiers
LMAO
I hope someone is compiling all these copeposts for the inevitable letdown and immediate backpedaling in November
i'm compiling all of the anti-frontiers schizoposts when the game comes out and is, surprise-surprise, actually good
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Anyone who actually criticized Forces before released was blasted as a Sonic hater who wanted the game to fail, links related. Similar cases have been occurring with Frontiers,
>Anyone who actually criticized Forces
wow that's crazy, the people who played Forces' demo didn't like it and it ended up bad?
Pre-release impressions actually matter now? Guess that confirms that the Frontiers is going to be a GOTY nominee because all of the impressions from people who played the Frontiers demo are positive (see:
>getting legit scared that that schizo leak is real
lol ian already deconfirmed it see picrel
[...] >he becomes even more Super than ever before?
power creep
same reason why no one else has gone super since 06
[...] >why was the public demo hated by literally everyone who played it?
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uh oh found the schizo
I think it's funny how none of these people are allowed to say anything, besides >THE GAME IS GOOD TRUST ME
You'd think if the game was really that good, Sega would be willing to advertise it beyond just word of mouth. >surprise-surprise, actually good
Good games don't recycle content chap.
Reusing assets is different from literally reskinning an old level and pretending it's new. Not literally every game does this, sorry your standards are this low.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pretending it's new
When do they do this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
When they reskinned Windmill Isle as green hill zone. If it was meant as a callback, they would have just designed it as Windmill Isle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Frontiers does have completely original levels if that helps, go to 2:25
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats actually pretty sick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats actually radical highway/city escape assets but yeah that level seems alright
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not yet sold on this game, but I gotta say, it looks better the more they show of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That city level looks pretty neat. The alternate paths actually seem really good in this one
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just realized the red ring sound is taken from Sonic R. Neat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wish there was more fluid combat instead of the cutscene moves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You think this looks like an engaging open world Sonic? It has all the traps of modern boost design stuck in an open world format. The stiff movement and he embarrassingly low speed caps does the character no justice whatsoever. The added combat element just adds clunky special moves to wail on HP sponge enemies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We already have confirmation from people that played the demo at gamescom that movement is very free in this game and speed can be upgraded up to lv 50. If you don't know what you're talking about just ignore the thread.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are Sonicgays' standards so low that they think this looks like amazing gameplay? Jesus fricking Christ I have zero empathy left for you morons if you think this looks good. The city part looks okay I guess and even then it's barren as frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person they're based on his memories. We also have only seen like 3 of them, so maybe calm your breasts before saying anything
>BotW2 reuses an entire overworld map but now with floating platforms >OMG GOTY BASED BASED BASED >Sonic reuses assets for entirely optional content >WWWWWOWWWWWWWWW BLUNDER OF THE DECADE LOL!
There are more good sanic games than bad ones > s1
Good >S2 s3 s3k
Fantastic >cd
Great >adv1
Great >adv2
Fantastic >-heroes
Great >shadow
Broken - had good ideas- needed more dev time >-06
Same as shadow > rings
Bad >black knigh
Great >unleashed
Good >-colors
Good >generations
Fantastic >Lost world
Meh >boom
Shit >forces
Meh >Sonic 4 EP1
Shit >sonic 4 ep2
Meh >all gba games
Great >qll ds game
Great >3ds games
Great >mania
Perfection
mostly accurate except for sonic CD, that game sucks. It was such a meme online for decades, I remember everyone claiming it was the best 2D game ever made and nobody could argue it because nobody had played the fricking thing. When I finally did I was massively disappointed, it's a terrible game.
One of the best tier lists I've seen here, good taste.
That said, while I am not sure I'd put Shadow that high, it for sure is better than fricking Sonic Heroes and I am tired of pretending it's not.
This game looks so bad. Like, jesus christ, this game looks soooo baaaaad.
I see everyone on youtube turning around since the inital reveal, saying how the game's reputation took an upturn and shit.
I just don't fricking see it.
And this is the not the raging pessimistic Gankerirgin in me talking.
Every single frame of gameplay footage we've seen up till now has convinced me that this is not going to end well. Sonic Team has proven time and time again to be bad at what they do, and I don't understand why even seasoned Sonic fans still have hope for that godforsaken studio.
I'm not even a big fan of Sonic but I can't deny there's something very cool about his super Sonic transformation,
Maybe it's the minimalist design or the fact he's known for speed achieving a form that goes even faster, I don't know, but it's pretty cool.
>all it took was a few seconds of Super Sonic for Sonicgays to get hyped about Frontiers
No wonder the games are trash. You morons have such low standards that Sonic Team has no reason to try
>Best representation Metal can ever get now is in Mania Adventures or the fricking IDW Comic with Pick-me-girl the Tenrec
It's fricking bullshit and the fact they never got to expand more on Metal after Heroes - straight up just going 'lol okay bye' will never cease to piss me off. Metal is so fricking cool. He's fricking so insanely schizophrenic after years of getting his fricking ass whooped, has a defined personality, has all this cool shit, but like Shadow they just keep fricking fumbling it. At least their grip on Metal isn't as autistic as the one on Shadow, but still. Frick you.
the fact that Metal pulled this grand plot because he went insane is fricking awesome and it sucks that he just became the “lol we need a race villain” guy after this.
Shadow fills the role of rival yeah but thay doesn’t mean we can’t have Metal popping up trying to assert his dominance as the real Sonic. It would be more interesting if Metal really thought he WAS the real Sonic and just got roboticized and our Sonic is a fake planted by Eggman or something. It would fit the schizo shit
If they really wanted to double down on the absolutely insane schizoleak if it was real, then yeah, that'd be fricking cool as shit. They're both fakes, but one claims to be the real one. That'd be a great point. I fricking hate how they've flanderized the dog shit out of Shadow, though. Shadow doesn't even need to be a fricking rival. Him being a sort of antihero foil to Sonic is fine. The fact that they're still so quick to try and make them fight shows that they don't *want* Shadow to have any fricking growth as a character. As dogshit as Shadow the Hedgehog played, the Shadow at the end of it all was still a better, more complete and nuanced character than whatever the frick he is now, and it's insulting that they keep hitting the 'UNDO' button on any development he gets.
Metal is pointless. There's nothing to him but thinking he is the real sonic despite acting nothing like sonic and being nothing like sonic and it not making any sense because is just a single-minded generic evil robot. No clue why people like him, also he is redundant with Shadow around. He's basically a motobug that looks like Sonic.
I think Metal still has place, but not in this way as he's currently portrayed.
Shadow is essentially Vegeta and due to SEGA's heavy autism he's pretty much avoided to be used, just like IDW did. People like him due to his design, not because of the character itself.
>He's fricking so insanely schizophrenic after years of getting his fricking ass whooped, has a defined personality
In ONE (1) game. Metal was never interesting before and would've only been dragged down even more if they kept rehashing Heroes like IDW did
I know everybody, even Ian, associates this song with Metal because you fight him with it playing, but if you actually paid attention to the lyrics, you'd realize it's entirely from Super Sonic's perspective and he's the one singing it.
This is Super Sonic's vocal theme song literally telling Metal that stealing his powers and energy isn't enough and to clench his (metaphorical) bring it on cause he's gonna kick his ass. This is basically Sonic's theme for going all the frick out and I love it for that.
I agree. It can be attributed to Metal but it also fits extremely better for Sonic saying “you underestimated me, I can’t be contained through data and copying”
speaking of which, I wonder if Shadow is in this? If Big is then probably him too. Unless they’re keeping it strictly to the SA1 group which they seem to be (Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Big, Eggman)
Part of the Sonic cycle is that initial impressions are good but the initial enthusiasm is slowly eroded away as more footage is shown. This is like an inverse where initial impressions were fricking terrible but its looked better as more footage is shown. It could still suck I'm I'm still skeptical but it doesn't exactly fit.
I’ll reply to your bait so the others don’t have to.
This game looked like shit on release but as more people have played it they said it’s actually pretty decent and they enjoy it. Then we’ve been shown more interesting things and now people are cautiously optimistic about Frontiers.
Now leave
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they said it’s actually pretty decent and they enjoy it
Literally where did fricking ANYBODY say that?
2 years ago
Anonymous
everyone who has played the game look at videos posted on twitter, youtube, discussions from people who went to gamescon,
people like this game and that you can’t accept that is very sad schizo
2 years ago
Anonymous
How do you post on Ganker from your jailcell, Chris?
2 years ago
Anonymous
My Sonicgay coworker was at Gamescom and said he was plesantly surprised and the game turned out much better than he anticipated, especially the controls/handling. All anecdotal, of course.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sonicgay
Opinion discarded.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then who's opinion matters? Someone that doesn't give a frick about Sonic and treats it like any other game they pick up and drop within 1-2 weeks?
>why don't paid reviews count? why don't cherrypicked reviews count? why did my dad leave? whos this mommy brought over? why am I getting stomped on at the bottom of a car? why won't statues talk to me?
It's shit, face it Sonicgay. I'm sure you'll husk it in november
People were really harsh on Forces when it had demos going, if I remember right
They would comment on the awful turning, the weird acceleration, the enemies that do literally nothing, the hallways and lack of exploration
But clearly Frontiers is just Forces all over again
Forces was extremely shat on specially when Mania made 30 years old game design seem more fresh than the blocky shit Sonic Team put out which also felt like a downgrade from Generations too
People were really harsh on Forces when it had demos going, if I remember right
They would comment on the awful turning, the weird acceleration, the enemies that do literally nothing, the hallways and lack of exploration
But clearly Frontiers is just Forces all over again
Forces was extremely shat on specially when Mania made 30 years old game design seem more fresh than the blocky shit Sonic Team put out which also felt like a downgrade from Generations too
Anyone who actually criticized Forces before released was blasted as a Sonic hater who wanted the game to fail, links related. Similar cases have been occurring with Frontiers,
I hate this specific one because for the most part he just goes "Its bad because if you gave me a list i'd just check everything" and it hardly felt like he elaborated on it.
One can assume you don't have taste at all because you >Immediately discredit triple a titles (judging books by their covers)
and >immediately insults me after i had a simple request
But I can be wrong, tell me what you play that makes you have good taste.
It's even more hilarious that people sort of just refuse to believe that it's true
I swear it seems like in the 16 years since 06 released, irony poisoned brainlets are physically incapable of comprehending that Sonic games can be good
and whatever twittergay speculation or cycle meme they come up with is superstitious bullshit
The initial reveals were of an old build(not copium, this has been confirmed) and just had someone wandering around aimlessly, people thought that's all the game would be. Then they started showing us are far more lush overworld, all these trippy stages, and weird-ass KH2 combat, and fighting giant monsters. People realized there actually was more to the game, and they so far like what they've seen. Simple as
>The initial reveals were of an old build(not copium, this has been confirmed)
i really don't know why people jumped to the conclusion that the IGN first footage was the final game
that was one of the biggest moments of collective stupidity from the internet
the original leaked release date was december, why did people pretend that they were gonna sit on their thumbs for 6 months?
>irony poisoned brainlets are physically incapable of comprehending that Sonic games can be good
But everyone fricking praised Mania you fricking moron
why are people looking forward to frontiers again after shitting on it originally? The new trailers look just as underwhelming as the original ones. The only worlds we saw were bland forest and bland desert
Literally false. Only the IGN gameplay reveals got bombarded with dislikes and hate. Everything during and after the summer game fest has been praised.
The initial reveals were of an old build(not copium, this has been confirmed) and just had someone wandering around aimlessly, people thought that's all the game would be. Then they started showing us are far more lush overworld, all these trippy stages, and weird-ass KH2 combat, and fighting giant monsters. People realized there actually was more to the game, and they so far like what they've seen. Simple as
Literally false. Only the IGN gameplay reveals got bombarded with dislikes and hate. Everything during and after the summer game fest has been praised.
The combat really is what turned it around for me, especially the bosses
Sonic's speed is like a perfect fit for dashing around huge, towering enemies and chipping away at them, and that's exactly what they're doing, I think it looks cool
There are more good sanic games than bad ones > s1
Good >S2 s3 s3k
Fantastic >cd
Great >adv1
Great >adv2
Fantastic >-heroes
Great >shadow
Broken - had good ideas- needed more dev time >-06
Same as shadow > rings
Bad >black knigh
Great >unleashed
Good >-colors
Good >generations
Fantastic >Lost world
Meh >boom
Shit >forces
Meh >Sonic 4 EP1
Shit >sonic 4 ep2
Meh >all gba games
Great >qll ds game
Great >3ds games
Great >mania
Perfection
What's with all the Unleashed love I'm seeing here?
Half of Unleashed is the best the Boost formula ever put out, the other half is an undercooked beat 'em up that could stand to at least be two or three times faster from a mobility standpoint.
I don’t care for Sonic 2 and Adventure 1 is my favorite 3D Sonic game
No idea why I never played Black Knight, 2009 was the height of Sonic Mania for me weird how it went under my radar
speaking of Scourge is one of the few archie characters they should bring to the games, he's an absolute bastard with zero redeeming qualities and we need more villains, and he is also "good enough" to tussle with Sonic.
No. Generally, mirror matches are always bad in Sonic games, usually among the worst bosses in the games they're in. This is why Sonic doesn't really fight enemies with similar abilities to his own anymore, and why Metal Sonic is always given huge upgrades whenever he appears as a boss.
he's certainly super fast but he's more of a street brawler type of guy in a fight.
he's from a universe where everyone's positive traits are their negatives, not quite "opposite" but more "inverted".
Shadow would be a more "opposite" but still good, as he's very different from Sonic, Scourge is if all of Sonic's traits where simply tuned to evil, he's also somehow, even dumber than Sonic.
Brawling is pointless. Think about Sonic's gameplay, you really think that a boss with Sonic's size and proportions is gonna pose a threat with punches and kicks? Why do you think the majority of Sonic's enemies are significantly larger than he is?
Sonic vs Shadow isn't that good. It's actually kinda boring. It's sort of this half-assed race that ends with you running into pink rocks because there's no other means of harming Shadow as their Boosts cancel each other out.
I've gained a distaste for Super Sonic over the years. I think it's become too much of a crutch. Whenever things get beyond Sonic's ability, the magical emeralds show up and he becomes invincible, allowing him to solve the problem. They're always there when he needs them, and he always needs them.
I've gained a distaste for the Master Sword over the years. I think it's become too much of a crutch. Whenever things get beyond Link's ability, the magical darkness defeating blade shows up and he becomes invincible, allowing him to solve the problem. It's always there when he needs it, and he always needs it.
Master Sword doesn't turn Link invincible and it's often not the ultimate solution to any and all problems. If Super Sonic were used more like the Master Sword, I'd have less complaints about it. The Master Sword is just a minor upgrade, but the true ultimate weapon is usually something else like the Biggoron Sword or the Light Arrows.
You say that but even in lore, the Master Sword is only the ultimate solution half the time. Hell, the Master Sword is completely superfluous in the recent Breath of the Wild. Link defeats Ganon by shooting an arrow at its face and Zelda deus ex machinas the rest.
You know really the Light arrows are far worse for this than the master sword is, those things are required later on and melt everything in the N64 games
It's my headcanon that Calamity Ganon isn't the real Ganon and instead just a very powerful swarm of Malice that likened itself to Ganon. That's why the Master Sword wasn't needed.
In every other (3D) game, the final blow is always dealt with the Master Sword.
2 years ago
Anonymous
clearly this is the case because Ganon's Corpse is a focal point of the sequel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gotta be, my theory is that the Malic was leaking from Ganon's corpse, trying to form it self a new body in BotW. Link shot that plan in the foot so now the Malice is going back to the body.
Sonic isn't 100% invincible during Super, he just gets flight and a big power up
He can either run out of rings or get damaged by something that's strong enough (dark gaia laser), so my bet is that there will be more types of that in Frontiers
the Comics did it better, he rarely ever gets to go Super, almost all of his wins come from him and his friends pulling off some sort of combo plan, in fact, up till the Archie Comic ended, he went super like 10 times total, in like 18 years of publication.
Sonic gameplay doesn't usually allow for "combo plans". The ultimate goal is always "Run really fast across the stage and hit the boss eight times". Stop bringing up the comics, its ideas are fundamentally non-applicable to the games.
>Stop bringing up the comics, its ideas are fundamentally non-applicable to the games.
Nta, but that's less that it can't and more that japs and their worshippers don't want that.
oh because the games current direction and styles certainly has done SO FRICKING WELL for the Sonic Franchise eh?
maybe a fricking trip back to the drawing board is in order.
Consider what the basic Sonic gameplay style is. They're action platformers. There is no space for co-op or tactics in Sonic. What you guys want is more in line with a JRPG or a strategy game, but that's more spin-off territory.
there's a million games you could make out of the Sonic Franchise that aren't just "Go Fast down a lane" and "JRPG"
Sonic has a pretty fricking bad problem, they keep making games rather similar to each other out of pure fricking repetition, "that's what a Sonic Game is!" they say.
Most of the games are spent working towards either obtaining the emeralds or stopping Eggman from doing whatever he's gonna do with them.
Eggman was feeding them to Chaos in SA.
Eggman needed the emeralds to power the cannon in SA2.
Sonic's friends split up in the finale to find the emeralds in 06.
Sonic had all the emeralds in Unleashed, but had to revitalize their power.
Sonic goes around collecting the emeralds in the white world and needs them to even enter the final boss in Generations.
They only magically show up in Heroes.
To be fair, if homing attack to win has been what worked for you for eons and you suddenly fight something that no-sells it like it's nothing, you'd be shocked and stunned as well.
The game also begins with sonic, tails, and Amy on the tornado looking for the chaos emeralds after noticing they've disappeared. It's clearly an intentional thing.
So, assuming there's 7 Cyber Space stages per island at least and 5 total islands, there's easily 35+ stages total. And assuming that they use Generations console/3DS edition to fill up part of that, there's about 13 or 14 stages filled so far. And also assuming the devs aren't lazy as frick and every stage is unique/based off of a past Sonic stage/zone, that leaves about 21 to 22 potential stages at least of other past levels in Sonic games that could happen if there are Lost World or Colors-length stages.
If so, what past zones/stages would you love to see show up in Cyber Space and with their own kino new music too?
I’m Sulfur, Sulfur Collins the Hedgehog. I was mutated by Dr Nega Eggman into a half monkey, half hedgehog, and 23% human male with a giant fricking wiener but it’s invisible unless I say so.
My specialities are climbing with my magnetic glove tips, swinging with my tail, and gliding across the surface thanks to the friction of my boots.
My sworn destiny is to gather the chaos emeralds to fuse this world with my own in order to save mine from extinction. Oh by the way I’m from another galaxy and came here in search of help before Nega Eggman kidnapped me. I distrust ALL animals except foxes, crocodiles, and dicky bunnies.
>Super Sonic is no longer for the Final Boss only
So...
Will Izuka allow Hyper Sonic be back or will Super Sonic be fused with that weird red glitchy thing that gives him a new Super form?
No, I mean Hyper Tails. Origins has it so that Super Tails is just Tails with the golden glow, but being boosted by the Super Emeralds gives him a Hyper form which is the one that has the flickies now.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Hyper_Tails
Knuckles also has a Hyper form, which gives him afterimages in addition to the glow.
It really comes down to whether or not it's mandated to be Classic-only. If it isn't, then it's definitely on the table for future media, but I highly suspect that it is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess we'll just have to wait until November
2 years ago
Anonymous
The 2 month wait is fricking painful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Isn't it it like 5-6 weeks?
Doesn't game release on 7th of November?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The 8th actually, even then it's only 3 weeks and 2 days.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually even shorter if the game leaks early (depending on how well the Switch emulates it)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nevermind, I somehow mixed up October and November, it does release on the 8th though.
holy shit its pikachu
It's Clefairy!
FUUUUUCK
>Sobichu
Oh frick its sonichu.
This confirms at least one of those leaks was real, either cyber sonic or the one ages ago with the tree boss
I had read something like Sonic turns Super on every island, not just at the end of the game. So that's something.
what if the final boss has him turning into hyper sonic woah
Iizuka almost skinned the MRANIA TEAM alive for wanting to add hyper sonic, no way they would have it in this game
Iizuka will break his own rules to dethrone Mania at this point I think they'll do whatever they need to to go all out to have a Sonic Team title back as the highest rated Sonic game.
I hope so, having a good sonic game for once would be wonderful.
Except make a good game
Everyone's been saying Frontiers was good though. We know what the gameplay loop is and if its that the whole way through then it only begs the question if it'll top Mania or not.
My only worry at this point is potential asset reuse and a few of the in-engine cutscene animations looking a little stiff. Everything else looks fantastic at this point.
My worry is the combat. I wanted something like dmc or bayonetta. Seems more like new genesis.
People I've talked to about it said it's nothing like new Genesis. Think more of if Bayonetta and KH2 Sora fricked and Frontiers Sonic was the result.
>new genesis.
hell no it doesn't
My worries as well. I just want this game to stick the landing bros.
honestly I like the direction of Sonic’s gameplay. It’s what I wanted for the boost game, to change up their formula just enough to give it a fresh identity, not scrapping it and doing something new like Lost World.
I won’t say open world is good or not but the gameplay is a step in the right direction and I’m liking what I see.
>Everything else looks fantastic at this point
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH
why do you trust people on the internet to know a good sonic game
I don't think he could even if he tried
I will literally soiface irl if they bring Hyper Sonic back. It would redeem the decade of mediocrity that the series has been in.
There's something to that, they sort of rebooted the Chaos emeralds with the movie continuity, and the newest release Origins reestablished the Super Emeralds as a thing. And people genuinely thought Shadow skipped super straight to hyper back when SA2 came out because he turns white
I thought he was specifically called hyper shadow
If I remember right that was just a strategy guide misprint for battle
Nah, mistranslation in a strategy guide that too many people refused to disregard. Super Shadow has ALWAYS been Super Shadow.
Man i miss all the "Hyper Shadow doesn't exist" meme back in the day
its because Sonic inverts his colors when he goes super, his blue turns yellow and his green eyes turn red.
so Shadow does the same.
the comics got it right for Knuckles, he turns emerald Green for his super form, and scourge, the evil dimension version of SOnic who become Green, inverts to purple.
Shadow keeps one of his stripes red.
yea the stripes are his connection the space devil guy.
it'd have been smarter for the team to invert the red stripes to green, but w/e, makes sense that his "demon" part of him doesn't go super.
That or it's because it would look like shit.
You care more about "symbolism" than aesthetics. You don't seem to care how ugly your ideas would look.
White and Green would look absolutely fine.
No.
Thing is that doesn't work. With Sonic, inverting his colors works well to establish what's going on, but inverting anyone else's colors, especially Knuckles, would look bad. You have to prioritize aesthetics and function for this sort of thing, hence why instead of turning green, Knuckles just glows and his red coloring turns lighter.
Also, frankly, it was probably much more convenient. It's way easier to up the saturation on Knuckles and having him glow than to make a new sprite sheet for him. Unlike Super Sonic, Super Knuckles probably took 25 seconds to make.
Knuckles super form is non-canon in the games.
in Archie comics it looks fine when he goes Green.
Chaos Knuckles is a much stronger being than "Super Sonic" is, and isn't even temporary, but for one caveat, Super Sonic truly is utterly invincible, whereas Chaos Knuckles is a more of a reality warping being, Sonic, in Archie, is the sole character capable of acheiving invincibility, even Shadow's form is still mortal, just far tougher.
nothing in canon can hurt Super Sonic, but he doesn't have infinite outward strength.
No, that looks like trash. You just have poor standards.
>iizuka says super emeralds are in another dimension
>one of the first cutscenes of frontiers is ai girl going "tear down the walls between dimensions"
Sorry, Sega mandate says that they're never allowed to bring hyper sonic back. No, I won't elaborate.
If they did, it would create a DBZ-esque precedent where every new game is gonna need to have Sonic acquire some new bullshit super form to defeat the enemy
It would ruin Sonic as a franchise and turn it into DBZ Furry edition
>It would ruin Sonic as a franchise and turn it into DBZ Furry edition
That would still be better than having shitty boring plots like in colors, lost world and forces. I hope they end up going this route eventually to make morons like you seethe
This.
>If they did, it would create a DBZ-esque precedent where every new game is gonna need to have Sonic acquire some new bullshit super form to defeat the enemy
No it fricking wouldn't. You can't say this kind of shit when we just went through a decade of low stake Pontaff quips. This franchise right now is at a point where we can default back to that at any failure.
Once it starts copying DBZ more, thats when Sonic will finally heal.
So when is Shadow doing the Bejita pose?
>First thing Shadow does after waking after a 50 year coma is kneel
?t=29
Holy....
So Hyper isn't allowed but Sonic's other powered up forms like Darkspines are allowed? Great logic.
Hyper is a upgrade, others are sidegrades at best and basically just exist as weaker Super's where the Chaos Emerald's aren't available.
You would then have the alphabet swarming in.
>after every open zone you beat you can play as super sonic, letting you fly through the stage and explore previously unexplorable parts
if this is what that is it's going to be kino
I've been waiting for a game where super sonic is integrated into the general design and flow of the game instead of being a minigame or a cheat code.
Was hoping it would be with Sonic Forces since Sonic Mania was the one time Super Sonic could actually be hurt by phantom ruby. My dumb head canon forming brain thought this was going to be foreshadowing to how strong Infinite would be. I was hoping Infinite would be a constant threat and could drain energy or something like that.
Alas, he gets run over by DOUBLE BOOST and we never see him again.
Why is his brow like a cameltoe?
How come Super Sonic doesn't have Super Saiyan-style levels where at the end of every game he becomes even more Super than ever before?
because no matter how moronic sonic team is, they at least know better than to do that
This. I don't know why people fail to understand Hyper sonic was just a gameplay thing and not a lore thing
He's a What If lore thing he could exist if Sonic had actually known to give up his emeralds to the Master Emerald alter. I don't think Knuckles knew about it either though
I meant more that they knew better than to do what ruined dragon ball, even though sonic is long past ruined
what is hyper sonic?
In Sonic 3 and Knuckles, if you finish the Sonic 3 half of the game with all the chaos emeralds, you unlock the ability to gather super emeralds.
Once the super emeralds are gathered, you can turn to hyper sonic.
From a narrative standpoint, it hasn't been brought back. Probably because Super Sonic is already invincible, so to make Hyper Sonic relevant, they'd have to weaken Super Sonic. Iizuka says Hyper is non canon as well but it seems like they're making continuity changes with Frontiers so who knows
Isn't Hyper Sonic only available on Angel Island? Each game requires obtaining the Chaos Emeralds but you can't transform into Hyper Sonic with the Chaos Emeralds. You need to place the emeralds on the altars in Angel Island to turn them into the Super Emeralds. What do you want them to do, have seven additional Special Stages to power the Chaos Emeralds up even further for a superfluous second upgrade?
For a short while, they actually did that. Granted it was through stuff like "Darkspine" or "Knight Sonic", but super did have some variations back then.
But if you want pure super upgrades, Hyper is about as close as you'll get to a ssj -> god/blue equivalent.
because they are fundamentally different things
super saiyan multiplies your strength
super sonic makes you invincible
how do you even make a more powerful super sonic? by making you even faster? good luck fitting that into your game
hyper sonic looks cool but it's just kinda silly in the end
>im an inch taller than Vegeta and Astolfo
>they're both almost 30lbs more than me
man what the frick
Wow you're petite post ass NOW
start eating NOW
how the frick do you even lift your forearms to the desk to type with your zero muscle density
You have to work out.
Could you post your arm? I'm curious to see your mass, anon.
LONDON
IMAGINE
Get back to work Mikhail
>take the femboy path
>take the bulk Super Saiyan path
Tough choice.
PLEASE BE IN LONDON
Hyper Sonic made sense when the only instant boost sonic had was the spindash or the fire shield, in a world with boost shit and drop dash that is pretty pointless unless they wanna change the formula and add action game shit like infinite chaos control or something like that
Super Sonic being invincible is only a gameplay mechanic when it appears as a powerup in normal levels. You can still die to pits and crushing anyway. Super Sonic endgame fights still show him capable of taking damage by losing ring energy from hits.
How does Vegeta not weigh more than a trap with all his muscle?
>Sonic 1
No Super Sonic
>Sonic 2
Super Sonic
>Sonic 3&K
Hyper Sonic
They DID do that initially.
Yes, then Iizuka said form creep is stupid so Adventure solidified the rules about the Chaos Emeralds so Super Emeralds/Hyper Sonic went bye bye alongside the implication that each island had its own Emerald's.
>alongside the implication that each island had its own Emerald's
Where did you get the implication from?
New trailer
I don't think that was what the anon meant.
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I actually heard the opnion from this guy as well, he's got pretty nice lore videos on Sonic.
Not him but I remember hearing that the Japanese Manual stated that Angel Island had its own set of emeralds that disappeared right around the time the Death Egg crashed into the island
The current Sonic Team doesn’t acknowledge hyper.
Short answer:Iizuka fired Naka because he didn't want him to get SEGA sued by Toei for copyright infringement
Long answer: they didn't want to handle the power creep that ruined DBZ in the first place
I know you're joking but the Director cannot fire the Producer.
>Sonic needs his super form to beat Perfect Chaos before
>In Generations, he's able to do it in his base
This series does have powercreep, just because Sonic doesn't go Super Sonic 1000 doesn't mean it doesn't
Sonic Team was getting butthurt about the DBZ comparisons for some reason, so they decided to stop doing them
It's why Shadow went from Sonic's rival to being irrelevant and only bought back for the everyday "haha edgy hedgehog we were in a phase isnt shadow dumb" joke
OH MY GOD IT'S LOOK WHO IT IS
look who it is, it's look who it is
This will hopefully be the first time where Super Sonic is actually cool to play as because before he's just normal Sonic but flying which is wack as frick. I wanna see this dude shooting blasts out of his hands, teleporting, and throwing spirit bombs and leaving after images from beating ass so fast. MAKE SUPER SONIC COOL FOR ONCE PLEASE
Where’s the gameplay though
Everybody knows what Super Sonic is, you can’t just post a fake out to hype your product like it’s some revolutionary feature
You can when your fanbase is comprised of morons :^)
Super Sonic isn’t a guarantied feature. He wasn’t in colors at all and only optional in forces and lost world.
>He wasn’t in colors at all
>he doesn't know
>Super Sonic on every boss
They're gonna bring back Hyper aren't they?
>sword and shield on the hud
They will bring back pic related instead
Sonic and the black knight looked really cool
He’s the blue dude with the ‘tude!
Or in this case, the yellow fellow who is mellow 😉
You're gonna pay for copying me you little runt
>AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHADOW-SAMA WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING ME AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You're a bit slow on the uptake, Kakarot!
That trailer looks so bad. Look at this lava and how sonic looks when thrown into a wall lol
And what pray tell is Sonic supposed to look like when he gets slammed through structures and into a wall?
definitely not photoshopped on top of it like he looks here
The wall caught him. I look the same way when my dad throws me into walls all the time. You guys just don't know any better due to lack of experience
It was cool seeing him get wrecked though.
>mariotard doesnt know what real life lava looks like
nice cope, that looks nothing like the garbage in the sonic trailer
I thought that was cool.
Shonen sonic is best sonic.
WRONG ARM COLOUR
GRIFFIIIIIIIIITH
You think we should edit all these screenshots so sonic has blue arms or something?
https://vocaroo.com/15bj67uohLel
How does my on fire noises sound?
https://vocaroo.com/1b3ktduKmyHW
it's a lighting problem
It has to run on the switch you know
Nitpicking again I see.
you're on Gankerwitter
nitpicking is this place's bread and butter
games that look like shit can be fun
SONIC THE PERVERT
Whenever I had long road trips I used to imagine sonic running beside the car.
He's just like me
>not looking through the window and imagining sonic running around through the landscape
That’s…that’s what I meant.
How is the autism treating you?
Look who it is. It’s look who it is.
Sonic games have such good music no matter if the game sucks or not, how is it possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neexlOTmAxw
Did Lost World have good music? Pretty sure it's the only one that escaped that
wasn't great but wasn't bad either
>Did Lost World have good music
yes
You forgot Chronicles and Sonic 1 GBA. Those are the only exceptions though.
Sonic 4 Ep 1 as well, but the melodies themselves are quite good, Jun's instrumentation just sucks.
Sonic Boom had an incredibly bland soundtrack, the only decent thing to come out of that game was the cartoon.
It has one of Eggman's best boss themes.
>violin solo
what
It's pretty kino. Makes me think that Eggy has a sad past that put him on the path he's on now.
G.U.N did kill his family, after all.
the Sega Sound team is extremely versatile
they just never get the chance to flex their chops anymore like they did in the last 90s
>Chronicles
not made by sega nor was it composed by any of the sound team
poor bastards at bioware had to slap together midis to save the cursed production
>Sonic 4 Ep 1
with some proper sound engineering it would've sounded good
that's how it worked for the classics with Masato Nakamura
just giving Jun a midi keyboard will never work
3DS version had a kino line they scrapped for some reason
The 3DS fight was just better overall. Eggy had a lot more moves and that thing he does where his robot powers up and you can actually see it's power level go up is really cool.
I won’t lie bros…this game is actually looking kinda decent
it was trash at release but now I dunno….i might pick it up my brothers
I think you have the wrong thread
No i believe i have the right thread
Sonic Frontiers has convinced me it will be better than Forces and Lost World and sometimes that’s all i need after a decade of shit
It unironically is going to do generations better than generations itself did
Easy 3rd place in a best 3d sonic list, maybe 2nd depending on how autistic the story is
Not with that absolute speed loss after a jump it won't
yeah that’s a big problem I have with cyberspace. They’re taking Boost levels and putting them in a game where Sonic doesn’t go as fast.
It’s odd and I wonder why they didn’t just have Sonic move on rails or something for these levels, like Mach Speed in 06
There's apparently a leveling system to upgrade your speed in the game and some settings to make you slow/faster in the game's menu
Yeah, the settings are pretty interesting, there's a setting for how much are you launched in the air after running up a ramp, it's something i noticed in the earlier IGN footages that Sonic was really glued to the ground yet in the gamescon footages you can see Sonic being launched from uneven terrain, probably that one setting in action, but from the settings there's nothing related to your jump, gotta search some footage to see if that's only a cyberspace thing but it really feels Forces like
I fricking love that too. This game seems to have the most customizable Sonic controls we’ve ever had and that’s something that can benefit everybody.
Want a top speed Unleashed Sonic? Go ahead. Want something slower and more Adventure like? Knock yourself out.
Whoever thought of that deserves praise
But the level design needs to accommodate one or the other. Games need coherence.
The very definition of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one
here’s the settings
i agree, I wonder how Sonic Team will handle the level design in later levels to accommodate the different controls. That’s something I’m a little worried about but hopefully that’s another reason they’ve been taking their time with this
>Restric movement during monologue
That shit is going OFF
>notifications
huh? for what?
Button prompts probably, in the footage you can see a big Y marked in a enemy to attack it
Tutorials most likely
This only affects the Open Zone areas, not Cyber space. It's forces tier in those levels
Sonic's speed is upgradable
it's level capped like Unleashed but in a way harsher way
the demo footage was captured at level 1/50
Generations has even worse speed loss after jumping, and awful turning and overall control
The bar is not exactly high since generations was shit
>Going to fly, I'm going into the light
>Can you hear me ?
Interesting lyrics
heh it just means Sonic is finally waking up out of his coma and Fake Sonic is calling him
leaksreal
Would be kino so I'm not expecting that
>I'm disappearing
These lyrics raise concern if I'm hearing them correctly.
I don't think any of these lyrics are going to correspond with the story at all. It's just a feeling. But I really wish they'd do something interesting with the preestablished characters.
>playing Sonic for the story and characters
Black person I just wanna go fast and punch that e-girl prostitute right in the face
I thought I was being high quality rip pranked until I saw this post
I'm actually still not sure, I dont heard Sky Sanctuary in that at all
Anyway looks surprisingly good. Might be up there with Generations. Actually, without shitty filler classic sonic stages, it will probably surpass Generations.
this game is starting to look good
is basicaly Okami but with Sonic
Baffles me people are hating on this track and saying it sounds like Forces
This shit sounds fricking great. Sonic R vibes. The singer is great. The instrumental part is catchy. I'm really looking forward to the soundtrack
It does kind of sound like the Forces avatar stages
But those stages had the best music, so they're still moronic for hating
tbh I don't really hear the avatar stage music that much in this. It's much more hype and fast-paced.
It's definitely different, I just can see where the comparisons get made
You the hell do you keep saying that moron? It sounds nothing like Sonic R music.
You're wrong
Sad the levels are really short/broken up like in Colors and Forces.
reminder Iizuka retconned it so only male hedgehogs can go Super
RIP Super Tails and Knuckles
>sonicgays suddenly like boostshit
what the frick happened?
>suddenly
?????
Everyone has always agreed the Daytime stages in Unleashed, and Colors and Generations were great and a fun formula for Sonic
What kinda echo chamber have you been in cause it sure wasn’t here
People are so desperate that they've now started actively liking the shit Sonic Team feeds them
>boostshit
the boost is nerfed in this game what the frick are you talking about
it's a glorified dash/run button
sonic isn't a battering ram anymore, you actually need to put effort into killing enemies
>Waaaah why do I always have to stop in my tracks to fight enemies?
>Noooo you can't just skip combat with the press of a button!
You people really don't know what you want huh?
Sonic's boost speed has seemingly been nerfed dramatically in Frontiers. Instead of outright boosting through enemies like a moron, this is seemingly more platform based gameplay.
Not once do we see the boost ability be abused in these leaks.
>suddenly
I have always liked Boost, c**t.
I prefer Super Shadow.
SONIC IS KITTY LITTER
Oh hey guys
HIS WORLD IS STILL #1 MAIN THEME
>rap shit
no
>his world is rap
Everybody make fun of this anon right here for having Zero music sense
>rap
do you listen to music?
hip hop, rap, same shit to me
i hate that kind of music
>his world is hip hop
you’ve never listened to music have you
it’s rock
no it fricking isnt
All of me is rock
please stop you’re embarrassing yourself
>you GOTTA enjoy shitt music biggot
frick off with your "urban youth" music
nobody likes that shit
dude we get it you don’t listen to music, just stop. you outed yourself. Take the L and move on
get Spotify or something and educate yourself
this is not a public argument moronic
you are not a roman senador
im saying X is shit and you are saying its not and that fricking guy rapping is on a song doesnt make it a rap song
you don’t know what music genres are stop trying to defend yourself lmao
>this is not a public argument
Anon, you are literally arguing with him in the public of the thread for all of us to see.
welcome to EB games
give me playable Tails please. SONIC IS SLOW ENOUGH WE CAN HAVE OTHER CHARACTERS AGAIN PLEASE SEGA
sorry bro he's too busy playing on his tablet
Huh did you say “Happy Meals are filled with golden boogers!?”
oh no wait sorry I translated your post. I agree
> Tails will pirate the game and play it on his Steam Deck
when will Ganker apologize for slandering Sonic Team JP & doubting Daddy Zuka?
Archiegays & IDWeebs BTFO SONIC IS A JAPANESE CHARACTER SHONEN FANS WON
Don’t care, combat is still just run around an enemy so you can trigger a cutscene where Sonic throws energy blasts at the enemy.
I like these cutscenes. No more “BALDY MCNOSE HAIR!!! XD” thank god
A golden rat!
God he is so fricking cool dude
Oh no no no, Smallbros...
HEY BIG GUY!
HEY LITTLE GUY!
CAN YOU TELL ME WHO CAME FIRST?
SORRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW
This is the gayest Sonic song. Like homosexual lala fru fru gay.
I wonder if there are going to be other minigames
Just makes me wonder why didn't Iizuka just threw in Chao Garden on the mix
Or maybe he's just trolling us and we are actually getting a "Koko Garden"
Chao Garden is more involved than it appears, I feel like they wouldn't wanna spread themselves too thin for this outing. The original A-LIFE programmer also left long ago, although I don't see it as such a big issue.
it’s a shame cause Chao Garden could’ve really worked well for this open world design
You explore the world looking for hidden animals and special items to use in the Garden, would’ve fit tbh
the Chao Garden takes a thousand times more effort than a fishing game, something Sega already has modern code to go from because of Yakuza
>It's time to pet Froggy and catch fish with bait.
>And I'm all out of bait.
Will be be incorporated in the fricking story this time around or just as a side mode? I miss when the final boss was fought with Super Sonic and you had to work to get him.
It was impossible to get him in Advance, and I still would like to see something that hard in these games.
Well you see Sonic defeating a colossus and taking an emerald that is powering it, so it's reasonable to assume he has to defeat 8 colossi to get access to Super Sonic. Who knows, maybe Sage will have some kind of ability to not give a frick about the super state.
Titans only. Gameplay loop is
>Do shit in overworld, get orb
>Use orb to unlock cyber space
>Use cyberspace to unlock chaos emerald
>Use emeralds to fight boss
>Repeat gameplay loop
iizuka fired naka because he is a schizo
Sounds horrible.
>Will be be incorporated in the fricking story this time around or just as a side mode
no, the entire game revolves around collecting the 7 chaos emeralds
the loop goes
>kill bosses or fish with big or complete cyberspace missions to get keys to open chaos emerald vault
>open vaults, get chaos emerald
>do 7 times
>fight final titan
>chaos emeralds scatter after you defeat the titan
>collect them on the next island
OH MY GAWD SUPER SONIC
A FEATURE THAT WAS IN ALMOST EVERY SONIC GAMES
Oh look! It's that thing! That thing from le heckin DBZ! I clapped! I clapped Sonicbros!
>all of those eva references
>iizuka saying that this is going to be a more serious game and that he wants to unite the comic and game universes
getting legit scared that that schizo leak is real
>unite the comic and game universes
I hope it means they drop the stupid mandates like Shadow can only ever be mad and have zero character development ever.
They'll probably only be More controlling if anything.
>getting legit scared that that schizo leak is real
lol ian already deconfirmed it see picrel
>he becomes even more Super than ever before?
power creep
same reason why no one else has gone super since 06
>why was the public demo hated by literally everyone who played it?
uh oh found the schizo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qUZ4Q1elmj4
Sage has the same seiyuu as Rei, by the way.
>final boss is a giant naked sage
I would forgive the last 20 years of sonic if this happens
>unite the comic and game universes
>inb4 he means the current run of IDW comics, and the original archie comics are still being left in gay baby jail
>iizuka saying that this is going to be a more serious game and that he wants to unite the comic and game universes
Is it Rotorgays time?
Post your tier lists, boys. I have a feeling Frontiers is going in Good or Great.
Frontiers will probably just be ok, open world checklist games are always fun on some level and i think frontiers will probably just be like that as well. I know the cyberspace levels arent good
CD best
Dumpster Tier everything else
Spark 1,2 3 & Freedom Planet 1, 2 will beat the shit out of Frontiers. They've already beaten the shit out of every single Sonic game in existence.
Freedom Planet has troony devs
>Freedom Planet 1, 2
>Freedom Planet 1, 2 will beat the shit out of Frontiers
LMAO
i'm compiling all of the anti-frontiers schizoposts when the game comes out and is, surprise-surprise, actually good
>Anyone who actually criticized Forces
wow that's crazy, the people who played Forces' demo didn't like it and it ended up bad?
Pre-release impressions actually matter now? Guess that confirms that the Frontiers is going to be a GOTY nominee because all of the impressions from people who played the Frontiers demo are positive (see:
and picrel)!
I think it's funny how none of these people are allowed to say anything, besides
>THE GAME IS GOOD TRUST ME
You'd think if the game was really that good, Sega would be willing to advertise it beyond just word of mouth.
>surprise-surprise, actually good
Good games don't recycle content chap.
they literally just put another trailer out for it today
Yes, that shows jack shit, just like they were doing with Forces.
>shows super sonic
>shows part of a titan boss fight
>shows a third island
Black person literally every game reuses assets and content
Reusing assets is different from literally reskinning an old level and pretending it's new. Not literally every game does this, sorry your standards are this low.
>pretending it's new
When do they do this?
When they reskinned Windmill Isle as green hill zone. If it was meant as a callback, they would have just designed it as Windmill Isle.
Frontiers does have completely original levels if that helps, go to 2:25
Thats actually pretty sick.
Thats actually radical highway/city escape assets but yeah that level seems alright
I'm not yet sold on this game, but I gotta say, it looks better the more they show of it.
That city level looks pretty neat. The alternate paths actually seem really good in this one
I just realized the red ring sound is taken from Sonic R. Neat.
I wish there was more fluid combat instead of the cutscene moves.
You think this looks like an engaging open world Sonic? It has all the traps of modern boost design stuck in an open world format. The stiff movement and he embarrassingly low speed caps does the character no justice whatsoever. The added combat element just adds clunky special moves to wail on HP sponge enemies.
We already have confirmation from people that played the demo at gamescom that movement is very free in this game and speed can be upgraded up to lv 50. If you don't know what you're talking about just ignore the thread.
Are Sonicgays' standards so low that they think this looks like amazing gameplay? Jesus fricking Christ I have zero empathy left for you morons if you think this looks good. The city part looks okay I guess and even then it's barren as frick
Black person they're based on his memories. We also have only seen like 3 of them, so maybe calm your breasts before saying anything
This is kryptonite fog levels of cope
>BotW2 reuses an entire overworld map but now with floating platforms
>OMG GOTY BASED BASED BASED
>Sonic reuses assets for entirely optional content
>WWWWWOWWWWWWWWW BLUNDER OF THE DECADE LOL!
Sure, but TotK will actually be a masterpiece. So what's your point here, exactly?
I don't give a shit about Zelda, sorry. Try a different argument than
>B-BUT OTHER GAAYMME
Those aren't good games.
>Sonic reuses assets for entirely optional content
Cyber Spaces are required bro
They're not. You can even skip the tutorial stage if you want.
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all that tells me is that zelda fans are wiener suckers, so who cares?
>Good games don't recycle content chap
Both Elden Ring and MHW have plenty of recycled content.
But both of thouse are actually good?
>But both of thouse are actually good?
Yes moron
There are more good sanic games than bad ones
> s1
Good
>S2 s3 s3k
Fantastic
>cd
Great
>adv1
Great
>adv2
Fantastic
>-heroes
Great
>shadow
Broken - had good ideas- needed more dev time
>-06
Same as shadow
> rings
Bad
>black knigh
Great
>unleashed
Good
>-colors
Good
>generations
Fantastic
>Lost world
Meh
>boom
Shit
>forces
Meh
>Sonic 4 EP1
Shit
>sonic 4 ep2
Meh
>all gba games
Great
>qll ds game
Great
>3ds games
Great
>mania
Perfection
that’s a pretty bad list my guy sorry
mostly accurate except for sonic CD, that game sucks. It was such a meme online for decades, I remember everyone claiming it was the best 2D game ever made and nobody could argue it because nobody had played the fricking thing. When I finally did I was massively disappointed, it's a terrible game.
One of the best tier lists I've seen here, good taste.
That said, while I am not sure I'd put Shadow that high, it for sure is better than fricking Sonic Heroes and I am tired of pretending it's not.
Why Unleashed so low on yours? Is it because of the Werehog? Because imo I'd at least move it (and Adventure) up to OK.
Werehog, medals, tornado levels, hub worlds, bosses, Cool Edge (Day), etc.
Abhorrent taste, homosexual. How do you even manage to remember to breathe?
Because I remember that it's clean, refreshing, and no SA1gays are sharing it near me.
Your taste is fricking terrible. I can't believe I share a planet with people as brain-dead as you.
Can someone please explain to me the brain rot required to think wiileashed is better than the proper version?
Mental illness. Unwiished is literal shovelware
Better medal system and segmented werehog stages in exchange for less involved day stages.
kys heroes shitters
>Shadow in frick off and die tier
bad taste, it deserves to be in Kino tier
In the exact order they are too
this is what i've played
my bets are on frontiers being shit, but i'm not getting it so i have no stake in it
This game looks so bad. Like, jesus christ, this game looks soooo baaaaad.
I see everyone on youtube turning around since the inital reveal, saying how the game's reputation took an upturn and shit.
I just don't fricking see it.
And this is the not the raging pessimistic Gankerirgin in me talking.
Every single frame of gameplay footage we've seen up till now has convinced me that this is not going to end well. Sonic Team has proven time and time again to be bad at what they do, and I don't understand why even seasoned Sonic fans still have hope for that godforsaken studio.
I'm not even a big fan of Sonic but I can't deny there's something very cool about his super Sonic transformation,
Maybe it's the minimalist design or the fact he's known for speed achieving a form that goes even faster, I don't know, but it's pretty cool.
Remember when they tried to make Super Sonic DLC?
>all it took was a few seconds of Super Sonic for Sonicgays to get hyped about Frontiers
No wonder the games are trash. You morons have such low standards that Sonic Team has no reason to try
My husband.
This is my favorite Sonic rap song
>Best representation Metal can ever get now is in Mania Adventures or the fricking IDW Comic with Pick-me-girl the Tenrec
It's fricking bullshit and the fact they never got to expand more on Metal after Heroes - straight up just going 'lol okay bye' will never cease to piss me off. Metal is so fricking cool. He's fricking so insanely schizophrenic after years of getting his fricking ass whooped, has a defined personality, has all this cool shit, but like Shadow they just keep fricking fumbling it. At least their grip on Metal isn't as autistic as the one on Shadow, but still. Frick you.
the fact that Metal pulled this grand plot because he went insane is fricking awesome and it sucks that he just became the “lol we need a race villain” guy after this.
Shadow fills the role of rival yeah but thay doesn’t mean we can’t have Metal popping up trying to assert his dominance as the real Sonic. It would be more interesting if Metal really thought he WAS the real Sonic and just got roboticized and our Sonic is a fake planted by Eggman or something. It would fit the schizo shit
If they really wanted to double down on the absolutely insane schizoleak if it was real, then yeah, that'd be fricking cool as shit. They're both fakes, but one claims to be the real one. That'd be a great point. I fricking hate how they've flanderized the dog shit out of Shadow, though. Shadow doesn't even need to be a fricking rival. Him being a sort of antihero foil to Sonic is fine. The fact that they're still so quick to try and make them fight shows that they don't *want* Shadow to have any fricking growth as a character. As dogshit as Shadow the Hedgehog played, the Shadow at the end of it all was still a better, more complete and nuanced character than whatever the frick he is now, and it's insulting that they keep hitting the 'UNDO' button on any development he gets.
I want it to be real just to see the ensuing chaos. That would be too good to be true, though.
Metal is pointless. There's nothing to him but thinking he is the real sonic despite acting nothing like sonic and being nothing like sonic and it not making any sense because is just a single-minded generic evil robot. No clue why people like him, also he is redundant with Shadow around. He's basically a motobug that looks like Sonic.
I think Metal still has place, but not in this way as he's currently portrayed.
Shadow is essentially Vegeta and due to SEGA's heavy autism he's pretty much avoided to be used, just like IDW did. People like him due to his design, not because of the character itself.
>People like him due to his design, not because of the character itself.
Most moronic thing I've read all day.
Shadow essentially replaced Metal completely
There's no point on having 2 lab-made hedgehogs who are Sonic clones
>He's fricking so insanely schizophrenic after years of getting his fricking ass whooped, has a defined personality
In ONE (1) game. Metal was never interesting before and would've only been dragged down even more if they kept rehashing Heroes like IDW did
I know everybody, even Ian, associates this song with Metal because you fight him with it playing, but if you actually paid attention to the lyrics, you'd realize it's entirely from Super Sonic's perspective and he's the one singing it.
This is Super Sonic's vocal theme song literally telling Metal that stealing his powers and energy isn't enough and to clench his (metaphorical) bring it on cause he's gonna kick his ass. This is basically Sonic's theme for going all the frick out and I love it for that.
I agree. It can be attributed to Metal but it also fits extremely better for Sonic saying “you underestimated me, I can’t be contained through data and copying”
>it's entirely from Super Sonic's perspective
Thought this was obvious since metal has never had a W.
Sonic music peaked with this machine
speaking of which, I wonder if Shadow is in this? If Big is then probably him too. Unless they’re keeping it strictly to the SA1 group which they seem to be (Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Big, Eggman)
I guess this thread is at Stage 2, huh.
heh but Colors Gens and Mania disprove this h-heh
When was the last time sonic even got a new friend, unleashed?
Ray in Sonic Mania.
Ray isn't new, he's so old that he's from the cncept art days like Mighty and game wise is from 1992.
Trolled 😉
anon......
Shitty obscure Jap-only arcade games don't count
(You) in Sonic Forces.
(You) in Sonic Forces.
Part of the Sonic cycle is that initial impressions are good but the initial enthusiasm is slowly eroded away as more footage is shown. This is like an inverse where initial impressions were fricking terrible but its looked better as more footage is shown. It could still suck I'm I'm still skeptical but it doesn't exactly fit.
It'll be a great game by complete accident. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
heh it’ll still be good tho
Another win for the blue boy
>it's a fricking dogshit Sonic game once again but has an amazing fishing minigame
Imagine
If it's going to be "good" why was the public demo hated by literally everyone who played it?
the games on demo? people said they liked it tho
>games on
GAMESCON YOU FRICKING butthole KEYBOARD FRICK
gamescon
No. No, they didn't.
Source.
>my echo chamber group on discord didn’t like it so nobody did
i kekd my friend
How are you hyped for a game that's gotten nothing but awful player reception, exactly? I don't understand Sonicgays
I’ll reply to your bait so the others don’t have to.
This game looked like shit on release but as more people have played it they said it’s actually pretty decent and they enjoy it. Then we’ve been shown more interesting things and now people are cautiously optimistic about Frontiers.
Now leave
>they said it’s actually pretty decent and they enjoy it
Literally where did fricking ANYBODY say that?
everyone who has played the game look at videos posted on twitter, youtube, discussions from people who went to gamescon,
people like this game and that you can’t accept that is very sad schizo
How do you post on Ganker from your jailcell, Chris?
My Sonicgay coworker was at Gamescom and said he was plesantly surprised and the game turned out much better than he anticipated, especially the controls/handling. All anecdotal, of course.
>Sonicgay
Opinion discarded.
Then who's opinion matters? Someone that doesn't give a frick about Sonic and treats it like any other game they pick up and drop within 1-2 weeks?
Quit being a dumbass
They didn't, though. Quit spread misinformation. You're so desperate to get others to stop liking this game and it's pathetic.
>anime poster tries to come off as smug
>ends up looking moronic in the process
Very sad, many such cases!
Uooohing around at the speed of sound!
Got dicky to wreck, Got a e-girl To Correct!
>Inevitable orchestral remix with a different form than supersonic because why would they use him for the final boss too
Potential kino?
>because why would they use him for the final boss too
>Sonic Team in charge of being creative
True, and i'd fricking expect them to do nothing but Sonic getting messed up is part of the story so maybe we'll get something different.
Probably not
>here's your final boss form bro
I want a Crush 40 cover of this for the final boss
Why does the glowing reception to both the private and public demos just not count?
>why don't paid reviews count? why don't cherrypicked reviews count? why did my dad leave? whos this mommy brought over? why am I getting stomped on at the bottom of a car? why won't statues talk to me?
It's shit, face it Sonicgay. I'm sure you'll husk it in november
Because that worked so well for Forces, right? Nice selfie, by the way.
Are you just making shit up now? That didn't happen at all with Forces, schizo
Revising history now, Frontierstroony?
Nice projection, autist. People were shitting on Forces months before it came out. Frontiers is the exact opposite.
People were really harsh on Forces when it had demos going, if I remember right
They would comment on the awful turning, the weird acceleration, the enemies that do literally nothing, the hallways and lack of exploration
But clearly Frontiers is just Forces all over again
Forces was extremely shat on specially when Mania made 30 years old game design seem more fresh than the blocky shit Sonic Team put out which also felt like a downgrade from Generations too
Anyone who actually criticized Forces before released was blasted as a Sonic hater who wanted the game to fail, links related. Similar cases have been occurring with Frontiers,
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/09/sonic-forces-egx-2017-hands-on-impressions/
>NintendoLife
Funny you say that because they had negative impressions of Frontiers at first but as soon as they got to play it, they flipped on it.
I hate this specific one because for the most part he just goes "Its bad because if you gave me a list i'd just check everything" and it hardly felt like he elaborated on it.
So we're getting Cyber Super Sonic at the end aren't we.
>WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN AFTER THE REVEAL IS GOOD!
Like what? everything looks the same
Look who it is, its look who it is! Its look who it is.
Anyone else find it hilarious that Sonic randomly gets to just go back to being AAA
It's even more hilarious that people sort of just refuse to believe that it's true
Not paying AAA prices for an asset (and content) flip, simple as.
name the last 5 triple a titles youve played for me please.
>implying I play AAA dogshit
Sorry, but I have good taste unlike you.
One can assume you don't have taste at all because you
>Immediately discredit triple a titles (judging books by their covers)
and
>immediately insults me after i had a simple request
But I can be wrong, tell me what you play that makes you have good taste.
I swear it seems like in the 16 years since 06 released, irony poisoned brainlets are physically incapable of comprehending that Sonic games can be good
and whatever twittergay speculation or cycle meme they come up with is superstitious bullshit
>The initial reveals were of an old build(not copium, this has been confirmed)
i really don't know why people jumped to the conclusion that the IGN first footage was the final game
that was one of the biggest moments of collective stupidity from the internet
the original leaked release date was december, why did people pretend that they were gonna sit on their thumbs for 6 months?
I hope someone is compiling all these copeposts for the inevitable letdown and immediate backpedaling in November
>irony poisoned brainlets are physically incapable of comprehending that Sonic games can be good
But everyone fricking praised Mania you fricking moron
why are people looking forward to frontiers again after shitting on it originally? The new trailers look just as underwhelming as the original ones. The only worlds we saw were bland forest and bland desert
I don't know what trailer you watched because I'm seeing weird cool huge bosses
I LOVE weird cool huge bosses out in the world
I'm sorry you're blind anon. Don't bother replying. I know you cannot see my post anyway.
They revealed the main villain to be an edgy e-girl, these homosexuals literally did a 180 on the game imediatly after that.
Literally false. Only the IGN gameplay reveals got bombarded with dislikes and hate. Everything during and after the summer game fest has been praised.
The initial reveals were of an old build(not copium, this has been confirmed) and just had someone wandering around aimlessly, people thought that's all the game would be. Then they started showing us are far more lush overworld, all these trippy stages, and weird-ass KH2 combat, and fighting giant monsters. People realized there actually was more to the game, and they so far like what they've seen. Simple as
It's shit
The combat really is what turned it around for me, especially the bosses
Sonic's speed is like a perfect fit for dashing around huge, towering enemies and chipping away at them, and that's exactly what they're doing, I think it looks cool
if pro-Frontiers is autism, anti-Frontiers is schizophrenia
>I am not crazy! I AM NOT CRAZY! I KNOW THEY'RE REUSING PSO2 ASSETS
>anti-Frontiers is schizophrenia
best description of the discourse around this game
see:
Love this giga Black person and his 5 rows of teeth
He looks like he had the biggest shiteating grin of all time when he saw Sonic coming back for round 2.
he is sonic wife
I'M SORRY BROS, BUT I'M FRICKING HYPED
id heaven
>It's look who it is
heres mine
What's with all the Unleashed love I'm seeing here?
Half of Unleashed is the best the Boost formula ever put out, the other half is an undercooked beat 'em up that could stand to at least be two or three times faster from a mobility standpoint.
Undercooked but not bad.
I agree with Sonic CD being that low. The game is a confusing mess with good graphics and music.
Metal debuted here and his boss fight was ridiculously easy.
It's look who it is
>tfw i hate sonic
>tfw im gonna buy it anyways
i wanna see how bad it is. i want to support it to make sure future sonic games are terrible
I don’t care for Sonic 2 and Adventure 1 is my favorite 3D Sonic game
No idea why I never played Black Knight, 2009 was the height of Sonic Mania for me weird how it went under my radar
inb4 super sonic 2 becomes a real thing in the final boss fight of this game
If Sonic gets a new form then this game is gonna be peak shonen kino.
COME AND LEAVE YOUR MAAAARK!
VANDALIZE MY HEAAAAAART!
Why hasn't Sonic used Chaos Control since 06?
Sonic can't be touched when he's super or you explode
>literal AMV song playing during the trailer
Dark Era bros... we're going back.
Idk if this game will be good or not
But all I know is this game will most likely cause another spite in the fanbase
speaking of Scourge is one of the few archie characters they should bring to the games, he's an absolute bastard with zero redeeming qualities and we need more villains, and he is also "good enough" to tussle with Sonic.
plus his super form looks pretty cool.
No. Generally, mirror matches are always bad in Sonic games, usually among the worst bosses in the games they're in. This is why Sonic doesn't really fight enemies with similar abilities to his own anymore, and why Metal Sonic is always given huge upgrades whenever he appears as a boss.
Scourge doesn't fight like Sonic at all, and his Super form functions entirely differently
He's a hedgehog with super speed who fights by jumping on things, isn't he?
he's certainly super fast but he's more of a street brawler type of guy in a fight.
he's from a universe where everyone's positive traits are their negatives, not quite "opposite" but more "inverted".
Shadow would be a more "opposite" but still good, as he's very different from Sonic, Scourge is if all of Sonic's traits where simply tuned to evil, he's also somehow, even dumber than Sonic.
Brawling is pointless. Think about Sonic's gameplay, you really think that a boss with Sonic's size and proportions is gonna pose a threat with punches and kicks? Why do you think the majority of Sonic's enemies are significantly larger than he is?
Blaze vs Sonic is one of the few good boss battles along with Sonic vs Shadow in generations.
Sonic vs Shadow isn't that good. It's actually kinda boring. It's sort of this half-assed race that ends with you running into pink rocks because there's no other means of harming Shadow as their Boosts cancel each other out.
Scourge is owned by Penders.
He's a dead character legally speaking.
>They should bring in a character from a dead comic
Lol. You'll get surge and like it
I've gained a distaste for Super Sonic over the years. I think it's become too much of a crutch. Whenever things get beyond Sonic's ability, the magical emeralds show up and he becomes invincible, allowing him to solve the problem. They're always there when he needs them, and he always needs them.
Sonic didn't even use Super for Colors, Lost World, Boom, and Forces in the stories. It's about time it came back.
I've gained a distaste for the Master Sword over the years. I think it's become too much of a crutch. Whenever things get beyond Link's ability, the magical darkness defeating blade shows up and he becomes invincible, allowing him to solve the problem. It's always there when he needs it, and he always needs it.
Master Sword doesn't turn Link invincible and it's often not the ultimate solution to any and all problems. If Super Sonic were used more like the Master Sword, I'd have less complaints about it. The Master Sword is just a minor upgrade, but the true ultimate weapon is usually something else like the Biggoron Sword or the Light Arrows.
Gameplay wise? You have a point. Lore and plot contrivance wise though the point still stands.
You say that but even in lore, the Master Sword is only the ultimate solution half the time. Hell, the Master Sword is completely superfluous in the recent Breath of the Wild. Link defeats Ganon by shooting an arrow at its face and Zelda deus ex machinas the rest.
You know really the Light arrows are far worse for this than the master sword is, those things are required later on and melt everything in the N64 games
It's my headcanon that Calamity Ganon isn't the real Ganon and instead just a very powerful swarm of Malice that likened itself to Ganon. That's why the Master Sword wasn't needed.
In every other (3D) game, the final blow is always dealt with the Master Sword.
clearly this is the case because Ganon's Corpse is a focal point of the sequel.
Gotta be, my theory is that the Malic was leaking from Ganon's corpse, trying to form it self a new body in BotW. Link shot that plan in the foot so now the Malice is going back to the body.
Sonic isn't 100% invincible during Super, he just gets flight and a big power up
He can either run out of rings or get damaged by something that's strong enough (dark gaia laser), so my bet is that there will be more types of that in Frontiers
Sonic going super for a normal boss probably means that it won't work for the final boss this time and he has to think of something else to beat it
the Comics did it better, he rarely ever gets to go Super, almost all of his wins come from him and his friends pulling off some sort of combo plan, in fact, up till the Archie Comic ended, he went super like 10 times total, in like 18 years of publication.
Sonic gameplay doesn't usually allow for "combo plans". The ultimate goal is always "Run really fast across the stage and hit the boss eight times". Stop bringing up the comics, its ideas are fundamentally non-applicable to the games.
>Stop bringing up the comics, its ideas are fundamentally non-applicable to the games.
Nta, but that's less that it can't and more that japs and their worshippers don't want that.
Consider what the basic Sonic gameplay style is. They're action platformers. There is no space for co-op or tactics in Sonic. What you guys want is more in line with a JRPG or a strategy game, but that's more spin-off territory.
there's a million games you could make out of the Sonic Franchise that aren't just "Go Fast down a lane" and "JRPG"
Sonic has a pretty fricking bad problem, they keep making games rather similar to each other out of pure fricking repetition, "that's what a Sonic Game is!" they say.
oh because the games current direction and styles certainly has done SO FRICKING WELL for the Sonic Franchise eh?
maybe a fricking trip back to the drawing board is in order.
Most of the games are spent working towards either obtaining the emeralds or stopping Eggman from doing whatever he's gonna do with them.
Eggman was feeding them to Chaos in SA.
Eggman needed the emeralds to power the cannon in SA2.
Sonic's friends split up in the finale to find the emeralds in 06.
Sonic had all the emeralds in Unleashed, but had to revitalize their power.
Sonic goes around collecting the emeralds in the white world and needs them to even enter the final boss in Generations.
They only magically show up in Heroes.
It's literally been 11 years since the emeralds have been used as a plot device
>repeatably homing attacking the titan's face
>does no damage and he gets yeeted instead
kino
It's really funny how nobody is mentioning this
We literally have footage showing this is probably like the first moment of the boss fight
Looks like the beginning of the game, Sonic gets his shit wrecked by a titan and realizes he can't just homing attack to win like in the other games
i guess this is iizuka's way to make a statement
To be fair, if homing attack to win has been what worked for you for eons and you suddenly fight something that no-sells it like it's nothing, you'd be shocked and stunned as well.
The game also begins with sonic, tails, and Amy on the tornado looking for the chaos emeralds after noticing they've disappeared. It's clearly an intentional thing.
Wait...
>Sonic and Tails are on the Tornado 2 looking for big energy but the plane gets sucked into another dimension where the emeralds now reside
>amy
>not knuckles
IIZUKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Amy is one of Sonic's best friends and isn't charged with guarding a sacred site.
God why are the animations so bad
The fact that sonic is potentially getting a good game which has been recieved well so far by critics and fans is mindbreaking people
I hope that's the only thing snapping people's brains in two anon
So, assuming there's 7 Cyber Space stages per island at least and 5 total islands, there's easily 35+ stages total. And assuming that they use Generations console/3DS edition to fill up part of that, there's about 13 or 14 stages filled so far. And also assuming the devs aren't lazy as frick and every stage is unique/based off of a past Sonic stage/zone, that leaves about 21 to 22 potential stages at least of other past levels in Sonic games that could happen if there are Lost World or Colors-length stages.
If so, what past zones/stages would you love to see show up in Cyber Space and with their own kino new music too?
Cyberspace level with Starlight Carnival's aesthetic and Egg Fleet's level design.
I want to see star light zone done in 3d
make it look very pretty
marble zone would also be very cool
i miss nike smile sonic
It's look who it is.
is shadow in the game?
No.
IIzuka is lying for PR.
DLC
he's now the vergil of the sonic franchise
is silver in the game?
Alright nerds, post em.
https://picrew.me/image_maker/1257436
I’m Sulfur, Sulfur Collins the Hedgehog. I was mutated by Dr Nega Eggman into a half monkey, half hedgehog, and 23% human male with a giant fricking wiener but it’s invisible unless I say so.
My specialities are climbing with my magnetic glove tips, swinging with my tail, and gliding across the surface thanks to the friction of my boots.
My sworn destiny is to gather the chaos emeralds to fuse this world with my own in order to save mine from extinction. Oh by the way I’m from another galaxy and came here in search of help before Nega Eggman kidnapped me. I distrust ALL animals except foxes, crocodiles, and dicky bunnies.
>not posting cute girl OC's
Man, I used to have that folder of the giga-autistic Sonic Super Arms images, but I'm pretty sure it's on my other computer.
creating autistic male wannabe edgelords is 100x more fun than creating another wienersleeve
I don't know, I saw a lot of good wienersleeves being made.
here's one i never finished editing
Monkey!
borp
it's look who it is
>Eschewing the second most popular character in the franchise is good for PR
Cyber Sonic is real
>Super Sonic is no longer for the Final Boss only
So...
Will Izuka allow Hyper Sonic be back or will Super Sonic be fused with that weird red glitchy thing that gives him a new Super form?
Probably the latter. Though admittedly, they DID bring back Hyper Forms in Origins and even gave them to Tails and Knuckles as well. So who knows.
He is mandated to never leave Angel Island hell. I'm sorry anon.
>Hyper Tails
Wait what the frick?
Or do you mean Super Tails with Super Flickies?
No, I mean Hyper Tails. Origins has it so that Super Tails is just Tails with the golden glow, but being boosted by the Super Emeralds gives him a Hyper form which is the one that has the flickies now.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Hyper_Tails
Knuckles also has a Hyper form, which gives him afterimages in addition to the glow.
What the frick
So Hyper Sonic being in 3D isn't actually off the table anymore...
I hope it happens then
It really comes down to whether or not it's mandated to be Classic-only. If it isn't, then it's definitely on the table for future media, but I highly suspect that it is.
I guess we'll just have to wait until November
The 2 month wait is fricking painful.
Isn't it it like 5-6 weeks?
Doesn't game release on 7th of November?
The 8th actually, even then it's only 3 weeks and 2 days.
Actually even shorter if the game leaks early (depending on how well the Switch emulates it)
Nevermind, I somehow mixed up October and November, it does release on the 8th though.
>Hyper Tails, formerly known as Super Tails
>they just renamed Super Tails to Hyper Tails for some reason
They basically just made it so that Super Tails only has the glow and the original with the flickies is now Hyper. It's a weird change.
is knuckles in the game?
Yes, Sega fricked up at a demo station so a player got to Knuckle's.
is he gonna sniff my divine chili dog? XD
>call the game shit
>it turns out to be shit
>win
>it turns out to be good
>win anyways because I want more good games
I can't lose at all.
She's nuts!
Cute!
I love the design of that giant ass homie.
Goku the Thothog
the trailer felt like a 2009 youtube tribute video
Even Sakurai likes this game. Ganker needs to admit they were wrong about this game. It's over chuds
Wait really.
Im "buying" the game solely for Big dont @ me
I can’t believe Ganker is actually warming up to this game.
This is nothing like the threads from a couple weeks ago