>Waste 7 (SEVEN) slots on charavters that nobody wants to play as ever, even when one of them was a meta pick
Why did they do it? Why was the push for the Koopalings so strong during the Wii/Wii U era?
Mario Kart 8
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nostalgia bait
It really wasn’t. It was stronger in the ds era.
Gamers back then had some inexplicable hate boner against Bowser Jr and kept screeching "what about muh koopa kids", then when Nintendo (over) delivered, everyone realized that they didn't actually give a shit at all and that it was just an excuse to complain about something.
I don't actually know what I want. I only know what I don't want, which is whatever I get.
Nintendo bringing back the Koopalings was based.
Nintendo then using the Koopalings for everything over and over was not.
It's not difficult, people don't hate the koopalings, they hate how over-saturated they became
yeah, a trip back to Gametrailer and Screwattack is filled with that meme
personally though I do like the koopa kids just that the NSMB games utilized them crappy, they are boring as pretty much the only kind of boss when they would work better as minibosses and it happed like 3 straight time, they actually were not to badly done in nu-Paper Mario games oddly enough
And now we just have to wait for them to bring back Koopa Kid(s) from Mario Party
The biggest issue is that you end up having all these characters, and nobody is interesting. Also overutilization as said, while everyone else is not there
All these faceless mooks when you could have characters from paper mario, Mario & Luigi, Mario RPG, DK, Luigi's Mansion, SMB2 (where is Wart?) and much, much more
Even as generic Mario enemies goes, you'll never see a Rex or a Dino Rhino as a character as a surprise. You'll never see the Dr.Mario viruses, Syrup from Wario Land, Piantissimo or even maybe even original Mario Kart universe OC because why the fuck not
It's just like New Super Mario Bros. It was just so terribly safe in a way, just so disappointingly safe
Thinking about it. On the N64 gen, all of this was new. Smash 64 had an exciting roster. Mario Tennis gave us Waluigi. Mario Golf gave us 4 OCs we never saw again. Things were kind of alive in a way
Now you get.... random mook. Yay...
bro we literally had Toad and Koopa from the gecko with Super Mario Kart
>Mario Kart universe OC
Toadette
>Toadette
Well I'll be damned, that is true. I didn't think of this, at all
But yes, here's one
The problem is that we don't need the same 10ish mooks everywhere. They were there as companions in one of the recent Mario Party too instead of actual characters
Hell, Nintendo got laughed at hard during the end of the Dr.Mario mobile game when they started releasing ridiculous shit like Dr.Baby Mario and Dr.Goomba Totem instead of Dr.Syrup or something
Nintendo has these billions of characters and we're always going to get the same boring generic enemies ones every goddamn time
Yeah but Mario enemies like it or not are iconic since you see them as much as you see Mario throught the game and if Nintendo won't let you add spin-off characters then mooks are certainly the way to go. Hell, they have been doing it since always, its just that it wasn't as noticable before because rosters were slowly getting bigger due to console limitations being broken and that allowed them to add main characters that they couldn't add before ALONGSIDE mooks until they run out of new Mario mainstays after Rosalina. The only reason Pauline is coming back into everything is because if Oddysey, but otherwise they already have everyone accounted for.
Yeah but that's fucking boring. It's as boring as it could be
While this is not as worse as, let's say, Sega not maintaining their IPs like a bunch of idiots, it's Nintendo really missing perfect opportunities to bring back a bunch of characters, give some surprises and make it seem fresh while not black holing a bunch of characters to oblivion
Even the generic enemies could be rotated out for other enemies that doesn't appear as much. It's a if Nintendo is putting their own stick up their ass, uselessly so
A lot of this is probably cost cutting measures, but not properly maintaining characters is stupid
>Even the generic enemies could be rotated out for other enemies that doesn't appear as much
That's exactly what they do outside of Koopa and Shy Guy
yeah, like 1 a game or something. Pom Pom in Super Mario Party was because her model was in 3D World, that's about it
you're a bitch, shut up
Mario RPG OCs are owned by SE
How do people still not know this.
If they were able to get them for a shitty tutorial cameo in M&L, they can get them sometimes for Mario Kart
Alphadream was made of former SE developers, they got special permission to use Geno as a cameo and even had to credit SE in Superstar Saga. They didn't get this permission the second time (for the remake)
Do you really fucking think Nintendo will buy the rights for forgotten scrimblos who appeared once decades ago, just to appeal to an incredibly small minority?
This is exactly what happened. People honestly just wanted to bitch and complain. Being a fan of both Jr and the original koopalings has been made current spinoff games pretty fun.
>slots
It's Mario Kart.
I like them, but an issue is that you have to include all of them. I'd rather they have a better variety of characters like Birdo and Diddy should've been in from the start, but they're way better than all the Mario and Peach variations and the dumb babies.
yeah is like the Ninja turtles, if you don't include all of them it just feels so wrong
Koopalings are based but with that said it's difficult to justify them for being playable in spinoffs. It's why I never wanted the Broodals playable either.
The times when they don't include them all are also weird. The Olympic games have done this, they just included Larry and Ludwig. While those choices make sense, it completely breaks their gimmick.
It's best when it's like Smash Bros and they're all alts to each other or in Mario Kart some of them could've been alts depending on their size so they're not taking up so many slots. Like Lemmy and Wendy could be alts for lightweight, then Larry and Iggy for middlewight, then Morton, Roy and Ludwig for heavyweight this could apply to other sports games too.
Their Smash Bros models are disgusting looking, they're just Bowser Jr. wearing the heads of the others. For characters like Roy and Iggy it especially looks wrong.
Granted they could do a better job. In Smash Bros, the clown car should've been bigger and they're all made heavyweight so the larger ones can be properly modeled inside.
Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach were made because they wanted another female lightweight and female heavyweight yet there wasn't anyone they could pull from the mainline games, if you were in their position what would you have done?
Zero fucking excuse, you had the stupid bee meme from the shitty 3DS Mario Kart and the Sprixie princess from 3DWorld
>you had the stupid bee meme from the shitty 3DS Mario Kart
You mean the one everyone hated
>Sprixie
Now that one I don't get why they didn't choose, maybe they didn't want to pay for another VA
Only because Waluigi got axed. If he was in MK7 no one would have compained.
just use spinoff characters, who cares if they're not mainline? pretty sure villager and link aren't mainline either
goombella female lightweight, princess shroob heavyweight, ez
Characters from RPGs, Wario games and DK games outside of the Kongs aren't allowed due to the Mario mandate.
>Characters from RPGs
Baby Peach is from PiT
>Wario Games
Wario games are referenced in MP10's amiibo mode
>DK games outside the kongs
The tikis are literally in the game
If the Mario mandate didn't exist, they wouldn't have replaced the kremling goalies in the newest Strikers game with Boom-boom goalies.
>they wouldn't have replaced the kremling goalies in the newest Strikers game with Boom-boom goalies.
The Kremlings haven't been relevant since Donkey Kong 64. Why would they still use them in Strikers?
K. Rool got into Smash Bros after over a decade of not being in anything purely by fan demand, the Kremlings have lasting popularity.
Also:
>relevancy
have a nice day
>goombella
Nibba Nintendo is literally cockblocking contractors from making unique goombas/toads/koopas/etc, why would they ever include characters like these?
because they're not contractors
>female heavyweight
Honey Queen
>female lightweight
male/female noki
Fuck you, I've been playing as Ludwig since day 1 on Wii U.
In the grander scheme of things, you don’t matter. Shut the fuck up.
Redditfrog cope
Paedo character pick.
Best Koopaling
Nice to see someone with some taste
>still generically bitching about the koopa kids in 2023
Each Koopaling is a good character. If you want to look for the real wasted slots, look at the random guest characters like the squid e-boi and Link, the baby reskins, the metal recolors, etc.
>Each Koopaling is a good character.
Eh, the only good ones are Iggy, Roy and Ludwig while the other 4 are filler
Wrong.
>lemmy
>filler
Cuck opinion detected
Literally everyone was demanding them back during the Gamecube/early Wii era.
They were gone for a long ass time and then they assumed people loved them cause of NSMBW
I wonder if it's a generational thing. I'm a zoomer and I hate the Koopa Kids but I think Bowser Jr is cool.
I think Bowser Jr is a fundamentally shit character, even though I grew up with him. Any individual Koopaling has a better design and personality.
I grew up with the Koopalings and I can't stand them
I'm fine with Bowser Jr. though
I'm a zoom but it's the other way around for me. Those DiC Mario cartoons used to air on one of the only channels my poorfag TV got as a little shit
Fuck you, Iggy is based as fuck.
consider me roy enjoyer
The koopalings are good additions, but we needed way more.
Fixed your roster, bro.
>Wario charcters
>RPG characters
>Fucking Rare characters
This roster is so based that it's actually made me depressed because it'll never happen.
>geno
never ever
10/10 roster Ashly would put it to 11/10
The funny thing about Ashley is that she most definitely was used in the 3DS badge arcade. She probably had the most badges set I've seen, and yet here we are, not really utilized anywhere else again. The 3DS messaging map original character (I forgot her name...) was quite popular too
niggy
>DUDE PAPER MARIO
holy shit die
I hate crossover fags. Why does everything have to be this big extended universe? Comics have done more damage to people's brains than even Disney could ever hope to on their own.
except that pretty much all characters there are relevant Mario universe
Nintendo has such a fucking massive character roster and they're just not using them, and instead we get boring and expected common enemies, no surprises
>boring and expected common enemies, no surprises
If you expected to ever be able to play as a Goomba in Mario Party you might just be a fortune teller, otherwise mooks are always curveballs be it Blooper in Mario Party 8, Chargin' Chuck in Mario Golf Super Rush, Dry Bones in MK DS, Paratroopa in Double Dash or Spike in Mario Tennis. Go ahead and tell me if you ever expected any of those.
Not him, but Koopa Troopa was in the very first Mario Kart so that curveball was always there.
>Geno
Opinion discarded.
Koopalings > non-Mario shit like the Inklings, Link and Isabelle. Even Cat Peach/Metal Mario are more tolerable than that shit, now all the Smash Kartfags are humoring more crossover cancer.
This. Metal Mario is honestly based but should never go past him.
no disagreement here
Hierarchy from better to worse:
>Koopalings
>Clones
>Babies
>Guests
Wrong,i was really happy when they finally got added and couldnt wait to finally play as roy,problem is that after that the roster got really stagnant
I use Roy and Ludwig sometimes
>complaining about the Koopalings over the damn Babies
Who's the meta pick?
Roy used to be, he has the same stats as Waluigi and DK which were the meta until 2.3
Why can't they make a good Mario kart past Double Dash?
Nah fuck you Iggy, Roy, and Larry are my favorite characters. They're fun.
Koopalings should just be one big boss gauntlet or an all in one type deal. If they can put queen bees giant ass on a kart, they can dog pile all the koopalings onto one.
come to think of it, if Mario Kart had a campagin mode, a race with you and the koopalings and they play dirty would be a PERFECT level for a MK campaign
People like them and your opinion doesn't matter compared to theirs.
>People like them
Haven't seen one online in ages
>not wanting to play as roy or ludwig
gay
you're probably low rank then, half the sweaty japs run morton since he's meta
>run morton since he's meta
1) It was Roy that was meta, so even the apologists can't get their names right
2)People always picked Waluigi or DK anyways
>Waluigi or DK
no they picked waluigi. nobody picked dk either
>It was Roy that was meta, so even the apologists can't get their names right
nah at high ranks the meta was the heaviest weight class (wario bowser dry bowser and morton)
roy DK and waluigi are a single class below them below them so a lot of people would use them if they needed the acceleration but lobbies past 10k VR were 75% warios/mortons/bowsers
Post pics and I will accept im wrong
wrong
it makes me SEETHINGLY angry to see people pick azure rollers with the wigger car cuz wiggler's shoes are red, so it's like the rollers were tailor made for that kart, yet people gotta go out of their way to fuck up the perfectly on-model wiggler
also, I am very pleased that the metafag strat was literally just using the memest character on the closest approximation to a wiggler possible. It makes me sad to hear that the metafag kart's changing, honestly.
How how does your Ranking No. need to be to get lobbies like this?
No, fuck you
Koopalings>Basic enemies>Babies>Metal fucks
I would add "Basic Enemies that aren't Turtles" (like Shy Guy and Wiggler) to the front, just because its more visual variety than the Koopalings or the group of Koopa, Paratroopa, Lakitu, etc...
Dry Bones is cool though.
Pac-man
Rust Luigi
Blue Platinum Rosalina
Wendy sex
I don't care about the roster, post retro track you want to see.
Bowser Castle DS, I wanna grief people on the spiral
Wave 6 will have either DK Mountain or Dino Dino Jungle.
based but will we ever see Daisy Cruiser? swore it was leaked to be in but seems dead now
Daisy Cruiser is probably coming next wave.
I'd like a good remake of Gba Rainbow Road
Most of the GBA remakes suck except Ribbon Road and Cheese Land.
I specifically said good. Also Cheese Land is missing the cheese moon and the robber mice.
This, Airship Fortress and Wario Colosseum WHY THE FUCK hasn't this last one come back ever?
They might surprise us in wave 6 since there's supposed to be 2 DoubleDash tracks in it.
Most people are predicting DK Mountain and Dino Jungle because of leaks and because both of these tracks are in Tour already but I somewhat doubt they'll include two jungle themed tracks in the final wave.
GCN Bowser's Castle no doubt. I would fit perfectly in the Spiny Cup just before Wii Rainbow Road.
Mushroom City
SOVL
that and all of these
there was a weird noticable push to make the koopalings notified as part of the standard mario cast, this was incredibly apparent in their seemingly out of nowhere inclusion in both smash and mario kart in very short amount of time
koopalings are based fuck you
>why did you took
Hispanic artist pls understand.
sauce
Keep Ludwig, remove the others.
Keep Wendy. Remove the others.
>2008 +15
>still the best roster
How'd the do it bros? Why couldn't they do it again?
I can count like 2 maybe 3 characters who aren't in 8 here
After 9 years
It wasn't 'Mario-ized' for lack of a better word. On a personal note, the gold standard for any Mario Kart roster are the MK64 eight, Daisy, Waluigi, Diddy and Bowser Jr. From there on, add whoever else you want. But those twelve should be grandfathered into every roster. I don't give a fuck about separating DK from Mario or whoever else, Mario Kart 64 put the series on the map and Yoshi/Wario were also big names with their own series being white hot, they should be embracing those sub series instead of trying to stay on-brand with boring shit like literal recolors and non Mario shit like Link and the Inklings.
Based and I agree. I dont want Mario kart to become smash bros but racing. If they wanted to do that, they should make a brand new game centered around that (Id play it)
No console limitations to make them cut the roster short like DS and 7
No gimmick that requires everyone to have a partner like Double Dash
No retarded choice of actively snubbing previous characters in favor of the Koopalings and then filling with OC's made with weight classes in mind like base 8
>Best Roster
>FOUR fucking babies
>One which didn't even exist prior to this game
Was is that hard to add a Goomba or some other smaller character instead? Petey Piranha was axed in this piece of shit game and I want that fucker back ASAP.
Also, why does this game look so fucking SOULESS?
>Jaggies up the ass
>VERY low poly, probably even more than double dash
>Souless font everywhere
>Those black menus, too fucking derpessing
>Bloom up the ass, the fuck was their problem?
>Boring cover art and main menu that highlight a fucking optional peripherial that is basically a piece of plastic
>Almost every characters has a strange 1:1 "Clone" of itself (Babies Mario and Luigi, Baby Peach and Daisy, Troopa and Dry bones, Toad and Toadette, Bowser and Dry Bowser.
>Being able to use Miis mean runing into a shitload of furries online that have egos so big they go around the world and up their asses
>
Wii has that period where nintendo just covered shit in syrup, arguably even worse than the brown and bloom in that same period
This is why this is the worst era of post-90's gaming, look at fucking Brawl as well, Melee holds up a lot better visually-speaking.
>Petey Piranha was axed in this piece of shit game and I want that fucker back ASAP.
Why?
Why was he axed? Don't fucking know
Why I want him back? Some fucking variety FFS.
Well good for you because he got a track in Tour and if thwy port it for DLC they are 100% adding Petey back
>even remotely attempting to cast judgement about including /ourguy/ Dry Bones in any Mario Kart game
Apologize immediately or I'll shove a turtle shell up your ass.
I like drybones, I really do but he also falls in line with the other "semi-clones", otherwise why didn't they add fucking ROB back? What about Shyguy? The fact that those two weren't in MKWii says a lot about our society.
I think bikes pose a problem for ROB, yeah he can just bend over a bit and done so in Smash but in MKDS he was stiff as board
Well Shy Guy doesn't even reach the pedals of the Bike so im sure they could ignore it and just mount Rob on the bike, maybe give him a special seat so its an adaptor type of thing and he is controling it that way.
>defending Shy Guy
Alright, I'll forgive you for now.
That is actually a fun fact. I liked him better before he got more backstory this millennium though.
I mean, all these characters are already in MK8, once Diddy returns (guaranteed) and if they decide to bless us with Funky.
Boss fights in New Super Mario Bros went down the shitter after they brought the Koopalings back. Even though they were baby easy in the first game at least there was variety. Wow look at him spin around his stupid shell before immediately getting stomped again. 3D World and Odyssey would be so much less interesting if you had to fight the Koopalings over and over. Paper Jam made them tolerable by pairing them up so it's only 3 boss fights. The problem is they're just 7 mini Bowsers with magic wands. It's just boring.
That works for a game like Mario 3 or World, with console and design limitations, but yeah anything past that is just kinda lame. Even New Mario DS had unique boss battles
Trying to do the staff ghosts for the Golden wheels. Any tips for Wario Stadium?
I unironically prefer mooks in Mario spin-offs over babies, metal recolors, and Koopalings. Playing as Goomba, Blooper, and Boo is kino. Who didn't love playing Goomba in Super Mario Party? There's a bunch of mooks they still could add like Whomp or Spike or Blooper. Throw in Boom Boom too fuck it.
Same, mooks are great
They recorded high quality voice lines for them in another game and wanted to get their moneys worth.
That's literally the entire reason.
It's pointless arguing with you zoomers. People were excited when the Koopalings were announced for MK8. Only when they got into Smash did people start turning against them.
>Why was the push for the Koopalings so strong during the Wii/Wii U era?
Because people kept bitching about them being absent for so many years, that's literally it.
the Koopalings are fine. the real problem are costume alts like Tanooki Mario, Cat Peach, and PinkGold Peach. who the actual FUCK plays those shit characters
>PGP
Stat minmaxers
>Tanooki and Cat
No idea outside of slightly different medium weight and Tanooki Mario has old Mario clips where Charles isn't out of breath.
If you use baby peach/daisy/rosalina, I will automatically assume you are some kind of toddlercon pedo and will go out of my way to target you in a race
>slots
go back to smash bros
it would be cool to get more spinoff guys
would love Paper Mario, I mean c'mon Mario Kart GBA literally had the Paper Mario 64 Bowser Castle sprite in the background
bring on Fawful, Ashley, E-Gadd, Poochy
Fun fact: Poochy is in the Yoshi's Island track
I love this special intelligent pup so much is unreal
Yoshi's Island isn't may favorite Mario game, but I'd say nowhere else in the franchise reaches the level of soul that it exudes.
I remember the shygals that came about during 8's dlc
Is there a count for what tracks we have left from the prefix leak? Can't remember if we have 2 or 3 GCN tracks left.
Should be 3 GCN tracks left.
One for wave 5 and two for the final wave.
Thanks. Lots of potential for GCN picks then. Could see Daisy Cruiser being a lock in for Wave 5. Then it'll either be DK Mountain or Dino Dino Jungle taking a slot, and then a surprise pick like Mushroom Bridge.
Mushroom Bridge would be such a downer though with all the city tracks we already got. Remember there's still Madrid, Athens, Vancouver, Los Angeles and Orlando left for the next two waves.
Wario Colosseum would be a way better surprise.
I thought Piranha Plant Cove's internal filename was mistaken for Orlando. Is there really still a fifth city course left?
Most likely.
Piranha Plant cove is still coming though.
Madrid, Athens and Los Angeles are probably in wave 5 to fit the summer theme.
Vancouver and Orlando will be in the final wave.
I went to check the MK Tour charas they could possibly add
Pit crew Toad (4-5 colors)?! Boomerang, Fire and Ice Bros? Fucking lame holy shit
Complaining about the Koopalings has always been nonsensical. They're reoccurring boss characters with varied designs and are connected to the main villain of the franchise.
I just want spin off characters instead of the same fucking shitty enemies we've seen over and over again
thanks for delivering picrel so i can call
a gay
This was fucking perfect for its time
No, characters having signature items exclusive to them was a mistake.
That giant banana was so op.
Yup. Incredibly solid roster for the era.
Agreed, only issues are nitpicks like King Boo not looking closer to his Luigi's Mansion design
anyone want to create or join a Ganker 200cc lobby?
Any datamines for what characters we'll get?
No but apparently we are getting a DKC track and PP Cove, so Diddy and Petey are in
Because they're cooler than that retard Jr.
i don't like them, they give me sonic OC with down's syndrome vibes
What are some cars that you just wonder why they exist. Who looks good riding a giant sneaker?
Shy Guy, plus makes sense for them after Shy Guy Toy Box chapter in Paper Mario
does anyone actually give a fuck about Larry out of all koopalings? I've literally only seen people use him because no one else uses him and aside from that I would say that doesn't reflect on anyone actually caring for the character
They gave him an alt for christmas last year, so I guess somebody likes him.
He's still the Mario of the lot.
he's literally the only one to get an alt in Tour, someone on the dev team must like him
Every Koopaling except Larry and Wendy is great (a great design)
Post your favorite character and kart.
https://mk8dxbuilder.com/
DK
ATV
whatever big wheels I use, I forgot
I literally only care about the character and the look of my ride
For me? It's gotta be Toadette. RIP Magikruser you were the realest.
I think that's what I usually go with, not sure on the bike
For Build 1 I use Green Shy Guy, for 2 I use Red
Based shybros
Started playing as her ironically. She got me good results so I never really switched back to my old mains from previous games. Still a waste of a slot.
I switch between blue, light blue and black shy guy
>baby rosalina
>pink gold peach
>tanooki mario
>cat peach
>three animal crossers
>two inklings
>link
>but somehow the koopalings, classic and beloved mario characters, are the problem
oh I forgot to list metal mario as well, no reason for him to be a separate character instead of a skin
fuck you i always pick lemmy
Tezuka (The Mario style guide/mandate guy) likes them because they were in Mario 3 and he made that game, same reason they're in every other middling-to-terrible mario spinoff he produces (Paper Jam, insert early access shovelware sports game here)
so what characters are guaranteed in
expecting
>diddy
>pauline
>kamek
>nabbit
>kirby