>Mario & Luigi series is dead. >Paper Mario will never be an RPG again

>Mario & Luigi series is dead
>Paper Mario will never be an RPG again
>Mario & Rabbids proves there is interest in sharing IPs with talented devs
>Square Enix continues to make great strides in classic-style JRPGs with Octopath, Bravely, Triangle Strategy, etc
Is it time for Super Mario RPG 2, bros?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Genogays killed any chance of this ever happening.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Atleast paper mario had 3 decent games
      Not just 2, Bowsers Vore Fetish was fricking garbage and full of gimmicky shit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      no it didn't?
      if anything the geno autism only served to show that there's actual interest in a potential sequel. waluigi fan autism didn't get waluigi removed from the series, so why would it be different with geno?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >if anything the geno autism only served to show that there's actual interest in a potential sequel.
        You are assuming that Genogays were Mario RPG fans to begin with.

    • 1 year ago
      Clubabubba Caveman

      I finally played through mario RPG and was stunned with how underdeveloped Geno was and how much everyone loved him. Mallon was way cooler

      >if anything the geno autism only served to show that there's actual interest in a potential sequel.
      You are assuming that Genogays were Mario RPG fans to begin with.

      More like GenoCIDE!!!

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Play fangames.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Name one good Mario RPG fangame/romhack. The ICU Gigasoft games don't count.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Sages was pretty fun

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://pricklypeargames.itch.io/pomao-scales-a-spire

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I like this kind of early development things where only placeholder assets exist yet. But holy shit make the damage calculation more satisfying. Seeing the enemy lose a hp when my guy is already moving back to his side feels extremely unresponsive.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            thanks for playing, I'll loop back on that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Mario RPG Armageddon. It even fixes the battle music by using the area background music in battles save for certain key battles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's pretty autistic, but I kinda appreciate it for that.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fangames have no soul.
      If they did have soul then the creator would've reskinned their characters to make the game into their own property. The reason they used licensed characters is because they know their game would have no value otherwise.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Fangames have no soul.
        Neither have the last three Paper Mario games.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A lot more soul than this shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Origami King has no soul
          listen to the battle music themes of that game and you'll understand why this is absolutely false

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So then if a fangame had its own original music that was good it would have soul?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It would if that original music was also specifically created for that game.
              But then it would be even more offputting to know that the creator decided to go with licensed characters instead of making the whole thing an original product and letting the composer's talents go to waste like that.

              removing recognizable elements and reskinning them into """original""" creations solely for the sake of being different is objectively soulless.
              fangames regardless of quality are objectively soulful because they're made out of an appreciation for the work they're based on.

              No. Inspired original works are soulful because they're made out of an appreciation for the work they were inspired from.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No. Inspired original works are soulful because they're made out of an appreciation for the work they were inspired from.
                that's not how it works
                making a fanwork is effectively saying "I love this series and I want to see more of it, I don't care if I can't profit off of it"
                making a cheap """original""" knockoff is saying "I want to make a copy of this game, but I also want to be able to monetize it later down the line, so I'm going to reskin it to be just different enough that I can't be sued"

                which one sounds more soulful to you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the latter, yes.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you know what soul actually is

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, I don't, sure. But I made

                https://pricklypeargames.itch.io/pomao-scales-a-spire

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >making a fanwork is effectively saying "I love this series and I want to see more of it, I don't care if I can't profit off of it"
                No, making a fangame is saying "I have no respect for the original creators of this series and I want to pretend like I have a better understanding of where this series should go than they do. Let me take over."

                Making an original inspired game is saying "I deeply appreciate and respect this series and want to see more games like it. Here's my own attempt at that."

                The latter is more soulful by definition. You have no understanding of art appreciation if you think otherwise.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No, making a fangame is saying "I have no respect for the original creators of this series and I want to pretend like I have a better understanding of where this series should go than they do. Let me take over."
                ?
                so by your definition it's perfectly fine and soulful to make a fanwork when the original creators are no longer involved with their respective series and/or the series is long dead?
                >Making an original inspired game is saying "I deeply appreciate and respect this series and want to see more games like it. Here's my own attempt at that."
                how is this not a phrase that can be applied to a fangame? you're making a game that is similar to the game you like either way, the only difference is that you're either making it take place in your own interpretation of the same universe or you're not. if there's a passion to make it an enjoyable experience, then it is soulful

                not to say you should never make something original, but if you're making by all means a carbon copy of the same game and doing nothing original but flipping the assets because you think that it's all you need to do, you're not making a "soulful" original work, you're making a knockoff.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you put a lot of words in his mouth

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >so by your definition it's perfectly fine and soulful to make a fanwork when the original creators are no longer involved with their respective series and/or the series is long dead?
                No. The series should ideally stay dead if the original creator is no longer involved in it and didn't state that he wanted others to continue the series.

                >how is this not a phrase that can be applied to a fangame? you're making a game that is similar to the game you like either way, the only difference is that you're either making it take place in your own interpretation of the same universe or you're not. if there's a passion to make it an enjoyable experience, then it is soulful
                An original inspired game CAN take place in the same universe as the game it's inspired off of, at least in the creator's mind. Mother 4 is a good example of this. It's a fangame in name only. All of the characters/assets are completely original, and it may as well be an original IP that just happens to be named Mother 4. The creators intended for it to be in the same universe as Mother, but it's doing so while putting out a completely original creation that doesn't encroach on the legacy of any of Itoi's creation. A non-canon in-universe sequel that uses its own original characters/assets like this is the only way that a fangame can be "soulful". Most fangames are not like this however.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I can't even pay attention to the battle themes with how god awful the combat system is.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Are the simple puzzles really filtering you that hard? That's embarrassing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I like how if you go into the game files you can find a legit combat system that they were working on.

          What a joke.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I mean nothing but oops all toads in the audience should show you they don't care anymore.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        fangames/modpacks only work for certain genres.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        removing recognizable elements and reskinning them into """original""" creations solely for the sake of being different is objectively soulless.
        fangames regardless of quality are objectively soulful because they're made out of an appreciation for the work they're based on.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I decided to finally give the rest of the M&L games a shot and they’re great
    Initially felt indifferent when they died since I only cared for SSS back then, but now I’m really sad and feel stupid for not buying them till now

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I bought Dream Team on release because I was a massive tendie but never ended up playing it. Got Paper Jam for my wife and also never played it. Played SSS, PiT, and BiS just fine and liked them. Are DT and PJ on par with Bis?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        PJ is pretty weak but I thought DT was fun and soulful
        I liked everything about it more but the pacing is offputting at times
        PJ still plays well though, and both have the best bosses

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I liked Dream Team a lot but it gets a lot of shit for having a lot of tutorials and being really long for M&L standards. Most of the games are like 20-25ish hours while DT is somewhere in the 40s. It is a little uninspired since it was trying to be BIS 2.0 but its still fine.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I felt like Dream Team did well by making Bowser the villain all the way through. In Superstar Saga he was possessed, and while he was technically the final boss in Partner’s in Time the story was resolved at that point. Bowser’s Inside Story makes him a protagonist, so having him be the one who uses the new antagonist instead of it being the other way around was refreshing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I think it was a logical progression too, and him acknowledging Luigi at the end was wonderful
            My problem is a personal one and I find it hard to take him as seriously as other antagonists
            Always thought antasma could come back post dream team but that’s also a dream at this point

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I really liked DT because of Luigi's character development.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Unfortunately it's one of those series that peaked with its first game, though it doesn't have any actual bad games at least. Bowser's Prostate Exam is really overrated but still good.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like that SSS, and DT around the same I think
        SSS might win out due to nostalgia and if DT were paced better I’d like it more than bowsers since I didn’t care for bowsers gameplay as much as the bros and I think the bosses gameplay over world and 2D sections were more entertaining

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The sequels are not bad but most people get tired of playing the same shit over and over and after bowser's inside story it felt like they started it playing overly safe on top. And then they only started remaking their most popular games which was playing it even safer.

      Either they should have made a RPG of another nintendo serise like zelda or they should have done something new with mario and luigi which was a bit risky and more interesting.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Never gonna happen.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's time for the Mario & Sonic RPG made by Atlus, actually

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This fake screenshot almost gave me a heart attack. Frick you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds like a fricking mess.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, It missed it's opportunity.
    As much as I'd love to see the world of my favorite video game again, unless they get the original crew, it'd just be ruined by the very real mandate and have lame gimmicks slapped on.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      look at this trailer and tell me the mandate is real

      >inb4 nintendo doesnt apply the mandate to western productions because... THEY JUST DONT

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no, you look at this game and tell me the mandate isnt real

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          that game just proves tanabe is a fricking Black person

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            but tanabe didnt came up with the mandate, he's just another corpo asslicker, the head of all is miyamoto and as long as he's in charge mario wont pass from toads and statics again

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wasn't the reason they only used mainline characters because they wanted to focus on the "crossover" aspect (i.e. WOAH MARIO AND PAPER MARIO IN GRASS LAND BUT ALSO PAPER GRASS LAND)?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Read

            Mario & Luigi died so that Paper Mario can be a REAL RPG again, that why Nintendo didn't buy Alphadream.

            Reminder that this stared off as a Hamtaro game and only became a Mario game shortly before it's E3 showcase because the North American rights to Hamtaro were in limbo and Nintendo didn't want to deal with the legal hell clearing the rights for that region.

            This was from the Gigaleak, not just from Resetera.
            [...]
            They will not.
            [...]
            Yes they did, the Square half did.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Mario & Luigi died so that Paper Mario can be a REAL RPG again, that why Nintendo didn't buy Alphadream.

          Reminder that this stared off as a Hamtaro game and only became a Mario game shortly before it's E3 showcase because the North American rights to Hamtaro were in limbo and Nintendo didn't want to deal with the legal hell clearing the rights for that region.

          This was from the Gigaleak, not just from Resetera.

          I am torn on this.
          On the one hand, I want a new Mario RPG.
          On the other hand, modern Nintendo would likely frick it up!

          They will not.

          Square Enix did not make SMRPG.

          Yes they did, the Square half did.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >and tell me the mandate isnt real
          When will you tards stop blaming your mandate boogieman and realize it's Tanabe doing that shit?
          Mario Odyssey released within two years of Paper Jam and was filled with 'mandate' breaking shit.
          The new Mario movie is breaking 'mandates'
          Or are you going to pretend that somehow these things are exempt from your mandate?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the mandate isn't real, it's just that nu-paper mario is a sovl black hole, especially considering the only nu-paper mario game around at the time of paper jam's release was sticker star

          god i really fricking hate what sticker star has done to this game and paper mario in general

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Reminder that Sticker Star was supposed to be a Nisekoi game but was reskined into a Mario Game at the last minute because Intelligent System's original pitch for a 3DS Paper Mario was too much like 1000 Year Door.

            Thats why Chitoge was in the Wii U Mario Maker.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Donkey Kong, a Mario character, uses a power up?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Are you joking? Everything we've seen from this makes it look like mandate: the movie. Totally sterile and with the impact of a wet noodle.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Peach has an active role
          >Whacky species appear instead of sterile red Toads, Goombas, and Koopas
          >Enemies are allowed some degree of individuality (eyepatch Koopa, for example)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Please, do continue.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think you understand why the mandate makes people upset

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you know your head from your ass. You know Peach was playable in that piece of shit 3D World, right? And I wouldn't consider slapping an eyepatch on a generic mook "individuality."

                I didn't notice any of these "whacky species" you're talking about either. Show me.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Play Paper Mario Sticker Star if you want to understand the Mandate, you no game playing gaylord.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why the frick would I need to play that piece of shit to understand the mandate? I've seen enough of it already. Still waiting on those "whacky species."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Watching instead of playing
                average_v_poster.jpg
                Dont post in threads you don't understand shit about

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE BAD GAME TO UNDERSTAND IT
                Nah.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sticker Star came out in 2012, and there were plenty of other games since then that disprove the existence of the mandate.
                The truth is just that Sticker Star was rushed. That Miyamoto article was just a way of avoiding admitting that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the wacky species thing is definitely false, but there being any sort of individuality in crowds whatsoever is already a significant plus over whatever the hell is going on in paper mario

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna need a little more than a single eyepatch to prove that this movie hasn't largely fallen in line with the mandate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how about chunky kong being in it? or does he not count?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Love that guy. Why would he count?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Damn dude, anons sure do get quiet when you ask them to explain their reasoning.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't they already announce they're setting up a DK movie?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i could believe we'd have a DK movie brimming with soul and kremlings and we'd still have people scream mandate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why? I don't remember anyone complaining about a DK mandate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                because people lump DK into mario when its continent for them and separate them when it goes against muh mandate, look at

                Donkey Kong, a Mario character, uses a power up?

                for an example.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A single anon. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be nearly as big of a debate as you think it is.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He counts along with Swanky and Kiddy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks the movie has the same freesom as the games

            No fricking shit the movie has more freedom, that doesnt magically absolve all the shit the games went through (and will continue going through).

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ignore him, he still hasn't answered my question as to what "whacky species" were shown in any of these trailers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hollywood israeli mandates outrank Nintendo mandates.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >look at this trailer and tell me the mandate is real

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Even if the mandate didn't apply here but use is this for me who likes video games and not israelite Hollywood productions?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any good fan games for paper mario?
    Like stuff that isnt just a mod with stronger enemies or something but new stuff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I remember some guys on gamefaqs banded together to make a new PM game, but I dunno how far they got. I know they had a battle demo.
      >https://papermarioflash.proboards.com/
      Oh its been dead for over a decade. Shame.
      I'm working on a text based PM fan game right now where you make up a team of 1-3 characters and fight through a custom roster in the Glitz Pit. You make the moves with the same specifications as in game and it'll get assigned a corresponding FP cost. My friends and I used to do this on gamefaqs, we had a few seasons. It was very fun.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No but there are some in development.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that really ceases my desist

      • 1 year ago
        Santa Claus

        Who the frick cares about fan games?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ehh, itd be all zoomed out, giant ass seamless connected world with no level map or dreamy map song

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SE hate the guts of miyamoto since SMRPG, this is never gonna happen, and if by any miracle it gets greenlighted you can bet your ass motherfricking Tanabe is gonna be in charge of the project and will end up being shit

  10. 1 year ago
    Santa Claus

    I am torn on this.
    On the one hand, I want a new Mario RPG.
    On the other hand, modern Nintendo would likely frick it up!

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Square Enix did not make SMRPG.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Chihiro Fujioka, director of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has said that he'd like his final game to be “another Mario RPG if possible
    I remain hopeful. SMRPG is my favorite game of all time. OF ALL TIME.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I finally played through mario RPG and was stunned with how underdeveloped Geno was and how much everyone loved him. Mallon was way cooler

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like a lot of people got onboard the Geno train because he represented the best chance of any recognition of SMRPG. The game holds a special place in many people's hearts. Mallow is a much better character too IMO but I'll take any SMRPG nod I can get

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >great strides
    dunno bout that one chief

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    M&L is SMRPG2. AlphaDream was literally founded by the SMRPG team who didn't like the homosexual direction Squaresoft was headed.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SquEnix relationship with nintendo isn't as great as it used to be.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Octopath
    >Great
    Square gets no passes anymore. They had a small thing going with Bravely 1 and while I like Bravely Second, the censorship and lack of bug tweaks (it is still possible to soft lock on ultra bosses with auto battle and wrong job selection) showed how little they cared or even learned from the firsts success. This isn’t the 90’s, Square and Nintendo by themselves can’t make magic happen. What makes you think together they’d fair any better?

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm currently playing through TTYD for the first time and not only is it far too easy, it also feels like it's padded out since there's so much back-and-forth running involved.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      TTYD is overrated, 64 is the superior Paper Mario game

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Based. TTYD is just a rehash of 64 with tons of backtracking added.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Is 64 any harder though?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on what you consider harder.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Focus more on badge points, don't try to be a "gotta have equal stat spread" guy since a lot of TTYD's strengths come from the equippable badges later on in the game.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Square Enix b***hing that none of their AA JRPGs are selling as well as they want
    >SMRPG not on Switch Online yet
    If they aren't going to announce both this summer, they're idiots.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Between FFXV, Forspoken, and their upcoming NFT project, I'm not sure how you don't already consider them idiots.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the idiocy is on nintendo in this regard, considering they're apparently only capable of porting a couple of roms per month at best to their glorified emulators

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Those are their B and C games, their AA and A games are on PS5, just like their AAA games.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think paper mario 64 was a good sequel despite creating its own sub series that overtook it until the gba games revived it

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Enix continues to make great strides in classic-style JRPGs with Octopath, Bravely, Triangle Strategy, etc

    Fricking KEK

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SE has gone full moron with their obsession with NFT, give up.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love how one of the bosses is just a giant wedding cake that has inexplicably come to life and no explanation is ever given for why and how.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did anyone else feel that Sparks of Hope missed on every beat that Mario RPGs tend to have? It felt like a shitty fangame at time, very flaccid execution. For some reason people hate TOK, but that game hits every single Mario RPG beat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It had the same problem as the previous M+R game, with Beep-o and Jeanie hogging the majority of the cutscene time, and the characters you're actually playing as just being there in the background acting silly.
      Bowser had some decent lines when he first joined your party that reminded me a lot of SMRPG, but nothing much after that.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's fricking over for Mario RPGs, most you'll get from now on is sticker star 4-63

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Uhhh...

      Mario & Luigi died so that Paper Mario can be a REAL RPG again, that why Nintendo didn't buy Alphadream.

      Reminder that this stared off as a Hamtaro game and only became a Mario game shortly before it's E3 showcase because the North American rights to Hamtaro were in limbo and Nintendo didn't want to deal with the legal hell clearing the rights for that region.

      This was from the Gigaleak, not just from Resetera.
      [...]
      They will not.
      [...]
      Yes they did, the Square half did.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry to say you seem to be overdosing on copium

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't know what the Gigaleak is.

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