WHAT THE FUCK? After beating TOTK i went back to beat ganon in BOTW and Zelda mentions that ganon has reincarnated many times throughout history which means she is talking about other zelda games. Ganon in TOTK however was sealed by the first king of hyrule for ten thousand years until his hand was removed in the current events of the game. This is such a massive retcon
>BUT…ZELDA MEANT BEFORE THOSE TEN THOUSAND YEARS
TOTKs flashbacks show that ganondorf originated ten thousand years ago during the discovering of hyrule instead of ocarina of time
Why the fuck did Nintendo retcon zeldas line in BOTW? That line makes absolutely no sense with TOTK existing and the devs just forgot zelda ever said that line
>caring about story
>in a nintendo game no less
Go back to r3ddit
Goddamn, you Nintendo soimorons need to grow up.
People have cared about Zelda lore since before your whore mother made the mistake of not swallowing gay
Frankly ywnbaw, zeldoid chud
>incapable of argument
>obsessed with trannies
I rest my case
>Needing a counterargument against >hurr durr adhom
So... this... is the power... of the 75iq tablet chud... breathtaking... wow
>Still obsessed with chuds
Just admit you're a gay anon.
Time to sink to your level:
Not an argument, bro.
Also, quit obsessing with fags. Just admit you are one.
I am. Just like you want to fuck chuds. Glad we agree.
>Why yes, I am a gay, so by calling me a chud, you just be a chud. Checkmate.
kek, stupid tabletfag lol
Good job, anon. You can pull out that buttplug as a reward now. Mommy says you can.
Zelda lore enthusiasts aren't people and deserve to be shot. Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about Zelda's story, they've literally said they make the games first then come up with some bullshit after.
>mfw nu-Ganker unironically doesn't care about vidya lore.
You know what? Fuck y'all! Ima go back to e-boiposting. This place deserves to burn
They should at least maintain consistency for a direct sequel. That's not a very high standard.
They have already instantly retconned as to what Zonai themselves were.
In the BotW they are a war-like tribe of savages from Faron's jungle, Nintendo then completely changed and up ended that by making Zonai into rabbit, goat, dragons that came from the fucking sky and were in reality not some barbaric savages but highly sophisticated with very advanced technology.
Yeah, Nintendo is just full on retarded.
Which isn't surprising because there is zero fucking explanation where the fuck all the Sky Islands came from, like why the fuck weren't they present in BotW.
How the fuck has no one, not even the Gorons discovered the Depths and told everyone about it over the course of 10 000 years.
Or where in the hell was Zelda in her dragon form in BotW?
>Or where in the hell was Zelda in her dragon form in BotW?
Way above the clouds, too high for anybody to see. That's not that complicated to figure out.
>Way above the clouds, too high for anybody to see. That's not that complicated to figure out.
>y-you just couldn't see it bro
Maybe take Nintendo's cock out of your mouth and realize that Nintendo is full of shit and they did not fucking bother at all when writing this story.
Fucking SS has better, more coherent and less contradictory story for fuck sakes.
I'm not denying SS' story is better, but "WHERE WAS THE DRAGON WE EXPLICITLY COULDN'T SEE THE WHOLE TIME" is not the gotcha you think it is. You need to do stuff to even find it in TotK, it's not just 'hey new dragon is just there now'.
>it's not just 'hey new dragon is just there now'
except you literally see it as soon as you start the tutorial zone
Which is way above any point you ever got to in BotW. Alternatively, it came lower down when the Upheaval occurred. There's a bunch of obvious answers.
Why are you bringing up botw when you said that about totk?
I meant the basic requirement to see the Light Dragon is "be really fucking high up". You cannot get that high up in any intended way in BotW, ergo you can't see the Light Dragon at any point during BotW.
You go very high up when you fight the devine beast.
At least 2000m
Dragons in BotW came from above but werent literally always visible because they came from above the coiud barrier. We see the cloud barrier dissolve at the start of TotK. Light Dragon was always above the cloud barrier.
>Or where in the hell was Zelda in her dragon form in BotW?
She wasn't. She only appeared when she first went back in time, It's paradoxical loop. Like the 'crop circles' symbols that just appeared. As soon as Zelda went back in time for the first time this loop was created and these things just appeared out of nowhere
>shed her tears when transforming in the past
>suddenly they're there in the future
>way above the clouds
She was render_distance+1 units away.
Lomai are not Zonai
The labyrinths were in fact built by the Zonai, TotK confirms this
It’s obvious that the Zonai tech was originally going to be Sheikah and at some point they rewrote the story around them instead, that’s why the Purah Pad is still around and works with Zonai “shrines”
Ganondorf breaks the sky "seal" yous ee the Dragon's use in BotW
probably a translator fucked up, every ganondorf is always the same guy, but every zelda and link are always new ones.
Link's case is weird since its all supposed to be the reincarnation of the guy from Skyward Sword while Ganon is literally sentient seethe from some loser who has done nothing but lose for all eternity
But then in TP Link meets his own previous incarnation
And in WW they specifically say that this link absolutely is not a reincarnation at all, he's just a kid who grabbed the sword and beat Ganon for stealing his family (and did so harder than any other Link in the entire series, because the guy who kept reincarnating fucking sucked)
WW Link is also a reincarnation, he’s just not the Hero of Time/the Hero of Time reborn like what everyone assumed would happen when Ganon returned
Him only reappearing to aid his era’s Zelda is proof of this
They specifically say he's not. 100%. No ambiguity.
The only thing they say is he’s not the Hero of Time, because he isn’t. You have to remember fans assumed that “Hero of Time” was a title that applied to all Links due to him being a hero that reappeared over different centuries, Babur he’s just as much a product of destiny and fate as all the other Links are. Even if he’s not blood related to OoT Link, he’s still likely connect to MC or Four Swords Link
They don't actually, ganondorf says the opposite. I know what scene you're talking about but if you pay attention to it you'll realize the people saying it (jabun and the king) don't know what they're talking about because they're from the era of when the hero of time was worshipped and they thought the same hero of time from oot would return to save them, they don't know about the spirit of the hero or anything, just the hero of time. That's why Jabun literally asks "is this the hero of time", we know it's not the hero of time, the hero of time was just a guy
>"the hero of time"
>only known as this because he got put in gay baby jail to become strong enough to wield a sword, doesn't actually have time powers
it's a very silly title.
He then went back and forth in time with the temple of time/master sword stuff, so he had that.
And then in MM he could actually time travel.
they wouldn't know about any of that from their perspective, it's linear for them.
Link is less a reincarnation. It's more just "the spirit of the hero" that arises in somebody. WW Link has the spirit, but he's not chosen for the Triforce of Courage like others were, so he proves himself and finds it instead.
I prefer to think of it as a mantle the hero rises up to meet. Some Links have more help though, like TP.
and every single time "hero" has the same, name, wears the same gay clothes and looks the same
Every Link sans TP has to prove themselves for the Triforce of Courage
>And in WW they specifically say that this link absolutely is not a reincarnation at all
They don't actually, that's just a headcanon based on a misreading of the game
>some loser who has done nothing but lose for all eternity
>And in WW they specifically say that this link absolutely is not a reincarnation at all
Not a reincarnation yes, but he does have the Spirit of the Hero.
The whole point with getting the 3 pearls and then raising the Tower of the Gods was to test Link.
It was a test for him to see if he is the hero, to get the master sword, power it back up with the sges and and then the last part is when Link has to reassemble the shattered triforce of courage.
That is when he truely becomes the hero of the Goddesses and they accept him.
The different Links are not reincarnations of the same person in the sense that they have the same personal identity. This is the kind of reincarnation (metempsychosis) found in Greco-Roman polytheism, but reincarnation in other religions (gilgul in Judaism, moksha in Hinduism and Buddhism...) is not about the "person" reincarnating, but a certain aspect of who or what they are.
It is not the "person" of Link, in the traditional Christian sense (the "individual"), that reincarnates. Rather, the various Links are different persons who however share the same spirit of the Hero. Link in WW starts out as a regular guy because the spirit of the Hero is literally gone from that timeline, and it has to be forged anew so to speak. Link in TP has the spirit of the Hero, yet not all of it until the ghost of OoT Link fills in the rest. If Gramps in ALBW is indeed ALttP Link, same thing there.
They're not the same person, individual, but they are empowered by the same spirit that makes them the Hero of their time. It is in this sense that Link reincarnates.
WW link has the spirit of the hero as well, he's just like the other links
He earns it just like SS Link did.
That's a nice headcanon to have, but it's not canon and don't spread it as such
Then don't post nonsense lile
All of them earn it by doing whatever results in them being Link and going on an adventure in a game you play.
The game, see
It's a fan theory based on dialogue between two people who the game explicitly frame as not knowing what they're talking about (by the fact that they literally believe the false defied myths of the hero of time from the intro), yet people treat them as the word of god. They don't know about the spirit of the hero, all they know about is the false legends around the hero of time.
the game in no way frames them as not knowing what they are talking about and rather frames them as knowing what they are talking about
They literally think the same hero of time will from oot return to save them, if you believe that then you're a stupid fucking retard as well
obviously not because in that scene boat king says he's not the hero of time
Yes as in he’s not literally OoT Link
He’s still a reincarnation and part of the cycle
Now how about Zonai Master Sword mural weilder?
Is he part of this Spirit? Does this make him a Link or is he unrelated?
>But then in TP Link meets his own previous incarnation
iirc rather than meeting his previous incarnation it's more like his memories and feelings from a previous life being manifested within his mind as that.
The game says nothing
The only thing with story that comments on it is the manga, which says the absolute opposite and isn't canon anyways
Sorry, i forgot my source. But it definirtely wasn't the manga,
>TotK has bad writing
Reminder both of Zelda’s ancestors die with no mention of a descendant meaning the royal family bloodline shouldn’t even exist at all
>well they have an unmentioned unseen child offscre-
That’s still bad writing if it falls on the viewer to make up an explanation the game never even hints at
>OMG NOT THE ZELDA LORE
how much soi are you chugging to give a shit about zelda lore.
Zelda's biggest mistake was trying to go for a solid timeline at all.
but they never tried, just released a shit book and decide to pretend none of the previous game ever happened for BotW.
Wrong, it is still in a fucking book but they had asked this question either in Nintendo Power or the strategy guide for OoT (I’m old and would need to dig to find them) they had a loose but equally bullshit time line. OoT started it then MM, then the Oracle games, then Zelda, then Zelda II, Links awakening happening inside of Zelda II when you had to cross the large body of water to get to the 4th dungeon. The series ending was LttP, with the arrow finally killing Ganon’s immortal spirit. Then Minish cap came out and was placed before OoT. Then more sequels came and so they did the Hystoria to retcon it again. They really should just say it is a legend and people tell it differently instead of whatever the hell they are doing now.
Actually there is nothing wrong with this you just need to be consistent and stay within the bounds of the overarching plot. It’s not like these are incredibly complex stories so it’s fascinating they can’t even do that. Like, why didn’t they make intertwine the plot into previous games plots? Why make up everything anew with each game? It’s just so strange and nonsensical. Fan theories online by schizos connecting everything together post BOTW were better than the shit Nintendo is putting out. They get reincarnated…oh wait no they don’t, Zelda is hylia reincarnated, oh no she’s actually not, she the ancestor of a goat man. It’s a confusing mess that gets worse with every release. It almost feels like an AI is randomly creating these Zelda plots based on just rearranging Zelda themes in the context of marketing research into things kids like and toys they can sell and they just reboot it with every game release. The plot of Zelda is turning out to be absolute garbage.
Hyrule has been founded numerous times, anon.
this, there has been a first king of hyrule like 4 times
Hyrule was found at the end/after Skyward Sword. The only time hyrule was found again was TOTK in which there is nowhere to put the game in the timeline because the retcons have changed hylia/ganon. TOTK technically rebooted the game but it makes no sense since zelda mentions ganons reincarnation from previous games
Hyrule was never shown being founded after or during SS.
Doesn't SS' epilogue literally show Hyrule being founded?
No, it shows them settling. The books are the ones thst say they founded the kingdom, but those books also say Holodrum is a parallel world and Termina is a dream
Termina being a parallel world or dream or something I can kind of see, even if MM is my favorite Zelda.
But didn't Impa and Zelda physically travel on horseback to Holodrum and Labrynna or something like that? Link got sent via the Tri-force, sure. But Impa and Zelda just hoofed it and made it there.
Yes, that's why is retarded that it's canon
Hyrule was found again after WW during Spirit Tracks
handheld games aren't canon
>The only time hyrule was found again was TOTK
You foolish fool.
Because the ones blessing it decided to let the fucker literally made of seething anger and fury have a fair shot at things rather than just nuking him out of existence repeatedly.
Adversity makes a nation stronger. Evolution is an arms race. Peace and decadence is how you end up with the modern era. Hylia is smarter than that.
Wow I thought some people on Ganker would actually know their lore. AGES before Skyward Sword starts, Hylians had a kingdom on the surface. The fucking INTRO of the game shows you this. Hylia puts them onto sky islands to keep them safe while she fought and imprisoned Demise. There is no mention of how long the Hylians had been there, or any of their history.
Aside from Ganondorf, the biggest problem with the lore is the castle. There's a monument in TotK at the bottom of an underground tower which states that the Hylians and sages built the castle on top of the imprisoned demon king, and that it had magical properties to help keep him sealed. That's why the castle is raised by Ganondorf. I say "problem" with the lore, but this likely just confirms child timeline, since the castle has never been destroyed in that timeline. (It was destroyed in the adult timeline and replaced with Ganon's Tower).
>Hylians had a kingdom on the surface
This isn't actually supported by the game.
The only think that does is the shield and that still has fuckery with the Loftwing
What about all the ruins on the surface? The dungeons? Skyview Temple is literally an abandoned place of worship for Hylia
I'm just saying it's never said anywhere to have been a kingdom of Hyrule, the land isn't even named. There being a prior kingdom is from the manga
That's something I've learned to not think too hard about, looking for landmarks and other locations of different eras in various 3D games. The geography of Hyrule is vastly different in each game. Even TotK shows this in its cutscenes, Zelda doesn't really recognize the founding landscape. It shouldn't be any surprise that any kind of bullshit happened to whatever kingdom they had.
Now this is the important part: Skyward Sword did not have a connected overworld. They can use this as an excuse to claim the castle was there somewhere, we just never saw it. I have to wonder if they did this intentionally so they wouldn't have to flesh out the lore of the "start of the timeline".
But it can’t be the child timeline since the Rito exist and the events from OoTs adult timeline are referenced
The lore is a fucking mess now no matter how you go about it, either the entire series was retconned to always have two Ganondorfs and two Zeldas or the entire kingdom was reset with parallel events from the old games occurring in the new incarnation of Hyrule
Rito can exist in other ways or they could just be different Rito, like how you get two Zoras. Not that they care.
The Rito is genuinely a retcon, I don't think Nintendo intends for them to be related to the Zora anymore
They never did. You can see how they conceptualised them in the artbook. They even had the WW look for a while before they decided to base them all on Revali
How come Hyrule is such a blessed land but it keeps getting fucked up every time?
i genuinely did not know this. that explains so much. thank you
Dont' ask questions. Just consume product and then get exited for next product.
I clapped, I CLAPPED when I saw the Redditlettermedia reference! XD
You ok there anon? Do you disagree?
Nintendo never wanted to do the timeline in the first place. It was only after a few games did certain things pop up like in Zelda 1, Ganon is defeated and in Zelda 2 people are trying to revive him so it must take place later in a "timeline" while LTTP mentions that Ganon used to be a human named Ganondorf and OOT showed him so that means that it takes place earlier in the "timeline".
She says calamity ganon
>instead of ocarina of time
Different Ganondorf, like FSA.
>Electronic toys have shit writing
>Children's game has even shittier writing
>80's franchise retconned to hell and back has the shittiest writing
Yes. If you only knew how stupid you sound whining about this.
who are you quoting
It's not a quote, anon. I'm outlining the root causes of what he's actually complaining about.
>Ganon in TOTK however was sealed by the first king of hyrule for ten thousand years until his hand was removed in the current events of the game
Which takes place after all the other games.
The Hyrule from 10k years ago is not the first Hyrule.
Wiki and zelatubers have said it's after SS
>Wiki and zelatubers have said it's after SS
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Holy shit, you're not only stupid but also a huge gay.
But still correct
>The Hyrule from 10k years ago is not the first Hyrule.
Prove it with ingame evidence that it is in fact a completely new Hyrule different to the one being found after SS by Link and Zelda and rest of the skyloftians.
>Ganker complaining they didn't turn Ganondorf into Abby from The Last of Us
This board has fallen.
>video game "lore"
fuck off ironic tourists
It doesn't get much more pathetic than caring about story in a video game like TotK. If it was a RPG or something then sure but come on, man. I respect people that watch porn for the plot more than video games.
/videogames/ moron. LEAVE.
Exactly you stupid fuck. Video games, not story readinv time. I don't need a plot reason to go strap a bunch of bullshit to a log and ride it around.
Make me you limp faggit
every single attempt to create a narrative through-line between the series has made it worse. who cares, just pretend they never published that gay ass timeline
>Ganker is so stupid they don't understand the timeline even though Nintendo has outright told you that BotW/TotK takes place so far in the future that every other Zelda game is forgotten myth at best and the timelines are inconsequential to the current Hyrule because of how far in the future it is
You fags did play other Zelda games right? You fags know that Hyrule as a country, a kingdom has not existed in the same form from start to end.
This, I always took Hyrule as a sort of Rome, it lasted so long that Rome in the middle of it's existence was nothing like Rome at it's beginning or end.
The past flashbacks are thr first kingdom of Hyrule
No, it's the founding of THIS Hyrule.
No you have no evidence of this.
We have more people on our side
Yes anon that's the founding of BotW's Hyrule. But that's not the first or only Hyrule.
Wiki says otherwise
You failed before even beginning.
>Ooh noo not the wiki! The wiki edited by people who are never wrong! Aiyeeee save me moronman!!!!
You mean the wiki managed and written by fans?
The same wiki read by secondaries like
and is spread everywhere by retards
>the old hyrule ackchually dieded, and Rawru founded another one
Ok, fucking prove this shit then.
Because until there's a full in game unvague piece of information stating that old Hyrule died completely 100%, this will remain as nothing but fanfiction.
Nah, not everything needs to be explained to you anon. It's irrelevant.
You prove otherwise. I don't have to 'prove it' because it already makes sense like this and its what have been said about the setting now officially.
We see it in the game.
The depths are filled with artifacts from past games. The Zonai mined the depths.
The games before BotW take place before the Zonai. The implication is that the past games is archaeology tier.
This is, unfortunately for you, false and you are coping very hard.
Those are mere references because I don't like them.
>You prove otherwise. I don't have to 'prove it' because
Ok, so you have fucking nothing and you are talking out of your ass.
And only reason why you believe this is because you personally like the idea, which is irrelevant because you are appealing to your own emotions.
No, you're talking out of your ass. I have logic and official Nintendo word on my side. Sorry!
nintendo also said Termina was a dream created by the skullkid, when nowhere in the game it was mentioned.
I fucking hate when they pull the veil like that
no, nintendo never said that.
I skipped every possible cutscene in TotK, what are you doing paying attention to that schlock?
It made the final boss fight a happier experience for me.
Happier? Do you mean enjoyable?
it's a game for kids, they seem to have given a lot of characters amnesia that even botw happened just so 10 year olds who didn't play botw six years ago can feel involved
zelda lore sucks donkey dong anyway, not sure why it's so important to some adults that they can recognise a reference and clap at it
Remember age of calamity?
The 12 DS and 3DS games?
Well there's your reason
Why would Wind Waker ganondorf be the TOTK ganondorf? WW Ganondorf seemed tired of everything
>All of BotW/TotK takes place after everything else, including the founding of a new Kingdom, staying consistent with BotW.
>BotW/TotK takes place after everything else, except the founding of Hyrule which is post Skyward Sword, pre Minish Cap
Contradicts Gerudo ears, Rito and Zora, Ganondorf and is retarded
>All of BotW/TotK takes place after SS only, splitting off and forming a three game timeline
>All of BotW/TotK takes place in a new universe and is a full reboot disconnected from everything that came before outside of references
Pointless and wrong
>All of BotW/TotK takes place after everything else, including the founding of a new Kingdom, staying consistent with BotW
Contradicts Rauru's temple of time getting replaced by OoT's temple of time after it goes into the sky, unless you're seriously arguing that there's a third temple of time that somehow has even more ancient architecture than Rauru's since it looks very similar to the OoT one
Face it, TotK's past is Hyrule's founding and its Ganondorf is the first Ganondorf
>since it looks very similar to the OoT one
The easiest answer is an old design was carried over from a long-lost Hyrule.
Which is a nonsensical answer because nobody from back then would have known what the fuck the OoT temple was since they're all wearing fucking caveman warrior clothing and they were familiar with Rauru's version
The Temple of Time in Twilight Princess is completely unlike the other ones so there's at least three.
I think it's pretty obvious by now that there's multiple Temples of Time
OoT Temple of time doesn't even make sense being there with what happens to it in TP where its even more decayed
There are multiple Temples of Time as seen in SS, BotW even has a cathedral in Hyrule Castle Town that matches up with the location of the Temple of Time in OoT and is separate from the one on the Plateau
Not to mention, the Plateau Temple of Time is missing the giant cylindrical chamber at the back that houses the Master Sword.
Cool theory but here's what the game says:
BotW's cathedral on the great plateau is the temple of time, not anything in the castle town (even the king knew about it)
TotK's past is the founding of HYRULE, not some new kingdom or Hyrule 2.0
Hy fucking rule
Even Zelda is shocked to learn more about Hyrule's origins and early history
Anything else is headcanon
Except that doesn't make sense with so many other things being ancient history even to the Zonai. A Hyrule was founded. It wasn't the first one, because that just doesn't work.
>with so many other things being ancient history even to the Zonai
The Depths, which show clear connection to OOT/TP with the guard ghosts, for example.
The Master Sword.
Rauru or Sonia doesn't know of it and neither does Mineru who actually gets to see it.
Fucking Zelda has to explain the properties and functionality how the sword works and how it can possibly kill Ganondorf.
Which is fucking weird, because Zelda and her father knew of the sword and its function, because it has been passed down the generations through the Royal family, who are the descendants of both Rauru and Sonia.
The exact fucking people who are the fucking FOUNDERS of the Kingdom and the progenitors of the entire fucking bloodline.
Never mind that the Master Sword is probably the 2nd most important relic in the series after the Triforce, which is also weirdly absent, so it is fucking bizarre that they do not know of this.
The whole point of the Master Sword is that it exists to kill Demise and his subsequent reincarnations, aka Ganondorf.
>The Master Sword.
>Rauru or Sonia doesn't know of it and neither does Mineru who actually gets to see it.
>Fucking Zelda has to explain the properties and functionality how the sword works and how it can possibly kill Ganondorf
Consistent with MC and FS then. The Master Sword was unknown between SS and OoT.
>The Master Sword
Not from Hyrule, and in fact it's from pre-Hyrule
Hyrulean founders not knowing what the Master Sword is makes perfect sense and just further proves that TotK's past isn't some new Hyrule, it's Hyrule's founding as explicitly stated
TotK's is a new Hyrule, it's completely incompatible with Skyward Sword's story.
No it isn't retard, Hyrule isn't founded by SS Link and Zelda
They just go to the surface to live, nothing says they founded a kingdom together
You are a braindead retard. TotK depicts a Hyrule that doesn't know what the Triforce is and instead is all about muh stones. Post-SS, pre-OoT Hyrule is fucking obsessed with the Triforce to the point where vicious battles broke out over it.
>the descendants of Hylias reincarnation founded the kingdom
Holy shit it was there all along. It literally says here SS Zelda wasn't the one to found it
No idiot, post-SS pre-OoT Hyrule spans several eras with their own histories and encompasses a massive period
What I said stands, TotK's Hyrule is when it was founded
It wasn't founded by SS Zelda
>What I said stands, TotK's Hyrule is when it was founded
Nope, Hyrule was founded by Hylia's reincarnation, Princess Zelda. I never said it was SS Zelda, you keep saying that. I said SS is incompatible with TotK's flashbacks which is true.
>Nope, absolutely FALSE.
>The triforce is sercured by Rauru after he builds the Temple of Time to seal the sacred realm.
Which is before Hyrule was established. TotK doesn't depict Rauru the Zonai being aware of the Triforce whatsoever.
At least try and use Historia
That is the Historia.
I know I just wanted more spoonfeeding
I never realised even back then SS Zelda didn't found thr kingdom
It's princess Sonia now chud
>Which is before Hyrule was established. TotK doesn't depict Rauru the Zonai being aware of the Triforce whatsoever.
Because he just fought wars to secure it and building the temple of time. Why bring attention to it after the Era of Chaos?
Yea correct, the Era of Chaos. BEFORE the kingdom of Hyrule was established.
Which was never stated to be built by SS Zelda and Link. Sonia is SS Zelda's descendant.
Your pic literally says it was founded by Hylia's descendants, not Zelda
The bit about Zelda being a reincarnation of Hylia was an aside contained within commas you ESL retard
TotK literally says it was founded by Rauru who also built the temple of time
No contradictions there, only your headcanon says BotW/TotK's Hyrule is a new one
It says that Zelda is the reincarnation of the goddess Hylia, which would also be her descendent. Because it's relevant to bring up the person who established Hyrule. In your dumbfuck version of events, we now have two Raurus at once (since them being the same is too retarded and even more inconsistent), one who is the sage of light who for some reason doesn't help imprison Ganondorf in TotK's past but comes back to help in OoT.
>Because he just fought wars to secure it and building the temple of time.
Rauru in OoT isn't a Zonai so no he didn't. Rauru the sage was not Hyrule's king. You just created a massive plothole in him not using the Triforce when Ganondorf was kicking his ass. Plus OoT Rauru lived in the Sacred Realm, in the Temple of Light after he built the Temple of Time so your shit's just all fucked up.
Proof it's a reboot
King Rauru is named after the man who sealed the Triforce
Great, so where was OG Rauru when TotK's memory scenes were happening? Why didn't he help fight against Ganondorf? He was the sage of light all the way up to OoT after all.
He was locked in the temple of light with the trifroce.
Yet he doesn't so much as send out his owl form to help anyone out or use the Triforce to btfo Ganondorf, or find someone who can use the Triforce to btfo someone who is clearly enough of a threat to be a danger to Hyrule.
So? You're looking for holes that don't exist
Concessions accept, glad to see this retarded theory can't stand up to credibility.
Your whole argument fell apart to be based on Owl not appearing lmao
Your argument can't even decide if Rauru and the Zonai are the same person or one's named after the other, that's how much of a fucking mess it is.
I already said the King is named after the man.
The Zonai King should know what the Master Sword is since that's what was used to seal the Triforce. But he doesn't. Because he isn't of that era's royal family.
Says the fanfic writer. I accept your concession.
You're coping now
>You just created a massive plothole in him not using the Triforce
Triforce is a much more dangerous weapon for Ganondorf to have than the sacred stones, why risk showing him it exists.
Not really, he could've easily helped out by sending out his avatar to find someone worthy of using it to prevent Hyrule from going to shit. There's also no reason for the Triforce to be secret at this point considering there were just massive battles fought over it since people clearly know about it.
>There's also no reason for the Triforce to be secret at this point considering there were just massive battles fought over it since people clearly know about it.
This is AFTER the era of chaos, people forgot about the triforce specifically because Rauru hid it to prevent more wars. That's why we don't see more trifoce drama until OoT.
The same Rauru that used the Master Sword as a seal in the Temple of Time despite not knowing what it is in TotK?
Why not? Rauru didn't know what the sword was when he first met Zelda, that doesn't mean he doesn't become familiar with it later. Especially while he's a spirit but probably even before that.
Hmm, given the master sword is now in play for travelling through time with Hylia (of any of her descendants), it's generally a moot point to debate where how or why it was enshrined anywhere.
It isn't a moot point. The Master Sword was in the Temple of Time after Rauru built it up until Link pulls it. Besides, the point is that Rauru the Zonai should know what the Master Sword is since Hyrule Castle was built to guard it and the Trifroce, right next to the ToT.
Right, but that Rauru is not the Rauru from TotK, it's a Hylian sage eras after. It's not relevant to TotK at all.
the same goddamn picture you posted? From a book Nintendo wrote?
What are you talking about? Rauru the hylian is a sage of light, sharing his namesake with the original king (also a sage of light), who lived thousands or tens of thousands of years earlier. Are you somehow confusing OoT era with the beginning of the timeline?
>Rauru the hylian is a sage of light
He existed long before OoT. He is a spirit during OoT.
It think you're getting confused here. Furry King made his temple first.
Yes, he did. That's the one we see in TotK, the Zonai ToT. The hylian ToT was built long after, by a different (or same depending on your headcanon) Rauru.
That conflicts here
>the Zonai ToT
>the hylian ToT
>What are you talking about?
Christ. Just read this image:
>Yeah but that doesn't all have to happen in a linear fashion.
Yes it does, that's how it's presented in the book. They even go on to say ON THAT VERY PAGE that Hyrule Castle was built by the Temple of Time when Hyrule was established as a kingdom to protect the Triforce. Meaning TotK's Rauru would know what the Master Sword is.
Yes, the Triforce, not the Master Sword. Maybe Rauru doesn't start messing with the Master Sword until way after the fact.
Anyway like I said I'm pretty sure it's either a retcon or a reboot. There aren't two different Raurus that both fulfilled the same general role when Zonai Rauru would have no way to even learn about or be named after Hylian Rauru. They're the same individual and this is Nintendo's attempt at an origin story for Hyrule.
>Zonai Rauru would have no way to even learn about or be named after Hylian Rauru.
Sonia told him. My headcanon is just as valid as yours,
>Yes, the Triforce, not the Master Sword.
What are YOU even saying now? Rauru the Hylian sage would have to predate the Goat Man, if they aren't the same person. Because before Hyrule was founded, Rauru the Hylian sage built the Temple of Time, with the Master Sword inside of it. You're claiming Rauru somehow came years after the Goat Man which is impossible.
>There aren't two different Raurus that both fulfilled the same general role when Zonai Rauru would have no way to even learn about or be named after Hylian Rauru.
Yeah, in a series rife with reincarnation, with multiple Impas fulfilling the same roles, multiple Talons, multiple Syrups, etc. it is utterly inconceivable that there might be multiple Raurus separated by a gorillion years of time.
>You're claiming Rauru somehow came years after the Goat Man which is impossible.
No, that was a different anon. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe they're different people. Maybe they are and the Zonai is a reincarnation, but to coincidentally become the Sage of Light AND build the ToT is pretty big.
I don't really see what's hard to believe about that considering the parallels between Ganondorf in TotK and OoT and even the people who insist that TotK's flashbacks are before OoT acknowledge they're two different people (one is just underground).
>even the people who insist that TotK's flashbacks are before OoT acknowledge they're two different people (one is just underground)
Not quite, they're saying that the other Dorfs come from TotK Dorf's leaking malice like Calamity Ganon did. There's a connection there, and a clear explanation for why Demise would reincarnate into Dorf who then suddenly reincarnates as the same being (Dorf/Ganon) over and over.
These two Raurus would have no connection to each other if they were different beings, and the similarities are so striking they might as well be the same person.
So where's the connection that there's always an Impa that protects Zelda in some way? Or Tingle? Or Syrup? Jabu-Jabu? Who all perform the same roles.
Not even the Impas have as many similarities as these Raurus, Tingle is a one-note side character who doesn't actually do much like Beedle.
Anyway let's wait for Hyrule Historia 2.0 to clear the air until it gets contradicted again by a different game.
The similarities in the Raurus are overstated on your part. They both establish Temple of Time, yes, but they each service different functions, one is a Zonai goat man and isn't even Hylian who is also a king whereas OoT Rauru was never king, just a sage who turned into a NEET in the Sacred Realm.
They established the ToT and are the Sage of Light. They were around for Hyrule's founding. They share identical names. They have an owl motif. Doesn't seem overstated to me.
We also don't know very much about the "Hylian" Rauru from OoT, he's presented as a mysterious figure even in Hyrule Historia.
You know Hyrule gets destroyed before SS right? Link and Zelda founded it once more. The only possible explanation Nintendo can pull is that Rauru / Sonia's time far predates SS. There wouldn't be a Hylian ToT in SS if Sonia's time took place after it. The Zonai ToT is the original as far as we can tell.
There's zero indication that the land was called Hyrule before SS.
>Link and Zelda founded it
This isn't in the game
The Temple of Time is a fucking nothing building in TotK. There is nothing important about it.
True. It's almost as if it exists in a completely different era from OoT's.
>Right, but that Rauru is not the Rauru from TotK, it's a Hylian sage eras after.
Considering Rauru the Hylian sage predates the establishment of Hyrule as a kingdom in YOUR order of events: no.
Again, why not? That just means Rauru sealed the Sacred Realm after becoming king and learning about the sword from Zelda.
I don't understand how this is so hard for anons to grasp.
Yeah but that doesn't all have to happen in a linear fashion. Maybe Rauru built the temple of time, became king when Hyrule was founded, then used it for different purposes after he sealed Ganon and became a spirit. Nintendo retcons shit like this all the time.
I have a harder time believing that there are two Raurus that were both Sages of Light that both built a ToT even though one of them is a Zonai from a far off land in the sky and would have no knowledge of the other Rauru.
>Rauru built the Temple of Time and is the Sage of Light
That's literally his backstory in TotK lmao
Rauru's backstory in TotK was that he built the Temple of Time and lived in the Sacred Realm to protect the Triforce? Huh.
>Rauru's backstory in TotK was that he built the Temple of Time
There's a sidequest in TotK where a construct literally states this, yes. Go to the top of Rauru's temple and see for yourself.
>and lived in the Sacred Realm to protect the Triforce?
He's a fucking spirit, he can live anywhere he wants and take any form he wants.
You're the one claiming that a Sage of Light named Rauru who built the Temple of Time is a separate entity from another Sage of Light also named Rauru who also built the Temple of Time and that this is all pure coincidence.
Rauru the Zonai isn't a spirit during his time as king.
Nothing says he went to live in the ToT right after he built it or became king.
Nothing says Rauru constructed the ToT right after he became king or even while he was alive.
The ToT would have to be constructed before he became king in your argument because the Temple of Time predates Hyrule as a kingdom.
Where does it say that the ToT that Rauru built predates Hyrule?
Also, it's explicitly shown in the new games that there are two temples of time. The one the Zonai built, and the one the Hylians built.
Thr issue with this is that the one build first according to that image doesn't exist in the flashbacks
That's because Rauru and Sonia's time literally predates SS. I don't know how anyone mostly familiar with the lore could confuse the placement of Sonia's time.
>That's because Rauru and Sonia's time literally predates SS
No, this is retarded because they are ancestors ot Hylia and that means Ganondorf is the origin of Demise.
Reminder Hylia doesn't need to shed her immortal form in a linear fashion. She literally has dominion over time.
>it's the time cope again
Fuck sake this answer is for everything that happens offscreen with you.
Lmao just stop. You got fucked with Ganondorf
>That's because Rauru and Sonia's time literally predates SS
You're just making even more issues
How the fuck do you think they built the lil machine dudes in Lanayru? They're arguably using Zonai technology.
There's no reason Demise needs to be the first incarnation of the Demon King. He just sets the curse in motion.
>How the fuck do you think they built the lil machine dudes in Lanayru? They're arguably using Zonai technology.
Lmao I've been waiting for you
Oh look its this retard again.
Go on, argue it.
Argue what? I already made my case. The lore about "evil" or demons in Zelda is flimsy at best. Skyward Sword doesn't need to be a reference manual for every single appearance of what Nintendo calls the "Demon King".
Argue what you said anon, go ahead. Don't change the subject.
And that literally doesn't matter in any tangible way.
>starts with "you lost"
didn't read, cope harder.
>still refusing to argue his point
Then don't use the word anon if you're going to run
I don't need to argue something that isn't contested. You don't seem to be interested in discussing anything.
Argue it, like you claim.
Oh, you're stuck on the Lanayru robots? They have powers over time just like Rauru's secret stone. And they use le time stones. Easy connection.
That's a terrible argument
It's just an idea, as with everything in this thread. Simply one small piece of lore which could support the placement I have in mind. You seem REALLY upset over it though, take a walk.
>jaut saying its bad
This is thr classic out people deploy when they're trying to change the subject.
You're too simple.
You seem deranged, it was just something I thought of on the spot, and not at all why I originally figured SS takes place after. You're grasping at the only straw you could find. Take a break, you were hounding me for several posts about something that I didn't even know you took issue with.
Here's another calling card
>it's an idea he says after getting upset about other ideas and positing his a fact
"arguably" =/= fact. Why do you think this thread exists, you fucking retard?
Sorry, timestones in general, Rauru's was light.
This is your position?
You get more retarded with each post lol
See you next time
>And that literally doesn't matter in any tangible way.
It does if you're trying to argue that Rauru's Hyrule shown in TotK's flashbacks predates SS.
The name of the kingdom is not relevant to the timeline or plot in any way whatsoever. I don't see why you think something so unimportant as that matters.
It is relevant because there's a specific point in time when Hyrule got its name. Hint: It's not before SS.
The kingdom named after a time travelling goddess needs to be named once and only once? Wow, it makes so much sense.
>didn't read, cope harder.
No. You didn't respond because you are a massive gay that is in denial of reality. The plot is incoherent and lazy. It's ok.
I just read it now, and you didn't offer any counterpoints at all, and said nothing at all related to the lore. It was a paragraph of deranged seethe just like I thought. Fuck off special needs man
Bro your cope?
>There's no reason Demise needs to be the first incarnation of the Demon King. He just sets the curse in motion.
Dude, you lost the argument. Any reality where what you are saying is true is so astronomically stupid it's beyond even entertaining as a possibility. The story makes no sense, they are just lazy at nintendo and cared more about autistically gluing pieces of garbage together than the actual plot of the games they were making. It's pretty annoying to people who have been playing these games since the late 1980's to initially assume they are just stupid kids games to Nintendo hinting at some grand overarching plot that is coherent, thirty years later they just say "hey bro...uhhh..we uhh. Yeah. Uh. Nevermind. It's just like whatever. Dude, it's for kids. Lulz. hehehehe tee heee!", absolute storytelling gayry.
You do realize that very same book explicitly says it could retcon any of this shit at any moment, right?
Is that your cope when it comes to massive inconsistencies now?
No, it was Nintendo's. Read the disclaimer in the book.
Okay, done. I found a more plausible alternative that doesn't destroy continuity with OoT.
Okay, and your "continuity preserving alternative" means fuck-all in a series that retcons itself constantly.
You keep insisting there's a retcon but inconsistencies aren't proof. Deal with it.
Cute. I bet you think Minish Cap wasn't supposed to be the origin of Link's green cap.
It is. Hero of Men didn't have one which means it wasn't tradition until MC
Yet the Hero of the Sky which predated the Hero of Men had it.
By thousands of years, yes. It didn't become a tradition. Its that simple.
>Link's cap is as important as upending the entire series of events leading up to OoT
You mean events from a book that warns its own readers not to take those events too seriously?
link's hat having an origin story is retarded even if minish cap is a cool game.
I think you're talking about the Zelda Encyclopedia.
When will people realize that the Hyrule Historia is written from the perspective of a LITERAL HYRULEAN HISTORIAN trying to make sense of history? And that Historians can be wrong?
It's why everything is written in a speculative matter and why Masterworks includes shit like "Oh maybe the barbarian tribe are Zonai" only for it to turn out that the Faron tribe were just Hylians copying Zonai architecture in TOTK
No one cares about that knee-deep non-committal bullshit, that's why. People don't excuse your bad fanfic with multiple contradictions because it's le up to le interpretation.
>Hyrule Historia is written from the perspective of a LITERAL HYRULEAN HISTORIAN trying to make sense of history? And that Historians can be wrong?
I didn't know historians could see what happened in other timelines.
>When will people realize that the Hyrule Historia is written from the perspective of a LITERAL HYRULEAN HISTORIAN trying to make sense of history?
Wow, how many different levels of cope have I read in this thread? It's truly fascinating. Some of you apologists are trying to say it all is coherent and running your rationalization hamsters to explain in the most convoluted ways how it could possibly be true with time travel and with Ganon preceding Demise, some are saying it never was meant to be coherent even though a coherent timeline hinted at as far back as 1991 and explicitly stated in interviews in 1999, now you are saying the Hyrule Historia can be inaccurate and was written by people in Hyrule.
Just give up motherfuckers. The story is lazy and stupid. Nintendo should be criticized about this because if we don't criticize them they will continue making lazy and stupid stories. It's not out of hate, it's out of love. We pay them assloads of money, they should be able to hire a coherent and talented writer to tie everything together neatly and in a way that is satisfying. It's unacceptable for the people at Nintendo to keep reversing themselves and changing their minds and doing lazy shit.
Zelda was originally intended by Miyamoto to be a "star system" like with Mario (until Aonuma fucked with it). Where the they used the characters as a group of actors in different and unconnected settings (Like how Osamu Tezuka reused his characters in different stories that clearly didn't happen in the same universe), which explains things like the Zelda of the first game not appearing on Zelda 2, because on that version she plays the role of sleeping Zelda.
this is the most retarded thing i've read on this board
Miyamoto is like that. He did it with Mario and back then intended to do it with Zelda.
I think the initial intention was just to make a game about a boy rescuing a princess, but as time passed they lazily explained how this could happen over and over again with different stupid explanations until they gave up with BOTW and TOTK. It's that simple. There isn't anything more complicated to it than that. Anyone who thinks it was never meant to be connected in the first place is wrong. Anyone saying the Hyrule Historia was not an actual official attempt to explain everything coherently is wrong. Anyone saying that it all makes sense if you sprinkle in the magic of time travel and timelines and whatever is wrong. It simply does not make any sense, there is nothing coherent about this. Literally the plot is lazily written. That's the simple explanation. This is the end of the discussion because every single motherfucker in this thread knows that what I am saying is true. To everyone rationalizing this shit just stop. It's an entertaining game but the plot is just complete trash.
Finally someone fucking said it.
BotW and TotK are absolutely retarded and shit all over the previously established things for no fucking reason.
Nintendo really does need to get its shit together, if the next fucking game is going to be another dogshit BotW/TotK open world horseshit with no proper dungeons and filled with shitty shrines, with just as retarded story, it has truely hammered the final nail into the zelda coffin.
I hope to fucking God and everything holy we'll get some actual traditional Zelda games again.
They fit just fine at the end.
Yes, he's right, the lore was never intended to connect perfectly. It's just fun to try to make sense of it, which is something most people seem to have forgotten. Nintendo will make token efforts to connect them, but they don't care much if at all about consistency.
Rauru never met Link until he gave him his arm but you're telling me he pierced the ears of The hero of time and put white tights on him as he slept for 7 years?
Rauru knew that wasn't the Link Zelda was referring to, it wasn't her era yet.
Different hero, Rauru knew that.
>Post-SS, pre-OoT Hyrule is fucking obsessed with the Triforce to the point where vicious battles broke out over it.
Nope, absolutely FALSE. The triforce is sercured by Rauru after he builds the Temple of Time to seal the sacred realm. Then for Minish Cap and Four Swords don't have any triforce drama. In fact we don't see it again until OoT. It makes perfect sense that the TotK don't bring up the very thing the Kingdom Of Hyrule was trying to keep secret after the Era of Chaos.
>Nope, absolutely FALSE. The triforce is sercured by Rauru after he builds the Temple of Time to seal the sacred realm.
Anon, Rauru built the temple after the Interloper war, you know the group that tried to take ownership and command over the triforce.
Ie. the people who got then uber fucked by the Golden Goddesses who pulled a Yu-Gi-Oh and literally sent them all into the shadow realm.
>which is also weirdly absent
I think the Triforce is still there, the characters just doesn't know of the Triforce's existence. It's just Zelda sealing magic now. She had the full Triforce in BotW when she awakened her sealing powers and nuked Calamity Ganon right? And then it left her, but they never knew it as the Triforce.
The sword had to be placed in the pedestal to aid in destroying Demise. It's not unusual to think SS Zelda and Link ensured it was locked away in the sealed grounds for centuries to ensure it couldn't be used. It wasn't refound until OoT.
You are not wrong, i just think there are reasons the sword isn't present if they happened to cope and say this is actually the sequence of events.
>The sword had to be placed in the pedestal to aid in destroying Demise.
It didn't, Fi at the end of SS fucking confirms that Demise is already fucking dead and that his remnants have already started to decay within the sword.
Only reason why Fi jumped into the sword was because her role had been fulfilled, her job was done.
She is an automaton that was obeying her programming that was created by goddes Hylia.
Then why shove her in the pedestal at all? Did you play the game? She has to be put in there to finish the job.
>Then why shove her in the pedestal at all?
Because that's what always gets done with the Master Sword in every game.
It even happened in the Twilight Princess.
Master Sword is just a tool for the hero to use, once his job is done and complete he puts it back and that's that.
It is the reason why you always find it standing in a pedestal in every game pretty much.
Link actually keeps the Master Sword at the end of BotW. First time it's happened I think.
Didn't last very long though
He puts it back between games
It literally gets fucking wrecked by Ganondorf's Gloom and then Zelda takes it to the past to let it restore itself for 10000 years in her dragon head.
What don't you understand about what I posted?
No, Link 100% did put it back between BotW and TotK.
There's the "memory 1" where both Link and Zelda are at the Deku tree in the forest and Link pulls the sword out of the pedestal.
Here's all of the memories, they are all in order.
The video is timestamped.
Well shit you're right. I even got all the memories but I forgot that part
Nah he didn't put it back, he still had it in the ending cutscene
>in between games
He picks it up at the start of Tears.
You are massive retard
Says the biggest retard ITT.
>so many other things being ancient history even to the Zonai
Nothing remotely implies that and even the most ancient shit in the depths is zonai related
Hylian writing from the time was so ancient that nobody could decipher it yet the writing in BotW that mentions Ruto from OoT is still legible to the average layman
If TotK was the refounding of Hyrule or a new Hyrule it would have mentioned that, it doesn't
The fact that a name like Rauru was reused means any of the mentions of old Zelda names can be new characters not related to the incarnations we know. Hell, the unnamed champions in TotK are probably all named after the old sages going off of the Rauru connection
Or OoT Rauru is just named after the first king
Except TotKs backstory doesn’t work if it’s ahead of the other games, TotK Ganondorf being in a state of suspended undeath would mean no other Ganondorfs could be born, like what was mentioned in BOTW with Calamity Ganon manifesting over and over instead of a new Ganondorf. It only works if TotKs backstory happens after everything else
We have dismissed Urbosa's dialogue because it conflicts with this.
>like what was mentioned in BOTW with Calamity Ganon manifesting over and over instead of a new Ganondorf
BotW doesn't say "instead of a new Ganondorf", it just mentions a calamity happens every thousands of years and Zelda even says it took the form of a demonic beast eventually which implies the calamity was originally something else, like oh I don't know a fucking Gerudo king maybe
So all the calamities were either human in nature like Ganondorf or a beast like Calamity Ganon, spawned from the original Ganondorf's leaking malice from under Hyrule
No that was clearly a reference to OoT and everybody knows that, it even mentions other events like the sealing of Ganondorf
But TotK also depicts a group of sages potentially named after the OoT ones sealing Ganondorf
Yes but not out of the question, the helmets they wear are the same designs as the Divine Beasts meaning those could have been named after the TotK champions
It would certainly put the bed that shitty Creating a Champion shit and the Ruto stuff.
Though it is funny how there is a mural of Darunia
Yeah it's such a stretch that the game that reuses Rauru's name, reuses the Imprisoning War and even redesigns Koume and Kotake for one flashback scene might also have sages with OoT-era names.
>not said anywhere
>IT HAS TO BE
Where is Divine Beast Van Sonia
>b-but what about???
No I don't think I will.
Until its said, it's headcanon, stop acting like it's canon.
>even redesigns Koume and Kotake
Watch the flashback where Ganondorf takes a knee in Rauru's throneroom. The two green-skinned Gerudo behind him have the same sashes that Koume and Kotake wear.
Oh, huh. Makes sense, I suppose, they are vaguely presented as his more personal caretakers.
A second Hyrule is still going to be Hyrule by name
Spirit Tracks had a second Hyrule and they never call it New Hyrule, that’s just the term fans use
>Spirit Tracks had a second Hyrule and they never call it New Hyrule
Yes they do, that name is in the game
I'm almost positive that Niko is the only one to do so and he's the only one old enough to really recall. Otherwise it's called Hyrule, though it might be an American/European localisation thing somewhere.
So you concede it isn't something fans made up, it's in the game
No such mention anywhere of a "new/second Hyrule" in TotK
Because my assumption is it's just been an absurdly long-ass time since the prior Hyrule crumbled. The only reason the name is the same is because of Hylia.
You can look up the text dump, there’s no mention of “New Hyrule”
The only location that does not shift around at all throughout the games is the pedestal of the Master Sword. Anything else is the result of things moving around over centuries, buildings being deconstructed and reconstructed, and magic BS.
The pedestal shifts constantly, WW Hyrule Castle is not the same place as LttP Lost Woods or TPs Sacred Grove
WW's Hyrule is from many generations after the end of OoT, at a time when Ganondorf escaped his seal just by wearing it out over time. Hyrule Castle could have been rebuilt over the Temple of Time in the meantime.
The pedestal serves as a common and familar motif uniting the games, and it is often shown that Link put the Master Sword back in place each time, and no one is able to remove it but him. It is the same pedestal each time, it is the only location that does not change position at all throughout the hundreds of millenia the games take place over.
>it is the only location that does not change position at all throughout the hundreds of millenia the games take place over.
You're retarded if you really think this.
Literally try and prove this, you cant.
The pedestal ain't special
Explain why pulling the Master Sword from the pedestal in Ocarina of Time caused the Sacred Realm to open up
Rauru made it that way. Its not the same pedestal all through the series.
The temple of time page on the wiki is hilarious now
>>All of BotW/TotK takes place in a new universe and is a full reboot disconnected from everything that came before outside of references
Only correct take.
Nintendo didn't have a Zelda timeline until fans demanded it for YEARS. And, after fucking it up over and over, Nintendo has finally thrown in the towel.
Each Zelda is in its own timeline, except for a few games.
Not every game needs to be connected.
What Nintendo did with "BotW takes place so far in the future that all the timelines are basically one now, distant past" means that they have created a space in between BotW and TP and the other games furthest in the separate timelines where they can create infinite Zelda games.
And then they went and showed the founding of hyrule to confuse idiots
>Zelda lore enthusiasts are so low iq they don't even understand the setting and how BotW and TotK does not contradict anything
>Literally disregarding word of god on the state of the setting just to cope about some 'contradictions' that they literally made up
Mental illness tbh.
Why are they confused when the series already established more than twenty years ago that there are in fact multiple versions of Hyrule and that it is not the same Kingdom all the time?
Because it annoys you
Yes, they did that with BOTW, but TOTK contravenes that to such an extent that it breaks any semblance of continuity. Not that I care; it's worse that TOTK has bad writing on its own.
zelda has no timeline
you are a retard if you think it does
Simple. Being sealed didn't stop his hatred from incarnating into other, less powerful Ganondorfs in the meantime. (Or prevent those Ganondorfs from powering up with the triforce.) It just prevented the manifestation of the full world ending Calamity.
It's just a whole-ass different Ganondorf. Ganon has reincarnated before (Four Swords Adventures is a wholly different guy from OOT's), he's just rarely ever actually fucking died.
Right, that's essentially what I'm saying.
Big "original Ganondorf" defeated by "original Rauru" and sealed beneath the castle happened, then being sealed didn't stop Demise's hatred from finding other dudes who end up getting named Ganondorf in the meantime.
The "original" Ganondorf just sat underneath holding the ultra Calamity malice in the meantime.
The issue with this is Urbosa says that a male has not been born since the man who became the Calamity. This told us at the time Ganondorf or Ganon was still alive of course.
I'm willing to let that slide as Urbosa merely being confused 10,000 years after the fact instead of being totally reliable about everything she knows.
Making concessions for why it shouldn't all be at the end is silly when being at the end doesn't have these contradictions.
It's not hard to keep a record of when males are born, especially as its once a centruy
Too many people forget this. If the first Ganondorf was bound under the temple and no Gerudo males were born have have two been born in the interim.
Don't worry guys, Nintendo will release a new art book with new canon.
>zelda timeline fags
weeb Simp can't talk stfu
it was stated in BOTW that Calamity Ganon is an version of Ganon that has given up on reincarnation
this implies that he did try to take over Hyrule through reincarnating several times since his first body was sealed away
this game is just his attempt at taking over Hyrule by resurrecting his original body
the distant past Hyrule looks the same as TOTK Hyrule because of course they're going to save budget by doing that
>it was stated in BOTW that Calamity Ganon is an version of Ganon that has given up on reincarnation
That was just a complete mistranslation. It was basically the exact opposite in Japanese, Zelda said "driven by a desperate desire to reincarnate, he's assumed this form".
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO FUCKING SAY IT
ZELDA DOES NOT HAVE A TIMELINE. THE STORY IS AS COHERENT AS MARIO. THEY MAKE SHIT UP TO FIT THE GAME THEY WANT TO DO. THEY DO NOT CARE.
Mario has better lore and worldbuilding than Zelda at this point
QRD on his early life?
His brother broke his nose at their sister's funeral.
They coveted that timeline, i suppose.
This thread, just like this board, is lost.
LoZ lore exists to provide Link with a harem of potential wives.
I still choose to believe Hyrule Warriors fucking with time is why all the timelines seem to have converged as of BotW.
of CHILD wifes!
It literally doesn't matter.
These games have nothing to do with each other.
There's no emotional or plot important shit from game to game. This is just low tier sperging masquerading as 'muh lore discussion'
This is a game > story series.
They just make up what seems interesting to go with the mechanics and overall theme of the game.
>game has outfit options
>you are the cool adventurer Link going on a cool adventure to defeat the dark lord and save the princess
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE TIMELINE OHHHH THINK OF THE TIMELINE THE CONTRADICTIONS IT'S ALL WRONG THE TEMPLE OF TIME IN THIS PLACE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THE GANONDORF IS THE FIRST HYRULE IS ACTUALLY THE SAME AS THIS HYRULE
Lighten up, it's for fun.
Maybe the devs should make up new names for people, places and other things if they don’t want anyone to make connections
Then it's not Zelda anymore.
It's just FF and Dragon Quest naming conventions and series staples that makes up what a Zelda game is.
Fuck off brain dead cunt
The timelines exist to maximize Link' potential adventuring and villain-slaying, and conform to those factors.
To consider them as anything else is an act of madness.
>The timelines exist to maximize Link' potential
They only limit it, which is why BotW moved the series away from the timelines as a concept so they could do whatever the fuck they felt like.
I dunno anon, you got
>Boat/Mailman Timeline Link
>Spooky timeline Link
>Old school timeline Link
I feel like they were doing whatever the fuck they felt like already
There's a timeline where Link stayed with Ruto in Zora Domain and lived happily ever after
who made this? Ruto's face looks priceless like she can see Link's dick from her view.
>POV every time you lost in OoT
I never lost even once in Ocarina of Time.
>TOTKs flashbacks show that ganondorf originated ten thousand years ago during the discovering of hyrule instead of ocarina of time
How in the fuck can you think that when the Hyrule shown clearly has the same layout as in BotW/TotK? Clearly Rauru being the "founder" of Hyrule happened longer after Old Hyrule died.
Video game logic, same as Temple of time being near the castle, then a forest, then the Plateau.
SS established there's more than one Temple of Time so it doesn't matter. Even then, the flashbacks show the Forgotten Temple being the first Hyrule Castle, there's way too many inconsistencies for TotK's flashbacks to be anything other than a new Hyrule.
Except TP says it the exact same temple as OoT and BotW also says it the exact same temple as OoT
It's a magic temple, it moving or there being more than one is inconsequential compared to the incompatibility of TotK's flashbacks taking place before OoT.
Good luck arguing that for the next few years. The post SS Kingdomfags have won
So basically the only real thing people can point to is the Temple of Time
>the flashbacks show the Forgotten Temple being the first Hyrule Castle
There's even more than one temple of time in Totk, there's the one on the Great sky Island and the one that's still on the great plateau
In the flashbacks the one in the sky is in then place of the one on the ground. The suggestion here is the one on the ground in the present was made after the one that gets sent to the sky.
The one on the ground is made before OoT which suggests the sky one is made before that.
>That one shrine in the Hebra mountains that does a homage to the Resident Evil movie's laser hallway
I was like
>heh this is kinda like in- HOLY SHIT
>Zelda mentions that ganon has reincarnated many times throughout history which means she is talking about other zelda games
That's a cope you're clinging to because you desperately want these games to fit on the timeline, but she's referring to Calamity Ganon. It's said in both BOTW and TOTK that the Calamity has reappeared throughout history.
Treehouse isn't canon. The Japanese stories and lore are completely different.
Of all the games in the world to have actual developed narrative and lore and this fucking hellhole of a board hyperfixates on trite like Zelda and FromSoft Game's lore
I like Zelda lore 🙂
This is like caring about Terraria's lore
BotWTotk is its own bizarro universe with no relation to the zelda timeline. Not like nintende themselves gave a fuck about it.
Zelda games are not connected
Nintendo pulled the timeline out the ass so retards like you should shut up and stop harassing them for the correct timeline.
stop thinking about it and just enjoy the game.
>stop thinking about it and just enjoy the game.
>stop asking questions and consooom more product
Fuck off Vchud
unrelated but zelda's voice is absolutely godawful
very rare for me to switch to JP but holy fuck she is so grating
When will you autists learn THERE IS NO TIMELINE! It's like plays or comic books, over the years different writers/directors put their own spin on pre existing stories. That's all the Zelda games are, different versions of the same story. If you see a variation of Hamlet do you freak out about how it fits into to the Shakespeare Universe?
They seem to carelessly retcon everything with each Zelda game and once in a while carelessly try to tie everything together in ways that don’t make any sense. They need to decide what the fuck they are doing, Either hire talented writers to create a massive meta-plot for the whole series back story, etc, and then rigidly stick to it and hold to it with each passing game or just come out and tell fans that each game released is a reboot of the Zelda concept. Instead they try to have their cake and eat it too. They want people theorizing about the history and crap like that online like this is a tv series like LOST or GOT but they are too lazy to actually create a coherent overarching story and be willing to box themselves into that.
They're not retconning anything because there's nothing to retcon. There is no timeline and never has been. Link, Zelda, Ganon, they're just characters in a play and every game is a different version of that play. This is literally how Aonuma said he thinks of the characters years ago.
That would be acceptable logically, although pretty stupid in my opinion, since a lot of long time fans would appreciate a well thought out overarching plot, but the problem is that this logic isn’t really even coherent. Previous Zelda games made attempts to connect the plots of the games together. They came up with the reincarnation concept as well as many other historical concepts explaining how the games fit in together, and it kind of made sense in a bit of a convoluted way only until recently. There was even a book released called hyrule historia which attempts to tie everything together. To say this never was a thing is just delusional apologetics for bad writing. If they didn’t want to hint at an overarching connection they never should have attempted this in the first place and should have made no mention of reincarnation, the hero of time, etc.
Only recently has Nintendo started leaning into this idea that there's a timeline because they saw that people like that and they could sell them a book. I don't think it was intended from the start though. And the games have references too each other doesn't necessarily mean they are chronologically connected, sometimes stories reference other stories or other versions of the same story just as a little extra thing to entertain the reader/audience.
I don't think the timeline is or ever has been something the developers take very seriously.
>Only recently has Nintendo started leaning into this idea that there's a timeline
They started to lean into this shit since 20+ years ago anon.
It is not fucking recent at all.
I think it's very clear it's always been an ad hoc kind of thing and they pretty much just do whatever they want. Games having references to other games doesn't necessarily prove they're even chronologically linked necessarily. Fans put way more thought into the timeline than anyone at Nintendo.
>I think it's very clear it's always been an ad hoc kind of thing and they pretty much just do whatever they want.
No, I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either there is an overarching timeline or there is not. There is no "well, there kind of is, but kind of isn't", that's lazy storytelling, which is exactly what everyone is complaining about. We know to a certainty that there was mention of a timeline at least 24 years ago:
'"Interview". Dengeki Nintendo 64. MediaWorks, Inc. January 1999. Shigeru Miyamoto: (時オカ神トラ)それから初代ときてリンクの冒険という順番になる。 / Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, then comes the original one and The Adventure of Link in turn.'
We also, know that they mentioned this on the box art of ALTTP where they refer to the hero's as "predecessors" of (the original) Link and Zelda from the original Zelda. And we also know that in the original instruction manual of The Adventure of Link the Zelda he is rescuing is an earlier princess Zelda from another time period, which seems to fit in neatly with the concept of the reincarnation plot. See: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAASE.pdf
We also know that the OOT Link was mentioned as "The Hero of Time" in games that followed and books trying to straighten out the mess of a timeline.
> Games having references to other games doesn't necessarily prove they're even chronologically linked necessarily.
Except that they were mentioned as literally chronologically linked repeatedly for decades in the games and by Shigeru Miyamoto.
> Fans put way more thought into the timeline than anyone at Nintendo.
You are absolutely right about it...Which is exactly why it's bad writing. You literally are explaining the issue people have with this and yet don't seem to understand it at the same time, which is bizarre. It's like you are in denial of reality.
>I don't think it was intended from the start though
>Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to 1
>LttP is a prequel elaborating on Ganon and the Triforce
>LA is a LttP sequel
>OoT is a prequel to the prequel where we see Ganondorf turn into Ganon and Hyrule is at its peak
>multiple sequels branching from OoT like MM, WW, TP, etc
>SS is yet another prequel focusing on the Master Sword
The only games that feel disconnected or hard to place on the timeline are the Four Swords titles because they were designed as spin-offs first and foremost, and frankly shouldn’t have been included in the timeline
Even then, Minish Cap is a prequel to Four Swords pretty explicitly.
And then Link Between Worlds is a distant sequel to LttP, and Triforce Heroes is a direct sequel to LBW (somehow).
>Only recently has Nintendo started leaning into this idea that there's a timeline
Holy fucking newfag
> Only recently has Nintendo started leaning into this idea that there's a timeline
Are you a zoomer or something? WTF are you talking about? The loose timeline thing has always been around. After Z1 came out Z2 was literally the same character. When ALTTP came out it was fitted into a specific timeline, and further
confirmed with OOT:
See pic related on ALTTP.
Read the below quote:
> "Interview". Dengeki Nintendo 64. MediaWorks, Inc. January 1999. Shigeru Miyamoto: (時オカ神トラ)それから初代ときてリンクの冒険という順番になる。 / Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, then comes the original one and The Adventure of Link in turn.
This was in 1999 that an official sort of meta-timeline had been established. That's like 24 years ago that this was officially established and arguably further back in 1991 when it was released in Japan and they referred to ALTTP Link and Zelda as "predecessors" of the original Link and Zelda. It does use the word "sequel" but that's just because it wasn't hip yet to use the word "prequel" in 1991, people just called whatever followed the "sequel". In any case, the overarching timeline was ABSOLUTELY established during OOT, I was very into these games back then.
> I don't think it was intended from the start though. And the games have references too each other doesn't necessarily mean they are chronologically connected, sometimes stories reference other stories or other versions of the same story just as a little extra thing to entertain the reader/audience.
You're just wrong. It's a nice theory and perhaps you could say this about Z1 and Z2, but even those were directly connected to one another and mentioned an ancient princess Zelda that Link was saving, not the original one from Z1. This really isn't a recent thing dude. It's only recent that they are saying "who give a fuck, we will just do whatever we want".
I forgot to attach the picture of the box artwork from ALLTP.
Anyone who has ever taken the Zelda timeline seriously needs to drink bleach.
There is an overarching timeline though, we know this because every game in the series mentions past events as background lore
Now the smaller details DO get retconned and shouldn't be taken seriously, for example the Minish Cap is supposedly the origin of Link's hat but then SS contradicts that
But there is a general timeline
>mentions past events
Just references meant to entertain the audience. There is no timeline, Nintendo only pretends there is one now because they see all the discussion it generates they are 100% just fucking with you though and will continue to do what ever the fuck they want in each game while going
>Oh yeah bro there's totally a timeline, it's all planned out bro we have a secret lore bible in the office and we check it over all the time bro
It's fun. And that's part of the gameplay—trying to put the pieces together, knowing you're adventuring in the same locations but centuries or millenia apart, etc. is there to give purpose behind gameplay, considering it's an adventure game. Speculating about the timeline is fun for the same reason collecting coins in Mario is fun.
That's why the locations from SS turning up physically in BotW was pretty cool.
Zelda canon is as strong, well-established and consistent as Evil Dead canon
None of you guys saw the Light Dragon in BotW?
I did. People here though are poor and mostly emulate without finishing games.
>myths and legends
>Ganon in TOTK however was sealed by the first king of hyrule for ten thousand years until his hand was removed in the current events of the game. This is such a massive retcon
>>BUT…ZELDA MEANT BEFORE THOSE TEN THOUSAND YEARS
>TOTKs flashbacks show that ganondorf originated ten thousand years ago during the discovering of hyrule instead of ocarina of time
Yes...and? The one during the founding of Hyrule is the original.
If you watch the memory called "A show of fealty" you can literally see YOUNG Kotake and Koume (they're wearing sashes with their names on them, which they wear on their head as old ladies) by his side.
The same ones that would later be Ganondorf's surrogate mothers. You'd imagine that they were trying to incarnate a new Dorf after having served the original.
The TotK Koume/Kotakr have pointed ears while the OoT ones are round
Ganondorf having round ears was 100% intentional, so I'm going to say it's an oversight since Nintendo probably just reused the Fem Gerudo models.
They gave them unique hair though. It's an odd oversight.
Ganondorf is stupid and they should should've never had kept using him in the first place. Ganon as a malevolent reoccurring entity that used to be a human called Ganondorf who periodically awakened and wreaks havoc on Hyrule made so much more sense.
>It's another "20+ year old man seethes about the lore of a mass marketed children's Nintendo game" episode
It's interesting to notice how Link is only ever summoned once every other option has been exhausted and things are on the brink of being mega-fucked.
It is particularly tragic for the Hero of Time. There's a sense of lost and melancholy to his triumph. After everything he has endured, even after coming back in time, he can come back home. He cannot be a Kokiri again. So Zelda sending him back in time so he can enjoy his unspoiled childhood is not possible in the first place. On top of that, nobody will remember him as a hero who saved the world. He is destined to wander the world, living with regrets from being unable to pass "lessons of his life to those who came after him".
Spirit Tracks Link is a mailman.
I thought this was stupid. OoT Link went on to Majora's Mask, which was another journey in another world where he's constantly carrying on dead people's legacies. There's no way he could come out of that having involved himself in every one of those stories going on and not learned a single lesson from them, nevermind think that there was nothing in the world for him when adventure can be anywhere.
Those people were all fake though.
And? He went through the experience, he should learn the lessons. Same as Link's Awakening being in the Wind Fish's dream, that Link still went through all that.
OoT/MM Link coming out of all of that as a regretful fight-hungry retard instead of someone who would join and thrive in any community that he'd make flourish.
>fight hungry retard
There just wasn't anyone in his time he knew could use his skills, that's all. The regrets over not being renowned is book nonsense, same shit that calls him a ghost on one page and stalfos on the next.
That's still a dumb regret to invent for the Link that has the most personal experience in helping people get over regrets, to somehow make his only one being about not teaching swordsmanship to anyone to the point that he becomes undead to do so.
Wanting to help people of the future too is not a bad thing at all. He is so selfless he wants to aid those after him.
Stop saying it's regrets, it isn't.
>Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those who came after. At last, I have eased those regrets.
He straight up says it's regrets. It's the only thing he's doing with his afterlife, and as he's doing it he's huffing his own farts hard.
>You may be destined to become the hero of legend...but your current power would disgrace the proud green of the hero's tunic you wear.
You fucked it
You're retarded but that's okay.
>Link wants to keep helping people even after death
This dude is based as fuck anon
Ignore the books, they're full of crap.
This is the single line he has about regrets
>Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those that came after. At last, I have eased my regrets
All he wanted is to ensure people are prepared, and he does exactly that by giving Link the skills he needs to save both Hyrule and the Twili. I think he is a pretty cool guy.
Why? Why's that an issue, exactly? You just say it's dumb, but just because you have experience in helping others move on doesn't mean he had any opportunity to do so himself, ESPECIALLY since his proficiency with helping others was to fulfill their lingering regrets.
In the end, Link was a warrior. He fought to save the world multiple times over. And he ushered in an era of peace where warriors weren't necessary, the dream of any who fight. But he still had his pride and wanted to have someone inherit the supreme techniques of a hero, in case they were ever needed again.
Because nothing points towards it. He doesn't spend his life training, he wasn't raised for it, he doesn't pursue it between games, he doesn't go out of his way to improve it through the game. He's a forest fairy kid thrust into the world to fix problems, and come MM his motivation is finding his fairy from OoT. As far as the only thing that's in his backstory and personal initiative that isn't purely reactionary, the most obvious regret he should have should be Navi-related.
If there was a Link where fighting was central to them, I'd expect it to be BotW Link. They have journals describing him as early as 4 years old accompanying knights on expeditions to neighboring kingdoms, beating other knights in swordsmanship, covered in cuts and bruises from fighting monsters. A detail like that would make sense for someone who's sole regret is passing on sword techniques.
>Because nothing points towards it. He doesn't spend his life training, he wasn't raised for it, he doesn't pursue it between games, he doesn't go out of his way to improve it through the game. He's a forest fairy kid thrust into the world to fix problems, and come MM his motivation is finding his fairy from OoT. As far as the only thing that's in his backstory and personal initiative that isn't purely reactionary, the most obvious regret he should have should be Navi-related.
You're speaking to his spirit after he's lived a long life, anon. Of course he wouldn't have time to build such regrets when he's a child. But when he's an adult, and still the peerless, world-saving hero only now without enemies to fight or inheritors in need of training, what's he going to do?
Termina has been a dream world for years now thanks to Encyclopedia.
It also stopped existing when he left lol
You fundamentally misunderstand why he is in TP
Anon, the only thing he regrets in TP is not being able to pass on his skills. It's still a noble purpose
Hylia was reborn as SS Zelda retard.
SS Zelda was Hylia. She didn't found the Kingdom and thr thing you posted proves it
revealing that you care about the overall lore of the Zelda timeline is revealing that you're a fucking idiot. It's a goddamn LEGEND. It's not supposed to be consistent.
Let's rename the series to the Very Accurate Historical Accounts of Zelda, then.
anons should I deliberately try to find all the memories in order or does it not matter
Yes, in order
isn't that tedious
Then don't do them, I'm not your mom
I feel like it's worth it
Do them in order.
>Zelda mentions that ganon has reincarnated many times throughout history
Wasn't that specifically about the calamity ganon?
No, Calamity Ganon was created from Ganon's refusal to give up on reincarnation
The implication being that Ganon was reincarnated in several different forms, not just the demonic one from BotW
No, treehouse's translation was that he gave up on reincarnation
The japanese line is that he refused to give up and therefore spawned a mindless beast
Guys what if every Zelda is a reboot and they aren't all connected despite popular belief
BotW and TotK are reboots, the old Zeldas are more connected
ToTK in general is a massive fucking retcon but whatever. Gave us short haired Zelda bunda
skyward sword was the first game in the series, or was supposed to be
so thats where the endless cycle of reincarnation starts right?
but if ganondorf existed when hyrule was first founded, which seems to be before skyward sword, then the cycle existed even before skyward sword created it?
i mean, totk already has weird time loop shenanigans going on so idfk whats going on anymore
They DO NOT CARE about the timeline. Each Zelda game is made without consulting it AT ALL. This has ALWAYS been the case.
Why do you retards come in pissing in the wind with this shit. No one here cares about that, its a funnel for autism to talk about something that doesn't matter because people enjoy it
Why do you care about the timeline this much then, just stop being obsessed
The thing that was sealed by Raru was Demise "The Demon King".
how was demise sealed before skyward sword, which takes place after the founding of hyrule, yet we fight demise in skyward sword even though totk is supposed to be when this demon king was unsealed for the first time
Zelda lore is high art, this thread just doesn't get it
I hate these comics so much, normalfags get the rope
>This turned out so much better than I ever could have imagined!
Honestly, that's just a phrase that sticks to me, I keep unconsciously bringing it up and forgetting the source is this.
I always think back to that comic since that's genuinely the plot to Hyrule Warriors and that just makes it funnier.
Like it's not even "Ganondorf does this specifically to cause untold chaos", he mostly does it because it'll fuck things up a bit, but then it's "Oh wow that went SO well for me".
did anyone ever say oot dorf is the first dorf? retcon is not a problem.
>TotK fans unironically don’t give a shit about either lore or plot about “masterpiece”
The flashbacks in TotK happen after Skyward Sword. OG Ganondorf, who is the curse promised by Demise, is sealed. His malice is too strong for the seal and slowly seeps over time. It finds a suitable host in OoT Ganondorf, who either is himself also immune to permanent sealing or keeps coming back as Ganon. Even when he dies in the child timeline, a third Ganondorf simply shows up later in FSA.
The reason this kept happening was because of the OG Ganondorf being sealed under Hyrule. In TotK he breaks free and resumes his original plan to take over. He turns into something like Demise precisely because he is the actual curse of Demise, while the classical Ganondorf and Ganon are derivated from him.
Link killing his dragon form serves as a bookend for the previous games so that the series can start fresh (which is the whole point behind BotW and TotK). With the OG Ganondorf killed, the curse of Demise is annulled and they're free to use a new format for the next games that won't involve yet again Link and Zelda being reincarnated and Ganon(dorf) coming back to wreck shit up.
>there was a second Ganondorf I flee the castle the whole time!
This is dumb as fuck, especially since OoT Ganondorf destroys the entire castle and has lava pouring out from underground. I guess that all happened to miss TotK Dorf? What a shitshow
Under the castle*
This terrible lore is affecting my ability to type
I'm not who you're replying to, but I think that previous Ganondorfs could have existed at the same time as mummydorf. You could say it's just a husk without life, that is compatible with the demon king's "soul" or whatever. Until Rauru releases it, that soul could have occupied any other male Geurdo who was born, / another body for Ganondorf.
But Urbosa says not males have been born at all since the King who became the calamity
Well yeah, there's no Ganondorf between 10k pre botw and totk. What we can clearly glean from the lore / timeline is that Ganon is selective as to when he reincarnates, or whatever factors decide that.
This means OoT Ganondorf cannot be born if Tears Gabondorf is still alive and like Urbosa says, none have been born since Tears Ganondorf
It's impossible for him to be the first Ganondorf.
You fucked up
Because of the wiki and Zeldatubers. Due to them, the SS Kingdom narrative is everywhere now.
i cant believe zeldatubers are a real thing
this peace is what all true warriors strive for
I've said this in another post, but you could think of mummydorf as a vessel. In its sealed state, it is lifeless, or without a host soul. Until released, it's just a potential body for Ganondorf / the demon king.
But thay doesn't work with what Urbosa says, right?
You'll have to give me the quote, I don't have it memorized.
I have to find it, it keeps being up fanfics
Urbosa wasn't referring to Tears Ganondorf.
She was, even King Rhoam does.
BotW and TotK happen so long after the other games that the rest of the series is distant legend at best. The events of OoT, TotK's flashbacks and FSA could easily have been simplified as a single thing in the Gerudo people's memory.
>any new game comes out with any criticism from people
>immediate handwaves with "le who cares about the story/gameplay/optimization/etc. being bad"
>without fail this is guaranteed to happen
Total consoomer and shill death.
I realized something lads. Hylia has technically been present whenever, and wherever was necessary in the timeline. She did the exact same sort of time travelling things Zelda does in TotK. Rauru tells Zelda she has power over both light and time. All of this means Hylia could have been aware of the entire timeline, intervened where she saw fit, and eventually technically sheds her immortal form to live out the timeline as the royal bloodline.
Yes, this was already established in SS. But Zelda having both time and light powers were meant to show that she has Hylia's powers (Time is associated with her) and Light being from Rauru (AKA the Lightforce which I'm very happy Nintendo actually distinguished the two because that was a bit of a lore mystery. Not too suprising as Fuyibayashi introduced the Lightforce in MC and Hylia in SS and now brought it together in Tears)
>Not the precious zelda lore, how could they ruin it with a retcon
can you fags please come post in my thread
I want to talk about the game
I wonder if there were autistic people in ancient Greece who would hear different versions of a mythical story and then obsessively try to fit them into a timeline.
there is absolutely a chronology to greek myths. I am not an expert so there may be some that don't matter where they but there are some that absolutely precede others
There is a general chronology yes. But what you guys are doing is like someone hearing different versions of the story of Hercules and trying to reconcile all the little differences.
no not at all
TotK Rauru's Hyrule is a different one thousands of years after god knows which timeline. Easily solves every problem, we already had BotW making a scale of time in which they refer back to a Ganon fight from 10,000 years ago that never took place in a game. There's infinite other Zelda/Link/Ganon fights and reincarnations through the ages, if Hyrule can be destroyed off screen between OoT and WW and almost in BotW's "10000 years before, and 100 years ago too" then yeah, Hyrule got destroyed at sometime and re-founded by Raura/Sonia.
This is the best course of action but for some reason people insist that it has to work with the other games when BOTW/TOTK deliberately try to distance themselves from the rest of the series
It's so easy too.
Ganon's died in timelines. If he's dead for ??? years, eventually some reincarnation of him will show up like TotK one did. So hey, he pops up in that time and situation, and everything happens in it's own neat loop.
>All the OOTLets thinking that the name "Rauru" is referencing the sage Rauru and not the town of Rauru from LoZ 2.
Almost all the Sages in OoT are named after LoZ 2 towns.
>Why the fuck did Nintendo retcon zeldas line in BOTW? That line makes absolutely no sense with TOTK existing and the devs just forgot zelda ever said that line
Blame fucking Fujibayashi
fujibayashi isn't to blame tho
The translation of that line is complete shit and this was already known 6 years ago
But wait until you find out just how much of the story across all english Zelda games is pretty much fanfiction
It's not a fucking retcon..this game happens after OoT. Hyrule falls and is reestablished before the imprisoning war.
Anon, there are 3 timelines. The only reason all 3 are referenced in a cutscene in BotW is likely that at some point, Hylia or Zelda travelled through time and learned of the other 2 branches. The only possible placement for BotW and TotK is the child timeline, since Hyrule Castle was never completely destroyed as it was in decline and adult, in OoT.
Why do people think Raura the fucking goat man is Raura the Wilford Brimley, and that there could never be another place called Temple of Time in some 50,000 year timespan? In the same series that we have multiple Links, multiple Zeldas, and multiple Hyrules.
I don't even remember what position I'm shitposting from now
Every version of Ganondorf and Ganon besides the original one featured in TOTK has been a manifestation of his malice seeping out of his sealed corpse.
OOT Ganondorf is just a possessed puppet created by Ganondorf's surrogate mothers (Who are also in the TOTK flashbacks)
zelda timeline fags are the worst
Sounds like you got btfo
>more zelda butthurt threads
nobody cares holy shit
it's a fucking children game
you think kids would care if some Pokemon is called Two Fangs but only has 1 fang?
It feels like before Historia was published again, must more vitriolic. I missed this
Zelda appears in an era after Zelda 2 ehen Hyrule had to be re-established. Many such cases.
So how many of these posts are saucy this time?
Probably most. He has to fill his free time when he's not eating shit or molesting his niece.
Saucy is a resident child molester? The lore thickens. I heard you like huffing shit or something too.
I win fucko
What kind of schizo post is this? lmao
The kind who dominates all Zelda lore discussion on Ganker and /vg/.
I won this fucking place
Waiting until the school bell rings?
uh, okay. What's your real life like? There's no such thing as some arbitrary epeen on an anonymous board you tripfagging fuckwad
Its not a trip you retard lol
Okay? I generally don't obsess over tripfags or anyone placing a name since they are all literally mentally ill. I don't need to understand how it works, because tripfags are irrelevant beyond being lolcows.
You're a newfag, he's a namefag AND a newfag, and tripfags have a code after their name. Now both of you should go back. Video games.
I've been browsing since 2008 when I was 14 and never had a need to understand tripfags beyond that they don't belong.
You are a lying newfag, there is no way you didn't notice the code in a tripfags name after 15 years. I noticed that shit when I was 14. Now go back
I'm not a newfag I went after Jessica slaughter
I don't understand, what did you win? You didn't even refute being a child molester
That wasn't me I have imposters
Sure child diddler.
have a nice day.
Provide it cunt, you can't.
Nothing in the archive
Why can't Nintendo just do what everyone else does and just say some games are gaiden and don't count?
BotW and TotK would have been fine as a Lords of Shadow style reboot