The conditions surrounding the orange portal will create a vacuum that sucks out air from the blue space.
I don't know what this nonsense about air displacement is but it's completely irrelevant to the problem
This is accurate
Disingenuous. There should only be one moving platform. The one on the right there gives momentum to the cube which was not present in the original problem
>gives momentum to the cube
You don't understand relativity
>the portal is at rest
All observers are at rest in their own frame of reference. The orange portal and blue portal are the same point (plane) in space, but the orange aperture is accelerating while the blue is stationary (from our perspective).
This acceleration is accurately represented by the orange "side" moving in that diagram. Keep relativity in mind, as far as physics are concerned there is no difference between an object moving towards you versus you moving toward an object.
That's retarded. The cube doesn't have some sort of internal property called "speed" that has to be mantained as a numeric value when it comes outside the exit portal. What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal. The cube in your pic is literally going through the portal at 1m/s. And that's how it would look from the exit portal. The cube exits at 1m/s.
It reaches a state of equilibrium where the cube will still be moving at 1000 m/s and the portal at 999 m/s. Thus the cube enters the blue space at a relative of 1 m/s.
I'm B-fag and I'll say your graph is wrong. As the other anon said, 1m/s is maintained, it should exist at 1m/s and then be affected by whatever is on the other side.
The box wouldn't slowly enter the blue one actually. As soon as it entered, the speed differential would shoot the rest of the box through the blue portal immediately. Or, as another possibility, the box is torn to bits as it enters the blue portal.
Disingenuous. There should only be one moving platform. The one on the right there gives momentum to the cube which was not present in the original problem
>the portal is at rest
All observers are at rest in their own frame of reference. The orange portal and blue portal are the same point (plane) in space, but the orange aperture is accelerating while the blue is stationary (from our perspective).
This acceleration is accurately represented by the orange "side" moving in that diagram. Keep relativity in mind, as far as physics are concerned there is no difference between an object moving towards you versus you moving toward an object.
momentum is relative mathematically. not literally.
mathematically theres infinite dimensions, that doesnt mean theres like a literal place called the 8th dimension where a cube has 60 right angles and humans can travel to it if they have the right technology.
this sort of math is meant to be practical not literal.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>momentum is relative mathematically. not literally.
again, another retard that thinks numbers are some innate property of objects
nothing is absolute in physics
Exactly. The cube continues moving at the same speed it approached the portal, as depicted in [...]
>NOOO THE PORTAL WAS MOVING NOT THE CUBE
There is literally no difference.
Put a die on a table, the die is at rest, take a cup and invert it over the die before then pushing the cup down so that it covers the die.
The die does not keep moving after the cup has come to rest.
It's literally this simple
Inb4: it's a portal not a cup.
The portal is just a cup with a universe on the other side of the opening
You think yourself so smart, b fag. Solve this, then:
A portal goes down at 10km/s to an anal bead perfectly aligned.
What's the speed of the last anal bead to cross the portal? Is it 10km/s? If not, why?
i think something longer than a cube would be both A and B: it would come out of the portal at 10km, but since there the thing itself is not moving it would come at a full stop once the portal stops too
Typical idiot. The object has 0 momentum and it will remain with 0 momentum until an outside force is applied.
The 'portal frame' is meaningless nonsense. SPACE is not an observer in relativity, OBJECTS are. The portal is not an object but a distorted feature in spacetime. Ergo it is not a valid observation point in terms of relativity.
It's similar to how OBJECTS can't exceed the speed of light, but SPACE can - why? Because it isn't limited by general relativity.
Therefore, the correct option is option B. The cube stays put with 0 momentum until it crosses the portal threshold, upon which the cube's geodesic points towards the Earth's centre and it plops down to the ground.
Precisely. The portal is not an object. It is just a region of spacetime.
SPACE IS NOT AN OBJECT.
ONLY OBJECTS CAN BE OBSERVERS.
Therefore the portal is not a observer in relativity and there is no conservation of speed in relation to the portal.
The cube conserves speed (0) relative to the platform it is on and the environment around it, therefore it does not shoot out the other end for no reason.
Another person who gets it. The portal is not a 'thing', it's just distorted spacetime, so the cube does not need to conserve speed in relation to it. The portal is not an observer.
>SPACE IS NOT AN OBJECT. >ONLY OBJECTS CAN BE OBSERVERS.
I'm gonna need you to tell me what you think the definition of an observer is in the context of frames of reference before you post this again
Preferably with an academic source
Looking at this, it would be ground to dust/crushed, no?
Even if there isn’t force being applied or whatever, the cube would have to emerge on the other side no matter what, since the portal hits the surface.
Therefore it would either be crushed, or if it’s stronger than the blockage then break through even without momentum since it’s two different objects trying to occupy the same space.
Now imagine, there is air. It's pushing against air at the speed the yellow portal is coming down. Shouldn't that speed be maintained, at least until the yellow portal stops pushing it in?
I don’t know.
I’m not here to comment, this just came up in the catalogue.
I assumed this was in an airless environment. This discussion is as dumb as powerlevel threads tbh
Nothing can move relative to the portal because the portal isn't a physical object. The entire room is moving relative to the piston and stops when the piston and platform collide, therefore the cube stops.
Nah situation 3 relies on the movement of the train and the box just floats. 2 actually gives force to the box multiplied by the velocity of the train.
You aren't paying attention, the portal has a location and it's changing relative to something. It doesn't matter if it's not physical. Location is changing.
>It's moving in relation to the portal
You're moving in relation to a car driving past your house outside. If the car slams on its brakes, do you fly out of your chair?
You need someone to draw a picture of a car driving past your house in order to understand what happens to (You) when any car in the world slams on its brakes?
The point is that the cube is at relative rest. Its energy is entirely potential. Using a portal to put it into a different room won't send it rocketing through the sky, because it must conserve its energy first to its relative self.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Yes, draw it. Please anon, let us see your logic.
6 days ago
Anonymous
What happens to you standing in a fast moving train with 200km/h slamming it's magical breaks and coming to a stand instantly?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The point is that the cube is at relative rest
Why use buzzwords if you don't understand what they mean?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Do you even think you know what it means?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Why can this ball stand on the portal?
6 days ago
Anonymous
That's the box's shadow
6 days ago
Anonymous
Then where is the other portal?
Did A-Fags completely lose it?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Are you retarded?
There are no fucking portals involved in a box being placed on top of a ball.
6 days ago
Anonymous
How does it relate to anything in this thread?
Did A-Fags completely lose it?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Does a box being placed on top of a ball cause the ball to move?
What if the box is placed over the ball, like, really fucking fast? The ball is moving really fucking fast from the box's frame of reference!
So what happens to the ball?
6 days ago
Anonymous
okay, so theres another, totally unrelated box next to it. theres a ball inside of it. it flys out really, really fucking fast, but then just....stops. from zero to light speed back to zero.
reddit spacing for emphasis and for you to fallacy away
why did the ball stop?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>but wut about other boxes!?
There's no other box. There's a big box -- even the size of the universe. When it pulls down over the ball, the ball doesn't fly away. No matter how fast the box is moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
this box is inside that bigger box, anon. we are talking regular portals, not inter-dimensional portals.
6 days ago
ALMSIVI
Functionally, for all intents and purposes,there is no difference in this discussion
6 days ago
Anonymous
kek you don't even understand basic perspective and you want to talk about maths?
Also, hoolahoop logic Afag, what a surprise, thanks you proving my point
6 days ago
Anonymous
I understand perspective far better than you.
If you don't understand the significance of "object at rest" then you don't understand perspective.
The portal doesn't think so.
Who gives a fuck what the portal thinks? It's an observer -- a doorway.
>this retard thinks the universe revolves around the moving pillar, like it isn't affected by gravity.
fucking retard doesn't understand gravity or gravitational forces.
Ganker is incapable of being anything other than perpetually wrong and desires to prove so on a daily basis. This will continue until the heat death of the universe.
but all motion is relative. every object is stationary in relation to itself, and only moves from the perspective of other objects. if the cube gets closer to the portal, then from the portal's perspective the cube is moving, and from the cube's perspective the portal is moving
Firstly, it's pretty clear that the thread is talking about the hypothetical situation with real world physics and not how the source engine would resolve it. Secondly, some dumb shit's approximation of the source engine is an argument constructed out of "trust me bro." Thirdly, cubes almost always hit the edges of the portal in the experiments they were conducted which ragdolls the cubes in the source engine.
>my car isn't moving toward the wall, the wall is moving toward me!
Anon...
Momentum is a measurable unit, my guy. In your poor strawman the car has a measurable amount of momentum and the wall has exactly 0. Likewise
The portal isn’t an object, you are moving a point in space through space to another point in space which literally isn’t possible irl. Arguing with physics is meaningless, it’s a hula hoop.
My post is literally the game engine and the game the way it was coded.
Your post is a coded cope game.
Hahahaha you have been proven wrong literally by the game. Keep (You) me with your seething now that you have been unarguably proven wrong.
i'm about to make an actual test chamber in portal 2 to figure this shit out in actual game physics, because the retard behind
put chell in the portal, not the fucking cube.
then put the cube in, I don't want to give B fags any more fuel for their retardation. It's gotten bad enough now they're just presenting A arguments and saying "SEE! I WAS A B FAG!"
6 days ago
Anonymous
>It's gotten bad enough now they're just presenting A arguments and saying "SEE! I WAS A B FAG!"
Why? It means that you won. Let them cope and pretend all they want. Deep inside they know they are literal retards that had to bend the knee to superior minds.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>they're just presenting A arguments
Which are actually arguments for B, lmao.
That's how stupid Atards are.
>the game doesn't even support movable portals
That's factually wrong and every time you cope you make my dick hard because I know that it's causing you huge distress.
>Atards too stupid to understand basic logic
See [...]
you retards understand that the cube got stuck on the physical sides and that the momentum of the moving platform is being transfered into the cube.
fucking RETARDS.
you B-fags and your momentum are retarded. Momentum is not a thing in this situation because there is no actual Momentum being applied to the box, the portals never interact "with" the box. The portals are just wormholes connecting 2 places, no more. gave you an ilustrative answer long ago, if you cannot complehend it with it then I'm sorry.
Portals change momentum in game. After all, direction is part of momentum.
Oh, but you're not changing direction RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL because momentum is preserved RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL in game.
But all i said has to do with stationary portals (Relative to the lab, I add for clarity despite it being pointless to try and convince an Afag that's a thing), and if Portals behave that way when "stationary" we must say they behave the same way when "moving". If we don't then portals can't exist as advertised, which I suppose is an answer to the problem, just not the one we were looking for.
Momentum isn't relative in the manner at which the video implies. The cube has 0 ft/s momentum regardless of how quick the piston is moving. Furthermore, a threshold is also not a physical object and thus doesn't carry momentum.
>The cube has 0 ft/s momentum regardless of how quick the piston is moving.
That's retarded. The cube doesn't have some sort of internal property called "speed" that has to be mantained as a numeric value when it comes outside the exit portal. What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal. The cube in your pic is literally going through the portal at 1m/s. And that's how it would look from the exit portal. The cube exits at 1m/s.
It's not exiting the portal at that speed, the threshold is crossing it and after a certain amount of travel time from the piston relative to gravitational forces pulling the cube down, it eventually topples. The cube has no momentum.
The portal isn’t an object, you are moving a point in space through space to another point in space which literally isn’t possible irl. Arguing with physics is meaningless, it’s a hula hoop.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Let me highlight the particularly relevant section this time so you understand
That's retarded. The cube doesn't have some sort of internal property called "speed" that has to be mantained as a numeric value when it comes outside the exit portal. What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal. The cube in your pic is literally going through the portal at 1m/s. And that's how it would look from the exit portal. The cube exits at 1m/s.
>What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The portal isn’t a thing. It doesn’t exist nothing is being crossed. All you have done is changed the location of a point in space.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Let me highlight my response again since you ignored it previously
It's not exiting the portal at that speed, the threshold is crossing it and after a certain amount of travel time from the piston relative to gravitational forces pulling the cube down, it eventually topples. The cube has no momentum.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>I'm not moving toward the portal, the portal is moving toward me!
Trying to make this distinction is an admission that you don't understand how frames of reference work
The portal isn’t a thing. It doesn’t exist nothing is being crossed. All you have done is changed the location of a point in space.
>All you have done is changed the location of a point in space.
This is defined as "motion"
At what speed did the cube move through the portal? >the cube wasn't moving
then the cube must not have changed locations
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Trying to make this distinction is an admission that you don't understand how frames of reference work
Trying to argue that a threshold is an object is an admission that you're chummin the waters.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Would you rather we say "the surface the portal is on (which is both two diffrent surfaces and the same one at the same time)" frame? Oh, or maybe "Lab frame (exit portal side)" Besides your arbitrary rule being wrong and arbitrary, we can define plenty of things as the frame of refrence which would have a similar result.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Every single point in space is a valid frame of reference.
I don't know who told you they need to be centered on an "object" (or more accurately the "point" in space that an object occupies), but they were wrong.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Motion is an object moving through space
Portals is a hypothetical scenario where you can move space itself
There is nothing to indicate that making a Portal exerts a force on space, it just works by magic to make a hula hoop in between two points.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Hula hoops do not alter your location in space, therefore portals are not hula hoops.
6 days ago
Anonymous
A portal doesn’t alter your location in space
It alters a point in space’s location in space
The platform stops when it hits the piston but the cube keeps going, like how you'd fly through a windshield when your car hits a wall because you were too dumb to wear a seatbelt.
And the cube keeps moving, just like you keep moving when your car hits a wall.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Why would the cube move when it never moved in the first place?
Portals are 2 points in space with distance of 0
6 days ago
Anonymous
Terrible analogy. In a car, you are also traveling at the same speed, so of course you'd fly through the windshield when it comes to an instant halt. The cube simply isn't moving at all. Momentum couldn't magically transfer to the cube because nothing ever makes physical contact with it besides the floor. The reason people think it'd fly out is because they're focused on the moving portal vessel velocity. Because the other end of the portal is stagnate, it's like that velocity never existed in the first place.
The cube is moving. Please consult
again. Look carefully this time and try to understand it. Maybe it would help you if they labelled it?
6 days ago
Anonymous
You've given up arguing and just want to stare at a gif. Leave the conversation with the adults.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Bfag goes through a portal >goes exactly as expected exiting the same speed he entered relative to the portals >Afag goes through a portal >Slams into the far wall at 67,000 mph because his absolute speed as he hurtles through space is 67,000 and the portals facing different directions cause all that speed to change direction
Face it, if Afags were right portals would all be lethal.
6 days ago
Anonymous
But the cube isn't moving. It only looks that way through the portal, but the portal is the moving thing, it's a reference point and at no point does it interact with the object.
You couldn't make the portal bounce by tickling it through the threshold, could you? The only force it could deal with is the opposing gravitational orientation.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The portal isn't moving. If you reached through the blue portal, would the orange end shoot forward and hit you? Of course not.
On the other hand, you'd better watch out for that platform rising up to crush your hand, and that cube that's gonna get launched when the platform stops.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You can't touch the threshold. It's a hole in space and time. It can't push nor pull you, and since it never interacted with you there would be no effect on your physical state. The only effect you'd feel is weight coming from the direction of gravity's new orientation.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Could you not stick your hand in the portal and "grab" it, such that your fingers are gripping the surface connected to one side and your thumb is gripping the other?
Would your hand get ripped apart because "the portal is moving?" Or would it not be exactly like grabbing the edge of your desk right now?
The portal is not moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Do you also think the universe inside the portal slams into itself sideways when the portal suddenly stops?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>the universe inside the portal
???
6 days ago
Anonymous
That's the only way your point functions. Is if you view the universe inside the portal as a a different wrung and is acting towards the parallel of it through the portal.
6 days ago
ALMSIVI
Are you retarded?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Portals change momentum without touching you in regular gameplay, nevermind the theoretical. Momentum is a vector, direction is a part of all vectors, that's why it's momentum instead of just Speed
Terrible analogy. In a car, you are also traveling at the same speed, so of course you'd fly through the windshield when it comes to an instant halt. The cube simply isn't moving at all. Momentum couldn't magically transfer to the cube because nothing ever makes physical contact with it besides the floor. The reason people think it'd fly out is because they're focused on the moving portal vessel velocity. Because the other end of the portal is stagnate, it's like that velocity never existed in the first place.
Define "not moving" without trying to enforce an objective frame of reference.
Oh who am I kidding, you don't even know what a frame of reference is. Or what "Objective" means here.
No, no. No need to kid. I actually didn't know what frame of reference truly was. Now I do, thanks to you. Einstein was completely a monster when it came to physics. Wish he could be here to see this thread.
Although I can see better why you'd argue that the cube would fly out, I still stand by what I said. Ignoring the cube for a second--If you reached inside of the blue portal at the moment the orange portal made contact with where the cube would be, your hand wouldn't get crushed.
The effects of relativity do not require a universal reference point.
The exact opposite is true, they preclude a universal reference point from existing.
This is what people fail to understand when they try to claim "you could see it moving and not moving at the same time" as a paradox (that and a childish misunderstanding of what being an "observer" means)
Its A. Before any gay says "but muh momentum is relative..." Ok. I ask you this: relative to what? If you say the portals, then congrats, you are retarded.
If you're asking "relative to what" and you're supporting A, you don't know what "relative momentum" means. Here's a hint, there's no correct answer to that question.
Imagine you put yourselft in place of the box. Then you look up and you see the portal coming. It doesnt matter if the portal is comming at the speed of light because the portal is not an actual object. If you cross the portal stationary, you will cross it stationary because there is no actual force being applied to the object. Its like saying and arbitrary point of space time is an object. Its not. There is no relative momentum because there is no direct interaction witth the object passing the portal, you are specultating based on a false premise.
Another person who gets it. The portal is not a 'thing', it's just distorted spacetime, so the cube does not need to conserve speed in relation to it. The portal is not an observer.
not moving relative to the lab. There is no relative to the portals because the portal are not a valid point of reference. B literally breaks reality. What happens if both portals are moving at the speed of light? B is litterally impossible.
>B literally breaks reality
Universal frames of reference do not exist
The effects of relativity do not require a universal reference point.
The exact opposite is true, they preclude a universal reference point from existing.
This is what people fail to understand when they try to claim "you could see it moving and not moving at the same time" as a paradox (that and a childish misunderstanding of what being an "observer" means)
>Cube emerges from the blue portal according to a """""stationary""""" observer standing in the lab
Oh fuck guys that's movement you've invalidated your point before you even started with whatever other bullshit you were on about before.
Precisely. The portal is not an object. It is just a region of spacetime.
SPACE IS NOT AN OBJECT.
ONLY OBJECTS CAN BE OBSERVERS.
Therefore the portal is not a observer in relativity and there is no conservation of speed in relation to the portal.
The cube conserves speed (0) relative to the platform it is on and the environment around it, therefore it does not shoot out the other end for no reason.
Situation 3 cannot happen. The box will perpetually be pulled by orange and blue portals until it finally falls down by gravity. Once the box exits the blue portal, the orange portal pulls it back and at the same time pushes it back by the movement of the train.
Nah situation 3 relies on the movement of the train and the box just floats. 2 actually gives force to the box multiplied by the velocity of the train.
What is the earth moving? What is the sun moving across the milky way? What is the milky way moving? You yourself are moving at 30 kilometers per second across space, can you say you aren't moving?
Your animation is wrong. It should have stopped the moment it hits the portal, but instead it gains twice the speed on its way out relative to a stationary observer. Your example literally breaks physics, you disingenuos gay.
>Relative to a stationary observer
You haven't defined stationary, and you haven't established why a stationary observer is more important than any other frame of reference.
Bfags are literal children who get distracted by le blue and orange circles
Put a coin on the ground and slam down a cylinder on it. Does your coin shoot out the top of the cylinder? No? Then why do you support B? The portals are the same exact thing as the cube.
except force is being put onto the arrow by the bow.
at no point in the portal problem does anything touch or influence the cube's momentum other than gravity.
It's hard to wrap my head around it because the moving portal is like, pulling everything from the other side along with it. Like could the cube be crushed from the air pressure coming down that fast on it.
I still don't know why it would go flying though.
Anyone who supports B is someone who thinks that if you drop a big hoop over someone's head, the person should shoot into the air like a rocket.
After all, from the hoop's point of view you are accelerating towards it, so you should automatically leap in the air when it drops over you!
in universe b, if you place a portal on the bottom of a giant cube, and another portal at the top, and drop it on someone so that the portal falls over them, they won't fly into the air, because the thing that causes them to be launched is the fact that the ends of the portal are moving independantly of each other.
It's the exact same situation. The portal is just a glorified hoop or tunnel. If you don't get that you are a simpleton that gets distracted by irrelevant details and there's no point convincing you otherwise.
they are incapable of seeing the difference hoola hoops and the two portals in picture. They unironically think a hoola hoop is a good comparison, and despite how many times it's explained that its not, they just ignore it.
alright bfags, lets try arguing with your logic.
we have three chickens, one goes moo and lays milk, another goes meow and lays pancakes, the third is actually a quantum chicken that shits out eggs at an unknown rate between dimensions.
how many times does a dog have to quack at a flying toaster with a worm riding it for the dead chicken to lay one diamond thats equal in value to bitcoin in BC 1900?
You're describing a transfer of energy between two objects, either the two trucks or the truck and the person being hit by the truck (my ass).
In the case of the portal problem the only object in the problem with any momentum is the piston, what is the piston transferring its energy to? It isn't the cube, so if the cube isn't having any energy transferred to it then how could it accelerate?
The thing I get sick of in these threads is someone makes a good point on either side that's genuinely compelling, and then the thread seems to bend around it like water so people can get to posting webms at each other.
B chads are literally arguing with theory of relativity here and creating webms that literally show the absurdity of the opposite faction while A fags are just screeching and saying physics ain't real
A fags literally always get their points disputed, and their only rebuttal is "that's not how I think physics words"
B fags use physics, thought experiments, and point out the logical inconsistencies in A fags internal models, and they just ignore it because "the cube wasn't moving"
If I threw the cube at 5 m/s at a portal heading towards me at 10 m/s, and the exit portal is 100 meters above me, dropping at a constant 3 m/s, how fast will the cube be going when it hits me?
You may assume there is no air friction.
B fags have to be trolling at this point
There is no other explanation
Do they see someone put on a ring on his finger and expect the finger to violently shoot off his hand
Unbelievable
How do you put on a ring such that only the side you are entering is moving but not the side you are exiting?
Please post a webm demonstrating this behavior.
>a hole in space is two entities
Seems like the problem is that you don't understand that the portals are a single entity.
If the orange portal is moving towards an object, the blue portal is doing the same by definition as they are one and the same thing.
How retarded are you?
If one end of the portal is moving, so is the other.
That greentext doesn't make any sense because I'm saying the literal opposite. You are low IQ.
Afags just aren't able to think abstractly enough
By definition, it's impossible to convince them of why B is correct. It's basically like two groups arguing in a different language.
It's not that Afags don't understand what you say. They just don't understand what you mean.
>DOOD YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND >THE CUBE HAS FORCE MAGICALLY ADDED TO IT! >WHERE DOES THIS FORCE COME FROM... THE PORTAL! >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT POINT OUT HOW PORTALS WORK IN GAME!!!!!
>DOOD YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND >THE BALL HAS FORCE MAGICALLY ADDED TO IT! >WHERE DOES THIS FORCE COME FROM... THE EARTH! >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT ASK ME TO EXPLAIN BY WHAT MECHANISM THIS FORCE IS APPLIED!!!!!
You're standing inside of a moving train with an orange portal placed on the wall. The blue portal is placed on the wall inside of a stationary room. If you step into the orange portal, will you:
>A: Step normally into the room. >B: Violently shoot out and begin tumbling in the same direction the train had been moving.
This scenario is different; the train that you are on is moving, therefore you are moving. That's like if you opened a door on a moving train and stepped out. The portal problem isn't that; it's like if a train was moving towards you but had a hole big enough for you to fit in without the train touching your body. The train would just pass over you without you moving.
>The portal problem isn't that; it's like if a train was moving towards you but had a hole big enough for you to fit in without the train touching your body. The train would just pass over you without you moving.
That is literally not what's happening since in the portal problem that hole is you moving between two points in space.
It's not real moving you through two points in space so much as it is connecting them. It's a like wormhole; a magic tunnel that somehow has no length.
a fags can't even realise how a hula hoop is different from two portals moving together in the exact same way, and you expect them to be able to tell the difference between a hula hoop and two portals moving independantly of each other?
The surface the portal is on, the piston, moves.
The rest of the room is thus moving relatively in regards to the piston.
The piston stops moving when it hits the platform, thus halting the relative movement of everything else in the room.
Therefore the cube halts, until gravity pulls it off the now sloped surface.
>relativity says all frames of reference are correct >question is "which of the two options is the actual frame of reference"
fucking retards, the actual answer is that A and B are both correct as long as they actually happen. It's a philisophical paradox, because you get to choose the outcome, that outcome becomes correct by virtue of relativity stating all frames of reference are correct
it's impossible for a frame of reference to have two outcomes in relativity
almost like portals are fictional and couldn't exist in real loif
You are correct.
HOWEVER, if we accept that portals exist exactly as they appear in the game, then it's B because portals in the game preserve momentum (the directional component specifically) only relative to the portal's frame of reference.
Yeah sure it is, whatever you fuckin say.
If we want to remove the ambiguity of potentail mods in webms, we could just ask the devs what they would have done
Oh wait, we did, and it was B, and you're ignoring that because it's inconvenient to your point.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Oh wait, we did, and it was B
Oh yeah? Prove it.
Protip: You can't because that never happened and you are COPING hard.
>That webm is the unmodded game
False. Stop lying.
6 days ago
Anonymous
it would take you all of what, 15 minutes to download the game and the map and try it.
6 days ago
Anonymous
And you'll find objects get stuck with moving portals.
Lying little rat.
You can cope all you want but ultimately you know that you are wrong and that I won the internet argument. This makes you extremely mad because of your uncontrolled dunning-kruger fueled autism. I'm better than you and I demonstrated it here in front of everyone. Your are the laughing stock of the thread.
Hahaha ez.
See above.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>See above.
I don't need to. I'm already in your head and I'm gonna be there for a long time after wiping the floor with you. Everyone witness of it, too. Ihave even taken screenshots to post them when the new threads show up in the catalog. HAHAHHAHAH you are literally my pet.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You can cope all you want but ultimately you know that you are wrong and that I won the internet argument. This makes you extremely mad because of your uncontrolled dunning-kruger fueled autism. I'm better than you and I demonstrated it here in front of everyone. Your are the laughing stock of the thread.
Hahaha ez.
EXCEPT you fucking B-fags momentum ALSO abides by relativity and a cube flying through a portal ALSO has momentum relative to a 3rd observer in the room, hence momentum is preserved. Portal-relative momentum is no more correct that observer-relative momentum, A and B are equally correct, it's really that SIMPLE
>You moved the point in space that the cube occupies
This is the same as moving the cube.
There doesn't need to be "a force". The cube is now moving (without force, by magic) per your own words.
No, you moved the point in space. It is not the same as moving the cube. It is like you are spinning a roulette wheel, the arrow is in the same position
6 days ago
Anonymous
>No, you moved the point in space. It is not the same as moving the cube.
These are the same. Changing a point in space is moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
No it isn’t. Moving is changing your location within space. Portals change the location of a point in space to overlap with another point in space. You can’t move space itself irl
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Portals change the location of a point in space to overlap with another point in space.
Which thereby changes its location, and is therefore movement. You can't semantics your way out of this.
6 days ago
Anonymous
If you step through a portal 5 feet away and come out 5 miles away do you use the energy of running 5 miles or 5 feet?
Obviously you use the energy of moving 5 feet even if your location changed by 5 miles. The force differential happens when you changed the location of the space you were moving through, but you can’t move space. It’s magic hula hoop.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Still can't semantics out of it, buddy. Not in the same location means you moved. "Force differential" doesn't even enter into it.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The space moved, not you. Otherwise portals don’t even work.
6 days ago
Anonymous
There is no difference between space moving around you and you moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
“Space moving around you” doesn’t exist irl
You are getting “space” confused with “surroundings”
6 days ago
Anonymous
It doesn't have to "exist irl". In this thought experiment, a portal is space moving around you.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You realize portals don't exist in real life either?
6 days ago
Anonymous
No shit gay. Because they are impossible because you can’t move the location of a point in space to another point in space. Objects exist within space, but in portal you have the magic power to move a point in space without exerting any force on the objects that occupy it.
There is no force, it’s magic. No matter what frame of reference you take THERE IS NO FORCE
6 days ago
Anonymous
So then how do you explain the moving train example?
6 days ago
Anonymous
The moving train example isn’t relevant since you’re dealing with the consequences of linking a point in space with radically different acting forces on them rather than linking a point in space where no force is applied on either end.
6 days ago
Anonymous
That doesn't make sense because the train is essentially just the original example but in reverse, where rather than being a stationary object made to move you're a moving object made to be stationary. You're basically saying that in the original argument A is true but in the train example B is true.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The point you keep missing is that moving the space around an object doesn’t follow the same rules as moving an objects surroundings. The magic by which portals operate is that you can change points in space to other points in space.
When you are on the train the train is a valid point of reference because it is your surroundings
Moving space itself is not a valid point of reference
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Moving space itself is not a valid point of reference
Why?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Because it defies the laws of physics. Like I said if you use a portal to travel 5 miles but your body only used the energy to travel 5 feet where did the rest of that energy come from? Well the energy had to be used to move the space, but how does that work?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Yes there is.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Explain what it is.
Do try, I want to see you try. I would love to see if you can actually explain it in any sensible manner.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I can only explain it to you if you understand that portals change the position of space within space.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I understand that, now explain the difference. Don't just say it's different, you already said that. Explain the difference now.
6 days ago
Anonymous
If movement is dependent on the position of space then there would be unaccounted for momentum imparted into an object, we can call this the B force.
Using Portals numbered 1 and 2 we change the location of space within space. Lets say we have 50 miles between the portals.
Object is stationary and leaves the portal 1's area of space entering portal 2's area of space.
Object remains stationary unless the B force acts upon it.
So the answer would be A unless space can act upon objects.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It cannot rise from the boundary of portal 2 AT ALL without force. Therefore moving space must act upon objects.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>It cannot rise from the boundary of portal 2 AT ALL without force.
Why not?
6 days ago
Anonymous
There's air in the way. Can't move air without force.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The cube isn’t moving. The space the cube occupies was moved.
6 days ago
Anonymous
That still requires the displacement of air, which requires force.
Moving space will displace. Repeat it.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It is not moving, the air around it doesn’t move either.
6 days ago
Anonymous
If the air around it does not move, then it never actually enters the portal.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Correct, because the portal is not an object that exists. It is a 0 depth representation of a point in space that has become united. You don’t “enter the portal”, you moved the space “under” the object.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>It is a 0 depth representation of a point in space that has become united.
That's not what portals are. Portals are links between two points, not a uniting of two points into one. X leads to Z, skipping Y, not X becomes Z.
6 days ago
Anonymous
A fags even forgot what portals are
6 days ago
Anonymous
No it has already displaced the air.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It cannot have "already displaced the air". The air is there before the portal is moved around it, altering its spatial coordinates.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The object is in location 1 >the the portals are opened and space is changed. >Portal 1 moves over object. >Object and the air around it is now in location 2
When does the air act upon it?
6 days ago
Anonymous
When the portal moves over it, duh.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Why?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Because for the first portal to move over it, and therefore for it to rise from the second portal, it must traverse the space matching its own volume past the second portal's limits.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>it must traverse the space matching its own volume past the second portal's limits.
Why would "traversing" the space impart force upon the object?
You have this entirely backwards.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Why would "traversing" the space impart force upon the object?
Why would it not? That's what movement is.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Movement
Force moves an object through space
>Portals
Magic moves space through space
6 days ago
Anonymous
And here's why it's not A:
That doesn't change a goddamn thing. The magic will keep moving the cube. It won't just stop, as that requires a second, entirely unnecessary and unjustified layer of magic.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The space the cube is occupied is moved to the location of the blue portal
The space the cube occupies is now on an incline, and gravity acts on the cube
There is no magic force from the piston acting here
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The space the cube is occupied is moved to the location of the blue portal >moved >>>>>>>>>>
[...]
There you have it. You admit it moved. And now it will keep moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You moved space through space. You didn’t move the cube
6 days ago
Anonymous
Moving space moves the cube.
6 days ago
Anonymous
No, you moved the space.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Which moves the cube. Moving the space moves the cube. Otherwise it never gets to the other space.
You cannot, CANNOT disjoin space and the cube. The cube is within the space.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The cube never moves
The only “other” space it gets to is the space immediately next to it, but that’s a result of gravity.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The cube has to move, or else it won't get through the air already in the way. We've been through this.
6 days ago
Anonymous
There is no air “in the way” the cube didn’t move
6 days ago
Anonymous
If the cube didn't move, then it didn't enter the portal. We've been through this too.
You were wrong then and you are wrong now.
I remain correct, and you remain inconsistent.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The space moved around the cube. There is no portal
6 days ago
Anonymous
>There is no portal
So you've been talking about your own imagination this whole time, huh.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The portal isn’t an object. It’s a point in space
6 days ago
Anonymous
No, it's a connection between two points in space. Not a singular point.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It is a point, or rather a 2dimensional series of points. Otherwise there would be a gap when you move between them.
6 days ago
Anonymous
There is no gap, they are sequential to the planck length.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You were wrong then and you are wrong now.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Anon, the object has already displaced the air within it's locality. If it did not do that then the object is itself gaseous.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Nope. Not valid. Its locality is being changed.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Its locality is being changed.
You dumb fucking moron, we agreed that portals change space within space. It's locality is the same.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Changing space changes its locality numbnuts.
6 days ago
Anonymous
How are you people this fucking stupid that you can’t understand moving space and moving an object within space arent the same thing?
6 days ago
Anonymous
How are you so stupid that you don't realize those ARE the same thing, and every time you try to explain otherwise you get served and shown how it is, again and again and again?
6 days ago
Anonymous
It is not the same thing.
You are incapable of wrapping your head around the concept of moving space itself.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I understand it flawlessly. You fail to explain the difference because there IS no difference.
6 days ago
Anonymous
How do you move space in real life
How much energy is required to move one unit of space
Make me a portal gun anon, explain to me where the energy comes from to create the water wheel in
Why are you caught up on "what" moves the object?
Portals fundamentally break newtons laws of motion. Imagine two portals, one above, then pour a bunch of water in it. Use that to spin a water wheel, and since gravity will be continuously accelerating it, you have literal infinite and perpetual energy. With two portals in that arrangement, you literally have infinite potential energy, since you can fall forever.
It defies all laws of physics because it’s a fucking magic hula hoop
6 days ago
Anonymous
Why do you keep coming back to this? It doesn't have to happen in real life for it to be understood.
It can defy physics and still remain consistent within its thought experiment, you intellectual coward.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Kinetic and Potential energy, bro. If you don't understand the difference between those, you don't understand relativity.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The energy is identical in both situations. Newton's third law.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The total amount of energy is identical, no shit.
What's the difference between a stone that has all of its energy in potential vs a stone that has only 50% of its energy in potential? How fast is the second stone moving?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Cube moves >But actually it doesn't even through it fufills all the criteria of movement because actually ???????
Also holding the arrow still and spinning the wheel is the same as holding the wheel still and spinning the arrow, it's just a diffrence in refrence frame
6 days ago
Anonymous
If the question is “does the arrow move when I spin the wheel” the obvious answer is no because no force is acting on the arrow. The relative difference in speed doesn’t fucking matter you need an acting force.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The relative difference in speed doesn’t fucking matter you need an acting force.
Source?
The cube doesn't move you retard the space it occupies changes, how is it so hard for people to reconcile illogical concepts like portals with their 8th grade understanding of physics?
If you put a portal at two opposite ends of the observable universe and stepped through it would you suddenly come flying out faster than the speed of light because DUHHHH LOCATION CHANGEY MAKE HEAD HURT HOW LOCATION CHANGE BUT NO MOVE FAST
6 days ago
Anonymous
>the space it occupies changes
This is what is known as "movement".
6 days ago
Anonymous
No, movement only occurs if the object itself moves. There is no law that dictates that an object cannot change it's position within space without moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>If i change the definition of movement, it's not moving
6 days ago
Anonymous
>No, movement only occurs if the object itself moves
Actually, movement is relative.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You don't understand the statement.
>If i change the definition of movement, it's not moving
Cope.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Man without brain tells someone else they don't understand the problem.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I understand the statement. You don't understand that movement is relative. The portal thinks it is standing still and the cube (and the stand and the planet) is hurtling at it.
6 days ago
ALMSIVI
Average mathematician that can't tell the difference between his abstract numbers and how the real world behaves
You are the one not making sense here.
If I throw a punch at you thought the portal at 100mph, anybody on the other side will get punched at 100mph (Speedy punch in, speedy punch out).
Now explain why my arm should detach of my shoulder and fly off. If we do the same but instead of me punching at 100mph the portal is going towards my extended arm at 100mph and stops right at my shoulder.
>If I throw a punch at you thought the portal at 100mph
kek that's exactly why you can't even get close to that speed
in any situation where your fist reaches that acceleration it would certainly come off your body
>retard misses the point entirely on purpose because he noticed he's wrong and doesn't have a comeback
lol
Change 100mph for 10mp, the point still stands.
6 days ago
Anonymous
The point doesn't stand, because if I somehow sucked your punch at 10mps, your fist would obviously just pull the rest of your body with you. Which is exactly what would happen if a portal went over your arm and stopped mid body. Only that 10mps is a velocity you might be able to control and pull back. The cube is not glued to the platform so it's retarded to make a comparison. Nonetheless, if someone's face was in front of the exit portal, he will be punched.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The point doesn't stand
Except it clearly does and you are an philistine in denial.
If I punch you through a portal at 10mph. My punch goes in(speedy thing in) at 10mph and comes out (speedy thing goes it) at 10mph.
You are simply out of argument.
6 days ago
Anonymous
And what exactly is your argument?
If you stood still with an extended arm but the portal went across your fist, the person in front of the exit portal would still see the fist as a "speedy thing that is coming in from the other side". In that case, you would probably break your fist because your body wasn't prepared to receive the shock, but the other guy will definitely feel the punch and you would feel his face.
You simply don't understand relativity.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>And what exactly is your argument?
I don't get this. You are saying that the point doesn't stand but you also don't know my argument which is pivotal to understand if the point stands or not? Why should I keep replying to someone that is clearly """"arguing"""" in bad faith for no apparent reason? What do I get out of it? Is this really the average person defending the B option? No wonder all of you sound like LMAO WEED type retard I guess.
The true gigabrain take is that B is correct because the portal is moving the entirety of the universe relative to the stationary portal observer, therefore the entire universe is actually being moved by portals.
Yes it's okay. But be wary of when the walls slam with each other and the cube will be shocked and pops out with some force, subject to some gravity of course
The scenario eould still apply for A.
If you are on a falling doorframe and about to land on a giant spike, it would still kill you, but it doesn’t mean the spike will be tossed in the air.
If the cube is moving relative to the portal/piston then it should maintain it's movement relative to the porta/piston.
Therefore when the portal/piston stops the cube also stops.
This is why you B tards cant even read cursive. Fucking morons. There is no force applied to the cube from the pedestal. If the piston smashed the cube from above and the output portal was on a flat surface, it would remain on top of the pedestal without moving or flying out. the portal has no sides, no space, no force, no moment. It literally called ZERO POINT energy. All force comes from external direct action on the reference object. Smoothbrains.
I mean I'd probably be more worried about the fact that everything surrounding my cock including my internal organs are being pancaked by a giant stone platform attached to a piston.
How the fuck is it anything but A? >speedy thing comes in, speedy thing comes out.
it should plop on the ground after coming out of the portal, because it remained stationary when it entered the portal, it wasn't a speedy thing, and therefore it had no momentum to carry into a supposed leap from the second portal.
Just think about it more. Imagine standing in front of the exit portal. Is the cube going to hurt you? Will it hurt more if the portal is coming down harder?
If it can hurt you, then the cube must have some kind force acting on it.
>then the cube must have some kind force acting on it.
this implies the platform the cube was on moved up at a high speed when the portal was coming down on it, which is clearly not the case, nothing is applying force to the portal, and a portal is more like a doorway than a chute, there's no air being sucked out of or in a portal.
Portals already change direction without touching the object, normally that requires a force too. >But the direction doesn't change relative to the portal
Then it's B, cause the momentum doesn't change relative to the portal there either
What if the box was on a podium that the portal could pass over before being stopped further down by outcroppings? What happens to the cube on top when it stops?
Okay, enough with the A & B fag arguing. What I want to know is if I had two portals over top of each other and put a long pole into the portals long enough for it to make contact and rest on its other end. Could I let it go and have the pole support itself? Or would it just be a continuous pole with no end falling through the portals?
The lengths Bfags go to cope thread after thread, year after year, its amazing. It was not enough to write up essays, make animations that are baseless, now you have a sperg programmer making an app that can be programmed perfectly to support your BS. You all know that the original Bfags were trolling right?
anyone who gets their laughs by pretending to be retarded will eventually and inevitably be invaded by actual retards who think they are in good company, this is why the B argument is still going.
Yeah well part of it is still the fact that ~50% of the Bfags are just in it to keep it going knowing its wrong. Its the other half thats really scary.
Afags should just repeat "the cube comes out fast" as a dogma over and over, until their brain just makes the click. There is no point trying to change how someone's logic is wired in one second.
>put two portals into vacuum with no influence of gravity
A gays: >box comes through at the speed the portal dropped on it >box somehow loses the speed it had on entry and proceeds to drift off at an undefined, lower speed
a fags are clinically retarded
>portals inherently change the velocity vector, therefore making them accelerators >force is mass * acceleration >b-but there's no force acting upon the cube !!!
Do Afags really...?
You're misrepresenting the A argument. The movement of the cube is dependent on any force the cube itself had, and the area around it. Ultimately, a moving portal is NOT said force. The B argument believes that moving a portal is enough to make the cube move.
Of course, it could be those stinky B-fags are so desperate they're just pretending A believes the B argument so they can prove themselves wrong.
Are B fags are self-loathing privileged liberals?
In the original example you clearly see that the box has some speed as it is emerging from the portal. If you believe in A, why would the box suddenly stop the moment it has fully cleared the portal rather than keep moving?
That's exactly why A is so funny. The actual logical conclusion of it is the cube doesn't enter the portal and prevents it from moving further (which is what actually happens in game engine btw) or gets crushed into a tiny sheet.
But they are so fucking retarded they don't even realize that.
You dumb fuck, you literally just cited the most common A argument.
How fucking contrarian are the B-fags getting? Is this seriously "Duck Season-Rabbit season" back and forth switching now?
>the most common A argument completely supports B's position
i'm not even surprised, Afags are completely defined by their total lack of understanding of how anything works.
Yeah but A fags don't seem to realize that the guy and the door are moving away from each other pretty fast all of a sudden.
The door's doing all the moving, sure, but now make half the door move and half the door not move.. Oops, Afags can't comprehend that.
Not being able to tell the difference between >the entrance and exit portals both moving in the same direction back-to-back >the entrance portal moving only, and the exit portal being still
is an Afag problem
>So A fags think the door frame will carry the person along with them once they cross the threshold.
What? No. A fags think that the cube doesn't fly off because portals behave like a door does except the entrance and exist separated in space.
No, team A cites doors, hula hoops, hole in the wall, and the momentum puzzles
team B cites some weird train gif and a gross misrepresentation of the moon scene
Can any Afag explain to me how the cube is coming out fast but it turns out it wasn't coming out fast?
don't try to talk about momentum, mass, inertia, or even relativity. You retards just don't understand what those concepts represent. Let's talk simple baby logic.
Why fast thing isn't fast suddenly
A fags cope by saying the portals are magic hence the cube is just """occupying the space""" without any motion whatsoever
yes, it's retarded as it sounds
>take toilet paper roll >take dice >drop roll on dice >dice does not go flying out
hm I could've worn that would work. maybe I should try a hula hoop instead.
Notice how often A fags say "I have no idea why B fags would even believe that, it makes no sense" while you never see a B fag saying they don't understand why A fags exist, just that their logic is wrong.
Well yeah, even smart people will have a knee-jerk reaction and think A makes sense for a moment.
It takes a bit of searching to actually get to the point of >wait, why does it STOP?
because b-fags use pseudo science (that never makes sense) to try and justify B
speedy thing goes in = speedy thing comes out
still thing goes in = still thing comes out
it really doesnt get any more complex than this, the only way B works is if you add arbitrary rules that dont exist.
The box is literally not still if it's moving. The whole crux of the Afag argument isn't that the box never moves, it's that because it's not moving while you observe the first side, when it comes out of the portal it's moving until it magically comes to a stop.
>when it comes out of the portal it's moving until it magically comes to a stop.
Ironically, this is where A fags actually use pseudo science, make up terms like "emerging", and talk about how the object isn't moving it's being "displaced" or something.
The portal on the moving piston does. Why would the box suddenly come to a stop after clearing the portal when it's clearly moving as it emerges?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The portal on the moving piston does.
How is the portal imparting force on the object. >It's clearly moving.
Define moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Define moving.
Are you serious? You literally have to lawyer the definition of movement to support your side? If you stand directly in front of the exit portal as the box emerges, is it and the piston just going to completely stop when it comes into contact with you because it's "not moving" or is it going to knock your ass backwards and injure you?
Portals fundamentally break newtons laws of motion. Imagine two portals, one above, then pour a bunch of water in it. Use that to spin a water wheel, and since gravity will be continuously accelerating it, you have literal infinite and perpetual energy. With two portals in that arrangement, you literally have infinite potential energy, since you can fall forever.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Portals fundamentally break newtons laws of motion. Imagine two portals, one above, then pour a bunch of water in it. Use that to spin a water wheel, and since gravity will be continuously accelerating it, you have literal infinite and perpetual energy. With two portals in that arrangement, you literally have infinite potential energy, since you can fall forever.
Anon, that's just how gravity works. Lmao.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Please take a physics class
The actual question is "how is energy being created" in this closed system. I hope you realize you can't have infinite potential energy in real life. Where that energy comes from is the same place that the force acting on the cube comes from.
6 days ago
Anonymous
You are not creating energy you are using the force of gravity to generate electricity.
If portal hit the cube at 100m/s I want A chuds to numerically define the velocity of the cube as it emerges from the portal and slows down under the influence of gravity and air pressure >inb4 0
protip: you wont do it and you'll dilate and cope
>If portal hit the cube
Portals can't touch anything anon.
>muh hula hoops >muh semantics
as evident by the fact, A fags are retarded reddit chuds HRT'd into retardation because their brains obviously never went through puberty
Suppose the piston is moving at 20 m/s. Then the cube must be emerging from the portal at 20 m/s, something that is even shown in this misguided animation. Why would the cube suddenly lose that velocity and momentum when it finishes passing through the portal?
Impact with the surface that the cube was previously in contact with. However, there is no such impact that would cause the part of the cube that is already emerging from the portal at 20 m/s to suddenly lose its momentum.
The cube has the same relative movement to the piston as the platform it's on does.Maintaining this would mean that the cube stops when the piston does. The cube is still on the platform at all times.
There's nothing stopping the emerging side of the cube, no force acts on it to slow it down except gravity and air friction, neither of which are dominant in this scenario.
>no force acts on it to slow it down
No force acts to speed it up either. It's still touching the platform.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It's touching the platform until the platform stops and the cube continues on. It's the same as if I'd thrown the cube--just because my hand stops moving as I release the cube doesn't mean the cube would stop.
6 days ago
Anonymous
So the platform is imparting force onto the cube? The platform has no movement relative to the piston or cube anymore though.
6 days ago
Anonymous
By the time the platform stops moving, it has imparted all of the force necessary to give the cube momentum, which we can plainly see in the momentum it has as it emerges from the portal. Think about one particular instant, as it's emerging 50% of the cube's mass is traveling at 20 m/s diagonally. Then eventually 99% of it is traveling at 20 m/s diagonally. Why then would that 99% stop just because the last 1% has finished moving through the portal?
6 days ago
Anonymous
>it has imparted all of the force necessary to give the cube momentum
But it never had any momentum relative to the platform. It needs to gain that momentum somewhere and something without mass won't do.
6 days ago
Anonymous
It has momentum relative to the object it's emerging from. Imagine there's an ant sitting on the other side, watching the cube go through. Relative to that ant, the cube is traveling 20 m/s diagonally and clearly has momentum. There's nothing acting against that momentum when the last 1% passes through.
6 days ago
Anonymous
A portal is not an object, it has no third dimension and no mass.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I'm not saying the portal is an object, I'm referring to the object that the portal is on the surface of--that diagonal-facing platform. Relative to that platform, the cube is travelling 20 m/s diagonally.
6 days ago
Anonymous
And so is the platform, but then they stop moving relative to each other. Therefore the cube on the platform also stops. >but it's through the portal!
It's also still on the platform.
>be bfag >wake up >carefully put shoes on. toes are a little hurt but whatever. its normal. >slowly put your clothes on, get launched a little bit when you do but its fine as long as you dont go through a door >slowly move through doors, fall over and trip whenever you do due to the sudden force >brush your teeth, put the brush in a little too fast and it jabs the back of your throat, ouch! >eating breakfast, whenever you swallow a bite the food is launched down into your stomach, slight ache due to this >oh shit running late for work >slowly go out of your front door and into the car, speeding off. >dont realize that a branch has fallen onto the traffic light, technically turning it into a portal. >as you are speeding past your car suddenly speeds up a few thousand times, blowing past several other cars and turning the people inside into mist >sharp turn ahead >ram into a concrete wall, killing you instantly. >whats left of your body is cremated >as its poured into a jar the dust flies down with excessive force and breaks the jar.
>i modded the game! that means im right! >IM RIGHT IM RIGHT IM RIGHT STOP LAUGHING AT ME! REEEEEEEEEEE.
6 days ago
Anonymous
See [...].
6 days ago
Anonymous
[...]
if you stop at 1:23 you can clearly see that the cube is getting stuck on the side so the force of the moving platform is transfered into the cube which results in it being flung.
B-fags are just dumb and ignorant of the details that make up the universe.
>B makes sense if portals existed >portals don't exist because they don't make sense >A's logic makes sense in the argument that it can't be B, but wrong since they also take a position that requires portals existing, which by definition makes A's logic faulty
In the abstract:
B is right under certain conditions.
A is wrong under any conditions
>be me >A chad >professor brings out the portal gun and piston for a demonstration >I stand in front of the portal and bravely proclaim that I will not be hurt because the box is moving at zero speed >complete my degree online from purgatory because they have hella fast internet
What I don't get is why the hulahoop/door argument is so frowned upon.
If you walk towards the orange portal, you are equally walking towards the blue portal. That makes the comparison between the two completely fair.
>Your post is irrelevant.
So is your memecoded game and this fact makes you mad.
I provided factual proof with the actual game that your memegame is garbage.
I'm superior to you.
>Orange portal is in 1 feet in fron of me. >Blue portal is soemwhere else, doesn't matter where >I walk one feet towards the orange portal, going through it >Now I'm next to the blue portal
I am, by definition, getting closer to the blue portal every time I get closer to the orange portal.
>"the blue portal within the orange portal"
They are the same portal. What kind of nonsense are you talking about here? They are a single entity.
Is this why A fags are dabbing on B fags so hard? Because a simple concept like this gets twisted to nonsensical levels?
You are unable to comprehend that portals break symmetry.
It is a single entity, and it is both moving and not moving. The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not. (Or is, if it's behind the orange portal i.e. the way you are moving, but that's irrelevant.)
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Anonymous
>The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not.
That makes A the only possible solution then.
The entrance and exit are not the same. Moving both sides is not the same as moving just one.
>Moving both sides is not the same as moving just one.
Yes it is, because both are connected. If any object gets close to one portal, gets equally as close to the other.
6 days ago
Anonymous
No, it makes B the only possible solution.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>That makes A the only possible solution then.
Nope. That makes B the only reasonable solution.
There's another valid solution (C: the cube is crushed into a 2D object, unable to move the air behind the portal without force) but nobody supports that one. A doesn't make any sense at all, it goes through and then it stops? So janky.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not.
Wait I read that wrong.
This statement doesn't make sense. Because both portals are one and the same. There isn't "one portal within one portal" both the 'entry' and 'exit' are the same. What you are saying is like saying that there are infinite portals because there's one within one withing another withing another.
To me it sounds like you are clueless and moving the goalposts.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Again you fail to understand how symmetry is broken. It's one and the same, yes. And it is both moving and not moving.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>It's one and the same, yes. And it is both moving and not moving.
This doesn't mean anything to what I'm saying and doesn't argument anything at all.
If a cube gets closer to the orange portal, it gets closer to the blue portal.
This fact, makes A the only real possibility because it turns the portals for all intents and purposes into a hulahoop (as in, both entry and exit move equally thus cancelling each other).
Take a piece of paper and lay it down flat then place a pencil on it. Then take the same piece of paper, fold it in half, and stick the pencil through it.
In 100 years we'll have real portal technology and this argument will be put to rest.
And then the opposite side will be genocided as is the morally correct thing to do.
Okay so the reason why the A argument exists is that people assume that the portals are behaving as though they are the same object or at least physically attached to one another. That is why A arguers bring up a singular door or a singular hula hoop; both portals are being viewed as two different sides of the same object or structure, not two different objects or structures. B assumes that they are not the same object or directly attached to one another. So you would to answer if the portals are somehow attached to each other before you can answer this question.
portals aren't objects
they're spatial deformations
the portal doesn't "move"
space unfolds itself
there's no momentum because nothing is actually moving
the spatial coordinates of the cube simply mean something else
You moved the sheet of graph paper underneath an object sitting on top of it without moving the object. The coordinates changed, but it’s the paper that moved not the object.
And as you keep being told, there's no difference between these situations. They are the same situation. It doesn't matter if it's the paper or the object that results in the alteration to coordinates. Both are movement.
Yes it does matter you retard, because we are discussing the force acting on the object on top of the graph paper. If I move the object a force acted on it, if I move the paper no force acted on it. Yet the coordinates change in both instances.
someone make that patrick wallet meme where the villain tries to explain to patrick how changing space without movement is impossible, but retarded Afag patrick says the cube isnt moving
Wait, but how do you know that it isn't the left? Like I know that the left makes A right and right makes B right, but how do you which one is in the game?
Neither are in the game. Portal's physics can't tolerate a stationary object transiting a portal. The portal may as well not exist.
Let me rephrase that, I know that portals can't move in the game. But you made it sound like the entire hypothetical doesn't make sense. I shouldn't have said "Which one is in the game?", that probably misled you.
But that's wrong, both of those hoop examples support B.
[...]
What force stops the object that is emerging from the portal?
How does left support B? The whole point of the picture is that it is saying that A views the portals as a singular hula hoop, but b views them as seperate objects.
But that's wrong, both of those hoop examples support B.
And so is the platform, but then they stop moving relative to each other. Therefore the cube on the platform also stops. >but it's through the portal!
It's also still on the platform.
What force stops the object that is emerging from the portal?
No force is necessary to "keep it going," that's basic conservation of momentum. Its existing momentum relative to the diagonal platform continues until something stops it.
>Its existing momentum relative to the diagonal platform
So, none because it's sitting still on the platform?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Retards cannot understand that “space moving through space” is impossible and wouldn’t have a velocity because it’s self contradictory
6 days ago
Anonymous
You're definitely trolling.
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How does left support B? The whole point of the picture is that it is saying that A views the portals as a singular hula hoop, but b views them as seperate objects.
If something emerges from the top of the hula hoop at a rate of 20 m/s, it wouldn't suddenly stop traveling at that speed without some impeding force.
6 days ago
Anonymous
Is it on the platform or not?
Hint: the Answer is "yes"
Okay, I've finally accepted reality. After months of these threads, I've given up.
In the next thread on, I am going to be an A fag and just consistently ignore everything anyone says at me, and just repeat "hoops" and "what force causes it to move".
And the results are in...
It appears that A stands for Anal Cancer, while B stands for Big Boobies.
Yes, the awards will be distributed over the following week. Check your mailbox for your cancer diagnosis or pornography as appropriate.
In the real world, there would be air moving out from the orange portal that slows down the cube
The portals clearly don't rely on real world physics or else chell would be fucking dead
The conditions surrounding the orange portal will create a vacuum that sucks out air from the blue space.
I don't know what this nonsense about air displacement is but it's completely irrelevant to the problem
This is accurate
>gives momentum to the cube
You don't understand relativity
It can't be accurate because the portal is at rest and no outside force acts on it.
>the portal is at rest
All observers are at rest in their own frame of reference. The orange portal and blue portal are the same point (plane) in space, but the orange aperture is accelerating while the blue is stationary (from our perspective).
This acceleration is accurately represented by the orange "side" moving in that diagram. Keep relativity in mind, as far as physics are concerned there is no difference between an object moving towards you versus you moving toward an object.
The orange portal is moving at 999m/s so the air transfer from blue space to orange space is at 999m/s. Understand?
That's retarded. The cube doesn't have some sort of internal property called "speed" that has to be mantained as a numeric value when it comes outside the exit portal. What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal. The cube in your pic is literally going through the portal at 1m/s. And that's how it would look from the exit portal. The cube exits at 1m/s.
that's what the gif is arguing. that what happens in it is dumb. it's made by a b supporter to show how a doesn't make any sense.
Yes, the point of that gif is demonstrating that Afags are retarded and fundamentally do not understand the problem
Correct, because the atmosphere in blue is being sucked out at 999 m/s
If it were being sucked, the cube wouldn't even be able to push through. If it's being pushed, it'd be pushed at 1m/s, not 1000m/s.
It reaches a state of equilibrium where the cube will still be moving at 1000 m/s and the portal at 999 m/s. Thus the cube enters the blue space at a relative of 1 m/s.
I'm B-fag and I'll say your graph is wrong. As the other anon said, 1m/s is maintained, it should exist at 1m/s and then be affected by whatever is on the other side.
See
The box wouldn't slowly enter the blue one actually. As soon as it entered, the speed differential would shoot the rest of the box through the blue portal immediately. Or, as another possibility, the box is torn to bits as it enters the blue portal.
Disingenuous. There should only be one moving platform. The one on the right there gives momentum to the cube which was not present in the original problem
Relative to the stationary portal, everything beyond the moving portal aside from the portal itself has momentum
Wtf no. You drive a car and hit a wall the wall has mass, not momentum. You are transferring momentum to the wall.
Momentum is relative.
Congrats on failing a grade school level knowledge check.
The cube's momentum relative to the atmospheric condition at blue space is zero so the cube wouldn't fly off in blue's atmosphere.
momentum is relative mathematically. not literally.
mathematically theres infinite dimensions, that doesnt mean theres like a literal place called the 8th dimension where a cube has 60 right angles and humans can travel to it if they have the right technology.
this sort of math is meant to be practical not literal.
>momentum is relative mathematically. not literally.
again, another retard that thinks numbers are some innate property of objects
nothing is absolute in physics
"portal frame" magically has the pedestal the cube is on moving while it is stationary
Put a die on a table, the die is at rest, take a cup and invert it over the die before then pushing the cup down so that it covers the die.
The die does not keep moving after the cup has come to rest.
It's literally this simple
Inb4: it's a portal not a cup.
The portal is just a cup with a universe on the other side of the opening
It is moving relative to the portal. That's what frames of reference mean.
You think yourself so smart, b fag. Solve this, then:
A portal goes down at 10km/s to an anal bead perfectly aligned.
What's the speed of the last anal bead to cross the portal? Is it 10km/s? If not, why?
not him
i think something longer than a cube would be both A and B: it would come out of the portal at 10km, but since there the thing itself is not moving it would come at a full stop once the portal stops too
Typical idiot. The object has 0 momentum and it will remain with 0 momentum until an outside force is applied.
The 'portal frame' is meaningless nonsense. SPACE is not an observer in relativity, OBJECTS are. The portal is not an object but a distorted feature in spacetime. Ergo it is not a valid observation point in terms of relativity.
It's similar to how OBJECTS can't exceed the speed of light, but SPACE can - why? Because it isn't limited by general relativity.
Therefore, the correct option is option B. The cube stays put with 0 momentum until it crosses the portal threshold, upon which the cube's geodesic points towards the Earth's centre and it plops down to the ground.
By option B I mean the first one. I got the two mixed up.
>SPACE IS NOT AN OBJECT.
>ONLY OBJECTS CAN BE OBSERVERS.
I'm gonna need you to tell me what you think the definition of an observer is in the context of frames of reference before you post this again
Preferably with an academic source
I'm gonna need you to pass high school physics before you address me again
That's a shame, if you're not willing to admit your mistake and learn I'll just put you in the "disregard on sight" pile with the hoopfags
what is your practical definition of "space" in this context?
Velocity is a relative measurement.
Momentum is a function of velocity and is therefore also relative.
How does A reconcile this issue? What if there is something blocking the exit? Can you claim the ground isn't imparting a force?
Is the piston exerting enough force to deform the cube?
if it's exerting a force, it's also going to go flying if there is nothing to stop it.
Correct. So the left platform or the right stationary piston will give way if not the cube. Either one.
We agree
This is literally the same as if the piston had an indented surface, it can't exist at the same point as another solid matter.
Are you saying that you can't block the exit? or that A isn't possible?
It would noclip through reality
Looking at this, it would be ground to dust/crushed, no?
Even if there isn’t force being applied or whatever, the cube would have to emerge on the other side no matter what, since the portal hits the surface.
Therefore it would either be crushed, or if it’s stronger than the blockage then break through even without momentum since it’s two different objects trying to occupy the same space.
Now imagine, there is air. It's pushing against air at the speed the yellow portal is coming down. Shouldn't that speed be maintained, at least until the yellow portal stops pushing it in?
I don’t know.
I’m not here to comment, this just came up in the catalogue.
I assumed this was in an airless environment.
This discussion is as dumb as powerlevel threads tbh
Literally retarded. The platform the cube is on is not moving on the left, but is moving on the right? Ganker is full of low IQ morons.
Literally retarded. It's moving in relation to the portal.
Nothing can move relative to the portal because the portal isn't a physical object. The entire room is moving relative to the piston and stops when the piston and platform collide, therefore the cube stops.
You aren't paying attention, the portal has a location and it's changing relative to something. It doesn't matter if it's not physical. Location is changing.
>the portal has a location
No, the piston does. The piston is the only thing moving because the portal isn't an object.
????
A-fags now arguing that the conceptual entrance/exit of something does not have a location.
Jump at the end of a falling elevator fallacy. Can't isolate the situation like that because physics exists.
>It's moving in relation to the portal
You're moving in relation to a car driving past your house outside. If the car slams on its brakes, do you fly out of your chair?
>Atards not even pretending to talk about portals now
lmao
LOL what the fuck are you smoking? Try to draw it, I want to see your logic, I really want to see it. Please anon, draw it. Draw your logic. Do it.
You need someone to draw a picture of a car driving past your house in order to understand what happens to (You) when any car in the world slams on its brakes?
The point is that the cube is at relative rest. Its energy is entirely potential. Using a portal to put it into a different room won't send it rocketing through the sky, because it must conserve its energy first to its relative self.
Yes, draw it. Please anon, let us see your logic.
What happens to you standing in a fast moving train with 200km/h slamming it's magical breaks and coming to a stand instantly?
>The point is that the cube is at relative rest
Why use buzzwords if you don't understand what they mean?
Do you even think you know what it means?
Why can this ball stand on the portal?
That's the box's shadow
Then where is the other portal?
Did A-Fags completely lose it?
Are you retarded?
There are no fucking portals involved in a box being placed on top of a ball.
How does it relate to anything in this thread?
Did A-Fags completely lose it?
Does a box being placed on top of a ball cause the ball to move?
What if the box is placed over the ball, like, really fucking fast? The ball is moving really fucking fast from the box's frame of reference!
So what happens to the ball?
okay, so theres another, totally unrelated box next to it. theres a ball inside of it. it flys out really, really fucking fast, but then just....stops. from zero to light speed back to zero.
reddit spacing for emphasis and for you to fallacy away
why did the ball stop?
>but wut about other boxes!?
There's no other box. There's a big box -- even the size of the universe. When it pulls down over the ball, the ball doesn't fly away. No matter how fast the box is moving.
this box is inside that bigger box, anon. we are talking regular portals, not inter-dimensional portals.
Functionally, for all intents and purposes,there is no difference in this discussion
kek you don't even understand basic perspective and you want to talk about maths?
Also, hoolahoop logic Afag, what a surprise, thanks you proving my point
I understand perspective far better than you.
If you don't understand the significance of "object at rest" then you don't understand perspective.
Who gives a fuck what the portal thinks? It's an observer -- a doorway.
>It's an observer
And it observes speed.
Bfags are trolling at this point right?
You just made the portal into a hula-hoop but still claim it’s B.
Let's see a pedestal frame of reference
>this retard thinks the universe revolves around the moving pillar, like it isn't affected by gravity.
fucking retard doesn't understand gravity or gravitational forces.
if you look at the second portal B makes more sense. if you look at the first portal A makes more sense.
How long have we been talking about this
Ganker is incapable of being anything other than perpetually wrong and desires to prove so on a daily basis. This will continue until the heat death of the universe.
When someone is right the discussion dies, but when someone is perpetually wrong the discussion continues forever.
Exactly. The cube continues moving at the same speed it approached the portal, as depicted in
>NOOO THE PORTAL WAS MOVING NOT THE CUBE
There is literally no difference.
There is a difference because you aren't moving, the world isn't moving, and the cube sure as shit isn't moving because of the portal.
>you aren't moving, the world isn't moving, and the cube sure as shit isn't moving
Three strikes, you're out
I accepted your concession long before I made the post. Congrats.
but all motion is relative. every object is stationary in relation to itself, and only moves from the perspective of other objects. if the cube gets closer to the portal, then from the portal's perspective the cube is moving, and from the cube's perspective the portal is moving
The portal doesn't have a perspective. You can't touch a hole.
Then explain what I did to your mum last night
Did your dick fly off when you put it in? Like in B?
This isn't true, and also gravity is a factor.
>The cube continues moving
It wasn't moving in the first place.
Define not moving
>the cube changed its position in space without moving
Afags are at it again
If an object changes position in space even through a portal, that is a form of motion.
>no multi track drifting
cute gote
loss?
That's exactly how back-to-back portals behave under B.
See https://youtu.be/ao1qVi5Qp3Y?t=122.
Aren’t all portals technically back to back since there is no space between them?
Firstly, it's pretty clear that the thread is talking about the hypothetical situation with real world physics and not how the source engine would resolve it. Secondly, some dumb shit's approximation of the source engine is an argument constructed out of "trust me bro." Thirdly, cubes almost always hit the edges of the portal in the experiments they were conducted which ragdolls the cubes in the source engine.
Momentum is a measurable unit, my guy. In your poor strawman the car has a measurable amount of momentum and the wall has exactly 0. Likewise
Here's what it looks like in the ACTUAL, REAL game not some rewritten cope game.
I said it's how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant.
My post is literally the game engine and the game the way it was coded.
Your post is a coded cope game.
Hahahaha you have been proven wrong literally by the game. Keep (You) me with your seething now that you have been unarguably proven wrong.
You have the reading comprehension of a donkey.
>game obviously sends him airborne
Afags are the biggest retards I've ever seen
AHHAHAHAHAHAHA BFAG ON SUICIDE WATCH
you should probably learn to read, he jumps as the portal reaches him
You know why he adds a jump? Because he can't enter the portal if he's stationary.
Even Portal itself is an A-king, it's OVER for B turds
>Here's what it looks like in the ACTUAL, REAL game
False. Stop lying.
>This is the real game
It isn't. Stop lying.
i'm about to make an actual test chamber in portal 2 to figure this shit out in actual game physics, because the retard behind
put chell in the portal, not the fucking cube.
>put chell in the portal, not the fucking cube
What a weird cope. Chell and the cubes behave the exact same way in the game.
no they don't, also it wouldve been clearer to see how it functioned in a third person view, there was no reason to put chell there.
>this is your brain on Btardness cope
lmao
>Chell and the cubes behave the exact same way in the game.
>bfags are wojack morons
>wojack morons are confirmed retarded
the truth... revealed.
then put the cube in, I don't want to give B fags any more fuel for their retardation. It's gotten bad enough now they're just presenting A arguments and saying "SEE! I WAS A B FAG!"
>It's gotten bad enough now they're just presenting A arguments and saying "SEE! I WAS A B FAG!"
Why? It means that you won. Let them cope and pretend all they want. Deep inside they know they are literal retards that had to bend the knee to superior minds.
>they're just presenting A arguments
Which are actually arguments for B, lmao.
That's how stupid Atards are.
Lolno. That's a hacked version of the game because the game doesn't even support movable portals. have a nice day disinformation agent.
>the game doesn't even support movable portals
That's factually wrong and every time you cope you make my dick hard because I know that it's causing you huge distress.
you retards understand that the cube got stuck on the physical sides and that the momentum of the moving platform is being transfered into the cube.
fucking RETARDS.
you B-fags and your momentum are retarded. Momentum is not a thing in this situation because there is no actual Momentum being applied to the box, the portals never interact "with" the box. The portals are just wormholes connecting 2 places, no more. gave you an ilustrative answer long ago, if you cannot complehend it with it then I'm sorry.
Ignoring what happens afterwards, does the speed that platform moves down influence the speed that the cube "emerges" from the portal?
No because the cube emerges from the other side at the same pace that gets in. The moment the platforms collide, the box is on the other side already.
>does X matter
>no because X matters
a fags have rotten brains lmao
Portals change momentum in game. After all, direction is part of momentum.
Oh, but you're not changing direction RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL because momentum is preserved RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL in game.
Funny you say INGAME, because there are no moving portals in the game.
But all i said has to do with stationary portals (Relative to the lab, I add for clarity despite it being pointless to try and convince an Afag that's a thing), and if Portals behave that way when "stationary" we must say they behave the same way when "moving". If we don't then portals can't exist as advertised, which I suppose is an answer to the problem, just not the one we were looking for.
relative_velocity(cube, entance_portal) = relative_orientation(exit_portal, entrance_portal) @ relative_velocity(cube, exit_portal)
kek this perfectly describes how i feel about Afags
Momentum isn't relative in the manner at which the video implies. The cube has 0 ft/s momentum regardless of how quick the piston is moving. Furthermore, a threshold is also not a physical object and thus doesn't carry momentum.
>The cube has 0 ft/s momentum regardless of how quick the piston is moving.
It's not exiting the portal at that speed, the threshold is crossing it and after a certain amount of travel time from the piston relative to gravitational forces pulling the cube down, it eventually topples. The cube has no momentum.
>my car isn't moving toward the wall, the wall is moving toward me!
Anon...
The portal isn’t an object, you are moving a point in space through space to another point in space which literally isn’t possible irl. Arguing with physics is meaningless, it’s a hula hoop.
Let me highlight the particularly relevant section this time so you understand
>What only matters to determine how fast the cube is going to exit is how fast it's crossing the portal.
The portal isn’t a thing. It doesn’t exist nothing is being crossed. All you have done is changed the location of a point in space.
Let me highlight my response again since you ignored it previously
>I'm not moving toward the portal, the portal is moving toward me!
Trying to make this distinction is an admission that you don't understand how frames of reference work
>All you have done is changed the location of a point in space.
This is defined as "motion"
At what speed did the cube move through the portal?
>the cube wasn't moving
then the cube must not have changed locations
>Trying to make this distinction is an admission that you don't understand how frames of reference work
Trying to argue that a threshold is an object is an admission that you're chummin the waters.
Would you rather we say "the surface the portal is on (which is both two diffrent surfaces and the same one at the same time)" frame? Oh, or maybe "Lab frame (exit portal side)" Besides your arbitrary rule being wrong and arbitrary, we can define plenty of things as the frame of refrence which would have a similar result.
Every single point in space is a valid frame of reference.
I don't know who told you they need to be centered on an "object" (or more accurately the "point" in space that an object occupies), but they were wrong.
Motion is an object moving through space
Portals is a hypothetical scenario where you can move space itself
There is nothing to indicate that making a Portal exerts a force on space, it just works by magic to make a hula hoop in between two points.
Hula hoops do not alter your location in space, therefore portals are not hula hoops.
A portal doesn’t alter your location in space
It alters a point in space’s location in space
>ft
Stopped reading.
You son of a bitch. What a perfect meme
Daily reminder that all the (B)loops are just trolling
have a nice day
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/625209114/#q625209942
https://www.construct.net/en/free-online-games/moving-portal-toy-33487/play
The cube never moves off the platform and will keep moving at the same relative speed to the platform.
Until gravity at least.
The platform stops when it hits the piston but the cube keeps going, like how you'd fly through a windshield when your car hits a wall because you were too dumb to wear a seatbelt.
Why does the cube keep going when it's still on the non moving platform?
In your example the car I'm in was moving which is completely different.
The platform is moving toward the piston. See
Hope this helps!
The platform stops when it hits the piston.
And the cube keeps moving, just like you keep moving when your car hits a wall.
Why would the cube move when it never moved in the first place?
Portals are 2 points in space with distance of 0
The cube is moving. Please consult
again. Look carefully this time and try to understand it. Maybe it would help you if they labelled it?
You've given up arguing and just want to stare at a gif. Leave the conversation with the adults.
>Bfag goes through a portal
>goes exactly as expected exiting the same speed he entered relative to the portals
>Afag goes through a portal
>Slams into the far wall at 67,000 mph because his absolute speed as he hurtles through space is 67,000 and the portals facing different directions cause all that speed to change direction
Face it, if Afags were right portals would all be lethal.
But the cube isn't moving. It only looks that way through the portal, but the portal is the moving thing, it's a reference point and at no point does it interact with the object.
You couldn't make the portal bounce by tickling it through the threshold, could you? The only force it could deal with is the opposing gravitational orientation.
The portal isn't moving. If you reached through the blue portal, would the orange end shoot forward and hit you? Of course not.
On the other hand, you'd better watch out for that platform rising up to crush your hand, and that cube that's gonna get launched when the platform stops.
You can't touch the threshold. It's a hole in space and time. It can't push nor pull you, and since it never interacted with you there would be no effect on your physical state. The only effect you'd feel is weight coming from the direction of gravity's new orientation.
Could you not stick your hand in the portal and "grab" it, such that your fingers are gripping the surface connected to one side and your thumb is gripping the other?
Would your hand get ripped apart because "the portal is moving?" Or would it not be exactly like grabbing the edge of your desk right now?
The portal is not moving.
Do you also think the universe inside the portal slams into itself sideways when the portal suddenly stops?
>the universe inside the portal
???
That's the only way your point functions. Is if you view the universe inside the portal as a a different wrung and is acting towards the parallel of it through the portal.
Are you retarded?
Portals change momentum without touching you in regular gameplay, nevermind the theoretical. Momentum is a vector, direction is a part of all vectors, that's why it's momentum instead of just Speed
Terrible analogy. In a car, you are also traveling at the same speed, so of course you'd fly through the windshield when it comes to an instant halt. The cube simply isn't moving at all. Momentum couldn't magically transfer to the cube because nothing ever makes physical contact with it besides the floor. The reason people think it'd fly out is because they're focused on the moving portal vessel velocity. Because the other end of the portal is stagnate, it's like that velocity never existed in the first place.
Define "not moving" without trying to enforce an objective frame of reference.
Oh who am I kidding, you don't even know what a frame of reference is. Or what "Objective" means here.
No, no. No need to kid. I actually didn't know what frame of reference truly was. Now I do, thanks to you. Einstein was completely a monster when it came to physics. Wish he could be here to see this thread.
Although I can see better why you'd argue that the cube would fly out, I still stand by what I said. Ignoring the cube for a second--If you reached inside of the blue portal at the moment the orange portal made contact with where the cube would be, your hand wouldn't get crushed.
This thread is the perfect example of a scissor statement, and I wish death upon every low IQ moron who posts in here.
pick side or gtfo
no one cares about your shitty mod, you could pogram it to be either answers
It's how portals behave under B.
And I programmed my dog to jump exactly how I want him to, now shit the fuck up
>no one cares about your shitty mod
>he thinks he was the one that made the mod
let me guess, every time sixty seconds pass, a minute goes away?
fucking zoomers
The momentum isn't magically appearing, it's coming from the other portal slamming down. That energy can't just disappear
Why do we have daily threads now?
These used to be weekly or even bi-weekly
you mean A-weekly?
I'm not Italian
Everyone but literal third worlders agrees on B
yep, it shows the level of american education
Yes, we agree on B not being the answer.
Where are you from?
USA
>makes OK sign
>puts finger through one end
>finger shoots the fuck out the other end like a rocket
FUCKKKKKKK
Either answer would require an objective viewpoint, which does not exist.
The effects of relativity do not require a universal reference point.
The exact opposite is true, they preclude a universal reference point from existing.
This is what people fail to understand when they try to claim "you could see it moving and not moving at the same time" as a paradox (that and a childish misunderstanding of what being an "observer" means)
Its A. Before any gay says "but muh momentum is relative..." Ok. I ask you this: relative to what? If you say the portals, then congrats, you are retarded.
Relative to deez nuts
If you're asking "relative to what" and you're supporting A, you don't know what "relative momentum" means. Here's a hint, there's no correct answer to that question.
Imagine you put yourselft in place of the box. Then you look up and you see the portal coming. It doesnt matter if the portal is comming at the speed of light because the portal is not an actual object. If you cross the portal stationary, you will cross it stationary because there is no actual force being applied to the object. Its like saying and arbitrary point of space time is an object. Its not. There is no relative momentum because there is no direct interaction witth the object passing the portal, you are specultating based on a false premise.
>If you cross the portal stationary, you will cross it stationary
All objects are "stationary" in their own frame of reference.
They're still moving.
And the two portals are still in relative space to it. One is not on the moon while the other is in Idaho.
Another person who gets it. The portal is not a 'thing', it's just distorted spacetime, so the cube does not need to conserve speed in relation to it. The portal is not an observer.
Define stationary.
not moving relative to the lab. There is no relative to the portals because the portal are not a valid point of reference. B literally breaks reality. What happens if both portals are moving at the speed of light? B is litterally impossible.
Oops, you defined a particular frame of reference as more important than any other. Try again.
>B literally breaks reality
Universal frames of reference do not exist
>Cube emerges from the blue portal according to a """""stationary""""" observer standing in the lab
Oh fuck guys that's movement you've invalidated your point before you even started with whatever other bullshit you were on about before.
Precisely. The portal is not an object. It is just a region of spacetime.
SPACE IS NOT AN OBJECT.
ONLY OBJECTS CAN BE OBSERVERS.
Therefore the portal is not a observer in relativity and there is no conservation of speed in relation to the portal.
The cube conserves speed (0) relative to the platform it is on and the environment around it, therefore it does not shoot out the other end for no reason.
Proving A right, nice.
Situation 3 cannot happen. The box will perpetually be pulled by orange and blue portals until it finally falls down by gravity. Once the box exits the blue portal, the orange portal pulls it back and at the same time pushes it back by the movement of the train.
It's the same situation, 3 times. Sorry anon, your IQ is too low.
>make situation that depends on impossible variables
>pretend its truth
>"uh sorry your IQ is too low"
Nah situation 3 relies on the movement of the train and the box just floats. 2 actually gives force to the box multiplied by the velocity of the train.
What is the earth moving? What is the sun moving across the milky way? What is the milky way moving? You yourself are moving at 30 kilometers per second across space, can you say you aren't moving?
Because the air around you is also moving at the same speed
Your animation is wrong. It should have stopped the moment it hits the portal, but instead it gains twice the speed on its way out relative to a stationary observer. Your example literally breaks physics, you disingenuos gay.
>Relative to a stationary observer
You haven't defined stationary, and you haven't established why a stationary observer is more important than any other frame of reference.
>Its A.
No it's B.
>this is what Afags actually believe
Bfags are literal children who get distracted by le blue and orange circles
Put a coin on the ground and slam down a cylinder on it. Does your coin shoot out the top of the cylinder? No? Then why do you support B? The portals are the same exact thing as the cube.
How does your hypothetical experiment prove anything? You're just slamming a coin. Anon, you are just retarded.
except force is being put onto the arrow by the bow.
at no point in the portal problem does anything touch or influence the cube's momentum other than gravity.
Are we at the "emerging" stage yet?
It's hard to wrap my head around it because the moving portal is like, pulling everything from the other side along with it. Like could the cube be crushed from the air pressure coming down that fast on it.
I still don't know why it would go flying though.
Assuming portals could exist then it would have to be B.
Anyone who supports B is someone who thinks that if you drop a big hoop over someone's head, the person should shoot into the air like a rocket.
After all, from the hoop's point of view you are accelerating towards it, so you should automatically leap in the air when it drops over you!
in universe b, if you place a portal on the bottom of a giant cube, and another portal at the top, and drop it on someone so that the portal falls over them, they won't fly into the air, because the thing that causes them to be launched is the fact that the ends of the portal are moving independantly of each other.
Not the same situation, the gravity vector changed. Invalid comparison.
It's the exact same situation. The portal is just a glorified hoop or tunnel. If you don't get that you are a simpleton that gets distracted by irrelevant details and there's no point convincing you otherwise.
Please show me a hoop or tunnel with 2-dimensional spatially disconnected apertures
That's what the portals are anon
Why exactly do Atards think 2 moving portals that cancel out each other's relative velocities is the same as 1 moving portal?
False. See
.
Ignore this guy
and his fake game cope video
This is the real game
and the real result
Why are Afags so obsessed with hula hoops and doorways? Do they not see how deranged they sound?
they are incapable of seeing the difference hoola hoops and the two portals in picture. They unironically think a hoola hoop is a good comparison, and despite how many times it's explained that its not, they just ignore it.
Suppose the only 3 things in the world are the box, the entrance portal, and the exit portal.
How do you define the behavior of the box in terms of the relative velocities of these 3 things with respect to each other?
alright bfags, lets try arguing with your logic.
we have three chickens, one goes moo and lays milk, another goes meow and lays pancakes, the third is actually a quantum chicken that shits out eggs at an unknown rate between dimensions.
how many times does a dog have to quack at a flying toaster with a worm riding it for the dead chicken to lay one diamond thats equal in value to bitcoin in BC 1900?
I love how A-Fags literally disregard physics and mathematics and all they have is
>NO THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS
>IMAGINE HOOLA HOOPS
I bet A-Fags are all americans
>DOOD THE CUBE SUDDENLY HAS A BAJILLION MOMENTUM ADDED TO IT BECAUSE... IT JUST DOES OK?!?!?!
>Afag learns about gravity
exactly, gravity is the only force acting upon the cube.
its A.
What's the difference between 2 drivers driving with 100km/h directly into each other and me driving with 200km/h into your stationary ass?
You're describing a transfer of energy between two objects, either the two trucks or the truck and the person being hit by the truck (my ass).
In the case of the portal problem the only object in the problem with any momentum is the piston, what is the piston transferring its energy to? It isn't the cube, so if the cube isn't having any energy transferred to it then how could it accelerate?
but what if it already has a bajillion momentum?
But it is a hoola hoop
Just because it is coloured orange and blue does not make it any less of a hoola hoop
It acts exactly like a hoola hoop
You can't move half a hula hoop.
The thing I get sick of in these threads is someone makes a good point on either side that's genuinely compelling, and then the thread seems to bend around it like water so people can get to posting webms at each other.
This debate is dead.
Yes, when Afags' points are decisively refuted they just ignore the post no matter how many times you link it back to them.
B chads are literally arguing with theory of relativity here and creating webms that literally show the absurdity of the opposite faction while A fags are just screeching and saying physics ain't real
A fags literally always get their points disputed, and their only rebuttal is "that's not how I think physics words"
B fags use physics, thought experiments, and point out the logical inconsistencies in A fags internal models, and they just ignore it because "the cube wasn't moving"
If I threw the cube at 5 m/s at a portal heading towards me at 10 m/s, and the exit portal is 100 meters above me, dropping at a constant 3 m/s, how fast will the cube be going when it hits me?
You may assume there is no air friction.
A fags cant comprehend basic relativity
pathetic ngl
garden gnome test
>muh relativity
>muh nihilism
hula hoop wins every time
Actually you don't even know how a hoop works
See
B fags have to be trolling at this point
There is no other explanation
Do they see someone put on a ring on his finger and expect the finger to violently shoot off his hand
Unbelievable
Same question then:
How do you put on a ring such that only the side you are entering is moving but not the side you are exiting?
Please post a webm demonstrating this behavior.
>a hole in space is two entities
Seems like the problem is that you don't understand that the portals are a single entity.
If the orange portal is moving towards an object, the blue portal is doing the same by definition as they are one and the same thing.
>the blue portal isn't actually moving in the thought experiment that explicitly has it moving, trust me bro!!!
Ok retard.
How retarded are you?
If one end of the portal is moving, so is the other.
That greentext doesn't make any sense because I'm saying the literal opposite. You are low IQ.
Afags just aren't able to think abstractly enough
By definition, it's impossible to convince them of why B is correct. It's basically like two groups arguing in a different language.
It's not that Afags don't understand what you say. They just don't understand what you mean.
>DOOD YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND
>THE CUBE HAS FORCE MAGICALLY ADDED TO IT!
>WHERE DOES THIS FORCE COME FROM... THE PORTAL!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT POINT OUT HOW PORTALS WORK IN GAME!!!!!
>DOOD YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND
>THE BALL HAS FORCE MAGICALLY ADDED TO IT!
>WHERE DOES THIS FORCE COME FROM... THE EARTH!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT ASK ME TO EXPLAIN BY WHAT MECHANISM THIS FORCE IS APPLIED!!!!!
but replace cube with ball.
You're standing inside of a moving train with an orange portal placed on the wall. The blue portal is placed on the wall inside of a stationary room. If you step into the orange portal, will you:
>A: Step normally into the room.
>B: Violently shoot out and begin tumbling in the same direction the train had been moving.
switch those answers so it's less confusing.
Same as putting one leg out on ground and one leg on the moving train.
A, therefore B.
>passenger isnt constantly moving at the speed of train
least retarded A fag
You realize that question is posited to show why B is correct, right?
As soon as any part of your body entered the orange portal it would be instantly ripped off (or broken/deformed) due to the speed differential.
Isn't it the other way around?
This scenario is different; the train that you are on is moving, therefore you are moving. That's like if you opened a door on a moving train and stepped out. The portal problem isn't that; it's like if a train was moving towards you but had a hole big enough for you to fit in without the train touching your body. The train would just pass over you without you moving.
>The portal problem isn't that; it's like if a train was moving towards you but had a hole big enough for you to fit in without the train touching your body. The train would just pass over you without you moving.
That is literally not what's happening since in the portal problem that hole is you moving between two points in space.
It's not real moving you through two points in space so much as it is connecting them. It's a like wormhole; a magic tunnel that somehow has no length.
a fags can't even realise how a hula hoop is different from two portals moving together in the exact same way, and you expect them to be able to tell the difference between a hula hoop and two portals moving independantly of each other?
The surface the portal is on, the piston, moves.
The rest of the room is thus moving relatively in regards to the piston.
The piston stops moving when it hits the platform, thus halting the relative movement of everything else in the room.
Therefore the cube halts, until gravity pulls it off the now sloped surface.
>still no replies
Bkeks I expected better from you...
why do so many left-leaning 'creatives' turn out to be sex pests
because they're a fags.
It's A and always has been you can try it in portal yourself. Moving portals do whacky shit but you will get A 99% of the time.
so you would say this gif is accurate?
OK as a trans woman I say the cube should fly out
I'm trans and black and I say A
Why do A fags believe that objects have objective momentum?
Every dedicated bottom I've fucked has been an Afag.
Every dedicated top that has fucked me has been a Bfag.
>relativity says all frames of reference are correct
>question is "which of the two options is the actual frame of reference"
fucking retards, the actual answer is that A and B are both correct as long as they actually happen. It's a philisophical paradox, because you get to choose the outcome, that outcome becomes correct by virtue of relativity stating all frames of reference are correct
it's impossible for a frame of reference to have two outcomes in relativity
almost like portals are fictional and couldn't exist in real loif
Are centrists like you even dumber than A-Fags?
>animefag chud drops the shittiest take
whoa, stop the presses
You are correct.
HOWEVER, if we accept that portals exist exactly as they appear in the game, then it's B because portals in the game preserve momentum (the directional component specifically) only relative to the portal's frame of reference.
Game is an A-chad
The unmodded game will just break and not let the cube through the portal, you can change the code to be whatever you want, eat my entire ass.
>The unmodded game
That webm is the unmodded game with the moving portal option (off by default) turned on. Cope and seethe.
Yeah sure it is, whatever you fuckin say.
If we want to remove the ambiguity of potentail mods in webms, we could just ask the devs what they would have done
Oh wait, we did, and it was B, and you're ignoring that because it's inconvenient to your point.
>Oh wait, we did, and it was B
Oh yeah? Prove it.
Protip: You can't because that never happened and you are COPING hard.
HAHAHAHAH BFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>That webm is the unmodded game
False. Stop lying.
it would take you all of what, 15 minutes to download the game and the map and try it.
And you'll find objects get stuck with moving portals.
Lying little rat.
See above.
>See above.
I don't need to. I'm already in your head and I'm gonna be there for a long time after wiping the floor with you. Everyone witness of it, too. Ihave even taken screenshots to post them when the new threads show up in the catalog. HAHAHHAHAH you are literally my pet.
You can cope all you want but ultimately you know that you are wrong and that I won the internet argument. This makes you extremely mad because of your uncontrolled dunning-kruger fueled autism. I'm better than you and I demonstrated it here in front of everyone. Your are the laughing stock of the thread.
Hahaha ez.
EXCEPT you fucking B-fags momentum ALSO abides by relativity and a cube flying through a portal ALSO has momentum relative to a 3rd observer in the room, hence momentum is preserved. Portal-relative momentum is no more correct that observer-relative momentum, A and B are equally correct, it's really that SIMPLE
What the fuck is that real?
Bfags:
>speedy cube goes in
>speedy cube comes out
Afags:
>speedy cube goes in
>stationary cube comes out
Just like my speedy dick in your mom's pussy
>speedy cube goes in
The cube's at rest, dumbass.
How fast did it enter the portal?
It didn't because you can't enter something with 0 depth.
How fast did it enter the portal?
It didn't enter the portal because the portal has no inside, it has 0 depth.
It did not enter anything, it remained at rest.
see
The portal doesn't think so.
The portal doesn’t actually exist. You moved the point in space that the cube occupies by magic, there isn’t a force acting on the cube.
>You moved the point in space that the cube occupies
This is the same as moving the cube.
There doesn't need to be "a force". The cube is now moving (without force, by magic) per your own words.
No, you moved the point in space. It is not the same as moving the cube. It is like you are spinning a roulette wheel, the arrow is in the same position
>No, you moved the point in space. It is not the same as moving the cube.
These are the same. Changing a point in space is moving.
No it isn’t. Moving is changing your location within space. Portals change the location of a point in space to overlap with another point in space. You can’t move space itself irl
>Portals change the location of a point in space to overlap with another point in space.
Which thereby changes its location, and is therefore movement. You can't semantics your way out of this.
If you step through a portal 5 feet away and come out 5 miles away do you use the energy of running 5 miles or 5 feet?
Obviously you use the energy of moving 5 feet even if your location changed by 5 miles. The force differential happens when you changed the location of the space you were moving through, but you can’t move space. It’s magic hula hoop.
Still can't semantics out of it, buddy. Not in the same location means you moved. "Force differential" doesn't even enter into it.
The space moved, not you. Otherwise portals don’t even work.
There is no difference between space moving around you and you moving.
“Space moving around you” doesn’t exist irl
You are getting “space” confused with “surroundings”
It doesn't have to "exist irl". In this thought experiment, a portal is space moving around you.
You realize portals don't exist in real life either?
No shit gay. Because they are impossible because you can’t move the location of a point in space to another point in space. Objects exist within space, but in portal you have the magic power to move a point in space without exerting any force on the objects that occupy it.
There is no force, it’s magic. No matter what frame of reference you take THERE IS NO FORCE
So then how do you explain the moving train example?
The moving train example isn’t relevant since you’re dealing with the consequences of linking a point in space with radically different acting forces on them rather than linking a point in space where no force is applied on either end.
That doesn't make sense because the train is essentially just the original example but in reverse, where rather than being a stationary object made to move you're a moving object made to be stationary. You're basically saying that in the original argument A is true but in the train example B is true.
The point you keep missing is that moving the space around an object doesn’t follow the same rules as moving an objects surroundings. The magic by which portals operate is that you can change points in space to other points in space.
When you are on the train the train is a valid point of reference because it is your surroundings
Moving space itself is not a valid point of reference
>Moving space itself is not a valid point of reference
Why?
Because it defies the laws of physics. Like I said if you use a portal to travel 5 miles but your body only used the energy to travel 5 feet where did the rest of that energy come from? Well the energy had to be used to move the space, but how does that work?
Yes there is.
Explain what it is.
Do try, I want to see you try. I would love to see if you can actually explain it in any sensible manner.
I can only explain it to you if you understand that portals change the position of space within space.
I understand that, now explain the difference. Don't just say it's different, you already said that. Explain the difference now.
If movement is dependent on the position of space then there would be unaccounted for momentum imparted into an object, we can call this the B force.
Using Portals numbered 1 and 2 we change the location of space within space. Lets say we have 50 miles between the portals.
Object is stationary and leaves the portal 1's area of space entering portal 2's area of space.
Object remains stationary unless the B force acts upon it.
So the answer would be A unless space can act upon objects.
It cannot rise from the boundary of portal 2 AT ALL without force. Therefore moving space must act upon objects.
>It cannot rise from the boundary of portal 2 AT ALL without force.
Why not?
There's air in the way. Can't move air without force.
The cube isn’t moving. The space the cube occupies was moved.
That still requires the displacement of air, which requires force.
Moving space will displace. Repeat it.
It is not moving, the air around it doesn’t move either.
If the air around it does not move, then it never actually enters the portal.
Correct, because the portal is not an object that exists. It is a 0 depth representation of a point in space that has become united. You don’t “enter the portal”, you moved the space “under” the object.
>It is a 0 depth representation of a point in space that has become united.
That's not what portals are. Portals are links between two points, not a uniting of two points into one. X leads to Z, skipping Y, not X becomes Z.
A fags even forgot what portals are
No it has already displaced the air.
It cannot have "already displaced the air". The air is there before the portal is moved around it, altering its spatial coordinates.
>The object is in location 1
>the the portals are opened and space is changed.
>Portal 1 moves over object.
>Object and the air around it is now in location 2
When does the air act upon it?
When the portal moves over it, duh.
Why?
Because for the first portal to move over it, and therefore for it to rise from the second portal, it must traverse the space matching its own volume past the second portal's limits.
>it must traverse the space matching its own volume past the second portal's limits.
Why would "traversing" the space impart force upon the object?
You have this entirely backwards.
>Why would "traversing" the space impart force upon the object?
Why would it not? That's what movement is.
>Movement
Force moves an object through space
>Portals
Magic moves space through space
And here's why it's not A:
That doesn't change a goddamn thing. The magic will keep moving the cube. It won't just stop, as that requires a second, entirely unnecessary and unjustified layer of magic.
The space the cube is occupied is moved to the location of the blue portal
The space the cube occupies is now on an incline, and gravity acts on the cube
There is no magic force from the piston acting here
>The space the cube is occupied is moved to the location of the blue portal
>moved
>>>>>>>>>>
There you have it. You admit it moved. And now it will keep moving.
You moved space through space. You didn’t move the cube
Moving space moves the cube.
No, you moved the space.
Which moves the cube. Moving the space moves the cube. Otherwise it never gets to the other space.
You cannot, CANNOT disjoin space and the cube. The cube is within the space.
The cube never moves
The only “other” space it gets to is the space immediately next to it, but that’s a result of gravity.
The cube has to move, or else it won't get through the air already in the way. We've been through this.
There is no air “in the way” the cube didn’t move
If the cube didn't move, then it didn't enter the portal. We've been through this too.
I remain correct, and you remain inconsistent.
The space moved around the cube. There is no portal
>There is no portal
So you've been talking about your own imagination this whole time, huh.
The portal isn’t an object. It’s a point in space
No, it's a connection between two points in space. Not a singular point.
It is a point, or rather a 2dimensional series of points. Otherwise there would be a gap when you move between them.
There is no gap, they are sequential to the planck length.
You were wrong then and you are wrong now.
Anon, the object has already displaced the air within it's locality. If it did not do that then the object is itself gaseous.
Nope. Not valid. Its locality is being changed.
>Its locality is being changed.
You dumb fucking moron, we agreed that portals change space within space. It's locality is the same.
Changing space changes its locality numbnuts.
How are you people this fucking stupid that you can’t understand moving space and moving an object within space arent the same thing?
How are you so stupid that you don't realize those ARE the same thing, and every time you try to explain otherwise you get served and shown how it is, again and again and again?
It is not the same thing.
You are incapable of wrapping your head around the concept of moving space itself.
I understand it flawlessly. You fail to explain the difference because there IS no difference.
How do you move space in real life
How much energy is required to move one unit of space
Make me a portal gun anon, explain to me where the energy comes from to create the water wheel in
It defies all laws of physics because it’s a fucking magic hula hoop
Why do you keep coming back to this? It doesn't have to happen in real life for it to be understood.
It can defy physics and still remain consistent within its thought experiment, you intellectual coward.
Kinetic and Potential energy, bro. If you don't understand the difference between those, you don't understand relativity.
The energy is identical in both situations. Newton's third law.
The total amount of energy is identical, no shit.
What's the difference between a stone that has all of its energy in potential vs a stone that has only 50% of its energy in potential? How fast is the second stone moving?
>Cube moves
>But actually it doesn't even through it fufills all the criteria of movement because actually ???????
Also holding the arrow still and spinning the wheel is the same as holding the wheel still and spinning the arrow, it's just a diffrence in refrence frame
If the question is “does the arrow move when I spin the wheel” the obvious answer is no because no force is acting on the arrow. The relative difference in speed doesn’t fucking matter you need an acting force.
>The relative difference in speed doesn’t fucking matter you need an acting force.
Source?
>Source?
E=mc^2
It's all about ENERGY
There is no velocity or force in this formula.
So source?
The cube doesn't move you retard the space it occupies changes, how is it so hard for people to reconcile illogical concepts like portals with their 8th grade understanding of physics?
If you put a portal at two opposite ends of the observable universe and stepped through it would you suddenly come flying out faster than the speed of light because DUHHHH LOCATION CHANGEY MAKE HEAD HURT HOW LOCATION CHANGE BUT NO MOVE FAST
>the space it occupies changes
This is what is known as "movement".
No, movement only occurs if the object itself moves. There is no law that dictates that an object cannot change it's position within space without moving.
>If i change the definition of movement, it's not moving
>No, movement only occurs if the object itself moves
Actually, movement is relative.
You don't understand the statement.
Cope.
Man without brain tells someone else they don't understand the problem.
I understand the statement. You don't understand that movement is relative. The portal thinks it is standing still and the cube (and the stand and the planet) is hurtling at it.
Average mathematician that can't tell the difference between his abstract numbers and how the real world behaves
>speedy cube
Relative to what? Certainly not the platform it's on, and remains on at all points.
>stationary cube comes out
But the cube comes out at the same speed as it goes in. If it didn't, it wouldn't come out.
Yes, that's why A doesn't make fucking sense
You are the one not making sense here.
If I throw a punch at you thought the portal at 100mph, anybody on the other side will get punched at 100mph (Speedy punch in, speedy punch out).
Now explain why my arm should detach of my shoulder and fly off. If we do the same but instead of me punching at 100mph the portal is going towards my extended arm at 100mph and stops right at my shoulder.
>If I throw a punch at you thought the portal at 100mph
kek that's exactly why you can't even get close to that speed
in any situation where your fist reaches that acceleration it would certainly come off your body
>retard misses the point entirely on purpose because he noticed he's wrong and doesn't have a comeback
lol
Change 100mph for 10mp, the point still stands.
The point doesn't stand, because if I somehow sucked your punch at 10mps, your fist would obviously just pull the rest of your body with you. Which is exactly what would happen if a portal went over your arm and stopped mid body. Only that 10mps is a velocity you might be able to control and pull back. The cube is not glued to the platform so it's retarded to make a comparison. Nonetheless, if someone's face was in front of the exit portal, he will be punched.
>The point doesn't stand
Except it clearly does and you are an philistine in denial.
If I punch you through a portal at 10mph. My punch goes in(speedy thing in) at 10mph and comes out (speedy thing goes it) at 10mph.
You are simply out of argument.
And what exactly is your argument?
If you stood still with an extended arm but the portal went across your fist, the person in front of the exit portal would still see the fist as a "speedy thing that is coming in from the other side". In that case, you would probably break your fist because your body wasn't prepared to receive the shock, but the other guy will definitely feel the punch and you would feel his face.
You simply don't understand relativity.
>And what exactly is your argument?
I don't get this. You are saying that the point doesn't stand but you also don't know my argument which is pivotal to understand if the point stands or not? Why should I keep replying to someone that is clearly """"arguing"""" in bad faith for no apparent reason? What do I get out of it? Is this really the average person defending the B option? No wonder all of you sound like LMAO WEED type retard I guess.
The true gigabrain take is that B is correct because the portal is moving the entirety of the universe relative to the stationary portal observer, therefore the entire universe is actually being moved by portals.
mario if he real
Mario if he real
mario if he real
These threads are always just idiots getting baited by trolls and people that never took even a basic physics course in high school.
INERTIA IS A PROPERTY OF MATTER YOU DUMB FUCKS
BILL NYE TAUGHT YOU THIS SHIT 30 YEARS AGO
>INERTIA IS A PROPERTY OF MATTER YOU DUMB FUCKS
Only relative to something
Nothing moves objectively only by itself in space full of nothing
A is correct because /a/ is a better board than /b/
A fags should adopt this argument because it's the best one I've read today.
It's unsurprising that B-fags find the nonsensical arguments to be the best.
My uncle works for Albert Einstein, and he told me that it's B.
Yes it's okay. But be wary of when the walls slam with each other and the cube will be shocked and pops out with some force, subject to some gravity of course
The scenario eould still apply for A.
If you are on a falling doorframe and about to land on a giant spike, it would still kill you, but it doesn’t mean the spike will be tossed in the air.
If the cube is moving relative to the portal/piston then it should maintain it's movement relative to the porta/piston.
Therefore when the portal/piston stops the cube also stops.
>Bfags will argue that the answer in this is B too
LMAO
>Atard doesn't know how fans work
color me surprised
well come on dumBass, how does B work here?
How do you think fans work, retArd?
I'm a Bfag and I understand why the "rotating machine" doesn't work like a fan, because it has nothing on it moving air around towards the portal.
the fan amd the air are moving in exactly the same way to the fan can't move the air.
Literally could be programmed to be either answer you fucking retard, all you've done is link to some retarded youtubers opinion, that's not a proof
This is why you B tards cant even read cursive. Fucking morons. There is no force applied to the cube from the pedestal. If the piston smashed the cube from above and the output portal was on a flat surface, it would remain on top of the pedestal without moving or flying out. the portal has no sides, no space, no force, no moment. It literally called ZERO POINT energy. All force comes from external direct action on the reference object. Smoothbrains.
Bschizo still can't explain this
I mean I'd probably be more worried about the fact that everything surrounding my cock including my internal organs are being pancaked by a giant stone platform attached to a piston.
How the fuck is it anything but A?
>speedy thing comes in, speedy thing comes out.
it should plop on the ground after coming out of the portal, because it remained stationary when it entered the portal, it wasn't a speedy thing, and therefore it had no momentum to carry into a supposed leap from the second portal.
Just think about it more. Imagine standing in front of the exit portal. Is the cube going to hurt you? Will it hurt more if the portal is coming down harder?
If it can hurt you, then the cube must have some kind force acting on it.
>then the cube must have some kind force acting on it.
this implies the platform the cube was on moved up at a high speed when the portal was coming down on it, which is clearly not the case, nothing is applying force to the portal, and a portal is more like a doorway than a chute, there's no air being sucked out of or in a portal.
Portals already change direction without touching the object, normally that requires a force too.
>But the direction doesn't change relative to the portal
Then it's B, cause the momentum doesn't change relative to the portal there either
I think I actually just figured something out about quantum gravity. Thanks Ganker.
What if the box was on a podium that the portal could pass over before being stopped further down by outcroppings? What happens to the cube on top when it stops?
B tards really think portals are a fucking Hot wheels flywheel booster
>ITT people who gaslit themselves into thinking they know physics
Okay, enough with the A & B fag arguing. What I want to know is if I had two portals over top of each other and put a long pole into the portals long enough for it to make contact and rest on its other end. Could I let it go and have the pole support itself? Or would it just be a continuous pole with no end falling through the portals?
You could probably do that in gmod or something
Okay, I drew it for a better visual understanding.
every part of the pole is being pulled down by gravity. it falls.
Neat, thanks for the response anon.
Consider the following
No force is imparted into the cube.
cube is launched twice as hard.
cube gets squished or the pistons crumble
The lengths Bfags go to cope thread after thread, year after year, its amazing. It was not enough to write up essays, make animations that are baseless, now you have a sperg programmer making an app that can be programmed perfectly to support your BS. You all know that the original Bfags were trolling right?
Some of us take this as an exercise to understand abstract physics. Trolling or not, if you want to learn, you learn. Keep seething. I enjoy this.
>seething
Buddy im laughing my ass off. The fact you think you are getting anything out of this is even more hilarious.
then we both happy 🙂
anyone who gets their laughs by pretending to be retarded will eventually and inevitably be invaded by actual retards who think they are in good company, this is why the B argument is still going.
Its staggering that this has not just been going on for years but it seems be getting worse, with more pseuds joining in.
for me its a perfect example for why democracy is flawed.
look at this B-anon for example
he's using a A argument to defend B.
See
>i modded the game to change how portals work so they work the way i want, that means im right!
It's how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant. You stupid donkey.
Yeah well part of it is still the fact that ~50% of the Bfags are just in it to keep it going knowing its wrong. Its the other half thats really scary.
Typo, meant to say Afags.
Oh fuck I responded too soon It was right the first time with Bfags I dont know why this keeps happening
typo, meant to say A argument.
No wait, I hade it right the first time. Disregard
subtle troll, I like it
Afags should just repeat "the cube comes out fast" as a dogma over and over, until their brain just makes the click. There is no point trying to change how someone's logic is wired in one second.
When did it magically appear? The cube always had momentum.
There is no portal. The cube remains at the same place despite space changing around it.
>put two portals into vacuum with no influence of gravity
A gays:
>box comes through at the speed the portal dropped on it
>box somehow loses the speed it had on entry and proceeds to drift off at an undefined, lower speed
a fags are clinically retarded
>portals inherently change the velocity vector, therefore making them accelerators
>force is mass * acceleration
>b-but there's no force acting upon the cube !!!
Do Afags really...?
You're misrepresenting the A argument. The movement of the cube is dependent on any force the cube itself had, and the area around it. Ultimately, a moving portal is NOT said force. The B argument believes that moving a portal is enough to make the cube move.
Of course, it could be those stinky B-fags are so desperate they're just pretending A believes the B argument so they can prove themselves wrong.
Are B fags are self-loathing privileged liberals?
So when you throw a cube through stationary portals facing different directions, what force causes the cube to change directions? Allah's divine will?
In the original example you clearly see that the box has some speed as it is emerging from the portal. If you believe in A, why would the box suddenly stop the moment it has fully cleared the portal rather than keep moving?
That's exactly why A is so funny. The actual logical conclusion of it is the cube doesn't enter the portal and prevents it from moving further (which is what actually happens in game engine btw) or gets crushed into a tiny sheet.
But they are so fucking retarded they don't even realize that.
>people citing a video game over real life
Holy shit Afags are actually retarded
Portals aren't real
You dumb fuck, you literally just cited the most common A argument.
How fucking contrarian are the B-fags getting? Is this seriously "Duck Season-Rabbit season" back and forth switching now?
>you literally just cited the most common A argument.
Yes, and Atards like (You) are too stupid to realize it's actually an argument for B.
See
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>Is this seriously "Duck Season-Rabbit season" back and forth switching now?
Always was
>the most common A argument completely supports B's position
i'm not even surprised, Afags are completely defined by their total lack of understanding of how anything works.
Yeah but A fags don't seem to realize that the guy and the door are moving away from each other pretty fast all of a sudden.
The door's doing all the moving, sure, but now make half the door move and half the door not move.. Oops, Afags can't comprehend that.
Not being able to tell the difference between
>the entrance and exit portals both moving in the same direction back-to-back
>the entrance portal moving only, and the exit portal being still
is an Afag problem
Do Afags really not understand that one portal is half of a "door"
That's an explanation that Afags give, Anon.
So A fags think the door frame will carry the person along with them once they cross the threshold.
>So A fags think the door frame will carry the person along with them once they cross the threshold.
What? No. A fags think that the cube doesn't fly off because portals behave like a door does except the entrance and exist separated in space.
>portals behave like a door
In other words, speedy thing goes into one side means speedy thing goes out the other side, right?
I know brainlets have an easier time with visual representation so use this is a reference of how a door works (lol)
No, team A cites doors, hula hoops, hole in the wall, and the momentum puzzles
team B cites some weird train gif and a gross misrepresentation of the moon scene
>hula hoops
See
>weird train gif
This one?
Are you Atards too stupid to understand Galilean relativity?
Are you too stupid to realize that has NOTHING to do with the argument
The portal is magic you stupid fucktard
Can any Afag explain to me how the cube is coming out fast but it turns out it wasn't coming out fast?
don't try to talk about momentum, mass, inertia, or even relativity. You retards just don't understand what those concepts represent. Let's talk simple baby logic.
Why fast thing isn't fast suddenly
>the cube is coming out fast
HOLY SHIT LOOK HOW FAST THAT BALL IS GOING INTO THE BOX!!!
You dumb fucking retard
A fags cope by saying the portals are magic hence the cube is just """occupying the space""" without any motion whatsoever
yes, it's retarded as it sounds
>the portals are magic
THE PORTALS ARE MAGIC YOU moron!
>Why fast thing isn't fast suddenly
It never was fast. It was stationary. Only one portal was fast
But I see the cube coming at me really fast, it don't look stationary at all, see
>take toilet paper roll
>take dice
>drop roll on dice
>dice does not go flying out
hm I could've worn that would work. maybe I should try a hula hoop instead.
Can someone please define the formula of momentum for the Afags that don't know?
>there are people who genuinely believe it's B
>B fags can vote just like A chads
>B fags can reproduce just like A chads
>B fags can have jobs just like A chads
I want OFF OF THIS PLANET
>A chads
No such thing.
>chAd can't be spelled without A
>chAd has no B in it
OH NO NO B FAGS DON'T LOOK
>first letter of the ALPHAbet
>Beta starts with B
>Alpha starts with A
>"These people are stupid."
>"At what speed is the cube exiting the portal?"
>"That's easy, it's 0. Any other questions?"
Imagine there is a piece of cardboard over the exit portal. What happens to it?
Not a single A fag will give a coherent answer to this.
All Afags should literally be killed for dragging down humanity's collective intelligence
Notice how often A fags say "I have no idea why B fags would even believe that, it makes no sense" while you never see a B fag saying they don't understand why A fags exist, just that their logic is wrong.
Well yeah, even smart people will have a knee-jerk reaction and think A makes sense for a moment.
It takes a bit of searching to actually get to the point of
>wait, why does it STOP?
That was me. I drew
as an argument for A then realised how retarded I was about to make myself look when I actually looked at it
because b-fags use pseudo science (that never makes sense) to try and justify B
speedy thing goes in = speedy thing comes out
still thing goes in = still thing comes out
it really doesnt get any more complex than this, the only way B works is if you add arbitrary rules that dont exist.
>References high school level kinematics with stuff like "velocity" and "reference points"
>Pseudo science
what
>I don't get it so it must be bullshit
Standard A fare, really
>still thing comes out
dude
>drop hula hoop on self
>since still things cant come out of something i launch into the sky
A hula hoop does not instantly move you between two points in space.
but you are coming out of the top side of the hula hoop, and a still thing cant come out of something. so you get launched.
this is B logic, anon.
I think you should study a little harder before you try for your GED again.
i think you should have a nice day, but we both know that your low IQ makes you unable to understand how.
Damn you Afags are so angry all the time lmfao stay in school
>this is B logic
False. See
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See
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>hoola hoop
See
>i modded the game! that means im right!
>IM RIGHT IM RIGHT IM RIGHT STOP LAUGHING AT ME! REEEEEEEEEEE.
See
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The box is literally not still if it's moving. The whole crux of the Afag argument isn't that the box never moves, it's that because it's not moving while you observe the first side, when it comes out of the portal it's moving until it magically comes to a stop.
>when it comes out of the portal it's moving until it magically comes to a stop.
Ironically, this is where A fags actually use pseudo science, make up terms like "emerging", and talk about how the object isn't moving it's being "displaced" or something.
What moves the object?
The portal on the moving piston does. Why would the box suddenly come to a stop after clearing the portal when it's clearly moving as it emerges?
>The portal on the moving piston does.
How is the portal imparting force on the object.
>It's clearly moving.
Define moving.
>Define moving.
Are you serious? You literally have to lawyer the definition of movement to support your side? If you stand directly in front of the exit portal as the box emerges, is it and the piston just going to completely stop when it comes into contact with you because it's "not moving" or is it going to knock your ass backwards and injure you?
Why are you caught up on "what" moves the object?
Portals fundamentally break newtons laws of motion. Imagine two portals, one above, then pour a bunch of water in it. Use that to spin a water wheel, and since gravity will be continuously accelerating it, you have literal infinite and perpetual energy. With two portals in that arrangement, you literally have infinite potential energy, since you can fall forever.
>Portals fundamentally break newtons laws of motion. Imagine two portals, one above, then pour a bunch of water in it. Use that to spin a water wheel, and since gravity will be continuously accelerating it, you have literal infinite and perpetual energy. With two portals in that arrangement, you literally have infinite potential energy, since you can fall forever.
Anon, that's just how gravity works. Lmao.
Please take a physics class
The actual question is "how is energy being created" in this closed system. I hope you realize you can't have infinite potential energy in real life. Where that energy comes from is the same place that the force acting on the cube comes from.
You are not creating energy you are using the force of gravity to generate electricity.
>speedy thing goes in = speedy thing comes out
Exactly, so B is correct.
when is the cube speedy?
>so B is correct
if I extend my arm thought a portal, it's not coming out at the same speed as it went in?
Has Ganker solved this yet?
they don't care because the physics from both games are inconsistent
>you can just magically create portals and disobey the laws of phys-ACK!
If portal hit the cube at 100m/s I want A chuds to numerically define the velocity of the cube as it emerges from the portal and slows down under the influence of gravity and air pressure
>inb4 0
protip: you wont do it and you'll dilate and cope
Anon, run a hula hoop over your arm. The hoop is the portal. The hoop can be moving as fast as it likes, your arm doesn't move.
>muh hula hoops
>muh semantics
as evident by the fact, A fags are retarded reddit chuds HRT'd into retardation because their brains obviously never went through puberty
>chud accusations
And here we have the final destination of Bfag cope. You officially have lost.
>doesnt even deny he's a chud
I accept your concession
Your the chud, chud. Cope more Bfag.
I accepted your concession, seething chud
dilate yourself back to chudera, it's the only place dumb enough on the internet to think it's A
>Your the chud
>hula hoop
See
>If portal hit the cube
Portals can't touch anything anon.
You have to have an IQ under 100 to be a Bfag
You have to have an IQ under 10 to be a Afag
>mfw an Afag stands directly in front of the portal and gets gibbed by a box moving at 0 speed
PORTALS AREN'T STABLE ON FAST MOVING SURFACES
A AND B ARE NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE PORTAL WOULD DISINTEGRATE
there is a puzzle that requires moving portals ingame.
SLOW moving portals
Oh great, the biggest moron of all shows up again: the filthy centrist. Even A and B fags can agree you guys are REALLY dumb.
I pity the mental condition of A-fags.
It's all very sad.
Suppose the piston is moving at 20 m/s. Then the cube must be emerging from the portal at 20 m/s, something that is even shown in this misguided animation. Why would the cube suddenly lose that velocity and momentum when it finishes passing through the portal?
Why would the piston suddenly lose it's velocity and momentum?
Impact with the surface that the cube was previously in contact with. However, there is no such impact that would cause the part of the cube that is already emerging from the portal at 20 m/s to suddenly lose its momentum.
The cube has the same relative movement to the piston as the platform it's on does.Maintaining this would mean that the cube stops when the piston does. The cube is still on the platform at all times.
There's nothing stopping the emerging side of the cube, no force acts on it to slow it down except gravity and air friction, neither of which are dominant in this scenario.
>no force acts on it to slow it down
No force acts to speed it up either. It's still touching the platform.
It's touching the platform until the platform stops and the cube continues on. It's the same as if I'd thrown the cube--just because my hand stops moving as I release the cube doesn't mean the cube would stop.
So the platform is imparting force onto the cube? The platform has no movement relative to the piston or cube anymore though.
By the time the platform stops moving, it has imparted all of the force necessary to give the cube momentum, which we can plainly see in the momentum it has as it emerges from the portal. Think about one particular instant, as it's emerging 50% of the cube's mass is traveling at 20 m/s diagonally. Then eventually 99% of it is traveling at 20 m/s diagonally. Why then would that 99% stop just because the last 1% has finished moving through the portal?
>it has imparted all of the force necessary to give the cube momentum
But it never had any momentum relative to the platform. It needs to gain that momentum somewhere and something without mass won't do.
It has momentum relative to the object it's emerging from. Imagine there's an ant sitting on the other side, watching the cube go through. Relative to that ant, the cube is traveling 20 m/s diagonally and clearly has momentum. There's nothing acting against that momentum when the last 1% passes through.
A portal is not an object, it has no third dimension and no mass.
I'm not saying the portal is an object, I'm referring to the object that the portal is on the surface of--that diagonal-facing platform. Relative to that platform, the cube is travelling 20 m/s diagonally.
And so is the platform, but then they stop moving relative to each other. Therefore the cube on the platform also stops.
>but it's through the portal!
It's also still on the platform.
So which one is it.
Stickman suffers or stickman lands safely?
B. Don't stand in front of moving portals, it's not going to end well.
>B fags terrified to put on shirt too hard or head will fly off.
>Atards literally don't understand holes
See
>be bfag
>wake up
>carefully put shoes on. toes are a little hurt but whatever. its normal.
>slowly put your clothes on, get launched a little bit when you do but its fine as long as you dont go through a door
>slowly move through doors, fall over and trip whenever you do due to the sudden force
>brush your teeth, put the brush in a little too fast and it jabs the back of your throat, ouch!
>eating breakfast, whenever you swallow a bite the food is launched down into your stomach, slight ache due to this
>oh shit running late for work
>slowly go out of your front door and into the car, speeding off.
>dont realize that a branch has fallen onto the traffic light, technically turning it into a portal.
>as you are speeding past your car suddenly speeds up a few thousand times, blowing past several other cars and turning the people inside into mist
>sharp turn ahead
>ram into a concrete wall, killing you instantly.
>whats left of your body is cremated
>as its poured into a jar the dust flies down with excessive force and breaks the jar.
>Atards too stupid to understand basic logic
See
see
See
if you stop at 1:23 you can clearly see that the cube is getting stuck on the side so the force of the moving platform is transfered into the cube which results in it being flung.
B-fags are just dumb and ignorant of the details that make up the universe.
>B makes sense if portals existed
>portals don't exist because they don't make sense
>A's logic makes sense in the argument that it can't be B, but wrong since they also take a position that requires portals existing, which by definition makes A's logic faulty
In the abstract:
B is right under certain conditions.
A is wrong under any conditions
>be me
>A chad
>professor brings out the portal gun and piston for a demonstration
>I stand in front of the portal and bravely proclaim that I will not be hurt because the box is moving at zero speed
>complete my degree online from purgatory because they have hella fast internet
?t=77
What I don't get is why the hulahoop/door argument is so frowned upon.
If you walk towards the orange portal, you are equally walking towards the blue portal. That makes the comparison between the two completely fair.
Because it instantly destroys the B “argument” while being extremely simple to understand
Bullshit
See
See
Don't care about your memecoded fake videogame when the real one has been posted already.
It shows how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant.
>STOP LAUGHING AT ME!
>I MODDED THE GAME AND CHANGED PORTAL LOGIC! THAT MEANS IM RIGHT.
It shows how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant.
>Your post is irrelevant.
So is your memecoded game and this fact makes you mad.
I provided factual proof with the actual game that your memegame is garbage.
I'm superior to you.
It shows how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant.
Real game > your memegame to cope about your lack of intelligence
I completely demolished you 🙂
It shows how portals behave under B.
Your post is irrelevant.
>It shows how portals behave
No it doesn't because it's some fake game that soem fag came up with to cope about his low IQ.
I defeated you completely.
The "entry" and "exit" to doorway / hoop are both moving.
Because with a doorway you're not magically jumping between two points in space via a wormhole.
>If you walk towards the orange portal, you are equally walking towards the blue portal.
No you aren't. Blue portal's not moving at all.
>No you aren't
Yes you very clearly are.
>Orange portal is in 1 feet in fron of me.
>Blue portal is soemwhere else, doesn't matter where
>I walk one feet towards the orange portal, going through it
>Now I'm next to the blue portal
I am, by definition, getting closer to the blue portal every time I get closer to the orange portal.
You get closer only to "the blue portal within the orange portal", an entirely different notion.
>"the blue portal within the orange portal"
They are the same portal. What kind of nonsense are you talking about here? They are a single entity.
Is this why A fags are dabbing on B fags so hard? Because a simple concept like this gets twisted to nonsensical levels?
>They are the same portal.
Then how can one be blue and the other orange?
Diversity quota
>Objects cannot have more then one colour.
Bfags everyone!
>Atards can't read
You are unable to comprehend that portals break symmetry.
It is a single entity, and it is both moving and not moving. The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not. (Or is, if it's behind the orange portal i.e. the way you are moving, but that's irrelevant.)
>The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not.
That makes A the only possible solution then.
>Moving both sides is not the same as moving just one.
Yes it is, because both are connected. If any object gets close to one portal, gets equally as close to the other.
No, it makes B the only possible solution.
>That makes A the only possible solution then.
Nope. That makes B the only reasonable solution.
There's another valid solution (C: the cube is crushed into a 2D object, unable to move the air behind the portal without force) but nobody supports that one. A doesn't make any sense at all, it goes through and then it stops? So janky.
>The blue portal within the orange portal is moving towards you. The blue portal not within the orange portal is not.
Wait I read that wrong.
This statement doesn't make sense. Because both portals are one and the same. There isn't "one portal within one portal" both the 'entry' and 'exit' are the same. What you are saying is like saying that there are infinite portals because there's one within one withing another withing another.
To me it sounds like you are clueless and moving the goalposts.
Again you fail to understand how symmetry is broken. It's one and the same, yes. And it is both moving and not moving.
>It's one and the same, yes. And it is both moving and not moving.
This doesn't mean anything to what I'm saying and doesn't argument anything at all.
If a cube gets closer to the orange portal, it gets closer to the blue portal.
This fact, makes A the only real possibility because it turns the portals for all intents and purposes into a hulahoop (as in, both entry and exit move equally thus cancelling each other).
The entrance and exit are not the same. Moving both sides is not the same as moving just one.
>Afags literally and unironically don't understand their own metaphors
Can't make this shit up fucking lmao
>metaphor
I'm not sure you understand what a metaphor is. I clearly explained what I'm referring in very straightforwards terms.
Take a piece of paper and lay it down flat then place a pencil on it. Then take the same piece of paper, fold it in half, and stick the pencil through it.
Alright, who's ready for the next thread?
MOVEING THOUGH SPACE DOES NOT IMPART FORCE YOU RETARDS! YOU FUCKING BAFFONS!
Moving through space is the ONLY way to impart force, thou fool.
In 100 years we'll have real portal technology and this argument will be put to rest.
And then the opposite side will be genocided as is the morally correct thing to do.
Under Bfag logic space is finite.
Thing enters portal with speed, thing exits portal with speed.
Bchads win again.
The one thing I learned with this thought experiment is that Newton was wrong and Einstein was right.
speedy in, speedy out
Atards coping and seething
Okay so the reason why the A argument exists is that people assume that the portals are behaving as though they are the same object or at least physically attached to one another. That is why A arguers bring up a singular door or a singular hula hoop; both portals are being viewed as two different sides of the same object or structure, not two different objects or structures. B assumes that they are not the same object or directly attached to one another. So you would to answer if the portals are somehow attached to each other before you can answer this question.
>over 600 posts
This is the third thread in a few hours as well. Bfags just don't know how to accept defeat.
>fAgs just don't know how to accept defeat.
FTFY
Cope, Butthurt Bfag
>t. AssmAd fAg
So... Achads won?
fAgs lost
Ah, another day of btfo'ing retArds
>Didn't capitalize Btfo'ing
You had one job.
Blue portal on floor, orange on the ceiling. Blue portal moves underneath me, I have 0 velocity. What will happen?
looks like we win again, Bros
>A fags confused how a portal can give an object "speed"
>Raise no stinks about how a portal can change an objects direction
I don't even want to call Afags dumb -- this genuinely just shows a lack of a education.
Not even education, but critical thinking
portals aren't objects
they're spatial deformations
the portal doesn't "move"
space unfolds itself
there's no momentum because nothing is actually moving
the spatial coordinates of the cube simply mean something else
Bfags cannot comprehend this simple shit.
fAgs can't comprehend simple logic
>the spatial coordinates of the cube simply mean something else
Yeah and that's called MOVEMENT.
Changing coordinates. Is movement.
It's not movement, it's special movement.
You moved the sheet of graph paper underneath an object sitting on top of it without moving the object. The coordinates changed, but it’s the paper that moved not the object.
And as you keep being told, there's no difference between these situations. They are the same situation. It doesn't matter if it's the paper or the object that results in the alteration to coordinates. Both are movement.
Yes it does matter you retard, because we are discussing the force acting on the object on top of the graph paper. If I move the object a force acted on it, if I move the paper no force acted on it. Yet the coordinates change in both instances.
It doesn't MATTER that no force acts upon it! It still changed coordinates, it still moved!
someone make that patrick wallet meme where the villain tries to explain to patrick how changing space without movement is impossible, but retarded Afag patrick says the cube isnt moving
>changing space without movement is impossible
The portal clearly changes space 🙂
>but that's impossible!
Now you're thinking with portals!
A CHADS WON.
Third B thread today.
Hoops always scoops.
Wait, but how do you know that it isn't the left? Like I know that the left makes A right and right makes B right, but how do you which one is in the game?
Neither are in the game. Portal's physics can't tolerate a stationary object transiting a portal. The portal may as well not exist.
Then what fuck are you guys arguing about?
If you haven't yet realized this is trolls trolling trolls, then I don't know what to tell you. We're all just having fun here.
Let me rephrase that, I know that portals can't move in the game. But you made it sound like the entire hypothetical doesn't make sense. I shouldn't have said "Which one is in the game?", that probably misled you.
Left is also acceptable by B. Moving the entrance and the exit in the exact same way results in nothing shooting out.
They literally work by the same rules
How does left support B? The whole point of the picture is that it is saying that A views the portals as a singular hula hoop, but b views them as seperate objects.
But that's wrong, both of those hoop examples support B.
What force stops the object that is emerging from the portal?
What force keeps it going when the piston stops?
No force is necessary to "keep it going," that's basic conservation of momentum. Its existing momentum relative to the diagonal platform continues until something stops it.
>Its existing momentum relative to the diagonal platform
So, none because it's sitting still on the platform?
Retards cannot understand that “space moving through space” is impossible and wouldn’t have a velocity because it’s self contradictory
You're definitely trolling.
If something emerges from the top of the hula hoop at a rate of 20 m/s, it wouldn't suddenly stop traveling at that speed without some impeding force.
Is it on the platform or not?
Hint: the Answer is "yes"
What force keeps a ball you throw moving after it leaves your hand?
so easy to Btfo fAgs, Bros
chAds with the hAtrick todAy
>Takes a sheet of paper.
>Folds it over
>Sticks a pencil though it.
Heh, better luck next time Bfags.
>i-if i post another gif we'll all surely start flying through the air when hulahoops drop on us
give it up, bfags.
you lost.
>muh hoop
see
fAgs lost
Okay, I've finally accepted reality. After months of these threads, I've given up.
In the next thread on, I am going to be an A fag and just consistently ignore everything anyone says at me, and just repeat "hoops" and "what force causes it to move".
You will not be able to stop me.
Good because they are literally magic fucking hula hoops
>hoop
see
>muh mod
It’s a magic hula hoop
behaves just like one under B
B won
A won AgAin
B wins again
B! B! B! B!
This thread is a perfect example of why argumentation is retarded and violence is the only solution to disagreements.
B won.
And the results are in...
It appears that A stands for Anal Cancer, while B stands for Big Boobies.
Yes, the awards will be distributed over the following week. Check your mailbox for your cancer diagnosis or pornography as appropriate.
hulA chAds win yet AgAin, see you All next threAd
A won.
>b-but
A won.
>Didn't capitilze B-But
One job.
According to B at the halfway point half of the cube is moving relative to itself which is just silly.
B won!
It's actually C
Bros won