>most of the new mons are found in Kanto!!!
>the pokemon distribution SUCKS!!!
Last I checked, every single new pokemon is found in johto except Houndour, Slugma, Sneasel and Larvitar, the LATTER TWO ACTUALLY ARE IN JOHTO but just super late game after finishing Kanto. Skarmory, Gligar, swinub, Delibird, Phanphy and Teddiuursa are late game pokemon with the latter two being available super fucking early in crystal. Sneasel gets added to Ice path in Crystal as well as a lategame johto option.
Every single new evolution is available before Kanto as well with the exception of Scizor and Steelix which id available as you start kanto so you still have half the game with them.
So why exactly do people argue this aspect of this game in bad faith?
I get that there are probably people that like Larvitar, Houndour and Slugma, but is this really a sound reason to pretend you don’t get access to most of the new mons throughout the first half of the game because you’re a pseudolegendary gay who wants to use a Tyranitar?
Don't bother trying to get Johto or Kalos haters to be objective, OP.
>the two coolest, best gen 2 pokemon are in Kanto
>But it's okay! You have this bunch of shitmons N O O N E likes in Johto!
>Scizor
>Heracross
>Skarmory
>Ursaring
>Fucking Legendaries
>shitmons
>Scizor Is a shitmon
And an ugly Pokemon too
>Let's turn a cool Dino-mantis with blades into a crab with lame claws
How boring
Scizor is also a tryhard randomly bidpedal mon designed to be pandering-cool rather than effortlessly cool
talk about fursuits
>randomly bipedal
SCYTHER IS BIPEDAL YOU FUCKING RETARD
because Scyther was a raptor
Scizor is nothing but a man in a bug armor, not unlike Armorouge
A... raptor?
yes, a raptor, a bipedal dinosaur whose stubby arms croon out in the exact same arc shape that scyther's blades do
>Scizor is also a tryhard randomly bidpedal mon designed to be pandering-cool rather than effortlessly cool
This post is also a tryhard randomly retarded post designed to be contrarian-cool rather than effortlessly cool
>I NEED TO USE THE EDGY DOGGERINO AND EPIC PSEUDO ON MY TEAM I PLANNED OUT BEFORE EVEN STARTED PLAYING THE GAME!!!
grow up
it do be exactly like this
when I played HGSS, the number one mon I wanted on my team was Houndoom, which I did in fact use in my Platinum team
There's a serious dearth of coolmons in Johto, which is what those quotes about Johto's design philosophy from the game developers blatantly admits to.
It probably doesn’t help either that a lot of johtomons are absolutely shit in terms of stats.
not only do too many Johto mons look lame, not only are they hard to acquire, but they're also abominably weak and underpowered
So people wouldn't have a single reason to like many of them
>but they're also abominably weak and underpowered
thats hoenn
I could only name a handful
>s are absolutely shit in terms of stat
>abominably weak and underpowered
That's just plain wrong, only shit like Unown,Yamna, and Delibird the can be called abnormally weak, even go to strawman for shitmons like Ledian had some value due to the punches.
Only after years of Gen 2 being skipped over and banned from getting nice things while KANTOOOOOOOmons get everything Johtomons seem weak.
35 base spa
Whoever thought we'd see the day where johtoddlers would try to convince people a good chunk of the dex aren't actually that shitty
>35 base spa
55 SPA with Stat EXP with Bolt/Beam coverage, and screen utility, and this was back when most bug types were complete garbage, And Ledian is an early game
>aipom,
fair, that's garbage
>Stantler
underrated and solid for in game
>smeargle
its value in PvP unironically makes up for it
I mean, things like aipom, Stantler, and smeargle aren’t helping your case. A lot of Gen 2 mons were single stage shitmons that had to wait years to get an evo to make them playable, like dunsparce.
>here's a serious dearth of coolmons in Johto,
Its not even that. The real problem is sabotage, Higher ups at Game hated the Gen 2 roster and didn't want them become as popular as their precious Gen 1. So they went out of their way to make sure Gen 2 Pokemon got a chance to shine
>Gen 2 Pokemon that are mechanically fine for ingame use are hidden behind 10-20 Gen1 Pokemon pretty much railroading players to use those instead
>Rarely get so see anyone in game use Gen2 Pokemon tricking people into thinking they are weaker than they actually are ("lol Gen 2 pogeymons are too weak to bee used even though Bugsy uses goddamn coccoons")
>The two new types Steel and Dark are rarely seen despite most pokemon of those types being fan favorites
>But the biggest problem they waste SEVEN dex slots on baby pokemon, that only exist so people can point and laugh at how worthless and weak Johto is and how KANTOOOO is stronger
>reminder that Gen 2 only had 100 dexslots for new mons, that Dex space could have gone to a swarm evolution for Unown, some evolutions for the few actual unusable shitmons like Yanma and Aipom, or even more ghost and dragon types since those types have gym leaders, but no instead they made Johto into Kanto's nursery becuase fuck Johto.
>Oh and the starters didn't get megas even though cool super saiyan forms would have been the perfect way to fix Pokémon who Game Freaks themselves apparently considers "babyish" or "kiddy" or whatever that quote was.
>The real problem is sabotage, Higher ups at Game hated the Gen 2 roster and didn't want them become as popular as their precious Gen 1
you can only say this of certain betamons whose designs were downgraded for release, like Octillery line and Girafarig
I guess Murkrow and Misdreavus don't exist
Technically Larvitar is also in Johto since Mt. Silver is part of Johto
The real funny thing about this is that Houndour and Larvitar are both found halfway through the game anyway. You can get them as soon as you land in Kanto, so you still have an entire half of the game left to use them. The ultimate proof that muh distribution fags are retards.
Kanto is more like the last quarter of the game at best. There's no real story to Kanto, or any real obstacles like in Johto, so it's just travelling around the condensed Kanto routes and battling gym leaders, which is pretty quick.
>I rushed round Kanto, so that means everyone else did as well
No
What is there to not rush? Kanto is just a massive gauntlet of piss easy trainer battles with nothing else to do.
>so you still have an entire half of the game left to use them.
Kanto is nowhere close to half the game in GSC.
Except it is though
it seems like a bigger deal than it actually is because of the specific choices GF went with. Dark and steel types were new in this game, but half the steel types are postgame and all dark types but umbreon. It doesn't help that there aren't any new fire types until postgame unless you went with cyndaquil or feel like tracking down entei. Houndour would have been the perfect ingame johto mon since it evolves early at 25 and has a fun typing.
It doesn't ruin the games for me, and I think it's really cool to put larvitar in the last dungeon as a reward for clearing the game (you weren't going to get a level 55 Ttar before the e4 anyways) but they could've just locked something like aipom in kanto instead of houndour or murkrow or misdreavus.
>postgame this postgame that
I wouldn’t call Kanto “postgame” for starters given that it is a significant portion of the game even more do than other games “postgames” since its an entire region full of gym badges and new pokemon to earn, in other words, the first time you enter the hall of fame is not a good stopping point for any player who at least wants to finish the main story portion game.
Second of all, you get access to steelix and skarmory the moment you enter Kanto so this isn’t exactly a reasonable complaint.
The only valid complaints are houndour, slugma and larvitar. The latter is a pseudolegendary and its the exact same case for all other pseudolegendaries that they tend to be readily available in the endgame.
Misdrevous and Murkrow don’t even have their evolutions in this game so they are basically novelty mons at this point.
This entire fallacy of an argument stems from literally just larvitar
>Misdrevous and Murkrow don’t even have their evolutions in this game so they are basically novelty mons at this point.
Actually both would have been solid options had they been earlier, Misdreavus would have been a defensive leaning Haunter without a Psychic weakness and Murkow actually has better offense than Pidgeot. and both would have provided players more options for Ghost and Dark types
>significant portion of the game
pre e4 probably takes 20 hours, kanto is like 2-4. you can make it longer if you take your time to raise up new mons, but it's pretty quick to clear out the 8 gyms since you start with a full team of high level mons from johto, presumably
>The only valid complaints are houndour, slugma and larvitar. The latter is a pseudolegendary and its the exact same case for all other pseudolegendaries that they tend to be readily available in the endgame.
>Misdrevous and Murkrow don’t even have their evolutions in this game so they are basically novelty mons at this point.
Murkrow's offensive profile of 85/85/91 would have let it be perfectly potent in GSC if it was actually in Johto. Misdreavus would have been held back purely by its bad movepool until it can get Psychic in Kanto, but ghost typing would still have worked for it and it would be able to do some stuff. Perish Trap is a thing, but only fairly late.
>This entire fallacy of an argument stems from literally just larvitar
No. Locking every dark-type except Umbreon to Kanto was a bonehead decision.
>I wouldn’t call Kanto “postgame” for starters
stopped reading there. labeling Kanto as either postgame or the back half of the campaign whenever it’s convenient is the biggest shell game played by defenders of any generation. at least the “ultra beasts aren’t legendaries” fags are consistent.
>vp is one person
GSC is to differ from other games to compare easily, becyase existed before the "rules" where set.
If Kanto is "post game" why are there gyms? if its not postgame when why is it after the Elite4? Detractors are just as guiltily
When they want to say GSC is bad because has the main campaign, they just say that KANTO doesn't count because its "postgame"
When they want to say GSC is bad "has no postgame", KANTO is suddenly part of the main campaign
The issue of Ultra Beasts being legendary or no is far easier to justify concretely.
>The issue of Ultra Beasts being legendary or no is far easier to justify concretely.
NTA, but that's only if you assume the pokemon fanbase cares about official sources which isn't the case.
And even if you do, the GSC discussion also becomes easier.
Johto detractors have been pretty consistent about Kanto being postgame. it’s what most of their criticisms center around. the main campaign is braindead easy, johto is empty, and mons are locked to after the league.
Johto defenders attempt to discard all this by claiming “ackshually kanto is part of the main story!” except that makes GSC bad for different reasons, so they flip-flop between the two depending on the criticisms they need to dismiss.
>e main campaign is braindead easy,
so pretty much every Pokemon game,
>johto is empty,
johto isn't "empty" at least not any more empty any any other reason, and a fucking metropolis compare to the barren nu-regions like Galar that Johto detractors tend to worship. Kanto is empty, but again that's postgame/post-game equivalent
>mons are locked to after the league.
only like 6-8, though you can argue that none should be locked after the league, Even though DP is far worse in this regard, since the discussion is about Johto this complaint is fair.
>Kanto is empty, but again that's postgame/post-game equivalent
and there’s the swap. we started with
>I wouldn’t call Kanto “postgame” for starters
and now it’s suddenly postgame again.
>inb4 “I’m not the same guy”
I don’t care and it doesn’t disprove my point
Kanto has officially been said to be post-game.
>https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Game-Boy-Color/Pokemon-Crystal-Version-266065.html
>Every single new evolution is available before Kanto as well with the exception of Scizor and Steelix
Zoom zoom
Misdreavus’ Perish trap is overpowered in Gen 2
you can get the metal coat from wild Magnemite long before Kanto
the 2 evos locked to Kanto are Blissey (because Chansey is Kanto), and Porygon 2 (because you need the Upgrade).
Where did the Johto pokemon came from and why couldn't we see them in Kanto back in RGBY?
The regions had their own Iron Curtain situation
What's with the wave of hate for G/S/C that's been happening for like the past two years?
The current wave is just a discord raid, all Pre-3D games are getting shit on.
Not Kanto, surprisingly. Only Charizard gets it.
What part of "newly discovered Pokemon" do the anti-Johto shills not understand
I understand that it’s bad game design
You don't even know what those words mean
HGSS has only 5 johto Pokemon exclusive to postgame, which is fewer than RSE, DP, BW, BW2, SM, and SV
It's only four, actually. Sneasel, Houndour, Houndoom, and Suicune.