My umineking experience

>be me.
>playing umineko because I was told it was a story about crime, horror, and bloodbath.
First Chapter:
>long-ass Mexican drama about inheritance.
>weird and mysterious deaths.
>HOLY MOLLY! This VN is terrifying! I am frightened and disoriented right now.
>fucking best ending ever with all that spooky shit.
>I want to scooby doo all that crap.
Second Chapter:
>10 fucking hours of fucking Netflix romance drama between aristocracy and servants.
>shonen battles with magic shields, magic blades, and shit.
>what the fuck is going on?
>maybe the only perspective which I must believe is Battler's.
>Battler sees the witch and then is pegged so hard in front of a court of monsters and devils.
>eaten alive.
>well shit, now I'm prepared to go back to do the whole time loop again.
>then, another fucking blonde witch appears, she is called the witch of certainty or whatever...
>why are there so many weirdos in this VN? Where are they coming from?
Third Chapter:
>Satan, Lucifer, Asmodeus, and Beelzebub... are cute anime girls
>another servant and more weirdos are introduced.
>at least, the game is giving me more background about the bitch-ass sloppy-doer innocent witch, without any magic shit.
>then the magic shonen battles happened again
>A battle between two witches
>The Golden witch cast a spell which rises the world trade center from earth.
>Harry Potter wands
>NO THAT'S IT, I'M GONNA DROP OUT OF THIS WEEB SHIT
NOTHING HAS SENSE.

/v/ros, at this rate I'm not gonna make it, some advice?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's perception tricks.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vote now
    https://strawpoll.com/polls/mpnboGWVEg5

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no Amhara
      Into the trash it goes

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only perspective which I must believe is Battler's.
    Correct, here's something to make it easier to understand Umineko. Whenever Battler is onscreen on the island (not with Beatrice), that's the truth. Everything else is an illusion. The demon sisters, the witches, the magical fights, all illusions.
    Battler's point of view becomes an illusion at the end of the second day when the clock hits, just like at the end of episode 2.
    You should pay attention to what characters that are not present when Battler is there, and what characters you don't see together when Battler is there. That should help you figure out some of the murders, especially in episode 2.
    And lastly, you can actually solve the mysteries and figure out who is the culprit and the accomplices.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      forgot to say you can who is the culprit after finishing episode 4, you don't go the other half since episode 1-4 lays out all the clues you need to solve the mysteries of Rokkenjima

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This means I don't need to read all the bullshit about wizard fights! That helps me a lot, thanks bro

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You shouldn't be skipping anything, all of it is important to the reader.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You shouldn't skip the fights. Sure, they're an illusion, but that doesn't mean they don't give out clues about what happened. This especially matters in episode 4.
          If you figure out who are magical characters represent, it should help solve the mystery easier. Just like Virgilia represents Kumasawa, Ronove represents another character on the island.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's just for fun, why would you skip it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't say you should skip the magic fights completely but you can definitely skim them.
          the most egregious one is in chapter 8 because its fucking like 2 hours long and I hate it.
          Also anyone who said the story was primarily about murder mystery scammed you, only chapter 1 is. The rest is metafiction, romance and philosophical wank. So if those things don't appeal to you drop it now or at the end of ep 4 because that's when the metafiction goes into high gear.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Umineko is not for people like you, you absolute fucking goat. Have some heart.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You shouldn't be thinking about Umineko as a puzzle. It's a story, just like any other. The character drama is the point of it, and if you don't like it then you're never going to like Umineko (and that's fine), especially because the entire second half kind of stops being a mystery.
          The wizard fights may not actually happen, but they represent deeper truths about the characters involved. Think of them as metaphors, if you like.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Gankerros, at this rate I'm not gonna make it, some advice?
          Keep in mind this entire VN is just a vehicle for a man's femdom fetish. Keep count of the amount of times you're told to lick a girl's soles/toes. Watch out for references to chastity cages and cuckqueen shit.

          >This means I don't need to read all the bullshit about wizard fights!
          If you don't want to read just stop reading it entirely. Consider the context of fantasy and it's purpose. Who does this fantasy please? Who is this escapism for? I don't remember when but one of the early chapters let you know about the bottles. The context of the fantasy segments is always that someone wrote this, and dozens of other fantasy stories for a reason. the fantasy segments are also where 07 flexes his comedic chops, some of the funniest shit i've ever read in my life.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only perspective which I must believe is Battler's.
        Correct, here's something to make it easier to understand Umineko. Whenever Battler is onscreen on the island (not with Beatrice), that's the truth. Everything else is an illusion. The demon sisters, the witches, the magical fights, all illusions.
        Battler's point of view becomes an illusion at the end of the second day when the clock hits, just like at the end of episode 2.
        You should pay attention to what characters that are not present when Battler is there, and what characters you don't see together when Battler is there. That should help you figure out some of the murders, especially in episode 2.
        And lastly, you can actually solve the mysteries and figure out who is the culprit and the accomplices.

        >implying magic isn't real

        I'm not sure because battler is trying to deny that witches exist, but at the same, he is inside a time loop, so weird.

        Magic IS real

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So is magic real, OP?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure because battler is trying to deny that witches exist, but at the same, he is inside a time loop, so weird.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Umineko is bad, but the early chapters are great and there are some good moments in the other chapters.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the mystery isn't that complex, anyone with an IQ above 80 should be able to notice the staff on the island must be involved, after that you just need to narrow it down

    the supernatural stuff is bs

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wasting your time on Umineko
    It's your own fault really.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was promised the golden land of horror games, written by the great Master Ryukishi07, but I don't know why reading a 120 hours novel feels like watching one piece, lying to ourselves saying that this is how a good tier novel should be.

      Aliens did it.

      Devil's proof!!!

      You shouldn't skip the fights. Sure, they're an illusion, but that doesn't mean they don't give out clues about what happened. This especially matters in episode 4.
      If you figure out who are magical characters represent, it should help solve the mystery easier. Just like Virgilia represents Kumasawa, Ronove represents another character on the island.

      Thank you anon, I will give it an opportunity

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One last thing, since you can solve the mysteries from just episodes 1-4, you stop at episode 4 and read the manga and stop at episode 4 too.
        Not only does the manga cut off all the filler and improve the pacing, but it lets you revisit the previous episodes with information you gathered from later episodes. This will especially be useful lets you catch some clues that you missed and solve the murder mysteries.
        And also, the manga art is really good, and you can understand what's happening there. Ryukishi07 was involved, so all the extra scenes are by him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The manga is shit and you're fucking retarded.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb Rikafag

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's wrong with the manga?
            It actually improves the atrocious pacing Umineko suffers
            Sure, it doesn't have the voice acting and the music the VN has, that's why I recommend others to read the manga after they read the VN

            The only badly paced parts are the beginning of Episode 2 and the Love Trials in Episode 6. If you complain about anything else being too drawn out or thinking that it's filler you got unironically filtered and I can almost guarantee that you weren't able to properly absorb the information given there.

            Don't forget the beginning of episode 4. Ange's backstory with Maria is a lot longer than it should be

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Umineko doesn't have atrocious pacing and your opinion of the beginning of Episode 4 is proof of your shit taste. The manga is unironically for low IQ retards who didn't understand the subtext of the VN. It's like watching Rashomon while a person next to you explains everything that's going on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude we get it, you feel strongly about chud tulpas arguing with each other about magic, it doesn't make people who dislike it low IQ

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I would be fine with it if someone disliked it, my concern is that they don't understand it in the first place though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Umineko doesn't have atrocious pacing
                Look at him and laugh
                Everyone knows Umineko suffers from pacing issues.
                Episode 4 is my favorite episode, but going through Ange's part at the beginning feels like an absolute chore. The manga shorten it and made it more bearable
                Also, you're not explaining why exactly is the manga bad other than >manga is just bad okay???

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The manga is bad because it gives clear answers to aspects that are intentionally left ambiguous, in a story that puts a heavy focus on that ambiguity to send a certain message. That and the highly inconsistent artwork, but that's a different matter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like clear answers, ambiguity is for trannies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Bible is for trannies?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, the bible is quite clear on what a man and what a woman is

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You implied any ambiguity is for trannies, when the Bible uses ambiguous symbolism to create further meaning

                Furthermore, I can argue: ‘ There is neither garden gnome nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.’

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You must be an excellent follower then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what is Our Confession
                Ryukishi made it a mystery instead of a fantasy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>what is Our Confession
                Something that's not the manga and still uses an intentionally unreliable narrator.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >intentionally unreliable narrator
                bro ryukishi is literally screaming in-game how they do shit. Beatrice is speaking so meta it may as well be ryukishi himself. If that's unreliable you're context-deaf.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The manga is bad because it gives clear answers to aspects that are intentionally left ambiguous
                You do realize that murder mysteries are meant to be solved, right? They're not meant to be left ambiguous, if that were the case, then Ryushiki07 shouldn't have given a lot of extra hints and revealed murder weapon in episodes 5 and 6.
                Both the VN and the manga reveal who is the culprit and the answer to the mysteries, but the manga gives out in a more straightforward way

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you think the VN was ambiguous you're a fucking retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reading comprehension
                Also, you didn't specify what are those aspects that are left ambiguous

                >You do realize that murder mysteries are meant to be solved, right?
                Do you realise that they don't matter and you're not actually meant to care about them?
                >why dunnit
                >wills speedrun of the earlier chapters
                >without love it cannot be seen
                How fucking blatantly obvious must an author get before you realise the point of the story isn't as it was initially billed and in fact hyper focusing on shit like that is what they're trying to discourage.

                Subverting expectations by itself (e.g., creating a mystery without a solution) is neither clever nor interesting. Whatever R07 tried to do with the story clearly didn't work.

                If Ryukishi didn't want Umineko to be a solvable murder mystery, then why did he introduce Knox's Decalogue?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't waste my time arguing with retards.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't waste my time
                >Umineko defender
                Lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thanks for revealing that you were just a troll

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was my first post in that reply chain

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Goat response

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right back at ya, retard

                butthurt retards, die stupid

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right back at ya, retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The same reason why Battler asked Dlanor if the decacog actually applies to the game board retard - because it simply represents the trust between the author and reader. The reader trusting in the author to deliver on their promises and the author trusting in the reader's investment in what they're writing about. A mutual love of literature.
                God you are fucking retarded. See what I mean about mysteryfags? You hyper focus on the decagog but you completely ignore Dlanor and her relationship with both the decagog and Knox

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh wow, that's a lot of words to say nothing.
                The Knox Commandants got introduced to make mystery solving easier, and to make readers not go full retard mode just like Battler did in episode 4 (small bombs).
                And what are you even arguing about? The original post was about how Umineko is meant to be solvable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you being retarded on purpose
                >you hyper focus on the decagog but you completely ignore Dlanor and her relationship with both the decagog and Knox
                >THE DECAGOG IS FOR MYSTERIES
                I should have ignored you like that other anon. Dlanor is there to let the story explore the writer/reader relationship. The mystery shit, as with the rest of the story, is set dressing for the relationship between Battler and Beato, Fucking have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta but why are you so mad? don't reply I don't actually care

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dlanor is there to let the story explore the writer/reader relationship
                Doesn't change the fact the mysteries are meant to be solvable.
                >The mystery shit
                Oh I get it, you're a goat who couldn't handle mysteries, got it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You do realize that murder mysteries are meant to be solved, right?
                Do you realise that they don't matter and you're not actually meant to care about them?
                >why dunnit
                >wills speedrun of the earlier chapters
                >without love it cannot be seen
                How fucking blatantly obvious must an author get before you realise the point of the story isn't as it was initially billed and in fact hyper focusing on shit like that is what they're trying to discourage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Subverting expectations by itself (e.g., creating a mystery without a solution) is neither clever nor interesting. Whatever R07 tried to do with the story clearly didn't work.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But there are solutions to pretty much everything in the VN. Ryukishi is simply asking you to not consider the mystery genre as a simple puzzle box to be solved, but also a genre that often has a story to tell.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the solutions are also pretty good minus episode 1 and 4 no one being able to overpower Sayo despite him being in close proximity to a bunch of adults and him landing every shot perfectly in ep 1 is retarded. and the entire ep 4 twist is really just Sayo's fanfiction and belief he understands everyone perfectly, and its pretty much impossible for anyone to ever actually solve this one. Ep 2/3 are great and easy enough to solve though, and 95% of ep 1 and the coverup is great

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >him
                >he

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm pretty sure Sayo was born with a vagina because Genji was worried Kinzo would tap that too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lion says that they like baking despite what you'd expect from their sex which implies male. Also Kinzo was so demented that i think he'd tap it anyway if he believed they were beatrice's reincarnation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does baking equal male?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                women can't cook

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cooking is seen as a feminine hobby.
                so you'd not expect a man to enjoy it or some shit. idk its like the 70s and the Ushiromiya's are not exactly open to anything outside of traditional upper class morals.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ghoda is a chud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's his career, not his hobby.
                male chefs are common.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a story to tell that involves a puzzle to be solved, retard. he just left his story unfinished and you retards think its deep

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Giving clear answers is both considered inelegant in mystery literature and also runs contrary to one of Uminekos core messages regarding the nature of "truth".

                >intentionally unreliable narrator
                bro ryukishi is literally screaming in-game how they do shit. Beatrice is speaking so meta it may as well be ryukishi himself. If that's unreliable you're context-deaf.

                I am well aware that he's being very blatant about it, but he still chooses to use that trope as to not violate his own subtext, maybe I should've made that point more clear.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The manga delivering it in an easily digestible manner is pathetic. I need Ryukushi07 to shove a full hour of the Kyrie's sister making fun of Maria's diary right up my ass or I will NOT be satisfied.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I need Ryukushi07 to shove a full hour of the Kyrie's sister making fun of Maria's diary right up my ass or I will NOT be satisfied.
                This but unironically. That scene was amazing and the manga captures none of the emotional buildup or tension.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aliens did it.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Umineko was a letdown for me. Primarily because the "reveals" and answers that Willard gives are just such shit. I think it's because in all of those hours of reading, I expected there to be actual clues and motivations behind people doing what they did in each episode, but there isn't. It's handwaved away as "eh, they lied, and they just did it for money"

    I was approaching the game and mystery as if it were actually having a motivation driven answer, but it doesn't. The game's mystery is more concerned with following a specific deductive pattern of what isn't possible rather than figuring out why a character might have done something. I guessed the culprit almost instantly(I suspect a lot of people did), but the actual answers of the mysteries in the game pissed me off.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The worst is Genji. Umineko-fags, please explain to me the "heart" behind Genji's character and why he was willing to commit mass murder-suicide.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He feels guilty about the existence he put on Yasu's shoulders after Yasu is promoted to Gold-miser in episode 7, it's explicitly stated.

        But yeah it's bullshit, nobody reasonable would do that. Genji is an honor-bound robot. I didn't care for the mystery itself nor the magic personally.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We have no idea what Genji did or would have actually gone through with, Yasu just used that premise for one of their many message bottle stories. For all we know not even Yasu believed he would really go through with something like that, but that's the point. A million things have to go right for any of the message bottle stories to be played out. Yasu was ready to die anyway.

        (And well, it's not like it's completely unimaginable that Genji could do something like that. There are a ton of ways to read his character, as with pretty much everyone else in Umi)

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All you need to know is Battler is incompetent and fucks trannies

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that two nukes wasn't enough.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You were so close to making it (mysteryfag making it). You are so far from making it as a magicfag.
    You said you were going to scooby doo it so who the fuck was the killer in ch 1, 2 or 3 retard? Tell us. If magic isn't real then how did it happen battora?!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me Magnus Carlsen the chessboard

      Maybe it was maría, that little looks very suHispanicious

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god i regret not dropping umineko
    everything past c1 gave me aids
    no love no see

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cut your dick off and have a nice day

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rn thinking of it, holy shit, so many hours wasted and I'm just in chapter 3

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HOW THE FUCK did you spend 48 hours just in the first 3 chapters??? how slow do you read. Each chapter is like 8-10 hours long except for 4 which is like 10-12 hours long.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was listening the voice acting

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please tell me you're not using those sprites. Play with the original sprites. Fucking hell. Higurashi is one thing but Umi's sprites are mandatory.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But the original sprites look ugly as hell

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's called soul. Look at their expressions. Look at the detailed and evocative depictions. The new sprites have none of that no matter which set you're talking about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Soul

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ps3 version has some neat CGs but it should be mentioned some expressions early on are actually fucked because of the conversion. I recall one moment where beatrice had one of her edgy looming stares during a more heartfelt moment whereas the corresponding sprite fit better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >48 hours
        >3 chapters
        bro... umineko is going to take you 200 hours instead of the regular 100

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh God! I can feel the pain of him saying Beatrice, so breath-taking and passionate.
          >Marvelous cackle, I must listen to all Beatrice's laughing because the voice actress put her heart into it!
          >I must hear the lament of George and Jessica when their parents die, so deep and sorrowful.
          Wanted to listen to the whole outstanding voice acting, worst mistake of my life

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Rashomon + House of Leaves + Anime. It's fucking fantastic but the combination of genuinely profound themes but shitty prose filters most people. The first one filters stupid people while the latter can filter smart people who are not willing to change their frame of reference for an unusual framework that more than makes up for its flaws at the end, at least in my eyes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The story and characters are genuinely pretty good, albeit with some flaws there, and the twists near the end can be offputting to people so I understand why it filters them.

      That being said. good god the prose is genuinely atrocious, I have no idea if its translation work of if Ryukishi is just a bad writer, but his prose is genuinely terrible and had me close to dropping it at multiple times. I enjoyed Umineko but I will never ever re-read it unless someone fixes his awful prose and makes it actually readable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, the early Witch Hunt translations were atrocious and I pity everyone who had to read the game like this. I explained it in detail as to why exactly in an earlier thread but I might post it again if this one doesn't get culled.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem with either translation is the ambiguity of if the answer/method to a riddle is solvable in japanese or english. I don't think many first-time readers are going to understand the methodology without outright spoiling themselves, since a lot of it revolves around wordplay.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder that Beato has a huge femcock.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a fucking gay holy shit

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I watched 20 (twenty) different people read through this game and only a single one actually understood most of the subtext of the story. All the others didn't understand magic at all and two of them were convinced that it was about hecking trans rights. Most of them (the chud lovers especially) were highly unempathetic towards the "evil" characters in the story, almost giggling gleefully at some of the torture scenes because the victims "deserved it", while constantly praising and trying to twist things in favor for Beatrice (and her real counterpart). For a story that puts such a giant focus on hammering into your head that you shouldn't judge people simply based on appearances it's fascinating to see how the oh-so tolerant players are the ones to immediately side with a character just because he or she seems cool/cute/sympathetic, no matter what kind of horrific acts they did, while judging the characters that are shown in a realistic light for every mistake as harshly as they can (greatest example: Rosa and Eva).

    Overall I think Umineko is severely underrated due to the format it's in while also being overrated for the wrong reasons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >two of them were convinced that it was about hecking trans rights. Most of them (the chud lovers especially) were highly unempathetic towards the "evil" characters in the story
      LHCollider, am I correct? What a fucking shame that playthrough was.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and two of them were convinced that it was about hecking trans rights.
      It... literally is. R07 is a big lib. Read Ciconia if you don't believe me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        R07 probably is a pro chud lib, but to be fair, in Umineko, Sayo is not a chud by choice and is also completely and utterly batshit insane and a pretty awful person

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          R07 is just a boomer who is suffering his mild life crisis so he is starting to chud

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Death of the author, in that case. Umineko is absolutely not about fucking trans rights and you are grossly misinterpreting the character in question.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Read Ciconia
        a) no one has read ciconia
        b) the entire point is to recognize that the sanitized society is fucked and nefarious.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no one has read ciconia
          I fucking did lmaaao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no one has read ciconia
          I was thinking of doing it since I liked Higurashi but was kinda meh on Umineko. Is it shitty or something? Or did you mean this literally since it's unfinished?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no one's read it because its never ever gonna be finished. R07 would rather just milk Higurashi dry until the heat death of the universe than write more Ciconia

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The first several hours of Ciconia are about setting up a gay date between the MC and his best friend. I'm serious.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              r07th embracing a very mental ill protagonist is a very strange choice. guess he need a new minority to try normalizing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All the characters in that are mpd schizos

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his characters tend to be mentally ill more often than not

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i know, i just think he is parading his new fetish.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ciconia is the gayest vn I have ever had the misfortune of playing. everything about it is libshit trash.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ciconia is awful but umineko was written before the authors mind was broken. if you want to read his best then read higurashi

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ryu was obviously off his meds when he added all the fetish shit. Trannies, crossdressing, homolust, big witch cock... "OHHHHH BEATORICHE" is an old man longing for his young, chud lover and his massive cock in his old, broken, gaping anus.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Italian Beatrice was definitely a woman considering Kinzo impregnated her.
            same with the second beatrice.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >never heard about futanari

              Oh, my dear child...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      r07 fucked up the pacing of his story trying to communicate the most obvious shit imaginable, yet majority of normalmorons were still confused about the culprit identity. Why even try in the first place?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Umineko was good
    I’m looking for VNs that leave you with an inkling of despair and a feeling of uneasiness like Childhood’s End And The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea
    Any suggestions?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked the playthrough with the two guys making voices for all the characters. It seemed they had a good time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I love Two Queers Play Umineko.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dropped it at chapter 3 too funnily enough. I don't know how high your bullshit tolerance (and free time) has to be to make it through all 8 chapters but you deserve a medal if you do. I thought it would be kind of similar to Ace Attorney and while Battler does have some passing semblance to Phoenix Wright, it's too drawn out and shittily paced.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i gave up half way through chapter 2, its not worth the time investment

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ugh it's so badly paces and drawn out and has so much filler
    >yeah I couldn't figure anything out because I kept ignoring all the hints, it's not my fault though
    Every time.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rank the chapters

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate Erika and I like Ange so my list will be controversial.

      8>3>4>1>7>5>6>2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1 > all
      I’m a sucker for horror
      The cryptic and paranormal stuff is right up my alley

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      4>5>1>3>8>7>6>2

      4 made me genuinely cry and was also the episode where I figured pretty much everything out; the culprit, the motivation (mostly), the nature of magic and witches, the rough timeline of events and what Ryukishis actual message was.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only badly paced parts are the beginning of Episode 2 and the Love Trials in Episode 6. If you complain about anything else being too drawn out or thinking that it's filler you got unironically filtered and I can almost guarantee that you weren't able to properly absorb the information given there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People bitch about the beginning of ep 2 for good reason, since its a massive cockblock after how good ep 1 was.
      That being said the first part of ep 2 despite seeming like filler is somehow more important than the entirety of ep 1 which is by far the least important episode in the entire narrative.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is he bitter that his popularity/success peaked with his early works? Actually, take it a step further and his first real project is more successful than his later stuff by quite a margin.
    Too bad about Ciconia, maybe silent hill furude will be decent

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Higu wasn't even that popular until he shilled it in the right circles. R07 is a master of marketing and not much else (outside of Umi which clearly came from the muses)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        from what I remember R07 didn't get that popularity until several chapters in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's a large gap between a competent writer and a great writer. r07th is clearly in the first camp.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't read Higurashi or Uminkeo but magic is unironically real

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s true
      Read Evola

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ebola is a shit Mage, for example his sun ritual will only boost your ego because you are doing it at a low material plane level.

        Just practice proper theurgy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Me oh my, very nice setup.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am humbled

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just based on hearing you say that, you maybe really should read Umineko. If you feel strongly enough to make a statement like that, the story itself will probably really appeal to you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll certainly read it then.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is there any reason in particular why every character is in the exact same retarded pose?

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    soo Umineko is a videogame, right? Where am I gonna start making decisions? I was expecting something like "suspect maria" or "suspect the 19th person", "accept that the golden witch exists" or "auto-suck your balls while trying to find the answer"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a sound novel.
      There is text, there is music, and there is voice acting.
      There is no gameplay outside of a short minigame in episode 8.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kara no Shojo and Kara no Shojo 2 are both fundamentally better mystery VNs than Umineko imo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Umineko is a love letter to the Golden Age of mystery novels, it's very upfront about using cliches and tropes.

      An absolute amazing first chapter. It takes a while to get there but the latter half is absolute peak horror and left me shaking for days afterwards.

      Everything afterwards is a fucking joke that only sullies that first chapter. Suddenly the story is throwing in lesbian e-bois and trying way too hard to pull meta shit. It gets annoying and up its own ass real fast. It's such a damn shame.

      t. has never read a mystery novel in his life

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Umineko is meant to be a meta commentary on those kinds of stories. But yes as pure mysteries those two are the best in the medium.
      It's a shame that the third one is trash. You won't believe me unless it gets a TL but it's a genuine fucking disaster.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when you find out what "uu-uu" means

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wasn't surprised

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That shit fucked me up good. It's a bit of emotional manipulation but holy hell does he pull it off well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I saw it coming but it still hit me like a brick in my nuts when the music played.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    An absolute amazing first chapter. It takes a while to get there but the latter half is absolute peak horror and left me shaking for days afterwards.

    Everything afterwards is a fucking joke that only sullies that first chapter. Suddenly the story is throwing in lesbian e-bois and trying way too hard to pull meta shit. It gets annoying and up its own ass real fast. It's such a damn shame.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>be me.
    Stopped reading here.
    have a nice day.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody asked.

    [...]

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would go back there if Rikaspammer and his gay friends were finally rangebanned.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But /jp/ is just Ganker but with extra steps

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What will come out first?
    Winds of Winter or Ciconia Phase 2?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      neither

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The real question is, will the new silent hill written by Ryukishi07 have 120 hours of reading gameplay???

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish Ryushiki had an editor that rewrites all the genuinely brilliant ideas he has into a more pleasing format. The story is still fucking kino though and it has one of the best OSTs of all time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its because BT died that R07 sidelined Battler vs Beatrice and forced his obvious selfinsert aka featherine to win Battlersbowl. Even the female staff called him out for that
      He even made Featherine in Higurashi Gou steal Beatrice's personality
      Battler vs Beatrice will always be pure soul

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >read murder of roger ACK-royd after reading umineko
    >still got tricked
    fuck it, I have no place being a detective

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck, is there a single character that isn't a chud except Battler? Is Ryu out of his mind? Why does he desire the chud huge cock so badly? Those are the actual mysteries.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Having actual existential schizo breakdowns doesn't make you a fucking chud but if it did it certainly wouldn't be a positive portrayal of it in any shape or form.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mildlife crisis

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mystery novels are not "puzzle boxes" to be solved. They are about understanding the author's intentions and motives as well as the fun of solving the mystery. They are stories to be learned from, and disregarding the "heart" of the story for the "logic" of the mystery means that the ultimate message will be lost on you. This is embodied in people like Erika, who callously shove the heart of Yasu's murders aside in a vain attempt to paint anyone she can as an insane murderer. This even extends to Battler himself, who treats his sessions with Beatrice like a "game to win" rather than a "story to be told", which causes a huge amount of problems in the meta-world plot and nearly allows Erika to win. The meaning of "Without love, it cannot be seen" is in reference to Aesop, referring to the fact that without a love for a story being told to you, the true meaning of a mystery cannot be understood.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A story can mean whatever the reader wants it to. If people want to view a mystery as purely a puzzle, they have every right to. R07 thinking otherwise makes him an entitled asshole.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know that the game has two endings, one of which is for the people who want to refuse this message, right? It's not considered a "bad ending" either and it's made very clear that it's better to choose what you truly believe in than whatever anyone else is trying to force on you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now, you could go through 200 hours of R07's autistic meltdowns to have that theme literally yelled at you.
      Or you could just read or play a really emotional mystery that teaches that theme through practice.
      Your choice. 15 hours with Toko > 200 hours with OHHHH BEATORICHE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fuck off shill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >VN literally came out a decade ago
          >sequel banned on Steam
          >finale won't ever be translated (and is shit)
          Yeah, that's some real potent shilling right there.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            go make your own thread, gay shill

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No. I have to use this thread, otherwise my shilling of this decade old software will go to waste.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because you know nobody wants to talk about your shit game and it will end up on page 11 in a heartbeat

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's right. Instead as you can see, people in this thread have already begun buying the game in droves.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I pirated it 10 times the devs are gonna have to file for bankruptcy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am devastated, truly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can tell because you keep replying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would you prefer that I stopped?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would really prefer if you would be quiet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what if i whisper

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Buy?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Your choice. 15 hours with Toko > 200 hours with OHHHH BEATORICHE
        I'll take the latter, thanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "I promised bro, those 19 hours of every character screaming beeeeatricheeeee at the top of their lungs are crucial for the plot"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Considering the amount of people I talked to who misunderstood a lot of the characters, themes and subtext it seems that this kind of repetition really is necessary.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            some people are just genuinely retarded and no matter how hard you hammer it in they won't get it. That doesn't mean repetition is needed.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I consider Ryukishis prose to be pretty bad but it's definitely on par with the vast majority of VNs. He is absolutely stellar at characterization and establishing a framework though, it also helps that a lot of Uminekos themes resonated with me on a personal level.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anon reveals that he's a chud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >seeing a heavily mutilated kid having an existential crisis and psychopathic, homicidal meltdown really strengthens my belief in trans rights
                The shit you people pull out of your asses is sometimes unbelievable.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Umineko thread
    Just admit it's bad, that R07 is a hack who was making it up as he went along, and the visual novel didn't live up to its promise of greater themes.

    Let it go.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Higurashi was made up as it went along. Umineko was clearly planned, even though the answer was stupid.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bunch of goats still mad that they got filtered 13 years ago

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Butterfly filtered.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Haha look at her go!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >umineko fighting game is fun as fuck
      >nobody plays it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it was fun playing it with /jp/ for about a month before everyone dropped it for whatever reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't the /jp/ general completely dead besides a couple schizos? I remember it started going to shit when the mega got reported and deleted.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dunno, I've moved on from the otaku life and became a tradie normie so most of my interests don't lay there anymore.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You were always a fucking gay so it checks out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rude

                How the fuck did you manage the transition? Genuinely shocking.

                I stopped masturbating to 2hus and went outside to learn real skills. Simple as

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It really isn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, it is. Sucks to hear you suck bro but it literally is that simple. At least it was for me

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How the fuck did you manage the transition? Genuinely shocking.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how I walk when trying to contain my massive boner

      Beato must have some sort of a horse cock to lift the skirt up that much.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: He did nothing wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's the only that will never do anything wrong.

      >bunch of goats still mad that they got filtered 13 years ago

      Honestly, EP7 was easily the best since it explained so many of the mysteries. And has the best protagonists.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That last part always felt weird to me.
        It allowed so many retarded scenarios because almost everyone apparently could be bribed to be an accomplice in murdering their own family members.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>what the fuck is going on?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i'm yikking out

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hears YIIK as YEEK instead of YICK
        Fucking e-celebrity rim polisher, have a nice day.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what the fuck are you even talking about
          fucking schizo lol fitting that we are in a seacats thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The crazy yellow witch is gonna teach us all about inductive and deductive thinking and the paradox of indoor ornithology 😀

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want(ed) to learn Italian through Japanese media
    not sure what the fuck was I thinking

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same dude I dropped that shit on EP5. It does not get better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrong, episode 7 is amazing

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    visual novels are boring. is the anime worth watching if you like Higurashi?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah the anime is great

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The anime is terrible, if you're going to watch it just watch it with the meme subs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    starts playing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      starts playing

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ghoda wasn't even supposed to be at work that day and beatrice sucked 37 cocks on her way through the forest

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UmiBlacks on suicide watch

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain why the Beatrice witch character is called a chud in the threads

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are likely a biological male named Yasu who had his dick destroyed when Natsuhi tried to murder him as a baby. and when reconstructed he had no genitals and went crazy for wanting someone to love him, and made three personalities, Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice all of which fell in love with different members of the family. (Shannon with Battler and then later George, Kanon with Jessica, and then Beatrice was created to store the love for Battler). So basically they are a schizo chud who thinks they are three people at once, one of which is male, the other two are female, and they are also a eunuch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >(Shannon with Battler
        I thought Yasu was the one in love with battler?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ganker is full of retards

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITALIANANON SAVE THIS THREAD WITH THE COLD HARD TRUTH

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ciconia will never be finished.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Manga + Osts are a true Umineko experience

    You guys can spend 200 hours UOOOOOOH BEATORICO while I can finish kino in 15

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cool but nobody asked

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You won't ever make it if you believe everything you see

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the opposite of the truth. You will make it if you believe everything you see, including the truth behind it. Mysteryfag doubters blind themselves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So what you're telling me is you're both a woman -and- a man

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First chapter:
    > OOHHH BEATORICHI
    Second chapter:
    >USHIROMIYA BATOOOOOORAAAAAAAA
    Third chapter:
    >*CACKLE*

    Can't wait to find out what's it gonna be in 4th chapter

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I read Umineko before Higurashi am I gonna be doing myself a disservice?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Some retards will down play it but Umineko is a direct sequel. Play Higurashi first. Now, in a deeper sense and lot of the choices dragonknight makes when writing Umi are direct responses to how the readers of Higu felt. You will most likely agree with those criticisms and praises so there will be a meta continuity beyond the internal narrative continuity (which does exist)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Excellent, thanks.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thread is still up
    i should go to sleep

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't get how can anyone read umineko or higurashi. It's like reading a brick.
    I don't know if it's ryoukyshi or the translation itself but it's so fucking bad.
    I read a mystery book like Agatha Christie and I can see it's well written and everything is good, even if a case is simple.
    I pick this and it's sooooo fucking bothersome, it feels like a chore reading this. And reading more VNs feels like this also.
    Does this happens to anyone else with japanese VN, anyone.

    Doesn't higurashi have a 2 hour chapter about making curry or something?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, umineko is not a videogame, Visual novels aren't videogames if I'm just reading and I don't choose wack.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How old are you and is English your first language?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ryoukyshi
      yeah rucker shoe or... whatever, that guy that did the high school rashes or something

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How old are you and is English your first language?

        Neither is chinchong's because umineko is top 10 shits I've ever read in my entire life. Again, I don't know if its the translation or roncheeses writing but the fact that even with my English I can get a better story than him says enough.
        >MMMMMMM let's make another joke about Beatrice's boobs. 10/10 writing, the best of the best Nippon has to offer, not even the best artists of the world can compare.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >didn't answer the question
          You need to be 18 to post here.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Would it kill you to put some effort?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I read a mystery book like Agatha Christie and I can see it's well written and everything is good, even if a case is simple.
      >I pick this and it's sooooo fucking bothersome, it feels like a chore reading this
      Chapter 1 had all the clues you need to solve it but they're covered by a kawaii tarp that makes retards dismiss them.

      Also, umineko is not a videogame, Visual novels aren't videogames if I'm just reading and I don't choose wack.

      >Visual novels aren't videogames if I'm just reading and I don't choose
      Anon....

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A basketful of beatrice, handle with care.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much of it is pure penis in weight?

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well consider me a goat because I didn't give a shit about most of the characters and bullshit anime twists like when one character pretends to be 3 different people but nobody just notices it or comments on it until the end lmao didn't feel like good writing.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >seacats is still filtering goats in 2023
    dragon knight is based
    hopefully he releases something new that isn't higurashit one of these days

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't assume it's a mystery game.
    Every anon that tells you it's a mystery game is full of shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is the dumbest shit I've heard about umineko yet but go off queen you deserve it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a mystery, but the story stops giving a shit about it halfway though. and if you weren't one of the dumbasses who discussed the mystery online you'll probably end up completely confused when the story """"""reveals""""" the mystery to you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is the dumbest shit I've heard about umineko yet but go off queen you deserve it

      Umineko is a romance mystery novel

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a mystery, but the story stops giving a shit about it halfway though. and if you weren't one of the dumbasses who discussed the mystery online you'll probably end up completely confused when the story """"""reveals""""" the mystery to you.

        You need to go back I don't care where you just need to leave.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've been here longer than you

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I seriously doubt that and if true I'll buy you a beer because you need it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              2004, I could really use a beer

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh hey me too let's drink

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We’re in the same boat OP. I was hooked after the first chapter but it really became a slog after like chapter 3. I read this like 7 years ago when it felt like I had infinite time, and I stopped at some point during chapter 7, but really I mentally checked out of it after like chapter 5.
    >”Y-you should’ve just finished it!!”
    Nah, this VN is something that I seriously wanted to like but I wasn’t a fan of the magic element. It was cool that it was used as an easy out to explain complicated methods to challenge Battler, but I don’t need to waste 50 hours on witch shit. The anons suggesting the manga are correct, because the story is paced terribly if you don’t 100% align with the writers vision. Every time I see a post on here how people are too retarded to enjoy it are just shilling themselves into thinking this 100hr book couldn’t have been told in 40-50hrs.
    Great soundtrack tho

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