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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The twist in my sobriety

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what if it was just one guy with 5 guns?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yakuza overall has shit writing. 0 is the best and only if it's your first game because if not, you are looking for Kiryu and Majima to finally meet but it never fricking happens until some shitty post-credits, shitty timesskip fanservice scene with LE MEME KIRYU CHAN. Fricking embarassing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Yakuza overall has shit writing.
      nah, it's very good at what it's supposed to be, the male equivalent of a soap opera.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yakuza 0 is the only prequel that gets worse the more of the original you've seen and it's very funny whenever crab bucket yakuza fans try to convince people to play kiwami first

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what? yakuza oldgays will tell you to play the PS2 originals first, not kiwami

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he's talking about people who started with 0 and went through kiwami instead of playing the originals

          • 3 weeks ago
            Moose

            No, he's saying people will try to tell you to play K1 as your first game which is dumb because it's a sequel to 0. It's not 1 so it's not meant to be an intro game and expects you to be coming off of 0 which is why it has so much time dedicated to Nishiki and a bunch of new substories and references back to 0.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >0gay getting uppity yet again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hot opinion
      >le
      you're such a fricking poser lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The amount of asspulls and moronic twists is ridiculous, the only reason people remember the writing is because the endings are mostly worth it

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    THE POWER TO MIND HACK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that was a good twist

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing beats Star Ocean 3 and the ending of the story DLC of The Callisto Protocol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ending of the story DLC of Callisto Protocol
      the main game was so disappointing and had such a shit ending that I doubt I'll ever play the dlc. What's awful about it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Moose

        >What's awful about it?
        Jacob had his body parts either cut off or blown up after he beat the warden at the end of the game and had his last stand with the infected. The doctor who was a floor below him at the ending and helped Dani saved him and hooked him up to some IVs. She did this to keep him alive long enough that she could get the information of his experiences of Callisto that was saved in his CORE copied so that is makes the bootleg Unitologist Illuminati culpable for the entire infection. Even then she says it might never reach anyone and might accomplish nothing. The entire DLC is a fever dream Jacob is having as he's going in and out of consciousness from the pain and drugs and ends with him dying as the doctor sends out the information to whoever she could. Then after the credits it cuts to the VA of Jacob joking around that he's stuck there limbless while Jacob is dead and he needs them to let him out.

        It's awful.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't get how Glen took so many years and basically came back with a shitty ripped off version of Dead Space but with worse combat. How did he not refine on the formula or idea in any way during all that time?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ending of the story DLC of Callisto Protocol
      the main game was so disappointing and had such a shit ending that I doubt I'll ever play the dlc. What's awful about it?

      >What's awful about it?
      Jacob had his body parts either cut off or blown up after he beat the warden at the end of the game and had his last stand with the infected. The doctor who was a floor below him at the ending and helped Dani saved him and hooked him up to some IVs. She did this to keep him alive long enough that she could get the information of his experiences of Callisto that was saved in his CORE copied so that is makes the bootleg Unitologist Illuminati culpable for the entire infection. Even then she says it might never reach anyone and might accomplish nothing. The entire DLC is a fever dream Jacob is having as he's going in and out of consciousness from the pain and drugs and ends with him dying as the doctor sends out the information to whoever she could. Then after the credits it cuts to the VA of Jacob joking around that he's stuck there limbless while Jacob is dead and he needs them to let him out.

      It's awful.

      I don't get how Glen took so many years and basically came back with a shitty ripped off version of Dead Space but with worse combat. How did he not refine on the formula or idea in any way during all that time?

      >Callisto Protocol
      >from the producers of old game comes old game but better this time

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's not as bad as everybody says. He still went in with the intent of killing 12 men, and fully believe he did for well over a decade

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any of MGS "twists".

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My motives are very complex

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baten Kaitos
    Way to telegraph the entire thing as soon as the magical 'save the world' item disappears

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't criticize yakuza 4 you pieces of shit that game is perfect

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if
    >Shelby is the Origami Killer
    >Alice is an Android
    or
    >Deviancy is an elaborate form of planned obsolescence
    is the most moronic David Cage Twist.
    He has a lot of really fricking moronic twists, but these are the ones that completely sabotage and ruin the stories by going entirely against the established themes or ruining LITERALLY everything about the story's flow for the sake of a surprise.

    The one saving grace to Indigo Prophecy and Omikron is that they're too deranged to be able to be ruined by a twist, because it would just be more absolute insanity piled onto the growing mess. For Beyond, the story beats are so predictable despite being told completely out of sequence that the attempts at twists aren't surprising enough to change anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is Shelby a bad twist. I remember it being pretty good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Moose

        There's a part during the story where his internal monologue has him outright lying to himself just to make it so you don't know he's the Origarmi Killer. He's basically investigating himself.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shelby feels worse to me because of the games whole mechanic of hearing the characters thoughts, so you have Shelby think to himself
          >Man Manfred has been in the back for a while, I should check on him
          Despite the fact he just bashed his head in 10 seconds ago.

          What's annoying about that part is that some of his other thoughts do work at hinting he's the killer, like when they're looking about the typewriter he can think to himself
          >Lauren thinks she’s about to find the killer. I’m afraid she’s going to be disappointed.
          but the way the line for him checking on the old guy sounds like he's genuinely thinking to himself what's taking so long despite the fact he just killed him, and it would have been an easy fix, just have the woman comment about the old man taking so long.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a nonsensical motivation that sabotages a lot of the supposed themes of the story and it requires the game to directly lie to you multiple times to be able to pull off the twist. You hear his internal monologue at several points expressing desire to capture the Origami Killer, and the camera has to weirdly cut and hide things while you are in control of him to hide that he's doing Origami Killer shit at the time.

        The real thing is that the twist serves no purpose OTHER than to be a twist. It doesn't recontextualize his motivations or make him a more compelling or interesting character. It would have UNIRONICALLY been a better story and game if we knew from the start that Shelby is the killer and you're able to see his motivations and get a direct, insightful look into why he is the killer.

        The best part of Indigo Prophecy is when it's a mundane murder mystery story where you play as the murderer trying to investigate your own crime while hiding the evidence, AND you are playing as the cops trying to capture you. Cage is weirdly good at police stories like that (at least compared to anything else) but refuses to actually commit to them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shelby feels worse to me because of the games whole mechanic of hearing the characters thoughts, so you have Shelby think to himself
      >Man Manfred has been in the back for a while, I should check on him
      Despite the fact he just bashed his head in 10 seconds ago.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shelby is worse because the game flat out lies but Alice being an android might be the stupidest. They establish that androids can recognize and communicate with each other but Kara just never figures it out? You steal clothes from an actual human to keep an android warm. She eats fricking spaghettii.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still remember how the blackouts Ethan was having was due to him having a psychic link to Shelby when Jason died, and his blackouts were when Scott was killing kids and you would have a dream sequence in his flooded house finding a drowned Shaun before waking up holding the origami, but they cut it out because it was too moronic and left the blackouts in as red herrings.
      Also the woman's introduction was really strange, what was the point of the scene of her being chased and killed in her house during a dream, jerk off material for Cage?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wasn't deviancy basically a prank where the creator of robots made them self-aware and able to feel emotions, suppressed it a bit and then sold them as if they weren't self-aware or able to feel emotions because it would be really interesting and funny?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's like several different conflicting explanations and twists for it depending on what ending you get, which makes it particularly moronic. The "planned obsolescence" one is just the most ridiculous of them all.

        I still remember how the blackouts Ethan was having was due to him having a psychic link to Shelby when Jason died, and his blackouts were when Scott was killing kids and you would have a dream sequence in his flooded house finding a drowned Shaun before waking up holding the origami, but they cut it out because it was too moronic and left the blackouts in as red herrings.
        Also the woman's introduction was really strange, what was the point of the scene of her being chased and killed in her house during a dream, jerk off material for Cage?

        Yeah, it was one of the few times he got tard-wrangled into submission to avoid putting the outrageous thing into his story. Heavy Rain still turned out completely deranged, though.
        >jerk off material for Cage?
        Yeah.
        Every scene the b***h is in is her nearly getting raped, except for the scenes where she's trying to frick the Maybe Child Murderer while he's horribly mangled and acting unhinged.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ethan Mars MUST be the killer!
      Wouldn't he have been in a coma when the first murders happened? He was out for 6 months and that's not counting rehab and physical therapy after wasting away in a bed for half a year?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ethan not being the killer is not why the twist is moronic.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wasn't referring to the twist itself, just it didn't make sense for me that they go in a manhunt for Ethan when I don't see how he could have been killing people while in a coma and recovering in hospital.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, then yeah, that's an entirely fair thing to point out. Heavy Rain is filled with plot holes like that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't they even show Shelby got the entire idea to kill kids and give the dads trials because he saw Ethan trying to save Jason? I doubt Shelby waited until Ethan was out of hospital to start killing kids.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rubber bullets isn't even the dumbest thing that happens in 4, I don't get why brainlets get so hung up on that shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Moose

      >I don't get why brainlets get so hung up on that shit.
      Because it causes so many issues even if the game brings up said issues so people dislike it.

      >Whitewashes Saejima's murders regardless if he had the intent and went through with it.
      This makes a lot of people view his confession in the coliseum as completely pointless because they don't view it from the lens of "He murdered those people and has to live with the guilt" anymore, they view it as "Well, Katsuragi killed them, so this self-hatred is in the wind, why should I care now?". I can't tell you how many times I've seen this complaint.
      Obviously Saejima still led to their deaths so the deaths are still on him, but a lot of people don't like the whitewashing of Saejima's murders to put the actual kills on Katsuragi paired with it making the speech feel far less impactful now that you know he didn't really kill anyone himself; Katsuragi shot them all. He effectively just stunned them so it's not murder, it's manslaughter.
      >The entire story only happens because Katsuragi made multiple terrible decisions in a row knowing they were awful and didn't plan for anything outside of winging the hit.
      He didn't realize a coroner would see two bullet wounds on every body, didn't realize experimental bullets would be noticed missing despite being experimental, didn't realize said experimental bullets would be found at the scene of the crime, relied on people who never fired guns to "kill" 18 people without getting shot during it and with only 18 rounds meaning every single one would have to be "killed" in a single shot, and most importantly had to wake up first before anyone else to kill them.
      >It leads to Arai trying to kill Munakata with them.
      Munakata somehow knew his gun had them in it so that he was safe, that Arai would try shooting him in the first place, and Arai seemingly had no real plan after he shot his boss to death in the middle of a police precinct if his plan did succeed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not pretending rubber bullets was good writing, it just baffles me that people find it so offensive when it's in the same game as "We don't know what's going on, let's just put a bunch of money on top of Millennium Tower and see who shows up".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget secret Koreans and secret warships

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those are different games but yeah, Yakuza is full of moronkino. Don't know why people draw the line at rubber bullets.

            Because it's what the entire story is build upon. Like, think about it for just a minute. Katsuragi's plan could not have succeeded if Munakata wasn't also corrupt. He essentially went through with a plan that had a massive failure rate, that even if it succeeded would have still been stopped dead in its tracks had the people along the chain of command not been corrupt and willing to ignore evidence or cover stuff up, that would have pretty much just sent him and only him to jail, and wouldn't have saved the Ueno Seiwa in any way.

            There's Akiyama's safe and what you said, but the rubber bullets stuff is significantly more egregious because so much of the story is tied to it.

            Nah it's easily ignored if you just don't think about it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the ending is a lot more upfront and in your face with how ridiculous and nonsensical it is.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Moose

              >if you just don't think about it
              You're basically saying don't pay attention to 90% of the story except when another dumb thing happens when the thing you're not paying attention to is way more egregious than beating each other up on a roof to draw the final bosses in.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Don't know why people draw the line at rubber bullets.
              i thought everyone going up to the rooftop to beat the shit out of each other to reveal the villain was even funnier, mirror face was 10x dumber (and 100x funnier) than rubber bullets. i think the only time yakuza ever got 'serious' even slightly right was ishin and that was only because it was based in historical events to keep the story grounded.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Moose

          Because it's what the entire story is build upon. Like, think about it for just a minute. Katsuragi's plan could not have succeeded if Munakata wasn't also corrupt. He essentially went through with a plan that had a massive failure rate, that even if it succeeded would have still been stopped dead in its tracks had the people along the chain of command not been corrupt and willing to ignore evidence or cover stuff up, that would have pretty much just sent him and only him to jail, and wouldn't have saved the Ueno Seiwa in any way.

          There's Akiyama's safe and what you said, but the rubber bullets stuff is significantly more egregious because so much of the story is tied to it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wtf i thought spoilers were disabled on Ganker
            [Spoiler/] gay [/spoiler]

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gay
              [Spoiler] gay [/spoiler]

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i laughed through that entire sequence
    game sucks btw

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mirror Face in Slopkuza 7

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The twist that killed a franchise

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kazuma Kiryu has never drank or smoked in his life. Truly I wonder how is it possible this man got cancer?!

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >[Spoiler/][/spoiler]

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FAQ me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok I swear it worked with capslock before
      [SPOILER] BOOM [/SPOILER]

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NIGHTMARE MODE WORST GAMING TWIST OF ALL TIME
    !!! NUCLEAR SPOILERS DO NOT CLICK !!!

    Ganker is still the best and only worthwhile place on the internet to discuss video games

    what the f*ck were they thinking? the greatest mistake of all time. nobody is happy, nobody is satisfied, everyone is left miserable.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't that entire twist to point out that Katsuragi was utterly moronic at planning stuff given how Munakata easily found all the damn flaws in that plan?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Moose

      4 has multiple twists. It's the Saw of Yakuza.
      >Katsuragi's plan was so stupid that he's absurdly lucky that it all played out as it did because he had no plan at all and was winging it.
      >Saejima didn't actually kill anyone, it was Katsuragi who did it.
      >Sugiuchi is a yakuza pretending to be a cop.
      >Arai is a cop pretending to be a yakuza.
      >The bullets in Arai's gun are rubber bullets.
      >Kido is actually an antagonist and not Saejima's friend.

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