NASB2: Happy-Happy Joy-Joy Edition

Are you dumb? Dude I can be gaming is an actual line Mikey said from a game he appeared in. Steempy has been said before too it's just more iconic from Coney doing it.

Excusable since Hugh's the meme character, it was a way of thanking Hugh Nation since they were the reason he got in the game.

>The cartoons are sillier
A lot of games in Smash are silly as well such as Mario, Sonic, Kirby, Pac-Man, etc, and they're taken seriously.

NONE of those games are as silly as the cartoons present in NASB. Dishonest comparison.

They literally aren't. Mario is more focused on action and Mario showing heroics in a fairly "grounded" manner. A lot of Nickelodeon cartoons are just comedies with no serious continuity or action. A character's feat is rarely ever consistent or taken seriously.

Objectively wrong. It's family friendly as an action platformer. Mario's entire thing is being a fighter, using his powers to stomp the opposition. Spongebob's entire thing is just dicking around with his combat prowess being inconsistent at best and flat out incompetent most of the time.

Spongebob's "karate expertise" do not work 90% of the time nor are his feats consistent. Spongebob's main thing as a show is a comedy, the dicking around with a noticeable lack of consistency IS the show, it's what defines Spongebob. Any action is a small minority that doesn't represent Spongebob as a character. He spends more time bubble blowing and fucking around with Patrick/Squidward than he does use karate.

Mario goes on journeys on the regular and takes them relatively serious. Spongebob does not, it's rare that you see him even focus on the journey. Like the movie, Spongebob spends a lot of time just singing how he's a man and gets away from danger just by dicking around.

Hugh is already meme shit, his entire existence is to be a meme joke character. Not only that, but it's a HIDDEN TAUNT. It's not in your face at all, stop making a stink over a nothingburger.

The social media garbage is the only reason Hugh got in the game with his official VA and staff supporting NASB and backing that Hugh Nation campaign. A hidden shoutout is not a big deal. Not only that, but it's the only truly meme line which was placed on a meme character. Nothing else.

And Hugh wasn't added to pander to you or your tastes. Those people are what got him in the game to begin with. It wasn't too far, you're throwing a tantrum over something you likely never saw normally. That's a pointless thing to get your panties in a twist about. A single voice line.

While i wouldn't be this harsh i do agree.
People gave Hugh a pass and now we have Arnold's grandma.

Real characters or not the devs going out of their way to be memey and unpredictable just for the sake of it just makes this all look like one big joke.

No one's trying to make the devs be more like Sakurai, we're just comparing them to Sakurai and pointing out how he succeeds where the NASB devs fail.

I never said.
I wasn't the guy who said that.
I think you have me confused with another Anon.

I agree that putting people down like that isn't good and i also agree that Sakurai's way isn't the only way.
But to fair fair about that last point, Sakurai's way really is the most successful way and no other way has managed to come close. The only exception being the Multiversus way that was unique from Smash and sill very successful.

I don't know what's worse, the people who think Spongebob should be taken seriously, the people who think iconic moments shouldn't be in movesets, or the people who are stirring the pot by comparing this game to Multivesus.

>Slap City
>Successful
bro, the peak player count for that game was 781 players. It's obvious that Slap was never going to take off with its horrendous visuals.

t. Mr Enter

I never said that. You're miscontrsuing my words.
I'm fine with SpongeBob being silly, but SpongeBob is more than just silly.
In fact the episodes that are only silly and goofy just for the sake of being silly and goofy are considered some of the worst episodes of the show.

The ratio feels more weighed in the favor of silly.
If you want a good example of how SpongeBob can be a fine balance in a game then look at Battle for Bikini Bottom.

Oh fuck off. Battle for Bikini Bottom is the best representation of SpongeBob in video games.
Tell me, how much SpongeBob do you watch? Because there's no way someone with your attitude towards BFBB is actually a fan.

So why is it OK to pander to memers and not to people who care about the Nicktoons?

You do know that by going out of your way to start fights with everyone you disagree makes you the one who starts the "us vs them" mindset yourself, right?

Well do you have any proof that they do care? Especially the devs?

>They have watched Nick shows too and were happy to sign up because they respect and like the IP.
Pic related.
>Them being silly with a silly brand isn't a big deal.
Nickelodeon is more than just a silly brand.
The shows actually have heart and soul to them. All of the Nicktoons that are just silly and nothing else aren't looked back on fondly such as Breadwinners or Pig, Goat, Banana, Cricket.
>Not only that, but the Hugh Nation was formed out of genuine fondness for Nicktoons and Hugh.
I will admit that you have a point there but at the same time those people don't put their money where their mouth is.
>Those same people root for Jimmy Neutron even if they primarily pushed to give Hugh some spotlight.
Then why didn't the devs use Jimmy first when he was the more requested and wanted character?
This is more questionable if Hugh is cut from NASB2. But then again that is an assumption and won't be proven right or wrong until the game is out.

>but it's the only truly meme line which was placed on a meme character. Nothing else
Oh fuck off already. Are you part of the dev team? Because I can't imagine dickriding this game so hard you spout objective lies to defend it.

>Gets rid of a line from a porn video
>Except the line was edited in the porn video
>And kids (the supposed target audience for this) would have no idea of this video
Ludosity knows nothing of the franchises they're supposed to represent.

That line was said by Jenny in the actual show retard. Not a meme line that never existed like Hugh Nation.

I do. But ultimately that context came AFTER the show.

By that logic Terry Bogard couldn't use Buster Wolf since it became a meme. Or Sephiroth can't use his iconic down air since the scene got memed a LOT.

And the same shit applies here. If its an iconic scene then it should be used or represented somehow. Sephiroth's down air exists purely for reference sake rather than it being a constant ability.

Objectively wrong. Imagination is one of the most remembered and iconic scenes of Spongebob as a character.

Yes it does speak to Spongebob's character. It fits his childish perception of reality in a fun creative way. It's one of his most remembered and iconic scenes for a reason or it wouldn't have been a meme.
>Doesn't make sense as an attack
It's a cartoon fighting game with logic being thrown out the window. It's fucking stupid to whine about "what makes sense as an attack" when Smash and mainline fighting games debunk that idea. Anything can be an attack if you give it a hitbox.

The entire arcade mode is them being forced to pick out of context lines because of Nick's mandate you dishonest retard. I can say whatever the fuck I want. Them using iconic stuff associated with a character is not a crime.

Not that Anon but maybe they could have just not used Hugh.
It's not like everyone who wanted him actually played the game.

Honestly it's better to go out with dignity and integrity. I can't say the devs have any of that at this point.

If you wanna talk about character the the fact that you take every pile of shit thrown at your face without question just goes to show a low your character's standards are.

No one's saying it can't be goofy, i'm saying that it should be taken more seriously.
When a game isn't taken seriously by the devs then it won't be taken seriously by the audience and that'll just harm the game's reputation in the long run.
Just look at NASB1 with its ruined reputation.

>There you go again, demanding that it needs to be treated as serious business when a Nickelodeon plat fighter is inherently going to have people laughing and viewed as a meme game.
Well people did take it seriously before the game came out and it was revealed to just be one big joke.
>Like it or no, no one will ever take a Spongebob fighting game too seriously so why should the devs?
There's a whole lot of people who take SpongeBob seriously.
And even if not that doesn't mean SpongeBob shouldn't be taken seriously in a fighting game.
Multiversus has Looney Tunes, Scooby-Doo and Gremlins yet that game is taken seriously by the devs.
>They should freely have fun with it
You do know that it's possible to have fun and still be serious at the same time, right?
Again, Multiversus is a good example.
>especially when the fans literally asked for it and start clapping their hands when they notice references.
You mean the "OMG it's thing i recognize so it must be good!" crowd?
>The FANS asked for Hugh, the idea that they should just ignore him and rain on people's parades is pathetic.
Ah yes, the fans who didn't even bother to play the game once Hugh released. The fans who only kept on memeing and didn't care enough to play the game. What big fans they are huh?
>Irrelevant. You need to stop making unrelated shit for your narrative. NASB 1 had its "ruined reputation" for being a genuine bad game that didn't even function.
How the fuck is NASB1 irrelevent to any NASB2 discussion?

>Not really. Nobody minded the competitive gameplay and choices.
The game being too competitive was one of the major complaints.
>The problem comes from it's lack of single player, lack of functional online, terrible balance, movesets playing the same, ACTUAL issues.
Yes, those are issues. And so is the focus on competitive play.
>No one gives a shit about the memes or goofy roster choices being here.
Again, those are complaints people have with the game.
It really does feel like you're stuck in the honeymoon phase.
>So fucking what? Different devs do different things
Yeah, and those different devs proved how better they are. Those differences are why Multiversus BTFO'd NASB.
>the vast majority don't mind the game being non serious as long as the game is good.
No one is paying attention to NASB2 despite its improvements so either people do mind or the improvements are as great as people like you are making them out to be.
>No it's not, it has a very different approach from NASB.
Yes it is, you're right, and that's why Multiversus became much bigger than NASB.
>Irrelevant.
No it's not. They've been begging for Hugh only to not play as him.
When fans of a character want that character they want them in to play as them, not to just meme about and not even play as them.
>NASB 1 had problems unrelated to Hugh.
If they were big fans of Hugh then they would have returned no matter what.
It's not like any of those problems prevented them from playing as Hugh for even just the arcade mode.
>The idea they should just drop making fans happy just because they made a flawed product instead of improving the product is fucking stupid.
You and i both know that Jimmy Neutron would have made fans happier than Hugh.
Yes Jimmy is in NASB2 but it's too little too late for that.

No it wasn't. It was the lack of single player content so that gave the impression of "competitive pandering" which is confirmed to not be the case. You are wrong to try and make it an issue.
>Those are complaints
No they aren't, that's a vocal minority. I'm not stuck in honeymoon phase for liking something you don't. Get over yourself.
>Those differences are why MVS BTFO'd NASB
No the fuck it didn't. It's the fact that it was a game given freedom and budget. NASB didn't have that, that's not the dev's fault.
>No one is paying attention
Wrong.
>That's why MVS became much bigger
Again, no, it was for having Warner's budget and freedom. If you knew shit about NASB's development process you'd understand.
>No it's not
Yes it is. They wanted Hugh in the game and got him, enjoyed him, then moved on. The game wasn't owed their constant attention. That's like saying anyone who really loved Catdog needed to stick to NASB or he should've been cut.
>They would have returned no matter what
That's not how reality works and you're delusional to say that. People wouldn't have came back for Jimmy Neutron either. Cope, the fact that you have to project on an entire group of people just for wanting his inclusion as a fun novelty than a serious "oath of serious loyalty" or whatever the fuck you want is pathetic. They can be fans of Hugh without being diehard fans of NASB, it's not black and white and you're a fucking moron to claim that they need to stick to a buggy broken game just because.
>Too little too late
The wide positive reception proves otherwise, stop hiding behind dumbass narratives.

>And you didn't play the game much either, they have no reason to pander to you.
Mother fucker i was one of the people who die hard defended NASB for months before release and i kept on defending t months after while playing the game for months.
You have no right telling me such a thing.
>Because you're using it in a way that's completely irrelevant to your point. Its reputation had nothing to do with its choices. Its reputation came from the game being rushed with no budget, something out of Ludo's hands. People disliked the game for being ugly with a lot of clunky things to it. Only a vocal minority of whiny babies whine about memes and shit.
Ludosity's choices have directly impacted the game's image by making the characters not play like how they should and making roster decisions that are a joke for outsiders looking in.
Again, you're being a douchebag just to defend the honor of Ludosity.
How are you not a Ludosity dev at this point?

>Making the characters not play like how they should
That was a budget and time constraint issue. Stop being a fucking moron and maybe then I'd "be less of a douche" you keep trying to speak for everybody and treat your opinion as fact. It's fucking obnoxious.

While i disagree on the "aggressively bad" thing i do completely agree with everything else you mentioned.
Is it wrong to believe that Ludosity should have just stuck with Slap City and turn down Nick?

I see where you're coming from but at the same time how many people are willing to check out a good game from the same developer when the only game of thier's they know of is a worse product?
Ludosity had the reputation of a hidden gem but thanks to NASB they traded that away for the reputation of being just another Nickelodeon shovelware dev.

Yeah there's improvements but NASB1 turned out so badly people aren't willing to even check out those improvements.
And keep in mind whatever profit the game make has to be split between at least four companies, including Ludosity.

Remember that whatever money the game makes they have to split it between three other companies and we don't even know if it's split evenly.
Also, first experience working with a big company is Nickelodeon? That's like someone having their first experience with movies being Adam Sandler kek.

Would you really be willing to co star with Adam Sandler in an Adam Sandler movie even if the pay is good?

The general reception says otherwise. NASB is widely regarded as the better and more fun game than that dogshit Punchtime Explosion.

XL?

>Maybe Vlad does some overshadowing in the story mode...
Well, that is how he won the election.

In one episode of Danny Phantom Danny gets Vlad's mansion completely destroyed, not because Vlad was doing anything bad, but because Danny just wanted to mess with him.
Sam was against this idea telling Danny that antagonizing Vlad will only cause him to strike back and she was right.
Vlad would later run for mayor of Amity Park just so he can mess with Danny but worse.
Vlad manages to win by possessing the voters with his ghost duplication.
Vlad would then make chances to the town specifically to spite Danny, including shutting down his favorite fast food joint.
Danny would then fight back against Vlad in his ghost form causing Vlad to hunt after Danny with a ghost catching gun.
Danny hides behind a car and changes back to his human form after Vlad shoots at him to make it look like Vlad shot an innocent teen.
This causes Vlad to go back on all of his changes for good PR.
The episode ends with Vlad telling Danny that it's not over and Sam praising Danny for sacrificing himself for a cause he believed in.

Laughing at this die hard white knighting.
>You can't compare NASB too Smash! Smash is casual!
And that's why Smash is a success while NASB is a joke.

>He can't refute what i said so he has to resort to petty insults
Thanks for admitting defeat NASBfag.

You said Smash and NASB aren't comparable and you gave Smash being casual as a reason.
How is this wrong?

Well then i apologies for the misunderstanding but at the same time i would also like to point out that my post can also work in the context of Smash's marketing towards casual players compared to NASB's marketing towards competitive players.

Dude, they got competitive players to narrate their spotlights.

No. But you'd be lying if you told me that they aren't trying to market their game for the competitive players.

Wow, you really are acting like a giant douchebag. And for what? Defending the honor of the dev team?
And to address what you said, you do know that corporate PR speak exists, right? You do know that no matter how big or small a dev team is they aren't immune to corporate PR speak, right?
Their actions don't even align with their words.

>What I'm seeing has been pissing me off. Me getting my points misconstrued again and again has been pissing me off too.
I'm not going to read the rest of your post because this is getting unhealthy for you.
If this is effecting your mood this much then i suggest not going into these threads if it bothers you this much.
I'm telling you this because i care. Go take a break and do something you enjoy.

Brawlhalla just has a natural appeal to it, I guess.

The difference with Kazuya and Terry is two things.
1. That's the gimmick of those characters, character gimmicks have been described by Sakurai in a lot of presentations.
2. Their showcases are much more than those inputs that don't last the entire video. They don't even last the entire time Sakurai presents the character.

Then what's with all of the competitive mumbo jumbo talk?

There's a lot of competitive lingo that's used in the spotlights. I don't even know half of what these people are talking about.

>Especially when the entire foundation of plat fighters is to be simpler from traditional fighting games to make casuals feel more welcome.
You should be telling that to the devs and all the competitive players trying to make the genre more competitive.

>Tell it to Sakurai too then for literally bringing FGC inputs in Smash with it getting even more complex with Kazuya
I agree with this.
>Competitive players deserve a place too, they shouldn't be shut out for playing a game in a way you might not agree with
I'm not saying competitive players should be shut out, i'm saying fighting games shouldn't cater only to them. I'm saying devs shouldn't focus so much on tournament play to cater only to them.
>The devs should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want too
You're right but at the same time people have the right to criticize them if they feel that whatever they want to do isn't going in a good direction.
>including new creative things isn't a big deal
I agree. It's best to stand out from the crowd, but at the same time i can't really applaud them for being new and creative when most of it is still just copying Smash with just a few competitive adjustments.
Even certain movesets and stages are Smash knockoffs.
>Casuals aren't babies they can handle a meter mechanic
Who the fuck is talking about the meter? No one here has even mentioned it.
We're talking about the game's marketing and how it will effect the its image.

>Which they AREN'T they literally aren't. What they announced alone shows that casuals aren't an afterthought.
Yeah they announced it but it isn't being used in the marketing. Why? Are they just going to wait a week before release to market the casual aspects?
>Their direction is perfectly fine.
Their direction is questionable at best.
Don't try to downplay or silence anyone pointing out how questionable it is.
>It's really not copying Smash. None of the movesets are knockoffs at most they share a single move or archetype, Smash didn't invent the archetypes.
Like people have said before El Tigre shares a lot of similarities to Wolf and that just one example.
There's also the similarities between Ran & Stimpy and Wario.
And i couldn't help but notice you cherry picking the moveset similarities while ignoring the stage and mechanic similarities i brought up.
>The marketing isn't negatively impacting anything. It's even creating more hype since they're showing in detail how competent the game's become.
Dude. No one is talking about the game.
Twitter doesn't give enough of a shit to talk about. YouTube videos that talk about it get low views. And even NASB threads on Ganker die early.
The Aang thread died with only 33 posts, the other Ren & Stimpy thread died with 26 posts.
The only threads to have had hundreds of posts are this one and the Ember threads.
This one getting so far because people are fighting over the game rather than actually talking about it and the Ember threads only got big due to randy.

>exclusive trailer planned for the single player stuff
Please let it be more Subspace Emissary and less World of Light, PLEASE

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THAT'S FUCKING SMASH BROS. Are you retarded? Not only that, Smash never got its entire roster of newcomers leaked this early and so apparent like NASB was busted open. Smash's discussion also eclipsed Multiversus in comparison of their peaks. Does that mean MVS was always a failure? No!

>NASB always had
*NASB 2 literally has another trailer planned for the single player stuff. It's in a schedule they have no reason to cover it now, it makes more sense to wait after some of their material's covered first aka showcases.

He didnt say otherwise.

Yes but the game calls it Crewmate.

It's faster to sprite a couple frames for an Assist than an entire moveset with the artstyle they have, and AFAIK their goal is to leave Early Access with 50 assists, 9 fighters + 1 DLC and 13 stages (casual and comp).

Having big faces like Amogus right now as an assist might interest those bigger indie games like your Cuphead or Hollow Knight or Undertale (if only) to take those 4 other fighter slots.

Devs want to keep working on Fray even far after EA, so the way I see it is that if they are in Fray as an assist they're as good as set to probably be a fighter in the future.

Their future depends almost entirely on what fighters they'll reveal for the base roster, its fucking crazy. I love the game so far and I do hope they can have a future once they leave EA but I can't deny it'll need several miracles to even have a chance.

Project harder, asshole. You do the exact same shit and use the few opinions that support your point to push a narrative about me or yourself.

You have actively used others to project and fuel your own ego, just like you are now.

>This feels like an elaborate "no u"
How I feel every time I read your counterpoints. All you do is claim irrelevant crap too.

Your posts are irrelevant AND make no sense. All you do is whine and make the most nonsensical assumptions about me and anyone else.

> for shit like Spongebob or Ren & Stimpy you have to get creative
Except they don't. They very often just have them go from iconic pose to iconic pose.

>Ganondorf
Here's another meme that needs to die. He's only "missing" tennis and floating. He is in a handful of games at most and before Melee he was in one. He's fucking fine.

Real characters or not the devs going out of their way to be memey and unpredictable just for the sake of it just makes this all look like one big joke.

>Unpredictable
They have become incredibly predictable.

>Lucy Loud was given vampire abilities, which suits her goth design even though I assume she isn't a vampire in the show. Though i'm only assuming that because I haven't watched TLH, so I might be wrong. But it seems like a slice of life show so the characters probably don't have superpowers.
Lucy also has ghost abilities too.
But yeah, Lucy is just a normal little girl. The show does get some supernatural elements later on and becomes more cartoony (Something everyone can agree to be a mistake and part of the reason why the show sucks now) but Lucy is just a normal girl into goth and supernatural stuff.
Also she talks to ghosts, but this is apart of that later on stuff i mentioned.

Nigel's is a whale leap and crash, not King Dedede's recovery it doesn't even function the same.

No shit, that's how gravity works. That's a surface level comparison. They don't function the same and Nigel's imitating real life whales. If it was copying Dedede's jump Nigel would have a similar pose, his splash would've sent out two stars/waves, and the rate of ascent would've been similar (it's not, the rising is noticeably slower)

Sure
Hey how's that game doing by the way?

Only because they were leaked.
>Ganondorf
Ganondorf is not fin3e. Even before Melee he has been using abilities such as powerful magic and swordsmanship that he doesn't do in Smash.

You do know that Ganondorf has used swords in OOT and has been described as being a master swordsman right?
And

That's literally the same difference.
Ganon and Ganondorf are the exact same guy.

They're literally the exact same character just different forms.

>The thing with NASB is that literally every single character has the Fox/Falcon effect.
>They're not characters you control directly in a video game so they don't have a predetermined movepool that you can draw from, which means tha
The only way you'd be able to believe this is if you never watched the Nicktoons and only know them on a surface level.
Not to mention all the Smash characters that were never controlled directly until Smash such as Zelda, Isabell, Bowser, Ridley, K. Rool, etc.
>Literally wrong.
Can you prove this?

And yet Multiversus can make better movesets.

When it comes to Shaggy only one of his moves is a meme, and it's just to power up.

Fair enough.

Don't try to move the goal post.
That Anon specifically said "They're not characters you control directly" and i provided examples of Smash doing the same thing.
In fact your post just prove my point even more as you detail the very reasons as to why i'm right.

>Not really, most of the cast has been in tons of games that have moves they could've borrowed for this game
I'm aware of that and I know you're aware of that, but likewise, those games were also designed by people not involved with the original shows who had to make up movesets for characters who didn't really fight.
If NASB drew from games that were already making shit up, then we would be making shit up on top of making shit up, and the degrees of separation from the source material would grow more drastic. Do you want Ludosity to base Spongebob on how he was portrayed in the show, or base him on how he was portrayed in some 15 year old shovelware game?

That's not true. The memes are also iconic scenes that rep the character well along with made up stuff that fit his all rounder status. If it was taken fullsale the execution would be different. Spongebob's new forward air would be more like his down air from NASB 1 animation-wise.

>the very popular internet memes of Spongebob blowing bubbles, using his hydrodynamic spatula, being a karate fanatic, his anchor arms and so on
You mean the spongebob that randomly slip and holds that for multiple frame, or does the "Imaginaaation" pose for MULTIPLE moves, or the one that randomly bites people.

>Which is literally what they did. Iconic TMNT moves are present in NASB.
And they were the best characters in the game, by leaps and bounds until they were nerfed multiple times into near uselessness.

It's almost as if having movesets that compliment gameplay is infinitely better than shallow references stapled together.

Leonardo was one of the most boring fucker to play in the game.
>Marth but doesn't die until 200% and doesn't need to tipper
The best designed movesets in the original game was Lucy followed by Zim. Not counting the screw-up on his Neutral Strong
Both were fun- Zim as the defensive keep-away one and Lucy as the more aggressive one. And they weren't boring like Leo.
Mikey was a more fun moveset(and it was partly because he was sillier, at that) but always had some sort of nonsense glitch/exploit or other thing going on.

Because they literally are, no matter how you slice it or cope, they have no legacy outside of being shovelware. It makes no sense for NASB to heavily tap into that for a movepool. The actual source material deserves priority.

I don't hate them. It's a fact that they're shovelware and make no sense as primary representation in a fanservice based game. Prioritizing the games over source material is retarded.

Cause the old Konami games are actually good

The Konami games aren't shovelware, they're widely iconic and have more influence than any Nicktoons video game slop.

If anything DK is way too fucking small in DKC, but it's excusable for gameplay purposes.

Not really, he's barely any bigger than Diddy who's a way smaller species compared to a gorilla. Granted we don't know WHAT species but presumably a smaller one due to him having a tail.

Yeah it's much better in Smash and in the Retro DK games. Also I just realized that by "retro" you meant the developer and not "the old DK games"

How does that prove the point? He rolls, he can walk with items, he's fucking Donkey Kong. That's one of the worst examples you could've chosen because it doesn't take a lot for him to feel faithful.

This is, what? The third time you mentioned this BS in these threads?