New MAME Box

I found one of these bad boys at Goodwill for 10 bucks. What's the best way to set it up for MAME and other arcade emulator use specifically and what are my options for connecting to a CRT display besides using a DVI to VGA adapter?

MAME/emulation general too I guess.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stick a GEForce card in it. One of the lads will tell you the right one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >DELL 256MB PC Video Graphic Card Low Profile 0N751G V155 Ver 1.0

      Found it on eBay for ten bucks. Would this do the trick? Or would it have a negative performance impact?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >DELL 256MB PC Video Graphic Card Low Profile 0N751G V155 Ver 1.0

      Found it on eBay for ten bucks. Would this do the trick? Or would it have a negative performance impact?

      The integrated GPU would work better than that shit. Emulators are 100% CPU bound, you don't need a GPU for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, specially if you're using a CRT TV at native resolution, no need for shaders either.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I reckoned a cheap desktop PC made the most sense for my arcade fix since MISTer is still very expensive and limited to specific boards, OG Xbox struggles to maintain smooth performance with mid-90's and later games in MAME especially 3D, MAME on Wii sucks, and Raspberry Pi's are underpowered and overpriced. As long as I find a good way to connect this to an analog video signal I feel like it'll be a badass little emulation system but I only plan to emulate arcade games and more obscure hardware with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OG Xbox
      You need a powerful CPU like intel 12600K man. It's got an integrated GPU so it's not too expensive. This build could be $60 cheaper if you live near a microcenter. Older CPUs suck for high end emulation.

      https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJRBBL
      CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($175.72 @ Amazon)
      CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler ($21.99 @ Amazon)
      Motherboard: ASRock Z690M Phantom Gaming 4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
      Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($29.97 @ Amazon)
      Storage: Patriot Burst Elite 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($18.98 @ Amazon)
      Case: SAMA Sama-S88-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($41.97 @ Newegg)
      Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
      Total: $438.61

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have no intention of emulating anything beyond early/mid-00's arcade games so I don't need that kind of power. I got this thing for only ten bucks and it has an I7 4770 so it should be adequate for older MAME stuff I can use my main build for newer things that don't run well.

        This, specially if you're using a CRT TV at native resolution, no need for shaders either.

        I just want a convenient way to connect it to a CRT display while mitigating input lag so HDMI-to-RCA converters aren't ideal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I just want a convenient way to connect it to a CRT display while mitigating input lag so HDMI-to-RCA converters aren't ideal.
          Yeah, you'd need something like

          If it has an Intel iGPU with DP or VGA output, you can either do DP to VGA to RGB SCART or straight VGA to RGB SCART with a MiSTer VGA to SCART cable or VGA2SCART adapter or just DIY your own cable if you want RGB with a 15kHz CRT TV. Rest is done in software, either modelines in Linux or CRU in Windows.

          If you're in the US, you might have to do RGB to YPbPr component transcoding or a RGB mod on your CRT TV though, easier with European consumer sets that support RGB SCART input natively.

          or

          Sounds like you're trying to achieve the same thing I am in using MAME in a old discarded small form factor computing item. The method I've concluded on trying is the ArcadeVGA cards which output to lower resolutions that works for old CRTs. Some here have suggested trying out CRT EmuDriver instead, which should allow for the Chinese graphics card to do the same, but that's unconfirmed.

          Those cheap converters are crap and many older cards with native composite or s-video output like

          >DELL 256MB PC Video Graphic Card Low Profile 0N751G V155 Ver 1.0

          Found it on eBay for ten bucks. Would this do the trick? Or would it have a negative performance impact?

          have DACs that only do 480i, period

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like you're trying to achieve the same thing I am in using MAME in a old discarded small form factor computing item. The method I've concluded on trying is the ArcadeVGA cards which output to lower resolutions that works for old CRTs. Some here have suggested trying out CRT EmuDriver instead, which should allow for the Chinese graphics card to do the same, but that's unconfirmed.

            That sounds like the most sensible option, I was thinking I'd more likely use my VGA monitor in this case than my TV anyway and it's got an HD 8490 which appears to be compatible with a CRTemu driver. I appreciate the tips.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              With a VGA monitor, games that use 15kHz progressive modes, like 224p to 256p, you'll have to either use double of the arcades native refresh rate, i.e. 60Hz game and run your monitor at 120Hz and then use BFI to mitigate ghosting/double images or run at double at vertical resolution, i.e. 240p game at 480p and at native arcades refresh rate, i.e. 60Hz and use a shader to mimick the lower resolution, like simply blaking out every odd or even line. Many arcades and games use different resolutions and refresh rates, so you have to set them up and use something like GroovyMAME or RetroArch that automatically switches resolution and refresh rate.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If it is an old VGA monitor, then the DVI to VGA should suffice with the proper drivers and settings. There's no need for any extra steps nor hardware. I thought you meant 15khz displays, but those VGA monitors are 31khz already.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >while mitigating input lag so HDMI-to-RCA converters aren't ideal.
          You might be surprised by this, but any more those adapters are all ASICs and are in real world terms "real time" with basically zero latency. Even the cheap $5 ones. Its not like the old shitty adapters back in the 00s.
          They're so good anymore, that if you want to output to VGA on a Mister, its actually recommended to plug one of those HDMI -> VGA adapters in rather then using the VGA port on the expansion board.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HDMI to VGA, sure, those are proper DACs, pretty much identical to late VGA ports of GPUs, hence why HDMI and DP to VGA gets recommended for 15kHz RGB too. But those cheap HDMI to composite adapters are cancer, hard locked to 480i, etc.
            Pic related.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, I misread and jumped the gun. Should have noticed you were aiming for composite.
              Yeah, thats a whole other beast. You could always get an old(er) motherboard from around the Haswell era that can take PCI cards and slam in a GeForce FX/6/7 series card that has native S-Video/Composite. Getting a cheap i7 4700 would be plenty enough processing power for the vast majority of MAME games, basically everything 2d would be covered easily.
              Its what I did in a MAME arcade setup of mine.
              The only drawback is drivers. You're basically going to be running either Windows 7, which is fine since this isn't a PC thats going online or doing anything desktop related, its just an appliance for MAME. Or you're running Linux.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and slam in a GeForce FX/6/7 series card that has native S-Video/Composite.
                Majority of cards are bad for /vr/ using that method.

                See

                >I just want a convenient way to connect it to a CRT display while mitigating input lag so HDMI-to-RCA converters aren't ideal.
                Yeah, you'd need something like [...] or [...]

                Those cheap converters are crap and many older cards with native composite or s-video output like [...] have DACs that only do 480i, period

                >many older cards with native composite or s-video output like

                >DELL 256MB PC Video Graphic Card Low Profile 0N751G V155 Ver 1.0

                Found it on eBay for ten bucks. Would this do the trick? Or would it have a negative performance impact? have DACs that only do 480i, period
                Not all but most. Research would be required beforehand.
                If composite is the goal, RGB to composite cable would be the best bet, you can build a passive one with only a few components. Then use the HDMI/DP to VGA, a semi-new GPU with VGA out that supports 15kHz or old Radeon GPU with CRTemudriver method.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I just want a convenient way to connect it to a CRT display while mitigating input lag so HDMI-to-RCA converters aren't ideal.
                Yeah, you'd need something like [...] or [...]

                Those cheap converters are crap and many older cards with native composite or s-video output like [...] have DACs that only do 480i, period

                Perhaps I've gotten lucky but I've NEVER ran in to a card that only did 480i, and I've owned about 5 FX series cards over the years. Even the new manufacture FX5700 PCI card I bought on AliExpress about 4 years back does 480p no issues.

                That said, doing the HDMI/DP -> VGA -> Composite is generally the more reasonable thing to do.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                480p isn't the problem, 240p is, if you want to use a CRT TV. You can't even get proper 480i, since the adapter does the interlacing, even if you try to manually add a 480i mode, it still goes interlaced > progressive > interlaced, etc. You want as close to 1:1 as possible, like the VGA outputting native 15kHz RGB, no converters or transcoders needed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >RGB to composite cable would be the best bet, you can build a passive one with only a few components
                I swear to god I heard less bullshit misinfo about vidya at a lunch table in middle school than on /vr/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                keene electronics makes an rgb to s-videocomposite adapter
                it needs power and is rare to find
                i enjoy the FRICK out of mine though
                any arcade pcb is on my consumer crt lagless

                good luck homosexuals

                this looks like a fire-hazard
                nice job though i am still working on a pc build

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks, just a work in progress.
                I did finish the cable, with sound, looking for a nice VCR style case for the computer itself.

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                Anonymous

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                Anonymous

                https://files.catbox.moe/z7w9ml.mp4

                P cool anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this looks like a fire-hazard
                I don't even know if I made it better or worse. Didn't find a nice horizontal case that would have had a fitting hi-fi or VCR like appearance or be minimalistic, so I was bored and did a DIY job... out of wood.

                Going to lower the platform of the table so it fits better under the TV. Boots straight into RetroArch, so all you need is the controller, pressing the power button powers it off.
                Also has WiFi, so I can watch 480i/576i content with RetroArch from my network and transfer new games remotely to the machine if needed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah sorry, it was late, I meant *ACTIVE*, not passive. Composite encoder chips are plentiful these days and pretty good quality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I reckoned a cheap desktop PC made the most sense for my arcade fix since MISTer is still very expensive and limited to specific boards, OG Xbox struggles to maintain smooth performance with mid-90's and later games in MAME especially 3D, MAME on Wii sucks, and Raspberry Pi's are underpowered and overpriced.
      There's only two things that matter when it comes to MAME. Having an Intel CPU, and how fast your single-core speed is. If the single-core CPU speed of your machine is faster than a Rasp Pi, then you'll notice better performance. If you have some AMD CPU clocked at under 2Ghz per core, then the Rasp Pi 4 was probably a better choice.

      Stick a GEForce card in it. One of the lads will tell you the right one.

      >DELL 256MB PC Video Graphic Card Low Profile 0N751G V155 Ver 1.0

      Found it on eBay for ten bucks. Would this do the trick? Or would it have a negative performance impact?

      It will have zero impact on MAME's ability to emulate. I emulated MAME for ages with Intel integrated graphics on my old Core2Duo computer, then got a GeForce card. Other games ran much better, but nothing changed on the MAME side. The only reason to care about what GPU you use is if you are planning on outputting to a CRT monitor and you need specific refresh rates. But if you are doing that, you should probably be using GroovyMAME as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ryzen has best single core performance right now though

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As an advertised number, yes. Take a Ryzen and whatever the current Intel shit is, both at the exact same clock speed, and MAME still still perform better on the Intel chip. IIRC, the explanation I heard as to why this is, is because the AMD CPU's are geared towards gaming tasks, while the Intel CPU's are geared towards generic computation tasks. And MAME is almost all generic computation tasks, so the Intel chips pull ahead.
          I'm using a Ryzen myself since it's more than enough firepower for the MAME stuff I wanna emulate. But if someone was building a MAME-specific computer, then aiming for an Intel CPU with the fastest possible single-core speed will be their best bet.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it has an Intel iGPU with DP or VGA output, you can either do DP to VGA to RGB SCART or straight VGA to RGB SCART with a MiSTer VGA to SCART cable or VGA2SCART adapter or just DIY your own cable if you want RGB with a 15kHz CRT TV. Rest is done in software, either modelines in Linux or CRU in Windows.

    If you're in the US, you might have to do RGB to YPbPr component transcoding or a RGB mod on your CRT TV though, easier with European consumer sets that support RGB SCART input natively.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Simple proof of concept I tested right now, usually I've used DP to VGA adapters, but this is straight onboard VGA from the iGPU.

      Integrated Intel HD 4600 graphics, quick and dirty VGA to SCART RGB cable, sync just joined with resistors, using CRU and Intel Graphics Control Panel, outputting pure 240p/60Hz.
      I need to work on the timings a little, the image is shifted to the left too much. Also haven't done any service menu calibrations to the Trinitron.

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  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Welp, I have an old ass i3 notebook with an onboard HD510 in it that I use for emulation on my CRT
    I basically just torrent Fightcade 2 with the whole romset for it (I think it's 40gb or something) and there I go, all set

    >But I said MAME
    I get it, just pointing out you can do what I did too

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like you're trying to achieve the same thing I am in using MAME in a old discarded small form factor computing item. The method I've concluded on trying is the ArcadeVGA cards which output to lower resolutions that works for old CRTs. Some here have suggested trying out CRT EmuDriver instead, which should allow for the Chinese graphics card to do the same, but that's unconfirmed.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now that I know what input and video config software I'm going to use will likely be, what would be my best choice of operating system? I'm thinking Windows 10 LTSC but is there a way to install it without the activation watermark being on the desktop all the time or would Windows 7 or a specific Linux distro make more sense?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
      Enjoy.

      Linux could be more lightweight but harder to configure if you're not familiar with it. Windows 7 or 10 would be easier to set-up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks anon. I've had trouble getting LTSC to activate in the past might have to avoid the evaluation version but I'll give this a shot later.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the best way to set it up for MAME and other arcade emulator use specifically
    install MAME, play it? :

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Amazing a machine like that doesn't have VGA out by default

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What CPU does it have?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask or I need to make one, but does anyone know what the best option is to have a mini arcade setup at home? I can get MAME on my pc just fine, but I want a cabinet or something for a bit more of an authentic feel. I was looking at arcade1up, but apparently you need to do a full mod ie. Strip out the internals and put in a new pcb which is like another $200 on top of an already expensive cabinet. I've also been looking at counter top units, but most likely the Taito are just single player and the others are insanely expensive now due to limited production like Pic rel.

    Unfortunately I'm not savvy enough to learn woodwork and build my own cabinet either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i built a few converted 1up to jamma
      i cant say i recommend it bc the screens
      some are bad, some are ok, some are good

      hylo and mvsx gets a lot of mileage but u cant really tweak on it or add games

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So I guess the only option is to build your own? Otherwise everything else is hitting absurd prices like $1k+ or is chinkshit which I don't trust.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >build ur own
          >cheap craigslist furniture/desk
          >free 27"+ crt
          >two nice sticks
          wow thats all u need
          building a cabinet is fun but
          it is a moneypit and there is always trouble in arcadeland
          esp if you go down the jamma pcb rabbithole

          shitroarch will run on bigblue and Ki
          possibly others but i dont follow the scene anymore post-jamma hardware and custom db15 wireharnesses to my superguns

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I found one of these bad boys at Goodwill for 10 bucks.
    Make for great and cheap emulation machines. As long as it's Intel 4th gen or better, go for it.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finally got to my dad's to pick it up. Gonna tinker around with it later and post results if all goes well.

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