I think the game is worth buying, however I don't think the online features are that noteworthy, so if that's the only thing affecting your decision then you should probably pirate.
You can. You can also PVP if you wish. You can summon npc controlled versions of other peoples characters to either fight or fight along side you.
You can summon player controlled character to PVE your way through missions in two ways. From start to finished with a shared Revive bar. Or summon them mid mission in which if they die they unsummon.
The full mission type of PVE is the most beneficial as both players gain full benefits and both players can open chests, Find Kodama, and shit.
If that tickles your fancy than sure buy it. It's honestly a long and dense game even without online.
No, pvp is always garbage in soulsclones, and you can only co op with people who have already beat the mission you're on, thus trivializing it, and making it impossible to experience the game with a friend.
>and you can only co op with people who have already beat the mission you're on,
Straight up wrong. You can go the entire game co-oping with at least one other person. And you neither of you required to have beaten the stage.
Personally I would say it's infinitely worth buying regardless, but also personally I would say the online features would also be worth it because not only can the co-op modes be fun as there's a special one that updates the enemy placements but you can also set it up to play that solo which is the best way of playing the game and in a way doubles the number of difficulties.
I just started this game and I have questions >How important are the starting weapon bonuses >Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end? >Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
They're not. >Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
Can change it by the second or third level I think. >Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
Not as broke but yeah
That's quite a difficult weapon to get into if you're not used to changing stances mid combo and you need a LOT of stamina to really see the benefits of it.
Likewise, I wouldn't use the fists until much much later as that heavily relies on having a ton of stamina.
Every weapon is extremely strong and full of depth and options, therefore again you're best using the ones you like and dabbling in all of them to find out how much you enjoy each one.
i love the idea of using this weapon but it just doesn't feel right, is it just me?
It can take a moment to get used to due to it having high recovery and extreme range/speed differences on its attacks, but when you get used to using it fluidly it feels great and has a lot of cool mobility
Only if you choose to do so which is neglecting a massive portion of the weapon's options and capabilities on top of neglecting your potential to enjoy the game.
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>neglecting a massive portion of the weapon's options
all of which are worse than simply spamming moonlit snow redux as much as possible
I like odachi's moveset, but there is no reason to use any of it for damage once you have MSR available or are pushing underworld
ki breaking sure you can frick around a little bit I guess, but everything about the weapon builds down to slamming msrs into the ass of broken yokai.
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That's just incorrect though.
>I don't understand how this perception got so far
beacause its a clunky and wierd piece of shit to start with in nioh 2, it's pretty simple bro people tried it out cause it looked cool then went >....the frick? no thanks
and then put it away for a sword or stick
It plays exactly the same as it did in Nioh 1 base moveset-wise and got the least amount of changes overall going from 1 to 2 of all weapons. People "tried it out" in the first game and raved about how things keeled over to high quick attack spam and that hasn't particularly changed here.
That's quite a difficult weapon to get into if you're not used to changing stances mid combo and you need a LOT of stamina to really see the benefits of it.
Likewise, I wouldn't use the fists until much much later as that heavily relies on having a ton of stamina.
Tonfas are easy mode.
not important
yes you can change very soon
onmyo is broken, sloth talismans in particular trivialize the game since it slows down enemy animation speed, try it out then ditch it if everything feels too easy with it on, purification talismans are sort of a must though
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switchglaive? it's quite good, but all of the weapons barring perhaps the splitstaff and spear are decent right off the bat, def try out a bunch of different things to see what you like, they are very different and you are sure to find something you enjoy using fast
tonfas are probably one of the best weapons out of the gate along with odachi if you like two handers
the chain hook weapon is pretty much useless starting out though, I'd avoid it until you have stats to move around
>not at all, you will find tons of weapons as you go to make it easy to swap between and dump everything else into resources, and stat scaling for weapons is extremely minimal and therefore best ignored in favour of just using the weapons you like and learning all of them, if you have it on PC or I think the Deluxe edition on console then pick splitstaff and fists because going to Boons at a shrine will start you off with all the other weapon types and you can test them out further at the dojo if you wish >Yokai Shift form and Burst Counter is based on your current Guardian Spirit, and you get all the ones from the start eventually along with many others, if you haven't picked yet I would suggest the shark as a nice starting pick >both Onmyo and Ninjutsu are still very powerful and useful and offered to everyone, though Sloth is much weaker now
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
They are effectively 3 levels worth of stats. >Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
Form is tied to guardian Spirits and you are not locked out of any one spirit in the game. >Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
It's toned down a but but everything is broken if you build it right. No clue why a primarily PVE game would go out of it's way to make playing it less fun.
Every weapon is extremely strong and full of depth and options, therefore again you're best using the ones you like and dabbling in all of them to find out how much you enjoy each one.
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It can take a moment to get used to due to it having high recovery and extreme range/speed differences on its attacks, but when you get used to using it fluidly it feels great and has a lot of cool mobility
Looks like I'll stick with the spear and frick around with the switch glaive. I messed around with the dual swords last game and I wasn't too interested in the long run. I'll go a spear-onmyo build
Which yokai shift is the most fun?
The most responsive yokai shift is the one that dashes for it's counter. Since it can activate it's counter on contact with the yokai using it's red attack instead of either waiting to get hit or landing a slow as all frick melee attack.
Feral has to "wait" just as long as Phantom does, it requires the enemy to hit where it dodges through as shown by the afterimages like how Phantom has to time the shield with the attack hitting. Once you have two though it's a pretty easy choice to have one as Brute and the other either Feral or Phantom, to cover all bases.
>Which yokai shift is the most fun?
they're all pretty different so I'd say mess around with each of them for a good while until you understand their mechanics. Go back to the tutorial area and re-play the YS tutorials so you can just frick around with their movesets until you understand them better and decide from there.
Just know that unlike LW in 1, YS is much more focused on ability use rather than basic attack combos.
Just like every build can make use of every weapon comfortably, every build gets full easy access to both Ninjutsu and Onmyo, as getting to 30 Magic and Dex is simple and you get free skill points. All three Yokai Shifts are fun to use while focusing in different areas (analogous to stances actually), I say pick the shark for Phantom because you get the other two sooner and more importantly its Burst Counter is the most approachable as its purely based on timing and has fast recovery.
not important
yes you can change very soon
onmyo is broken, sloth talismans in particular trivialize the game since it slows down enemy animation speed, try it out then ditch it if everything feels too easy with it on, purification talismans are sort of a must though
How strong is that magic +1 weapon that has like 3 different forms?
switchglaive? it's quite good, but all of the weapons barring perhaps the splitstaff and spear are decent right off the bat, def try out a bunch of different things to see what you like, they are very different and you are sure to find something you enjoy using fast
tonfas are probably one of the best weapons out of the gate along with odachi if you like two handers
the chain hook weapon is pretty much useless starting out though, I'd avoid it until you have stats to move around
Kusarigama is not useless at all starting out, in fact it was widely considered the "easy mode" weapon in Nioh 1 because of its base moveset and all the weapons are at least solid starting off while getting most of their main utility skills very early on. I don't understand how this perception got so far when the weapon is ultimately untouched.
>I don't understand how this perception got so far
beacause its a clunky and wierd piece of shit to start with in nioh 2, it's pretty simple bro people tried it out cause it looked cool then went >....the frick? no thanks
and then put it away for a sword or stick
>not at all, you will find tons of weapons as you go to make it easy to swap between and dump everything else into resources, and stat scaling for weapons is extremely minimal and therefore best ignored in favour of just using the weapons you like and learning all of them, if you have it on PC or I think the Deluxe edition on console then pick splitstaff and fists because going to Boons at a shrine will start you off with all the other weapon types and you can test them out further at the dojo if you wish >Yokai Shift form and Burst Counter is based on your current Guardian Spirit, and you get all the ones from the start eventually along with many others, if you haven't picked yet I would suggest the shark as a nice starting pick >both Onmyo and Ninjutsu are still very powerful and useful and offered to everyone, though Sloth is much weaker now
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
They are effectively 3 levels worth of stats. >Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
Form is tied to guardian Spirits and you are not locked out of any one spirit in the game. >Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
It's toned down a but but everything is broken if you build it right. No clue why a primarily PVE game would go out of it's way to make playing it less fun.
No. It just makes it easier to loot the pleb armor sets somewhat earlier. But iirc the drops are hardwired to be mid RNG shit. If you want the good stuff or smithing scrolls you're gonna have to grind anyway.
Kusarigama is definitely a weapon that takes some getting used to compared to most of the others, but it's my favorite and you can absolutely wreck shit with it once you learn to use it. That being said, every weapon type in the game plays well if you take the time to learn it so don't feel bound to any particular weapon. There is a high learning curve on the kusi as each stance plays very differently. If you're planning on playing with it, I'd suggest just using heavy stance to start off until you feel like you have a good feeling for the moveset before you try switching to mid or low stance. My first character to get through every difficulty mode used kusarigama and specialized in ninjutsu and poison weapons, and try to find a kusarigama that inflicts poison. If you go that route, try to get as many pieces of +% damage against poisoned enemies and get used to throwing a lot of shuriken/kunai at enemies to build up your ninjutsu skill points, the build really shines with poison shuriken to inflict the bonus damage against poison enemies with your gear.
Also don't worry too much about having perfect gear or anything your first time through the game as it's not as important as it becomes on later difficulty levels.
nioh 2 isn't really a soulsborne, it's an action rpg with selectable levels that happen to be quite expansive
My number 1 tip for new players is LEARN HOW TO BURST COUNTER, otherwise the game will suck real bad. Don't ignore this mechanic, it's crucial to master it to enjoy the game.
ki pulse is another tech which should be learned sooner or later. let´s you unlock the full potential of the game.
if you start to switch weapons and/or stances in between you´re set.
Honestly Sacrifice all the dupes of the souls you don't give a frick about. You will probably gravitate to like 6 souls at best. And everything else is pretty much EXP fodder.
Fuse them until you have each one at max rank, then fuse that rank to the highest level one and get rid of the rest. Store all your Mortal Soul Cores and I'd recommend keeping any that have Yokai Ability Ki Pulse, it's really good.
Don't listen to these gays. Online features are decent if you are into coop. Also late game(depths) is pretty hard and you may want your ass get carried at some point so you can find people from steam forums to help you out.
I think the game is worth buying, however I don't think the online features are that noteworthy, so if that's the only thing affecting your decision then you should probably pirate.
can you just play online with other people?
You can. You can also PVP if you wish. You can summon npc controlled versions of other peoples characters to either fight or fight along side you.
You can summon player controlled character to PVE your way through missions in two ways. From start to finished with a shared Revive bar. Or summon them mid mission in which if they die they unsummon.
The full mission type of PVE is the most beneficial as both players gain full benefits and both players can open chests, Find Kodama, and shit.
If that tickles your fancy than sure buy it. It's honestly a long and dense game even without online.
No, unless you're a shitter who needs to be carried.
No game is worth money.
No, pvp is always garbage in soulsclones, and you can only co op with people who have already beat the mission you're on, thus trivializing it, and making it impossible to experience the game with a friend.
>you can only co op with people who have already beat the mission you're on
that's not how expeditions work
>and you can only co op with people who have already beat the mission you're on,
Straight up wrong. You can go the entire game co-oping with at least one other person. And you neither of you required to have beaten the stage.
Not really, but fighting revenants are fun.
Personally I would say it's infinitely worth buying regardless, but also personally I would say the online features would also be worth it because not only can the co-op modes be fun as there's a special one that updates the enemy placements but you can also set it up to play that solo which is the best way of playing the game and in a way doubles the number of difficulties.
You should buy it to support the devs and the industry
I just started this game and I have questions
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
>Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
>Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
They're not.
>Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
Can change it by the second or third level I think.
>Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
Not as broke but yeah
How strong is that magic +1 weapon that has like 3 different forms?
That's quite a difficult weapon to get into if you're not used to changing stances mid combo and you need a LOT of stamina to really see the benefits of it.
Likewise, I wouldn't use the fists until much much later as that heavily relies on having a ton of stamina.
Tonfas are easy mode.
Every weapon is extremely strong and full of depth and options, therefore again you're best using the ones you like and dabbling in all of them to find out how much you enjoy each one.
It can take a moment to get used to due to it having high recovery and extreme range/speed differences on its attacks, but when you get used to using it fluidly it feels great and has a lot of cool mobility
>Every weapon is extremely strong and full of depth and options
except odachi, which is a 1 trick pony with moonlit snow/redux
Only if you choose to do so which is neglecting a massive portion of the weapon's options and capabilities on top of neglecting your potential to enjoy the game.
>neglecting a massive portion of the weapon's options
all of which are worse than simply spamming moonlit snow redux as much as possible
I like odachi's moveset, but there is no reason to use any of it for damage once you have MSR available or are pushing underworld
ki breaking sure you can frick around a little bit I guess, but everything about the weapon builds down to slamming msrs into the ass of broken yokai.
That's just incorrect though.
It plays exactly the same as it did in Nioh 1 base moveset-wise and got the least amount of changes overall going from 1 to 2 of all weapons. People "tried it out" in the first game and raved about how things keeled over to high quick attack spam and that hasn't particularly changed here.
Looks like I'll stick with the spear and frick around with the switch glaive. I messed around with the dual swords last game and I wasn't too interested in the long run. I'll go a spear-onmyo build
Which yokai shift is the most fun?
Solid picks. I normally Odachi Fists. Maybe 1kat Tonfa.
The most responsive yokai shift is the one that dashes for it's counter. Since it can activate it's counter on contact with the yokai using it's red attack instead of either waiting to get hit or landing a slow as all frick melee attack.
Feral has to "wait" just as long as Phantom does, it requires the enemy to hit where it dodges through as shown by the afterimages like how Phantom has to time the shield with the attack hitting. Once you have two though it's a pretty easy choice to have one as Brute and the other either Feral or Phantom, to cover all bases.
>Which yokai shift is the most fun?
they're all pretty different so I'd say mess around with each of them for a good while until you understand their mechanics. Go back to the tutorial area and re-play the YS tutorials so you can just frick around with their movesets until you understand them better and decide from there.
Just know that unlike LW in 1, YS is much more focused on ability use rather than basic attack combos.
Just like every build can make use of every weapon comfortably, every build gets full easy access to both Ninjutsu and Onmyo, as getting to 30 Magic and Dex is simple and you get free skill points. All three Yokai Shifts are fun to use while focusing in different areas (analogous to stances actually), I say pick the shark for Phantom because you get the other two sooner and more importantly its Burst Counter is the most approachable as its purely based on timing and has fast recovery.
not important
yes you can change very soon
onmyo is broken, sloth talismans in particular trivialize the game since it slows down enemy animation speed, try it out then ditch it if everything feels too easy with it on, purification talismans are sort of a must though
switchglaive? it's quite good, but all of the weapons barring perhaps the splitstaff and spear are decent right off the bat, def try out a bunch of different things to see what you like, they are very different and you are sure to find something you enjoy using fast
tonfas are probably one of the best weapons out of the gate along with odachi if you like two handers
the chain hook weapon is pretty much useless starting out though, I'd avoid it until you have stats to move around
Kusarigama is not useless at all starting out, in fact it was widely considered the "easy mode" weapon in Nioh 1 because of its base moveset and all the weapons are at least solid starting off while getting most of their main utility skills very early on. I don't understand how this perception got so far when the weapon is ultimately untouched.
>I don't understand how this perception got so far
beacause its a clunky and wierd piece of shit to start with in nioh 2, it's pretty simple bro people tried it out cause it looked cool then went
>....the frick? no thanks
and then put it away for a sword or stick
>not at all, you will find tons of weapons as you go to make it easy to swap between and dump everything else into resources, and stat scaling for weapons is extremely minimal and therefore best ignored in favour of just using the weapons you like and learning all of them, if you have it on PC or I think the Deluxe edition on console then pick splitstaff and fists because going to Boons at a shrine will start you off with all the other weapon types and you can test them out further at the dojo if you wish
>Yokai Shift form and Burst Counter is based on your current Guardian Spirit, and you get all the ones from the start eventually along with many others, if you haven't picked yet I would suggest the shark as a nice starting pick
>both Onmyo and Ninjutsu are still very powerful and useful and offered to everyone, though Sloth is much weaker now
>How important are the starting weapon bonuses
They are effectively 3 levels worth of stats.
>Can I change my Devil Trigger form later or am I using the one I pick at the start until the end?
Form is tied to guardian Spirits and you are not locked out of any one spirit in the game.
>Is onmyo shit as broken as it was in Nioh 1?
It's toned down a but but everything is broken if you build it right. No clue why a primarily PVE game would go out of it's way to make playing it less fun.
I've never played coop but fighting other people's shadows is alright
No. It just makes it easier to loot the pleb armor sets somewhat earlier. But iirc the drops are hardwired to be mid RNG shit. If you want the good stuff or smithing scrolls you're gonna have to grind anyway.
i love the idea of using this weapon but it just doesn't feel right, is it just me?
they its not just you, they are goofy
Kusarigama is definitely a weapon that takes some getting used to compared to most of the others, but it's my favorite and you can absolutely wreck shit with it once you learn to use it. That being said, every weapon type in the game plays well if you take the time to learn it so don't feel bound to any particular weapon. There is a high learning curve on the kusi as each stance plays very differently. If you're planning on playing with it, I'd suggest just using heavy stance to start off until you feel like you have a good feeling for the moveset before you try switching to mid or low stance. My first character to get through every difficulty mode used kusarigama and specialized in ninjutsu and poison weapons, and try to find a kusarigama that inflicts poison. If you go that route, try to get as many pieces of +% damage against poisoned enemies and get used to throwing a lot of shuriken/kunai at enemies to build up your ninjutsu skill points, the build really shines with poison shuriken to inflict the bonus damage against poison enemies with your gear.
Also don't worry too much about having perfect gear or anything your first time through the game as it's not as important as it becomes on later difficulty levels.
nioh 2 isn't really a soulsborne, it's an action rpg with selectable levels that happen to be quite expansive
My number 1 tip for new players is LEARN HOW TO BURST COUNTER, otherwise the game will suck real bad. Don't ignore this mechanic, it's crucial to master it to enjoy the game.
It's a souls like cus it has souls
ki pulse is another tech which should be learned sooner or later. let´s you unlock the full potential of the game.
if you start to switch weapons and/or stances in between you´re set.
theres no pvp so not really but its convenient to beat the shit out of shades of others who have gear you need
Coop can be fun as frick as long as you don't get some afk homosexual.
anyways you don't need to metagay at all for your first playthrough, just fine a weapon you like and mess around with the different stances
Buy it. Mp is great, coop, summons, pvp etc
What do I do with duplicate soul cores on a first run? Merge them or sacrifice them?
Honestly Sacrifice all the dupes of the souls you don't give a frick about. You will probably gravitate to like 6 souls at best. And everything else is pretty much EXP fodder.
Fuse them until you have each one at max rank, then fuse that rank to the highest level one and get rid of the rest. Store all your Mortal Soul Cores and I'd recommend keeping any that have Yokai Ability Ki Pulse, it's really good.
No.
Don't listen to these gays. Online features are decent if you are into coop. Also late game(depths) is pretty hard and you may want your ass get carried at some point so you can find people from steam forums to help you out.