Wizards really hired a language specialist to make up some bullshit language for Magic the Gathering just for me to ignore it completely while I'm beating (man)children in a tournament to win a booster pack.
You got drafted into it, moron. You're one of the cards, not one of the players, meta brought back some old keywords and introduced new ones. Adapt or die, WAACgay.
I know it's correct but as an ESL i loathe "they/them" as pronoun for both singular and plural on daily usage. Feels like it goes against the principle of language where the god damn point is to be as clear and direct as possible.
Honestly, yeah. Specially with american english. Not to throw a jab at america per se, but many people write in a way that legit confuse me and makes me go back to check if that's correct or not.
My excuse is that english is my third language, what's theirs?
That American English is the product of dozens of different ethic groups and languages mixing together in a generally chaotic way and being a language that covers an absolutely huge area and population, leading to all sorts of mixed up rules and regional variations.
>My excuse is that english is my third language, what's theirs?
That it's not confusing to them or their average audience of American English readers? American English isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel for English, you have to go digging around in the Carribean for that. But even the pidgin speakers who sound and read like unintelligible gobbledyasiatic to everyone else can still understand each other just fine.
Shakespeare was known to use singular They - he was a wildcard with language ofc, and formal language rules were much less a thing at the time (things only got really prescriptive much later), but if its good enough for the Bard...
>There's not a man I meet but doth salute me >As if I were their well-acquainted friend
A Comedy of Errors, Act IV, Scene 3:
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Things never got prescriptive in English and never will. "Experts" have never successfully controlled what is correct in English, they can only identify what is being used by its speakers and then define correct based on that. When people use the language differently, what is correct changes with them.
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>There's not a man I meet but doth salute me >As if I were their well-acquainted friend
Comedy of Errors, act 4, scene 3. From the Bard himself
>one use ever
Not convinced. Give me 100 more examples, all from different writers and years.
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>There's not a man I meet but doth salute me >As if I were their well-acquainted friend
Comedy of Errors, act 4, scene 3. From the Bard himself
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>Had the Doctor been contented to take my dining tables as any body in their senses would have done
Mansfield Park, 1814, chapter 23.
https://austen.thefreelibrary.com/Mansfield-Park/1-23
As an EFL, they/them for singular never bothers me grammatically because it sounds fine and all but whenever I hear someone use it when referring to a person that they should know the gender of, my mind starts firing on all cylinders trying to figure out if the person they are talking about is a troony or something.
The English language, back when it was Middle English, had 2nd person pronouns that made it easy to tell whether you were addressing a single person or a group: thee, thou, thine, and thy.
>Bitching about they/them despite it being a default pronoun in English for literally hundreds of years
You can yell about neo-pronouns all you want but they is the term used for when you don't know the gender of someone. morons will go 'b-but he is the default' and not realize that's a modernist change forced onto English.
I mean I ain't never going to call someone a Xe or whatever but it's not really a "problem" as far as linguistic drift goes. I don't approve of trannies but the whole discussion around using They/Them in everyday language has been fricking blown out of the water. I've had textbooks and stuff as far back as 10 or 15 years ago using they/them as a neutral alternative to he and it wasn't about troons it was about just not making every textbook use He or, if they felt rebellious, she. If English needs a gender neutral pronoun, and it seems it's users feel it does, it will evolve out of They.
It is a problem. Look at all the reporting about Ezra Miller from a few months back. The use of the singular they to refer to Miller caused all kinds of confusion. You got a lot of articles that read like this: >Ezra Miller was questioned by police after an altercation with a family at their home. They were accused of supplying alcohol to a minor, which lead to the altercation.
Whose home did the altercation occur in? Who was accused of supplying alcohol to a minor?
Linguistic drift is a thing, but this is not that. This is social engineering that is running headfirst into a serious and real issue: We still have a need for the collective they/their and the collective they/their and the singular they/their cannot co-exist without engendering confusion, which is contrary to the actual purpose of language. Linguistic drift occurs in the direction of clarity, not confusion. The meaning of words changes to meet the needs of the users of the language. There is no actual need for a singular they, only a political desire for it..
Contrary to popular belief it's not about troons, the sex they're attempting to larp as and the desired pronouns thereof being obvious, it's about something even more moronic: "enbys".
I'd actually be interested in learning Phyrexian, if it's actually well constructed. I doubt it is though. Not because she's a woman, but because it's WotC.
How do I make a conlang for naming? Do I actually need a linguistics degree? I tried listening to artifexian on YouTube which was recommended to me, but when it came to making an actual language I couldn't do it. I just need words for rock, ford, mountain, green, etc to name places and maybe people. I can make some structural rules but it just doesn't have the feel of real languages like German or french, or even conlangs like elvish in Tolkien.
I also wanna make a table of name fragments, like from the 3.5 Races of Stone / The Wild sourcebooks, so I can make names that sound cohesive and have my players pick their names for their characters instead of having a mix of syllable soup names and out-of-style English names.
Just use "it" while talking to people, and if it gets butthurt, claim that he/she/they/xe/ze etc. is anthropocentric language that promotes fascist mentality and directly contributes to the current climate crisis by placing humans above other animals.
Wizards really hired a language specialist to make up some bullshit language for Magic the Gathering just for me to ignore it completely while I'm beating (man)children in a tournament to win a booster pack.
>she/her
Why?
>ey
get this all the time irl
Britbongistani, I presume?
IT BE SIX A BONG
>subject: oy
get this all the time irl
Object "oy", subject "c**t"?
>Object "oy", subject "wey"
H O Y
subject: oy
object: vey
If you can learn bullshit keywords in MTG you can remember someone's pronouns. Think of them as moron keywords if it's easier.
Yeah except i did not sign up to play this particular game so i have no obligation to play along with your made up words.
You got drafted into it, moron. You're one of the cards, not one of the players, meta brought back some old keywords and introduced new ones. Adapt or die, WAACgay.
In that case I'll use a general purpose word that I can apply to all of them. Pedogay seems accurate.
>They're trying to force a new buzzword
Are you made that storyshitting and freakshit didn't catch on like you wanted, tourist?
You don't get to dictate the terms of human interaction, totalitarian shithead
I choose not to.
If you have a problem with that good, that is the point.
I know it's correct but as an ESL i loathe "they/them" as pronoun for both singular and plural on daily usage. Feels like it goes against the principle of language where the god damn point is to be as clear and direct as possible.
I mean, if you get pissed at English for not being clear and direct, you must be absolutely furious constantly.
Honestly, yeah. Specially with american english. Not to throw a jab at america per se, but many people write in a way that legit confuse me and makes me go back to check if that's correct or not.
My excuse is that english is my third language, what's theirs?
That American English is the product of dozens of different ethic groups and languages mixing together in a generally chaotic way and being a language that covers an absolutely huge area and population, leading to all sorts of mixed up rules and regional variations.
>My excuse is that english is my third language, what's theirs?
That it's not confusing to them or their average audience of American English readers? American English isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel for English, you have to go digging around in the Carribean for that. But even the pidgin speakers who sound and read like unintelligible gobbledyasiatic to everyone else can still understand each other just fine.
'They' as a gender neutral pronoun referring to a singular subject is actually not proper English.
Nothing's fricking proper English, it's a hodgepodge of languages slammed together and adapted as needed.
Singular they has been around for hundreds of years.
Can you share an example?
Shakespeare was known to use singular They - he was a wildcard with language ofc, and formal language rules were much less a thing at the time (things only got really prescriptive much later), but if its good enough for the Bard...
>There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
>As if I were their well-acquainted friend
A Comedy of Errors, Act IV, Scene 3:
Things never got prescriptive in English and never will. "Experts" have never successfully controlled what is correct in English, they can only identify what is being used by its speakers and then define correct based on that. When people use the language differently, what is correct changes with them.
>one use ever
Not convinced. Give me 100 more examples, all from different writers and years.
>There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
>As if I were their well-acquainted friend
Comedy of Errors, act 4, scene 3. From the Bard himself
>Had the Doctor been contented to take my dining tables as any body in their senses would have done
Mansfield Park, 1814, chapter 23.
https://austen.thefreelibrary.com/Mansfield-Park/1-23
Chaucer did it in The Canterbury Tales
>not proper English.
Wel if yow wole we caste a wey newe worldnesse and a newe langage o English, and retourne a more kynde of it bifore.
Also ESL here. Do troons want you to speak like "they are mentally disabled" or "they is mentally disabled"?
>"they is mentally disabled"
singular They/Them do have a potential usage in things like detective novels when you want to conceal certain details from the audience
>as pronoun for both singular and plural on daily usage
Let me guess, you either speak Spanish, Italian or French as your first language?
Well honestly as a ESL you don't really have a right to complain about new pronouns.
As an EFL, they/them for singular never bothers me grammatically because it sounds fine and all but whenever I hear someone use it when referring to a person that they should know the gender of, my mind starts firing on all cylinders trying to figure out if the person they are talking about is a troony or something.
The English language, back when it was Middle English, had 2nd person pronouns that made it easy to tell whether you were addressing a single person or a group: thee, thou, thine, and thy.
I'm not kidding.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Middle_English_personal_pronouns
So hit 'em with those thee, thou, thy, and thines. Chances are they won't know how to react, and it is proper English.
>Subject Ey
It's the Fonz!
even jumping the shark, Fonze was never that uncool.
>Bitching about they/them despite it being a default pronoun in English for literally hundreds of years
You can yell about neo-pronouns all you want but they is the term used for when you don't know the gender of someone. morons will go 'b-but he is the default' and not realize that's a modernist change forced onto English.
The problem arises when “they/them” goes from referring to an unknown, unseen, unnamed person to one that you know, have seen or know the name of.
>They've never met an androgynous person before.
It ain't hard, if I haven't seen your junk or you haven't told me your pronouns you're a they to me.
Consider getting your eyes checked. You can always tell, you’d have to have poor eyesight if you can’t. Maybe your ears too.
He said, on the site that invented tricking people into whacking it to girly looking boys.
Hours of work with filters and photoshop can't be applied when you meet one of the pedogays in person. That's why pedogays rely on alcohol.
I assume the
>Sup Ganker xx:36pm
Post-it notes were photoshopped too, bro.
>You can always tell
Considering how many false positives those 'transvestigation' types give all the time I doubt that.
I mean I ain't never going to call someone a Xe or whatever but it's not really a "problem" as far as linguistic drift goes. I don't approve of trannies but the whole discussion around using They/Them in everyday language has been fricking blown out of the water. I've had textbooks and stuff as far back as 10 or 15 years ago using they/them as a neutral alternative to he and it wasn't about troons it was about just not making every textbook use He or, if they felt rebellious, she. If English needs a gender neutral pronoun, and it seems it's users feel it does, it will evolve out of They.
It is a problem. Look at all the reporting about Ezra Miller from a few months back. The use of the singular they to refer to Miller caused all kinds of confusion. You got a lot of articles that read like this:
>Ezra Miller was questioned by police after an altercation with a family at their home. They were accused of supplying alcohol to a minor, which lead to the altercation.
Whose home did the altercation occur in? Who was accused of supplying alcohol to a minor?
Linguistic drift is a thing, but this is not that. This is social engineering that is running headfirst into a serious and real issue: We still have a need for the collective they/their and the collective they/their and the singular they/their cannot co-exist without engendering confusion, which is contrary to the actual purpose of language. Linguistic drift occurs in the direction of clarity, not confusion. The meaning of words changes to meet the needs of the users of the language. There is no actual need for a singular they, only a political desire for it..
SHEIT
>she
>he
>it
be progressive, treat them like the SHEIT they are
Xe Zie Xe Xem, I smell the stench of a blue haired one.
>Than Than? This ain't fricking star wars.
>now why does this b***h have power tools?
Anyone have the webm?
Welcome to 2023, wash your hands and cover your cough
reactionary bullshit has this man living in the 1800s lmao
Contrary to popular belief it's not about troons, the sex they're attempting to larp as and the desired pronouns thereof being obvious, it's about something even more moronic: "enbys".
where do enbys find garanimals that big
Once upon a time, there was this school in Germany
You know why.
Let's see your face then anon.
I'd actually be interested in learning Phyrexian, if it's actually well constructed. I doubt it is though. Not because she's a woman, but because it's WotC.
if Tolkien only knew what he had wrought
How do I make a conlang for naming? Do I actually need a linguistics degree? I tried listening to artifexian on YouTube which was recommended to me, but when it came to making an actual language I couldn't do it. I just need words for rock, ford, mountain, green, etc to name places and maybe people. I can make some structural rules but it just doesn't have the feel of real languages like German or french, or even conlangs like elvish in Tolkien.
I also wanna make a table of name fragments, like from the 3.5 Races of Stone / The Wild sourcebooks, so I can make names that sound cohesive and have my players pick their names for their characters instead of having a mix of syllable soup names and out-of-style English names.
Why would you make a conlang for a TCG? Do people really care about the lore? Why is there lore for a TCG?
How are you going to become the preeminent phyrexian sex expert if you don't also become the head linguist? It's a cunning plan.
>le chud face
Meh, I would.
I don't know what beau lieu she was named after, but it's clearly not her face.
This thread is incredibly bad.
I ask that you all try to be better.
No, I will become worse on purpose.
Just use "it" while talking to people, and if it gets butthurt, claim that he/she/they/xe/ze etc. is anthropocentric language that promotes fascist mentality and directly contributes to the current climate crisis by placing humans above other animals.