Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.
Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.
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Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.
new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
I like what he made, especially the carvings on their skin.
>new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
Press X to doubt
Vidya presents the consoomer with a complete product it doesn't ask for their input. Movies are the same. TTG aren't.
I feel like something that has been releasing games for 35 years, made by one of the most iconic and recognizable companies in the world is maybe not the best example to use
Show your reasoning, bud. How does it being hugely popular and immediately approachable to every audience while featuring 'new things', both compared to its genre and even reinventing itself from game to game, make it a bad example.
Because those things aren't NEW at all when they've been around and iterated on for 35 years, on top of being pretty broad and easily understood fantasy cliches, bud. You think Zelda games invented fish men, rock eaters, lizards, tree sprites, bird people, and desert people?
You're right, nothing is ever new when it's been around for a long time. There was never ever a period where it had not been around for a long time already.
That's a funny way of saying that the Zelda games just iterated on what were already common western fantasy elements and tropes that had been present in myth and fiction long before it was ever created. Certainly a far cry from >implying that they created new things that consumers had to wrap their heads around.
Zelda games uses familiar concepts but anchors of then to present new things give a sense of adventure.
Is totally ok to present new races and cultures, its part of the charm. Simply don't be too alien and start from things that the players can relate too.
Cool dwarf
>new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
Fpbp
>Cats are just "dogs but x"
Yeah And dogs are just "cats but x"
I kind of like it, and can empathize. Like said, plus, sometimes the connotations still work. These guys are still bearded, alcoholic smiths of stout build and earthy-association, so I think if I played a game where I'm told to find a 'dwarf' and saw these dudes, I'd still immediately get 'oh, that's one'.
No idea who you're talking about but I've been toying with the idea of making my dwarves more insectoid, they did form from maggots after all.
I really like it. I've been watching all his videos, and Im gonna use the Ratcatcher as my next villain. It's a new spin. If people are going to be ostracized for the creativity of their homebrews, whats the point of this hobby?
I also really like his idea. Just don't understand why they're a redesign.
He explained why very clearly in the video anon. He likes the tropes associated with dwarves but dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”. So he redesigned dwarves to better fit his own tastes.
>dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”
But that's how it works irl though. Cats are just "dogs but x"
>"I hate humans but x."
>"here's my Dwarves but X."
every time someone says IM SICK OF TRADITIONAL FANTASY RACES they just make something that fills the niche while being a fucking animal person cuz they're a closet furry.
Seems more golem-esque than animal to me.
The folklore meaning behind them is long gone. The old tropes behind them are stale and confining, and yet those too are fading away. Any original fluff is just self-indulgent wank for one person/community. They're boring to look at. They're boring to play as. They're simply pallete swaps.
"humans but x" are awesome and anyone who says otherwise probably thinks they're the smartest goy in the room for pretending to like brutalist architecture
Holy fuck, this is the most obvious advertising thread I've ever seen. Nobody knows who the fuck you're talking about but you still keep being coy and playing the pronoun game like it's some big celebrity we should all know by sight. Keep your shitty Youtube shit to yourself, self-promoting asshole.
>Nobody knows who the fuck you're talking about
Several posts linked directly to Monster Garden's youtube and namedropped the channel and his twitter account, like the post directly above yours. The people replying to OP without giving the artist's name can be assumed to know exactly what and who OP is talking about, but OP is a gay for vagueposting, and you're a gay for having such poor reading comprehension.
You absolutely dishonest cunt. No links were posted until the 10th one, and the name still isn't mentioned directly. It's clearly a shill thread, it's so fucking obvious and pathetic that you'd try to defend it this badly.
>You absolutely dishonest cunt. No links were posted until the 10th one
>I had to SCROLL DOWN and READ to get context!
You're pitiful.
Are you actually retarded? The posts didn't fucking exist when most of the ones I linked were made. The context came AFTER there'd already been vague posts about it. Fix your fucking autism, you daft cunt.
You demanded context and clarification hours after it had been posted multiple times. I'm sorry that Ganker isn't the model of efficiency and protocol that you imagine it being, retard.
Oh my fucking god, you are retarded. I pointed out a lack of context FROM THE START. I wasn't acting like the links didn't come later, I very clearly replied to SPECIFIC posts. It was how THOSE posts were behaving. Talk about lack of reading comprehension, you fucking double spastic.
Are you legit autistic?
This isn't bantz, I'm genuinely curious if you are on the spectrum.
Get fucked, projecto-kun.
Anon, you're literally having an episode here. Have you been tested?
>typing a post is an episode
Grow a pair, cunt.
>Calls other people retarded
>Has a full pitched aspie meltdown
/tg/ delivers
Its not that anon, is than he calls them dorfs. They are cool enough to be they own things, one of the shackles of fantasy is the adherence to Torlkien pastiches, your own races can shine be themselves too.
nta either but to create another race gotta mix known stuff and original stuff on a 80/20 ratio, but anyway, dorfs can have different interpretation, elves have multiple iteration of their concept and i feel like dwarf should be allowed to be more than bearded midgets
How is such a blatant shill thread allowed to stay up
let him do whatever he wants, who are you to tell someone what they can and can't homebrew. Only difference between him and the rest of the board is that he's got subs.
Dumbass
Dealing with subs is annoying, that's why I'm no longer involved with the scene.
I have no idea of the context but I like it. It's weird how they go through this hassle to redesign, but keep standard elements like drink heavy. Do these fuckers have scottish accents as well?
Next he'll redesign the English.
As wasps.
They're already WASPs
No idea what that's from but reinvention has its own merits. You said it would be just as interesting as its own thing so it's worth thinking about why they aren't wholly original. In as much as a wholly original work exists. There are two aspects to this as far as I see it. You've got the aspect of adhering to archetypes, and the aspect of onboarding to those archetypes. These dudes are a subterranean crafter race with an affinity for metal work, a penchant for drinking, and a generally amiable yet arrogant attitude. So, y'know, a dwarf. Lots of settings have things of this nature in many many forms. The archetype is a useful trope. Including this sort of trope and calling it anything but "dwarf" doesn't really do much good. Your world is only superficially more unique if you give them another name and players won't instantly have associations with that name. Or, worse, they'll have associations that run count to what you've made. But everyone has some general idea of a fantasy dwarf, and as this fantasy dwarf falls in that conception, just call it a dwarf. You'd know it was a dwarf after reading it anyway, but now you don't have to read it to get an idea of what they're about. Having it vary so much from the archetypal dwarf in so many ways is also equally useful because it shows that the setting isn't just straight fantasy archetypes and that there is more thought to it and that you shouldn't just assume it's all going to be fantasy archetypes.
Also, what is this thing from? The art is nice and assuming it's not just a 5e setting I'd be interesting in looking at more of it.
>Also, what is this thing from? The art is nice and assuming it's not just a 5e setting I'd be interesting in looking at more of it.
Monster Garden on Youtube. Guy posted the dwarf video with his design process and ideas a few days ago and blew up in popularity overnight because the algorithm apparently put that video in everyone's fucking recommendations.
>Your world is only superficially more unique if you give them another name
Giving them heads shaped like frisbees isn't superficial?
He uploaded a new one
>"Magic system"
>No actual system behind it, just yet another vague balancing mechanic that can be dismissed at the writers convenience
I mean that would be valid if the man was attempting to design a game but considering he is designing a world the basic principles will suffice
Artist was just having fun playing with ideas that interested him. You don't have to like it. It's just a drawing. It's also likely more creative than anything any basic bitch D&D player has come up with in the last 30+ years.
Why do you think I don't like the design? I just didn't get it being a redesign.
explained it well though.
You could have also watched the video where he directly explains that he did it because he finds the fantasy races that are just:
>human but short/pointy ears/hair feet
To be very boring.
If it were that reason alone you could just make them a new race.
He did.
I mean if that were the only reason he could make them a new race that is not called dwarves.
Perhaps the same could be said of all fantasy settings.
That's a very cool Dwarf redesign.
What is fantasy?
Very cool. I generally dislike "my elves/dwarves/orcs/halflings are unique because X" but this actually feels quite inspired.
My sentiment is the exact opposite of this post on all points.
Yeah but it's also interesting as a redesign. It still looks immediately recognizable as a dwarf.
>Tongs, hammer and anvil
Wow those are some strange tools for a new Dörf species to use.
Never seen anything like those before.
>Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign
What did his dwarves look like before?
Whose dwarves are these? They look cool as fuck
He also made a magic system
https://twitter.com/Monlenz
This dude's.
So it's Dorohedoro magic.
Why even call them dwarves? They look more like insectoid frogs. If you're going to use traditional fantasy races, why completely redesign them? It's like the goombas from the 90s Mario Bros movie. Nice art though
cuz fantasy races have no canon only ideas?
if dwarves were frog people originally and someone made them short humans with beards you would be saying the same thing
>cuz fantasy races have no canon only ideas?
Oh great, the retard's back! No, most fantasy races come from folklore and mythology, which do have some pretty canon characteristics. Making a dwarf a frog person would mean it was actually a vodyanoy.
>pee pee poo poo caca
nope all fantasy is just ideas from different people some more popular that others. fantasy can be anything the user wants to be telling different stories too.
then again it depends on the setting but what's stopping me from changing "tradition?" maybe popularity and a lawsuit
>but what's stopping me from changing "tradition?"
Something fairly obvious, judging from the bollocks you just spouted.
they can seethe as I'm right lol
he's right though
No, you think you're right because you're an ignorant retard.
thinks he's right because he's a post-modernist zoomer pseud who doesn't understand what the point of words is. Simple as that, really.
this bro do be seething rn
coping even
malding, perhaps
cumming too maybe?
No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything. It's fiction. Nobody cares that some idiots for example think wyverns somehow can't be dragons.
>No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything.
>pretty canon characteristics
Like how dwarves are pale skinned and turn to stone when exposed to sunlight in Alvissmal? Or that they can turn into dragons when in greed just like Nibelungenlied? You’re right, fantasy dwarves all share the same canon characteristics!
>he doesn't know Tolkien's dwarves also believe they turn back into stone when they die, and can be afflicted with dragon-sickness
Oh i know that silly. D&D dwarves and its derivatives don’t do that though.
>thinks D&D counts as anything
>bro can’t read what I wrote
>D&D
Leave and never come back
>No, most fantasy races come from folklore and mythology, which do have some pretty canon characteristics
that i'm gonna chuck in the trashcan because MY Interpretation is better and i'm not gonna kowtow to some dusty dead fuck and hist whiteknight autists
i'll pillage the ideas that i like and twist them in my own image
i am god and this is my world
I feel this is something out of Twilight Princess (this actually a compliment pretty good job)
I've had my own thoughts about "reimagining" dwarves as underground insect creatures, based on Norse legends that they originated as maggots feasting on Ymir; but my immediate question to myself was the same thing:
Why should they be "dwarves" instead of their own thing?
And also, despite the imaginative appearance of the concept art, their tools are decidedly unimaginative. It's like you took a really weird alien and gave him an ordinary hammer.
Literally was watching this video when I oppened up tg.
This is shit, just like how Blood Sacrifice orcs are shit cat monsters.
Someone made something, so the churning in the crab bucket is growing louder.
Fucking finally, at least there's one other person on here with a brain in their nut.
i like the design, very cool, i'm also doing a space dwarf design, i'm going to yoink that carving on skin thing
I saw this and although I liked his thought process in general, for some reason I didn't love the final product at all. I'm sure if he gave them more love maybe I could be swayed, but for some reason it just felt like he was reaching for something and didn't quite make it.
Don't hate his work, just don't love it. He's a decent artist, which takes you quite far. People are for the most part visual, so they get impressed with very little.
>guy writes interesting lore
>crickets
>guy writes some lore and illustrates it
>popularity explosion
yes, I'm butthurt
Don't be butthurt about mediocrity anon. but let's be real, your work is nothing to write home about either, but if it helps you sleep at night keep seething
It's almost as if people appreciate those who have some actual skills. Crazy, I know.
I hate reading. I just want to look for 5 seconds. I haven't even bothered to read the text next to the drawings.
Marketing's important, anon. Why else do writers and publishers spend all that money on book covers and illustrations?
Before you can really reel people into the meat and potatoes of your setting, you've got to catch their eye with something first - and pretty pictures or some other form of accompanying media is a good way to do that.
Look at all the replies you've gotten to your post, mate. Modern audiences don't like to read. They want pretty pictures, and thus value art as a higher skill than writing. Why do you think Twitter and Tumblr collectively lost its shit at AI art? Because people thought "anyone can write, but visual art is special". AI is better at visual art than writing, so hopefully the written word becomes more valued again.
>Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.
Sometimes you just want to put your own spin on a pre-existing thing, you know?
But sometimes there are types of artists who think this way and only do it because they are up on their high horse and high off on narcissism and think they are better and their ideas are better and then do it to feed their ego.
In this case with this artist, Monster Garden, it isn't case of the latter thankfully and he just did it because he wanted to put his own spin on the dwarf archetype, also he did it because he thinks that most fantasy races being just essentially "humans, but" is kinda boring. Which I understand as a fellow artist.
And I do like the design, it is cool, not my most favorite version of a dwarf, I do prefer the classic look more, but it is cool and this more beetle like version has its charm.
I did like the idea of them starting as grubs and turning into beetles that he discarded. I wish that the metamorphosis found its way into the final concept.
I'm biased to enjoy this because I made my own attempt to reimagine dwarfs and ended up going down a similar path of them being armored subterranean creatures, though I leaned more towards things that resembled an mix of an armadillo and mole, but with more of an insectoid feel to their plating and still having a roughly humanoid shape and facial structure.
Personally, we went with coral for dwarves back when /tg/ was cooking up the Skylands together. Coralheart dwarves, they were eventually called. Start out as a fairly standard and fleshy, but slowly and surely become more and more coral and crystal as their bodies essentially grow and calcify as they age. Growing larger and slower until the time of their 'death' when they lose all sense of mobility and become essentially immortal statues, having retired to the halls of ancestors within a clanhold or -- if it happens out in the wider world -- becoming a site for pilgrimages by that dwarf's descendants.
Where can you find more if his redesigned art in high res?
Yeah I think people are too chicken to come up with their own races and just opt to reskin things; probably because they have trouble coming up with fantasy race names or want to go for the "woah I bet you didn't expect this whacky subversion (now you can't accuse my work of being Tolkien-derivative or whatever)!"
Because something fundamentally different yet similar enough in niche with a few common montifs can survive intellectual property litigation.
It wouldn't though, it's more interesting because it's a dwarf. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Generic fantasy isn't about repetition it's about iteration, the old stories create context which makes the new stories richer.
Like with these drunken bug-dudes, how would the inkeeper (who has never seen them himself) describe them to the PCs (who have also never seen them for themselves)? As stout, tough, bearded men! That's fun! Can't you see why that's fun?
>not sure why he wants to redesign despite him specifically stating the reason
retard
>herbs
Oh hey, its the giants from majora's mask!