Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.

Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
    I like what he made, especially the carvings on their skin.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
      Press X to doubt

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vidya presents the consoomer with a complete product it doesn't ask for their input. Movies are the same. TTG aren't.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel like something that has been releasing games for 35 years, made by one of the most iconic and recognizable companies in the world is maybe not the best example to use

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Show your reasoning, bud. How does it being hugely popular and immediately approachable to every audience while featuring 'new things', both compared to its genre and even reinventing itself from game to game, make it a bad example.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because those things aren't NEW at all when they've been around and iterated on for 35 years, on top of being pretty broad and easily understood fantasy cliches, bud. You think Zelda games invented fish men, rock eaters, lizards, tree sprites, bird people, and desert people?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              You're right, nothing is ever new when it's been around for a long time. There was never ever a period where it had not been around for a long time already.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's a funny way of saying that the Zelda games just iterated on what were already common western fantasy elements and tropes that had been present in myth and fiction long before it was ever created. Certainly a far cry from >implying that they created new things that consumers had to wrap their heads around.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Zelda games uses familiar concepts but anchors of then to present new things give a sense of adventure.
                Is totally ok to present new races and cultures, its part of the charm. Simply don't be too alien and start from things that the players can relate too.

    • 10 months ago
      Starving artist

      Cool dwarf

      >new things are more difficult for both creators and consumers to wrap their head around, much easier to take a familiar concept and change it.
      Fpbp

      >dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”
      But that's how it works irl though. cats are just "dogs but x"

      >Cats are just "dogs but x"
      Yeah And dogs are just "cats but x"

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I kind of like it, and can empathize. Like said, plus, sometimes the connotations still work. These guys are still bearded, alcoholic smiths of stout build and earthy-association, so I think if I played a game where I'm told to find a 'dwarf' and saw these dudes, I'd still immediately get 'oh, that's one'.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No idea who you're talking about but I've been toying with the idea of making my dwarves more insectoid, they did form from maggots after all.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really like it. I've been watching all his videos, and Im gonna use the Ratcatcher as my next villain. It's a new spin. If people are going to be ostracized for the creativity of their homebrews, whats the point of this hobby?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also really like his idea. Just don't understand why they're a redesign.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        He explained why very clearly in the video anon. He likes the tropes associated with dwarves but dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”. So he redesigned dwarves to better fit his own tastes.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”
          But that's how it works irl though. Cats are just "dogs but x"

        • 10 months ago
          SUPER AGGRO CRAG

          >"I hate humans but x."
          >"here's my Dwarves but X."

          every time someone says IM SICK OF TRADITIONAL FANTASY RACES they just make something that fills the niche while being a fricking animal person cuz they're a closet furry.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Seems more golem-esque than animal to me.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The folklore meaning behind them is long gone. The old tropes behind them are stale and confining, and yet those too are fading away. Any original fluff is just self-indulgent wank for one person/community. They're boring to look at. They're boring to play as. They're simply pallete swaps.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          "humans but x" are awesome and anyone who says otherwise probably thinks they're the smartest goy in the room for pretending to like brutalist architecture

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      let him do whatever he wants, who are you to tell someone what they can and can't homebrew. Only difference between him and the rest of the board is that he's got subs.
      Dumbass

      I also really like his idea. Just don't understand why they're a redesign.

      He explained why very clearly in the video anon. He likes the tropes associated with dwarves but dislikes fantasy races that can be described as “humans but x”. So he redesigned dwarves to better fit his own tastes.

      He uploaded a new one

      Artist was just having fun playing with ideas that interested him. You don't have to like it. It's just a drawing. It's also likely more creative than anything any basic b***h D&D player has come up with in the last 30+ years.

      Holy frick, this is the most obvious advertising thread I've ever seen. Nobody knows who the frick you're talking about but you still keep being coy and playing the pronoun game like it's some big celebrity we should all know by sight. Keep your shitty Youtube shit to yourself, self-promoting butthole.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody knows who the frick you're talking about
        Several posts linked directly to Monster Garden's youtube and namedropped the channel and his twitter account, like the post directly above yours. The people replying to OP without giving the artist's name can be assumed to know exactly what and who OP is talking about, but OP is a homosexual for vagueposting, and you're a homosexual for having such poor reading comprehension.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You absolutely dishonest c**t. No links were posted until the 10th one, and the name still isn't mentioned directly. It's clearly a shill thread, it's so fricking obvious and pathetic that you'd try to defend it this badly.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You absolutely dishonest c**t. No links were posted until the 10th one
            >I had to SCROLL DOWN and READ to get context!
            You're pitiful.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Are you actually moronic? The posts didn't fricking exist when most of the ones I linked were made. The context came AFTER there'd already been vague posts about it. Fix your fricking autism, you daft c**t.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You demanded context and clarification hours after it had been posted multiple times. I'm sorry that Ganker isn't the model of efficiency and protocol that you imagine it being, moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh my fricking god, you are moronic. I pointed out a lack of context FROM THE START. I wasn't acting like the links didn't come later, I very clearly replied to SPECIFIC posts. It was how THOSE posts were behaving. Talk about lack of reading comprehension, you fricking double spastic.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you legit autistic?

            This isn't bantz, I'm genuinely curious if you are on the spectrum.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              [...]
              >Calls other people moronic
              >Has a full pitched aspie meltdown
              /tg/ delivers

              Get fricked, projecto-kun.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you're literally having an episode here. Have you been tested?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >typing a post is an episode
                Grow a pair, c**t.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you actually moronic? The posts didn't fricking exist when most of the ones I linked were made. The context came AFTER there'd already been vague posts about it. Fix your fricking autism, you daft c**t.

            Oh my fricking god, you are moronic. I pointed out a lack of context FROM THE START. I wasn't acting like the links didn't come later, I very clearly replied to SPECIFIC posts. It was how THOSE posts were behaving. Talk about lack of reading comprehension, you fricking double spastic.

            >Calls other people moronic
            >Has a full pitched aspie meltdown
            /tg/ delivers

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its not that anon, is than he calls them dorfs. They are cool enough to be they own things, one of the shackles of fantasy is the adherence to Torlkien pastiches, your own races can shine be themselves too.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        nta either but to create another race gotta mix known stuff and original stuff on a 80/20 ratio, but anyway, dorfs can have different interpretation, elves have multiple iteration of their concept and i feel like dwarf should be allowed to be more than bearded midgets

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/PsQMIGC.jpg

      Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.

      He uploaded a new one

      How is such a blatant shill thread allowed to stay up

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    let him do whatever he wants, who are you to tell someone what they can and can't homebrew. Only difference between him and the rest of the board is that he's got subs.
    Dumbass

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dealing with subs is annoying, that's why I'm no longer involved with the scene.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea of the context but I like it. It's weird how they go through this hassle to redesign, but keep standard elements like drink heavy. Do these frickers have scottish accents as well?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Next he'll redesign the English.

      As wasps.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're already WASPs

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No idea what that's from but reinvention has its own merits. You said it would be just as interesting as its own thing so it's worth thinking about why they aren't wholly original. In as much as a wholly original work exists. There are two aspects to this as far as I see it. You've got the aspect of adhering to archetypes, and the aspect of onboarding to those archetypes. These dudes are a subterranean crafter race with an affinity for metal work, a penchant for drinking, and a generally amiable yet arrogant attitude. So, y'know, a dwarf. Lots of settings have things of this nature in many many forms. The archetype is a useful trope. Including this sort of trope and calling it anything but "dwarf" doesn't really do much good. Your world is only superficially more unique if you give them another name and players won't instantly have associations with that name. Or, worse, they'll have associations that run count to what you've made. But everyone has some general idea of a fantasy dwarf, and as this fantasy dwarf falls in that conception, just call it a dwarf. You'd know it was a dwarf after reading it anyway, but now you don't have to read it to get an idea of what they're about. Having it vary so much from the archetypal dwarf in so many ways is also equally useful because it shows that the setting isn't just straight fantasy archetypes and that there is more thought to it and that you shouldn't just assume it's all going to be fantasy archetypes.

    Also, what is this thing from? The art is nice and assuming it's not just a 5e setting I'd be interesting in looking at more of it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, what is this thing from? The art is nice and assuming it's not just a 5e setting I'd be interesting in looking at more of it.
      Monster Garden on Youtube. Guy posted the dwarf video with his design process and ideas a few days ago and blew up in popularity overnight because the algorithm apparently put that video in everyone's fricking recommendations.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Your world is only superficially more unique if you give them another name
      Giving them heads shaped like frisbees isn't superficial?

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    He uploaded a new one

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Magic system"
      >No actual system behind it, just yet another vague balancing mechanic that can be dismissed at the writers convenience

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean that would be valid if the man was attempting to design a game but considering he is designing a world the basic principles will suffice

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artist was just having fun playing with ideas that interested him. You don't have to like it. It's just a drawing. It's also likely more creative than anything any basic b***h D&D player has come up with in the last 30+ years.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you think I don't like the design? I just didn't get it being a redesign.

      No idea what that's from but reinvention has its own merits. You said it would be just as interesting as its own thing so it's worth thinking about why they aren't wholly original. In as much as a wholly original work exists. There are two aspects to this as far as I see it. You've got the aspect of adhering to archetypes, and the aspect of onboarding to those archetypes. These dudes are a subterranean crafter race with an affinity for metal work, a penchant for drinking, and a generally amiable yet arrogant attitude. So, y'know, a dwarf. Lots of settings have things of this nature in many many forms. The archetype is a useful trope. Including this sort of trope and calling it anything but "dwarf" doesn't really do much good. Your world is only superficially more unique if you give them another name and players won't instantly have associations with that name. Or, worse, they'll have associations that run count to what you've made. But everyone has some general idea of a fantasy dwarf, and as this fantasy dwarf falls in that conception, just call it a dwarf. You'd know it was a dwarf after reading it anyway, but now you don't have to read it to get an idea of what they're about. Having it vary so much from the archetypal dwarf in so many ways is also equally useful because it shows that the setting isn't just straight fantasy archetypes and that there is more thought to it and that you shouldn't just assume it's all going to be fantasy archetypes.

      Also, what is this thing from? The art is nice and assuming it's not just a 5e setting I'd be interesting in looking at more of it.

      explained it well though.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You could have also watched the video where he directly explains that he did it because he finds the fantasy races that are just:
        >human but short/pointy ears/hair feet
        To be very boring.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          If it were that reason alone you could just make them a new race.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He did.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I mean if that were the only reason he could make them a new race that is not called dwarves.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Perhaps the same could be said of all fantasy settings.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's a very cool Dwarf redesign.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is fantasy?

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Very cool. I generally dislike "my elves/dwarves/orcs/halflings are unique because X" but this actually feels quite inspired.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      My sentiment is the exact opposite of this post on all points.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but it's also interesting as a redesign. It still looks immediately recognizable as a dwarf.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Tongs, hammer and anvil

    Wow those are some strange tools for a new Dörf species to use.

    Never seen anything like those before.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign
    What did his dwarves look like before?

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whose dwarves are these? They look cool as frick

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He also made a magic system

      He uploaded a new one

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://twitter.com/Monlenz

      This dude's.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        So it's Dorohedoro magic.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why even call them dwarves? They look more like insectoid frogs. If you're going to use traditional fantasy races, why completely redesign them? It's like the goombas from the 90s Mario Bros movie. Nice art though

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      cuz fantasy races have no canon only ideas?

      if dwarves were frog people originally and someone made them short humans with beards you would be saying the same thing

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cuz fantasy races have no canon only ideas?
        Oh great, the moron's back! No, most fantasy races come from folklore and mythology, which do have some pretty canon characteristics. Making a dwarf a frog person would mean it was actually a vodyanoy.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >pee pee poo poo caca

          nope all fantasy is just ideas from different people some more popular that others. fantasy can be anything the user wants to be telling different stories too.

          then again it depends on the setting but what's stopping me from changing "tradition?" maybe popularity and a lawsuit

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but what's stopping me from changing "tradition?"
            Something fairly obvious, judging from the bollocks you just spouted.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              they can seethe as I'm right lol

              >No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything.

              he's right though

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, you think you're right because you're an ignorant moron.

                No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything. It's fiction. Nobody cares that some idiots for example think wyverns somehow can't be dragons.

                thinks he's right because he's a post-modernist zoomer pseud who doesn't understand what the point of words is. Simple as that, really.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                this homie do be seething rn

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                coping even
                malding, perhaps

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                cumming too maybe?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything. It's fiction. Nobody cares that some idiots for example think wyverns somehow can't be dragons.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No, they can be anything just like how dragons can be anything.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >pretty canon characteristics
          Like how dwarves are pale skinned and turn to stone when exposed to sunlight in Alvissmal? Or that they can turn into dragons when in greed just like Nibelungenlied? You’re right, fantasy dwarves all share the same canon characteristics!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't know Tolkien's dwarves also believe they turn back into stone when they die, and can be afflicted with dragon-sickness

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh i know that silly. D&D dwarves and its derivatives don’t do that though.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks D&D counts as anything

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >homie can’t read what I wrote

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >D&D
                Leave and never come back

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No, most fantasy races come from folklore and mythology, which do have some pretty canon characteristics
          that i'm gonna chuck in the trashcan because MY Interpretation is better and i'm not gonna kowtow to some dusty dead frick and hist whiteknight autists
          i'll pillage the ideas that i like and twist them in my own image

          i am god and this is my world

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel this is something out of Twilight Princess (this actually a compliment pretty good job)

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've had my own thoughts about "reimagining" dwarves as underground insect creatures, based on Norse legends that they originated as maggots feasting on Ymir; but my immediate question to myself was the same thing:
    Why should they be "dwarves" instead of their own thing?

    And also, despite the imaginative appearance of the concept art, their tools are decidedly unimaginative. It's like you took a really weird alien and gave him an ordinary hammer.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally was watching this video when I oppened up tg.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is shit, just like how Blood Sacrifice orcs are shit cat monsters.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Someone made something, so the churning in the crab bucket is growing louder.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Fricking finally, at least there's one other person on here with a brain in their nut.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    i like the design, very cool, i'm also doing a space dwarf design, i'm going to yoink that carving on skin thing

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I saw this and although I liked his thought process in general, for some reason I didn't love the final product at all. I'm sure if he gave them more love maybe I could be swayed, but for some reason it just felt like he was reaching for something and didn't quite make it.

    Don't hate his work, just don't love it. He's a decent artist, which takes you quite far. People are for the most part visual, so they get impressed with very little.

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >guy writes interesting lore
    >crickets
    >guy writes some lore and illustrates it
    >popularity explosion
    yes, I'm butthurt

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't be butthurt about mediocrity anon. but let's be real, your work is nothing to write home about either, but if it helps you sleep at night keep seething

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost as if people appreciate those who have some actual skills. Crazy, I know.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate reading. I just want to look for 5 seconds. I haven't even bothered to read the text next to the drawings.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Marketing's important, anon. Why else do writers and publishers spend all that money on book covers and illustrations?
      Before you can really reel people into the meat and potatoes of your setting, you've got to catch their eye with something first - and pretty pictures or some other form of accompanying media is a good way to do that.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Look at all the replies you've gotten to your post, mate. Modern audiences don't like to read. They want pretty pictures, and thus value art as a higher skill than writing. Why do you think Twitter and Tumblr collectively lost its shit at AI art? Because people thought "anyone can write, but visual art is special". AI is better at visual art than writing, so hopefully the written word becomes more valued again.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Not sure why he wants it to be a redesign. Would be just as interesting as its own thing.
    Sometimes you just want to put your own spin on a pre-existing thing, you know?
    But sometimes there are types of artists who think this way and only do it because they are up on their high horse and high off on narcissism and think they are better and their ideas are better and then do it to feed their ego.

    In this case with this artist, Monster Garden, it isn't case of the latter thankfully and he just did it because he wanted to put his own spin on the dwarf archetype, also he did it because he thinks that most fantasy races being just essentially "humans, but" is kinda boring. Which I understand as a fellow artist.

    And I do like the design, it is cool, not my most favorite version of a dwarf, I do prefer the classic look more, but it is cool and this more beetle like version has its charm.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I did like the idea of them starting as grubs and turning into beetles that he discarded. I wish that the metamorphosis found its way into the final concept.

      I'm biased to enjoy this because I made my own attempt to reimagine dwarfs and ended up going down a similar path of them being armored subterranean creatures, though I leaned more towards things that resembled an mix of an armadillo and mole, but with more of an insectoid feel to their plating and still having a roughly humanoid shape and facial structure.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally, we went with coral for dwarves back when /tg/ was cooking up the Skylands together. Coralheart dwarves, they were eventually called. Start out as a fairly standard and fleshy, but slowly and surely become more and more coral and crystal as their bodies essentially grow and calcify as they age. Growing larger and slower until the time of their 'death' when they lose all sense of mobility and become essentially immortal statues, having retired to the halls of ancestors within a clanhold or -- if it happens out in the wider world -- becoming a site for pilgrimages by that dwarf's descendants.

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where can you find more if his redesigned art in high res?

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I think people are too chicken to come up with their own races and just opt to reskin things; probably because they have trouble coming up with fantasy race names or want to go for the "woah I bet you didn't expect this whacky subversion (now you can't accuse my work of being Tolkien-derivative or whatever)!"

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because something fundamentally different yet similar enough in niche with a few common montifs can survive intellectual property litigation.

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It wouldn't though, it's more interesting because it's a dwarf. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Generic fantasy isn't about repetition it's about iteration, the old stories create context which makes the new stories richer.

    Like with these drunken bug-dudes, how would the inkeeper (who has never seen them himself) describe them to the PCs (who have also never seen them for themselves)? As stout, tough, bearded men! That's fun! Can't you see why that's fun?

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >not sure why he wants to redesign despite him specifically stating the reason
    moron
    >herbs

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey, its the giants from majora's mask!

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