I'm starting to wonder if these games can ever be fun to play for the first 30 hours. I'm really hoping the combat becomes more active soon after the 2nd chapter.
You get the full party right after ch 1 and you unlock all the master arts at around lvl 40 which isn’t too bad if you unlock all classes and do side quests
I've been wondering that myself. I need to give 2 a more proper try before I consider getting it though, I didn't get into it when I tried it, but pretty much everyone I've seen talk about Xenoblade pretty consistently said the combat sucks until it clicks and then you love it, so idk
XBC2 combat is fricking shit until you unlock auto attack cancels and art cancels, which requires SP grinding on each character to unlock. It doesn't get that deep either and the most interesting thing is shattering elemental orbs, otherwise it's the same topple shit as XBC.
Don't even get started on the broken nature of some of the mechanics or how overdeveloped/pointless some systems were like the Elemental Combo/Sealing system.
Nothing in Torna is mentioned or even referenced in 3. Torna is also very short by RPG standards, but the game is padded in length because of those stupid mandatory side quests.
Nothing in Torna is mentioned or even referenced in 3. Torna is also very short by RPG standards, but the game is padded in length because of those stupid mandatory side quests.
XBC is long and drawn out. It's story is pretty shit and filled with clichés. It's basically starts off as a sunday morning cartoon and later on goes down the killing a guy that became a god route. At the end of the story you're just tired and thankful it's finally over. If you're looking to familiarize yourself just watch a story summary since XBC3 hardly uses anything besides its setting a few characters.
I'm maybe about halfway through. Played for 40 hours but I've been doing fricking everything and dicking around. >Game starts REALLY slow worse than any other Xenoblade game. Expect it to be very linear early on >Mid way through Chapter 3, game opens up, giving a lot of quest, Colonies to visit, ect. Easy to get lost in doing random shit, more so than XC1 or 2. >Areas are pretty good. Has more of an X feel. >Combat feels like a better version of 1. Can still cancel Fusion Arts and regular arts after a story event >Classes give you a ton of variety and a lot of experimentation without 2's gacha >Story has some real kino moments. Less light hearted than 2. >Villains look dumb as frick and aren't as memorable
I like it the more I play it, but again, I think I'm only midway through. If you get it, just expect the first part of it is a slog. I'd recommend doing the early quest in Colony 9 as you get them, and once the characters meet up, book it until you get Valdi. Still, I'd recommend it.
i actually like the 1st part leading to ch2 finale a lot, but only if you roleplay a strict soldier and never deviate from your path (until you realize you can aka ch3). ch1 and 2 finale were so raw its great
id recommend getting the heroes by the order they appear in the class list too, except Zeon. Save Zeon for after Teach and Valdi cus B is a b***h
I think on a second playthrough Id appreciate it more. Its just hard when you get all the characters and you don't get any quest. It just makes it feel like your being drug along.
honestly the game opened up for me chapter 2 when I went back to the old colonys before I even met the mechanic healer guy, Got a new traversal option from there and started finding the hidden spots and hidden ferronis and the edgy gun boi hero
>3 was better till ch 6-7 and made up for it with its ending >3 still has a better cast >different approach, 2 has more memorable area themes but 3 has nice ambience. Both are good tho >true >I like Noah and Rex for different reasons >3 is better
This tbh
The frick is people unable to catergorize something as being different and not being better or worse? Is it autism?
I will agree about Zed being pretty lame though.
He's established as a pacifist and a reluctant fighter, but who isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in and make the tough calls. What do you mean by no character? He's just way more grounded compared to >muh Salvager's Code Rex and teen Shulk.
I think Noah has always been more introspective as a whole and he is much quieter as a result. As a result people tend to think he is boring, especially since his partners are Lanz and Eunie. But he carries himself with a quiet confidence that is more nuanced, and only in chapter 5 when that confidence is broken do really see the more desperate and hopeless side.
Rex sort of has a similar moment in Chapter 7, but it's relatively pretty brief. He gets his ass handed to him and basically quits, but it doesn't take long for him to snap out of it.
Just because the character himself doesn't understand it doesn't mean it's not explained through the story, so if you personally didn't understand it, you're probably just dumb.
You don't actually truly believe any of that because it's not true.
You're just adamantly feeling the need to use 2 to shit on 3 like a trained dog because there's less skin in the character designs
You're a shell of a man.
I think it has better character moments.
I think it’s conceptually ‘deeper’ but I don’t like that makes it better, just different. I don’t want XB2 part 2.
2 does a lot of things really well but for the things it doesn’t it really salts the earth of ‘how good it was’ when I look back at it.
I don’t want to fumble around with blades to set up field skills.
I don’t want to deal with gacha. I don’t want to lose a fight with Malos and Jin 3 times in a row.
I don’t want to shove cake and boardgames down Praxis’ throat for an hour to increase her affinity.
The most interesting thing to me about Xeno games is the world and how our heroes live in it and live with eachother.
3 did that very well.
Also in a personal level I was annoyed at how inconsistent 2ms tone was. Sometimes it’d go for very serious and other times they do the anime antics and flare eyes and then never do it again.
2 is a great game fir different reasons than three and is an absolute mess for other reasons.
So is it literally because Schreier told you that it's a e-girl hentai game that you redditors hate it? In the entire world of Japanese media to classify XC2 as a softcore porn fanservice game is absurd.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you were right then there wouldn't have been literally thousands of threads of morons screaming about XB3 being "censored" because Eunie isn't in a bikini
I do not take these coombrains seriously.
They will play genuinely actually bad games like Gal Gun or Senran Kagura just because it has skimpy anime girls
2 years ago
Anonymous
Man does fanza have some awful fricking games for them
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you actually taking blundergay and his "Xenoblade 3 is the most hated game of 2022" shit seriously?
Anon I played the game and not because mythra and pyra, infact I much prefer tights mythra, the only coomer shit in it is the designs and the last bit of 3 showing Rex isn't tied to one woman, the rest is standard anime shit
I think this infighting is moronic and pointing fingers doesn’t help.
The problem is thinking that 3 isn’t just like 2 when ewch game should be weighed on its own merits.
When 2 came out the only thing I saw people b***h about was how wacky it was comapred to 1 and the gacha system but was otherwise loved.
The difference now is how this board has devolved and how thinking on it has changed to “if you love pancakes then that means you hate waffles!” Or more so than usual.
It’s stupid and no sensical and serves only for arguing.
Infighting about games in a series of nothing but bangers is moronic.
The huge thing that 2 has over 3 is the combat, its just not as fun or as fast. In 3 it feels like you're fricking around until chain attack lights up, the its whatever, you can stumble your way through 5 combo chain and you automatically win
.... in contrast to pressing as many A as possible then chain attack at 60%, if you want to use reductionism that hard? 2's biggest problem was how powerful chain attacks were with how easy you can set up orbs randomly by mid-late game. Hell running Mythra Telos alone is enough to launch lock and set up 3 orbs all by themselves in record time.
Yes, its far more interesting stringing element orbs and constantly switching blades and arts, than waiting for shitty fusion arts to get off cooldown in 3. Chain combos were better too, since they're not as braindead in 3
Not to mention how Orbs actually plays against you if you set up too much of them, as the enemy gains the orbs elemental resistance, and will frick you up if you're too greedy as it enters fury.
>chain combo in 2 >not braindead
anon please, bringing 2 of the same element and just rolling shits off from there doesnt require any brain. And people saying 3 took longer than 2 when 2's after-each-turn cutscene is just as long. The only saving grace was the QTEs
also if you rotate your arts properly you pretty much doesnt have any downtimes, fusion or not, in 3. and you are treating as if all blades arent fundamentally the same in 2
tldr: shitting on other game's system by being reductionist wont work. 2 has a nice system going on but its marred by them being absolutely pointless, and worked only as fuel for spamming that A button. If anything Torna got a better, upgraded system (but still has the fundamental shortcoming of all blades game, that chain attacks are OP as frick still)
Chain attack isnt braindead in 2 because it takes some planning before using it. You cant slap 9 fire elements and win. In 3 as long as you have 2 or 3 healers and 1 tank you're fine with using whatever you want and you'll win > if you rotate your arts properly you pretty much doesnt have any downtimes, fusion or not, in 3. and you are treating as if all blades arent fundamentally the same in 2
now this is a straight up lie. Every blade had a different use and had different skills depending who used it. You had to plan out which type is being used by who if you wanted fusion arts to go anywhere. As far as cooldowns go, just lol dude
>Torna got a better, upgraded system
No. Doing the same Lora > Jin/Hugo > Addam > Mythra and pressing A freely because there's no restrictions for routes is even more braindead if you think 2 is bad. You even get orbs for free because everyone has Orb Master making CA even more broken. It added "Focus on Driver/Blade Combo" options but it's pointless when those are piss easy to do in Torna and the customization is almost non-existent
2 years ago
Anonymous
i was talking about general gameplay, and still got very annoyed at chain attack in Torna being even more braindead, true, plus like half the UE encounter literally mandate you to CA at 50% to clear unless you want to suffer the enrage mechanic
Chain attack isnt braindead in 2 because it takes some planning before using it. You cant slap 9 fire elements and win. In 3 as long as you have 2 or 3 healers and 1 tank you're fine with using whatever you want and you'll win > if you rotate your arts properly you pretty much doesnt have any downtimes, fusion or not, in 3. and you are treating as if all blades arent fundamentally the same in 2
now this is a straight up lie. Every blade had a different use and had different skills depending who used it. You had to plan out which type is being used by who if you wanted fusion arts to go anywhere. As far as cooldowns go, just lol dude
play incursor, set up proper side palette and then we speak >reversal edge + quickdraw. 1st art refills in 3 ticks and quickdraw is a 17s cd >side winder (6) paired with anything ~25s cd, like ground beat >glitter stream + cross impact >ofc positional pro skill so you can actually use 3 positional arts
open with reversal edge, dash atack cancel into glitter stream and can just cancel into side winder, cancel right into reversal edge again. attack twice, dash to front and fusion reversal edge, to side and fusion glitter stream + cross impact (prep up power charge). by now infinity blade is up. Enjoy your frick huge slash
you just have to plan your shits and pair cds properly. even kevesi healers are fricking fun to play. Granted the only fun to play tank is lone exile but thats the general problem with tanks in this series aside from based Dunban
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do this one specific build and then its the same as 2
like i said, lol dude
2 years ago
Anonymous
its just one example. offensive zephyr, FMJ, multihit stacking strategos are all great fun, you just havent gotten to the proper understanding of the system yet
meanwhile the actually fun setup of 2 wasnt spamming random blades, but Tora optimization and SHINING EYE OF JUSTICE
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i was talking about general gameplay
And that general gameplay is a simplified version of 2 since they threw away many mechanics which served to balance it. The moment they decided that Driver and Blade were going to be the exact same in combat they should have thrown away the focus on Driver/Blade/Fusion Combo and the Elemental system straight into the garbage and do something like 3 as those mechanics were clearly designed with 2's gameplay in mind
Honestly the CA in 3 are straight up a different gameplay mode and I'd honestly prefer 2 or even 1 if it keeps 3's idea of 1/3 of the bar being one round
>Story
I think 3 has a better story, but 2 has a better ending. Nothing in 2 felt like the gut punch that end of chapter 5 was in 3. >Cast
Disagree. X2 had more zany personalities, but only a few felt grounded in any way, which made them generally less sympathetic. >Music
Probably agree here. X3 is no slouch, but Where We Used To Be and Roaming the Wastes are stellar. Only a few songs in 3 got close to that level. >Villains
50/50 I would say. Malos and Amalthus are way more interesting than X, Y, and Z, but N is just Jin but done way better. >MC
Lol no. Despite Rex growing into a hyperchad after the game, he was a whiny and naive for the most part. Dub did him no favors. Noah is more standard JRPG protag, but it works for the story more I think. >Waifus
Probably true. Eunie is a slag and Sena is boring, but Mio is pretty great. Hard to beat the Aegis though.
>MC
Rex I like because he has a pretty strong yet subtle character arc and shows a very realistic aspect of life, that there are simply things about the world you cannot change immediately but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try and better it.
Noah’s arc is more so about a dude trying to achieve his goals in his own terms but comes at the cost of losing everything. He realizes that he is holding himself back and if he does he will not achieve anything in the end. That’s the whole deal with his autism of Lucky Seven
No, I'm not. Like I said, N is just Anakin Skywalker except instead of his son redeeming him, it's another him. I'm honestly tired of tragic, sympathetic villains.
Malos is interesting because his natural instinct is to destroy everything, but it's shown that it bothers him quite a bit that he doesn't really understand where this comes from. There is a reason why the only question he asks the Architect is if the instinct is a part of him or a part of Amalthus. He even seems to be satisfied with the Architects answer that it's really both, since his instinct is there from Amalthus, but it was his own actions and will that hardened it into who he is.
The thing I miss the most from 2 are the cities
Seeing such different and colorful places was such a nice change of pace from 1, although 1 had better dungeons
Not nothing but the biggest issue is the area themes just aren't there the way they are for XB2 or XB1.
I can hum all of 2's and most of 1's zone themes. I can do that now, at least a year out from a playthrough of either, while I can barely remember 3's area themes WHILE I'm playing.
I do quite like the battle themes of 3, I think they stand up well alongside 2's and above 1's. But the area themes are what you hear 99% of the time so those should be better
Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
>Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
tbf xeno 1 also fricked this up really hard by playing that visions of the future song after the prediction gets broken, which happens 99% of the fricking time
>Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
I'm surprised by how so many people are bothered by this, while no one complaint about it in 1 from what I've seen. The chain attack music in 3 at least still frickin slaps compared to 1's absolutely dogshit override tracks THAT NEVER GOES AWAY FOR THE WHOLE DURATION OF THE FIGHT.
People have always complained about musical interruptions, be it vision reacts or the skell flying theme or whatever
I agree that the xc3 chain attack theme is at least good on its own, i fricking hated wir gaygin for shitting up everything and taking away all the intensity but people excuse it for some reason
i like 3's area themes more actually, its more in line with 1's themes, soft walk-around-a-dying-world kinda feel, while doesnt get grating on the ears like FRICKING GORMOTT THEME STOP PLEASE. the horrible remix in Torna didnt help either. but then the lack of experiment also robbed us of the banger that is Roaming the wastes
Music in 3 was the weakest out of all three games. Nothing as memorable as 1 or 2.
What sticks out like a sore thumb is the fricking menu music. Who the FRICK thought that would be a good idea? The area music is not bad, though it's a step back compared to XC2 (and not having any towns worth a shit really didn't help XC3. Where is my Fonsa Myma Night? Where are Theosoir's themes? Where is my Alba Cavanich Night? let's not even get into Auresco territory).
But the fricking menu music breaking everything, man. They better not do that shit ever again in the next iterations.
3's story is on the same level for me, at least up to chapter 5.
Cast of characters is about equal for me.
Music and Villains are WAY in favor of 2 though. Moebius is cool, Torna is fantastic.
MC is about equal for me too. Hard to compare given the different stories
Waifus is also about equal. 2 has more but each of 3's gets more screen time
>story
debatable >cast of characters
absolutely fricking not >music
debatable >villains
yeah alright i'll give you that one >MC
homie you can't be serious >waifus
ah so you're a coomer, that explains a lot
Is this game actually good? I saw gameplay of the prior game and the voice acting, moronic in-combat dialogue and the general look of the characters all turned me off immensely.
I'm "only" halfway through Chapter 6 and the biggest gripe I have with the story are the Mebius. Out of the 25, like 20 are nothing but filler/cannon fodder. I really think it was a mistake having so many supposedly powerful villains.
Even the main ones get curbstomped after they beat you up a bit.
I liked the bad guys in 1 and 2 more.
I think having a league of 20+ villains makes sense in context. This is a council of beings who are keeping an entire world under their heel. It's more plausible to have a higher number of individuals overseeing the daily machinations of things.
That is exactly the point, though. They are supposed to appear powerful but in the end they are weak and afraid. The last few of them you fight are barely above the regular fodder mobs you fight, they don't even get death cutscenes, the battle ends like a regular enemy and you just move on.
Repost from yesterday.
I've been killing the titans in Origin, here's how it works. >level down to around level 50 or so with all your characters, also change difficulty to easy >play as noah, equip him with the skill that lets you start battle with the talent art charged (from flash fencer) and give him unlimited sword as his talent >fast travel to defense tower #1 in origin
Here there's two elite giants you're going to kill to farm class xp. How to is different depending on whether Noah is an attacker or tank/healer >attacker: draw L7 and spam the B art over and over again, eventually Doom wil proc and the titan will instantly die >tank/healer: draw L7, instantly go into ouroboros level 0 with noah, then spam his arts/talent arts until the giant's dead. you should have more than enough time if the game's on easy
Then to quickly reset the enemies, target one of the remaining giants, press A to enter battle, then hold - to give up, which will respawn you at the same place but the enemies will be back and you keep your XP.
Once you get to level 60 or so you go to a rest spot to level down again.
Here's a webm of how it works when you're a healer, can't show the full fight because it's longer than 30 seconds.
Xenoblade 1 left art descriptions offscreen until you hovered over them, so you only had to have one visible at once. It also had a less obtrusive set of party HP gauges, no flowchart in the upper right, no control of party members except for a contextual prompt when you were close, and a less obtrusive enemy HP gauge as well.
after killing the second giant i just run through and jump off the ledge and die rather than going into the menu. respawns all the enemies. can do this anywhere you can have a nice day rather than teleporting out and back into zones too.
should also mention you should load up with break/topple/daze/burst arts and go farm 6 monastic necklaces first. doesn't take TOO long maybe 30 mins. it drops off otherworldly rodsin google where he is. im sure you could get away with 4 or 5 and shift it around off S rank classes but to me its easier to just make sure all 6 are wearing one at all times. remember to reequip when you change classes.
every time my food ran out i'd level the party down to 1 and noah to 60, he'd be high 60s by the time food ran out again. as far as i could tell the CP gains were still high even in high 60s and the higher you get the less likely you are to go down to attacks if you get bad doom rng.
also to make it more entertaining use the Fast recharge when non defender is targeted skill and also the item with the same effect on noah. if you have both it will recharge almost instantly and you can spam cancel the B fusion into itself. dont think it makes a huge difference but i found it funny even after a few hours
Definitely. Though as it stands, XC2 is a more satisfying package. I reserve my final judgement when the Expansion Pass releases, it may change my perception of things. Though fact is a DLC expansion shouldn't have that power in the first place, meaning there's a problem somewhere.
dont know who chronos consumers are
theres nothing redeeming about the series
who buys this shit
cringe cutscenes, cutscnenes where you always die after winning the boss fights, shitty pseudo turn based gameplay
id rather just play a good rpg like breath of fire 4
While I'm inclined to agree that 2 has a better villain, I'm not sure why anyone would bring up Malos or Jin instead of Amalthus since he's literally the only good one
This. Amalthus had an excellent villain arc. And he looks the part too. I never liked Malos. He just looks like a gym bro. Nothing about him seems menacing or threatening
he's fricking terrible, his motivation is all over the place and it makes no sense he'd become leader of the strongest faction after awakening malos instead of being ostracized if not executed. it's not like any of them knew for a fact killing amalthus wouldn't return malos to his core crystal, the should've at least tried
I don't remember much of 2, but who would "they" be? Aren't all the higher powers in that world in bed with him, or benefit from his core crystal syndicate thing?
From a purely gameplay perspective how does this compare to 2, mainly just combat to be even more specific
I'm sure the map design and music are equally good, and the story is probably fine, so I just want to know is the combat good?
Also Eunie has a big butt it seems, that's cool
If you're comparing final states with all mechanics unlocked the combat in 2 is more complex and more fun for me because of its complexity. The combat in 3 is simplified but also more polished (no role is useless, whereass healers were garbage in previous games), which could appeal to others.
its... different
Kevesi (xc1) classes are slower, but Agnian (xc2) classes are button mashing fes. proper team comp is more important here, healer is mandatory to survive some encounters, and tanks are more finnicky. Hard is actually hard (until mid-late game), and chain attack is somewhat slow but satisfying to plan things around
tldr its fun
If you're comparing final states with all mechanics unlocked the combat in 2 is more complex and more fun for me because of its complexity. The combat in 3 is simplified but also more polished (no role is useless, whereass healers were garbage in previous games), which could appeal to others.
hmm alright maybe ill "legally" download this game onto my pc then
It's fun lategame, terrible when you have to deal with Keves-arts only in the beginning.
But it doesn't have the kickass hype as frick battle narrator. Therefore it's less fun than XC2. But still fun with all the game breaking builds you can do. Not that it really matters though.
>the kickass hype as frick battle narrator
Genuinely why was this in the game
Not that I dislike it, but for some reason I've never questioned its existence until I read your post
the answer was "why the frick not"
2 was a jumbled mess of a game, development wise, so theres a bunch of weird janks tackled on cus the dev team just felt like it. iirc in an interview the way-too-many-fricking-shops was added cus "it feels wrong for people to just stand around doing nothing in a town, so we padded it out"
I really don't get how people defend 2 so fervently >All villains are "had an aboo boo so now I want everyone dead, but not really I just don't know how else to vent my 500 year old sadness 🙁 " because no one can be really evil >Let's have 2 characters die at the start of the game but they magically come back, so when one really dies you expect them to revive, and by the time they realize he won't, we're already having funny anime "staring at breasts? kyaa" scenes > Let's try that again for the ending of the game where it makes no sense for Pyra or Mythra to just revive with their memories after the conduit, the source of energy, disappeared into another dimension, but have a whole scene to trick players anyway >Rex should have a self doubt scene to show he's not perfect but let's put it at the worst possible point in the story, after we show Pyra is willing to kill herself for him but he just goes "nah someone else take care of it, I'm out" without even wanting to help put together a rescue team or something > Zeke whacky chuuni does a near 180 when he joins the party so what was the point other than ecks dee anime > MEH MEH MEEEEEEH
Also why the frick does Tantal have english vocals, at least the Praetorium had the chorus but WILL OUR SUFFERING EVER COME TO AN EEeeeEEeeND is just there and man, does it get tiring after the 10th loop
>MALOS IS SO GOOOOOOD BROS WOOOOOOOO NUKE MAN SAID LITTLE SHIT >Z is literally just him again but no one likes him
?
Amalthus is literally right there but no 2gays always go for Malos and Jin, the worst cliches played straight
Ironicly its Amalthus that makes Malos a way better villain than Z could ever be. While both of them essentially ammount to concepts by the end, Malos the embodiment of humanities nature of self destruction, and Z Humanities fear and self doubt, Z has no redeeming character to play off of other than "theres some moebius in all of us". Its like if Nyx in persona 3 had no Nyx avatar to make anyone give a shit about it. N could've been the Amalthus to Z's Malos, but Z was a concept well before we even see early Noah.
Battle system is mostly fun but your party shifting into robot form never seems to help the tide of battle, especially if it’s your tank or healer switching over. It’s just a good way to end up dead. Love most of the classes but some of them seem borderline useless like the archer chick or the sword and shield paladin. Story is all over the fricking place and is passable at the best of times. Characters change their deeply held beliefs on a whim after talking to you for like 30 seconds, it gives you whiplash. Performance on the switch is okay though the game goes all “fuzzy” when a lot is happening and it looks weird. World exploration is top notch.
>t. hasn't finished the game
The development and characterisation in this game is a lot more subtle, and sometimes you have to talk to the NPCs in between side quests to see how their views are slowly changing.
The heroes tend to be all over the place with writing. Juniper kind of sucks in most ways, but then you have heroes like Ashera and Triton who are genuinely awesome and it feels baffling that the same person who wrote those wrote shit like Valdi and Juniper.
considering how much of a moron ashera and her colony is I wasn't expecting her sidequests to be so touching
it's probably my favorite out of all of them
>takes son to the middle of a forest when it was his last day >goes "my son, with mine and your mother's death, you are officially a JRPG protagonist, I hope one day you'll get a game of your own" >fades into light and leaves his kid to fend off on his own
Why did N/Noah do this
Yes the villains in 3 suck in terms of depth.
But they're meant to all be petty buttholes who want to watch the world burn because if they can't be happy, no one else can either. This includes Z; who's clearly symbolic for humanity's depression. He sits around in his kinoplex, keeping himself entertained with stuff that ultimately has no real meaning, ignores the fact that his world is literally ending, leaves important tasks to others, barely interacts with anyone outside of trying to make them miserable too, but at the same time he's just as afraid of the future/death as the average person, and when someone questions him on his actions he replies as if it's just for "amusement" but when pressed further he breaks down claiming he hates everything.
All of them are like that; literally none of them want to exist, but all of them are too scared to actually die or kill themselves. The ones our party actually manage to break through with words, all commit a form of suicide; because they realized they messed up and finally got the courage to "change", even if it's not ideal.
Moebius, thematically are a fine villain group. The only issue is that there are 26 of them
I agree but I think the transition from them seeming like big bads at the start of the game to actually just being kind of losers by the end could have been done better.
There's this dissonance the moment you have to do Valdi's quest and it kind of just continues on with each side quest but it isn't really explained until much later on.
I think Moebius and the consuls are canonically absurdly powerful, it's just that Oroborous is canonicallly more so. Keep in mind that while consuls become fodder near the end of the game, even the weakest of consuls is strong enough to wipe out Gold colonies essentially by themselves, as shown with D destroying prior Eunie's colony by himself and L wiping out the unnamed one with X supervising. Keep in mind that in a 1v1, every Moebius still absolutely wrecks all the Oroborous except for possibly Noah.
I don't get it, unless you mean the simulation as Aionios as a whole, which is kind of like saying "well they are only powerful because the rules of the universe say so".
I think Valdi's was just a bad main hero mission to include at the very start. The way the consul ends is comical and , while it is a twist that he appears again, at that point in the game it muddies up how you view the consuls from then on in my opinion
think of Origin as a giant core crystal and Z the Blade for the whole of humanity, and the corruption similar to how Amalthus "molded" Ontos into Malos
People who say he popped out of nowhere are moronic and can't piece things together.
Humanity created Origin which is seemingly a reality altering supercomputer that contains everyones souls. It seemingly does what the collective will of what people want inside of it.
The original goal is to get it to reboot everything. But people suck and instead, their will spawns Z. Literally everyone's souls are stored within core crystals at the heart of Origin.
It's pretty clear that Z is the equivalent of Malos; except instead of resonating with Amalthus, he resonated with the entirety of humanity stored in Origin.
I mean shit he even has the weird glowy things Blades have
People who say he popped out of nowhere are moronic and can't piece things together.
Humanity created Origin which is seemingly a reality altering supercomputer that contains everyones souls. It seemingly does what the collective will of what people want inside of it.
The original goal is to get it to reboot everything. But people suck and instead, their will spawns Z. Literally everyone's souls are stored within core crystals at the heart of Origin.
It's pretty clear that Z is the equivalent of Malos; except instead of resonating with Amalthus, he resonated with the entirety of humanity stored in Origin.
Yes the villains in 3 suck in terms of depth.
But they're meant to all be petty buttholes who want to watch the world burn because if they can't be happy, no one else can either. This includes Z; who's clearly symbolic for humanity's depression. He sits around in his kinoplex, keeping himself entertained with stuff that ultimately has no real meaning, ignores the fact that his world is literally ending, leaves important tasks to others, barely interacts with anyone outside of trying to make them miserable too, but at the same time he's just as afraid of the future/death as the average person, and when someone questions him on his actions he replies as if it's just for "amusement" but when pressed further he breaks down claiming he hates everything.
All of them are like that; literally none of them want to exist, but all of them are too scared to actually die or kill themselves. The ones our party actually manage to break through with words, all commit a form of suicide; because they realized they messed up and finally got the courage to "change", even if it's not ideal.
Moebius, thematically are a fine villain group. The only issue is that there are 26 of them
He's essentially depressed and doing the divine form of shitposting to make other people miserable and entertain himself.
I hated him at first too, but now that I got a clear grasp of what they were attempting with Moebius, I probably would put him above Zanza. He's a villain who you have to engage with more thematically, rather than logically. Honestly, probably one of my favorite depictions of humanity's collective because it's blunt and suprisingly accurate. No sugarcoating done with a sappy backstory, just played straight.
Can you play this shit (and 2) without the fricking disgusting English voice acting? The accents are vile and I would sooner slam my finger in a car door than willingly listen to that shit.
Shulk gave up the real monado and made the monado rex as a good enough. Why would he get it back? If he did then rex gets pneuma and then noah has um.....just a sharp sword.
It does.
(Pro Tip: Samon's Secret Storage is an often-forgotten landmark by the elevator to Swordmarch - you can access it with a key found in the third dock)
How do I go up to those ruins in the north east, the ones on that big island near the entrance of the cavern to the forgotten colony?
There's no way up unless I missed something, so I assume I have to go through some tunnel, but can't find the way
Yeah I totally get the stance behind the choice since it would be really weird to go from Roaming the Wastes to the solemn off-seer tune on the regular but I won't find myself listening to a few of these field themes on the regular
That said, the City theme is really good
Anyone notice a bug where the NPC heroes do like a 360 degree turn before using their art? In battle I don’t really notice it that much, but pulling off chain attacks is aggravating. Also, randomly my field effects just disappear, sometimes right after they’re cast. It’s weird.
if the field is during chain attack then its because CA uses a very weird time system, where pretty much each "turn" expends the same time a field/buff would stay up, yet doesnt progress the break-topple bar duration much
>DUDE EVERYTRHING HAHS TO BE CONNECTED A IS ELVIS Z IS ZANZA SHULK REX FEI ARE FOUNDERS ETHEL IS MORAG ASHERA IS DUNBAN CAMMURAVI IS PYRA RIKU IS RIKU AIONIOS IS MIRA LUCKY SEVEN IS LOGOS
why are people like this
I know you are exaggerating but for a game that is probably the more direct sequel to both games, it will reference aspects of them and explain how things came to be in the now. Plus it doesn't help that dev comments don't seem to align with the Base Game's Content, we're probably going to have a lot of those deeper cuts in the DLC story.
>Plus it doesn't help that dev comments don't seem to align with the Base Game's Content, we're probably going to have a lot of those deeper cuts in the DLC story.
considering the former I don't understand how anyone can trust anything that they say moving forward short of massive backlash that forces them to get better PR
>Sauron has yet to reveal his deadliest servant. The one who would lead Mordor's armies in war. The one they say no living man can kill: the b***hqueen of Angmar.
>Sauron has yet to reveal his deadliest servant. The one who would lead Mordor's armies in war. The one they say no living man can kill: the b***hqueen of Angmar.
>it's another thread where 2onlies pretend Rex was a complex character, and not a boiletplate MC with general positive everyperson qualities that brainlets could self-insert into
yep! loving it. Not sure why XB3 got so much hate. It is the best story, cast, gameplay, and maybe music of each xenogame. It really is being hated on by people who haven't played a minute of it. It's such a concentrated effort, we "need to find out who the real enemy is" lol
I love the story so far too. I'm in chapter 6 and Chapter 4 and 5 blew me out of the water
Just a warning anon post-chapter 6 is easily the most controversial portion of the story because it becomes more about it's themes rather than the characters. And somehow the themes still go over peoples heads.
Story has some nice characters moments, but some really frustrating plot "don't think about it" moments (Riku and the sword, Ouroboros, black fog, half assed big tech ball explanation, ... ). We shall see if DLC conclude some loose threads.
Music has some pretty good themes, but I find some field themes a bit weak.
Combat is pretty good, but I still prefer xb2 somehow.
Regions are a mishmash of previous games with some cool callbacks, but riding on nostalgia more than anything. I found the game lacking on memorables places like Satorl Marsh or Uraya. Agnus Castle was a great disapointement in particular, you see it floating from a lot of places, and when you get to it it's a single room, not an Auresco like mini town.
>starts telling them the process >mid story he realized they are teenangers they would never save the wirld because they’d be too busy having nonstop sex >ends up telling them the stork story instead
He might have saved both worlds by doing this.
The scene immediately following that is Noah and Mio seeing a kissing couple on the street and looking at each other awkwardly, so they probably got the whole story
Can anyone give me the specific person, item, or requirement needed to start the Unease quest at Mu? I've ascended just about everyone else, but I can't seem to get anything started at Mu. Is there a star level requirement for them to pop?
Pretty sure the implication from the kinoplex is that Z literally knows everything happening on Aionios but rarely intervenes unless it's for people that interest him (like saving N).
>early gamma and 9 grunt fell for it cus they never had the chance to talk it out >Ethel only fell for it cus Noah was just a passing kid back when she saved him >Isurd definitely wont fall for it due to him knowing Taion well, and hes more of a calm and collected kind of guy. Thus J had to use negative emotion infused mud puppets instead >Cammuravi fricking ripped out his own eye and gave the middle finger to the consuls for interfering with his heated battle sex with Ethel
Yes. It’s entirely dependant on if Consuls assume direct control of their Colony like K did with Ethel and Colony 9.
The control isn’t all the time.
While they aren’t being controlled they simoly have orders to capture or kill Ouroborus sent down by the chain if command (consuls)
Fighting is cooldown style MMO combat
These games are single player MMOs with fun characters, massive in scale locations, and interesting concepts.
There is grind. There is autism.
Emulate the first xenoblade if you want a taste but I don’t know if I’d suggest 3 furst.
i would say going with 2 would give a slightly """"better"""" impression regarding gameplay cus 1's fricking suck early. Other parts are debatable and i dont want to go into that mess right now
as a new cummer who never played this kind of game, is it worth ?
I looked at fights videos but I don't know still..
id say go in either in 1 (plus future connected) > 2 > Torna > 3 or 2 > 1 > Torna > future connected > 3 are both valid order. The former for a "progression" in term of gameplay and general game feel, or the latter to prevent you from burning out of a game system too much
>it amuses me
is unironically one of the most genius excuses when you think about it. Z is the embodiment of the human psyche, and it is in human nature to act irrationally in pursuit of enjoyment.
Level it up solely for completion and Juniper's quests, because it's dogshit and a contender for worst class in the game
Can't a class just be shit? That seems to be what they were going for when they made Stalker
It's a bad class.
it IS a shitty class. Just get the field art on a tank and maybe debuff res down skill and promptly toss the class into the trash
a shame, the green cat is cute
Thanks for the advice frens. Any other classes that i should avoid sticking too long too?
Machine Assasin later on.
It's a class based on debuffs, the issue being that enemies resist debbufs A LOT. It has an art that can lower enemy debuff resistance, but that one can also be resisted.
It's a mess.
it IS a shitty class. Just get the field art on a tank and maybe debuff res down skill and promptly toss the class into the trash
a shame, the green cat is cute
I can't believe we got desert themes that were just "okay" in 3. Especially after X's and 2's. Desert themes are without exception the best video game tracks, and here it felt like a letdown. Thank god there's at least 15 seconds of Dannagh's Desert theme that's good. After like 3 minutes.
I think it's funny that people always defend the XC3 OST for being "subdued" to fit the theme of the game more, but it's not like XC2 didn't have loads of subdued songs in form of the night themes that each and every one completely mogs everything in 3 on their own. Some examples:
Like, it's not like I hate XC3's OST, in fact it's grown on me quite a bit, and I get that it's literally impossible to follow up the act that was XC2's OST, but let's not trick ourselves into believeing XC3's soundtrack has got shit on 2's.
2's area themes are timeless, but I think 3's battle themes come out on top
All 3 games have a great soundtrack on the whole though, so not sure why this argument is so prominent at the moment
3 will get all the accolades, rewards and recognition for it's great ost, but 2's soundtrack was a masterpiece, and it will never get a fraction of what 3 will get.
Thought it was kind of hackneyed and obvious at first, but I actually kind of liked him near the end.
Basically was just a loser who was always destined to be a loser, and didn't realize the one life where he made the biggest impact and surpassed his "destiny" to suck is the one where he thought he sucked the hardest.
How is he so fat despite living in a world where intense military training is something everyone must go through and where only the best of the best colonies get to eat well? guess some people really are cursed to have fat bodies
yes I remember the cutscene, where he skips one drill to carve wood, but I'm sure he can't fricking skip every single session....plus where is he getting all those calories from? is he a nopon hybrid?
>Eunie side story >a gold colony just got fricking wiped >you can actually run back there and loot supreme tenderloin, the meat every soldiers want from a warehouse
this is both dark, and hilarious
Holy crap didn't realize how much they improved side quests in 3. Playing XC2 and these side quests are completely dogshit. In Gormott and these side quests already making me want to sudoku.
At least those were fast (I think). These Black folk making me collect 7 rare mats then saying "oh btw, forgot to tell you, collect 10 of this too" when you return. The Colony Tau tirkin quests were unironically less annoying.
>XC1 >Take a sidequest >99/100 odds you can literally forget about it >XC3 >Take a sidequest >Has clear objectives and is a mini-narrative, relatively snappy >XC2 >Take a sidequest >"Go to location X and look for object Y" >You have already been there before, it was not a landmark so you have to walk back there your damn self >You go there >Sluggish cutscene where you get attacked >Fight enemies >Repeat three fricking times
Is it really cherrypicking if it's part of the deliberate first impression the game gives you of sidequests? That is what Monolithsoft CHOSE to open with. Why should anyone expect things to improve if that's the best foot they chose to put forward?
Irrelevant. You can't take one quest and say it's the whole game
it really isn't cherrypicking
It's like if I brought up the godawful Nopon quest chain in Satorl Marsh which requires to do a back and forth between what you were supposed to do and the quest giver which is annoying since the fast travel point isn't close enough to him and I said it was the whole game, which is the very definition of cherrypicking
anon pls, while all 3 games have the most mundane kill/fetch objectives ever, at least 3 had the "something" nice attached. Kinda like Torna i guess
some of 1 got that nice relationship stuffs going or just plain ignorable, but 2? jesus frick stop forcing me to do merc quests or do long fricking treks through already explored areas. Im actually mildly surprised 3 put teleport waypoints near long winded areas that might be quest related like the storage in swordmarch or colony iota's secret cave
>esus frick stop forcing me to do merc quests or do long fricking treks through already explored areas.
Merc Missions come uo for the Blade Quests 99% of the time which are meant to be longer and require more effort and I have no idea what you're talking about for the second thing implying its not the same for the other games
XC3 is just a bit more refined in hiding its monotony with unique dialogue. The most common trope is that you run into a named NPC that you've maybe talked with during the main plot before or during some hero quest, they have a problem and then the party says "Oh we'll help you out to kill those 10 bunnits that are bothering you at night don't worry". Sometimes you'll have someone, most likely Eunie go "oh I guess it's that time again" or "I can guess who's gonna go and solve this problem".
there's a tau quest much later on that involves some autist doing a ritual in the lower wildwood area and almost dies but is saved by the tirkins, if you break the alliance do they kill that guy instead?
The quest with the fricking Nopon (regular) sage in Makna. This fricker made me go back and forth to him for more time than I can count. Worst quests ever.
The only thing that really improved is the dialogue, or rather the fact that all the party members get to say something meaningful rather than the npc talking to himself and the party saying "Yeah" in 2 or an actual relevant line if you have that one specific party member in 1 in the active party. The rest is the same garbage with somehow even more back and forth, thank god for that option to go to the map near the quest objective allowing you to select the closest fast travel point or it would be unbearable
How many fellow anons got filtered by him/Moebius before "getting it". I swear he clicks with me the more I think about it, he went from the worst villain in the series to at least good tier and climbing.
I honestly was kind of baffled by the hate he got. I never thought he was incredible or anything, but I always liked him as a villain.
I feel like everyone needs the villain to have some horrible tragic past or great reasons for being who they are, but Z is just a bastard who is so far beyond humanity and so done with existence that literally nothing really bothers him, either good or bad. He is more of a critique on humanity than anything, and I think a pretty biting one at that.
This anon got it right. Moebius/Z are just apathetic/depressed buttholes (remember even Z does have some individuality, he's not entirely just meant to be a concept) that really captures how shit people can really be.
He sits in his theater watching something that ultimately doesn't actually matter (since the entire war is pointless outside of harvesting life).
He lets all of his avatars do his work for him, and never fights for his ideals.
He's essentially a godlike being that doesn't do anything to help the world (remember annihilation events are destroying Aionios slowly). And he ignores the existence of annihilation events anyways.
He copes by saying everything is going as "planned" for his amusement.
When he does take an interest in others (N and the other consuls) his main goal is to make them just as miserable as he is.
When his thoughts are challenged; he breaks down (I HATE IT) and copes because he cannot imagine a future where things are better.
Basically Z, and the Moebius in their entirety are a critique on how apathy can cause the destruction of the world. Which is pretty accurate nowadays irl. Instead of focusing on fixing/improving the future; they're all content with suffering and maintaining status quo because other's misery makes them feel like they're not miserable.
Basically in a ham-fisted irl metaphor what I'm saying is Moebius are elites, soldiers are just regular people, annihilation events are a metaphor for global warming.
I honestly was kind of baffled by the hate he got. I never thought he was incredible or anything, but I always liked him as a villain.
I feel like everyone needs the villain to have some horrible tragic past or great reasons for being who they are, but Z is just a bastard who is so far beyond humanity and so done with existence that literally nothing really bothers him, either good or bad. He is more of a critique on humanity than anything, and I think a pretty biting one at that.
Sure but Metal Face, and D for that matter, have a pretty solid reason for doing what they do- they just like to kill people, the more brutal the better.
Z's reason for doing anything is literally "It amuses me". I think they problem is that people were thinking that people think that Z has to be a Zanza like bastard who is so over the top, rather than just being more muted and done with life.
>Critique on humanity
He literally is humanity my guy. He's not even a villain really... He is just doing what the people stored in Origin want him to do.
You could rewrite this story with Moebius as the good guys quite easily.
Sort of. I'm pretty sure that humanity doesn't want 10 year life spans, of which they are constantly in a never ending war. But you are right that Z and all of Moebius is fundamentally built from humanity's collective fear of the future, particularly when the future looked as bleak as theirs may have.
>10 year life span
They don't have a 10 year life span. They live forever. His function is to protect and preserve the eternal now. Every action he takes is one they want.
This is pretty much spelled out for you right before he is defeated in his final cutscene.
>Critique on humanity
He literally is humanity my guy. He's not even a villain really... He is just doing what the people stored in Origin want him to do.
You could rewrite this story with Moebius as the good guys quite easily.
I turned 360 degrees and walked away when he said that
Now I've been going around replying "it amused me" to every post pointing out plot holes On a serious note though I like him a lot more once I realized he's a Blade, so basically just Malos
See this is the problem with why people cry so much about 3's worldbuilding. Everyone wants absolutes, no logical thinking or deducing, everything spelled out for them just so that people can't call them out for having "headcanon" when if you think about it for 5 seconds it makes perfect sense. >duuuude where does Lucky Seven come form why does and why is Riku a c**t >hurr durr why is Origin created half and half in each world >hurr why does Noah and Mio still reincarnate >plsplspls spell everything out for me no symbolisms please
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This anon got it right. Moebius/Z are just apathetic/depressed buttholes (remember even Z does have some individuality, he's not entirely just meant to be a concept) that really captures how shit people can really be.
He sits in his theater watching something that ultimately doesn't actually matter (since the entire war is pointless outside of harvesting life).
He lets all of his avatars do his work for him, and never fights for his ideals.
He's essentially a godlike being that doesn't do anything to help the world (remember annihilation events are destroying Aionios slowly). And he ignores the existence of annihilation events anyways.
He copes by saying everything is going as "planned" for his amusement.
When he does take an interest in others (N and the other consuls) his main goal is to make them just as miserable as he is.
When his thoughts are challenged; he breaks down (I HATE IT) and copes because he cannot imagine a future where things are better.
Basically Z, and the Moebius in their entirety are a critique on how apathy can cause the destruction of the world. Which is pretty accurate nowadays irl. Instead of focusing on fixing/improving the future; they're all content with suffering and maintaining status quo because other's misery makes them feel like they're not miserable.
Basically in a ham-fisted irl metaphor what I'm saying is Moebius are elites, soldiers are just regular people, annihilation events are a metaphor for global warming.
There is tons of logical thinking to be done in this game. It's the logical thinking that goes beyond the scope of anything the game provides you that delves into the realm of headcanon. You aren't in a position to be deducing anything when you are just using the vague information the game provides and turning into your own translation for some head fantasy fanfiction you are writing.
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This anon got it right. Moebius/Z are just apathetic/depressed buttholes (remember even Z does have some individuality, he's not entirely just meant to be a concept) that really captures how shit people can really be.
He sits in his theater watching something that ultimately doesn't actually matter (since the entire war is pointless outside of harvesting life).
He lets all of his avatars do his work for him, and never fights for his ideals.
He's essentially a godlike being that doesn't do anything to help the world (remember annihilation events are destroying Aionios slowly). And he ignores the existence of annihilation events anyways.
He copes by saying everything is going as "planned" for his amusement.
When he does take an interest in others (N and the other consuls) his main goal is to make them just as miserable as he is.
When his thoughts are challenged; he breaks down (I HATE IT) and copes because he cannot imagine a future where things are better.
Basically Z, and the Moebius in their entirety are a critique on how apathy can cause the destruction of the world. Which is pretty accurate nowadays irl. Instead of focusing on fixing/improving the future; they're all content with suffering and maintaining status quo because other's misery makes them feel like they're not miserable.
Basically in a ham-fisted irl metaphor what I'm saying is Moebius are elites, soldiers are just regular people, annihilation events are a metaphor for global warming.
meanwhile in 1 >"oops, I, a normal human being scientist, accidentally the whole universe" >"better create life with my bare hands" >no one bats an eye
Nobody wants absolutes.
They just don't want online schizo's interpreting the story in the most autistic way possible when the game isn't that hard to interpret to begin with.
So if someone says they like Rex more than Noah you can just ignore their opinion on everything, right?
Noah is not just the best written xenoblade protag he is one of the better written jrpg characters in years.
In contrast... Rex is literally one of the worst...
Really? I play a decent amount of JRPG's and I can't think of a better character than Noah in a JRPG in quite a while.
Who do you think is better or what didn't you like about him?
I don't give a shit about Z, if I wanted to fight concepts as (actual) final bosses, I'd play Persona. Give me mechs final bosses, holy shit,at least the meaty phase of the boss fight. I'm paying to play a Xeno.
Sawano did excellent field themes. But overall if I can't have Mitsuda for the scenes and ACE/Kiyota/Hiramatsu for the rest, I'll take Kajiura for the whole package.
>Cammuravi, after spending his infancy sucking on Pyra tiddy, beelined for the biggest booba in Aionios as soon as he was able to, literally died penetrating her, and then when he reincarnated he found and raised her to be his milkmaid daughter-wife
I can't even be jealous of a man with such drive as that, god bless him
I do like XB2's OST more than 3 but 3 does a really good job of incorporating the music into the scenes to give it a more higher production/cinematic feeling.
XB2 tracks get the emotion of the scene across pretty well usually but it's just background music generally.
Most people also don't even pay attention to this sort of shit and it doesn't matter anyway.
Keves battle theme flute raped my ears, I'm glad it switched to Agnus kickass battle theme with a bit of Monster Surprised You in it.
Only to realize you don't hear much because you kill everything in 10 seconds, and if you ever have a fight that lasts more, it's because there's an Elite monster in it, or a quest/story related battle that will either have yet an Elite in it, or another battle theme playing.
Sure but if you want to advertise yourself as an authority on a game you should probably play the damn thing on actual difficult difficulties. The guy never touched hard mode once
hard isnt even that hard tho, it mostly punishes diving into mobs without any care and expect to just AoE them all away. Granted even that part got done in by UNBOUND EDGE DRAGON TAIL UNBOUND EDGE DRAGON TAIL midway into the game
normal fights just end too easy too fast to even see boss's mechanics, and makes for boring fights
Huh? The hard part about hard mode is the bosses, because your damage and healing is so low and the bosses actually do damage to your party. Try tanking with a Zephyr on hard and they'll most likely get their shit kicked in before you kit them out in good accessories and gems. You might even need to run with a War Medic or Lifesage just to fill out the healing needs.
i meant "normal mode" fights get boring fast. And yea boss fights are tougher in hard too, but with some good planning (and/or war medic with that accessory that 100% refresh your cd upon reviving) its not that tough. Maybe a "let non healer revive" item on a tank as a back up
hard is definitely hard what the frick are you talking about?
It definitely gets easier near the end and postgame, but in the early game when your class and options are limited, some of the bosses are really hard. I remember the Colony 9 Consul and the Colony 30 Consul absolutely pushing my shit in for the longest time, and the one special Consul with Garvel I literally could not beat after half a dozen attempts (although I was a level below her and was locked into the fight).
The post game is definitely easier than the rest, but hard is literally only easy if you are consistently abusing bonus EXP at camps.
I don't see the issue with playing normal, but the game really isn't that difficult to have to come up with any sort of strategy unless you are doing hard mode. I remember when you fight DJ at Agnes Castle on hard, I was a level higher than him, and his Doom Rain was a near party wipe every time he used it because even if you survive the initial hit, the blaze damage does so much extra damage that even healing immediately may not save you. I was forced to figure out that I could completely circumvent this by having a Stratageos use his debuff guard the second the move started to come out, and after that I was able to manage the fight with not much issue. This was the fight that taught me to really pay attention to the attacks that the enemy is doing, as it can make all the difference between one of your party getting killed and 4 of them getting killed.
The point is that "strats" for Normal may be inefficient at best or actively harmful at worst because you figuring out a simpler problem with a simpler solution that may not carry forward to other fights as easily.
I wish they cut the mio and noah side class quests from the main campaign. i'm on noah's and both really fricked with the pacing. >hmm i'm thinking about this 1 npc from forever ago randomly, better have a mandatory side story >opps just ran into them >oh no another alphabet boss
>Noah, you're our hope Noah. >You know, I never really liked N that much, Noah >Every time I saw M, I just think: "For sparks sake, why wont he snuff her already?" I mean, you saw it too, right? >But no, he wouldn't. But YOU, Noah! You've been to the city, you know the truth! >You could snuff her for good, Noah. Think of all the beautiful children she could bear, Noah! >Our hope, Noah. You are our hope... >Now play her song, Noah. Play it so loud that all of Aionios can hear it and then some, Noah.... Our hope...
Wierd tonal shift but okay
It does feel baffling honestly. It feels like the problem is that Noah and Mio's story is so front and center and central to everything that they don't have a way of incorporating a side story that isn't just literally pulling pieces from the past. At least they were relevant characters in their side stories, unlike Sena in hers.
I didn't really care. If they were side quests instead of forced main quest I would have done them both at around the same time in the game anyway As I imagine most people would have since the game clearly wants you to do those quests at around that point of the game.
To me at it was was the game reminding you and telling you to do the main cast side quests for all the different perks they provide.
There's a lategame class that puts the girls in leotards, Mio's panties can be seen under her pantyhose in her default outfit (and you can make out pantylines on her skirt), every non-flatty has boob jiggle, and the girls' Ouroboros forms are a particular sexy.
I also fully predict that swimsuits will be added in the expansion pass.
I think Xenoblade 3 proves that JRPGs shouldn't have vague/mysterious writing.
Everything should be written simple and easy to understand so people do not get filtered and everyone can appreciate the story.
There is nothing wrong with a tropey story where the main cast lives happily ever after, leaving no room for disappointment.
Agreed?
>where the main cast lives happily ever after, leaving no room for disappointment
the whole point of the story is how the future is uncertain and that's why moving forward instead of just staying on your safezone is so hard, showing exactly what happened to everyone would shit all over it just wait for the DLC to show every single character in the new world(s) living happily ever after, which is the reward for all of their struggles and sacrifice during their existence in Aionios
Some people cant accept this and ita hilarious. Even better is when some try to say that shulk totally banged melia too! When it goes against everything he and fiora are about. Just accept that the blue clollar hardworking chad that is rex had a harem and shulk doesnt and doesnt even want one.
Hard in the early game is just kind of anti-fun because you don't have many tools.
Hard in the middle game is when hard is in its best state and pretty much required to not have the game be a joke
Hard in the late/post game is almost no different from Normal mode.
Just finished the game, 120~ hours.
It's a good game, in some ways it's better than the previous two, but in other ways... not so much.
In the end I feel that this is the weakest Xenoblade game by quite a bit, but still 7/10
I haven't killed ZOD yet but I'm right there and will do it after work.
So far I feel like the story and tone was 9/10 for the first half of the game and then kind of fizzled out.
I didn't enjoy XC2's tone and story all that much for much of the game, but the primary mystery of Elysium and then the fricking AMAZING part of the game when you get to the tree and go up it and the reveals are MUCH MUCH better than this end section of 3.
Unless the ending vastly changes my perception of the game, I am right there with you on that rating.
yeah, it's basically the reverse of what happens with XC2
XC3 is good to great for 80% of the game, but loses steam in chapter 6 and 7
while XC2 is liquid shit for 80% of the game, but the final 2 chapters redeem it
I'd say it's not really the general consensus (because the game is still so new) But it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Not because its deserving to be considered lesser but it's certainly less digestible to the average person when compared to the simple nature of the previous 2 games.
I didn't think this was the case when I beat it but after coming into these threads I'm gonna have to agree.
This game has spawned more headcanon schizo's that didn't understand the game in the slightest. 2 had a fair share of them as well but they don't hold a candle to the amount that 3 has spawned. Normies have issues with thematic story telling which is probably why 3 will be regarded in the same way older Xeno games are and not the ones with more mass appeal like 1/2.
I don't know if the general consensus is 7/10 and worst Xenoblade.
I think Chapter 5/6 being the peak and then it kind of fizzles out in the end is more consensus, but I think every Xeno game has at least one section that fricking sucks ass, and the one for 3 is just meh.
>1 is everything in Mechonis after Machina Village to the fight with Egil cause its boring as shit and just a long annoying grind. >X is honestly the end of the game, since its just "you know all the questions we set up throughout the game to be answered in the end? We aren't going to answer any of them and add a few more. Frick you". >2 was like chapter 2/3 when it decided to be the most cringe anime ever written.
3 got off comparatively easily since its "worst" section was just sort of basic "save the world" shit with a few exceptions that weren't enough to totally make up for it. I think people are harsher than they should be since this is pretty much the only xeno game that doesn't have an 11th hour twist that completely recontextualizes the entire game like 1 and 2 had. I may have preferred a little bit more oomph, but its definitely not fricking awful.
>people are harsher than they should be
Are they? I've literally not seen anyone complain outside of contrarians on Ganker that probably haven't even played the game.
>play through until it's time to wake up miss Queen of Agnus >feel like too much was emotionally resolved at once, hard to work up the motivation to continue
Like, wow, they made it hit hard, but what the frick, couldn't they have saved some gut punches for the end?
i should clarify by this I mean I'm finally being told "go wake her up now", so this is right after the massive string of twists and reveals associated with Mio's fake death.
No.
No Snitch game is worth playing, manchild
Looks pretty playable to me.
Frick of snoy, go play your hallway sim moviegame.
Just wanna tell you it genuinely is before thread sinks in a way or another
Slow start just like all Xenoblade games however
I'm starting to wonder if these games can ever be fun to play for the first 30 hours. I'm really hoping the combat becomes more active soon after the 2nd chapter.
You get the full party right after ch 1 and you unlock all the master arts at around lvl 40 which isn’t too bad if you unlock all classes and do side quests
the first game had a decently fast start imo, at least compared to the others in the series
I've been wondering that myself. I need to give 2 a more proper try before I consider getting it though, I didn't get into it when I tried it, but pretty much everyone I've seen talk about Xenoblade pretty consistently said the combat sucks until it clicks and then you love it, so idk
XBC2 combat is fricking shit until you unlock auto attack cancels and art cancels, which requires SP grinding on each character to unlock. It doesn't get that deep either and the most interesting thing is shattering elemental orbs, otherwise it's the same topple shit as XBC.
Don't even get started on the broken nature of some of the mechanics or how overdeveloped/pointless some systems were like the Elemental Combo/Sealing system.
After slogging through it over the course of a year I finally finished xbc2.
I want to play 3 but I'm concerned that I'll be shooting myself in the foot by not having played 1 or torna.
Should I try and hit either or both of those first?
Nothing in Torna is mentioned or even referenced in 3. Torna is also very short by RPG standards, but the game is padded in length because of those stupid mandatory side quests.
The desert is literally straight up from Torna but otherwise yeah
I'd say you'd appreciate how the story goes if you play 1 but I don't think there's anything that really "spoils" it
Thanks anons
XBC is long and drawn out. It's story is pretty shit and filled with clichés. It's basically starts off as a sunday morning cartoon and later on goes down the killing a guy that became a god route. At the end of the story you're just tired and thankful it's finally over. If you're looking to familiarize yourself just watch a story summary since XBC3 hardly uses anything besides its setting a few characters.
Yes, the game is the best JRPG of the last decade and the best of the trilogy
I'm maybe about halfway through. Played for 40 hours but I've been doing fricking everything and dicking around.
>Game starts REALLY slow worse than any other Xenoblade game. Expect it to be very linear early on
>Mid way through Chapter 3, game opens up, giving a lot of quest, Colonies to visit, ect. Easy to get lost in doing random shit, more so than XC1 or 2.
>Areas are pretty good. Has more of an X feel.
>Combat feels like a better version of 1. Can still cancel Fusion Arts and regular arts after a story event
>Classes give you a ton of variety and a lot of experimentation without 2's gacha
>Story has some real kino moments. Less light hearted than 2.
>Villains look dumb as frick and aren't as memorable
I like it the more I play it, but again, I think I'm only midway through. If you get it, just expect the first part of it is a slog. I'd recommend doing the early quest in Colony 9 as you get them, and once the characters meet up, book it until you get Valdi. Still, I'd recommend it.
Lucky Taion…
i actually like the 1st part leading to ch2 finale a lot, but only if you roleplay a strict soldier and never deviate from your path (until you realize you can aka ch3). ch1 and 2 finale were so raw its great
id recommend getting the heroes by the order they appear in the class list too, except Zeon. Save Zeon for after Teach and Valdi cus B is a b***h
you will be shackled and you will like it
I think on a second playthrough Id appreciate it more. Its just hard when you get all the characters and you don't get any quest. It just makes it feel like your being drug along.
honestly the game opened up for me chapter 2 when I went back to the old colonys before I even met the mechanic healer guy, Got a new traversal option from there and started finding the hidden spots and hidden ferronis and the edgy gun boi hero
It’s pretty great and has its flaws but some form of context on 1 and 2 would help you a lot.
If you’ve played them already then 3 is a no brainer.
Yeah, it's fun
100 hours in now, still have quite a few side quests to finish before finishing the final chapter
yes
Xenoblade Chronicles 2, compared to 3, has (a) better:
-Story
-Cast of characters
-Music
-Villians
-MC
-Waifus
I found Noah to be a boring protagonist and N is just Anakin Skywalker. Metsu/Malos is how a real villain is done.
Also zones. Not in a gameplay sense, but conceptually far more interesting.
I agree on everything besides waifus and music, they are on the same high level as before
>cast of characters
Disagree.
>3 was better till ch 6-7 and made up for it with its ending
>3 still has a better cast
>different approach, 2 has more memorable area themes but 3 has nice ambience. Both are good tho
>true
>I like Noah and Rex for different reasons
>3 is better
This tbh
The frick is people unable to catergorize something as being different and not being better or worse? Is it autism?
I will agree about Zed being pretty lame though.
>MC
Come on. Rex is as stock as they come.
Noah has no personality and barely any character until the end of chapter 5. Rex's biggest problem is that he screams a lot and has goofy clothes.
He's established as a pacifist and a reluctant fighter, but who isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in and make the tough calls. What do you mean by no character? He's just way more grounded compared to >muh Salvager's Code Rex and teen Shulk.
What I mean is he's boring.
I think Noah has always been more introspective as a whole and he is much quieter as a result. As a result people tend to think he is boring, especially since his partners are Lanz and Eunie. But he carries himself with a quiet confidence that is more nuanced, and only in chapter 5 when that confidence is broken do really see the more desperate and hopeless side.
Rex sort of has a similar moment in Chapter 7, but it's relatively pretty brief. He gets his ass handed to him and basically quits, but it doesn't take long for him to snap out of it.
>better villains
Malos literally has no motivation
He says so himself he has no idea why he's doing what he does
Great villain there, lad.
Just because the character himself doesn't understand it doesn't mean it's not explained through the story, so if you personally didn't understand it, you're probably just dumb.
You don't actually truly believe any of that because it's not true.
You're just adamantly feeling the need to use 2 to shit on 3 like a trained dog because there's less skin in the character designs
You're a shell of a man.
No. I don't hate Xenoblade Chronicles 3, but 2 is a superior game.
Let me guess, you probably think 3 is better because you believe it's deeper, complex and more "philosophical?"
No gacha
Plot more like 1
No anime cutscenes
Already better by default
I think it has better character moments.
I think it’s conceptually ‘deeper’ but I don’t like that makes it better, just different. I don’t want XB2 part 2.
2 does a lot of things really well but for the things it doesn’t it really salts the earth of ‘how good it was’ when I look back at it.
I don’t want to fumble around with blades to set up field skills.
I don’t want to deal with gacha. I don’t want to lose a fight with Malos and Jin 3 times in a row.
I don’t want to shove cake and boardgames down Praxis’ throat for an hour to increase her affinity.
The most interesting thing to me about Xeno games is the world and how our heroes live in it and live with eachother.
3 did that very well.
Also in a personal level I was annoyed at how inconsistent 2ms tone was. Sometimes it’d go for very serious and other times they do the anime antics and flare eyes and then never do it again.
2 is a great game fir different reasons than three and is an absolute mess for other reasons.
Many 2 fans literally only like and defend it because of the softcore porn in it
That's it
Even back then I thought 1 was a way better game than it.
So is it literally because Schreier told you that it's a e-girl hentai game that you redditors hate it? In the entire world of Japanese media to classify XC2 as a softcore porn fanservice game is absurd.
If you were right then there wouldn't have been literally thousands of threads of morons screaming about XB3 being "censored" because Eunie isn't in a bikini
I do not take these coombrains seriously.
They will play genuinely actually bad games like Gal Gun or Senran Kagura just because it has skimpy anime girls
Man does fanza have some awful fricking games for them
Are you actually taking blundergay and his "Xenoblade 3 is the most hated game of 2022" shit seriously?
Anon I played the game and not because mythra and pyra, infact I much prefer tights mythra, the only coomer shit in it is the designs and the last bit of 3 showing Rex isn't tied to one woman, the rest is standard anime shit
I think this infighting is moronic and pointing fingers doesn’t help.
The problem is thinking that 3 isn’t just like 2 when ewch game should be weighed on its own merits.
When 2 came out the only thing I saw people b***h about was how wacky it was comapred to 1 and the gacha system but was otherwise loved.
The difference now is how this board has devolved and how thinking on it has changed to “if you love pancakes then that means you hate waffles!” Or more so than usual.
It’s stupid and no sensical and serves only for arguing.
Infighting about games in a series of nothing but bangers is moronic.
The huge thing that 2 has over 3 is the combat, its just not as fun or as fast. In 3 it feels like you're fricking around until chain attack lights up, the its whatever, you can stumble your way through 5 combo chain and you automatically win
.... in contrast to pressing as many A as possible then chain attack at 60%, if you want to use reductionism that hard? 2's biggest problem was how powerful chain attacks were with how easy you can set up orbs randomly by mid-late game. Hell running Mythra Telos alone is enough to launch lock and set up 3 orbs all by themselves in record time.
Yes, its far more interesting stringing element orbs and constantly switching blades and arts, than waiting for shitty fusion arts to get off cooldown in 3. Chain combos were better too, since they're not as braindead in 3
Not to mention how Orbs actually plays against you if you set up too much of them, as the enemy gains the orbs elemental resistance, and will frick you up if you're too greedy as it enters fury.
>chain combo in 2
>not braindead
anon please, bringing 2 of the same element and just rolling shits off from there doesnt require any brain. And people saying 3 took longer than 2 when 2's after-each-turn cutscene is just as long. The only saving grace was the QTEs
also if you rotate your arts properly you pretty much doesnt have any downtimes, fusion or not, in 3. and you are treating as if all blades arent fundamentally the same in 2
tldr: shitting on other game's system by being reductionist wont work. 2 has a nice system going on but its marred by them being absolutely pointless, and worked only as fuel for spamming that A button. If anything Torna got a better, upgraded system (but still has the fundamental shortcoming of all blades game, that chain attacks are OP as frick still)
Chain attack isnt braindead in 2 because it takes some planning before using it. You cant slap 9 fire elements and win. In 3 as long as you have 2 or 3 healers and 1 tank you're fine with using whatever you want and you'll win
> if you rotate your arts properly you pretty much doesnt have any downtimes, fusion or not, in 3. and you are treating as if all blades arent fundamentally the same in 2
now this is a straight up lie. Every blade had a different use and had different skills depending who used it. You had to plan out which type is being used by who if you wanted fusion arts to go anywhere. As far as cooldowns go, just lol dude
>Torna got a better, upgraded system
No. Doing the same Lora > Jin/Hugo > Addam > Mythra and pressing A freely because there's no restrictions for routes is even more braindead if you think 2 is bad. You even get orbs for free because everyone has Orb Master making CA even more broken. It added "Focus on Driver/Blade Combo" options but it's pointless when those are piss easy to do in Torna and the customization is almost non-existent
i was talking about general gameplay, and still got very annoyed at chain attack in Torna being even more braindead, true, plus like half the UE encounter literally mandate you to CA at 50% to clear unless you want to suffer the enrage mechanic
play incursor, set up proper side palette and then we speak
>reversal edge + quickdraw. 1st art refills in 3 ticks and quickdraw is a 17s cd
>side winder (6) paired with anything ~25s cd, like ground beat
>glitter stream + cross impact
>ofc positional pro skill so you can actually use 3 positional arts
open with reversal edge, dash atack cancel into glitter stream and can just cancel into side winder, cancel right into reversal edge again. attack twice, dash to front and fusion reversal edge, to side and fusion glitter stream + cross impact (prep up power charge). by now infinity blade is up. Enjoy your frick huge slash
you just have to plan your shits and pair cds properly. even kevesi healers are fricking fun to play. Granted the only fun to play tank is lone exile but thats the general problem with tanks in this series aside from based Dunban
>do this one specific build and then its the same as 2
like i said, lol dude
its just one example. offensive zephyr, FMJ, multihit stacking strategos are all great fun, you just havent gotten to the proper understanding of the system yet
meanwhile the actually fun setup of 2 wasnt spamming random blades, but Tora optimization and SHINING EYE OF JUSTICE
>i was talking about general gameplay
And that general gameplay is a simplified version of 2 since they threw away many mechanics which served to balance it. The moment they decided that Driver and Blade were going to be the exact same in combat they should have thrown away the focus on Driver/Blade/Fusion Combo and the Elemental system straight into the garbage and do something like 3 as those mechanics were clearly designed with 2's gameplay in mind
Honestly the CA in 3 are straight up a different gameplay mode and I'd honestly prefer 2 or even 1 if it keeps 3's idea of 1/3 of the bar being one round
Chain attacks are way too time consuming with the whole thing about not being able to skip the cutscenes/animations.
>Story
I think 3 has a better story, but 2 has a better ending. Nothing in 2 felt like the gut punch that end of chapter 5 was in 3.
>Cast
Disagree. X2 had more zany personalities, but only a few felt grounded in any way, which made them generally less sympathetic.
>Music
Probably agree here. X3 is no slouch, but Where We Used To Be and Roaming the Wastes are stellar. Only a few songs in 3 got close to that level.
>Villains
50/50 I would say. Malos and Amalthus are way more interesting than X, Y, and Z, but N is just Jin but done way better.
>MC
Lol no. Despite Rex growing into a hyperchad after the game, he was a whiny and naive for the most part. Dub did him no favors. Noah is more standard JRPG protag, but it works for the story more I think.
>Waifus
Probably true. Eunie is a slag and Sena is boring, but Mio is pretty great. Hard to beat the Aegis though.
>dub
why are you giving your opinion when you didn't even play the game
Reminder that the English voices are the canon ones.
You will never be japanese. Xenoblade Chronicles is a western as frick game.
>Xenoblade Chronicles is a western as frick game.
yeah it is now
>MC
Rex I like because he has a pretty strong yet subtle character arc and shows a very realistic aspect of life, that there are simply things about the world you cannot change immediately but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try and better it.
Noah’s arc is more so about a dude trying to achieve his goals in his own terms but comes at the cost of losing everything. He realizes that he is holding himself back and if he does he will not achieve anything in the end. That’s the whole deal with his autism of Lucky Seven
>Malos
>interesting
You are joking right
No, I'm not. Like I said, N is just Anakin Skywalker except instead of his son redeeming him, it's another him. I'm honestly tired of tragic, sympathetic villains.
Then why don’t you love Moebius. They’re the least sympathetic c**ts in the series.
Also by that logic you should be tired of Jin and even Malos.
When you say Moebius, do you refer to the concept or the Consuls? Either way, it's moronic.
Malos is interesting because his natural instinct is to destroy everything, but it's shown that it bothers him quite a bit that he doesn't really understand where this comes from. There is a reason why the only question he asks the Architect is if the instinct is a part of him or a part of Amalthus. He even seems to be satisfied with the Architects answer that it's really both, since his instinct is there from Amalthus, but it was his own actions and will that hardened it into who he is.
>villain is evil because... he's just evil!
I hate to admit it but I agree with you.
The villains in 3 are pretty bad, at least Z(atan) looks cool.
God, Metsu and Jin were really good. I liked the both a lot.
tfw MONADO CYCLONE
Shat my fricking pants when Malos pulled out a Monado.
I feel like most of the moments I liked in 2 are stuff they straight up took or expanded from 1
I only partly agree about music and villains. Other than those I much prefer XC3.
Only Villains are better in 2 and maybe music
The thing I miss the most from 2 are the cities
Seeing such different and colorful places was such a nice change of pace from 1, although 1 had better dungeons
Music in 3 was the weakest out of all three games. Nothing as memorable as 1 or 2.
Not nothing but the biggest issue is the area themes just aren't there the way they are for XB2 or XB1.
I can hum all of 2's and most of 1's zone themes. I can do that now, at least a year out from a playthrough of either, while I can barely remember 3's area themes WHILE I'm playing.
I do quite like the battle themes of 3, I think they stand up well alongside 2's and above 1's. But the area themes are what you hear 99% of the time so those should be better
Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
>Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
tbf xeno 1 also fricked this up really hard by playing that visions of the future song after the prediction gets broken, which happens 99% of the fricking time
>Also, the chain attack music should NOT be kicking in during boss battles with dramatic music
I'm surprised by how so many people are bothered by this, while no one complaint about it in 1 from what I've seen. The chain attack music in 3 at least still frickin slaps compared to 1's absolutely dogshit override tracks THAT NEVER GOES AWAY FOR THE WHOLE DURATION OF THE FIGHT.
People have always complained about musical interruptions, be it vision reacts or the skell flying theme or whatever
I agree that the xc3 chain attack theme is at least good on its own, i fricking hated wir gaygin for shitting up everything and taking away all the intensity but people excuse it for some reason
i like 3's area themes more actually, its more in line with 1's themes, soft walk-around-a-dying-world kinda feel, while doesnt get grating on the ears like FRICKING GORMOTT THEME STOP PLEASE. the horrible remix in Torna didnt help either. but then the lack of experiment also robbed us of the banger that is Roaming the wastes
shit taste
What sticks out like a sore thumb is the fricking menu music. Who the FRICK thought that would be a good idea? The area music is not bad, though it's a step back compared to XC2 (and not having any towns worth a shit really didn't help XC3. Where is my Fonsa Myma Night? Where are Theosoir's themes? Where is my Alba Cavanich Night? let's not even get into Auresco territory).
But the fricking menu music breaking everything, man. They better not do that shit ever again in the next iterations.
that's what I thought at first too but it ended up being one of the few tracks I like and can remember
3's story is on the same level for me, at least up to chapter 5.
Cast of characters is about equal for me.
Music and Villains are WAY in favor of 2 though. Moebius is cool, Torna is fantastic.
MC is about equal for me too. Hard to compare given the different stories
Waifus is also about equal. 2 has more but each of 3's gets more screen time
I hoenstly think I’d trade in all the females in 2 for the females in 3.
Unironically.
>-MC
lol no
I agree with the rest though, but 3 has better gameplay which is the most important aspect of a videoGAME.
agree on music and villains, completely disagree on everything else
>story
debatable
>cast of characters
absolutely fricking not
>music
debatable
>villains
yeah alright i'll give you that one
>MC
homie you can't be serious
>waifus
ah so you're a coomer, that explains a lot
This but unironically. 2 will unfortunately remains the high point of the Trilogy.
(you)
rex will always be one of the worst mcs ever made.
Is this game actually good? I saw gameplay of the prior game and the voice acting, moronic in-combat dialogue and the general look of the characters all turned me off immensely.
Breast expansions will continue until love life improves
Balloon breasts Melia when?
wait for dlc meh meh
>nopon were just chansey all along
god i'm dumb
What is this expression trying to convey
>tfw you have less romantic experience than a 9 year old
Takahashi has peaked with 3, there is no way he can top "IT AMUSED ME"
I'm "only" halfway through Chapter 6 and the biggest gripe I have with the story are the Mebius. Out of the 25, like 20 are nothing but filler/cannon fodder. I really think it was a mistake having so many supposedly powerful villains.
Even the main ones get curbstomped after they beat you up a bit.
I liked the bad guys in 1 and 2 more.
just think of them like a monster of the week troupe, turn the tables against them
I think having a league of 20+ villains makes sense in context. This is a council of beings who are keeping an entire world under their heel. It's more plausible to have a higher number of individuals overseeing the daily machinations of things.
That is exactly the point, though. They are supposed to appear powerful but in the end they are weak and afraid. The last few of them you fight are barely above the regular fodder mobs you fight, they don't even get death cutscenes, the battle ends like a regular enemy and you just move on.
I'm at 165 hours, doing superboss cleanup right now.
Overall loved every single moment of my playthrough.
Need some tips for level up class
Repost from yesterday.
I've been killing the titans in Origin, here's how it works.
>level down to around level 50 or so with all your characters, also change difficulty to easy
>play as noah, equip him with the skill that lets you start battle with the talent art charged (from flash fencer) and give him unlimited sword as his talent
>fast travel to defense tower #1 in origin
Here there's two elite giants you're going to kill to farm class xp. How to is different depending on whether Noah is an attacker or tank/healer
>attacker: draw L7 and spam the B art over and over again, eventually Doom wil proc and the titan will instantly die
>tank/healer: draw L7, instantly go into ouroboros level 0 with noah, then spam his arts/talent arts until the giant's dead. you should have more than enough time if the game's on easy
Then to quickly reset the enemies, target one of the remaining giants, press A to enter battle, then hold - to give up, which will respawn you at the same place but the enemies will be back and you keep your XP.
Once you get to level 60 or so you go to a rest spot to level down again.
Here's a webm of how it works when you're a healer, can't show the full fight because it's longer than 30 seconds.
absolutely horrendous
glad I didnt fricking fall for it again
it's time for a chain attack sachikong
how the frick did we get here, xenoblade 1 wasn't even close to having this much bullshit popping up
Xenoblade 1 left art descriptions offscreen until you hovered over them, so you only had to have one visible at once. It also had a less obtrusive set of party HP gauges, no flowchart in the upper right, no control of party members except for a contextual prompt when you were close, and a less obtrusive enemy HP gauge as well.
I still can't understand what's supposed to be bad about XC2's UI.
It's Kinoer with the music
after killing the second giant i just run through and jump off the ledge and die rather than going into the menu. respawns all the enemies. can do this anywhere you can have a nice day rather than teleporting out and back into zones too.
should also mention you should load up with break/topple/daze/burst arts and go farm 6 monastic necklaces first. doesn't take TOO long maybe 30 mins. it drops off otherworldly rodsin google where he is. im sure you could get away with 4 or 5 and shift it around off S rank classes but to me its easier to just make sure all 6 are wearing one at all times. remember to reequip when you change classes.
every time my food ran out i'd level the party down to 1 and noah to 60, he'd be high 60s by the time food ran out again. as far as i could tell the CP gains were still high even in high 60s and the higher you get the less likely you are to go down to attacks if you get bad doom rng.
also to make it more entertaining use the Fast recharge when non defender is targeted skill and also the item with the same effect on noah. if you have both it will recharge almost instantly and you can spam cancel the B fusion into itself. dont think it makes a huge difference but i found it funny even after a few hours
Definitely. Though as it stands, XC2 is a more satisfying package. I reserve my final judgement when the Expansion Pass releases, it may change my perception of things. Though fact is a DLC expansion shouldn't have that power in the first place, meaning there's a problem somewhere.
2 has malos, but 2 also only has Nia and Zeke
3 has the entire main cast
But 1 has shulk and that's all it's ever needed to the the best one
dont know who chronos consumers are
theres nothing redeeming about the series
who buys this shit
cringe cutscenes, cutscnenes where you always die after winning the boss fights, shitty pseudo turn based gameplay
id rather just play a good rpg like breath of fire 4
Thank you for the input fan of series that got turned to actually gacha shit
While I'm inclined to agree that 2 has a better villain, I'm not sure why anyone would bring up Malos or Jin instead of Amalthus since he's literally the only good one
This. Amalthus had an excellent villain arc. And he looks the part too. I never liked Malos. He just looks like a gym bro. Nothing about him seems menacing or threatening
>He just looks like a gym bro. Nothing about him seems menacing or threatening
I mean that's probably what they were going for. To what end? No idea.
I couldn't take him seriously anymore after he jobbed to Nia.
>Jobs to Nia, screaming the whole time
>Just walks into the next cutscene like "Haha pretty good acting right? It was just a prank!"
That and the fact he just pulls a Monado out of nowhere and the game doesn't even bother addressing it sold Malos for me.
he's fricking terrible, his motivation is all over the place and it makes no sense he'd become leader of the strongest faction after awakening malos instead of being ostracized if not executed. it's not like any of them knew for a fact killing amalthus wouldn't return malos to his core crystal, the should've at least tried
I don't remember much of 2, but who would "they" be? Aren't all the higher powers in that world in bed with him, or benefit from his core crystal syndicate thing?
the other indol people, particularly the others who are vying to be praetor and would jump at any excuse to squash a rival
I like the technology aesthetics of The City. They kind of remind me of the Human Resistance from The Matrix.
>TwaQman
By the Queen's single size bed
Saito's Melia best Melia
From a purely gameplay perspective how does this compare to 2, mainly just combat to be even more specific
I'm sure the map design and music are equally good, and the story is probably fine, so I just want to know is the combat good?
Also Eunie has a big butt it seems, that's cool
If you're comparing final states with all mechanics unlocked the combat in 2 is more complex and more fun for me because of its complexity. The combat in 3 is simplified but also more polished (no role is useless, whereass healers were garbage in previous games), which could appeal to others.
its... different
Kevesi (xc1) classes are slower, but Agnian (xc2) classes are button mashing fes. proper team comp is more important here, healer is mandatory to survive some encounters, and tanks are more finnicky. Hard is actually hard (until mid-late game), and chain attack is somewhat slow but satisfying to plan things around
tldr its fun
hmm alright maybe ill "legally" download this game onto my pc then
It's fun lategame, terrible when you have to deal with Keves-arts only in the beginning.
But it doesn't have the kickass hype as frick battle narrator. Therefore it's less fun than XC2. But still fun with all the game breaking builds you can do. Not that it really matters though.
>the kickass hype as frick battle narrator
Genuinely why was this in the game
Not that I dislike it, but for some reason I've never questioned its existence until I read your post
the answer was "why the frick not"
2 was a jumbled mess of a game, development wise, so theres a bunch of weird janks tackled on cus the dev team just felt like it. iirc in an interview the way-too-many-fricking-shops was added cus "it feels wrong for people to just stand around doing nothing in a town, so we padded it out"
And now 3 has no shops and money is completely useless other than mashing A next to a fabricator
they cant help going from 1 extreme to another
>tried to guilt-trip me for not buying their shitty wares
frick off israelitepons
I really don't get how people defend 2 so fervently
>All villains are "had an aboo boo so now I want everyone dead, but not really I just don't know how else to vent my 500 year old sadness 🙁 " because no one can be really evil
>Let's have 2 characters die at the start of the game but they magically come back, so when one really dies you expect them to revive, and by the time they realize he won't, we're already having funny anime "staring at breasts? kyaa" scenes
> Let's try that again for the ending of the game where it makes no sense for Pyra or Mythra to just revive with their memories after the conduit, the source of energy, disappeared into another dimension, but have a whole scene to trick players anyway
>Rex should have a self doubt scene to show he's not perfect but let's put it at the worst possible point in the story, after we show Pyra is willing to kill herself for him but he just goes "nah someone else take care of it, I'm out" without even wanting to help put together a rescue team or something
> Zeke whacky chuuni does a near 180 when he joins the party so what was the point other than ecks dee anime
> MEH MEH MEEEEEEH
Also why the frick does Tantal have english vocals, at least the Praetorium had the chorus but WILL OUR SUFFERING EVER COME TO AN EEeeeEEeeND is just there and man, does it get tiring after the 10th loop
Which characters came back who died at the start??????
>JRPG
>is it worth playing
The answer is always no
>MALOS IS SO GOOOOOOD BROS WOOOOOOOO NUKE MAN SAID LITTLE SHIT
>Z is literally just him again but no one likes him
?
Amalthus is literally right there but no 2gays always go for Malos and Jin, the worst cliches played straight
Nobody cares about I will show up now and get dabbed on by my own blade guy
it's not so much a powerlevel thing than it is how much they've affected the world at all
Ironicly its Amalthus that makes Malos a way better villain than Z could ever be. While both of them essentially ammount to concepts by the end, Malos the embodiment of humanities nature of self destruction, and Z Humanities fear and self doubt, Z has no redeeming character to play off of other than "theres some moebius in all of us". Its like if Nyx in persona 3 had no Nyx avatar to make anyone give a shit about it. N could've been the Amalthus to Z's Malos, but Z was a concept well before we even see early Noah.
Xenoblade 3 waifus > 2's waifus
Xenoblade 3 waifus = 2's waifus
mio is the best xeno girl we've gotten since elly
frick she's so cute
>engage the enemy
>counter attack
>the weight of life
what is he trying to say?
Battle system is mostly fun but your party shifting into robot form never seems to help the tide of battle, especially if it’s your tank or healer switching over. It’s just a good way to end up dead. Love most of the classes but some of them seem borderline useless like the archer chick or the sword and shield paladin. Story is all over the fricking place and is passable at the best of times. Characters change their deeply held beliefs on a whim after talking to you for like 30 seconds, it gives you whiplash. Performance on the switch is okay though the game goes all “fuzzy” when a lot is happening and it looks weird. World exploration is top notch.
>t. hasn't finished the game
The development and characterisation in this game is a lot more subtle, and sometimes you have to talk to the NPCs in between side quests to see how their views are slowly changing.
Archer chick goes from “I want to die” to “maybe I want to live” in the span of a 30 second battle. It’s bad writing.
She never really wanted to die to begin with, speedreader.
The heroes tend to be all over the place with writing. Juniper kind of sucks in most ways, but then you have heroes like Ashera and Triton who are genuinely awesome and it feels baffling that the same person who wrote those wrote shit like Valdi and Juniper.
Yeah some actually are interesting and well written which makes the bad ones stick out like a sore thumb.
considering how much of a moron ashera and her colony is I wasn't expecting her sidequests to be so touching
it's probably my favorite out of all of them
guard commander is actually very strong, but its also very boring to play and better be tossed onto AI. but yea stalker is pure trash
Where's the post game?
>takes son to the middle of a forest when it was his last day
>goes "my son, with mine and your mother's death, you are officially a JRPG protagonist, I hope one day you'll get a game of your own"
>fades into light and leaves his kid to fend off on his own
Why did N/Noah do this
Huh
RIKI LIVE TO SERVE
>Riki has canonically gotten past that Superboss, or at least was killed in combat trying to get past it
Best Heropon
>riki likes fighting easy monsters
>his weapon is behind a superboss
???
Yes the villains in 3 suck in terms of depth.
But they're meant to all be petty buttholes who want to watch the world burn because if they can't be happy, no one else can either. This includes Z; who's clearly symbolic for humanity's depression. He sits around in his kinoplex, keeping himself entertained with stuff that ultimately has no real meaning, ignores the fact that his world is literally ending, leaves important tasks to others, barely interacts with anyone outside of trying to make them miserable too, but at the same time he's just as afraid of the future/death as the average person, and when someone questions him on his actions he replies as if it's just for "amusement" but when pressed further he breaks down claiming he hates everything.
All of them are like that; literally none of them want to exist, but all of them are too scared to actually die or kill themselves. The ones our party actually manage to break through with words, all commit a form of suicide; because they realized they messed up and finally got the courage to "change", even if it's not ideal.
Moebius, thematically are a fine villain group. The only issue is that there are 26 of them
I'm still wondering why they didn't say Z was some emotion of Klaus's that attached itself to all the core crystals in origin
I agree but I think the transition from them seeming like big bads at the start of the game to actually just being kind of losers by the end could have been done better.
There's this dissonance the moment you have to do Valdi's quest and it kind of just continues on with each side quest but it isn't really explained until much later on.
I think Moebius and the consuls are canonically absurdly powerful, it's just that Oroborous is canonicallly more so. Keep in mind that while consuls become fodder near the end of the game, even the weakest of consuls is strong enough to wipe out Gold colonies essentially by themselves, as shown with D destroying prior Eunie's colony by himself and L wiping out the unnamed one with X supervising. Keep in mind that in a 1v1, every Moebius still absolutely wrecks all the Oroborous except for possibly Noah.
They are only powerful inside the simulation.
I don't get it, unless you mean the simulation as Aionios as a whole, which is kind of like saying "well they are only powerful because the rules of the universe say so".
I think Valdi's was just a bad main hero mission to include at the very start. The way the consul ends is comical and , while it is a twist that he appears again, at that point in the game it muddies up how you view the consuls from then on in my opinion
Sena's butt on my face.
how does Z even exist? Since when has collective consciousness crap even existed in XB
They put the souls of everyone in Origin to reboot. Turns out that humanity was a bit more autistic than expected.
think of Origin as a giant core crystal and Z the Blade for the whole of humanity, and the corruption similar to how Amalthus "molded" Ontos into Malos
I mean Logos frick
I mean shit he even has the weird glowy things Blades have
People who say he popped out of nowhere are moronic and can't piece things together.
Humanity created Origin which is seemingly a reality altering supercomputer that contains everyones souls. It seemingly does what the collective will of what people want inside of it.
The original goal is to get it to reboot everything. But people suck and instead, their will spawns Z. Literally everyone's souls are stored within core crystals at the heart of Origin.
It's pretty clear that Z is the equivalent of Malos; except instead of resonating with Amalthus, he resonated with the entirety of humanity stored in Origin.
I love this autistic cinemaphile bros. He makes no fricking sense to me.
He's essentially depressed and doing the divine form of shitposting to make other people miserable and entertain himself.
I hated him at first too, but now that I got a clear grasp of what they were attempting with Moebius, I probably would put him above Zanza. He's a villain who you have to engage with more thematically, rather than logically. Honestly, probably one of my favorite depictions of humanity's collective because it's blunt and suprisingly accurate. No sugarcoating done with a sappy backstory, just played straight.
I wish that webm was longer
This is the funniest thing ive seen in a long time.
A fricking pickle
Okay this is the first genuinely funny use of that video I have seen.
Can you play this shit (and 2) without the fricking disgusting English voice acting? The accents are vile and I would sooner slam my finger in a car door than willingly listen to that shit.
Both games have dual audio, yes.
yes
Moebius > 2 Villains for no reason other than their theme song
Man they really leaned on the Choir didn't they?
Can anyone translate this?
This man singlehandedly embarrassed himself in front of all Agnus
BY THE QUEEN'S VIRGIN VAGAINA!
Melly breasts too big
Reminder that original voices gays do not get to enjoy :
>Scottish Colony Muooooooh
>Riku's chad Nopon voice
>Eunie's working class chav accent
>Harry McEntire's amazing performance
>Welsh catgirls
>YIPPEE
Eunice sounds like a working class prostitute at the docks who will give you syphilis then rob you at knife point.
>Riku's chad Nopon voice
does his Japanese VA give him a more traditional nopon voice?
Same seiyuu as Veil, you do the math.
>DLC image has the swords of all 3 main characters on it
>Interestingly has the future connected sword instead of the Monado
The DLC is 10000% going to be an Epilogue where you play as all 3 Protagonists
Shulk gave up the real monado and made the monado rex as a good enough. Why would he get it back? If he did then rex gets pneuma and then noah has um.....just a sharp sword.
yeah just like how the mechonis sword stabbing uraya is going to be super significant right? stop setting yourself up for disappointment
i don't know why anyone wants this in the first place. are these the same soiboys pogging out their minds when all the heroes meet in a marvel movie?
Because the other outcome for the DLC is founders and nobody wants that
The sword never stabbed Uraya, that’s literally only in the cover art.
You see how Uraya gets destroyed in the very ibtro of the game.
>when you finally get the last landmark/area in cadensia and the map autocompletes
Finally, this area was pissing me off before this
IT DOES THAT?!
It does.
(Pro Tip: Samon's Secret Storage is an often-forgotten landmark by the elevator to Swordmarch - you can access it with a key found in the third dock)
Is that the only region that does that?
All regions do
This region is stupid. If only I could find a way to unlock the map efficiently
How do I go up to those ruins in the north east, the ones on that big island near the entrance of the cavern to the forgotten colony?
There's no way up unless I missed something, so I assume I have to go through some tunnel, but can't find the way
A route there opens up during chapter 7.
Same with that one area in Aetia.
3's tone would be really weird if it had less atmospheric area themes because of all the husks lying around
Yeah I totally get the stance behind the choice since it would be really weird to go from Roaming the Wastes to the solemn off-seer tune on the regular but I won't find myself listening to a few of these field themes on the regular
That said, the City theme is really good
yeah that's understandable
i fricking love the eagus wilderness night theme myself, it actually gave me chills the first time i heard it
Anyone notice a bug where the NPC heroes do like a 360 degree turn before using their art? In battle I don’t really notice it that much, but pulling off chain attacks is aggravating. Also, randomly my field effects just disappear, sometimes right after they’re cast. It’s weird.
are you using Juniper by any chance
Yeah
yeah her art animations are just weird like that, not sure why she does the 360 noscope thing
I thought that was just one of Juniper's autistic arts.
if the field is during chain attack then its because CA uses a very weird time system, where pretty much each "turn" expends the same time a field/buff would stay up, yet doesnt progress the break-topple bar duration much
Reminder there's no Consul A in the game, so expect to see Consul Alvis in the DLC.
>DUDE EVERYTRHING HAHS TO BE CONNECTED A IS ELVIS Z IS ZANZA SHULK REX FEI ARE FOUNDERS ETHEL IS MORAG ASHERA IS DUNBAN CAMMURAVI IS PYRA RIKU IS RIKU AIONIOS IS MIRA LUCKY SEVEN IS LOGOS
why are people like this
I know you are exaggerating but for a game that is probably the more direct sequel to both games, it will reference aspects of them and explain how things came to be in the now. Plus it doesn't help that dev comments don't seem to align with the Base Game's Content, we're probably going to have a lot of those deeper cuts in the DLC story.
>Plus it doesn't help that dev comments don't seem to align with the Base Game's Content, we're probably going to have a lot of those deeper cuts in the DLC story.
considering the former I don't understand how anyone can trust anything that they say moving forward short of massive backlash that forces them to get better PR
Who wants to know how babies are made?
Where was Ghondor when the Westfold fell?
>Sauron has yet to reveal his deadliest servant. The one who would lead Mordor's armies in war. The one they say no living man can kill: the b***hqueen of Angmar.
underrated posts
>it's another thread where 2onlies pretend Rex was a complex character, and not a boiletplate MC with general positive everyperson qualities that brainlets could self-insert into
Bella Swan for men.
yep! loving it. Not sure why XB3 got so much hate. It is the best story, cast, gameplay, and maybe music of each xenogame. It really is being hated on by people who haven't played a minute of it. It's such a concentrated effort, we "need to find out who the real enemy is" lol
I love the story so far too. I'm in chapter 6 and Chapter 4 and 5 blew me out of the water
Just a warning anon post-chapter 6 is easily the most controversial portion of the story because it becomes more about it's themes rather than the characters. And somehow the themes still go over peoples heads.
Wouldn’t say controversial, more just soarse as frick. They pad the shit iut of thise last two for no clear reason other then muh seven
Story has some nice characters moments, but some really frustrating plot "don't think about it" moments (Riku and the sword, Ouroboros, black fog, half assed big tech ball explanation, ... ). We shall see if DLC conclude some loose threads.
Music has some pretty good themes, but I find some field themes a bit weak.
Combat is pretty good, but I still prefer xb2 somehow.
Regions are a mishmash of previous games with some cool callbacks, but riding on nostalgia more than anything. I found the game lacking on memorables places like Satorl Marsh or Uraya. Agnus Castle was a great disapointement in particular, you see it floating from a lot of places, and when you get to it it's a single room, not an Auresco like mini town.
Still a pretty good game.
what is it about Lanz and little girls?
He's like a FE Myrmidon, it just happens
Lanz looks really handsome in the Signifer clothes.
well?
>Now, who wants a practical demonstration?
>they don't know about the baby tree
Them not being a tad more awkward around each other makes me believe he actually gave them the stork story
Eunie probably tackled Taion as soon as she heard.
well after Mio gets M memories she knows for sure how it's done, because M and N literally fricked
>starts telling them the process
>mid story he realized they are teenangers they would never save the wirld because they’d be too busy having nonstop sex
>ends up telling them the stork story instead
He might have saved both worlds by doing this.
Sena seems like the type to embrace it and start constantly teasing everyone.
The scene immediately following that is Noah and Mio seeing a kissing couple on the street and looking at each other awkwardly, so they probably got the whole story
>Mio raises her hand the fastest
People joke about Noah's lust for cats but she's just as bad.
Can anyone give me the specific person, item, or requirement needed to start the Unease quest at Mu? I've ascended just about everyone else, but I can't seem to get anything started at Mu. Is there a star level requirement for them to pop?
so how did Shania know where the City was recolated after she became Mobius?
Pretty sure the implication from the kinoplex is that Z literally knows everything happening on Aionios but rarely intervenes unless it's for people that interest him (like saving N).
Its not possible to change Noah's Lucky7 unsheathed moveset, right? Its just the 5 arts stuck in those positions?
They change depending on the class type, but you can't edit them manually
There's a 6th art eventually but yeah, can't change it.
>noah hugging his son
>hugs him harder before he dissapears
Everything else in 5 and 6 and the end of 7 made me tear up but I actually shed tears to that.
I felt nothing at that point I just kinda wanted the game to be over
dumb cat
The japanese say that you have a "cat's tongue" when you can't handle pipping hot food / drinks. It's an expression they use.
oh I get it now
>Noah's weakness is Mio
>Mio's weakness is the sun
what did they mean by this
>the sun's weakness is Noah
the triangle completes
>Nah gets woken up early one day because the sun shines just right through the window
>"I'LL TEAR IT ALL DOWN!"
>You can't just call someone 7
heh
also
>dual wielding 'robotic' girl is 7
what did Melia mean by this?
>Shulk's descendant, detected.
>what are we gonna do on the bed, Aunt Melly?
You forget that Melia doesn't know how babies are made
Melia is the type of woman who plans everything in advance and buys a crub before she’s even pregnant.
That crib remains forever empty.
>Tyrea failed to find her forever alone sister a husband
>mean while she has three kids and a loving husband
>If I can't have the father I'll frick the son
yeah it's pretty great.
long as hell though so you might want to alternate it with another game and/or reduce the amount of side content you do.
Melia is perfect. She's the purest waifu in Xenoblade series. She's literally for (You)
She is genuinely stunningly beautiful in 3. Just her brief little smiles stick with me almost as much as real cute girl smiles.
What was stopping Melia from jumping on Shulk's comatose body and riding him for all he's worth?
Is it ever explained why some people see the main cast as monster but others (like Teach and his colony) don´t?
moebius gave up on that after the first couple times because ???
It isn't fun if you keep doing it.
>early gamma and 9 grunt fell for it cus they never had the chance to talk it out
>Ethel only fell for it cus Noah was just a passing kid back when she saved him
>Isurd definitely wont fall for it due to him knowing Taion well, and hes more of a calm and collected kind of guy. Thus J had to use negative emotion infused mud puppets instead
>Cammuravi fricking ripped out his own eye and gave the middle finger to the consuls for interfering with his heated battle sex with Ethel
Yes.
Yes. It’s entirely dependant on if Consuls assume direct control of their Colony like K did with Ethel and Colony 9.
The control isn’t all the time.
While they aren’t being controlled they simoly have orders to capture or kill Ouroborus sent down by the chain if command (consuls)
This woman is a homewrecker
She reminds me of Shurelia from Ar Tonelico.
YEAH
FEELS GOOD
YEAH NOAH
FEELS JUST LIKE IT SHOULD
CUTE
Lanz moronic dumb wife
GET THE FRICK OUT OF THE WAY SENA
>being excited to touch a baby
why is Taion such a homosexual?
He's an inquisitive mind encountering an entirely new type of human. Of course he's excited.
He bred Eunie that night out if sheer curiosity.
Or maybe it’s the other way around.
Nothing gay about procreation, homosexual
You will never be a dad.
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
That poster is probably young, I did not developt a paternal instinct until my late 20s
I'm really glad the afro hair is starting to make a comeback in anime-style art culture. Looks really good on most dudes for some reason.
>I'm really glad the afro hair is starting to make a comeback in anime-style art culture. Looks really good on most dudes for some reason.
>wojakposting
big L
>big L
Cope nigcel wienerroach or mayo subhuman
Even bigger L damn
>le twitter "L"
go back
>The real Lucky Seven is the friends we made along the way
I cant get over how this an unironic statement the game makes.
Please tell me a FF7 Buster Sword version of this exists
>Shulk could have had both
gay
Shulk's a man who knows what he wants in life
as a new cummer who never played this kind of game, is it worth ?
I looked at fights videos but I don't know still..
Fighting is cooldown style MMO combat
These games are single player MMOs with fun characters, massive in scale locations, and interesting concepts.
There is grind. There is autism.
Emulate the first xenoblade if you want a taste but I don’t know if I’d suggest 3 furst.
i would say going with 2 would give a slightly """"better"""" impression regarding gameplay cus 1's fricking suck early. Other parts are debatable and i dont want to go into that mess right now
id say go in either in 1 (plus future connected) > 2 > Torna > 3 or 2 > 1 > Torna > future connected > 3 are both valid order. The former for a "progression" in term of gameplay and general game feel, or the latter to prevent you from burning out of a game system too much
>it amuses me
is unironically one of the most genius excuses when you think about it. Z is the embodiment of the human psyche, and it is in human nature to act irrationally in pursuit of enjoyment.
How stupid would Sena and Lanz's kid be?
10 TP
>Takes a bite out of a raw potato to prove his dominance over Kite
>literally cannot stop thinking about spongy spuds
Was it autism?
who up playin wit they agnussy?
>people hate the ambient area music
holy frick you people have shit taste
I just got the archer class (stalker?) But its pretty shitty, maybe i am playing it wrong but its really slow and the damage is so little, any tips?
>any tips
Yeah, change class
Thanks for the advice frens. Any other classes that i should avoid sticking too long too?
Machine Assasin later on.
It's a class based on debuffs, the issue being that enemies resist debbufs A LOT. It has an art that can lower enemy debuff resistance, but that one can also be resisted.
It's a mess.
you can improve it a bit by yumsmith's master skill but yea that class was a mess
Almost every class is worth using just to get their master skills/arts on everyone, although to be honest Stalker isn't even worth that
Level it up solely for completion and Juniper's quests, because it's dogshit and a contender for worst class in the game
Can't a class just be shit? That seems to be what they were going for when they made Stalker
It's a bad class.
it IS a shitty class. Just get the field art on a tank and maybe debuff res down skill and promptly toss the class into the trash
a shame, the green cat is cute
Nothing in 3 can top Mor Ardain.
I can't believe we got desert themes that were just "okay" in 3. Especially after X's and 2's. Desert themes are without exception the best video game tracks, and here it felt like a letdown. Thank god there's at least 15 seconds of Dannagh's Desert theme that's good. After like 3 minutes.
You're shitting me right? Eagus wilderness is top fricking tier. Both day and night.
I think it's funny that people always defend the XC3 OST for being "subdued" to fit the theme of the game more, but it's not like XC2 didn't have loads of subdued songs in form of the night themes that each and every one completely mogs everything in 3 on their own. Some examples:
Like, it's not like I hate XC3's OST, in fact it's grown on me quite a bit, and I get that it's literally impossible to follow up the act that was XC2's OST, but let's not trick ourselves into believeing XC3's soundtrack has got shit on 2's.
>XC2's night themes
Mah homie. Nothing in vidya comes close.
BASED. Xenoblade 3 has some of my favorite battle themes in the series, but it really dropped the ball with the environmental ones.
2's area themes are timeless, but I think 3's battle themes come out on top
All 3 games have a great soundtrack on the whole though, so not sure why this argument is so prominent at the moment
3 will get all the accolades, rewards and recognition for it's great ost, but 2's soundtrack was a masterpiece, and it will never get a fraction of what 3 will get.
Ironically it will have 2's lasting success to thank for it.
>Finally getting a bow weapon after getting cucked out of it in 2 with Akhos
>It's shit
>Akhos
why is this fricker so forgettable? stupid fricking megane bishonen
dude how can you forget his iconic flashback cutscene?
nyantcha draws the best asses
Thoughts on Joran?
He's gonna die from diabeetus
Thought it was kind of hackneyed and obvious at first, but I actually kind of liked him near the end.
Basically was just a loser who was always destined to be a loser, and didn't realize the one life where he made the biggest impact and surpassed his "destiny" to suck is the one where he thought he sucked the hardest.
can't really form an opinion on him just yet, can you play his flashback scene 50 more times?
How is he so fat despite living in a world where intense military training is something everyone must go through and where only the best of the best colonies get to eat well? guess some people really are cursed to have fat bodies
It's literally explained that he skips out on training because he wants to be an artist.
don't spoonfeed him
yes I remember the cutscene, where he skips one drill to carve wood, but I'm sure he can't fricking skip every single session....plus where is he getting all those calories from? is he a nopon hybrid?
>Fat
>weakling
>fallen childhood friend
>mad with power
>wears a red suit
He's Porky without the spider mecha
>we're stuck with Nyantcha as a XC3 drawgay
Get your ass out of the way Sena! I want to see Mio taking some big Jingoistic Gigantus wiener!
>Eunie side story
>a gold colony just got fricking wiped
>you can actually run back there and loot supreme tenderloin, the meat every soldiers want from a warehouse
this is both dark, and hilarious
Seeing the artist just give up on detailing the hammer but still posting it anyway is pretty funny.
Holy crap didn't realize how much they improved side quests in 3. Playing XC2 and these side quests are completely dogshit. In Gormott and these side quests already making me want to sudoku.
if you think those are bad go back to XC1 sidequests
>Monster Quest 4 - Part 3
At least those were fast (I think). These Black folk making me collect 7 rare mats then saying "oh btw, forgot to tell you, collect 10 of this too" when you return. The Colony Tau tirkin quests were unironically less annoying.
>XC1
>Take a sidequest
>99/100 odds you can literally forget about it
>XC3
>Take a sidequest
>Has clear objectives and is a mini-narrative, relatively snappy
>XC2
>Take a sidequest
>"Go to location X and look for object Y"
>You have already been there before, it was not a landmark so you have to walk back there your damn self
>You go there
>Sluggish cutscene where you get attacked
>Fight enemies
>Repeat three fricking times
>cherrypicking
Every time
Is it really cherrypicking if it's part of the deliberate first impression the game gives you of sidequests? That is what Monolithsoft CHOSE to open with. Why should anyone expect things to improve if that's the best foot they chose to put forward?
Irrelevant. You can't take one quest and say it's the whole game
It's like if I brought up the godawful Nopon quest chain in Satorl Marsh which requires to do a back and forth between what you were supposed to do and the quest giver which is annoying since the fast travel point isn't close enough to him and I said it was the whole game, which is the very definition of cherrypicking
it really isn't cherrypicking
anon pls, while all 3 games have the most mundane kill/fetch objectives ever, at least 3 had the "something" nice attached. Kinda like Torna i guess
some of 1 got that nice relationship stuffs going or just plain ignorable, but 2? jesus frick stop forcing me to do merc quests or do long fricking treks through already explored areas. Im actually mildly surprised 3 put teleport waypoints near long winded areas that might be quest related like the storage in swordmarch or colony iota's secret cave
>esus frick stop forcing me to do merc quests or do long fricking treks through already explored areas.
Merc Missions come uo for the Blade Quests 99% of the time which are meant to be longer and require more effort and I have no idea what you're talking about for the second thing implying its not the same for the other games
XC3 is just a bit more refined in hiding its monotony with unique dialogue. The most common trope is that you run into a named NPC that you've maybe talked with during the main plot before or during some hero quest, they have a problem and then the party says "Oh we'll help you out to kill those 10 bunnits that are bothering you at night don't worry". Sometimes you'll have someone, most likely Eunie go "oh I guess it's that time again" or "I can guess who's gonna go and solve this problem".
I wish it was just fighting enemies. Too much Korean tier item collection bullshit.
>Doesn't mention the numerous "Hey can you collect 20 Twisted Screws for me? No, I don't know where you can find them, good luck" quests
ICE CABBAGE
BLACK LIVER BEANS
>do tirkin-tau alliance
>find black liver beans for the first time while grinding out an insane amount of collectibles
there's a tau quest much later on that involves some autist doing a ritual in the lower wildwood area and almost dies but is saved by the tirkins, if you break the alliance do they kill that guy instead?
Don't know yet.
The quest with the fricking Nopon (regular) sage in Makna. This fricker made me go back and forth to him for more time than I can count. Worst quests ever.
The only thing that really improved is the dialogue, or rather the fact that all the party members get to say something meaningful rather than the npc talking to himself and the party saying "Yeah" in 2 or an actual relevant line if you have that one specific party member in 1 in the active party. The rest is the same garbage with somehow even more back and forth, thank god for that option to go to the map near the quest objective allowing you to select the closest fast travel point or it would be unbearable
How many fellow anons got filtered by him/Moebius before "getting it". I swear he clicks with me the more I think about it, he went from the worst villain in the series to at least good tier and climbing.
Explain the process that made you like him
This anon got it right. Moebius/Z are just apathetic/depressed buttholes (remember even Z does have some individuality, he's not entirely just meant to be a concept) that really captures how shit people can really be.
He sits in his theater watching something that ultimately doesn't actually matter (since the entire war is pointless outside of harvesting life).
He lets all of his avatars do his work for him, and never fights for his ideals.
He's essentially a godlike being that doesn't do anything to help the world (remember annihilation events are destroying Aionios slowly). And he ignores the existence of annihilation events anyways.
He copes by saying everything is going as "planned" for his amusement.
When he does take an interest in others (N and the other consuls) his main goal is to make them just as miserable as he is.
When his thoughts are challenged; he breaks down (I HATE IT) and copes because he cannot imagine a future where things are better.
Basically Z, and the Moebius in their entirety are a critique on how apathy can cause the destruction of the world. Which is pretty accurate nowadays irl. Instead of focusing on fixing/improving the future; they're all content with suffering and maintaining status quo because other's misery makes them feel like they're not miserable.
Basically in a ham-fisted irl metaphor what I'm saying is Moebius are elites, soldiers are just regular people, annihilation events are a metaphor for global warming.
I honestly was kind of baffled by the hate he got. I never thought he was incredible or anything, but I always liked him as a villain.
I feel like everyone needs the villain to have some horrible tragic past or great reasons for being who they are, but Z is just a bastard who is so far beyond humanity and so done with existence that literally nothing really bothers him, either good or bad. He is more of a critique on humanity than anything, and I think a pretty biting one at that.
>I feel like everyone needs the villain to have some horrible tragic past or great reasons for being who they are
People like Metal Face just fine
Sure but Metal Face, and D for that matter, have a pretty solid reason for doing what they do- they just like to kill people, the more brutal the better.
Z's reason for doing anything is literally "It amuses me". I think they problem is that people were thinking that people think that Z has to be a Zanza like bastard who is so over the top, rather than just being more muted and done with life.
Sort of. I'm pretty sure that humanity doesn't want 10 year life spans, of which they are constantly in a never ending war. But you are right that Z and all of Moebius is fundamentally built from humanity's collective fear of the future, particularly when the future looked as bleak as theirs may have.
>10 year life span
They don't have a 10 year life span. They live forever. His function is to protect and preserve the eternal now. Every action he takes is one they want.
This is pretty much spelled out for you right before he is defeated in his final cutscene.
>Z's reason for doing anything is literally "It amuses me"
i don't think you understood the game you just played
Metal face didn’t enjoy killing peope, he was just a power hungry coward.
he really enjoyed painting his nail red there tho. His power fantasy did include dominating filthy, weakling homs that looked down on him
Goes along with the power hungry
>Critique on humanity
He literally is humanity my guy. He's not even a villain really... He is just doing what the people stored in Origin want him to do.
You could rewrite this story with Moebius as the good guys quite easily.
I turned 360 degrees and walked away when he said that
Now I've been going around replying "it amused me" to every post pointing out plot holes
On a serious note though I like him a lot more once I realized he's a Blade, so basically just Malos
Damn you are deep in your own headcanon my guy.
yeah man it amuses me
See this is the problem with why people cry so much about 3's worldbuilding. Everyone wants absolutes, no logical thinking or deducing, everything spelled out for them just so that people can't call them out for having "headcanon" when if you think about it for 5 seconds it makes perfect sense.
>duuuude where does Lucky Seven come form why does and why is Riku a c**t
>hurr durr why is Origin created half and half in each world
>hurr why does Noah and Mio still reincarnate
>plsplspls spell everything out for me no symbolisms please
Nice headcanon
meant for
There is tons of logical thinking to be done in this game. It's the logical thinking that goes beyond the scope of anything the game provides you that delves into the realm of headcanon. You aren't in a position to be deducing anything when you are just using the vague information the game provides and turning into your own translation for some head fantasy fanfiction you are writing.
This is more headcanon.
What do you expect? "Gamers" still point to Tidus laugh as bad voice acting. Nuance is lost on most people.
meanwhile in 1
>"oops, I, a normal human being scientist, accidentally the whole universe"
>"better create life with my bare hands"
>no one bats an eye
Nobody wants absolutes.
They just don't want online schizo's interpreting the story in the most autistic way possible when the game isn't that hard to interpret to begin with.
>the game isn't that hard to interpret to begin with.
So if someone says they like Rex more than Noah you can just ignore their opinion on everything, right?
Noah is not just the best written xenoblade protag he is one of the better written jrpg characters in years.
In contrast... Rex is literally one of the worst...
Dunno. But you most certainly need to play more games.
Really? I play a decent amount of JRPG's and I can't think of a better character than Noah in a JRPG in quite a while.
Who do you think is better or what didn't you like about him?
d-damn brat!
cute boobs
Mio, Mio MIO
I don't give a shit about Z, if I wanted to fight concepts as (actual) final bosses, I'd play Persona. Give me mechs final bosses, holy shit,at least the meaty phase of the boss fight. I'm paying to play a Xeno.
Spotted the XB2 homosexual
Hiroyuki Sawano should have made XC3 music
>wanting music with broken english
Nah I’m good.
>melia and nia's giant mechs they unleashed for the final boss didn't interlink into an even bigger mech to nuke origin
Keves Castle turning into a massive fricking mecha surprised me so much I loved how Melia used it to punch that thing on Origin.
Sawano did excellent field themes. But overall if I can't have Mitsuda for the scenes and ACE/Kiyota/Hiramatsu for the rest, I'll take Kajiura for the whole package.
>Sawano did excellent field themes
I like them in general, but I can't really say 1:30 songs that don't loop could be considered excellent.
Ethel's ethels.
>ywn press your face in between Ethel's massive sweaty breasts
why live
>Cammuravi, after spending his infancy sucking on Pyra tiddy, beelined for the biggest booba in Aionios as soon as he was able to, literally died penetrating her, and then when he reincarnated he found and raised her to be his milkmaid daughter-wife
I can't even be jealous of a man with such drive as that, god bless him
I just fought the Moebius who interlinked, how long till reaching the city?
You've got one more major area to clear before the end of the chapter, you arrive at the city very shortly after beginning chapter 5
Well don't you look smug with my woman on your arm
Honestly this entire sequence with N sold the dub for me. The VA is honestly fantastic in this section.
The VA is just consistently good tbh. No "AIYAAAH" moments here.
had to pause the game to collect myself after laughing so hard tbqh
How would Etika have reacted if he played xenoblade 3?
he would've 360'd and jumped off a birdge
Chapter 5 would have had him staring down the edge of a bridge. 6 would have saved him.
He would have lost his shit at Giga Chad Rex.
I do like XB2's OST more than 3 but 3 does a really good job of incorporating the music into the scenes to give it a more higher production/cinematic feeling.
XB2 tracks get the emotion of the scene across pretty well usually but it's just background music generally.
Most people also don't even pay attention to this sort of shit and it doesn't matter anyway.
Keves battle theme flute raped my ears, I'm glad it switched to Agnus kickass battle theme with a bit of Monster Surprised You in it.
Only to realize you don't hear much because you kill everything in 10 seconds, and if you ever have a fight that lasts more, it's because there's an Elite monster in it, or a quest/story related battle that will either have yet an Elite in it, or another battle theme playing.
what gender is juniper?
Girl (female)(xx)(womb)
I'd sniff those armpits.
so would i >.>
Ethel has such a good design... That is a day 1 figure buy whenever a decent one drops.
Enel spreadsheet is up bros
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JrMC1YkfggpuNmZI4YRKmxcqa7Yip4xNJ3F89L%5C_0j7I/edit?usp=sharing
Enel literally plays on normal, guy is a hack and a fraud
Anyone who isn't a Prepare to Die midwit plays on Normal though.
Sure but if you want to advertise yourself as an authority on a game you should probably play the damn thing on actual difficult difficulties. The guy never touched hard mode once
hard isnt even that hard tho, it mostly punishes diving into mobs without any care and expect to just AoE them all away. Granted even that part got done in by UNBOUND EDGE DRAGON TAIL UNBOUND EDGE DRAGON TAIL midway into the game
normal fights just end too easy too fast to even see boss's mechanics, and makes for boring fights
Huh? The hard part about hard mode is the bosses, because your damage and healing is so low and the bosses actually do damage to your party. Try tanking with a Zephyr on hard and they'll most likely get their shit kicked in before you kit them out in good accessories and gems. You might even need to run with a War Medic or Lifesage just to fill out the healing needs.
i meant "normal mode" fights get boring fast. And yea boss fights are tougher in hard too, but with some good planning (and/or war medic with that accessory that 100% refresh your cd upon reviving) its not that tough. Maybe a "let non healer revive" item on a tank as a back up
hard is definitely hard what the frick are you talking about?
It definitely gets easier near the end and postgame, but in the early game when your class and options are limited, some of the bosses are really hard. I remember the Colony 9 Consul and the Colony 30 Consul absolutely pushing my shit in for the longest time, and the one special Consul with Garvel I literally could not beat after half a dozen attempts (although I was a level below her and was locked into the fight).
The post game is definitely easier than the rest, but hard is literally only easy if you are consistently abusing bonus EXP at camps.
I don't see the issue with playing normal, but the game really isn't that difficult to have to come up with any sort of strategy unless you are doing hard mode. I remember when you fight DJ at Agnes Castle on hard, I was a level higher than him, and his Doom Rain was a near party wipe every time he used it because even if you survive the initial hit, the blaze damage does so much extra damage that even healing immediately may not save you. I was forced to figure out that I could completely circumvent this by having a Stratageos use his debuff guard the second the move started to come out, and after that I was able to manage the fight with not much issue. This was the fight that taught me to really pay attention to the attacks that the enemy is doing, as it can make all the difference between one of your party getting killed and 4 of them getting killed.
The point is that "strats" for Normal may be inefficient at best or actively harmful at worst because you figuring out a simpler problem with a simpler solution that may not carry forward to other fights as easily.
I wish they cut the mio and noah side class quests from the main campaign. i'm on noah's and both really fricked with the pacing.
>hmm i'm thinking about this 1 npc from forever ago randomly, better have a mandatory side story
>opps just ran into them
>oh no another alphabet boss
>Noah, it's me, Crys. I'm a villain now, but also not really haha now KILL ME and also play a sick song to send me off
Great character guys
I refuse to believe this shitter is Shulk/Fiora's son or descendant.
??? why would you even think that
I thought his sword at the start looked like the monado replica but I might have been seeing what I wanted to see
>Noah, you're our hope Noah.
>You know, I never really liked N that much, Noah
>Every time I saw M, I just think: "For sparks sake, why wont he snuff her already?" I mean, you saw it too, right?
>But no, he wouldn't. But YOU, Noah! You've been to the city, you know the truth!
>You could snuff her for good, Noah. Think of all the beautiful children she could bear, Noah!
>Our hope, Noah. You are our hope...
>Now play her song, Noah. Play it so loud that all of Aionios can hear it and then some, Noah.... Our hope...
Wierd tonal shift but okay
It does feel baffling honestly. It feels like the problem is that Noah and Mio's story is so front and center and central to everything that they don't have a way of incorporating a side story that isn't just literally pulling pieces from the past. At least they were relevant characters in their side stories, unlike Sena in hers.
>I am in Origin and just absorbed N
>realize I somehow completely missed Sena's story because Ogre is still locked to 10
The game doesn't have Sena's sidestory, I mean ok there is a quest that is called that but it's actually Ghondor's and Shania's sidestory.
I really liked the part of the quest where Sena says "Shania...."
Chills every time
I didn't really care. If they were side quests instead of forced main quest I would have done them both at around the same time in the game anyway As I imagine most people would have since the game clearly wants you to do those quests at around that point of the game.
To me at it was was the game reminding you and telling you to do the main cast side quests for all the different perks they provide.
the NTR scenarios with Pyra and Mythra got way, way hotter when you realized Rex will willingly raise your children
zombie_alone made a new epic of the sisters not too long ago. Choking stuff, triple p, the works.
Give link anon plz, can't find them
>Is the pozzed JRPG with a Black person main cast member and a gender freak worth playing
gee I wonder
XB3 dickriders are something else
damn, cammuravi gets to frick THIS?
He actually gets to frick this.
In my headcanon and in game she stays as e-girl, Cammuravi dies from old age and Travis starts to groom her.
Rope, now
Is there legit no fanservice in this game? Like you can’t even change them into sexy costumes?
No. Get fricked coomer everyone is in burkas
There's a lategame class that puts the girls in leotards, Mio's panties can be seen under her pantyhose in her default outfit (and you can make out pantylines on her skirt), every non-flatty has boob jiggle, and the girls' Ouroboros forms are a particular sexy.
I also fully predict that swimsuits will be added in the expansion pass.
Not to mention that they are sure to add Mios M costume and that thing has ass.
No. Main game thankfully takes itself seriously. Coomershit will probably be DLC.
Nico, if that's her real name, is full of shit, she looks more like a Laura or a Zoe
PO
TAY
TOES
>blacked homosexual artist
>brigette is troon gay artist
get lost
I think Xenoblade 3 proves that JRPGs shouldn't have vague/mysterious writing.
Everything should be written simple and easy to understand so people do not get filtered and everyone can appreciate the story.
There is nothing wrong with a tropey story where the main cast lives happily ever after, leaving no room for disappointment.
Agreed?
>where the main cast lives happily ever after, leaving no room for disappointment
the whole point of the story is how the future is uncertain and that's why moving forward instead of just staying on your safezone is so hard, showing exactly what happened to everyone would shit all over it
just wait for the DLC to show every single character in the new world(s) living happily ever after, which is the reward for all of their struggles and sacrifice during their existence in Aionios
so WHO is Riku really?
A simple Nopon mechanic, nothing more
Riku is Riku. Common grade nopon.
*nods*
it's now canon that Rex creampied Pyra, Mythra and Nia what a fricking chad
Man, I wasn't on Ganker when the spoilers dropped because I fricked off like a week earlier, but how where the threads? I can't even begin to imagine
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/606683957/#q606688101
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/606688529/#606688529
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/606692197/#606692197
Enjoy.
>pre-leak
>rex is great because he isn't a harem mc
>post-leak
>rex is great because he is a harem mc
Lots of laughter over how ridiculous it was, seething over polygamy, and kneeling to his chadness.
Some people cant accept this and ita hilarious. Even better is when some try to say that shulk totally banged melia too! When it goes against everything he and fiora are about. Just accept that the blue clollar hardworking chad that is rex had a harem and shulk doesnt and doesnt even want one.
Hard in the early game is just kind of anti-fun because you don't have many tools.
Hard in the middle game is when hard is in its best state and pretty much required to not have the game be a joke
Hard in the late/post game is almost no different from Normal mode.
She's finally home bros...
ToT
imagine having sex with nopon haha
There is nothing wrong with that.
Whats the best team/class setup that you've found really works well?
Fiona with the buffs out the ass seemed great to have on all of the healers on the team.
Okay but how will it go when we play the DLC with all those kids around?
Just finished the game, 120~ hours.
It's a good game, in some ways it's better than the previous two, but in other ways... not so much.
In the end I feel that this is the weakest Xenoblade game by quite a bit, but still 7/10
I haven't killed ZOD yet but I'm right there and will do it after work.
So far I feel like the story and tone was 9/10 for the first half of the game and then kind of fizzled out.
I didn't enjoy XC2's tone and story all that much for much of the game, but the primary mystery of Elysium and then the fricking AMAZING part of the game when you get to the tree and go up it and the reveals are MUCH MUCH better than this end section of 3.
Unless the ending vastly changes my perception of the game, I am right there with you on that rating.
yeah, it's basically the reverse of what happens with XC2
XC3 is good to great for 80% of the game, but loses steam in chapter 6 and 7
while XC2 is liquid shit for 80% of the game, but the final 2 chapters redeem it
>while XC2 is liquid shit for 80% of the game
Too contrarian.
He's right.
Nope.
All the maps are great, great combat, great music, Tantal is great.
You only dislike it because of groupthink.
That's more or less the general consensus.
not really
Yes it is.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/XmZRjMY5vZd/results
>using a fricking Strawpoll as your evidence
>says nothing about what people think about 3 in relation to the rest of the series
it was posted two days ago on this board so I'd say it's solid enough evidence
I'd say it's not really the general consensus (because the game is still so new) But it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Not because its deserving to be considered lesser but it's certainly less digestible to the average person when compared to the simple nature of the previous 2 games.
ゼノブレイド3微妙 (xenoblade 3 mediocre) is top search result on twitter.
I didn't think this was the case when I beat it but after coming into these threads I'm gonna have to agree.
This game has spawned more headcanon schizo's that didn't understand the game in the slightest. 2 had a fair share of them as well but they don't hold a candle to the amount that 3 has spawned. Normies have issues with thematic story telling which is probably why 3 will be regarded in the same way older Xeno games are and not the ones with more mass appeal like 1/2.
Older Xeno games aren't regarded at all.
No it is not at all. It’s far better than 2 and I’d say a little better than 1
>It’s far better than 2
The ONLY reason I'd rank 3 above 2 is because of the dogshit Blade system dragging 2 down.
It's certainly not better than 1.
The plot in 3 is easily the worst in the series.
I don't know if the general consensus is 7/10 and worst Xenoblade.
I think Chapter 5/6 being the peak and then it kind of fizzles out in the end is more consensus, but I think every Xeno game has at least one section that fricking sucks ass, and the one for 3 is just meh.
>1 is everything in Mechonis after Machina Village to the fight with Egil cause its boring as shit and just a long annoying grind.
>X is honestly the end of the game, since its just "you know all the questions we set up throughout the game to be answered in the end? We aren't going to answer any of them and add a few more. Frick you".
>2 was like chapter 2/3 when it decided to be the most cringe anime ever written.
3 got off comparatively easily since its "worst" section was just sort of basic "save the world" shit with a few exceptions that weren't enough to totally make up for it. I think people are harsher than they should be since this is pretty much the only xeno game that doesn't have an 11th hour twist that completely recontextualizes the entire game like 1 and 2 had. I may have preferred a little bit more oomph, but its definitely not fricking awful.
>people are harsher than they should be
Are they? I've literally not seen anyone complain outside of contrarians on Ganker that probably haven't even played the game.
So far 3 has the worst reviews on amazon jp.
It might go even lower considering some people have yet to finish chapter 6 and 7.
>play through until it's time to wake up miss Queen of Agnus
>feel like too much was emotionally resolved at once, hard to work up the motivation to continue
Like, wow, they made it hit hard, but what the frick, couldn't they have saved some gut punches for the end?
i should clarify by this I mean I'm finally being told "go wake her up now", so this is right after the massive string of twists and reveals associated with Mio's fake death.
>wokeblade 3
>sheboon artist
Cringe