>Odin introduced, built up, and defeated all in one game

>Odin introduced, built up, and defeated all in one game
>We're "told" about how horrible Odin is, but we never really see it- he spends most of the game just being a kind old mentor to Atreus (sure, he's manipulating him, but Atreus is manipulating him back - That's not nearly as bad as everyone makes him out to be)
>Asgard is a tiny village and Odin himself lives in a normal log cabin
>The whole game builds up to Ragnarok, only for it to be over in about 5 minutes with no real losses (Brok dies beforehand and it's like they just sacrificed Freyer at the end because they realized that nobody really important died on the good guy side)
>The whole Angrboda/Jotunheim bit drags on forever and nothing happens. The Atreus sections in general feel like padding
Ragnarok was a big step down from 2018. The whole thing feels rushed and you can tell that this was originally a trilogy that got pared down to two games. Odin, and really Asgard in general, are the biggest victims. We hear so many stories about Odin in the first game, but then we don't get enough time with him in the second game to see him as the monster he was made out to be. Stabbing Brok just felt like a last minute "shit, we need to get the audience to hate this guy" moment. Thoughts?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed
    at least the Valhalla dlc story was much better than the main game

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was surprised when things just wrapped up all of a sudden after that weak ass gaynarok
    Thought it would be a trilogy, with the third game as this prolonged war of the realms

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Norse mythology is so boring compared to Greek

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just so much.... weirder? Which is strange since it's more "modern" than Greek mythology, you would think that it would make more sense

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is anything in Norse mythology weirder than Zeus turning into all sorts of animals to frick women or Medusa's dead body birthing Pegasus from her very neck?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norse has much older origins than the Greek. It goes back to before the ice age, before Indo-Europeans migrated back to Europe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not weirder it's just dull. Greek myths inspired better tales.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. has never read either of the Eddas and only knows Greek and Norse myth from mutt cartoons & comics

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the norse mythology we have today is not the mythology of the actual norse
      modern norse myth is just the two eddas written by christian monks who likely took liberties with the original myths, very little else survived the christian revolution
      this is in opposition to greek myth which came about in a place where people who werent christian could read and write

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people who weren't Christian could read and write
        Nordgays couldn't read before that?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still can't

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          very few could and nordic runes arent a particularly good writing system even in those cases

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What we know about Greek myths comes from playwrights, poets and references by philosophers; it was also originally spread by mouth and the writings aren't the original stories.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its not perfect, sure, but its alot better preservation than 2 measly books written by people who fundamentally opposed the notion of the myths themselves

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The writing was cringe. Pretty sure Oden didn’t talk like a New Jersey car salesman

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Oden
      Why are literally ALL EOPs dyslexic?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would have preferred the original outline for GoW where Kratos becomes one of the three wise men and eventually atones for his sins after he meets the Lord

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where do you think they could take the GoW series now that the norse got SMASHED and SLAMMED?

    Hard mode: no Atreus spin off

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the issue with him being built up and dealt with in the same 70 hour game? Do you need 15 years and a trilogy of these to build up Odin?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the issue with him being built up and dealt with in the same 70 hour game?
      It's not a 70 hour game unless you're absolutely dogshit. The issue is simply pacing. There's too much ground to cover in a single game to do justice to a figure like Odin, and they wasted the entire first game just talking about him, but we never see him. That wouldn't have been a problem if it still ended up being a trilogy because they could have spent the next TWO games developing Odin and leading up to Ragnarok. But when it got cut down to two games, suddenly we have to meet Odin, build him up, and take him down all in a single game. And the sleazy, New Jersey grandpa that we got simply doesn't match up to all of the stories we got about him from the first game. Feels like a completely different character

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't feel like there probably is too much ground lol, you can build a villain up in one game even if it's just 25 hours long. That's a long, long time, the issue sounds like a writing one. I refuse to believe this version of Odin or any version of Odin would need 3 large scale games anywhere near the average length of these massive projects. I'm sorry but it seems unnecessary. If a movie can establish and settle a villain in 90 minutes no game more than even just 10 hours long has a time issue.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have a guy who is not only a warrior but also learned magic on top of being a sly old fox. And what does the final battle boil down to? He levitates in place and casts a lame spell before getting beaten up by a kid and a woman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like a presentation issue with his boss fight. Not a failure to build him up. The entire lord of the rings trilogy is about 12 hours and that's less time than this one game.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the lord of the rings trilogy doesn't have to bog down its story with gameplay sections. how moronic are you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Plenty of games tell stories while having gameplay. Still not an excuse. Some of them tell complete stories and they're not even 6 hours long.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and this one doesn't. that's the entire point of the discussion

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was agreeing with you until you used such a moronic example. A continuous 3 hour movie is not the same as 3 hours of a video game. You know that too, stop being moronic and saying shit not even you believe just because it helps your argument.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not moronic the entirety of those movies is not used to build any villain up. Maybe 10% of them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I won't disagree with you that it's certainly a writing problem. Can it be done in one well in one game? Possibly, but they certainly didn't achieve that there. And when it feels as rushed as it does here, another game certainly would have helped

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every bad guy is actually a good guy.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like Frigg and Freya being combined into one. I preferred Wagner's version.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God of War, more like God of My Wife's Son am I right?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because gamers cannot even comprehend the story like Last of US 2, I think simple story like popcorn movies is safe bet.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then how come jap games with incredibly convoluted plots are beloved for their very plots? These generic Hollywood stories cater to literal NPC """"people"""" who'd equate shit like the Avengers to the Iliad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then how come jap games with incredibly convoluted plots are beloved for their very plots?
        what is very plots? the problem with Japanese anime and rpg games is that they always to throw some nonsense like EVA did years ago. when I was kid, I was amazed and try to understand what they tried to say in their stories. Now I understand they just copies old stories like "Space Runaway Ideon" with more mystical presentation.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Goy of War is shit
    A Palword thread died for this

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed the gameplay and the level design, but yeh the script and characters were very reddit-tier. The Valhalla DLC was absolute kino though, as another anon said, it was better than the main game. I wish they'd make something like that for the next game, but inevitably they won't.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    troony game

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how quickly Freya stops hating Kratos
    >2018 says Thor and the world serpents fight was so colossal that it splintered the world tree and sent him back in time
    >gets hit, just pops out of existence and that’s literally it, nothing else happens
    >the entirety of 2018 is spent telling us how thor and odin are horrible, irredeemable c**ts
    >acktually they’re le human too!
    >atreus jotunheim section longer than the entirety of ragnarok
    lmao

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I couldn't finish ragnarok, which is a shame because I actually really liked GoW 2018.
    The writing was vastly inferior to the first game and characters would not shut the frick up. They were incapable of just shutting the frick up. Maybe it's a stupid reason to drop a game but it drove me insane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking of bad writing, they completely ruined Mimir. It's been too long since I played it to remember specific examples, but I just remember that for the "smartest man alive" he kept saying a lot of stupid shit in Ragnarok.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he can only be as smart as the writers and it turns out californian video game writers are not.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They both suck.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could tell that Corey and Jaffe weren't involved in any way with this game. I honestly loved the beginning, maybe even the first half. It started pilling on the references to the Greek trilogy, which the first game went out of its' way to avoid. Immediately going into callback mode about "the man who killed an entire pantheon because they hurt his little feelings" made me think this was going to have Kratos get close to his old ways. Lots of callbacks, lots of smaller rage moments from Kratos as if Thor was getting him to slip, Freya coming after you with sincere nuance as a villain with a few really good scenes of her surprise attacking you and shaking the world around you, and it really upped the scale and combat.

    Then Freya is just on your side, you're rescuing her brother, and contrivance after contrivance hits one after another. The world feels horrifically small and I can't tell if it's just a weird scale issue or if the game is implying we've only seen like 1/1000 of each realm, but I feel the game is saying we've fully explored these worlds and my issue with that is that who gives a shit about Ragnarok then? There were like 30 people combined in all of the realms. Nothing even worth saving. The scale is super off. In one hour of GOW1-3 you run through tons of cities and armies of people, the world feels alive, but in the Norse games the scale is just fricking strange. Like are the boat rides meant to be hours long and we're just in a scruntched world? Like I get it's video game logic but it really bothers me here.

    Odin was terrible. Tyr was handled poorly in the main game, but great in the dlc. Heimdall was great, but Kratos went -350iq during his fight which didn't make any sense. Rangnarok being a fifteen minute segment with the entire budget suddenly gone was the worst thing they could have done, and the Avengers (mainly Freya's brother) just ruined it entirely for me.

    Hate angroboda being black for no reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is Jaffe involved in *any* games nowadays?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Heimdall was great, but Kratos went -350iq during his fight
      The Heimdall fight was strange and disappointing. I loved the idea as it was introduced - a magic duplicating spear that could overwhelm even the future sight of Heimdall. I was picturing some special weapon that would spawn hundreds of copies of itself to confuse him (obviously it wouldn't have been able to be a regular weapon like that). Instead, you just get a spear that lets you slowly throw 4-5 copies. How the frick did that overwhelm Heimdall? He can't foresee that if he catches your spear it's going to blow up in his hand? The frick?

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