>OH GOD OH GOD I'M SO SORRY I SHOULDN'T HAVE PIRATED ALL THOSE GAMES PLEASE GOD SAVE ME FROM THE BURNING IT HURTS SO MUCH NO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FORGIVE MEEEEEE!!!!
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There’s nothing but the void when you die
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shame about the cringe at the start
this
what possesses atheists to bring up their religious beliefs at any possible opportunity? you realize it's obnoxious, right?
>what possesses atheists to bring up their religious beliefs at any possible opportunity?
Fear of the consequences of not believing God is real so they try and cope by saying he isn't real. But then they don't realize the devil is just tricking them into thinking he and God dont exist.
Convince me hell is real, I'm willing to listen.
humans exist
The fake Hell isn't real. The earth we live on is the real hell
>The earth we live on is the real hell
I'm far more inclined to believe this than anything in the Bible.
The Bible has been proven accurate time and time again, though.
>but dude check out this (confirmation bias)
cool that totally proves that a man walked on water and came back from the dead
>a man walked on water and came back from the dead
Correct.
>source: some book that people who shit in their water supply and wiped their asses with their hands wrote
cool story bro
>people who shit in their water supply
Are you moronic?
This is the kind of nonsense only a predditor would say.
>Are you moronic?
>asks the christcuck
oh the ironing
Concession accepted.
Don't talk when you know nothing about history or how people build societies.
Please offer proof that Christianity is correct. Protip: The Bible is not proof.
>Why not? Because I say so!
a book written by dune coons over a millennium ago is not proof of anything, please get a real argument
>dune coons
>old so wrong
Not an argument.
>dune coons
>old so right
not an argument
Never made that argument.
You, however, made the faux-argument I described.
You didn't make any arguments, you just cried like a woman because you have no proof of you giant invisible israelite in the clouds beyond a book written by subhumans. have a nice day Black person.
Take a break and come back when you've calmed down from your tantrum.
Don't post again until you have tangible evidence of Jesus' divinity (re: never).
See
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see
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if you exclude certain things a priori then what's the point of conversing?
you're not being honest.
Nta but the Bible IS the claim you can’t use the claim as evidence for the claim
>the Bible IS the claim
It isn't.
Also, it is irrational and dishonest (as you do) to exclude an entire collection of historical documents rather than treating it like any other historical document, for the purpose of discussion.
>it isn’t
Ok so what god are we talking about?
>treating it like any other historical document
Even if it was a historical document that doesn’t mean everything in it is true, documents are cross referenced with other documents.
>Ok so what god are we talking about?
What reality are we talking about?
>Even if it was a historical document that doesn't mean
So you retract your a priori exclusion of the Bible itself, as a collection of documents?
>I just wrote on a wienertail napkin "jesus was a homosexual"
>what, are you just going to exclude things a priori?
>you're not being honest
eat a gun christBlack person
>>I just wrote on a wienertail napkin "jesus was a homosexual"
So?
>So?
my exact reaction to the bible
See
>New Science
>This ONE """"""""new science""""""" confirms my beliefs so it's true! But all the other """"""""nu science"""""""" that doesn't are just israeli demoralization
404 point not found
Why would it not be possible for one of the writers of the bible to know that happened without god telling them?
You said
>I'm far more inclined to believe this than anything in the Bible.
>anything in the Bible
Why are you moving the goalposts, already?
>inb4 wasn't me
nta but real historical events being mentioned in the bible is not relevant, idk what the argument is supposed to be
>real historical events being mentioned in the bible is not relevant
So you just move the goalposts each time you're proven wrong. Very convenient.
i already said im not the anon you were arguing with
there's more than one anon replying to you, moron-kun
>wasn't me
It's a fair point but it's more proof that the Bible isn't just a book of metaphors and fairytales. Much like the historic proof of a great flood, we can dive into the argumentation that sure the events happened but maybe God wasn't present but it's a far cry from "ITS ALL FAKE ITS ALL BULLSHIT" that the more militant atheists posit
Or maybe they were just predicting and retelling shit that happened with some frequency back then or that was reasonable to expect and woah it actually happened, who would have guessed.
This is the kind of thing someone says and then they go to hell and realize how wrong they are. This earth is FULL of anguish and torment but it is still a plane where good and joy can exist. Hell is the furthest thing removed from God for all eternity, not a paltry 100+- years. If you've smiled or enjoyed yourself a single time at all in life which I'm sure you have, your argument completely falls apart
I'm pretty sure that if hell was real, I'd find some way to smile. Probably by calling Satan a homosexual and telling him he'll never be a woman. Too bad it's not, so I'll never get the chance.
I'm not gonna argue that hell is real, but I will argue that the afterlife is. If you just follow the idea of the Law of Conservation of Energy it's likely that the afterlife is real.
What part of the law of convervation of energy translates into an argument for the afterlife?
That if we extend that theory, which holds constant for all matter and energy, to consciousness, it's most likely that we continue to be conscious after death. If matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, why could consciousness be?
If your brain gets damaged, you become a vegetable and your body is still alive what happens to your consciousness? Same question for elders suffering from dementia.
I can't say exactly where it goes, but it's absurd to think that it disappears. Nothing else in the universe disappears like that. Why would consciousness?
Because consciousness isn’t tangible. It’s an abstract concept created by humans.
False.
How much does the consciousness of an average human weigh in pounds?
As much as my fat fricking sack. I cherish jacking off little sperm into the toilet.
king reply
Why do you presume materialism to be true? Here's a video from a man actually educated in philosophy, I'm a lowly math major.
>watch muh video
If you can’t summarize an argument you aren’t worth engaging with.
I'm trying to, but the video will be able to summarize it more concisely and possibly get it across to you better.
>I’m trying to
No, you’re lazily shifting someone else’s arguments off in place of your own. I’m not watching anything you post brainlet.
Category error.
>science openly refuses to study consciousness for decades because it is “too hard”
>finally has started attempting at a snails pace
>this means it doesn’t exist, despite cognito ergo sum
You’re a brainlet.
>need muh science to have an opinion
Vaxxie vaxxie heart attacksie
Not what I claimed. Also mRNA shots aren’t a vaccine and I haven’t had any of them. Also, my post was a refutation of someone citing science with regard to consciousness. Seethe moron.
No, the post you cited was refuting science with regards to consciousness. Cope christcuck.
Then where does my qualia come from? How would my subjective experience jump out of pure matter? Your arguments are absurd
It comes from your brain. You say my arguments are absurd and yet you still can’t give proof that consciousness is a tangible object.
>you still can’t give proof that consciousness is a tangible object
Because it isn't. It isn't material. It does exist though. Does energy exist to you? You can't hold a unit of energy.
No but you can measure energy. What unit of measurement can we use to measure consciousness?
I can't because it's inherently subjective. Subjectivity actually is consciousness in a sense
No, subjectivity is based on life experience and genetics. Your brain firing neurons is not proof of consciousness in the same way that your desktop isn’t sentient yet
>Your brain firing neurons is not proof of consciousness
You're right. It is not. What is proof is the fact that I experience life. The existence of a first person is proof of consciousness.
No one claimed it was a tangible object. You claimed it didn’t exist. Stupid troon.
The person I was responding to argued for the law of conservation as proof that consciousness exists. The law of conservation only applies to tangible objects christcuck.
>The law of conservation only applies to tangible objects
Is energy a tangible object? We can only observe energy by the effects it has on matter.
Yes, and we can measure energy in joules. What unit of measurement can we use to measure consciousness?
We can't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It literally does, at least as far as we’re aware. The burden of proof is on you.
I can't provide proof to you because the proof of my consciousness is available only to me
Guess I’ll just take your word for it bro. People don’t lie or have delusions after all.
Well the proof of your consciousness should be available to you just like the proof of mine is to me.
>have delusions
Doesn't that imply being conscious?
No, it implies your senses and/or brain not functioning correctly.
Then what is being deluded?
And what does "functioning correctly" mean?
>then what is being “deluded”
your perception of reality
>And what does "functioning correctly" mean?
It means in accordance with how your species has evolved.
>your perception
What's that?
>"functioning correctly" means in accordance with how your species has evolved.
Huh?
Perception - the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
Oxford English Dictionary
>Huh?
Too complicated for you to process?
Glasgow coma scale, mirror test, others exist.
And what measurement did they use to compare consciousness in different humans?
What is a "tangible object"?
No it applies to energy too. And I don’t worship israelites. All these posts itt and not one of them correct.
And energy can be measured. I will ask for the third time this thread, what unit can we use to measure consciousness?
Not sure why it's so hard to grasp that there are things we can't know.
It isn’t. I’m rejecting your postulation about things you don’t know.
Going to make a prophetic guess and assume its some unit of information entropy like bits
Christianity predates Judaism.
>It’s an abstract concept
How do you sense an abstract concept?
What sense makes you aware of consciousness?
NTA but the fact that I experience it
I asked specifically for the sense. You know, smell, sight, taste, touch or hearing.
It's all of those. The fact that you experience all of those is proof of immaterial consciousness existing
Plants have senses. Does that mean they’re conscious too?
I don't know. They don't have senses in the way that I do though, or at least idk if they have them. Do you know the concept of qualia? That's what I have.
Your perspective, personality and viewpoint are determined primarily by your life experiences and secondarily by your genetics. They’re categorized and stored in your brain. Just like every other living being. And when your brain gets damaged you lose all of it. Just like if you were to smash the hard drive on your desktop.
>Just like if you were to smash the hard drive on your desktop
My computer is not conscious though
Exactly.
But I am
You claim.
I know. I know that I'm conscious, but you do not.
You claim again. Still no proof.
What do you want me to do? The proof is available only to me, and that's just the nature of things
Even if only one person can testify to its existence that doesn’t make it real. How many kids could testify that there’s a monster under their bed?
That's different because consciousness inherently as a concept can only be experienced by one person
I thought everyone had consciousness though. Or are you flip flopping on this now too? Also each kid imagines the monster under their bed in different ways unique to them. Doesn’t mean it’s real.
>I thought everyone had consciousness though
I never said everyone had consciousness. I have faith that they do because I do, but I don't know for sure.
>faith
And the arguments go out the window.
I don't have proof that other people are conscious, no. Do you have proof that a bridge you drive on is sound? No. You have faith
No, i weigh the risk of the bridge collapsing against the fact that thousands of other cars drive over it every day, some at the same time I am, and yet the bridge doesn’t collapse. Except when it does. If a bridge were to collapse while you were driving over it would your faith collapse with it?
Bridges do collapse, believe it or not.
Yes, that was the point.
You’re arguing against faith in their stability now. Do you even know what it is you’re arguing for anymore?
Not the same person
Then why did you reply to me? Your response would have made more sense In response to
When was nurture proven to more determinative than nature? Also, wrong.
When it was proven that single parent households produce the vast majority or criminals. Also no argument.
Nope, Black folk produce more criminals than single mother (not parent) households. Also wrong, someone stating a fact without proof needs no more refutation than being told, “wrong”. Stay mad.
And the majority of those Black folk were born to what households again? Same with the white criminal population. Also, wrong. Mald.
No, they don’t.
The venus flytrap begs to differ.
The ability to detect a stimulus is not a sense.
NTA but I think that that's the exact definition of a sense.
I don't understand your question.
See
hell is a concept devised after the second temple period and isn't even a concept that's always been within abrahamic religion
>Convince me hell is real, I'm willing to listen.
If you keep on acting like you own yourself and there isn't a God and you'll find out how "real" it is.
prove the hindus or sikhs or buddhists aren't the correct truth
I didn't grow up being told about them so what little I know is equivalent in my brain to fairy tales, like Jack and Jill or Humpty Dumpty.
so there's no reason christianity is any different
Yes there is.
why?
Because Jesus claimed his own divinity and proved it by rising from the dead.
there's no proof of this happening other than what we're told which is as valid as any other religion
Yes there is. You just don't like it because you jerk off to cartoon children.
post proof jesus died and came back
no, the bible is not proof
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444308334.ch11
Offer a better explanation of the events we know of, and I'll listen.
No non-Christian has ever been able to.
>can't just post clear evidence it happened
lol
I did.
My prediction is that you'll continue to move the goalposts by denying basic historical facts.
what you posted doesn't say anything, all you did was tell me to buy a book
That's not a book. It's a chapter.
What possesses non-atheists to shill their fantasy deity and fiery bdsm fetish on every board?
Didn't happen.
If you'll read the thread, the OP's premise is predicated on christcuckery being true. I know reading is hard for you Christian types, but it's right there.
stop raping toddlers
Take your own advice
Im a child of god, not a christian or a homosexual. So again, stop raping toddlers for jesus
Sure thing, pedo
>atheists
>religious beliefs
certified moron
We don't sign our posts here.
lmao
Peak soi
goteem
Ganker didn't used to be an american right wing shitfest. Atheism was the norm until the election tourists came and shit up the entire website
Atheism is still the norm I think it’s just loud contrarians
Hell in the Bible is just permadeath
Ganker is contrarian, and being Christian is one of the most politically incorrect things you can be, along with straight, white and male.I'm tempted to become a Christian just because of how much it makes israelites seethe, but I could never believe something so monumentally fricking moronic.
Nothing moronic about it.
A lot that's moronic about atheism, thoughever.
Atheism is not a belief system. There is no claim that nothing turned into something. Whereas religious beliefs hold gods up for which there is no proof.
This is an american site, most americans are some form of chose-your-own christianity.
Most Americans are white too, but whites are still the most persecuted racial group in America.
Are you not allowed to go to the grocery store because you're white? Stop believing twitter/reddit/ pol are real life
>twitter/reddit/ pol
Go back homosexual.
>OH GOD SOMEBODY CRITICIZED LE BASED /misc/ homosexual troony DEUS VULT MY TRAD CATH BROS
The fact that you grouped in /misc/ with reddit and twitter tells me all I need to know about you. Also, not a Christian. Go back, homosexual.
Yes. It's an echo chamber for the politically incorrect. You can say things that go against the narrative, but group opinion is still affirmed via saying "based" or "cringe"
>Yes. It's an echo chamber
No, you're just a fricking homosexual.
Good thing you have those images from /misc/ to makes arguments for you. Are you capable of thinking for yourself?
>Good thing you have those images from /misc/ to makes arguments for you
The only reason those images exist is because reddit Black folk like yourself make the same moronic arguments over and over again, without fail.
That's right, everyone who disagrees with you is part of the enemy team.
>everyone who makes reddit arguments is from reddit
Yes, that is correct. Now go back, homosexual.
Nta but they have those images because you can’t refute them. Prove me wrong.
>not a Christian
cringe
>Ganker didn't used to be an american right wing shitfest. Atheism was the norm until the election tourists came and shit up the entire website
There isn't even a void. Death is often likened to a void because there is nothing for you to experience afterwards; a void of experience. But this is an error; there is no longer a "you" to experience any void. Death is more like a dreamless sleep that you never wake up from.
You might be moron. Pick a time from before you were conceived. That’s what atheist death is supposed to be like.
I'm not stupid! Your stupid!
/thread
And how would you know that? I think it's more likely that life continues in some way after death
I've been there
Shit sucks
story time, anon
We already know what things were like before we were born. It'll return to that.
Not really lol. I have always existed. I have had consciousness as long as I remember, but I only can't think back because my memory fails. Did I not exist at the age of 1 because I remember nothing of it?
You defend consciousness because it extends to the limits of your memory ("I have always existed") and then you further defend consciousness because your memory fails you ("I can't remember always being conscious"). Your post deeply embarrasses me.
oh, thank god
fpbp
What about the apple theory
Sorry the Poincaré recurrence theorem
How does consciousness even work if a same version of you will exist again. You can't see through someone else's eyes if your current self dies. What would it even be like would you even know
The complexity of your brain leaves an imprint on the fabric of reality. When you die, the desperate firing of your neurons leaves a shadow on the higher dimensions. This shadow persists after your conscious cessation as an other self detached from from this dimension, but still anchored to it.
This is your ghost.
The stronger the firing of your brain, the darker the shadow, and the more powerful your other self's haunting will be.
Some are strong enough to continue interacting with the world.
😉
Source?
>the cope of the hell-bound
I'd be rationalizing too
Hell is for children.
There's adults there
Based, salvation is only for those over the sacred age of 18
That's why having sex with some8ne who's only 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds old is sinful, they are unclean
okay Pat Benitar
What makes you think you aren't going to Hell? You are being mean to other people right now, not very righteous.
>he thinks consciousness is simply neurons firing off in our brain
I'm not a christcuck who believes in heaven/hell, but there's probably something after we die
Was there something before you were born?
moronic. There is certainly an afterlife
You are wrong, when you die you get transported to the most moronic isekai you have read as a true mob character. Not one with special skills and you have no knowledge of your past life.
I think this is the most plausible result. We don't have any examples of consciousness without a physical brain, and changes in the physical state of the brain causes changes in personality.
Not true, if I am to believe you then all psychics are scam artist and I would take their word over some no face Ganker poster.
>matter has a tendency to concience, and yet people believes this
not my problem
i dont remember
>all these replies came from christcucks
Kek
>t.
moron
there is an afterlife, consciousness lives on after death
yeah it's just concealed from us, like all the other copes
hi Exdeath
If you are a person of logic and intelligence devoid of religious affiliation this would be your least likely conclusion on afterlife.
why's that
You were technically already in that "void" period, yet you are concious right now, thus defying your own logic.
Not really, because I believe in radical change. Radical change can be the same as death. What you desire is a continuity, a sense of influence transferring from one life to another.
That's your wishful thinking and has nothing to do with the point, the point is that the endless black void after death is logically improbable.
>the point is that the endless black void after death is logically improbable.
why? because you're so important that this has to continue? someone somewhere will be alive, sure, will that someone be you? Your point of view will transfer, yeah?
It has nothing to do with my own identity lol, conciousness might as well be shared by all living things, but whoever you are or what you are will never perceive the absense of conciousness.
An infinite amount of time has passed before our birth but a finite amount of time will pass before we awaken in a new body wherever that might be in the universe.
who is the 'you' that awakes in a new body?
Who is 'you'?
I'm not making any claims for continuity so I have no answer for that question, there is no 'you' except for a temporary delusion that there is
Exactly which is why its bound to repeat, personal identity is merely a physical thing and is not attached to conciousness.
so why should there be any continuity at all? why should consciousness continue from one form to another, rather than end completely and then begin anew in something else?
Hold on a second, how is beginning anew different from continuing?
because there is nothing at all tying the two things together, same as some person you hate existing at the same time as you exist right now
Correct? That does not intersect or conflict with my point at all.
good, then you (or anything related to you, not even your consciousness) won't wake up anywhere after death
It will though, because it most likely already did, i don't need to be 'i' to do so.
it will the same way you are currently experiencing other consciousness
Correct.
that being not that all
?
I mean you are not experiencing anyone else's consciousness currently
I am experiencing the conciousness that resides in the current physical body its being hosted, whatever his/her human name might be.
you just lost the plot I think, beginning anew IS different from continuing, continuation implies something transferred, reread the god damn posts
That's uncertain, regardless if anything transfers or not once you lose conciousness you will immediately wake up and live again, no matter how much time passes in between.
who is this 'you' that will live again? you say it's consciousness... but do we share the same consciousness? Christ.. you completely missed my point. Obviously you're currently in one body only, you don't see out of my consciousness, why is that?
Phaedo?
Do atheists believe in reincarnation or is it just one shot in life for you guys?
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, an atheist could therefore believe in reincarnation but without conclusive evidence the notion would be silly and hypocritical.
>Atheism is a lack of belief in gods
False. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.
What's the difference?
The gas I just farted would be "atheist" by the former, incorrect definition.
There are some people who don't believe in a god (or at least specifically the abrahamic god/any religions specific gods) but still believe in things like ghosts, karma and reincarnation.
Personally I think that's kinda weird, you'd assume one would be a strong indicator of the other but maybe I just don't get it.
Personally I don't believe in anything supernatural, metaphysical or spiritual and I assume death is like what life was before I was born.
Those concepts simply deal with a layer of reality that we cannot ordinarily interact with. There's strictly no need for a god to be involved, which is why you may see some atheists or non-religious people believe in those concepts.
What do you mean by "supernatural"?
What defines the boundary between "natural" and "supernatural"?
Natural as in, we can scientifically observe it and study it. It doesn't have to be physical, but its effects on reality can be seen and interacted with (e.g. gravity)
Supernatural as in, we cannot observe it normally, there's no tangible way to interact with it, the only way to interact is entirely personal, subjective, or mystical explanations for something happening that one does not have full information for e.g. (I saw a ghost of grandma, something bad/good happened to me because of karma/luck/destiny/divine providence)
>he thinks you die when you're killed
NGMI
Didn't Jesus pirate bread and fish by duplicating it? Would Jesus burn in Hell for that, anon?
No because, he is the boss's son.
Jesus is the head dev, he was sharing demos.
Isn't that the same as a pusher giving a free hit?
>Would Jesus burn in Hell for that
no because hell is for goyim
>duped bread
>modded wine
>respawining in a permanent death server
>knows the admin
Blatant abuse
Jesus literally pirates fish and bread.
nice try israelite, hell is for your tribe
If you can't beat them, join them.
Shalom
""The Force"" is Hebrew idolatry. There is only one true God.
Intellectual property is fake and worthless
Gas the israeli system
i'm only following in christ's footsteps
>Who's Jesus, huh? Some joker just made out of clouds, living in the sky so he can boss me around, tell me I ain't allowed to touch myself that way 'cause it don't please him.
>Masturbation is specifically designed to please me!
>No one's getting hurt
>Except "The Wildebeest".
> Yeah.
>I give him a name.
test
I pirate games yeah but if i end up really liking one I buy it at sale on steam. I believe in meritocracy so I only buy things that actually deserve my money
How to be saved
>thats right, im not sorry i typed the n-word in every club penguin chat so many times
If I go to hell it's for way worse than downloading GBA roms as a teenager
Is stealing from infidels really a bad thing?
>that towelhead behind him
took me by surprise kek
by pirating these video games i'm refusing money to the military industrial complex who collects license fees, ergo, i am morally righteous
nah homie you still pay tax money
>Tried to download the repack of FF7R
>Over 100 parts later I find two of the very last ones are offline
I don't need Christian hell, my dumb ass is already there.
>I hate skinnerbox videogames I don't need a carrot to chase I'm a mature adult not a zoomer
>OMG YASSS SKY DADDY WILL REWARD ME IF I'M A GOOD BOY BETTER HELP PEOPLE FOR SELFISH REASONS BASED BASED BASED
religion is dumb
Do atheists call their fathers "daddy"?
Are daddy issues where their anger at God comes from?
Christcucks literally say father who are in heaven.
Try again, but bring a real argument next time, friend
You do call your father "daddy", then?
>why yes i anal gape toddlers but its ok i begged god for forgiveness so i didnt do anything wrong, how could you tell
Don't project
>"I got groped and it didn't ruin my life"
>"YOU MUST BE A SICK PEDOPHILE"
ok pedo
>"no you HAVE to have been traumatized because someone grabbed your balls once!"
stop being such hysterical b***hes. some dude groping your sack isn't remotely the same as getting violently raped and it's moronic to treat those things as the same crime.
You can't speak for other people's trauma anon. That's the whole point. And being a figure with an audience gives you a responsibility to not say dumb shit like that. There are people who are traumatized by getting a boner in class, no shit it's possible that a boy got his balls fondled and that possibly affected the rest of their life, it's heinous to say that it's impossible any boy who got his nuts groped was traumatized. There is supreme irony however in a molested boy hating God
Im not christian, so by definition I cant be a pedophile
Yes you can.
pray to jesus another 9 times, maybe he will forgive you for what you did to those little boys. gods mercy is great when youre a christian. Rape toddlers and go to heaven. The message of the bible
Why are you projecting your evil deeds onto me?
That won't help you when the time comes.
It's very odd that he goes on to speak for the entire group of boys and saying "I don't think he did any of us any lasting harm". It's such a moronic and unaware statement, it may have done lasting harm to Dawkins and he may very well be aware of it. Hell, one could stretch this further and say his disdain of religion AND GOD the ultimate authority figure comes from him being violated by an authority figure. Yes it's a stretch but you can't say shit like being molested didn't harm me therefore it didn't harm any of the group of boys I was around
>heheheh... so you fapped to dicky...
>Straight to Heaven!
daily reminder that judgement isnt for christians to do and this thread only exists to frick with you for every moment you post in it
>AAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>WHY OH WHY DID I POST SPOILERS ABOUT NEWLY-RELEASED VIDEO GAMES ALL OVER THE INTERNET NOW I'M BURNING IN HELL FOR ETERNITY PLEASE SAVE ME
I got banned for a week for spoiling LA Noire when it came out on Switch. It was like a fricking 10 years old game at that point.
It has nothing to do with the thread but mods are fricking gays
>we reviewed your appeal and was rejected try again in 3 days
That is fricking moronic, my condolences Anon.
>I got banned for a week for spoiling LA Noire when it came out on Switch
yeah that sounds about right
>mods are fricking gays
undeniably true
>eastern religions
>You will be judged according to your deeds, and your reward will fit your good deeds, or your punishment will fit your sins
>christianity
>You simply don't believe in jesus? alright buddy, enjoy being tortured forever
I'm pretty sure you'll go to the hindu/buddhist hell for millions of years just for eating beef
it's not exactly fair either
Why's it okay to attack Christians so much but mention anti israeli statements and you'll have your shit censored so fast for hate speech
because muh turn the other cheek, christians are the goodest goys and biggest cucks on the planet
>religion fanatic
Cringe this is why the elite laugh at you
>Cringe this is why the elite laugh at you
They'll have to answer to God for their deeds, too.
Answer to what God hmmm? We have so many God in this planet
What reality do you live in?
Its all dumb as shit and no one knows whats going on but abrahamic religons have roots in the bronze age, do you know how stupid people were back then?
This is hilarious stuff. I love this notion that gay moronic millennials who don't know how to set up their own fishing rod and also don't know what a fricking alternator does are smarter than any man in history. If an EMP went off tonight you'd starve to death within 10 days.
Most boomers are so moronic that they don't know how connected the abrahamic religons are and then send their equally moronic children to fight in stupid wars while companies like Haliburton laugh their asses off. Did you know that israelites and Muslims believe in Jesus but just differ on his importance. You would think after the king james version came out the number of people that actually read the bible would increase but it requires more than the 8th grade reading level which is the average of the country. Anyone see the interview where trump couldn't name a single bible quote?
>chronological snobbery
>appeal to novelty
Preddit-tier brainletism
This is a good image.
nta but yours is a good image anon
I do like spreading good images over the internet.
What's funny is how real this could be. People wouldn't think of you as some magic devil but would wish you to create what you're talking about. Like if you showed them a smartphone they'd still be able to figure it out by you teaching them 🙂
>Well you see in my time there was a total of 7 companies that made the parts for these things, and the "brains" of these machines were made by specialists and then mass produced by machines so they weren't really able to be made by hand.....and you think of this as magic!?!? Hahaha how quaint! You're stupid insect brains couldn't possibly understand how advanced our society is. So tell me, where is the water that's safe to drink?
Why is consciousness such a complex subject it's fascinating but at the same time no one knows what it truly is
It's just to hard from a scientific view at the moment l imo. Philosophy seems to be the best way to explore what consciousness is since science just doesn't have the tools or techniques to do it yet.
Science is a branch of philosophy though. You can't be a good scientist without being a philosopher
I hate philosophygays so much. It can be interesting to argue about morality but when it descends into nihilism and attempting to define things into existence it's annoying as shit.
Philosophy is the most fundamental and important field to study. Moreso than math, science, languages, history. Of course they're all interconnected.
I think consciousness is just the consequence of several traits coming together in one place for separate reasons. Like how separate traits come together to give us a beetle who can fire weaponized acid or a bug that can fire sticky traps as a form of hunting or even octopus and their amazing camo abilities.
>there are people who know god is real
>there are people who know god isn't real
who do i trust
Weigh the arguments and make your own decision.
>this thread
Kek I bet the elite will love this
Kenny Omega only posts on Ganker.
Any god that would send someone to eternal damnation for petty human laws is the last god that should be worshipped
Remember that EU report that got suppressed because it said there is no evidence that piracy harms industry at all?
imagine being an aztec peasant and going to hell forever because you died a few weeks before the spaniards arrived and would've converted you
your fault for being born on the opposite hemisphere from where God dropped his only prophet ggnore
shit like this and a million other logical inconsistencies is why I could never take christianity seriously
The Lord forgives and it is not on us to determine who goes to hell and who does not.
sounds like a moronic non-answer
You didn't ask a question
The implicit question is
>why does not believing in God and worshipping other deities damn you to hell if for thousands and thousands of years millions upon millions of people had never even heard of the guy
>>why does not believing in God and worshipping other deities damn you to hell
This question has already been answered several times.
Your SIN is what condemns you to hell.
>I don't like it
Not an argument.
>logical inconsistencies
There are none.
>There are none.
ok moron
>redditors are highly intelligent with many users in stem
Of course they wouldn't belive in the sky hoax
Me, being an enlightened centrist, realize SJWs and religiongays are two sides of the same globohomosexual brainwashed coin.
We come from nowhere and will dissolve into nothing
I keep despairing and returning to pray to Christ but I never feel better for having prayed, I feel like a child throwing a tantrum and the parent pays no attention to the childs shenanigans. I know I will return and pray again my faith in Christ wavers but is never broken. But I should give up on prayer I wish I could since I know its foolish but I am a fool and I come back for more.
Am I meant to believe that the reason I don't have a relationship with Christ is because I am not sincere? I feel that I am earnest I pray while crying deeply longing for love. But it is futile, at this point I'm not afraid of hell, when I plummet to hell I can finally say 'there you are! finally I have real knowledge of your presence" killing myself is desirable I shouldn't even believe but I really want to I want a supernatural savior in this universe that doesn't care for my own turmoil.
I wish my internet was good enough for piracy shits too slow
>Pirate game company loses $50
>Pirate $1.000.000 copies of the game
>Company loses $50.000.000
>Bankrupt
>Buy Cheap company stocks
>Now The President of the company
>Delete my pirated copies
>Company gets $50.000.000
>Now you can buy all the games you want
You're welcome Anon, or should I say...Mr CEO?
Is it true that the Bible doesn't talk about hell that much and our modern concept of hell was mostly invented by the church to scare people?
There are mentions of Hell but it doesn't talk much about what it's like, it simply mentions that when you die you are judged, and from that judgement you go to heaven or hell. Heaven is an incredible place that we also dont know heaps about but we are told it's the good place and Jesus who is God's son and also God and also man pulled a frickin cheat code and made it way easier to get into heaven with the ultimate sacrifice. That's about the size of it give or take some stories, rules, songs, and poems
Yeah pretty much
Biblical "hell" is your soul going poof when you die instead of partying with the angels in heaven for all eternity, burning in a lake of fire and brimstone while cackling devils poke you with pitchforks is an invention of the later church
Most of what we think about hell comes from dante's inferno, which was literal fanfiction
>he thinks consciousness stops
Oh no no no don't tell him, he doesn't know
Well actually he might've known at some point in history, but since then he has forgotten as memories don't follow you in death
>Weeee! I'm so glad I pirated all those video games!
>God creates man
>Gives man free will
>Man does thing god not like
>When he could have prevented this
Is god the ultimate cuck?
Free will isnt biblically supported it’s a Protestant meme that’s essentially become canon in the mind of the average Christian because predestination which is explicitly supported makes people uncomfortable
Tell me more about this - I can absolutely see it being true
Will just copy paste the relevant verses from Romans.
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[a]
16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[b] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[c] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?
What Paul is saying contextually is that mercy is freely given AND withheld; God explicitly knows who will reject/accept him at the moment of their creation, and Pharoah rejecting God in Exodus was explicitly not Pharoah's decision. Some people are made to be saved (special pottery) and some people are made to be destroyed and die the second death (common pottery). This makes people SUPER uncomfortable because it's not fair by any reasonable metric.
>it's not fair
What do you mean by "fair"? And why not?
Yes he left all of his trust to a women
The story of adam and eve somewhat supports the idea of other intruding deities, they can be angels/fallen angels but removed biblical books name other deities or at least beings above humans who frick with us and try to ruin shit for us like that homosexual snake who got us kicked out. They're certainly not on God's level but there are many things we do not know that leaves to question why God would allow the snake to tempt man in the first place. That's somewhat besides the point though as if we place understanding that there is a God who created us and places us in either a good place or a bad place, it's not really information that is necessarily owed to us.
So he's not an omnipotent god then? just some being above humans?
Kinda like a dog and their owner. Are we gods to dogs?
No, God is the top, I'm saying that there are unanswered questions that imply beings above humans but under God. God is omnipotent and omniscient but again, these aren't answers owed to us and God's refusal to outright answer them for us/man's destruction of the removed biblical texts isn't proof that God isn't all powerful.
>God is omnipotent and omniscient
>But somehow couldn't deal with some gays trolling him
I'm not convinced anon. Either he's omnipotent or not. There's no "kinda"
And if he's not omnipotent, is he really a god or just someone higher up in the food chain?
God can allow things to happen that are inconvenient for us, its all part of God's plan.
>He can allow things to happen because...because he just can ok? trust the plan
I dunno anon. You're losing me
Doesn't make much difference to me tbh. It's the importance of faith, you either do or don't.
No, I think that's an arbitrary set of rules that you set and God is not beholden to. It's a cute thought experiment but in much the same way that gravity doesn't owe you a higher jump, God doesn't owe you everything good and positive. A life without hardship is a life not lived or whatever.
>god makes children suffer various horrible atrocities that regularly lead to death because he wants you to grow 🙂
>NOOOO ITS NOT FAIR, GOD OWES ME AND EVERYONE ONLY A GOOD PURE LIFE WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM NOW
that'll show Him
>Dude has literally the ability to make all evil, pain and suffering to away in a single snap of the fingers, costing him nothing (assuming he's omnipotent and shiet)
>hmmm, no I won't lol let them suffer
That's not owed to you
really didn't refute what that anon said, at all
>god allows innocent children to suffer in the worst ways possible for no reason whatsoever
>this is somehow not evil and is worthy of worship
>IF GOD IS ALL GOOD, THEN HE CANNOT BE ALL-POWERFUL
>AND IF HE IS ALL-POWERFUL, THEN HE CANNOT BE ALL GOOD
christcucks have still yet to refute this
Why not?
Pwned
because if he is all-powerful, he allows evil to happen, which makes him evil
and if evil things happen that he can't stop, then he's not all powerful
also this goes without saying but you're a monumental homosexual
Non sequitur.
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/popular-writings/existence-nature-of-god/the-problem-of-evil
>Non sequitur.
you don't seem to know what that word means
>reasonablefaith.org
oh ok you're just moronic
>you don't seem to know what that word means
Yes I do.
>u le moronic hurr durr
I accept your concession.
that's a good one, just deflect all arguments criticizing god as "non sequitur" so you don't actually have to bring a real argument
>arguments criticizing god
?
>IF GOD IS ALL GOOD, THEN HE CANNOT BE ALL-POWERFUL
Non sequitur.
>IF HE IS ALL-POWERFUL, THEN HE CANNOT BE ALL GOOD
Non sequitur.
Refuted.
Neither of those are non sequiturs you sub-80 IQ literal Black person.
They are. You're arguing manmade concepts with the metaphysical.
>God's rules don't apply to him because... BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T, OK????
keep coping cuck Black person
They aren't Gods rules. They are your rules that you believe apply to God. Like arguing noneuclidean geometry must follow your understanding of geometry. You have a child's understanding of things bigger than yourself and don't see it
>You have a child's understanding of things bigger than yourself and don't see it
>t. believe in my god or burn forever
k, keep believing in Santa Clause Black person
I accept your concession and may God grace you all the same
I offered no concession, and after you die you will experience nothing. Your dead relatives will not be waiting there to greet you. They are gone. Deal with it like an adult instead of clinging to your extended universe israelite fanfiction.
You'll be in hell, forever and ever, because you rejected the free gift of salvation.
Considering biblical hell is "you're dead" and lakes of fire and brimstone is all after the fact fan fiction I'm willing to take that risk.
>fan fiction
Of what? Do you know what that word means?
>keep believing in Saint Nicholas
I will.
Yes they are.
No. No, they are not, you fricking moron.
Anti-patriarchy sentiment is the root of all evil. Remember feminism originally started in the garden of Eden by Satan. MGTOW is Adam's way of wrestling against Satan without the help of God. A nihilistic cop out. The meaning of life may just be reclaiming the position of God's laws as the only source of what is good and evil, lawful or satanic. Without God, mankind is insane and lost in its ways.
The world is a threshing floor. Here, we learn our impotence without God. It's a lesson in humility, not a punishment or mishap. We are free to roam the pasture, but will starve or be eaten by wolves if we stray too far. And we have strayed very, very far indeed.
>We are free to roam the pasture, but will starve or be eaten by wolves if we stray too far.
You religiongays always make posts that read like gay teen journals from 2006 deviantart.
Pearls before swine.
Abstain from replying, if you have nothing to contribute.
Just wait till they see what Jesus really looked like
SHIEEEEEEET
Devs of the Antichrist will see no money from me
>Your heart says that you never pirated a video game. However, your heart also says you bought games by Ubisoft. Into the underworld you go.
To genuinely believe in Christianity is to believe everthing detailed in the bible is history, not just a story. You may believe in a god and an aftterlife but I know a majority of christians are constantly coping and lying to themselves to maintain their weak faith.
>be gay
>all major religion now condemns me to eternal hellfire
Not leaving me much choice here in terms of belief...
I hope you choose chastity
I thought only muslims and christians gave a shit
i've never seen a israelite or a buddhist protesting gay marriage
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all say being gay is bad. I don't think most eastern religions really give a frick
Homosexuality in Judaism is a big no-no. I think it depends on what branch of Buddhism you follow.
Doesn't sleeping with someone of the same sex count as sexual immorality?
Fornication counts as sexual immorality.
And since marriage is only between a man and a woman gay people can only sin or have no sex. RIP.
Celibacy isn't all that bad. I might end up in it if I don't find a wife.
Jews, israelites 2: Messiah Complex, and israelites 3: A New Prophet all have a pretty dim view of homosexuality owing to all being branches of the same religion
Christianity predates Judaism.
Judaism as an oral tradition predates Christianity
False.
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/did-god-also-give-moses-an-oral-law/
Being gay does not condemn one to hell.
Sexual immorality without repentance does. That applies to straights too.
>anyone who's gotten a blowjob and not repented for it is going to hell
frick you and frick your moronic cuck religion
Anyone who has sinned and not repented is going to hell, yes.
Why does God send people to hell by default?
Instead of
>you jerked off once, you go to hell!
Why can't he be like
>hmm you watched porn but you also donated to the poor and helped the elderly, welcome to heaven!
He is. Just follow Christ, ya ding dong
because then the church couldn't scare you into giving them money
>money
See
's pic. How did being persecuted and executed in gruesome ways earn them money, exactly?
>how did forming a group and demanding money based on a lie earn them money, exactly?
moron alert
You dodged the question. Feeling cornered?
Why would the apostles lie to get themselves killed and tortured for no reason?
You aren't very bright, are you?
>You aren't very bright, are you?
says the guy who believes in an invisible sky daddy
Do atheists call their fathers "daddy"? Do you have daddy issues?
I'm pretty sure the Bible does actually present it as a measure of good deeds versus sins but your average priest doesn't really benefit from telling you that you can be a good person and go to heaven and also get sloppy toppy from another guy
Ephesians 2:8-10
So if we're saved by God's grace and not of works then why shouldn't we sin?
Because it's wrong.
Your choice to sin is what sends you to hell.
Giving money doesn't erase the fact that you sinned.
Side note: Don't start LARPing about charity work you don't do.
This is exactly what I mean.
God only focuses on the bad things you've done and completely ignores the good, why?
>a million charitable deeds won't get you into heaven, but 1 minor sin will send you to hell
Not to mention all sins are absolutely not equal. Stealing food to feed your kids isn't the same as murdering someone in cold blood, but in the eyes of God they are apparently
>God only focuses on the bad things you've done and completely ignores the good
False.
>all sins are absolutely not equal
True.
>in the eyes of God they are
They aren't.
Yes, that is one of the many reasons why I don't believe in your cuck Black person religion, thanks for reinforcing my conviction that everything you believe is moronic and wrong.
>I don't believe it because I don't want to face the consequences
That's your problem.
Your problem is that you're a coward too scared to grasp the finality of death, so you cling to fairy tales like a small child.
You're scared of facing the consequences of your sin.
I face the consequences of my sin in life, just like everyone else, moron. There is no afterlife. When you die, you're dead. That's it. But you're too scared to face that fact, so you cling to some lies that shysters made up over a millennium ago. You have zero proof of anything you believe. You're a fricking rube.
>I face the consequences of my sin in life
You haven't faced them yet.
You're only kidding yourself.
>There is no afterlife.
There is, and you'll have to answer for your deeds.
>you're too scared to face that fact
False. You are too scared to face judgment.
>There is, and you'll have to answer for your deeds
And you know this Base on what
>blah blah blah muh israeli dune coon fanfiction
cool story, don't care
Christianity predates Judaism.
>dune coon
Not an argument.
>fanfiction
Of what? You don't seem to know what that word means.
>Christianity predates Judaism.
No it doesn't, you fricking moron.
Yes it does, you ignorant tool.
>Believe in God and Jesus
>Go to Church maybe twice a year
>The only times I do go I don’t give money
>Never confessed my “sins” of fapping to anime girls
Am I going to hell?
Good news: Hell isn't real.
It's real and you're headed for it, if you don't repent.
>day 727,445 of no prufs
shut the frick up, homosexual
You're going to hell if you don't repent.
Whether you believe it or not doesn't change that.
>source: dude trust my sand Black person book
no thanks, I'm good
Trust the facts and follow where they lead.
If you accept Christ you go to heaven. Simple as. Christ and God recognize that we should try to be as good as we can be, but that we are incapable of being so good that we earn our own way into heaven, as such we can only get into heaven through Christ
>this thread
Damn 2000 years brainwashing is very affect here.kudos to the guy who help spread this to the world you came so close to control the world
It is healthier for your psyche that you believe in God. It's not a part of every recovery program as an act by BIG RELIGION. it is better for you to believe in a higher power
The enlightenment age was a mistake. It birthed the redditors of their time
Ganker - Christianity
The concept to death terrifies me, just one day ceasing to exist, all my memories lost to non-existence or whatever.
Scary shit that keeps me up at night for hours if I don't distract myself.
It will be just like before you were born, anon.
You don't remember the tens of thousands of years that happened before you were born. It's just like that.
How do you know we weren't conscious before we were born?
Because you'd remember it, doofus.
Even if you were conscious before you were born, you still don't remember it today. Would it be the same (you)?
I don't remember lots of dreams I have. Does that mean I wasn't conscious during them?
>. Does that mean I wasn't conscious during them?
No, you were literally dreaming. You were asleep.
I'm fully conscious during my dreams though.
>I imagined a million different things when I stared at the wall for six hours
>That means everything was real and totally happened
Do you really believe?
? I'm conscious during my dreams because I have the same fundamental experience that I have while awake.
Unironically, yes.
I live within my own waking dream, I refuse to accept reality as 'real'.
I know this sounds crazy but when I was a kid I had this moment where I remembered so much stuff I didn't understand and wanted to remember it... as soon as I was aware I forgot most of it completely in a second . Now that I'm older I'm remembering things and I hope I'm not reliving the same life over and over again
I got bad news for you but I am the player character. You're a mere NPC who believes you experience all these things but in reality you do not.
😮 why don't I hear more of you then protag
I think we're still in the prologue. You must be in an area I haven't unlocked yet. Just keep doing what you're doing so you can have a cool quest or some general information when I reach your area.
Why do christgays come to Ganker to preach?
Abrahamists (mainly mudslimes and christcucks) believe they will get good boy points in Heaven if they convert people and kill those who disagree with them
>believe they will get good boy points in Heaven if they convert people and kill those who disagree with them
False.
>AAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Only moronic women Black folk scream like this and frick my ass give me aids mmmmmmmm smear that poop all over my mouth baby yeah i'm such a filthy little boy punish me daddy
Wat
Pretty sure god is an 8 year old with a super computer in the year 3000 playing sims 500
Huny why does Timmy keep lighting fireworks in the house
The real black pill is that we've already died, and this place IS hell.
Religion is a tools to bring order to human civilization if Religion don't exist there will chaos everywhere so don't act like religion is more than what you think to be
>implying that starving corporate leviathans isn't buying me good-guy points with our Lord
so where did we come from before we born
My ideal scenario of post-death is being given two options: NG+ of the same period you've lived before or NG commencing from the moment of your death. In short, a repeat of your previous life with additional perks or continue beyond it from scratch, memories and all.
>people still discuss if Christian God is real or not
If zeus or Odin not real then so is yahweh
Gumbercules? I love that guy!
Non sequitur.
Also, Zeus and Odin are created beings in their respective systems.
>ng+
Anon.....consider how long mankind has been around, if NG+ existed you'd be on NG+1000 and yet you remember nothing. There is no reincarnation to an earthly body
That's why I call it an ideal scenario. I wish for such a setup, but it obviously isn't probable. Or at the very least, memories aren't carried over no matter what.
>this thread
Man my old men is right 99% people on this planet are dumb and ignorant
so was did god read the divine comedy and was like, "oh shi lemme implement some of this"?
No, the divine comedy is just fan fiction about s guy who wants Beatrice sweet frickin pussy
it baffles me people wake up everyday and do all sorts of things in existence and think its just gonna end after you die you dont even have to believe in christianity but i still think thats fricking stupid
Why?
Do cows have an afterlife? What about dogs? Ants? Because in the scope of the universe, you're exactly as insignificant as all of them.
>Do cows have an afterlife? What about dogs? Ants?
Yes.
>you're exactly as insignificant as all of them.
False.
Also, do you believe significance is an objective concept, then?
It's simple. If you systematically slaughter and eat other beings then you're more significant than them. This is why cannibalism is forbidden everywhere.
>cannibalism is forbidden everywhere
false
There's still a few places where they want to send their fellow superior beings to eternal damnation by eating them but most places and cultures don't because they recognize the consequence of this.
>muh eternal damnation
post disregarded
It's true. Luckily for you your chance of being cannibalized is extremely low in [current year] so you have little to worry about.
>It's true
>source: my israelite book
cool story bro
I'm not Christian you silly boy. You go ahead and tell me what cool culture reveres cannibalism.
>I'm not Christian
cringe
Christianity precedes Judaism.
>espousing blatant blasphemy and historical revisionism to own the atheists
lmao
>False.
prufs?
>Also, do you believe significance is an objective concept, then?
on a certain scale, yes
>on a certain scale
What do you mean?
zoomed out far enough
Significance is an objective concept "zoomed out far enough"?
What does that mean?
there is an intrinsic survival mechanism in humans and animals, why do animals do what they do if they have no soul and are just going to perish after their eaten? They don't think about it.
>do all sorts of things in existence
Exactly what part of your existence do you think indicates there's an afterlife?
So if I live my entire life having never heard of the Christian God or Jesus what happens to my soul when I die.
If you're righteous, the first circle of hell, which is like what you think of when you think "limbo". Things are okay, but not Heaven. If you are a sinner, hell like the rest, irrespective of what you actually believe. Dante explores this in the Divine Comedy.
>the Divine Comedy
You could've lead with this so I could just ignore the rest of your post, circles of hell and purgatory have no biblical basis.
What happens to the soul of an individual who has never heard of God when they die?
Hell. Plus who gives a frick. Its all fiction so any fanfiction is as valid as the "canon".
>Its all fiction
What is?
Non meme answer is your judged purely on your works, did you do good things?youll be fine. For a majority who went the nihilistic route the void awaits your lack of faith doesnt give you a free pass from judgement.
>your judged purely on your works
the bible states many times you need to be a true believer and admit jesus is our lord to get into heaven
yes that is the way you have to believe in jesus to bypass your sin and be put back in heaven we cant save ourselves if you have never heard of him your judged on your works and asked to follow him on judgement day even up to the last second your given choice thats his gift of absolute free will
i don't believe a being that requires worship for you to not suffer eternally is a being worth worshiping
Theres no suffering eternally he gets nothing from that all of the fire shit is dantes inferno garbage. God is good everything that is good is God if you do not want God then you dont want good theres literally no reason to deny him other than wanting to keep being selfish and evil he wants nothing but to enjoy existence with his children.
>if you don't accept me then you are evil
sounds pretty psychopathic to me
believe what you want we all have free will just dont let the clock catch you before you've actually pondered on your soul there is and end to this for everyone
sorry anon, i don't worship evil and anyone who insists they are all that is good while allowing suffering of innocents at the hands of evil is evil themselves
It doesn't matter what you believe is "worth worshipping".
What matters is what actually IS.
evil is not worth worshipping
Correct. So repent and turn to Christ.
>Free Will
Romans 9 explicitly says some people are like bad pottery meant for destruction and like Pharoah God hardens their hearts so that they will be destroyed as a point of comparison for his mercy.
Depends, did you do bad things?
You go to hell because you were never baptized.
Next question.
>fear of death
Is this why people find religion to cope
Yeah, probably.
No, fear of God.
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 9:10).
>replying to yourself
Sad.
I didn't reply to myself, jerkass.
Sure thing, bud.
>Over 4000 religions worldwide all with their own creation myth stories that contradict each other
>believing in any of this bullshit and not coming to the rational conclusion that this shit exists because the world was more unknown back then and people needed answers they didn't have
lol, lmao even
No you can't think like this that kind of thinking is bad news for the elite
>Bad for the elites that don't want you to worship God and mock Christianity at every turn
>Bad for the elites who worship the deities that God crushed and had the tribes who followed those deities smitten as well
Oh anon, tell Baal I said hi and to git fricked
I'm pretty sure the elite benefit from christcuckery, at least the ones in America.
Is that why Christianity is attacked by the media and entertainment industry?
He think the elite cares about that when Christian still popular in the world
Yes, Christianity needs enemies so that their followers can form bonds over their shared hatred of them. It's also the most harmless way to do it because at worst they just seethe on the internet and their local haunts. Fortify belief without ever drawing true opposition.
That makes no sense.
all of those religions did nothing and only one carried us into a new existence...hmm... sounds like....a miracle
dumbest shit I've read all day, thanks for that
yes as usual no arguement let me guess you think humans just randomly decided to do good and come together lmao
>do good
it's like you're losing IQ points with each post
No just a group of people are smart enough to realize that and then they create religion to help human civilization stable
>all of those religions did nothing
What? I pretty sure they did more before Christians came to exist
>all those religions did nothing
Roman pagans built the foundations of the western world, Rome was so important that half of Europe has spent the last two millenia larping as the inheritors of the Empire
Nah, the cult of christcuckery doesn't have any validity for simply winning the culture popularity contest. It does mean that cult committed the most crimes against humanity in its efforts to spread however.
No, anti-religious atheists did. Christians, on the other hand, built the first universities, hospitals, and charitable institutions, caring for pagans as well which earned them favor with them, and made unmatched contributions to science.
Most people don't take much time to think about their religious beliefs at all.
For example, think about how many converts there are actually are in the world, it's an extremely small number and when it happens it's quite notable because of this.
If everyone in the world seriously decided to question why they believe something, would almost 99% of them really all come to the conclusion that the EXACT religion and faith they were born in to, their culture promotes and their parents follow happens to be the actual correct one? I think it'd be an absurd coincidence.
>Most people don't take much time to think about their beliefs at all.
FTFY
>t. raised by Reddit and excludes himself from his faux "analysis"
>people disagree about reality so reality doesn't exist
Non sequitur.
Reality can exist without religion, how narrow-minded and insincere you are.
Point flew right over your head, eh?
>the world was more unknown back then and people needed answers they didn't have
So the Hellenistic Pantheon is real? Lightning is Zeus chucking his spear from olympus?
>that image
Yes, that makes sense. Remember that witch burnings were a thing a few hundred years ago. Unless you believe those people burned were really witches and sorceresses?
>Remember [irrelevant topic]
Nice deflection attempt.
>'cause we are too stupid to notice that shamans are making things up
I think history has proven that, yes, people often trust authority figures even when they're blatantly wrong.
Yes, people are on record for willingly going along and believing absurd moronic things because humanity is a SOCIAL species, people need each other and they will go along with sheer moronation if it means having others who will watch over, care and help you. See every new cult that sprung about in the last 100 years.
The Holocaust is a good example of this funny enough
it sure is, though I don't find it very funny
Well it's funny if you see it as something that didn't happen - and the same people who hate religious people for being superstitious and unquestioning don't ever question the Holocaust for the propaganda it is - it is the most successful and sophisticated modern propaganda ever created though so it's not like it's easy to step over though I will say.
People make up stuff all the time, and other people keep falling for it, it's not that surprising. Also, all the systems existed because they give people a purpose.
>smoke comes out of volcanoes because Hephaestus is working at his forge
at last I see
>christgays have no argument to why other religions are wrong other than "i'm just right"
kek it do be like that
See
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Stop samegayging.
>everyone I disagree with is the same person: a complete fricking moron's guide to discourse on Ganker
go back and have a nice day, homosexual
I rather believe in zeus or Odin than some israeli god
Zeus is a created being.
Odin is a created being.
Christianity precedes Judaism.
That is why I believe in them more than your God christgays
Non sequitur.
>>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!1!
Correct. Mistranslations don't count.
Based on what Jesus said.
Christianity precedes Judaism.
Self-defense isn't murder.
The old testament precedes the new testament.
God = Gaia = Ymir
All religion is based upon the same foundation. They all appropriate each other.
You will burn for treating that person like shit. Or from fapping to you know what. Pirating should be the least of your concerns
None of you can ever prove you have an experience of reality. For all I know you could all be following the same laws of physics as everyone else your brains doing the same neuron firing but in the end you have no experience of it. Just an automaton. How do you reconcile this? Does it even matter?
hehe you're in my computer
People randomly get assigned experience IO. Every other person is an automaton but you'll never know it.
To right the countless wrongs of our days...
We shine this light of true redemption, that this place may become as paradise...
Oh, what a wonderful world such would be...
I imagine this is how liberals will justify the next Holocaust
No one has any fricking way of proving they are not pic related
I c. therefore unicorns exist?
man
I don't wanna die bros..
You. Me. Let's become best friends. Get some memories together. Make our lives count.
No one wants to, but everyone does. Enjoy every minute of life, because, despite what some hucksters will try to sell you, there's literally nothing after the grave. You get eaten by worms and then they shit you out.
>You get eaten by worms and then they shit you out.
You're more than just your body though. Sure, your body will wither, but you will carry on, in some sense.
It's sad, and we'll all go through it, but we'll do it together.
>we'll do it together.
false
Dying alone, huh?
Everybody dies alone.
Except for me.
Nope. You too.
No. This is my save file. If I die you all die.
Everyone dies alone.
Once you bounce back from the initial existential dread that you will stop existing and the world will continue without you life genuinely gets a lot better
It's crazy how much people get so uppity and stressed over the most mundane shit when you can just enjoy life while you can
Better hope that all those isekai stories were on to something.
I like to think religions like Buddhism have it partly right. I hope the 'soul' still remains as ambient energy that then transfers into another living creature, even if its a plant or animal. And maybe in due time your soul will grow stronger through righteous acts. I think reincarnation is somehow more realistic than another plane of existence.
nah that's a buddhist cope, you still desire ownership of some sort of process through rebirth
The whole 'nothing after death' is no less feasible because we still dont even understand the concept of the conscience to this day. Scientifically speaking conscience could be transferred if its a form of energy.
why shouldn't a consciousness end? Is it not allowed to end?
Because energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form over time. Theres a possibility our consciousness is merely a form of energy that will eventually change.
>Theres a possibility our consciousness is merely a form of energy that will eventually change.
It seems far more likely to me that it's just chemicals and neurons firing in your brain that creates your personal so called "qualia", and there's certainly more physical evidence for that with how it's practically proven that messing with the brain directly impacts your consciousness, your personality, your senses, how you perceive things and how you take in information.
>10 year old meme picture
how eloquent!
Not him but who cares? Why does something not being novel make it irrelevant? Being insufferable and saying "it's all just chemicals maaaaan" has been a boring cliche thing to say since it was first said.
>If you don't believe that consciousness is more than just a physical process in the brain then you're a nihilist who believes in nothing.
False dichotomy.
if you're some kind of Frankenstein created from the previous consciousness of enlightened monks, prostitutes, and rapist murderers, does it matter? Are those previous consciousness not destroyed? How is that different from being a brand new consciousness?
I dunno. For some reason I just feel like theres a difference between a new life without knowing, and nothingness.
because you want continued ownership of seeing (consciousness), that's all
I think that once we die, our souls return to the "collective unconscious" before reincarnating.
Why?
That could happen. That may happen. Maybe we continue on as the same people. Maybe Christianity is true. But there's something after death
The Roman should be proud
Of what they spread into this world.using Christians to conquer European are smart move
that makes no sense
>Yeah I probably deserve to be here.
Alternative to the automaton idea. What if we're all actually each other and experience is a constant universally global thing. But a mind can only reference its own memories so the global experience only sees a bunch of limited views of reality and thinks of itself as a bunch of independent actors.
Thats the least eloquent way I've ever seen "We're the universe experiencing itself subjectively" put
I don't like vague statements like that. I prefer awkward ways of over explaining things that contain a little bit more information.
ITT: denialets thinking we aren't all living in Purgatory ITW.
>OH GOD OH GOD I'M SO SORRY I SHOULDN'T HAVE STOLEN ALL THAT MONEY PLEASE GOD SAVE ME FROM THE BURNING IT HURTS SO MUCH NO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FORGIVE MEEEEEE!!!!
>AAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
fixed that israelite's drivel.
Pirating is literally the same as stealing money.
t. bingbingwahooer
>the science people worship literally shows we as a species makes no sense compared to anything else on this planet
>assloads of our functions make no god dam sense evolution wise we just have them for some reason
>time wise we evolved disgustingly with the right tools to take over everything
>there even saying now the space we are from the sun and the way other planets protect us from extinction events perfectly makes no god dam sense
>people STILL wake up and think this is all random lol just die at the end
God help us
>I don't understand it therefore it makes no sense objectively!
Read some books on the subject sometime, you'll come to understand them better.
Sorry but believing and worshipping words supposedly written on a stone tablet thousands of years ago with no proof of existence makes no sense to me.
You gotta remember that HUMANS wrote the bible. Men who wanted power and influence.
Those words simply better your existence its dumb people letting others shit up existence as usual where evil comes from not the bible stop letting them misguide you and give it a read. The think for yourself and dont let others use Gods name to have power over you is all over the bible but sadly most people dont actually read it.
>worshipping words
Stopped reading right there.
You know nothing and understand nothing.
I'm not christian. In fact, I was told I was going to hell for not being christian, so I decided that hell doesn't exist. Religion has no power over me.
What power does getting tortured and killed for preaching the Gospel give you?
I await your mental gymnastics.
How do you think Japan was westernized? Decades of trying to religiously indoctrinate the japanese people, and the Japanese saw that shit happening in real time and massacred said christians. Then America showed up with ships and guns and basically forced them to accept Christ, now Japan is one of the most cucked countries in the world.
thats not even remotely what happened and i hate when every conversation in these threads gets met with made up stuff its like you guys are afraid to actually get proven wrong
>thats not even remotely what happened
Shimabara Rebellion? Biggest civil conflict in Japanese history? Or are you just ignorantly blinding yourself to factual evidence?
>we make no sense compared to anything else on this planet
Not really, we're chimps that started standing up and selecting for being able to run after wildebeest instead of climbing trees to eat fruits.
>there even saying now the space we are from the sun and the way other planets protect us from extinction events perfectly makes no god dam sense
>perfectly
Except for all the times we've been hit by big fricking rocks, the fact that space is big has more to do with us not getting obliterated than a gas giant with a fat gravity well further out in the solar system
>assloads of our functions make no god dam sense evolution wise we just have them for some reason
Common misconception about evolution, there's lots of things that "evolve" that don't have any immediately APPARENT reason for evolving, but ultimately the only thing that matters when it comes to the process of evolution is "did you reproduce", repeat ad infinitum. Everything is secondary and generally coincidental, evolution doesn't pick and choose what mutations happens, they just happen and if they don't interfere with reproduction they stick around.
you are a worthless moron
My fellow anons, Buddhism is the way to go. Frick this Abrahamic brainwashing bullshit. Do some meditation and yoga. Get some freaky yoga b***h.
Honestly, every once in a while I can get the appeal of not wanting that is described in Buddhism.
Buddhism is cooler than other religions, but I can't get behind karma as a concept. You're supposed to build it up to be reincarnated, only to lose all memory and virtue, just to see if you can do it again? Sounds like a never ending cycle of torment to me. Samsara.
>Get some freaky yoga b***h.
Only if she's also antisemitic. That's non-negotiable.
Anon, I'll give you the super secret code word to use around yoga b***hes to see if they are. Ask them if they believe in reptilians. If they do there is a high chance that they think most israelites are reptiles. They just haven't put two and two together. Trust me, I've fumbled some of the baddest b***hes in the world
duly noted
These kinds of posts are embarrassing.
You know nothing about Buddhism OR Christianity and sound like a Predditor.
>My fellow anons, Buddhism is the way to go. Frick this Abrahamic brainwashing bullshit. Do some meditation and yoga. Get some freaky yoga b***h.
Reminder me which religion causes the most war in human history
What if you believe in multiple religions?
Believing in all of them is the safest option as long as Negagod who punishes all non atheists proportional to the number of gods they believe in isn't the real one
>dies
>gets reincarnated as a peasant in an isekai world
>but hey, at least there's magic, so that's nice
This. I am an animist.
I always think that when you die you go into whatever video game/music/show you were watching when you died or whatever anime you can think of when you are bleeding out or just dying. Its pretty much the only thing keeping me going at this point.
Reminder communism is not that different than religion
Yes it is.
It is but it isn't. Humans are naturally superstitious and zealous - it's probably why being neurotic is a thing and why it's an evolutionary adaptation.
Inside an ideological communist state the people who are the most fanatical and loyal to the ideas and truly believe them will rise to the top. That's similar to how religious structures work. The head is a fanatic that will cut his dick off for the cause compared to the guy at the bottom who doesn't care and just wants to make money for bread and wine.
>thou shalt not kill
>I kill a Black person that broke into my house in self defense
>this condemns me to hell
Frick OFF.
>not realizing that the King James Bible mistranslated that part
>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!1!
cope
literal cuck religion
It's a fricking mistranslation, moron.
https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-kill-vs-murder.html
Uh huh. I'm sure it was "Thou shalt not kill, unless it is in self defense, and the other guy isn't the same race as you, and there is a full moon that night, and..."
turn the other cheek, semi-Black person
Christendom really is a slave's religion. Embarrassing.
Yup.
>predditors have a distorted picture of reality
we already knew that
Self defense is not murder.
Fr you'll learn this in a HS criminology class but I guess some people can't into simple thinking.
It's still killing though, b***hes
>God says you'll go to hell for MURDER
>Doesn't commit murder
>Therefore you don't go to hell
All your confusion will go away if you learn the difference between murder and self-defense and understand you're meant to take the words literally and not subjectivity. Killing is not murder (it can be but isnt always) therefore it doesn't imply you go to hell for always murdering. This is increibly simple logic and if you don't get it you're not trying.
It's
>thou shalt not kill
not
>thou shalt not murder
>another /misc/ rageb8 thread hits bump limit
mission accomplished, see you all in the next one
Hmmmm. Still not convinced.
Anyone else think that God shitposts on Ganker?
My posts are actually very informative and sincere.
One final kek at christcucks before archive
KEK
Christ is King.
God is good thanks for the internet
god will love me even if i pirate games
>6 to 1 reply and ip count
Looks like somebody got pretty mad
>The main problem with society rn is the last bit of local community corporations, government, and the internet haven't erased yet
Why?
Because it’s the cause of modern society. It praises martyrdom which created the cult of victimhoon. It preaches collectivism and pacifism.
>collectivism
only way to get anything done
>pacifism
Except against RUSSIANS
>preaching individualism in the Era of the Chinese takeover of planet Earth via collectivism
Your ideology is going to result in a group coming I'm and conquering you on a long enough scale of time