It's gonna be a disaster where Lucario solos everything else, how sad.
It hurts even worse considering Cynthia had the Lucario thing going for far longer.
It wasn't okay when Infernape did it, and it's not okay when Charizard did it to Gary either.
Ash vs Drake is still the best 6 v 6 battle of the series.
The number of moves wasn't the point. The point was all of Ash's pokemon played a significant role in beating strong pokemon, which Ash actually helped by making sure he chose a good pokemon to beat the opposing one, all the way up until the strongest one who couldn't handle the combined strength of Ash's remaining mons.
Battles suck when there's less strategy, some of Ash's pokemon are rendered basically useless, and asspulls are abound.
>Ash is finally an elite trainer >doesn't counter team and use the mons from his old regions like Sinnoh Ash did
What's the point
This too. He's just using the same team he's had throughout the Journeys, he has no major strategy or basis for the composition of his team. and he already wasted his two answers to Garchomp.
Cynthia has 2 pokémon out in the picture against 3 of Ash.
It's going to be a typical battle where each takes one of the other team in turns. Ash probably is taking one down after this.
Yeah it's strange. I thought they were making Lance and Iris look bad with Dragonite to make Ash look good because they wanted to balance having 3 in the tournament, but if Ash's Dragonite gets KO'd easily too then what is the point of giving him one?
What was the point of having 3 Dragonites in this tornament if all of them were fodder/jobbers? Iris should of replaced her jobbernite with Emolga and Ash should of use a reserve mon.
>Cynthia easily beats Iris >it will take Ash 3.5 episodes and max Lucario plot armor to barely beat Cynthia before he wins the tournament >"retirement" has nothing to do with winning or losing, she said it before the fight even started, probably wants to focus on archeology. Wont happen anyway, unless the shows gets a reboot
>Sirfetch'd, Vish and Megacario on the bench
Glad to see the newer Mon will get a time to shine when Ash has his plot armour empowered comeback. Sad Nite is jobbing again, I can only hope it takes something with it.
Ash wins all battles through plot armor. Where were all these plot armor cries when he beat one of the gods of Alola, when heat beat the "unbeatable" Champion of OI with his 10 move Dragonite, when Ash defeats any gym leader, etc? Seems like a lot of cope.
Have you actually watched the show? Almost everything you listed is something Ash worked towards and earned over the course of the series. SM League was the culmination of his efforts across the series AND he had a UB and Mythical. He and Pikachu had faced Koko multiple times, their rivalry was established and there was stable progress towards the win.
Admittedly I do not remember enough of Ash vs Drake to know how well written that fight was but most of his battles against gym leaders involve prior strategy based on any advice given ahead of time as well as impromptu strategizing as the battle progresses and training in preparation for rematches should he lose.
The reason people are calling plot armour for the current season is because he has literal actual plot armour where he cannot lose unless it's for the sake of an arc like with Bea or it's an irrelevant battle to the PWC like when Regice offscreened Pikachu despite Pikachu having experience Regice slaying. You get these weirdly written battles where 70% of the battle is Pikachu or Lucario getting brutalized, 20% is spectators commenting and Ash grimacing and then 10% Ash actually putting up a fricking fight. The passivity and the amount of damage his Pokemon take per battle, especially compared to previous series, makes you think he really shouldn't be winning. Though tbf JN just has shit battle writing in general.
>You get these weirdly written battles where 70% of the battle is Pikachu or Lucario getting brutalized, 20% is spectators commenting and Ash grimacing and then 10% Ash actually putting up a fricking fight
This shitty anime is so obssessed about Ash being the underdog even though he's clearly not anymore.
Seriously, it just comes off as patronizing. If the show were actually consistently written, Ash vs Steven would have been far more evenly matched, if not an outright stomp. Pikachu alone should have torn shit up.
>Have you actually watched the show? Almost everything you listed is something Ash worked towards and earned over the course of the series.
So just like getting to battle Leon? Yup. Checkmate. Ash has plot armor and will always have plot armor. Every win he as ever had is plot armor. Always the underdog, always scremaing his Pokemons name in worry for fake tension because we know he's going to win every badge anyway. It's all so tiresome. What a shit main character he is.
He had to use everything he had to take down Drake’s Dragonite. The effort he put into that battle puts to shame most of his wins in JN. The Drake, Gary, Brandon and Paul battles are examples of underdog Ash being triumphant done right.
Have you actually watched the show? Almost everything you listed is something Ash worked towards and earned over the course of the series. SM League was the culmination of his efforts across the series AND he had a UB and Mythical. He and Pikachu had faced Koko multiple times, their rivalry was established and there was stable progress towards the win.
Admittedly I do not remember enough of Ash vs Drake to know how well written that fight was but most of his battles against gym leaders involve prior strategy based on any advice given ahead of time as well as impromptu strategizing as the battle progresses and training in preparation for rematches should he lose.
The reason people are calling plot armour for the current season is because he has literal actual plot armour where he cannot lose unless it's for the sake of an arc like with Bea or it's an irrelevant battle to the PWC like when Regice offscreened Pikachu despite Pikachu having experience Regice slaying. You get these weirdly written battles where 70% of the battle is Pikachu or Lucario getting brutalized, 20% is spectators commenting and Ash grimacing and then 10% Ash actually putting up a fricking fight. The passivity and the amount of damage his Pokemon take per battle, especially compared to previous series, makes you think he really shouldn't be winning. Though tbf JN just has shit battle writing in general.
I said before, Ash vs Drake is still the best 6v6 match of the series.
Drake starts with Ditto because the mirror match and high level of his Ditto often throws off his opponents early and make them unable to regain their footing. Ash answers this with his strongest pokemon, Pikachu, who barely scrapes out a win through grit and being more experienced using Agility and Thunderbolt. Pikachu is still able to battle, but he has to be put in the back for the rest of the match until the end when he's needed most.
Squirtle vs Onix is a tough fight because of how massively powerful Drake's Onix was, but thanks to type advantage and a good combo of moves, Squirtle pulls out the next KO.
Then when Gengar comes in, Tauros is doing okay at the start but then quickly has to be switched out thanks to Confuse Ray and self damage.
Lapras vs Gengar then ends in a double knock out thanks to both hitting as hard as they can with Ice Beam and Night Shade.
Then Tauros comes back in to have a drawn out slugfest with Venusaur, that Tauros wins thanks to launching Venusaur into the air and dodging a Solar Beam.
Bulbasaur does his best against Electabuzz, but Electabuzz is too strong, leaving Charizard as Ash's only fresh pokemon left. Charizard takes huge damage from a Thunderpunch, but still lands the Seismic Toss.
This leaves Ash with a 4 to 1 lead, but Drake's ace is completely fresh. It's well written.
D-nite is too much for any one of Ash's pokemon, but all together they wear him down and finish with an effective point-blank Thunder
He had to use everything he had to take down Drake’s Dragonite. The effort he put into that battle puts to shame most of his wins in JN. The Drake, Gary, Brandon and Paul battles are examples of underdog Ash being triumphant done right.
This, and the Drake and Brandon battles are even higher tiered then the Gary and Paul battles, cause they don't rely on "Ash's big evolved fire type is just too strong", for the answer for any of the KOs.
They actually subvert that by having Charizard fight well but still get outplayed. He doesn't get the win himself, but he pulls his weight enough that the other pokemon can secure victory.
Yup. This whole thing is just to set up the finale of Garchomp VS Shillcario. Marketing already made it clear that's where this is going by highlighting that both Garchomp and Lucario were raised by their respective trainers since they were eggs.
>giving a shit about the max forms
The faster we get to gen 9 and retcon the max forms, the better.
Too bad the tera hats are worse from a design standpoint, though.
>They're saving Pikachu's spotlight potential for Ash VS Leon so they can have full cinematic parallels by featuring Ash's starter beat Leon's starter.
so Cynthia > Pikachu > Leon
>Cyntha is not going to use Lucario because...Ash has one...
WHY are the pokemon in this fricking tournament all duplicates. Frick off, Iris could also have a Garchomp if the staff remembered that special
Because then the kiddies get confused on who to root for.
The anime HATES multiple characters owning the same Pokemon and ending up battling each other without a distinct way to tell which is which.
Dracovish confirmed to be the MVP of this match, it's gonna take down Roserade, togekiss, be called back and then slam mega garchomp by gigantamaxing.
Either that or mega lucario sweps, unlikely since an event Dracovish its gonna be delivered by mystery gift on the incoming weeks
WTF JNbros you told me that this was Ash's strongest team and he doesn't need any of his reserves? Why is Jobgonite and Jobgar already letting down the team?
Oh shit ash vs cynthia its happening?? Let's go
It's gonna be a disaster where Lucario solos everything else, how sad.
It hurts even worse considering Cynthia had the Lucario thing going for far longer.
I mean ash is only down 1 here, I doubt no other mon takes anything down, though Lucario will obviously be the finisher
So when Infernape solos most of Pauls team it's okay, but when Lucario does it it's somehow not okay?
It wasn't okay when Infernape did it, and it's not okay when Charizard did it to Gary either.
Ash vs Drake is still the best 6 v 6 battle of the series.
Yes the Dragonite that knows 20 moves surely makes the battle better
Yes!
The number of moves wasn't the point. The point was all of Ash's pokemon played a significant role in beating strong pokemon, which Ash actually helped by making sure he chose a good pokemon to beat the opposing one, all the way up until the strongest one who couldn't handle the combined strength of Ash's remaining mons.
Battles suck when there's less strategy, some of Ash's pokemon are rendered basically useless, and asspulls are abound.
This too. He's just using the same team he's had throughout the Journeys, he has no major strategy or basis for the composition of his team. and he already wasted his two answers to Garchomp.
Cynthia has 2 pokémon out in the picture against 3 of Ash.
It's going to be a typical battle where each takes one of the other team in turns. Ash probably is taking one down after this.
>only 1 pokemon behind
>roserade and togekiss weakened already
coping cynthiatard
why are all dragonite massive jobbers and why everyone has one?
Yeah it's strange. I thought they were making Lance and Iris look bad with Dragonite to make Ash look good because they wanted to balance having 3 in the tournament, but if Ash's Dragonite gets KO'd easily too then what is the point of giving him one?
ash's dragonite didn't lost until paul
somehow he keeps jobbing now
It contracted jobitis from exposure to Lance's and Iris'
Because they want to shill dragonite's new form
To make CHARIZARD look better
based
STEVENSISTERS NOOOOOOOOOO
>Having to rely on a Sirfetch'd and Dracovish that have had barely any battles or screentime and also the Shill Lucario
I knew it'd be bad no matter what, but this is just fricking sad. It's like they actively tried to make this as bad as possible.
Ash is a good Pokémon trainer, he’s gonna make sure they win
Dracobish knows fricking watergun, that thing is going down
It's miraculously going to learn a move that counters Cynthias mon mid-battle because that's how the anime works.
Dracovish is up against the was battling Roserade
Dracovish learned psychic fang/leech life
Suddenly the tide of the battle turns.
Is that any surprise coming from the worst Pokemon anime yet?
Was Ash stupid enough to keep Pikachu in against Gastrodon?
Probably
It double KOs with Spiritomb. Watch the preview.
Good to see Dragonite's special training with Torterra came into effect!
game and redgays are seething that Ash is stronger than their self insert braindead characters.
What was the point of having 3 Dragonites in this tornament if all of them were fodder/jobbers? Iris should of replaced her jobbernite with Emolga and Ash should of use a reserve mon.
Spiritomb > Mega-Metagross
Dragonite jobbed again, why this is not surprising me at all
What was the point of giving Cynthia that Kommo-o if she's not even going to use it? The trailer showed her using those four + Milotic and Garchomp.
You can say the same thing about her Glaceon. It was just a nod to the games. Stop taking it so serious.
Steven is so fricking bad holy shit.
They really did him dirty, this and Zinnia really threw Steven title into the mud.
>cynthia narrowly beats iris
>is going to lose to ash
>immediately decides to retire
>Cynthia easily beats Iris
>it will take Ash 3.5 episodes and max Lucario plot armor to barely beat Cynthia before he wins the tournament
>"retirement" has nothing to do with winning or losing, she said it before the fight even started, probably wants to focus on archeology. Wont happen anyway, unless the shows gets a reboot
Cynthia knows her time has come and wants one last attempt at winning (she wont) before retiring.
>Ash is finally an elite trainer
>doesn't counter team and use the mons from his old regions like Sinnoh Ash did
What's the point
>Sirfetch'd, Vish and Megacario on the bench
Glad to see the newer Mon will get a time to shine when Ash has his plot armour empowered comeback. Sad Nite is jobbing again, I can only hope it takes something with it.
Ash wins all battles through plot armor. Where were all these plot armor cries when he beat one of the gods of Alola, when heat beat the "unbeatable" Champion of OI with his 10 move Dragonite, when Ash defeats any gym leader, etc? Seems like a lot of cope.
There's a ton of Cynthia fanboys that want their MILF to win
Have you actually watched the show? Almost everything you listed is something Ash worked towards and earned over the course of the series. SM League was the culmination of his efforts across the series AND he had a UB and Mythical. He and Pikachu had faced Koko multiple times, their rivalry was established and there was stable progress towards the win.
Admittedly I do not remember enough of Ash vs Drake to know how well written that fight was but most of his battles against gym leaders involve prior strategy based on any advice given ahead of time as well as impromptu strategizing as the battle progresses and training in preparation for rematches should he lose.
The reason people are calling plot armour for the current season is because he has literal actual plot armour where he cannot lose unless it's for the sake of an arc like with Bea or it's an irrelevant battle to the PWC like when Regice offscreened Pikachu despite Pikachu having experience Regice slaying. You get these weirdly written battles where 70% of the battle is Pikachu or Lucario getting brutalized, 20% is spectators commenting and Ash grimacing and then 10% Ash actually putting up a fricking fight. The passivity and the amount of damage his Pokemon take per battle, especially compared to previous series, makes you think he really shouldn't be winning. Though tbf JN just has shit battle writing in general.
>You get these weirdly written battles where 70% of the battle is Pikachu or Lucario getting brutalized, 20% is spectators commenting and Ash grimacing and then 10% Ash actually putting up a fricking fight
This shitty anime is so obssessed about Ash being the underdog even though he's clearly not anymore.
Seriously, it just comes off as patronizing. If the show were actually consistently written, Ash vs Steven would have been far more evenly matched, if not an outright stomp. Pikachu alone should have torn shit up.
>Have you actually watched the show? Almost everything you listed is something Ash worked towards and earned over the course of the series.
So just like getting to battle Leon? Yup. Checkmate. Ash has plot armor and will always have plot armor. Every win he as ever had is plot armor. Always the underdog, always scremaing his Pokemons name in worry for fake tension because we know he's going to win every badge anyway. It's all so tiresome. What a shit main character he is.
He had to use everything he had to take down Drake’s Dragonite. The effort he put into that battle puts to shame most of his wins in JN. The Drake, Gary, Brandon and Paul battles are examples of underdog Ash being triumphant done right.
I said before, Ash vs Drake is still the best 6v6 match of the series.
Drake starts with Ditto because the mirror match and high level of his Ditto often throws off his opponents early and make them unable to regain their footing. Ash answers this with his strongest pokemon, Pikachu, who barely scrapes out a win through grit and being more experienced using Agility and Thunderbolt. Pikachu is still able to battle, but he has to be put in the back for the rest of the match until the end when he's needed most.
Squirtle vs Onix is a tough fight because of how massively powerful Drake's Onix was, but thanks to type advantage and a good combo of moves, Squirtle pulls out the next KO.
Then when Gengar comes in, Tauros is doing okay at the start but then quickly has to be switched out thanks to Confuse Ray and self damage.
Lapras vs Gengar then ends in a double knock out thanks to both hitting as hard as they can with Ice Beam and Night Shade.
Then Tauros comes back in to have a drawn out slugfest with Venusaur, that Tauros wins thanks to launching Venusaur into the air and dodging a Solar Beam.
Bulbasaur does his best against Electabuzz, but Electabuzz is too strong, leaving Charizard as Ash's only fresh pokemon left. Charizard takes huge damage from a Thunderpunch, but still lands the Seismic Toss.
This leaves Ash with a 4 to 1 lead, but Drake's ace is completely fresh. It's well written.
D-nite is too much for any one of Ash's pokemon, but all together they wear him down and finish with an effective point-blank Thunder
This, and the Drake and Brandon battles are even higher tiered then the Gary and Paul battles, cause they don't rely on "Ash's big evolved fire type is just too strong", for the answer for any of the KOs.
They actually subvert that by having Charizard fight well but still get outplayed. He doesn't get the win himself, but he pulls his weight enough that the other pokemon can secure victory.
Yup. This whole thing is just to set up the finale of Garchomp VS Shillcario. Marketing already made it clear that's where this is going by highlighting that both Garchomp and Lucario were raised by their respective trainers since they were eggs.
They couldn't even have Pikachu beat Togekiss? That's pretty lame. I miss when Pikachu could fight legendaries and beat other bigger mons.
They're saving Pikachu's spotlight potential for Ash VS Leon so they can have full cinematic parallels by featuring Ash's starter beat Leon's starter.
I hope he finally Gigantimaxes Pikachu.
>giving a shit about the max forms
The faster we get to gen 9 and retcon the max forms, the better.
Too bad the tera hats are worse from a design standpoint, though.
>They're saving Pikachu's spotlight potential for Ash VS Leon so they can have full cinematic parallels by featuring Ash's starter beat Leon's starter.
so Cynthia > Pikachu > Leon
Pikachu gets a double knockout with Spiritomb. Don’t worry though, Lucario will beat the shit out of Togekiss, literally.
>Lucario only beats a tired Togekiss and a fresh Garchomp, while he himself is also pretty fresh.
Could be worse I guess.
Looks like Lucario could be learning Close Combat here
Who cares? You can't build drama or suspense when everyone knows he's going to win so he can go fight le ebin Bri'ish Charizard Man.
>Cyntha is not going to use Lucario because...Ash has one...
WHY are the pokemon in this fricking tournament all duplicates. Frick off, Iris could also have a Garchomp if the staff remembered that special
Because then the kiddies get confused on who to root for.
The anime HATES multiple characters owning the same Pokemon and ending up battling each other without a distinct way to tell which is which.
Yeah the rare cases it happens nowadays there is either a shiny or there are different forms. I wished they gave her a shiny Lucario though
Dracovish confirmed to be the MVP of this match, it's gonna take down Roserade, togekiss, be called back and then slam mega garchomp by gigantamaxing.
Either that or mega lucario sweps, unlikely since an event Dracovish its gonna be delivered by mystery gift on the incoming weeks
>Using Milotic instead of Kommo-o
She deserves to become fodder for Ash.
Post the webm of the rat jobbing or else it didn't happen
Ash is probably still going to win, he's in Ultra Mary Sue mode right now.
as long as diantha loses it's all good 🙂
WTF JNbros you told me that this was Ash's strongest team and he doesn't need any of his reserves? Why is Jobgonite and Jobgar already letting down the team?
>Gastrodon down
Yep, It's Dracovin time