>orange pikachu
>cartoon pig
>green blob with a olive on its head
>just a dog
>just a dog but it is ghost type
>crab that looks stupid
>diglett but it is white and longer
>a fat blob that looks like a frog but isn't one
>disney lemur with hoodie
>wooper but with a different color
What the hell? Pokemon isn't about cool monsters anymore?
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It's called soul. Cry about it, Zoomer. (If the starters evolve into furry homosexual shit I revoke this statement and will join you in shitting on the troons working at GameFreak)
>(If the starters evolve into furry homosexual
By furry shit you mean what exactly?
Bipedal humans wearing fursuits. Anything that looks like a grotesque fetish of homosexuals. Examples being Lucario, Incineroar, Inteleon, Soccer Bugs Bunny, and countless other examples of trash designs for degenerate creeps.
Being humanoid animals doesn't make them furry. By your logic, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are furry
Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are both furry icons, yes, you fricking moron. Jesus Christ, Pokemon are best when they're monsters or fantasy animals, not human language speaking mascots that act like specific cartoon characters. When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character, is when the soul dies.
>When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character,
It's not their fault you have no imagination. A Pokemon species being based on a secret agent or a soccer player doesn't mean different members of the species can't have different personalities. We've even seen that on display.
>A Pokemon species being based on a specific profession doesn't mean they can't have multiple personalities
What, like good soccer player or bad soccer player? Lmao, no. They all look like they're wearing the same clothes, like they already have an outfit on over their animal body. It isn't a lack of imagination on the part of the player, it's a lack of imagination on the part of the designers. They designed a cartoon protagonist, instead of a blank slate animal species. Every Inteleon is the same, every Incineroar is the same. There's a reason why Machamps don't get as much love as Charizard, and it's because every Machamp is basically the same. They're muscle men, that's it, while a Charizard can be a lot of different things. The more specific the design is, the worse it is. Why is classic Weezing better than Galarian Weezing? Because classic Weezing isn't so specific, it's not a British guy with a beard and a top hat, it's an actual species of creature.
Imagine if you went to the animal shelter to adopt a pet and there were Golden Retrievers, Pitbulls, Pugs, German Shepard, and then one species of dog where every dog wears a sumbrero and exists to make tacos, every one of those sumbrero wearing dogs is permanent taco chef and they'll only be happy if you let them have access to your kitchen and cook tacos all day, if you every try to do anything with the dog aside from cook tacos it will get depressed. That's what jobmons are like.
>They designed a cartoon protagonist, instead of a blank slate animal species. Every Inteleon is the same, every Incineroar is the same.
Within the anime alone, Cross's Incineroar, Kukui's Incineroar, and Ash's Incineroar all had different personalites.
>But the anime, though!
Nice avoiding of all the points I raised. The anime trying to salvage dogshit designs doesn't change anything I've said.
>When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character, is when the soul dies
So you mean in gen 1, where every single Cubone is sad because every single one of its mothers died? Where every single Voltorb is easily irritable? moron.
>Look, mah, I found an exception to the rule!
The exception proves the rule. Cubones, Mr. Mimes, and Voltorbs were not the majority, now they are the majority. Keep coping, though, bootlicker.
>now they are the majority
Sure they are. And the most popular and shilled starter is the world is composed entirely of a species of proud ones that never fight a weaker foe.
Nice cope, but you wouldn't get this angry if you didn't subconsciously realize I was right. Your cognitive dissonance creates that pain you're feeling.
That pain...the pain that every single Psyduck goes through. Almost as painful as Ninetales's curse since, you know, every single one of them, "very smart and vengeful". Not as bad as the one from the species-wide "always furious and tenacious to boot" Primeape though.
That's very typical of Pokemon universe. The moment you try to make some sense or question its structure it falls apart.
Why? The answer is simple, because it is a fricking franchise about cute pocket monster, not a Game of Pokes (sadly)
Nah, if you have a working brain you can see that the monsters are designed based on real life creatures, objects and concepts and the descriptions are to make the concepts more apparent. That is all. That is what pokemon are. It is simple. It is obvious.
>Nah, if you have a working brain you can see that the monsters are designed based on real life creatures
*were designed originally.
There are no creatures resembling Volcanoid or Gardevoir or some more exotic like Ice Cream one.
>Objects and concepts
Your brain obviously does not work.
Gardevoir is a more abstract concept than the newer trash, sure. Vanillite is a fun gimmick turning the concept of pokemon on its head; where the concept of the fricking series is that pokemon are based on real life things, vanilites concept is that the real life things of the pokemon world are based on the pokemon first - which further makes the pokemon world a refraction of our own world. It's very simple concept, but clever also. Nothing the average 10 year old can't figure out, but you're like 40? And you're furious that you can't understand it? Sad.
>Your brain obviously does not work.
Anon, I'm sorry to inform you, but your brain works. It just it seems to have delayed its development.
> fictional creation based real life creatures, objects and concepts
Anon, you're just described 101% of most of the human fiction and underlying reason how it works. Xeno (Alien), fantasy, etc etc - EVERYTHING is drawn by creators from real life. Do you know why? Because it happens to be the ONLY ONE FRICKIGN REALITY we have to begin with. So we work with what we have.
Congrats on reaching the puberty. Try "War and Peace" next, very eye opening.
>no you are the stupid one because I am unable to understand the basic ideas you have now explained to me multiple times with examples.
Why are you having such a hard time with basic ideas?
The point of Pidgey is to be a pigeon. That is the point. It is effective and therefore good. The point of all pokemon is to reflect the thing they represent. It is simple.
Not all fiction is based on this premise. In fact, the strength of fiction is that it doesn't need to abide by reality. HP Lovecraft's stories are powerful purely because he writes about unknowable things, something that can only be achieved in writing.
Pokemon are allegorical monsters. That is the premise of all pokemon. The series is unique in its broad scope of adapting every/any concept into a monster. Any thing can be realised as a pokemon. This is a positive thing.
What are you trying to argue exactly? I'm just responding to adults who don't understand these basic ideas. Why are you trying to argue with me when you clearly don't understand them either?
>Why are you having such a hard time with basic ideas?
You are the one having the problem here. You tried to make some argument about pokemon and the subj, but ended up with primitve deconstruction of fiction as a genre and a ground field. Okay, cool exercise. Pokemon is a fiction and follows the same core rules and uses the same building blocks as any other fiction. The point? Where is the fricking point related tp the discussion? Did you forget it on the way here? Please retrace your steps.
I never talked about fiction at all, we are discussing the general concept behind the monsters in the series. You're not even on topic.
Tell me "fiction" is a monster designed to represent a concept from the real world? It's not even valid sentence. You're a moron. Please stop actively refusing to understand what I wrote, thank you
>I never talked about fiction at all, we are discussing the general concept behind the monsters in the series. You're not even on topic.
This:
is a basic deconstruction of a fiction as a genre and creative approach through the lens of pokemon. The conclusions you make not particularly relevant to the subject in question because they are generic. yes, we know Pokemon, as a fiction, inspired by real life things. Yes they resort to some of the known, ole-good approaches on the field. Okay?
> Tell me "fiction" is a monster designed to represent a concept from the real world?
...what. Stop speaking nonsense
No it's not, you moron. It's an explanation of the concept behind pokemon designs. Literally. I didn't talk about fiction at all you fricking weirdo.
>...what. Stop speaking nonsense
You literally just called your own posts nonsense because that's what you're saying to me.
>Bipedal humans wearing fursuits. Anything that looks like a grotesque fetish of homosexuals
so charizard
No, Charizard is a fantasy creature and the species of Charizard allows for lots of different personality types for different unique Charizard. Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player, Charizards are an actual species of creature, unlike the furry homosexual jobmons that all act the same.
>Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player,
"Wrestler", "spy", or "soccer player" are roles, not personalities. The only thing those define are how the Pokemon functions in battle. Their actual personalities can still differ between different members of the species.
>heel
>genki
>bondesque
>Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player,
You are right, fire breathing giant dragon is definitely a waiter at the nearby cafe.
No Pokemon should be a waiter at a restaurant, that's fricking gay homosexual shit. Does your cat work a 9 to 5 at the local 7/11?
My cat does not talk or produce human vocals. It also does not understand my speech. Nor does it behave like a full-fledged person with his own worries and enjoyments.
If my cat was in any way equal to concept of a Pokemon I wouldnt be here.
>It also does not understand my speech
You really shouldn't own an animal if you think they can't understand you. You're a dogshit pet owner if that's true. Take your cat back to the shelter right now.
>My cat can't talk
Neither should Pokemon, you moron. Only Mewtwo was originally able to communicate using human language and that's because he was a psychic genetic abomination. Not even Mew talked, and things were better that way.
> You really shouldn't own an animal if you think they can't understand you.
I think you are either confused or just a moron. They understand my expression. They dont understand my speech. Did you know there is an ancient million dollar bounty if someone finds or raises an animal that capable actually understanding human speech? LIke, UNDERSTANDING.
> Neither should Pokemon, you moron.
>A creature that checks all the boxes for sentience, sapience and intelligence should not speak.
Imagine if humans were all born without speech. Or hearing. or sight. How do you think this would affect evolution of their brain?
> Only Mewtwo was originally able to communicate using human language and that's because he was a psychic genetic abomination.
All psychic can connect with people by definition, in one way or another. The whole limitation on their speech is purely artificial for cutesy aspect and for the narration sake. Coherent speech and ability to directly express one's thought was always seen as a cornerstone of intelligent species. You can't have such species to be put in pokeball or slave-fight on the arenas, that's becomes a bit concerning and odd. So the abstraction was created for the series as a way to ease this aspect. Not that it helped much, Pokemon ARE esentially slave in canonical universe
Pokemon aren't supposed to be humans, holy shit, that's my entire point. When they make them more like humans instead of like non-human animals, that's the problem. Learn to comprehend other people's arguments, moron.
>Pokemon aren't supposed to be humans, holy shit, that's my entire point.
I neve said they should be? I agree, that is the entire point. It is essentially same reason why it is dumb to add breasts to Gardevoir, for example. Same underlying core reason. I agree with you wholeheartedly here.
> When they make them more like humans instead of like non-human animals, that's the problem.
I disagree. I think the visual designs or Braixen/Kirlia/Gardevoir are great. They are still keeping the same approach to the rest of characterization and archetype, but trying to move from feral design for wider freedom.
Some, though, do become a bit weird, like Delphox. In the anime, at least, she behaves way too human, which at moments almost jarring.
> Learn to comprehend other people's arguments, moron.
You made multiple arguments, I agreed with some, disagreed with the rest. If you have got confused in your own discussion then scope down an focus on something single
I agree with your logic. A lot of the newer monsters have no nuance to them. They are way too literal. A lot of the older mons are half baked too, though. There are some seriously underdeveloped ideas in the newer couple of generations of pokemon and that's a failure of the decision makers at gamefreak, as well as the pressure to make monsters easy to turn into plush toys.
>No Pokemon should be a waiter at a restaurant
That shit you just posted in that screenshot is stupid. It's dumb. I don't know why you think that dumb shit existing in a franchise that continues to make bad choices is an argument against what I'm saying.
every charizard is hot pot bellied milf/dilf
What about Gardevoir? There is no fur. The anatomy also deliberately wonky (presumably to pre-emptively address any easy sexualization, not that it worked).
What about weird mechanically-looking bipedal pokemon?
this
You forgot the fat "whale" thing
fpwp
I hate to say it but that whale pokemon is one of the better ones. SV is a sad state of affairs.
Megaman looking humanoid trashmons, hardly carrying shit.
The humanoid Pokemon have always been the most popular ones
Yeah, Pickachu, Charizard, and Eevee, all less popular than Jinx, Mr. Mime, and Hitmonchan.
>Pikachu
Was redesigned to be more humanoid so it can move and pose more easily.
lmao
It's true
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/creator-profile-the-creators-of-pikachu/
>Sugimori: We were also influenced by the introduction of the animation. Since the animation had them doing a variety of movements, including human-like gestures, we changed the shape of Pikachu's body to make acting easier. While Pikachu was originally very short and stout, we gradually gave it a more defined neck and elongated its spine. The Pikachu appearing in the Pokémon series released after the broadcast of the animated series was influenced by how it appeared in the show.
Pikachu was redesigned because fat Pikachu was too hard to animate.
>It's called swolllxxxx zoomer lmao xDDD senpai
t. someone born in 2005 whose posting on /vp/ for the first time.
>its ok when gen 5 does it
entire gen has nu-gen routemon syndrome
come to daddy
also happiness doesn't exist
>raichu
>mankey
>oddish
>growlithe
>krabby
They all had good designs tho. I can't say the same about this gen.
The only one I love is the new crab
Language concept
Honestly don't know wtf Mankey is meant to be
Mandrake root
Komainu
My mom's crab
All are fine, but I don't know what Mankey is based on personally.
Define "good design", because it literally just means that what the thing is meant to be based on is apparent. All of the new mons shown so far are very obvious. The aesthetic is not as distinctive or charming as the original pokemon and they really need to get the franchise's identity back.
idk that list sounds pretty lit to me
they shown literally shitmons you fricking idiot, they always do
Pokemon was always about cute and cartoony designs. Satoshi Tajiri was pushing for those types of designs since Gen I. And of course a game about fantasy critters is going to heavily borrow from our own critters in the real world. Crying about those types of designs is like a SMT crying about designs based off myths and spirits.
>Pokemon was always about cute and cartoony designs.
So like the original anime then? Which had great pokemon designs? Your point then being?
My point is that the OP crying about designs that have been present since Gen I. I mean crying about "just a dog" when Pidgey exists. As shown in Tajiri's biography friendly designs are the key factor here. According to the biography Ken Sugimori saw Pokémon as friendly beasts so the main inspiration for Pokémon was, and I would argue still is, real animals in our world. Tajiri's issue with this wasn't the source of inspiration or what he thought Pokémon are, he himself think of Pokémon as being like cats and dogs, but just that fact that Sugimori's designs weren't friendly looking enough.
It's revealed that's why Tajiri hired 3 other artist to make friendlier designs *and* expand the variety of designs. Basically people have this narrow view of what a Pokémon should look like when in reality Pokémon designs are varied in inspiration and the things people b***h about have been present since Gen I.
>According to the biography Ken Sugimori saw Pokémon as friendly beasts
Why does it matter?
Why do I, or you, or anyone else should care?
It is no longer about some original incel fantasy, it is about what it became NOW. What it grew into, especially in the community. As a concept and an idea, Pokemon does not belong to anyone now.
Yes but the Kanto starters looks both cool and cute, you can't say the same about the Paldea starters.
Sauce?
pikachu
Neopet
pig
Aside from the name, the design is good
blob with a olive on its head
Neopet
>>just a dog
Interesting concept, subpar execution
>>just a dog but it is ghost type
Take the candle off it's head and it's a 8/10. Don't like the mouth
>>crab that looks stupid
Solid mon
but it is white and longer
Regional variants and their consequences have been a disaster for the pokemon franchise
>>a fat blob that looks like a frog but isn't one
Neopet
lemur with hoodie
Breddy gud
but with a different color
Regional variants and their consequences have been a disaster for the pokemon franchise
take the candle off its head and it's not a pokemon anymore, it's just a cartoon dog
Just like Gen 1
>Aside from the name
Lechon plus honk/oink is bad how?
>Don't like the mouth
You're such a fricking homosexual holy shit
suck my cheesy wiener, Black person
>games have literally had personality descriptors for every Pokemon since Gen 3 (AKA natures and characteristics)
BIDDOOOOOFFFFFFFFFF
>verification not required
The crab IS A COOL MONSTER
Pokemon was never about cool monsters. It is about monsters designed to embody things from the real world as an allegory for a child growing up and seeing the wonders of the real world (before they become a wageslave). I guess your brain is too weak to understand basic ideas that the games feed to you. That being said, Galar had a load of pointless trash that made no sense like Mr mime becoming jimmy saville and dog becomes different dog and is electric for no reason and tea but a ghost.
Nice headcanon, you fricking sperg.
Where did I post headcanon? Where did I sperg? I posted factual information.
Keep crying, keep being angry because a children's game is too high concept for you.
The only pokemon that is a random monster is the Bulbasaur line, which is intentionally the idea of random monster
you will never be the target audience anymore
I don't even watch the show or play the game. Garevoir's concept and design alone got me in, but I still havent succumbed to the ashnime or game series (outside of the episodes with waif)
It's so easy to lie on the internet anon. It's ok, like the rest of /vp/, we know you pre ordered SV anyway
Kek.
I mean, if I had a way to prove it I did probably do it, just for the sake of it, but I dont really care. I like some pokemans but anime is too childish. And the games... before I even discovered pokemon games I've experienced the same gameplay design but in much more complex and interesting form. And since then there hasnt been a single advancement on the field. Literally every single Pokemon game is the same, 1:1, pure carbon copy trash. I can understand playing one of them out of curiosity, but repeatedly suffering through ALL of them all your life is fricking madness
>I mean, if I had a way to prove it I did probably do it
Translation: I can't admit I bought it anyway so I will parrot opinions /vp/ screeches in hopes to fit in.
>just a frog
>turtle with a squirrel tail
>just a rat
>just a bird
>just a bird (again)
>just a worm
>just another worm
>just a bee
>just a butterfly
>just a rat (forma de yellow)
>just a pangolin
>THREE seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
wow its almost as its never been entirely about """cool monsters""
>>just a frog
Where?
with a squirrel tail
You mean Squirtle? It doesn't have a squirrel tail
>>just a rat
Yes.
>>just a bird
Kind of.
>>just a bird (again)
There are a lot of birds and showing basic animals and then scaling up the concepts is basic game design to have the child playing first see "this is a bird ok" and then think about the ones that aren't so simple. Sorry your brain can't handle basic thought.
>>just a worm
Where?
>>just another worm
Shuckle? That's the only worm.
>>just a bee
There is no just a bee pokemon
>>just a butterfly
Hm?
>>just a rat (forma de yellow)
That's a pun monster based on Japanese language, not a rat
>>just a pangolin
Not really.
seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
You're being deliberately moronic.
>>>just a frog
He probably meant Bulbasaur which is dumb for several reasons
with a squirrel tail
Just a turtle then
>>>just a bird
Yes. Most of the pokemon birds are kinda just birds.
>>>just a bird (again)
Yes
>>>just a worm
Probably meant Caterpie. Which should be just a caterpillar in that case.
>>>just another worm
Probably meant weedle. I guess it's kinda worm like.
>>>just a bee
Probably meant Beedrill which is more of a wasp creature
>>>just a butterfly
Butterfree. Yes.
>>>just a rat (forma de yellow)
Pikachu is a weird rat creature to be fair.
>>>just a pangolin
Yeah. Not really.
seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
I also think this is dumb but there are a lot of pink round fellas
Most of the early mons are simple. But being simple is not a bad thing.
No. Go design your own.
so sad
at least they anren't woke
>It was ok when gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 had designs like that but NOW I'm upset
kek
Because Gen 1-8 didn't show a lot of cutemons and mememons like Gen 9 is doing
You say this now? Where were you when they made a Dugtrio in a wig or an Exeggutor with a long neck?
>Pokemon isn't about cool monsters anymore?
Does this (image) answers your question, Anon?
The "cool monsters"-type Pokemon back in the day were literally designed similar to that of generic RPG monsters with some real-world animals inspiration sprinkled in.
Just play the Gen 1 games, and then play the other RPG games back in the 90s and will see my point.
You don't see those types of shit anymore because ever since the whole RPG craze of the 90s has died out, so GF decided to make their monsters more fleshed out and original instead of bland-looking fantasy creatures.
[HEADCANON]
Even if you disagree, there were also the concept of summoning monsters in RPGs that could be seen as an earlier version of the whole monster-collecting genre that Pokemon has since popularized. The first games were still just like any other RPGs series at the time.