>that horrible off model Shart
Why the fuck is there basically no good Shadowheart porn? Almost everything out there is using some sort of disgusting bimofied model like this pic or a rip from the game that looks uncanny in a way I can't quite put my finger on. I don't get it, she's so pretty in-game but barely any porn actually captures that essence.
>probably because shes a slut for bear and dogcock?
When has that stopped anyone from making porn?
Hell look at how many people make characters like Zelda and Tifa fuck dogs or wolves/Red_XIII
You'd think the zoofags would have latched onto her by now and started churning out porn og Shart getting BEAR'd or knotted by Scratch.
>You'd think the zoofags would have latched onto her by now
Most people that make porn don't play the games, they only know the characters superficially >knotted by Scratch
I looked it up, there are only two
>she's so pretty in-game but barely any porn actually captures that essence.
Shadowheart's entire appeal is breaking through her stern demeanor to discover that she's actually a sweet person on the inside. Now consider how porn brained someone has to be to actually make porn, that simple appeal is going to be totally lost on them. Most of the people who make this slop probably haven't even played the games the characters they're making porn of are from. They just crank up her tits and give her yassified makeup and call it a day. That's good enough for most coomers' standards.
What the fuck does her body have to do with that, you pretentious homosexual? You would be the first one to stop giving a fuck about her if she was an ugly fat landwhale
what? arue legit cums when you sing to her the song, she also cums and moans when you touch her shoulder in the tavern, and when you two fuck she cums so hard flowers from elysium explode in the room
This is the state of the average WRPG fag. They have to literally mod their games to ensure their whore romances are pure.
that's the aeon ending if you romance her.
i am starting to believe that most shitposters haven't even played the game yet and gets most of there information form memes.
>i am starting to believe that most shitposters haven't even played the game yet and gets most of there information form memes
It took you this long to realize it?
>Fires you from the crusade because you were killing the demons too fast instead of waiting for her to arrive so she can do a photo-op and save the day
This cunt had a century - A WHOLE FUCKING CENTURY - and I speedran the demon army in a few months and this is how she rewards me ??? I'm still mad tbqh
>jealous of your success >tries to get you killed out of said jealousy >is absent for 95% of the game >rejects you after you fuck her in the last act >only in the very end does she realize that she wants to be with you
She's trash. I'll admit she has the best romance endings, but it's not really a high bar considering the others though.
>Spends the entire game manipulating you fully intending to kill you >Laughs at you for believing her once you learn the truth >Dumps your ass once she ascends anyway
If you played demon and simped for her you have no self respect, she deserves to have her realm take away and is lucky that Owlcat gave her plot armor and you can't kill her permanently
>Spends the entire game manipulating you fully intending to kill you >Laughs at you for believing her once you learn the truth >Dumps your ass once she ascends anyway
If you played demon and simped for her you have no self respect, she deserves to have her realm take away and is lucky that Owlcat gave her plot armor and you can't kill her permanently
There need to be more games with pathetic female characters that are also romanceable. Like some evil warlock girl who spent her entire life practicing dark arts but is totally inexperienced with men because she never had time for a boyfriend.
You'd only find that in jap games. every western girl has to be experienced because it's "icky" otherwise.
If its a WRPG, you'll find out soon in her story that she had a one night stand with an incubus or something. Accompanied with a joke about her "experimenting wink wink".
That almost literally happened with the arab chick in Greedfall. She talks about how she's all work all study but she mentions that she had to 'scratch an itch' and found a random man to screw.
you just described the average "I can fix her" girl that CRPGs have been using since Viconia
Of course you don't want that actually, you want a pure virgin, so someone like Morrigan who is an expert evil mage but has never had a boyfriend doesn't count because she has had sex before
Bruh I don't think being put off by bitch that literally fucked dogs is a strange thing. Or maybe it is in 2023 I have no idea what's "normal" these days.
>so someone like Morrigan who is an expert evil mage but has never had a boyfriend doesn't count because she has had sex before
Well yeah, duh. The whole appeal is being their first romance. It doesn't work with Morrigan because she fucks strangers.
Last Bioware game that had a virgin option was fucking Dawn Star in Jade Empire.
There need to be more games with pathetic female characters that are also romanceable. Like some evil warlock girl who spent her entire life practicing dark arts but is totally inexperienced with men because she never had time for a boyfriend.
A pathetic evil necromancer's only way to be virgin would be to be extremely fucking ugly.
Depressed girls that join cults inevitably have lots of sex, the only way around it is to be actually repulsive. What you are asking for is anime tier.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What you are asking for is anime tier
Yes, and....?
God I wish there was a jrpg story with western crpg gameplay
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yes, and....?
And its shit, there are ways to make virgin characters without having the storytelling capability of a toddler just because you want to fulfill a specific fetish.
Hentai games seem more your speed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>S-She's.... A VIRGIN!? NOOOOOO THIS IS BAD WRITING FUCKING WEEBS I FUCKING HATE ANIME DESPITE BROWSING THE ANIME WEBSITE SHE NEEDS TO TAKE COCK!!!
Are you perhaps a BG3 writer?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
More like >Ar you perhaps a crpg writer?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know what would be worse, you missing the part where I say there are better ways to make virgin characters because you are illiterate, or you pretending it isn't there because you are just dishonest and can't handle your retardation being challenged.
Either way, its a pathetic thing to see.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And its shit, there are ways to make virgin characters without having the storytelling capability of a toddler just
NTA but how is a depressed necromancer girl being a virgin bad writing? You could easily say she's extremely isolated or that her teacher is a literal lich. There's many ways to write that.
>Like some evil warlock girl who spent her entire life practicing dark arts but is totally inexperienced with men because she never had time for a boyfriend.
Isn't Cassia from their Rogue Trader game kinda that? An shy nerd who is also a living GPS
Some post on some (probably) their own forum or discord confirmed that the decision not to include an Argenta romance came from GW. Apparently they're backpedaling on lore from the Ciaphas Cain days.
This seems like a perfect reason for the devs to basically include all the "unused" official content, complete with multiple paths and the like, in the game files and let modders "discover" and implement it. Then, its not on them that GW was being a whiny bitch about it and players still get decent content instead of waiting for the whole route to be modded entirely out of character from the getgo.
>Some post on some (probably) their own forum or discord confirmed that the decision not to include an Argenta romance came from GW. >taking their word for it when they lied about Amiri >can't even find the screenshot
why even bother with this many levels of bullshit, anon?
do you mean this? because that's just them playing coy. of course it was owlcat's decision you mong. they're clearly angling for people to bite on the "le sisters are celibate in lore :^)" meme when that's patently not true.
I'll trust my gut here. not only is Owlcat pulling this same finger pointing game again, which is more like to you, Owlcat being homosexuals about their women or the troon coomers at Paizo actually arguing for Amiri not to get laid?
Just started my first WotR playthrough, neutral good Monk and going for Wenduag. I hope she's not as bad as you make her seem to be bros, I have a purification fetish.
Depends on the context I suppose, I'm at the start of the second chapter right now and she didn't do anything purely evil yet since joining, my headcanon is she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment. I know Nok-Nok was also tagged as "evil" in Kingmaker but he intregrated himself surprisingly well to a good playthrough.
There's going to be some concessions obviously but I'm more of a NG/CG person. Pathfinder Monks are supposed to be strictly LG but Kingmaker LG choices were only Lawtism shit so I bypassed the alignment restriction when making my character.
>my headcanon is she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment
That's not headcanon, that's literally what happens, but it doesn't erase how fucking horrible what she did is, dooming the mongrels she selected to either be turned into crazy cannibal retards, or to die because they couldn't handle it
nevermind the fact that she joins you gloating about it, clearly showing that she doesn't regret it in the slightest, and promising you an army of crazy cannibal mongrels which you accept, there is nothing remotely good about that
bro, sure she got mind raped but that doesn't excuse her
cannibalism
murder
thievery
betrayal
being a retard who watch her mistress/master get dabbed on and still going back to them
being a retard who NEEDS constant surveillance or she'll do stupid shit
>she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment
She was literally sending her own people to get mindfucked by demons and eaten in the maze, if you justify that with harsh environment, you can justify fucking anything.
Even if she can be redeemed/forgiven there is no way a good character picks her over lann
>Even if she can be redeemed/forgiven there is no way a good character picks her over lann
Sure you can. Lann is already a good person and doesn't need your guidance, but Wenduag needs someone to keep an eye on and guide her to the right path. It's easily justifiable if you have imagination.
No, it's not, she joins you by promising an army of crazy mongrel cannibals, and you have to lie about Lann, screwing him over. We've been over this a million times
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, are you completely ignoring the circumstances in which said choice is made? >if you have imagination
No, it is if you are an olympic athlete at mental gymnastics
She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over. It's both less evil and stupid a plan than it originally seems. Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, trust me, turning the mongrels into crazy cannibals makes perfect sense. It will end racism!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over.
No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her. >Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people
All of this is completely irrelevant to a character making that decision without any of this knowledge
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her.
so fucking based
reddit-the character
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over.
No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her. >Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people
All of this is completely irrelevant to a character making that decision without any of this knowledge
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her.
[...]
reddit-the character
>She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over.
No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her. >Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people
All of this is completely irrelevant to a character making that decision without any of this knowledge
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Post Lann >Immediate kneejerk reaction from a Wenduagfag
Every time
2 weeks ago
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You have just proven my point, all of that to come to the conclusion that power is everything
The reason she came to this conclusion is irrelevant, her motivation is to ammass power, not to save the mongrels. If your good character shooes away lann and takes her in instead, he is not a good character
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You have just proven my point, all of that to come to the conclusion that power is everything
Her reasoning is considerably more complexed and justified than what you claimed earlier.It's false to claim Wenduag only thinks about herself, if she did that, she would have abandoned the mongrel tribe a while ago. >The reason she came to this conclusion is irrelevant
No, it really isn't. You can't just dismiss a character motivation because it conflicts with how justified you eprsonally feel the character to be. >her motivation is to ammass power, not to save the mongrels.
She wants to do both. She even hesitates to kill Lann and spares him with relief when you let her. >If your good character shooes away lann and takes her in instead, he is not a good character
Well I did, and my character alignment still says "Neutral Good". So fuck off.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Well I did, and my character alignment still says "Neutral Good". So fuck off
Yes retard, same reason why you can be a serial killer and still remain lawful good, because it's a fucking video game
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>.It's false to claim Wenduag only thinks about herself
She does >she would have abandoned the mongrel tribe a while ago.
And go where? The people her life depends on have ordered her to stay there as a plant >No, it really isn't. You can't just dismiss a character motivation because it conflicts with how justified you eprsonally feel the character to be.
When judging the person overall? Sure.
When evaluating wether to take her or lann in the party? Irrelevant. He also had a hard life, but he would never do what she did. > She even hesitates to kill Lann
Oh wow, she hesitated to murder her innocent lover, that makes her better than lann obviously.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>She does
Wrong >When judging the person overall? Sure. >When evaluating wether to take her or lann in the party? Irrelevant. He also had a hard life, but he would never do what she did.
Which is why a perceptive Neutral Good character would rather have her close to them to keep an eye on and eventually redeem instead of the guy who has his shit together.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>would rather have her close to them to keep an eye on
Why do you keep repeating this meme argument? What you should do is try to fucking kill her (only for her to run away thanks to plot armor)
Stop trying to pretend like if screwing over Lann totally isn't evil at all, jesus christ you Wenduagfags are a special breed
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What you should do is try to fucking kill her (only for her to run away thanks to plot armor)
So the GD sparing a cultist makes him evil?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Remind me in what part of the GD questline do you have to take an obviously evil character who shows zero remorse, accept their objectively evil deal, and fuck over another guy who did nothing wrong besides make terrible jokes?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have to let an objectively evil character go to unlock the mythic path
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's very fucking stupid, or did you somehow miss all the people that complain about GD's bad writing? Hal doesn't even know what the fuck happens to said cultist, only that he became a healer but now WHO he heals, for all you know he's still an evil piece of shit. It's not like healing is a good guys only job
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, it's very fucking stupid, or did you somehow miss all the people that complain about GD's bad writing? >I-it's bad writing because it makes me morally uncomofrtable 🙁
lol >Hal doesn't even know what the fuck happens to said cultist, only that he became a healer but now WHO he heals, for all you know he's still an evil piece of shit. It's not like healing is a good guys only job
Oh you are an actual retard. Do you complain about how if a doctor takes a hippocratic oath they have to patient criminals too?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't fuck over an innocent for no reason there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>send the good guy back to the caves to be hunted by his own people who will blame him for what happened and take on the deranged cannibal promising you an army of deranged brainwashed cannibals
Yep, definetly the NG choice there
As I said, olympic levels of gymnastics
Anon, are you completely ignoring the circumstances in which said choice is made? >if you have imagination
No, it is if you are an olympic athlete at mental gymnastics
The way Pathfinder handles the alignment system is retarded anyone.
D&D all but abandoned it's system when Pathfinder goes so far into the other direction and makes it so that races have a biolotical disposition to be fucking monsters to the point that trying to be a good person causes them outright pain.
Both extremes are shit.
Kingmaker was full of Lawtist drivel such as "d-did you just steal a loaf a bread to feed your sick sister ? I guess you'll have to turn yourself in then...". I'm not dealing with that shit again, I might just die from cringe alone.
Lawful for Monks means path to enlightenment and keeping to their tenets, Owlcat's interpretation for LG is absolute dogshit. Unless they fixed it for WotR, I'm not changing that.
Owlcat can't do alignments to save their lives.
They literally couldn't fucking do the geometry of the chart right and because of it, you can go from lawful good to neutral good not because you did anything chaotic but because your good choices slid your position against the curve of the circle towards the side. It's just deranged alignment design.
How hard is it to have a square alignment chart? Why the fuck do they NEED the circle? Literally every problem with their alignment system would be solved if they were just using a square instead of a circle.
Owlcat can't do alignments to save their lives.
They literally couldn't fucking do the geometry of the chart right and because of it, you can go from lawful good to neutral good not because you did anything chaotic but because your good choices slid your position against the curve of the circle towards the side. It's just deranged alignment design.
Owlcat interpretation is questionable but there will come a time when we have to admit alignment, especially lawful and chaotic, is fucking retarded when taken seriously
I suppose so,but the problem is context. There's >Lawism adherence to societal or group traditional laws above all others >Adherence to one's persona values, rules and the like.
Much same way there is chaos in the >I do wacky random shit because CHAOS I AM THE PENGUIN OF DOOM! SPORK...IS NOW IN YOUR KIDNEY HAHAHA! TIME THAT I CHANGE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER BECAUSE CHAOS! >I follow feelings and impulses and don't think too hard about planning shit out or cling to past things if they don't serve me in the current moment
Its just like how "good and evil" can be broken down into oversimpifications of each, or more complex setups, but admittedly its harder to do this in a game. Larian and Pathfinder both seem to have some issues with these, but Larian seems a ltitle better at handling it.
I think Larian handled it well by removing all alignments and having most characters be at least a little selfish about their own goals and ideologies. It's more believeable. Even obviously evil characters like Astarion have coherent reasons to be the way they are, instead of WotR having the gnome knight be so lawful just for order's sake he'd actually kill an entire village for hiding an orphan who stole half a loaf of bread, and an insane jester be so heckin chaotic he'd turn everyone into frogs or whatever for fun.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, honestly beyond flavor choice for your OC during character creation having aligment included in dialog and it having an impact on classes/story is a bad idea in a vidya because there is always going to be a context or reasoning from the player. When you have a GM in front of you it works, but when you're left with the dev's idea of which is which then there's often nothing but frustration.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's pretty much true. Not to mention that Astarion has a well enough written background that you, even playing one of the Paladin types and obviously Good, will have reason to keep him around an shows some degree of development if you're there to support him when he does something good-leaning, which will encourage him to do it more and bristle against his ages of programming.
I am also a bit annoyed that you cannot be a Dhampir in BG3.
Yeah, honestly beyond flavor choice for your OC during character creation having aligment included in dialog and it having an impact on classes/story is a bad idea in a vidya because there is always going to be a context or reasoning from the player. When you have a GM in front of you it works, but when you're left with the dev's idea of which is which then there's often nothing but frustration.
I think it comes down to the depth possible. Honestly, with enough AI engine connection stuff trained well enough you could have a much deeper experience closer to dealing with a human DM in a game, but of course this only works if you have a local model; the last thing I want is a game that has to connect to whomever the fuck's proprietary AI As A Service.
it's like that in wotr too, i was playing paladin but i wasn't being retarded with my laws, a lot of the time it's basically shitting on someone who is already a pile of shit, pointless and most likely makes them hate the laws even more
i was constantly on the edge of NG
I legimately fell as a paladin in kingmaker because I saved a dying man when your keep gets attacked because it was labeled as "Neutral good". Fuck owlcat
>I hope she's not as bad as you make her seem to be bros
The first thing she does after banging you is brag about how many men and women she had sex with before you.
>around 50+% of males aged 18 to 30 in western countries are lonely virgins >being surprised that the romance wish fulfillment gets talked about
Begone, redditor.
>Literal whore >MUH PURE VIRGIN but she's an ugly boring negress
Only Lann would be good, you would just start begging for the incubus to be a succubus and romanceable instead of crying because she's not a virgin
>Just want to be helpful to others and be good >Help somebody with one simple side quest >That must mean you want to fuck them and they want to fuck you!
I don't know how to break this to you, but a person who literally saved themselves for marriage is likely very religious and was likely doing so for religious reasons, and would therefore be opposed to divorce for religious reasons as well. This doesn't mean the marriage is happier.
Me: charts and stats
You: some bullshit you made up in your head
Non virgins have a 4x divorce multiplier after their first skank event and it gets worse from there
Ganker gets insecure because the succubus had sex and their tiny dicklets can't possibly satisfy her
Also no she's not, she's already fixed when you meet her
Does "I can fix her" really apply to a character who isn't evil or has any glaring faults, other than being afraid of getting horny? If anything, this would really just apply to Camellia. Only that you can't fix shit.
Wotr is objectively more polished, better QoL features, etc.
Gameplay wise they are the same, but wotr has a higher powerlevel because of mythic paths which means the enemies are also thougher.
Story and setting wise it's really up to taste, Kingmaker is more comfy and relaxed, the other more epic powerfantasy
Companions are also very subjective, I like both.
One thing wotr has over kingmaker is a bearable last act, not good, but bearable. Last act in kingmaker is awful from a gameplay perspective, absolutely painful
I'd start with kingmaker honestly, it's more of your classic fantasy adventure and it also is easier to switch from KM to wotr than the other way around.
Wrath is harder and you have more shit to do, but being harder also means that enemies are more bullshit and thus you need to compensate with shit like buffs. Lots of buffs. Kingmaker starts with low level shit and gets progressively more high tier but never quite reaches the WotR levels of bullshit until very very late game.
Just play both. You should play both.
I prefer KM. its certainly more "vanilla" which can be good or bad.
i actually quite like kingdom management as an extra mechanic, over the army stuff from wotr. though you can choose to pretty much skip both.
wotr is more crazy balls to the wall all out, in stakes and power level. KM is like 5 bucks now (or free), I'd play both, they are both excellent CRPG, among the very best even.
Going to counter the other anons by saying I fucking hated Kingmaker. I generally prefer more local, low-level adventures but it sucked. The companions are tedious, the campaign is tedious, the kingdom management is tedious. But Wrath is really good. Skip Kingmaker completely.
EXCEPT, I really liked wandering around the map and discovering shit and the random small areas with just a big fight.
Also kingdom management > crusade management
I liked the story and characters in KM more, although I wouldn't recommend playing it first, since WotR is way better at explaining the mechanics to new players.
I don't care what hamplanet dangerhair writes these characters at least they're fighting the good fight against the vapid wish fulfillment isekaiification of fiction
Keep wishing homosexual they keep pandering too, Ganker is just filled with omega turbo autists that throw a fit at the mere prospect of a succubus not being a virgin
Cassia is a disney waifu, she was designed this way specifically.
Arue is also wish fullfillment, people here are just autistic.
Camellia is the only one in that list that actually defies wish fullfillment by acting in character in the ending slides.
Camellia leaving comes completely out of nowhere and this shithole shows that any character no matter how unhinged can have a legion of waifufags simping for her
>comes completely out of nowhere
Come the fuck on, you are just proving you are just as retarded as the waifutard that made the mod to make her stay with you
>because it's open ended anyway
Kek, is that how you cope?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's how it is
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not, she dumped you, that's that. Morrigan dumping you and leaving a ring that allows her to detect your presence and you promising that you WILL find her is open ended (before witch hunt came out, obviously)
Camellia's isn't
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it doesn't say anything about what happens next so it's open ended
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay bro, whatever helps you sleep at night
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dumped you
Wasn't it that she didn't dump you so much as she actually loved you so much and she always had a compulsion to basically kill those she loved or got close to, so its different from her just fucking off for the next heroic dick or whatever, when from her perspective she cares about you enough to not only spare your life and take you out of danger, both of which are sacrifices on that part of her, which shows a growth on her part and immense care for the PC in that ending.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sugarcoat it all you want but yes, she dumps you >so its different from her just fucking off for the next heroic dick or whatever >DUDE SHE FUCKS SHE TAKES COCK
Let it be known that you brought this up, not me
There is nothing open ended, its pretty straightforward. It was never going to work out, be thankful she cares enough to not slit your PCs throat before leaving.
Not nearly to the same degenerate degree modern fiction is.
Dorothy didn't go to Oz and fuck pure virgin anime girls. The pulpslop with dudes in spandex getting femdommed by furry aliens is the closest thing but there's a reason that shit was considered lowbrow.
I disagree with Sawyer and his reasoning. He says it's bad because a video game romance presents sex with a woman as a prize which is a wrong way to look at romance according to him.
I say that sex is fun and great and there's nothing wrong with making it a prize. Tasteful fan service is good.
I think Kanerah in Kingmaker sort of subvert this, since you can fuck her really early and it builds on top of that, rather then having the first fuck be the 'capstone' of the relationship.
I think Sawyer is talking about more, Mass Effect style relationships, where you get + points from dialogue options and it ends in a underwear-on-dry-humping cutscene.
>Ywn have hot gay romance with a 9ft tall horny double-agent
Why even live ?
Also, Josh Sawyer wrote two of the worst gaming romances of the current century in PoE 2 so I'm not going to take advice from him regarding this lmao
Going to counter the other anons by saying I fucking hated Kingmaker. I generally prefer more local, low-level adventures but it sucked. The companions are tedious, the campaign is tedious, the kingdom management is tedious. But Wrath is really good. Skip Kingmaker completely.
Kingmaker suffers from the timegates and boss timings, as well as the god awful kingdom management meaning you can hard ruin your entire playthrough and not know it for ten hours if you're not following guides on higher difficulties. WotR is way better in that regard.
i once read a doujin where a conquering country forced a high priestess to marry a goblin and have lots of children as a bloodline cleansing. they also made a point to say that the couple got a lot of taxpayer money. hentai genocide is underrated
Shit like this is probably why they won't add tiny monster races. Imagine being a Mendevian peasant and finding out your queen stepped down from the throne to get fucked by a goblin.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well, I mean, she can still have stepped down from the throne to get fucked by a gnome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a shame, I REALLY want to play a 20 int goblin alchemist with a very unhethical approach to experimentation
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They won't add them because they're monsters. Look at Nok-Nok, he's unusual by goblin standards but he's still a fucking goblin who talks like a retard and defaults to stabbing and burning everything
It would require extra effort, writing new dialogue options, new reactivity to people being dumbfounded by how stupid you are. Owlcat would never do that
The happy meal may be exactly what you expect it to be, but the wine is poisoned, the steak is brimming with mad cow, and by the end of the night that steak knife will be in your trachea.
>her romance confession is her telling you the story about how some random mercenary she met used to clap her cheeks every night and how much she loved it
Somebody at Owlcat is a literal cuck and I'm pretty sure I know who it is give what else he's written.
Not defending that writing but I think this was the point. She's literally a 9 INT autistic retard who doesn't know how to interact with people on a personal level.
She has a Deskari sized stick up her ass and she's also ugly (even by Owlcat portrait standards) when in-universe she's supposed to be beautiful
Twins are better, individually even. But she's better than Octavia
When you think about it Valerie's issues really are absolute child's play compared to everyone else's in the game (minus Jubilost, but that's only because he doesn't have any major issues)
Valerie would have been better if they had made her portrait more conventionally attractive. The Alternate Female NPC Portraits mod unironically saves her character because it makes the whole scion of Shelyn, characters constantly remarking on her beautiful face, and her whole "lost beauty" character arc less grating, and what's more the placid look she has on her face fits her noble, genteel character more than her original portrait's grimace (the grimace might be more reflective of her soul, since she's a lawful neutral character who hates the disorder of the Stolen Lands, but it isn't reflective of her actual face since the game makes it clear that she goes to some lengths to hide her frustration). I feel like they made Valerie's portrait before they decided what they were going to do with the character.
I think it fits, according to in game dialogue she doesn't wear any makeup and purposely cuts her hair to be as unflattering as possible. The permanent scowl she has also adds to her attempts to be unattractive.
God I fucking hate romance options in games.
It's always awful cringe and terribly written, and it leads to deranged losers waifu fagging and arguing over shit characters.
The entire west also collectively decided that attractive female character design is akin to a warcrime which makes it even worse.
Like when this shit started with the original ass effect at least you were rewarded with some hot alien ass, now people do it to build imaginary emotional connections with poorly written characters that you wouldn't even want to fuck in reality over the average cute girl at the grocery store.
You fucking homosexuals all need to go touch grass lol
I wish games like Pathfinder and BG3 had a Neverwinter Nights style creation kit.
That game's main campaign was fucking atrocious but the game still lives on because of some fun modules made by people.
Imagine being able to play a Pathfinder module using WotR as a base but it's made by like, three guys and there's no retarded overworld mini-game or cuckoldry
It will never happen again for D&D at least because they want to "protect their IP" and their brand. Can't have anyone making disagreeable content or god forbid something better than the base game. Probably not for Pathfinder either if I remember the open game license controversy correctly
>ive never had sex because im an antisocial retard >therefore women shouldnt have sex either
just convert to a religion so you can mask your social retardation as abstinence before marriage you fucking freaks
women shouldnt have sex either
That's not the problem. One is a succubus so I'll give it a pas, but >Camellia is a whore that fucks some rando every time after she kills >Wenduag is a whore that fucks anyone she thinks is strong enough or to manipulate them
I don't care if they're non virgins, I didn't have a meltie over Valerie like the average waifufag here. But whores? No thanks
Owlcat's romances are better than Larian's romances specifically *because* they aren't just pandering to the player, but are attempting to expand on the story of the characters.
Yes, there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works, but that wouldn't fit at all thematically in a game that's supposed to be about fighting the marauding demon hordes crawling out of the Abyss.
And, besides, if you want a game where you get to fuck an naive anime girl who doesn't know what a penis is, just buy Owlcat's next game, Rogue Trader.
>but that wouldn't fit at all thematically in a game that's supposed to be about fighting the marauding demon hordes crawling out of the Abyss.
Absolutely braindead logic. What the fuck does having sex have to do with that? Especially when the game already has virgins like Sosiel, Woljif and of course Galfrey.
And why the FUCK are you including Larian? Every single girl in BG3 is a whore, did you play the game?
>in a dark game about a demon invasion?
lol
LMAO
This game is anything but dark >DUDE BUT BLOOD AND TORTURE IT'S SO LE HECKING DARK
No, it's not, being violent doesn't make something "dark"
>Endless crying about how many quips and reddit humor the game has >Dude but it's le.... dark!?
Retard, the entire game is a power trip from beginning to end of your saving everyone's sorry ass, with a shitton of humor, be it lighthearted or black
>there are jokes
No, the entire game is one walking joke, at every opportunity someone always makes a quip
Dark my ass, it's like if you took Berserk and every character act like Puck
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Play the actual game, dumbass, instead of acting like every companion is Nenio.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine looking at Seelah, Lann and Camellia quipping when you're fighting Minagho for the first time and actually thinking this is going to be "dark"
Extremely fucking powerful demon that could rape you all with ease and those clowns are cracking jokes
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Imagine looking at Seelah, Lann and Camellia quipping when you're fighting Minagho
That never happens though? The first time you encounter her they take her seriously. The only time they quip at her is when you fight her in Act 4 at which point you're a demigod and she's a gnat to you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lann quips, as he always does. Camellia goes >hummmm my hecking boulevards????
Just so that Seelah can point out that innocent people died and Camellia can go >oh yes yes I totally care for the common people
hecking funny bro, they're lucky they have plot armor and Minagho didn't just kill all of them right then and there
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's like if you took Berserk and every character act like Puck
are you implying that Berserk at one point didn't turn into Guts and his wacky DnD adventures including e-boi witch and others, actually WotR is pretty comparison
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, it did, and it sucks
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I disagree, if Berserk would be constant grim dark it would turn it into a 40k grimderp tier fiction
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Having humor sometimes is good, in fact that was the entire point of Puck's existence, to provide comic relief so things wouldn't be THAT bleak. But there's that and then there's going overboard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
depends, Miura was obviously trying to balance things, I agree he may went overboard at some points but still better than going full retard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>40k grimderp tier fiction
You act like 40k doesn't have an entire faction of comic relief football hooligans running around causing a ruckus and having rock concerts in the middle of a battlefield for kicks.
>saccharine anime romance in a dark game
And it's the most popular one too lmao, cry about it
Can't wait for your endless seethe once you can romance the virgin fishfu or the space elf in a fucking Warhammer game >NOOOOO SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RACIST YOU'RE LIKE A DOG TO HER IT DOESN'T FIT THE SETTING
Owlcat's romances are better because they aren't just free for all horny fuckfests like BG3 companions. They have preferences, character ticks and backstories that all effect the way their romance develops. This push to make every character bisexual or more specifically "playersexual" is cheap.
>Yes, there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works
Laria doesn't have that either.
You know he's only a companion because people asked for it, right? Larian just pandered to their fans
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But the people that asked for it (reddit) don't wan them either. They hate him now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know. But you asked why Larian was convinced people would want to fuck him, well that's the answer, because they saw how many wanted to fuck him so they gave in and made him a companion
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it. Fucking homosexual Orion. >be Empire >Bretonnia and the Welves are almost completely overrun by vampires and greenskins >absolutely blitz the entire area with two armies >both get pretty worn down removing bloodsuckers, most of Bretonnia now back in Louen's hands but Grom is still a threat >I foresaw this and was raising a brand new, even stronger army led by Gelt >take this army across the mountains from Solland >ONE TOE touches Athel Loren >Orion, previously a staunch military ally, immediately gets pissy >Wood Elves start abandoning our treaties as their diplomacy rating decays >One conHispanicuously marches a big army right onto the part of Southern Bretonnia I'd liberated but hadn't given back to Louen yet, begins following one of my more battered armies around >They think they're so slick >Recruit more hellstorm rocket batteries, strike first, and completely genocide every last Wood Elf
Felt good.
Play the fucking game retard, one of her first companion banters is her saying that she prefers casual sex over longterm relationships. Later on you learn that before she lost her memories she used to fuck other Sharrans (they can't fall in love, but sex? They can get away with that) and don't even get me started in the cuck bait and switch in act 3
Shadowheart is the sluttiest of the bunch.
The closest you get to blushing virgin anime waifu is Karlach. And that's only because she physically can't touch anyone. She's still horny as fuck.
>there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works
lol owlnaggers really are the dumbest motherfuckers around, inagine looking at arue and thinking "totally not a waifubait character!"
Everyone who comes on here to complain about WotR's romances basically says that Arue is a bad romance because she is a succubus and therefore fucked a ton of people before getting her soul turned back on by Desna and therefore an irredeemable whore.
I never said that BG3 had virgin anime waifus in their game, merely that their romances were intended to pander to the player, which they are.
People who want virgin anime waifus are left high and dry in both games, but that doesn't mean that BG3 isn't pandering like hell with its "player-sexual" orgy romances.
Not to the degree that the haters want it to pander to the player. They want every character to be player-sexual. They want to be their character's first, even if their romance is a fucking succubus.
where the fuck are all the cool classes from previous DnD games, where is weaponmaster? where is storm lord? where is the arcane archer? yes I know there's magus class for that but it's not the same, where is the shadowdancer? also war priest in this game sucks? all those classes but not those I want
I romanced her on my third playtrough so I could shitpost with more knowledge
Honestly, she's well written, but her starting with an half orc bf really really turns people off, including myself.
I did too, and after doing it I'd happily place her above Valerie. Valerie starts off good but gets progressively worse made even funnier by the contrast between her farmer ending and the romance ending. Octavia starts off shit but gets much better once you separate her form that garbage relationship she's in, she also makes a surprisingly good queen unlike Valerie. The goat twins still mog both of them though.
>Camellia
Has arguably the best dialogue out of all the romances, but she's unequivocally unfit for good characters, and even some evil characters will shy away. The date scenes with her are top notch however, and her VA truly sells it. >Arueshaelae
Designeted waifu of the game, very vanilla, very anime uwu, but if that's your thing, she has tons of content and is pretty sweet. Mediocre VA but you will wish for a redeemed succuwife IRL. >Galfrey
Well written dialogue and cute date but she has less content than any other romance, I cannot suggest you go for her, arue is probably better for good characters, but if you like her go ahead. Also she's probably a virgin if you are the kind of guy that wants that. >Wenduag
Cool idea, poor execution, her companion quest and romance content are at odds in term of writing, meaning she's not a consistent character. You would realistically only pick her if you are evil, but her romance has severe good "I can fix her" undertones. Hot BDSM spider however, passable if you fancy her. >Nocticula
If you go for the demon tardrage path it's to dominate and destroy, not to be a simp, 0/10. Well, not really 0, she's hot as fuck and IRL I wuld become her willing slave, but I find it hard to justify any of my characters in what is essentially a powerfantasy to go trough with it.
If you are willing to become a subordinate to a demon lord in a game where you kill several, than I guess go for it.
goddammit, where the fuck is my motivation to finish this?
saved
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>an ungodly painful smack to her rump
bless you
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Her personality screams for it. She's such a cute brat. And you know Horgus never properly disciplined her.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's pretty much what happens during the "normal" date, it's hilarious
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
more or less
and while furious, she comes back wanting you more than ever
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Her banter with Lann is fucking hilarious. Even Daeren being the troll that he is has e sense of fun banter with Lann, but Cam Cam just fucking hates the guy simply because he's ugly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
TMD
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
such a good girl
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Repeat the same joke nonstop every time
No it's not, when you do that it stops being funny.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Camellia treating Lann like the disgusting mongrel he is never stop being funny though
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It stops being funny after like the third time she does it, anything else is just you projecting your hatred onto the half lizard.
That's why Nenio is garbage, because le quirky scientist funny meme joke is something that gets overused nonstop through the entire game. Literally "get better material"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nenio wasn't funny the first time either
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I chuckled at the cultist quiz and her making Baphomet mad, but that's it
>Putting Targona on the same tier as Amiri and Argenta
Absolutely no one gives a fuck about her compared to the other two that are easily the most popular characters of their games
That's the problem with the average D&D players, they have to give the most extreme and tragic background to their chracters.
For fuck sake, just roleplay a farmer who don't want to crop tomatoes the rest of his life and just want to get rich fast and get a big titty drow gf.
>That goes for literally every CRPG. Name ONE that had a satisfactory final act.
While Underrail's story ends on a sequel hook, the final dungeon itself is a huge rape cave with different biomes, unique enemies and gimmicks that put all your skills to test, and you can't leave until you're done. There's satisfying puzzles including one if solved will greatly weaken the final boss, and the answer is randomized for each playthrough so it wrecks guidenaggers. Also, due to the game's esoteric missable lore you can just bumble around not knowing what the fuck you're even doing, or if you finished certain optional quests and met some NPCs before, put pieces together and figure out how all the seemingly unrelated shit actually connects with each other.
I tried to play underrail, but i was literally unable to find the tutorial zone. The first mission you get after you do the training course? Where they tell you to find a dude in some tunnels? I couldn't find it. I tried looking at videos, and couldn't find it. Spend over half an hour looking for it.
That's another think about Valerie's supposed attractiveness. We're meant to infer that she's built like a brickhouse according to characters like Octavia and Irovetti, yet again her portrait betrays this because he's wearing plate armor that doesn't even remotely show off her supposed amazing body. That portrait really ruined her interactions.
I could never finish Kingmaker, after Vordakai I just get so burned out. Same thing happened with Wrath in Act 5 but I managed to power through that at least.
Warhammer universe makes zero sense >supposed to be extremely dangerous with multiple things that are anathema to man >yet there's like legit literally quadrillions of humans through space
There's so many people that billions can die and it doesn't matter.
If you want examples of how that can happen imagine an entire planet like India and leave it alone for 40,000 years with space tech and some support resources.
Every planet isn't shit either. There's lots of paradise planets but obviously nothing exciting happens in those places. 40k is all about immeasurable scale.
Most people live their entire lives without seeing shit, their biggest issues are the shitty living conditions in hive cities and/or Terra/Earth. Factions lose entire planets pretty often, it's just a drop in the bucket.
You can fix Wenduag though. You can romance her, help her to regain her honor and teach her to trust those around her and she´ll become as loyal as they come. And if you play Aeon you can give her a fresh start effectively turning her into a literal devoted virgin.
You can´t hope to fix the other 2. Cam Cam can not be fixed no matter what and Arue can only be partially fixed. Even if the goddess forgives and cleanse her that only means that from that moment onward she´ll have a chance at redemption, but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased.
If you pull off the true Aeon ending you don´t seal the wound, you undo it and everything returns to the way it should be before the planes collided which means Arue is sent back to hell.
>but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased
I'm going to assume you're talking about aeon, in which case play the fucking game or just read the thread [...]
Arue was sinning long before the wound was opened. She reforms as much as a Succubus possibly could but i wouldn´t say she becomes "pure".
It probably could but it wouldn´t. The aeon´s concern is mostly to undo the wound because it alters the natural order of the planes. It´s something that should not have happened. Once it´s undone so are it´s consequences and the timeline changes as a result.
>but i wouldn´t say she becomes "pure".
She does though, Desna did purify her.
That´s undone too. Arue caught Desna´s attention because of how she perverted one of her followers while on the mortal plane but with the wound undone Arue never committed the crime so she was never judged.
>you undo it and everything returns to the way it should be before the planes collided which means Arue is sent back to hell
To the abyss, and if you allow her to keep her memories she stops being evil. >Arue was sinning long before the wound was opened
It applies to her ever since she's "born" whenever a demon is born.
That is correct though. She loses Desna´s blessing and is returned to her natural state but if her memories of the commander and the events remain she´ll do her best to "be good" (by abyss standards)
>you undo it and everything returns to the way it should be before the planes collided which means Arue is sent back to hell
To the abyss, and if you allow her to keep her memories she stops being evil. >Arue was sinning long before the wound was opened
It applies to her ever since she's "born" whenever a demon is born.
>but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased
I'm going to assume you're talking about aeon, in which case play the fucking game or just read the thread
>f the mass of the abyss
She is made from various larvaes that were sinners sent to the abyss, who eat each other and grow into demons
It's explained in detail. She even says desna gave her flashbacks of the previous lives of the souls that form her, so you are clearly mistaken.
>Ekun, Jubilost and Harrim all want to be present while I wipe out trolls >playing as an alchemist so Jubilost is mostly redundant but I kinda need his acid bombs for the branded trolls since I only have explosive myself >Ekun is boring and doesn't add any utility but I want to let him have his Punisher moment >Linzi has all my best buffs and my best trickery score for traps and treasure but four archers seems non-viable
Does Jubilost actually get any interesting dialogue from being along for the trip or can I just bench him?
He doesn't have anything but multishot and a dog right now, and you don't even need to care about positioning since he has like 60m range, I don't know how anyone could find that interesting.
I thought you were talking about his personality... but even then, shit taste. Ekundayo is extremely fucking strong, especially with the bow you get in that troll fortress
If I thought his personality was boring why would I care about letting him genocide trolls? It wouldn't even be a dilemma, I'd have just benched him for Linzi or Octavia.
Ekun is one of the best party members
And he has a giga wolf for melee that becomes a monster at level 7 so you long as you cast some simple buffs on it
She says she likes to fuck after a kill, so she is probably not virgin, but she has also been in a literal prison most of her life, with even bars to her windows, so the idea of her having a high bodycount is complete Ganker headcanon. Her being in your party is the first moment of freedom she has ever had in her life
>She can't fuck anyone while she lives with Horgus >Also she can't fuck anyone during all the months she's with you in Drezen before you find out the truth
*huffs copium*
She explicitly says she likes the feeling of dick inside her and that she has to have sex after rituals, so she's probably fucked a good bunch of hapless guys who thought they got lucky scoring a noble chick.
Bodycount wise the girls are probably: Arue >>> [SEVERAL THOUSAND KILOMETERS OF DICK] >>> Camcam > Wendu > Seelah > Galfrey = Ember = Nenio = Aivu
They're literally just going to foreshadow it better. She'll still betray you like a retard and won't even trust you enough to talk, she'll still fall for a lie and will get your entire party captured and tortured
>lawfulgoodvirgins >"NOOOO I CAN'T ROMANCE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE EVIL AND THE LAWS OF THIS LAND PROCLAIMS I MUST KILL ALL THAT IS EVIL. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SELF IMPROVEMENT IN MY STRICT MORAL GUIDELINES!!!" >ChaoticGoodChads >"I can fix her."
>THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SELF IMPROVEMENT IN MY STRICT MORAL GUIDELINES
Sounds like LN, LG is a justicefag but believes in redemption, at least that's my take
There isn't even LG choices in wrath, just either L or G.
In kingmaker I am pretty sure it was only for irredeemable situations
Characters who think like that like valerie and ekun are marked as LN, while seelah who is a redemptionfag is marked as LG by the game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ekun is LG and Kingmaker's average LG dialogue option is indeed to resort to murder, that's why lawtards here love it so much
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ekun is LG
Oh, forgot about that.
Doesn't change the fact that seelah is LG so it's obvious LG doesn't need to reject redemption
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm just saying that in KM LG is the good murderhobo alignment
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I played a LG run and it didn't seem to me that way. LN options were trigger happy for sure but LG options I remember being more balanced.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just had an event with some random bandits offering to stop jumping travelers and become tax collectors and it was lawful evil to say "okay, you can join me but you gotta actually do the job" and lawful good to say "sorry no bandits" and kill them on the spot. Strangely, Valerie was unhappy with my choice to help them reintegrate into society.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're not becoming tax collectors, they're doing the exact same shit they did before but this time they pay you
Like, if you make murder legal that won't suddenly make it good
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think you are too autistic to understand the context of that dialogue honestly.
Why does the sex lives of fictional characters matter so much to you?
I don't care that Cam and wenduag fuck anything that moves, I care that they are both fucking insane and interesting to have in the party as a result.
Do any of them cheat on you though?
I may be remembering it wrong but the only pathfinder character who still sleeps around after you start up with them is that half-orc from kingmaker I'm pretty sure.
>What's that? Characters changing over the course of the story, including the player character themselves, based on actions you can make? No I don't want that, if you start evil you stay evil and if you start good you stay good.
I can see why the people here would prefer video games to the actual tabletop
>Camellia >has a fairly accurate/historical looking (albeit it's a fantasy setting anyway but still) swept-hilt rapier >grabbing it the way such hilts were usually grabbed, with fingers on ricasso
idk about this game but clearly the best girl
>"Hey you're hot, wanna bang?" >"Teehee no, I only have sex if it's a threesome with my friend." >"Hot, who is your friend." >A dirty male half-orc
I hope the woman who wrote this character dies alone.
Does intimidating prowess stack with dazzling display? The game giving it a thumbs down makes me think that it probably doesn't but the way it's worded makes it seem like it should. This is for Valerie, I'm trying to decide between this and shatter defenses which seems like the logical followup to dazzling display except that I pretty much always have her fighting defensively and missing everything so I don't feel like making people flatfooted for a round after both dazzling and hitting them will be relevant too often.
Where's the problem?
Women are evil
>that horrible off model Shart
Why the fuck is there basically no good Shadowheart porn? Almost everything out there is using some sort of disgusting bimofied model like this pic or a rip from the game that looks uncanny in a way I can't quite put my finger on. I don't get it, she's so pretty in-game but barely any porn actually captures that essence.
probably because shes a slut for bear and dogcock?
>probably because shes a slut for bear and dogcock?
When has that stopped anyone from making porn?
Hell look at how many people make characters like Zelda and Tifa fuck dogs or wolves/Red_XIII
You'd think the zoofags would have latched onto her by now and started churning out porn og Shart getting BEAR'd or knotted by Scratch.
>You'd think the zoofags would have latched onto her by now
Most people that make porn don't play the games, they only know the characters superficially
>knotted by Scratch
I looked it up, there are only two
>she's so pretty in-game but barely any porn actually captures that essence.
Shadowheart's entire appeal is breaking through her stern demeanor to discover that she's actually a sweet person on the inside. Now consider how porn brained someone has to be to actually make porn, that simple appeal is going to be totally lost on them. Most of the people who make this slop probably haven't even played the games the characters they're making porn of are from. They just crank up her tits and give her yassified makeup and call it a day. That's good enough for most coomers' standards.
What the fuck does her body have to do with that, you pretentious homosexual? You would be the first one to stop giving a fuck about her if she was an ugly fat landwhale
>You would be the first one to stop giving a fuck about her if she was an ugly fat landwhale
How do you respond to this without sounding mad?
Why does she cuck you if she's so sweet? Even the fucking drow doesn't do that.
Because her writer has a cuck fetish he wanted to hide for the bait and switch in act 3
Because women in BG3 have terrible bodies
I wouldn't care that much about the proportions if any of those artists would at least get her girthy throbbing cock right.
>she's so pretty in-game
She looks terrible in the game too, anon. Your fetish for trannies is affecting your judgment.
That Shart model is kino though. Fuck your fridge body on-model shit
I love evil black haired white women so much bros...
I feel bad for the little shota they're looking at
Hot, hot, ugly
Their virtual body, their virtual choice chudceleroid
how long did you spend making this, OP?
Zero seconds he took it from reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/15a7km1/romance_in_wrath_is_so_wholesome/
Reddit moment.
Arue is pure, cleansed and eternally loyal
This is the state of the average WRPG fag. They have to literally mod their games to ensure their whore romances are pure.
Do you actually think your tiny Knight-Commander cock can satisfy Arue's Balor explored pussy?
Your tiny cock probably can't, but that's a (You) problem
>>>>>mod
>he doesn't know
what? arue legit cums when you sing to her the song, she also cums and moans when you touch her shoulder in the tavern, and when you two fuck she cums so hard flowers from elysium explode in the room
that's the aeon ending if you romance her.
i am starting to believe that most shitposters haven't even played the game yet and gets most of there information form memes.
>i am starting to believe that most shitposters haven't even played the game yet and gets most of there information form memes
It took you this long to realize it?
>wenduag
>100s
Are there even a 100 people living in her village?
>intentionally ignoring best romance option
No suprised.
>100+ year old hag
I would take 1000+ years old had, if her body was forever young.
>Cunt that tries to get you killed
And they did it again with Yrliet! lmao
>Fires you from the crusade because you were killing the demons too fast instead of waiting for her to arrive so she can do a photo-op and save the day
This cunt had a century - A WHOLE FUCKING CENTURY - and I speedran the demon army in a few months and this is how she rewards me ??? I'm still mad tbqh
>jealous of your success
>tries to get you killed out of said jealousy
>is absent for 95% of the game
>rejects you after you fuck her in the last act
>only in the very end does she realize that she wants to be with you
She's trash. I'll admit she has the best romance endings, but it's not really a high bar considering the others though.
my confused virgin hag eternally young granny wife!
>body count: ZERO
>
to get you killed
Yeah no thanks, I'll take my newly purified succ who doesn't try to kill me out of petty jealousy
Not bad, but I have a more... discerning eye.
>Spends the entire game manipulating you fully intending to kill you
>Laughs at you for believing her once you learn the truth
>Dumps your ass once she ascends anyway
If you played demon and simped for her you have no self respect, she deserves to have her realm take away and is lucky that Owlcat gave her plot armor and you can't kill her permanently
Dam boy,I can feel the burning hatred from those words.
You're like Riley Reid's husband.
wouldn't cleopatra be a better metaphor
Is that Nocticula or the cover art lady?
Nocticula. Her ascended form as a CN deity.
>hooves
Why are you gay?
if it's a magic setting can't they just restore their hymen for you or something
The hymen isn't what's important, anon. It's being their first and only. It's romantic.
First and only > last of many.
There need to be more games with pathetic female characters that are also romanceable. Like some evil warlock girl who spent her entire life practicing dark arts but is totally inexperienced with men because she never had time for a boyfriend.
You'd only find that in jap games. every western girl has to be experienced because it's "icky" otherwise.
If its a WRPG, you'll find out soon in her story that she had a one night stand with an incubus or something. Accompanied with a joke about her "experimenting wink wink".
That almost literally happened with the arab chick in Greedfall. She talks about how she's all work all study but she mentions that she had to 'scratch an itch' and found a random man to screw.
you just described the average "I can fix her" girl that CRPGs have been using since Viconia
Of course you don't want that actually, you want a pure virgin, so someone like Morrigan who is an expert evil mage but has never had a boyfriend doesn't count because she has had sex before
>doesn't count because she has had sex before
Bruh I don't think being put off by bitch that literally fucked dogs is a strange thing. Or maybe it is in 2023 I have no idea what's "normal" these days.
>dude le dogs she fucks dogs!
(You)
>bitch that literally fucked dogs
That's a plus, but it sadly doesn't apply to Morrigan
>so someone like Morrigan who is an expert evil mage but has never had a boyfriend doesn't count because she has had sex before
Well yeah, duh. The whole appeal is being their first romance. It doesn't work with Morrigan because she fucks strangers.
Last Bioware game that had a virgin option was fucking Dawn Star in Jade Empire.
So now you're going to pretend that Tali and Liara weren't virgins?
well you have this thing
Hard pass
well she IS pathetic...
And not inexperienced at all, hard pass
You will never get a pure virgin romance in western media ever again because roasties have their finger in the broth and will never allow it.
Go romance the retarded incompetent hag that tries to get you killed then
A pathetic evil necromancer's only way to be virgin would be to be extremely fucking ugly.
Depressed girls that join cults inevitably have lots of sex, the only way around it is to be actually repulsive. What you are asking for is anime tier.
>What you are asking for is anime tier
Yes, and....?
God I wish there was a jrpg story with western crpg gameplay
>Yes, and....?
And its shit, there are ways to make virgin characters without having the storytelling capability of a toddler just because you want to fulfill a specific fetish.
Hentai games seem more your speed.
>S-She's.... A VIRGIN!? NOOOOOO THIS IS BAD WRITING FUCKING WEEBS I FUCKING HATE ANIME DESPITE BROWSING THE ANIME WEBSITE SHE NEEDS TO TAKE COCK!!!
Are you perhaps a BG3 writer?
More like
>Ar you perhaps a crpg writer?
I don't know what would be worse, you missing the part where I say there are better ways to make virgin characters because you are illiterate, or you pretending it isn't there because you are just dishonest and can't handle your retardation being challenged.
Either way, its a pathetic thing to see.
>And its shit, there are ways to make virgin characters without having the storytelling capability of a toddler just
NTA but how is a depressed necromancer girl being a virgin bad writing? You could easily say she's extremely isolated or that her teacher is a literal lich. There's many ways to write that.
funny thing is, this event still happens even when you are officially in a relationship with her.
>Like some evil warlock girl who spent her entire life practicing dark arts but is totally inexperienced with men because she never had time for a boyfriend.
Isn't Cassia from their Rogue Trader game kinda that? An shy nerd who is also a living GPS
Cassia is nothing more than a sheltered noble Warhammer edition. For that example to work she would have to be an unsanctioned psyker
>Brianwashed
Who is Brian and why is he fucking all of our women?
>you cant romance this
owlcat devs really be like this
>DUDE WARHAMMER GIRLS ARE LIKE, CUTE ANIME GIRLS DUDE
No, they're fucking ugly, especially the tau
Some post on some (probably) their own forum or discord confirmed that the decision not to include an Argenta romance came from GW. Apparently they're backpedaling on lore from the Ciaphas Cain days.
This seems like a perfect reason for the devs to basically include all the "unused" official content, complete with multiple paths and the like, in the game files and let modders "discover" and implement it. Then, its not on them that GW was being a whiny bitch about it and players still get decent content instead of waiting for the whole route to be modded entirely out of character from the getgo.
>Some post on some (probably) their own forum or discord confirmed that the decision not to include an Argenta romance came from GW.
>taking their word for it when they lied about Amiri
>can't even find the screenshot
why even bother with this many levels of bullshit, anon?
>can't even find the screenshot
https://arch.b4k.co/_/search/text/argenta%20gw/
Was it really that hard?
do you mean this? because that's just them playing coy. of course it was owlcat's decision you mong. they're clearly angling for people to bite on the "le sisters are celibate in lore :^)" meme when that's patently not true.
Prove it
they already did this game once with Amiri.
Now prove that he's telling the truth
I'll trust my gut here. not only is Owlcat pulling this same finger pointing game again, which is more like to you, Owlcat being homosexuals about their women or the troon coomers at Paizo actually arguing for Amiri not to get laid?
>Just trust YowlCyat bro
no
Honestly I always felt like lusting after a bolter bitch would immediately be met by the emperor kicking your dick.
The hell you get 25 for Cam from? She's like 18-19 at most.
helping cammy improve her kill count
Alas you can't do that because her body count (both killing and sexual ones) will keep increasing without you in her ending
not if you install the unofficial camellia romance mod or whatever it's called
which pathfinder is the one in the image?
Just started my first WotR playthrough, neutral good Monk and going for Wenduag. I hope she's not as bad as you make her seem to be bros, I have a purification fetish.
She is but you'll end up making mental gymnastics here once she starts killing people and you're expected to pretend nothing happened.
Depends on the context I suppose, I'm at the start of the second chapter right now and she didn't do anything purely evil yet since joining, my headcanon is she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment. I know Nok-Nok was also tagged as "evil" in Kingmaker but he intregrated himself surprisingly well to a good playthrough.
There's going to be some concessions obviously but I'm more of a NG/CG person. Pathfinder Monks are supposed to be strictly LG but Kingmaker LG choices were only Lawtism shit so I bypassed the alignment restriction when making my character.
oh no she's much worse than nok nok, straight up evil
That's a shame I was hoping that wasn't case. Every RPG should include an evil companion that you can somwhat sway to good side and vice-versa.
nok nok is "evil" just because he's a goblin
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
kek, I'm stealing this pic. Maybe I shouldn't have skipped Kingmaker.
Yes there is, Daeran is just a selfish asshole but not really that evil
>my headcanon is she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment
That's not headcanon, that's literally what happens, but it doesn't erase how fucking horrible what she did is, dooming the mongrels she selected to either be turned into crazy cannibal retards, or to die because they couldn't handle it
nevermind the fact that she joins you gloating about it, clearly showing that she doesn't regret it in the slightest, and promising you an army of crazy cannibal mongrels which you accept, there is nothing remotely good about that
>insecurities and harsh environment
all mongrels except her are decent people though
bro, sure she got mind raped but that doesn't excuse her
cannibalism
murder
thievery
betrayal
being a retard who watch her mistress/master get dabbed on and still going back to them
being a retard who NEEDS constant surveillance or she'll do stupid shit
>she did what she did before because of insecurities and harsh environment
She was literally sending her own people to get mindfucked by demons and eaten in the maze, if you justify that with harsh environment, you can justify fucking anything.
Even if she can be redeemed/forgiven there is no way a good character picks her over lann
>Even if she can be redeemed/forgiven there is no way a good character picks her over lann
Sure you can. Lann is already a good person and doesn't need your guidance, but Wenduag needs someone to keep an eye on and guide her to the right path. It's easily justifiable if you have imagination.
No, it's not, she joins you by promising an army of crazy mongrel cannibals, and you have to lie about Lann, screwing him over. We've been over this a million times
She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over. It's both less evil and stupid a plan than it originally seems. Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people.
>No, trust me, turning the mongrels into crazy cannibals makes perfect sense. It will end racism!
>She does that specifically because she knows the mongrels would be discriminated against after the war is over.
No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her.
>Also, as long as you lie to Sull you can still recruit and romance her and still save the mongrels from eating people
All of this is completely irrelevant to a character making that decision without any of this knowledge
>No, she does that because its easier to serve savalemek than to fight him, and she's a sucker for power, she admits to this and its why she even serves you if you recruit her.
reddit-the character
>Post Lann
>Immediate kneejerk reaction from a Wenduagfag
Every time
You have just proven my point, all of that to come to the conclusion that power is everything
The reason she came to this conclusion is irrelevant, her motivation is to ammass power, not to save the mongrels. If your good character shooes away lann and takes her in instead, he is not a good character
>You have just proven my point, all of that to come to the conclusion that power is everything
Her reasoning is considerably more complexed and justified than what you claimed earlier.It's false to claim Wenduag only thinks about herself, if she did that, she would have abandoned the mongrel tribe a while ago.
>The reason she came to this conclusion is irrelevant
No, it really isn't. You can't just dismiss a character motivation because it conflicts with how justified you eprsonally feel the character to be.
>her motivation is to ammass power, not to save the mongrels.
She wants to do both. She even hesitates to kill Lann and spares him with relief when you let her.
>If your good character shooes away lann and takes her in instead, he is not a good character
Well I did, and my character alignment still says "Neutral Good". So fuck off.
>Well I did, and my character alignment still says "Neutral Good". So fuck off
Yes retard, same reason why you can be a serial killer and still remain lawful good, because it's a fucking video game
>.It's false to claim Wenduag only thinks about herself
She does
>she would have abandoned the mongrel tribe a while ago.
And go where? The people her life depends on have ordered her to stay there as a plant
>No, it really isn't. You can't just dismiss a character motivation because it conflicts with how justified you eprsonally feel the character to be.
When judging the person overall? Sure.
When evaluating wether to take her or lann in the party? Irrelevant. He also had a hard life, but he would never do what she did.
> She even hesitates to kill Lann
Oh wow, she hesitated to murder her innocent lover, that makes her better than lann obviously.
>She does
Wrong
>When judging the person overall? Sure.
>When evaluating wether to take her or lann in the party? Irrelevant. He also had a hard life, but he would never do what she did.
Which is why a perceptive Neutral Good character would rather have her close to them to keep an eye on and eventually redeem instead of the guy who has his shit together.
>would rather have her close to them to keep an eye on
Why do you keep repeating this meme argument? What you should do is try to fucking kill her (only for her to run away thanks to plot armor)
Stop trying to pretend like if screwing over Lann totally isn't evil at all, jesus christ you Wenduagfags are a special breed
>What you should do is try to fucking kill her (only for her to run away thanks to plot armor)
So the GD sparing a cultist makes him evil?
Remind me in what part of the GD questline do you have to take an obviously evil character who shows zero remorse, accept their objectively evil deal, and fuck over another guy who did nothing wrong besides make terrible jokes?
You have to let an objectively evil character go to unlock the mythic path
Yeah, it's very fucking stupid, or did you somehow miss all the people that complain about GD's bad writing? Hal doesn't even know what the fuck happens to said cultist, only that he became a healer but now WHO he heals, for all you know he's still an evil piece of shit. It's not like healing is a good guys only job
>Yeah, it's very fucking stupid, or did you somehow miss all the people that complain about GD's bad writing?
>I-it's bad writing because it makes me morally uncomofrtable 🙁
lol
>Hal doesn't even know what the fuck happens to said cultist, only that he became a healer but now WHO he heals, for all you know he's still an evil piece of shit. It's not like healing is a good guys only job
Oh you are an actual retard. Do you complain about how if a doctor takes a hippocratic oath they have to patient criminals too?
You don't fuck over an innocent for no reason there.
>send the good guy back to the caves to be hunted by his own people who will blame him for what happened and take on the deranged cannibal promising you an army of deranged brainwashed cannibals
Yep, definetly the NG choice there
As I said, olympic levels of gymnastics
Anon, are you completely ignoring the circumstances in which said choice is made?
>if you have imagination
No, it is if you are an olympic athlete at mental gymnastics
The way Pathfinder handles the alignment system is retarded anyone.
D&D all but abandoned it's system when Pathfinder goes so far into the other direction and makes it so that races have a biolotical disposition to be fucking monsters to the point that trying to be a good person causes them outright pain.
Both extremes are shit.
not just mental gymnastics more like moral acrobatics
>Playing the town bicycle class while going for the town bicycle romance option
Kekekekeke
>Neutral good monk
Monks have to be lawful...
Kingmaker was full of Lawtist drivel such as "d-did you just steal a loaf a bread to feed your sick sister ? I guess you'll have to turn yourself in then...". I'm not dealing with that shit again, I might just die from cringe alone.
Lawful for Monks means path to enlightenment and keeping to their tenets, Owlcat's interpretation for LG is absolute dogshit. Unless they fixed it for WotR, I'm not changing that.
Owlcat can't do alignments to save their lives.
They literally couldn't fucking do the geometry of the chart right and because of it, you can go from lawful good to neutral good not because you did anything chaotic but because your good choices slid your position against the curve of the circle towards the side. It's just deranged alignment design.
Looks like I'm disabling alignment restriction for classes then.
How hard is it to have a square alignment chart? Why the fuck do they NEED the circle? Literally every problem with their alignment system would be solved if they were just using a square instead of a circle.
They hate squares so much in rogue trader it will be a triangle
They just despise squares
Owlcat interpretation is questionable but there will come a time when we have to admit alignment, especially lawful and chaotic, is fucking retarded when taken seriously
I suppose so,but the problem is context. There's
>Lawism adherence to societal or group traditional laws above all others
>Adherence to one's persona values, rules and the like.
Much same way there is chaos in the
>I do wacky random shit because CHAOS I AM THE PENGUIN OF DOOM! SPORK...IS NOW IN YOUR KIDNEY HAHAHA! TIME THAT I CHANGE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER BECAUSE CHAOS!
>I follow feelings and impulses and don't think too hard about planning shit out or cling to past things if they don't serve me in the current moment
Its just like how "good and evil" can be broken down into oversimpifications of each, or more complex setups, but admittedly its harder to do this in a game. Larian and Pathfinder both seem to have some issues with these, but Larian seems a ltitle better at handling it.
I think Larian handled it well by removing all alignments and having most characters be at least a little selfish about their own goals and ideologies. It's more believeable. Even obviously evil characters like Astarion have coherent reasons to be the way they are, instead of WotR having the gnome knight be so lawful just for order's sake he'd actually kill an entire village for hiding an orphan who stole half a loaf of bread, and an insane jester be so heckin chaotic he'd turn everyone into frogs or whatever for fun.
Yeah, honestly beyond flavor choice for your OC during character creation having aligment included in dialog and it having an impact on classes/story is a bad idea in a vidya because there is always going to be a context or reasoning from the player. When you have a GM in front of you it works, but when you're left with the dev's idea of which is which then there's often nothing but frustration.
That's pretty much true. Not to mention that Astarion has a well enough written background that you, even playing one of the Paladin types and obviously Good, will have reason to keep him around an shows some degree of development if you're there to support him when he does something good-leaning, which will encourage him to do it more and bristle against his ages of programming.
I am also a bit annoyed that you cannot be a Dhampir in BG3.
I think it comes down to the depth possible. Honestly, with enough AI engine connection stuff trained well enough you could have a much deeper experience closer to dealing with a human DM in a game, but of course this only works if you have a local model; the last thing I want is a game that has to connect to whomever the fuck's proprietary AI As A Service.
They did.
it's like that in wotr too, i was playing paladin but i wasn't being retarded with my laws, a lot of the time it's basically shitting on someone who is already a pile of shit, pointless and most likely makes them hate the laws even more
i was constantly on the edge of NG
Kingmaker had some actual fun Lawful Evil stuff though.
That's evil though, not lawful evil specifically
LE playthrough with my LE wife, perfect way to enjoy Kingmaker
>that portrait
I legimately fell as a paladin in kingmaker because I saved a dying man when your keep gets attacked because it was labeled as "Neutral good". Fuck owlcat
>I hope she's not as bad as you make her seem to be bros
The first thing she does after banging you is brag about how many men and women she had sex with before you.
It's depressing that the five minutes of romance in each of these hundred hour CRPGs is all anyone here ever feels like discussing
>around 50+% of males aged 18 to 30 in western countries are lonely virgins
>being surprised that the romance wish fulfillment gets talked about
Begone, redditor.
>he fucked the pixels again
ngmi
Would male romances be better if Lann, Sosiel and Daeran were genderbent?
>Literal whore
>MUH PURE VIRGIN but she's an ugly boring negress
Only Lann would be good, you would just start begging for the incubus to be a succubus and romanceable instead of crying because she's not a virgin
Other stories might insert a monkey paw into a character relationship. Owlkittens insert at least three for some reason.
>Just want to be helpful to others and be good
>Help somebody with one simple side quest
>That must mean you want to fuck them and they want to fuck you!
gib spider gf
Isn't Arue a literally "I can fix her" companion who you can actually fix? Isn't this what anons want? What's wrong with that?
/LULZ/ gave everyone on Ganker an idea that if you aren't women's first then she is a whore and you are a failure
i mean statistically theyre not wrong
Reality also gives that impression.
I don't know how to break this to you, but a person who literally saved themselves for marriage is likely very religious and was likely doing so for religious reasons, and would therefore be opposed to divorce for religious reasons as well. This doesn't mean the marriage is happier.
Me: charts and stats
You: some bullshit you made up in your head
Non virgins have a 4x divorce multiplier after their first skank event and it gets worse from there
Have you ever heard of the phrase "lying with statistics"?
>then she is a whore and you are a failure
To be fair, they aren't wrong about that.
Accepting that is a part of life.
>WHAT HOW DARE YOU WANT TO BE THE LOVE OF A WOMAN'S LIFE /LULZ/ INCEL INCEL
It's a romantic thought. What the fuck is wrong with that?
Ganker gets insecure because the succubus had sex and their tiny dicklets can't possibly satisfy her
Also no she's not, she's already fixed when you meet her
Does "I can fix her" really apply to a character who isn't evil or has any glaring faults, other than being afraid of getting horny? If anything, this would really just apply to Camellia. Only that you can't fix shit.
Which is better?
Kingmaker or WotR?
Wotr is objectively more polished, better QoL features, etc.
Gameplay wise they are the same, but wotr has a higher powerlevel because of mythic paths which means the enemies are also thougher.
Story and setting wise it's really up to taste, Kingmaker is more comfy and relaxed, the other more epic powerfantasy
Companions are also very subjective, I like both.
One thing wotr has over kingmaker is a bearable last act, not good, but bearable. Last act in kingmaker is awful from a gameplay perspective, absolutely painful
I'd start with kingmaker honestly, it's more of your classic fantasy adventure and it also is easier to switch from KM to wotr than the other way around.
Is that Kingmaker drawn by the Dungeon Meshi chick? Neat.
WotR is overall better but Kingmaker has soul
Wrath is harder and you have more shit to do, but being harder also means that enemies are more bullshit and thus you need to compensate with shit like buffs. Lots of buffs. Kingmaker starts with low level shit and gets progressively more high tier but never quite reaches the WotR levels of bullshit until very very late game.
Just play both. You should play both.
I prefer KM. its certainly more "vanilla" which can be good or bad.
i actually quite like kingdom management as an extra mechanic, over the army stuff from wotr. though you can choose to pretty much skip both.
wotr is more crazy balls to the wall all out, in stakes and power level. KM is like 5 bucks now (or free), I'd play both, they are both excellent CRPG, among the very best even.
Going to counter the other anons by saying I fucking hated Kingmaker. I generally prefer more local, low-level adventures but it sucked. The companions are tedious, the campaign is tedious, the kingdom management is tedious. But Wrath is really good. Skip Kingmaker completely.
Wrath in nearly every way
EXCEPT, I really liked wandering around the map and discovering shit and the random small areas with just a big fight.
Also kingdom management > crusade management
KM has better writing
I liked the story and characters in KM more, although I wouldn't recommend playing it first, since WotR is way better at explaining the mechanics to new players.
>wrpg
>rushit
The discord troon squad has arrived. Now I know why they shill BG3 so hard now.
pf writing is atrocious and world building is absolute trash
why they have '80s tech in a medeival world?
I don't care what hamplanet dangerhair writes these characters at least they're fighting the good fight against the vapid wish fulfillment isekaiification of fiction
Keep wishing homosexual they keep pandering too, Ganker is just filled with omega turbo autists that throw a fit at the mere prospect of a succubus not being a virgin
Cassia is a disney waifu, she was designed this way specifically.
Arue is also wish fullfillment, people here are just autistic.
Camellia is the only one in that list that actually defies wish fullfillment by acting in character in the ending slides.
Camellia leaving comes completely out of nowhere and this shithole shows that any character no matter how unhinged can have a legion of waifufags simping for her
>comes completely out of nowhere
Come the fuck on, you are just proving you are just as retarded as the waifutard that made the mod to make her stay with you
truly a king among men, even though I like the normal ending because it's open ended anyway
>because it's open ended anyway
Kek, is that how you cope?
it's how it is
It's not, she dumped you, that's that. Morrigan dumping you and leaving a ring that allows her to detect your presence and you promising that you WILL find her is open ended (before witch hunt came out, obviously)
Camellia's isn't
it doesn't say anything about what happens next so it's open ended
Okay bro, whatever helps you sleep at night
>dumped you
Wasn't it that she didn't dump you so much as she actually loved you so much and she always had a compulsion to basically kill those she loved or got close to, so its different from her just fucking off for the next heroic dick or whatever, when from her perspective she cares about you enough to not only spare your life and take you out of danger, both of which are sacrifices on that part of her, which shows a growth on her part and immense care for the PC in that ending.
Sugarcoat it all you want but yes, she dumps you
>so its different from her just fucking off for the next heroic dick or whatever
>DUDE SHE FUCKS SHE TAKES COCK
Let it be known that you brought this up, not me
There is nothing open ended, its pretty straightforward. It was never going to work out, be thankful she cares enough to not slit your PCs throat before leaving.
But some of the oldest examples of speculative fiction(the forerunner to modern fantasy and sci fi) were wish fulfillment escapist fantasy.
Hell that's why a lot of people read books back then and now. Fuck off with this midwit tier GRR Martin take.
Not nearly to the same degenerate degree modern fiction is.
Dorothy didn't go to Oz and fuck pure virgin anime girls. The pulpslop with dudes in spandex getting femdommed by furry aliens is the closest thing but there's a reason that shit was considered lowbrow.
I'm with JSawyer when it comes to romance in vidya. It's almost always cringe.
*has the cringiest romance in fiction in your path*
I actually liked it
But then again I played it 5 years ago, maybe I just don't properly remember how shit it was
I disagree with Sawyer and his reasoning. He says it's bad because a video game romance presents sex with a woman as a prize which is a wrong way to look at romance according to him.
I say that sex is fun and great and there's nothing wrong with making it a prize. Tasteful fan service is good.
I think Kanerah in Kingmaker sort of subvert this, since you can fuck her really early and it builds on top of that, rather then having the first fuck be the 'capstone' of the relationship.
I think Sawyer is talking about more, Mass Effect style relationships, where you get + points from dialogue options and it ends in a underwear-on-dry-humping cutscene.
Also cam and wenduag in wrath fuck you in act 3 well before of the bulk of their romance content
>Ywn have hot gay romance with a 9ft tall horny double-agent
Why even live ?
Also, Josh Sawyer wrote two of the worst gaming romances of the current century in PoE 2 so I'm not going to take advice from him regarding this lmao
Kingmaker suffers from the timegates and boss timings, as well as the god awful kingdom management meaning you can hard ruin your entire playthrough and not know it for ten hours if you're not following guides on higher difficulties. WotR is way better in that regard.
Camellia my beloved.
Can I be a good lich?
rookie numbers
There needs to be a doujin where Hitler fucks all the israelites in Europe to achieve his goals by watering down bloodlines instead of murder.
i once read a doujin where a conquering country forced a high priestess to marry a goblin and have lots of children as a bloodline cleansing. they also made a point to say that the couple got a lot of taxpayer money. hentai genocide is underrated
Sounds based, link?
https://exhentai.org/g/2252427/b075a2d862/
hell yeah
Shit like this is probably why they won't add tiny monster races. Imagine being a Mendevian peasant and finding out your queen stepped down from the throne to get fucked by a goblin.
Well, I mean, she can still have stepped down from the throne to get fucked by a gnome.
It's a shame, I REALLY want to play a 20 int goblin alchemist with a very unhethical approach to experimentation
They won't add them because they're monsters. Look at Nok-Nok, he's unusual by goblin standards but he's still a fucking goblin who talks like a retard and defaults to stabbing and burning everything
It would require extra effort, writing new dialogue options, new reactivity to people being dumbfounded by how stupid you are. Owlcat would never do that
so perfect..
The prefect seedbed
Kill, kill, marry & plap
Imagine licking her glowing purple butterfly crotch tattoo
>tattoo turns from a purple outline to a fully colored butterfly when she conceived
The happy meal may be exactly what you expect it to be, but the wine is poisoned, the steak is brimming with mad cow, and by the end of the night that steak knife will be in your trachea.
>but the wine is poisoned
I wouldn't expect anything else from my beloved
>food analogy
it's food alright
For the worms in the basement
The aruecuck is mindbroken beyond belief
What the fuck are you talking about
What about Valerie?
I feel like I am the only person on this website that likes her portrait
That's make two of us.
Ugly manjaw, but she mindbroke purityfags so much they're still seething to this day, she's okay
>her romance confession is her telling you the story about how some random mercenary she met used to clap her cheeks every night and how much she loved it
Somebody at Owlcat is a literal cuck and I'm pretty sure I know who it is give what else he's written.
Not defending that writing but I think this was the point. She's literally a 9 INT autistic retard who doesn't know how to interact with people on a personal level.
boring
She has a Deskari sized stick up her ass and she's also ugly (even by Owlcat portrait standards) when in-universe she's supposed to be beautiful
Twins are better, individually even. But she's better than Octavia
At least Octavia has an excuse to be how she is. Valerie is just a walking Woman Moment.
When you think about it Valerie's issues really are absolute child's play compared to everyone else's in the game (minus Jubilost, but that's only because he doesn't have any major issues)
i literally cant take valerie seriosuly cuz the game keeps telling me how hot and gorgeous she is but she just look like a fucking average guy
Valerie would have been better if they had made her portrait more conventionally attractive. The Alternate Female NPC Portraits mod unironically saves her character because it makes the whole scion of Shelyn, characters constantly remarking on her beautiful face, and her whole "lost beauty" character arc less grating, and what's more the placid look she has on her face fits her noble, genteel character more than her original portrait's grimace (the grimace might be more reflective of her soul, since she's a lawful neutral character who hates the disorder of the Stolen Lands, but it isn't reflective of her actual face since the game makes it clear that she goes to some lengths to hide her frustration). I feel like they made Valerie's portrait before they decided what they were going to do with the character.
I think it fits, according to in game dialogue she doesn't wear any makeup and purposely cuts her hair to be as unflattering as possible. The permanent scowl she has also adds to her attempts to be unattractive.
Except that canonically she doesn't succeed, she's still supposed to be beautiful
my queen
God I fucking hate romance options in games.
It's always awful cringe and terribly written, and it leads to deranged losers waifu fagging and arguing over shit characters.
The entire west also collectively decided that attractive female character design is akin to a warcrime which makes it even worse.
Like when this shit started with the original ass effect at least you were rewarded with some hot alien ass, now people do it to build imaginary emotional connections with poorly written characters that you wouldn't even want to fuck in reality over the average cute girl at the grocery store.
You fucking homosexuals all need to go touch grass lol
I wish games like Pathfinder and BG3 had a Neverwinter Nights style creation kit.
That game's main campaign was fucking atrocious but the game still lives on because of some fun modules made by people.
Imagine being able to play a Pathfinder module using WotR as a base but it's made by like, three guys and there's no retarded overworld mini-game or cuckoldry
Pretty sure they did release something like this for Kingmaker or said they were going to. Not sure how that ended up.
It will never happen again for D&D at least because they want to "protect their IP" and their brand. Can't have anyone making disagreeable content or god forbid something better than the base game. Probably not for Pathfinder either if I remember the open game license controversy correctly
Well another issues is that KM and Wotr are made with unity which is a huge pain in the ass to mod.
""Romance"" focus ruined RPGs
Mmm...
>ive never had sex because im an antisocial retard
>therefore women shouldnt have sex either
just convert to a religion so you can mask your social retardation as abstinence before marriage you fucking freaks
women shouldnt have sex either
That's not the problem. One is a succubus so I'll give it a pas, but
>Camellia is a whore that fucks some rando every time after she kills
>Wenduag is a whore that fucks anyone she thinks is strong enough or to manipulate them
I don't care if they're non virgins, I didn't have a meltie over Valerie like the average waifufag here. But whores? No thanks
anon all women are whores all people are whores
i will be picking the one who fucks shotas
Arueshalae then
Camellia... I love you.
Why is she so fucking autistic? I thought psychopaths were supposed to be manipulative not act like a bratty middle schooler with a crush.
She lived all her life secluded in the gwerm mansion she has 0 real life experience
attractiveness is almost all of social skills, anon
Go play dating sims, subhuman
Owlcat's romances are better than Larian's romances specifically *because* they aren't just pandering to the player, but are attempting to expand on the story of the characters.
Yes, there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works, but that wouldn't fit at all thematically in a game that's supposed to be about fighting the marauding demon hordes crawling out of the Abyss.
And, besides, if you want a game where you get to fuck an naive anime girl who doesn't know what a penis is, just buy Owlcat's next game, Rogue Trader.
>but that wouldn't fit at all thematically in a game that's supposed to be about fighting the marauding demon hordes crawling out of the Abyss.
Absolutely braindead logic. What the fuck does having sex have to do with that? Especially when the game already has virgins like Sosiel, Woljif and of course Galfrey.
And why the FUCK are you including Larian? Every single girl in BG3 is a whore, did you play the game?
>Why shouldn't we have a stupid saccharine anime romance in a dark game about a demon invasion?
>in a dark game about a demon invasion?
lol
LMAO
This game is anything but dark
>DUDE BUT BLOOD AND TORTURE IT'S SO LE HECKING DARK
No, it's not, being violent doesn't make something "dark"
What makes you think it's not dark? The fact that you play as a hero with special powers who gives some kind of hope to the setting?
>Endless crying about how many quips and reddit humor the game has
>Dude but it's le.... dark!?
Retard, the entire game is a power trip from beginning to end of your saving everyone's sorry ass, with a shitton of humor, be it lighthearted or black
So, the fact that you play as a mythic hero and there are jokes means the game isn't dark?
>there are jokes
No, the entire game is one walking joke, at every opportunity someone always makes a quip
Dark my ass, it's like if you took Berserk and every character act like Puck
Play the actual game, dumbass, instead of acting like every companion is Nenio.
Imagine looking at Seelah, Lann and Camellia quipping when you're fighting Minagho for the first time and actually thinking this is going to be "dark"
Extremely fucking powerful demon that could rape you all with ease and those clowns are cracking jokes
>Imagine looking at Seelah, Lann and Camellia quipping when you're fighting Minagho
That never happens though? The first time you encounter her they take her seriously. The only time they quip at her is when you fight her in Act 4 at which point you're a demigod and she's a gnat to you.
Lann quips, as he always does. Camellia goes
>hummmm my hecking boulevards????
Just so that Seelah can point out that innocent people died and Camellia can go
>oh yes yes I totally care for the common people
hecking funny bro, they're lucky they have plot armor and Minagho didn't just kill all of them right then and there
>it's like if you took Berserk and every character act like Puck
are you implying that Berserk at one point didn't turn into Guts and his wacky DnD adventures including e-boi witch and others, actually WotR is pretty comparison
Well yeah, it did, and it sucks
I disagree, if Berserk would be constant grim dark it would turn it into a 40k grimderp tier fiction
Having humor sometimes is good, in fact that was the entire point of Puck's existence, to provide comic relief so things wouldn't be THAT bleak. But there's that and then there's going overboard
depends, Miura was obviously trying to balance things, I agree he may went overboard at some points but still better than going full retard
>40k grimderp tier fiction
You act like 40k doesn't have an entire faction of comic relief football hooligans running around causing a ruckus and having rock concerts in the middle of a battlefield for kicks.
>saccharine anime romance in a dark game
And it's the most popular one too lmao, cry about it
Can't wait for your endless seethe once you can romance the virgin fishfu or the space elf in a fucking Warhammer game
>NOOOOO SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RACIST YOU'RE LIKE A DOG TO HER IT DOESN'T FIT THE SETTING
That doesn't count as a saccharine romance because she's a succubus and not a paradoxical virgin succubus, and therefore a vile whore, anon.
Can't wait for shit sales, like all 40k games
>IT WILL FLOP IT WILL FLOP IT WILL FLOP
Sure it will froggy, sure it will.
Screencapped, can't wait for inevitable flop and later pushing you out of internet
Pathfinder is done, best you can hope for is that they go for Warhammer Fantasy
Owlcat's romances are better because they aren't just free for all horny fuckfests like BG3 companions. They have preferences, character ticks and backstories that all effect the way their romance develops. This push to make every character bisexual or more specifically "playersexual" is cheap.
>Yes, there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works
Laria doesn't have that either.
Shadowheart?
You don't want to go down that rabbit whole anon. Don't turn this thread into Halsinposting please.
>Halsinposting
Why was Larian so certain that everyone would want to fuck their dollar store Orion anyway?
You know he's only a companion because people asked for it, right? Larian just pandered to their fans
But the people that asked for it (reddit) don't wan them either. They hate him now.
I know. But you asked why Larian was convinced people would want to fuck him, well that's the answer, because they saw how many wanted to fuck him so they gave in and made him a companion
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it. Fucking homosexual Orion.
>be Empire
>Bretonnia and the Welves are almost completely overrun by vampires and greenskins
>absolutely blitz the entire area with two armies
>both get pretty worn down removing bloodsuckers, most of Bretonnia now back in Louen's hands but Grom is still a threat
>I foresaw this and was raising a brand new, even stronger army led by Gelt
>take this army across the mountains from Solland
>ONE TOE touches Athel Loren
>Orion, previously a staunch military ally, immediately gets pissy
>Wood Elves start abandoning our treaties as their diplomacy rating decays
>One conHispanicuously marches a big army right onto the part of Southern Bretonnia I'd liberated but hadn't given back to Louen yet, begins following one of my more battered armies around
>They think they're so slick
>Recruit more hellstorm rocket batteries, strike first, and completely genocide every last Wood Elf
Felt good.
Her selunite religion has regular orgies.
Play the fucking game retard, one of her first companion banters is her saying that she prefers casual sex over longterm relationships. Later on you learn that before she lost her memories she used to fuck other Sharrans (they can't fall in love, but sex? They can get away with that) and don't even get me started in the cuck bait and switch in act 3
Shadowheart is the sluttiest of the bunch.
The closest you get to blushing virgin anime waifu is Karlach. And that's only because she physically can't touch anyone. She's still horny as fuck.
>they aren't just pandering to the player
LOL
>there are no blushing virgin anime waifus for whom you are the first boy they ever met and they aren't quite sure how the whole sex thing works
lol owlnaggers really are the dumbest motherfuckers around, inagine looking at arue and thinking "totally not a waifubait character!"
Arue is a succubus and consequently, by the logic of your lot, and irredeemable whore.
nta but no one is irredeemable
you cant redeem a hymen anon
But you can redeem a person
Everyone who comes on here to complain about WotR's romances basically says that Arue is a bad romance because she is a succubus and therefore fucked a ton of people before getting her soul turned back on by Desna and therefore an irredeemable whore.
>your lot
i don't know what imaginary group you're imagining me as part of, but this deflection doesn't make your original argument any less retarded
>i don't know what imaginary group you're imagining me as part of
People who hate on the Pathfinder games and/or their romances.
Is that not a group to which you belong?
What fucking virgin anime waifus are there in BG3 you insufferable cuck?
I never said that BG3 had virgin anime waifus in their game, merely that their romances were intended to pander to the player, which they are.
People who want virgin anime waifus are left high and dry in both games, but that doesn't mean that BG3 isn't pandering like hell with its "player-sexual" orgy romances.
Wtf ya talking about, PF also panders to the player
Not to the degree that the haters want it to pander to the player. They want every character to be player-sexual. They want to be their character's first, even if their romance is a fucking succubus.
>They want to be their character's first, even if their romance is a fucking succubus
Yes, thanks to the power of technicalities
>merely that their romances were intended to pander to the player, which they are.
God I fucking wish. Your standards are in the toilet.
Imagine white knighting for angry roastie writers and seeing it as 'based and enlightened'.
Josh Sawyer was right. He's a gigantic homosexual but he was right regarding romances in RPGs.
>noooo why do people want romance in their escapism
Sawyer is a retard and so are you.
where the fuck are all the cool classes from previous DnD games, where is weaponmaster? where is storm lord? where is the arcane archer? yes I know there's magus class for that but it's not the same, where is the shadowdancer? also war priest in this game sucks? all those classes but not those I want
1 cam pic = 1 seethe
guaranteed
I unironically love her.
It's hard not to love the best written romance in rpg history
Why do Aruefags ruin every Pathfinder thread?
>H-He posted and Arue pic? NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
And then he complains about being mindbroken damn
it's literally 1 obsessed and bitter autist
Why are you talking about yourself every time someone mentions Arue?
Why are you so mindbroken by them?
Now I have to play wrath. Those sound actually interesting.
this stuff just makes me depressed because i will never have real lufe romance. irl i am an incel, in game i am a volcel.
I'm the only anon on Ganker that romanced Octavia
I romanced her on my third playtrough so I could shitpost with more knowledge
Honestly, she's well written, but her starting with an half orc bf really really turns people off, including myself.
I did too, and after doing it I'd happily place her above Valerie. Valerie starts off good but gets progressively worse made even funnier by the contrast between her farmer ending and the romance ending. Octavia starts off shit but gets much better once you separate her form that garbage relationship she's in, she also makes a surprisingly good queen unlike Valerie. The goat twins still mog both of them though.
>Camellia
Has arguably the best dialogue out of all the romances, but she's unequivocally unfit for good characters, and even some evil characters will shy away. The date scenes with her are top notch however, and her VA truly sells it.
>Arueshaelae
Designeted waifu of the game, very vanilla, very anime uwu, but if that's your thing, she has tons of content and is pretty sweet. Mediocre VA but you will wish for a redeemed succuwife IRL.
>Galfrey
Well written dialogue and cute date but she has less content than any other romance, I cannot suggest you go for her, arue is probably better for good characters, but if you like her go ahead. Also she's probably a virgin if you are the kind of guy that wants that.
>Wenduag
Cool idea, poor execution, her companion quest and romance content are at odds in term of writing, meaning she's not a consistent character. You would realistically only pick her if you are evil, but her romance has severe good "I can fix her" undertones. Hot BDSM spider however, passable if you fancy her.
>Nocticula
If you go for the demon tardrage path it's to dominate and destroy, not to be a simp, 0/10. Well, not really 0, she's hot as fuck and IRL I wuld become her willing slave, but I find it hard to justify any of my characters in what is essentially a powerfantasy to go trough with it.
If you are willing to become a subordinate to a demon lord in a game where you kill several, than I guess go for it.
>The date scenes with her are top notch however, and her VA truly sells it.
https://files.catbox.moe/fn8pow.mp3
https://vocaroo.com/1h3DPOEgkrEK
i have that one too
https://voca.ro/1itGIhdcgto2
goddammit, where the fuck is my motivation to finish this?
saved
>an ungodly painful smack to her rump
bless you
Her personality screams for it. She's such a cute brat. And you know Horgus never properly disciplined her.
it's pretty much what happens during the "normal" date, it's hilarious
more or less
and while furious, she comes back wanting you more than ever
Her banter with Lann is fucking hilarious. Even Daeren being the troll that he is has e sense of fun banter with Lann, but Cam Cam just fucking hates the guy simply because he's ugly.
TMD
such a good girl
>Repeat the same joke nonstop every time
No it's not, when you do that it stops being funny.
Camellia treating Lann like the disgusting mongrel he is never stop being funny though
It stops being funny after like the third time she does it, anything else is just you projecting your hatred onto the half lizard.
That's why Nenio is garbage, because le quirky scientist funny meme joke is something that gets overused nonstop through the entire game. Literally "get better material"
Nenio wasn't funny the first time either
I chuckled at the cultist quiz and her making Baphomet mad, but that's it
shut up lann
Why is she so perfect for shitposting purposes
She just wants to have fun
Any slutchads here?
What's the point if the slut doesn't look hot?
>Any averageowlcatgirlchad here?
Yes, it's filled with them
But the fish is pure
That's why I said average, it doesn't mean all of them anon
She looks like a shitty version of Samira
>couldn't romance amiri
>couldn't romance targona
>can't romance argenta
What the FUCK is wrong with the homos at Owlcat?
>Putting Targona on the same tier as Amiri and Argenta
Absolutely no one gives a fuck about her compared to the other two that are easily the most popular characters of their games
Literally everybody wanted to fuck Amiri though.
That's what I said anon...
I have 8 INT please understand
too mannish
would keep as an onahole but not a concubine
I gave a fuck. When you go from Angel to Swarm she makes a vow to kill you and never does. We should have been able to devour her.
>if you flirt with camellia as a women she literally pulls a "no way fag'
Dropped. Would've been a kino lesbian romance.
cope and seethe, dyke
As a trans woman, she's only interested in men.
based chudmellia
The chud to tranny pipeline is real huh
What exactly did they mean by this?
"not a demon" most likely
I LOVE Jerribeth!
>Jerribeth romance neverEVER
AAAAAHHH TAKE THE ROPE MISHULIN
>early act 3
>random encounter
>start the encounter surrounded by 6 ash giants five levels higher than me
Thanks Owlcat very cool
Do you have the one with the twins
Not him but here.
>inb4 master1200
It was too big.
If your waifu hasn't eaten at least a little bit of human flesh can you really say you love her?
That's the problem with the average D&D players, they have to give the most extreme and tragic background to their chracters.
For fuck sake, just roleplay a farmer who don't want to crop tomatoes the rest of his life and just want to get rich fast and get a big titty drow gf.
What does being a whore have to do with being tragic?
Have you read anything besides the body count? Also promiscuity is a signal of mental unstabiity.
But anoooon I want to be super speciul!
Unironically the best antagonist of KM. Both him and Pitax felt rushed as fuck, feels like they should've had a longer arc.
The best antagonist in Kingmaker is the meme king
>felt rushed as fuck
That goes for both games
That goes for literally every CRPG. Name ONE that had a satisfactory final act. Even BG3's biggest dick suckers admit that Act 3 is a mess.
MotB
Baldur's gate 1 and 2
>That goes for literally every CRPG. Name ONE that had a satisfactory final act.
While Underrail's story ends on a sequel hook, the final dungeon itself is a huge rape cave with different biomes, unique enemies and gimmicks that put all your skills to test, and you can't leave until you're done. There's satisfying puzzles including one if solved will greatly weaken the final boss, and the answer is randomized for each playthrough so it wrecks guidenaggers. Also, due to the game's esoteric missable lore you can just bumble around not knowing what the fuck you're even doing, or if you finished certain optional quests and met some NPCs before, put pieces together and figure out how all the seemingly unrelated shit actually connects with each other.
I tried to play underrail, but i was literally unable to find the tutorial zone. The first mission you get after you do the training course? Where they tell you to find a dude in some tunnels? I couldn't find it. I tried looking at videos, and couldn't find it. Spend over half an hour looking for it.
I'm too dumb for that game.
Underrail puzzles were something else.
>wanted to rape Valerie's fat tits
based
That's another think about Valerie's supposed attractiveness. We're meant to infer that she's built like a brickhouse according to characters like Octavia and Irovetti, yet again her portrait betrays this because he's wearing plate armor that doesn't even remotely show off her supposed amazing body. That portrait really ruined her interactions.
i mean who can resist a 19con godess
I think Tartuccio is fucking kino
Honestly, Kingmaker felt like it had a superhero rogue gallery of memorable villains, I liked that.
I could never finish Kingmaker, after Vordakai I just get so burned out. Same thing happened with Wrath in Act 5 but I managed to power through that at least.
Wenduag was best girl
Best payoff for sure but the amount of bullshit you have to put up with to get to that point is a bit much.
>was
Fitting, but it was "worst" not "best"
Warhammer universe makes zero sense
>supposed to be extremely dangerous with multiple things that are anathema to man
>yet there's like legit literally quadrillions of humans through space
There's so many people that billions can die and it doesn't matter.
If you want examples of how that can happen imagine an entire planet like India and leave it alone for 40,000 years with space tech and some support resources.
Every planet isn't shit either. There's lots of paradise planets but obviously nothing exciting happens in those places. 40k is all about immeasurable scale.
Most people live their entire lives without seeing shit, their biggest issues are the shitty living conditions in hive cities and/or Terra/Earth. Factions lose entire planets pretty often, it's just a drop in the bucket.
You can fix Wenduag though. You can romance her, help her to regain her honor and teach her to trust those around her and she´ll become as loyal as they come. And if you play Aeon you can give her a fresh start effectively turning her into a literal devoted virgin.
You can´t hope to fix the other 2. Cam Cam can not be fixed no matter what and Arue can only be partially fixed. Even if the goddess forgives and cleanse her that only means that from that moment onward she´ll have a chance at redemption, but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased.
>but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased
Why?
If you pull off the true Aeon ending you don´t seal the wound, you undo it and everything returns to the way it should be before the planes collided which means Arue is sent back to hell.
Arue was sinning long before the wound was opened. She reforms as much as a Succubus possibly could but i wouldn´t say she becomes "pure".
good point, I assume aeon can only change timelines only since the opening of the worldwound so everything that happened before still happened? Idk
It probably could but it wouldn´t. The aeon´s concern is mostly to undo the wound because it alters the natural order of the planes. It´s something that should not have happened. Once it´s undone so are it´s consequences and the timeline changes as a result.
That´s undone too. Arue caught Desna´s attention because of how she perverted one of her followers while on the mortal plane but with the wound undone Arue never committed the crime so she was never judged.
That is correct though. She loses Desna´s blessing and is returned to her natural state but if her memories of the commander and the events remain she´ll do her best to "be good" (by abyss standards)
>but i wouldn´t say she becomes "pure".
She does though, Desna did purify her.
>you undo it and everything returns to the way it should be before the planes collided which means Arue is sent back to hell
To the abyss, and if you allow her to keep her memories she stops being evil.
>Arue was sinning long before the wound was opened
It applies to her ever since she's "born" whenever a demon is born.
>her sins can not be erased
but they can be forgiven
>but unlike Wendu´s sins her sins can not be erased
I'm going to assume you're talking about aeon, in which case play the fucking game or just read the thread
She's still a succubus she's literally made of sin
Nah, not once she stops being a demon
That's the entire point of the questline
She is made of sinners, not sin.
she's literally made of the mass of the abyss so yes she is. Until she stops being a demon, that is
>f the mass of the abyss
She is made from various larvaes that were sinners sent to the abyss, who eat each other and grow into demons
It's explained in detail. She even says desna gave her flashbacks of the previous lives of the souls that form her, so you are clearly mistaken.
Outsiders are made out of both
>Ekun, Jubilost and Harrim all want to be present while I wipe out trolls
>playing as an alchemist so Jubilost is mostly redundant but I kinda need his acid bombs for the branded trolls since I only have explosive myself
>Ekun is boring and doesn't add any utility but I want to let him have his Punisher moment
>Linzi has all my best buffs and my best trickery score for traps and treasure but four archers seems non-viable
Does Jubilost actually get any interesting dialogue from being along for the trip or can I just bench him?
>>Ekun is boring
Holy shit taste. Also Jubilost is based
He doesn't have anything but multishot and a dog right now, and you don't even need to care about positioning since he has like 60m range, I don't know how anyone could find that interesting.
I thought you were talking about his personality... but even then, shit taste. Ekundayo is extremely fucking strong, especially with the bow you get in that troll fortress
devourer of metal carries him hard
If I thought his personality was boring why would I care about letting him genocide trolls? It wouldn't even be a dilemma, I'd have just benched him for Linzi or Octavia.
>why would I care about letting him genocide trolls?
Completionism?
Jubilost definitely has a few filthy savages zingers from I can remember
Ekun is one of the best party members
And he has a giga wolf for melee that becomes a monster at level 7 so you long as you cast some simple buffs on it
honestly valerie's boyishness is a turn on for me
Im replaying kingmaker with fembaron this time
can you ballbust tristian?
romance in Kingmaker dpeends on the imaginary points you get, and you get points with Tristian by being goody two shoes
oh well that sucks cause I was going for LE
>patricide
she killed her mother too, are we supposed to forget that?
Horgus killed her though
She didn't, her mother tried to kill her though
Desna restored her virginity.
Don't you know that wanting a virgin is heckin patriarchial male wish fulfillment chud?
I kind of look like Cam with the gender swap thing from FaceApp.
>That one retarded artfag who tried to justify taking Wendu as Angel Paladin
so fucking based
Did they hire Raimi as a writer?
Does Camellia even have a bodycount that isn't in the literal murder sense
Yes, she's a whore who likes fucking someone after killing.
She says she likes to fuck after a kill, so she is probably not virgin, but she has also been in a literal prison most of her life, with even bars to her windows, so the idea of her having a high bodycount is complete Ganker headcanon. Her being in your party is the first moment of freedom she has ever had in her life
>She can't fuck anyone while she lives with Horgus
>Also she can't fuck anyone during all the months she's with you in Drezen before you find out the truth
*huffs copium*
As I said, she's not a virgin, but saying she has x or y bodycount is completely headcanon
Why be disingenous?
She explicitly says she likes the feeling of dick inside her and that she has to have sex after rituals, so she's probably fucked a good bunch of hapless guys who thought they got lucky scoring a noble chick.
Bodycount wise the girls are probably: Arue >>> [SEVERAL THOUSAND KILOMETERS OF DICK] >>> Camcam > Wendu > Seelah > Galfrey = Ember = Nenio = Aivu
I'm not ready for the Yrlietfag mental gymnastics
THERE IS HOPE YET
They're literally just going to foreshadow it better. She'll still betray you like a retard and won't even trust you enough to talk, she'll still fall for a lie and will get your entire party captured and tortured
>she'll still fall for a lie
Well at least unlike wenduag you know she is merely retarded and not both retarded and selfish
jej
Chaotic Good Protag romancing Lawful Evil Girl is my favorite combo.
>Chaotic retard
>lawfulgoodvirgins
>"NOOOO I CAN'T ROMANCE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE EVIL AND THE LAWS OF THIS LAND PROCLAIMS I MUST KILL ALL THAT IS EVIL. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SELF IMPROVEMENT IN MY STRICT MORAL GUIDELINES!!!"
>ChaoticGoodChads
>"I can fix her."
>THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SELF IMPROVEMENT IN MY STRICT MORAL GUIDELINES
Sounds like LN, LG is a justicefag but believes in redemption, at least that's my take
Almost every Lawful Good dialog choice I have seen in Owlcat games has been... "Your crimes are too numerous for forgiveness!" (kill them)
There isn't even LG choices in wrath, just either L or G.
In kingmaker I am pretty sure it was only for irredeemable situations
Characters who think like that like valerie and ekun are marked as LN, while seelah who is a redemptionfag is marked as LG by the game.
Ekun is LG and Kingmaker's average LG dialogue option is indeed to resort to murder, that's why lawtards here love it so much
>Ekun is LG
Oh, forgot about that.
Doesn't change the fact that seelah is LG so it's obvious LG doesn't need to reject redemption
I'm just saying that in KM LG is the good murderhobo alignment
I played a LG run and it didn't seem to me that way. LN options were trigger happy for sure but LG options I remember being more balanced.
I just had an event with some random bandits offering to stop jumping travelers and become tax collectors and it was lawful evil to say "okay, you can join me but you gotta actually do the job" and lawful good to say "sorry no bandits" and kill them on the spot. Strangely, Valerie was unhappy with my choice to help them reintegrate into society.
They're not becoming tax collectors, they're doing the exact same shit they did before but this time they pay you
Like, if you make murder legal that won't suddenly make it good
I think you are too autistic to understand the context of that dialogue honestly.
>I don't like you, DIE!
Based, the opposite works too
>Immediate lawtard NPC response
>Tens
Camelia has been killing and fucking dead bodies since she was young. She's definitely got a massive bodycount.
Why does the sex lives of fictional characters matter so much to you?
I don't care that Cam and wenduag fuck anything that moves, I care that they are both fucking insane and interesting to have in the party as a result.
you're playing an RPG, those people are playing a dating sim
Well I care about that too, but I don't like whores that cheat on you
Do any of them cheat on you though?
I may be remembering it wrong but the only pathfinder character who still sleeps around after you start up with them is that half-orc from kingmaker I'm pretty sure.
Oh I wasn't talking about them, just saying that being a whore is also a bad thing
Part of their character retard-sama
>Why does the sex lives of fictional characters matter so much to you?
What are your thoughts on this?
>What are your thoughts on this?
Well, I also hope that there is no sorcerous heresy among their crew.
Almost a year and no one bothered to crop this stupid screenshot
Here, take it, stupid cunt
Thanks bro
>What's that? Characters changing over the course of the story, including the player character themselves, based on actions you can make? No I don't want that, if you start evil you stay evil and if you start good you stay good.
I can see why the people here would prefer video games to the actual tabletop
Japanese romance options be like
Could never finish this game because of the encounter bloat
I turned myself and my companions into gods and told Pharasma to go fuck herself even though I didn't really care for Areluu.
New big dick in town.
>Camellia
>has a fairly accurate/historical looking (albeit it's a fantasy setting anyway but still) swept-hilt rapier
>grabbing it the way such hilts were usually grabbed, with fingers on ricasso
idk about this game but clearly the best girl
Ocatviabros rise up, all five of us.
did ynorka use A.I for this? it looks so different compared to her other works
Feels like it, those proportions are completely busted.
imagine putting this shit on patreon and charging people for it. fucking disgusting.
It wasn't on patreon though. Also Ynorka actually knows how to draw, she just used AI as a crutch to make it look "better"
she has uncensored versions on patreon. paying for porn is bad enough, paying for a.i porn is even worse
Obviously yes, you can tell just by looking at it
>cope mod
>"Hey you're hot, wanna bang?"
>"Teehee no, I only have sex if it's a threesome with my friend."
>"Hot, who is your friend."
>A dirty male half-orc
I hope the woman who wrote this character dies alone.
Does intimidating prowess stack with dazzling display? The game giving it a thumbs down makes me think that it probably doesn't but the way it's worded makes it seem like it should. This is for Valerie, I'm trying to decide between this and shatter defenses which seems like the logical followup to dazzling display except that I pretty much always have her fighting defensively and missing everything so I don't feel like making people flatfooted for a round after both dazzling and hitting them will be relevant too often.
Yes it does and you need it for dreadful carnage and shatter defenses anyway
Make a new thread
Make me